| 00:01.40 | sivang | ieatlint: I made it work somehow, I had to create a new project, something is screwed in the twitter example project |
| 00:01.53 | sivang | ieatlint: I am thinking of killing the .pro file and starting fresh |
| 00:02.18 | sivang | there are quite soem rough spots with latest version of creator |
| 00:02.29 | sivang | need to report bug, reproduce |
| 00:03.34 | ieatlint | uh, kill the pro.user |
| 00:03.44 | ieatlint | but what that means is you just needed to add a new target |
| 00:04.19 | ieatlint | load proejct in qtcreator, click on projects tab, click on the + symbol at the top next to "Remote Compiler" (or similar) |
| 00:05.28 | sivang | ieatlint: I did that in that project, it only gave me to add "remote compiler" |
| 00:05.37 | sivang | ieatlint: so perhaps there's a bug there.. |
| 00:05.53 | sivang | ieatlint: because I just built an example harmattan qt comp prject and tested it on the N950 |
| 00:05.55 | ieatlint | did you have to fix your toolchain/qt4 lib entries? |
| 00:06.12 | sivang | ieatlint: no, I did a rebuild of the qml toolchain, or the "qml helpers" |
| 00:06.18 | sivang | well, no a rebuild, they were not built |
| 00:06.22 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 00:06.26 | sivang | but entries said "not needed". |
| 00:06.28 | ieatlint | whatever, if you have it working, congrats |
| 00:06.48 | sivang | brokenTexSubImage <- what's that? |
| 00:07.04 | sivang | MeegoGraphics ? :) |
| 00:07.13 | sivang | lols at the console output |
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| 00:09.40 | sivang | ieatlint: killed the .user file |
| 00:09.59 | sivang | ieatlint: retrying, although the qmlproject files holds nothing but obvious things like including . and friends |
| 00:11.15 | sivang | thinks this is an artifact of shado building or something |
| 00:11.51 | ieatlint | wait, it's a .qmlproj? |
| 00:12.00 | ieatlint | because that's not deployable.. |
| 00:12.17 | sivang | yep and only that, in the Examples/4.7/Demos/Declerative/twitter there's the rest of stuff |
| 00:12.28 | sivang | e.g. not just the qmlproject file |
| 00:13.06 | sivang | so i killled the .user file, reopened the project same issue |
| 00:13.31 | ieatlint | it doesn't list anything but remote compiler when you open the .pro? |
| 00:14.50 | sivang | ieatlint: yes |
| 00:15.00 | sivang | ieatlint: and it happens with other several projects as well |
| 00:15.09 | ieatlint | and just to confirm, you're opening a .pro and not a .qmlproject file? |
| 00:15.20 | sivang | that is what I seem to be doing |
| 00:15.24 | sivang | makes sure |
| 00:16.54 | sivang | ieatlint: hmm, no seems I opened jsut a qmlproject |
| 00:17.06 | sivang | ieatlint: odd, I opened it from the Demos from the welcome screen |
| 00:18.37 | sivang | I'ms tarting to get the picutre |
| 00:18.40 | ieatlint | yeah, the demos are rather poorly maintained, which is kinda ironic |
| 00:19.02 | sivang | I must submit bugs, there are some low hanging fruits for me when open gov is launched :) |
| 00:19.27 | sivang | ieatlint: so there's a pro file, a proper one, but only in the demos under the qt dir |
| 00:19.36 | sivang | ieatlint: now I see that the welcome screen takes its demos from another demo dir |
| 00:19.42 | sivang | is this shadow building? |
| 00:19.51 | ieatlint | unlikely |
| 00:19.52 | sivang | ieatlint: there, there's only one pro for *all* of the demos |
| 00:20.05 | ieatlint | kinda |
| 00:20.18 | ieatlint | the main one is a subdirs type |
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| 00:20.29 | sivang | ieatlint: you mean, a qml type? |
| 00:20.36 | ieatlint | and there are project files for each sub project, which can be loaded independently most of the time |
| 00:20.44 | sivang | ieatlint: exactly |
| 00:20.48 | ieatlint | but as i recall, for some, a parent project file sets include paths and similar |
| 00:20.55 | sivang | ieatlint: this was not the case a couple of updates ago |
| 00:21.06 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 00:21.22 | sivang | ieatlint: e.g. declerative demos were taken straight from the qt distro dir |
| 00:21.28 | sivang | and not copied out |
| 00:22.02 | ieatlint | i still love how many use "import Qt 4.7" |
| 00:23.36 | sivang | ieatlint: instead of QtQuick 1.0? |
| 00:23.56 | ieatlint | qtquick of any version, yeah |
| 00:24.01 | sivang | or wait, the Qt namespace is now built in or are these unrelated? |
| 00:24.46 | sivang | ieatlint: I'm not complaining, this is still amoving target |
| 00:24.59 | sivang | ieatlint: plus it is much more than I ever got for an SDK from any other company, for free :) |
| 00:25.13 | sivang | oh, and I do not need to sue Eclipse |
| 00:25.17 | sivang | :-p |
| 00:26.39 | ieatlint | yeah, well, use it enough and you'll get this special hatred of it all |
| 00:28.14 | sivang | I won't, I came from Delphi, VB, Eclipse, gedit vim and some very bad IDEs attempted for Python (excluding Komodo) , I love the creator for waht it lets you do |
| 00:28.19 | sivang | gps simulations rock |
| 00:28.43 | sivang | but the demos/examples thingo needs fixing, |
| 00:28.47 | sivang | for sure. |
| 00:29.18 | sivang | ieatlint: also, it is best to let a newb install and start playing with c++ on his new linux box without having to worry about deps etc |
| 00:34.02 | ieatlint | yeah... |
| 00:34.21 | ieatlint | but the whole thing seems a tad hacked together at times |
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| 00:42.41 | sivang | ieatlint: I fixed it, just copied the original demo (that's is ready with the qmlviewer) to a new fresh dir and playgroudn there |
| 00:43.10 | sivang | ieatlint: since those examples do not require C++ , they made them ready for the qmlviewer in built into creator |
| 00:43.43 | sivang | thinks of asking to have voth options, deployable and just qml |
| 00:43.48 | sivang | in a feature/ bug request |
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| 05:00.44 | iekku | morning |
| 05:15.30 | dm8tbr | mrng |
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| 06:04.31 | kirma | is there a way/application to enable automatic updates of location in availability for n9? it worked on n900, but apparently not in n9 (?) |
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| 06:05.55 | dm8tbr | availability? |
| 06:06.49 | dm8tbr | ay you mean in that drop-down? doesn't that have a location tickbox? |
| 06:09.53 | kirma | it has a location tick-box, but it also has "update" button |
| 06:10.14 | kirma | maybe it was just lazy and I concluded that it's not automatic update |
| 06:10.25 | kirma | but when I untick the box, the update button is still available |
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| 06:23.44 | dm8tbr | that might be because of the free text field right above it? |
| 06:24.38 | dm8tbr | also for added fun tap the 'add location' text _itself_ (not the tick-box) |
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| 06:29.33 | kirma | dm8tbr: is this in line with UX guidelines? I wouldn't have ever figured out that the resolution of location would be selectable by tapping *that* |
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| 06:30.52 | Stskeeps | w00t |
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| 06:30.54 | Stskeeps | er :P |
| 06:31.45 | w00t | eyes Stskeeps |
| 06:31.53 | Stskeeps | yes, i forgot the /g |
| 06:33.50 | dm8tbr | kirma: yah, bit weird, found it by accident, lost it for a couple of weeks, wondered where the f* it was, found it by accident... |
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| 07:55.21 | thp | is there a variable in QML that tells me if I'm currently in portrait or landscape mode? |
| 07:56.21 | thp | (apart from comparing width and height of the current page, that is) |
| 07:57.38 | ieatlint | yes |
| 07:58.06 | thp | and where is is/how is it called? can't find anything in {PageStackWindow,Page,PageStack,platformWindow} |
| 07:58.34 | ieatlint | trying to find it again, one sec |
| 07:58.58 | ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Application_development_framework/Application_lifecycle_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK is not what you want, but distantly related and also semi-difficult to find |
| 07:59.31 | ieatlint | ah, here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Controlling_rotation.html |
| 08:00.17 | ieatlint | note the "screen.currentOrientation == Screen.Portrait" example code |
| 08:00.36 | thp | ieatlint: thanks a lot :) |
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| 08:01.56 | ieatlint | also, PageStackWindow has the signals onOrientationChangeAboutToStart, Finished and Started |
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| 08:04.50 | ieatlint | PageStackWindow also inherits Window which has the boolean read-only value inPortrait (eg, in PageStackWindow onOrientationChangeFinished: { if( inPortrait ) console.log( "Portrait" ) else console.log( "Landscape" ) } |
| 08:05.05 | thp | oh, just saw that - thanks. pagestackwindow inherits from window |
| 08:05.07 | ameng | hi , does n9 have a developer community? |
| 08:05.31 | ieatlint | no, we shun n9 developers and encourage them to adopt apple products |
| 08:06.04 | matrixx | hehe |
| 08:06.07 | ameng | =-O |
| 08:06.11 | matrixx | ameng: welcome :) |
| 08:06.57 | mece | ieatlint, LOL |
| 08:07.06 | ameng | I just got a n9. it is so sad if there is no developer community for it.. |
| 08:07.18 | matrixx | ameng: there is, ieatlint is just kidding :P |
| 08:07.20 | matrixx | us :) |
| 08:07.24 | ieatlint | have you tried a nice iphone? there's a new one out |
| 08:07.53 | mece | ieatlint, sometimes sarcasm doesn't translate over text and language barriers... |
| 08:07.53 | ameng | matrixx:could you please point me to the link? |
| 08:07.55 | matrixx | ieatlint: stop trolling at this second! :P |
| 08:08.02 | ieatlint | fine. :P |
| 08:08.14 | thp | ameng: maemo.org and meego.com, depending on who you ask |
| 08:08.25 | thp | ameng: also, developer.nokia.com has some resources |
| 08:08.42 | ieatlint | harmattan-dev.nokia.com is better actually |
| 08:08.43 | thp | (..on whom you ask..?) |
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| 08:09.17 | thp | yes, harmattan-dev.n.c is also important as a resource, but it's not really a community |
| 08:09.21 | ieatlint | on who is correct i believe |
| 08:09.22 | mece | ameng, both ^^ work, meego.com is more developers and maemo.org is more users and trolls. Both can be helpful :) |
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| 08:09.50 | matrixx | I like irc and mailing lists more over forums |
| 08:10.15 | mece | ameng, meego.com has the most up-to-date technical discussions, and the mailinglists you want are there too. |
| 08:10.49 | ameng | thanks. will try them :) |
| 08:11.07 | mece | ameng, also check out the future home of the open source apps: http://apps.formeego.com |
| 08:13.33 | ieatlint | i'm almost at release version 1 of my application for the n9/50, woo |
| 08:13.56 | matrixx | ieatlint: congrats |
| 08:14.19 | ieatlint | yeah, an application that's only useful in north america |
| 08:14.22 | ieatlint | and only specific cities |
| 08:14.46 | ieatlint | a bus tracker |
| 08:15.08 | matrixx | wow, I wish we could have a good app for that in Finland |
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| 08:16.25 | ieatlint | well, i had the advantage of a company here in the US that contracts out to transit agencies to provide live vehicle tracking |
| 08:16.39 | ieatlint | they put a gps transponder on each vehicle that reports its location every ~30s |
| 08:16.45 | ieatlint | and an open api |
| 08:16.51 | special | ieatlint: which cities? |
| 08:16.59 | ieatlint | covers many cities in the US and a couple in canada |
| 08:17.29 | ieatlint | special: i don't have a number to hand out... any city that uses nextbus can theoretically work |
| 08:17.29 | matrixx | ieatlint: I think we have similar system, but no open api yet |
| 08:18.03 | ieatlint | my target has been where i live, which is san francisco, oakland and oakland's surrounding cities |
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| 08:18.31 | ieatlint | but it supports boston, and montreal i believe, and somewhere between 15 and 70 additional |
| 08:18.44 | special | ah, damn, not for me |
| 08:18.49 | ieatlint | theoretically any on this list http://www.nextbus.com/wireless/miniRegion.shtml |
| 08:19.28 | ieatlint | my aim will be to support them all, but it's up to the local agency to let it be an open api, and only about 20% of them have -- the other 80% have an api, but you have to skirt a TOS in order to use it |
| 08:21.01 | ieatlint | if you happen to be in a city that has an open api, i can easily give you a build that will work. my only hangup right now is that switching between agencies doesn't work without a reboot, which i'll have fixed soon |
| 08:21.41 | special | mine has been promising an API for awhile now, they haven't pulled it off yet |
| 08:21.55 | ieatlint | where's that? |
| 08:22.01 | special | salt lake city, utah |
| 08:22.13 | ieatlint | ah, the sober state |
| 08:22.17 | special | haha |
| 08:22.27 | ieatlint | nope, looks like no support there :P |
| 08:22.27 | special | that's why I don't just say "utah". |
| 08:22.41 | ieatlint | fair enough, SLC is its own thing |
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| 08:25.24 | snowpong | Anyone know which field Nokia Store reads the "Version (read-only)" part from a .deb package? If I do dpkg-deb -I I get version: 1.1.1, but Nokia claism it's 1.1.0 - and the only place I mention 1.1.0 is in the changelog |
| 08:25.46 | snowpong | s/claism/claims/g |
| 08:26.29 | special | is 1.1.0 the latest valid entry in the changelog? |
| 08:26.50 | matrixx | snowpong: at least for me it took very long time before it really updated the package version |
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| 08:27.03 | matrixx | like a few days |
| 08:27.41 | matrixx | that happened when I updated existing package.. not with new package |
| 08:27.52 | snowpong | matrixx: aha, so it's lying - I did read something about "Version number will be updated once submitted to QA" |
| 08:28.10 | snowpong | matrixx: ok, this is an update though |
| 08:28.25 | snowpong | special: no, the latest entry is 1.1.1 |
| 08:28.29 | matrixx | I'm not sure if there's something happening only manually, or where's the lag, but anyway it might take a while |
| 08:29.16 | special | I've had issues before on standard debian with slightly malformed changelog entries; but the nokia store being slow sounds a lot more likely. |
| 08:29.18 | snowpong | special: to be precise, the topmost entry is 1.1.1 and below that it's 1.1.0 |
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| 08:33.07 | snowpong | matrixx: ok |
| 08:33.53 | snowpong | special: I do see a missing extra newline that might be a problem in the changelog, but then the changelog parser or whatever it is is really poor :| |
| 08:34.12 | snowpong | anyone know how to print out the changelog of a deb? |
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| 08:34.23 | special | I think my problem was caused by not having enough spaces preceding the text of the changelog |
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| 08:36.05 | snowpong | special: and how did the problem manifest itself? I mean the .deb installs, and in the "manage applications" list it's listed with the right version |
| 08:36.10 | matrixx | of course it is possible that my changelog entry was faulty and someone corrected the info manually a few days later :P |
| 08:36.55 | matrixx | but also it was read perfectly fine in "manage applications" as well :) |
| 08:37.26 | special | this was awhile ago, and not on harmattan. I believe in that case it generated the package with the wrong version entirely. |
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| 09:46.55 | Kleggas | anyone else having n9 and noticed we are "blocked out" from operations even in root? like any promiscuous network scanning (nmap or homewritten code etc) which I can understand as you shouldn't do that kinda stuff, but even running nasm (installed maemo freemantle 1.3 deb file). Probably more things? |
| 09:47.57 | dm8tbr | no shit sherlock |
| 09:48.06 | Kleggas | :) |
| 09:48.11 | Kleggas | so its not just me then :p |
| 09:48.12 | Hq` | yes it's well known that aegis won't let you do stuff |
| 09:48.16 | dm8tbr | ~aegis |
| 09:48.16 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 09:48.56 | dm8tbr | Kleggas: generally you don't want to run stuff as root, rather as user |
| 09:49.59 | Kleggas | well, didn't test nasm in user as I sshed into as root. but one would think I wont be able to run nasm anyway even as user :) |
| 09:50.04 | Kleggas | but havent tried |
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| 09:52.47 | Kleggas | perfect, nasm runs in user mode. thanks, as usual it was so simple :p |
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| 10:22.56 | sixtus42 | Hi, I am still stuck with /tmp being to small and root unable to move it away or resize it. Anybody got an idea how to do that? The app I am trying to run ignores $TMPDIR :-/ |
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| 10:34.43 | djszapi | Hi! Is it possible to get the call duration somehow on Harmattan ? |
| 10:34.51 | Stskeeps | libcommhistory? |
| 10:34.53 | Stskeeps | perhaps |
| 10:35.10 | djszapi | I am primarily interested in Ui interface like on any other old phones. |
| 10:36.09 | djszapi | ahh found, long tap on the dedicated call. |
| 10:36.14 | djszapi | and there is something in the menu |
| 10:38.58 | djszapi | how intuitive workflow ... that is another question. |
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| 10:47.32 | sixtus42 | djszapi: hi! any new idea on my /tmp problem? |
| 10:47.46 | djszapi | sorry, no. |
| 10:47.51 | djszapi | I am terribly busy with everything |
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| 11:25.21 | djszapi | sixtus42: I will get back to you at some point in the upcoming days. Currently busy with abstracts for the meego conference.. |
| 11:25.37 | djszapi | fruct conference* |
| 11:25.41 | neal | what meego conference? |
| 11:25.42 | dm8tbr | there is still going to be any public event about meego? |
| 11:26.00 | macmaN | SpeedEvil: what is the issue with microsim adapters vs n950 |
| 11:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | don't use them |
| 11:26.58 | dm8tbr | unless you feel like replacing a SMT sim holder yourself :) |
| 11:27.42 | macmaN | ok. just wondering, actually was thinking about using an adapter to fit microsim into an older nokia |
| 11:28.11 | macmaN | *gasp*.. Symbian FP1 device |
| 11:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | all slot-in holders are problematic with adapters |
| 11:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | similar to "don't use mini-CD in slot-in CD drives" |
| 11:30.07 | macmaN | mhm kthx |
| 11:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | in case of sim hooldes the contact springs lock to any hole or edge on the SIM's surface |
| 11:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | to remove you need to insert a *thin* but rigid plastic latch above contact surface of SIM, to unlock the contact springs |
| 11:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | you usually don't want to do that even once |
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| 11:43.58 | djszapi | sixtus42: you are hardcoding "/tmp" in your program ? Could you please use TMPVAR in your program, getting it by "getenv" for instance because tmp basically points there by default. |
| 11:44.27 | djszapi | and /var/tmp is laid down on root fs, so you would have that 2.1 GB free space. |
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| 11:54.32 | merlin__ | is there any way to paste into the term on the device? |
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| 11:57.59 | dm8tbr | merlin__: I'm also for C&P support. I hear the author accepts patches and the source is public. |
| 11:58.23 | mpr | so how do I install native gcc etc. on n9 without compiling everything myself, is there an apt repository similar to maemo extras-devel? |
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| 12:09.23 | kimju | https://gitorious.org/meego-terminal/meego-terminal/commits/master |
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| 12:35.53 | djszapi | mpr: use the official nokia repository |
| 12:36.06 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gcc-4.4/ |
| 12:36.29 | mpr | ah |
| 12:36.31 | mpr | thanks |
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| 13:02.25 | mpr | that tries to pull libgmp3c2 from downloads.maemo.nokia.com which returns 404 :/ |
| 13:02.38 | mpr | it does get binutils from the same address with no problems |
| 13:03.30 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/g/gmp/ |
| 13:03.51 | djszapi | faenil: o/ |
| 13:04.01 | faenil | hey djszapi :) |
| 13:04.14 | faenil | trying to implement ray picking, got some free time? :D |
| 13:04.47 | djszapi | actually busier than ever :) |
| 13:04.52 | faenil | ok ;) |
| 13:05.03 | mpr | wonder why it tries to use downloads.maemo.nokia.com for that one, should I disable the sources in aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list? |
| 13:05.23 | djszapi | mpr: no you should have both |
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| 13:05.58 | djszapi | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free |
| 13:06.08 | mpr | yeah, I have that |
| 13:07.06 | djszapi | should work oob. |
| 13:07.23 | djszapi | could you please the output failing ? |
| 13:07.32 | djszapi | pasye* |
| 13:07.34 | djszapi | that... |
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| 13:08.48 | mpr | http://pastebin.com/NQqhVqw9 |
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| 13:14.21 | djszapi | mpr: apt-cache policy for the relevant package, please ? |
| 13:15.55 | mpr | http://pastebin.com/zsNd9Pp6 |
| 13:16.18 | djszapi | see ? |
| 13:16.59 | mpr | yeah, but I guess something is out of sync in downloads.maemo.nokia.com if it finds that but the actual file is missing? |
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| 13:26.19 | mpr | but yeah, looking at harmattan-dev first solves the problem |
| 13:26.38 | djszapi | mpr: have you made an apt-get update ? If yes, the repo might be kinda broken. |
| 13:27.01 | mpr | yes I have, wouldn't see the harmattan-dev stuff at all otherwise :) |
| 13:27.13 | djszapi | yes, you would. |
| 13:27.23 | mpr | oh? |
| 13:27.28 | djszapi | but I try to report it to the SDK team leader tomorrow then, if you tried. |
| 13:27.31 | mpr | well have done it anyway |
| 13:27.37 | mpr | ok, thanks |
| 13:30.50 | djszapi | aheinecke: so you do not need me to manage your ho(s)tel for the KDE Harmattan sprint, you will manage it yourself ? |
| 13:31.37 | djszapi | because I will make the grouping for the whole group in one hostel, and I think it is better if we live together there. :) |
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| 14:30.19 | RST38h | Moo, ladies and gentlemen |
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| 14:32.20 | RST38h | moo, rm_you |
| 14:32.24 | rm_work | moo RST38h |
| 14:32.25 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 14:32.32 | RST38h | is back home |
| 14:32.36 | rm_work | moo javispedro |
| 14:32.55 | rm_work | RST38h: everything still working alright with packrat / updating your packages? |
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| 14:44.02 | futbolsalas15 | hello, can someone help me to make a webconference about meego? I'm from Bogota, Colombia and at my university we will develop an Mobile OS Conference |
| 14:44.52 | futbolsalas15 | i request help on #meego, but answer me that meego is dead |
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| 14:48.38 | RST38h | rm_work: Frankly, have not checked for 2 weeks |
| 14:49.12 | RST38h | rm_work: Been in the States, away from N950.Last thing I know, someone from Ovi wrote that my packages do not start *directly* from Ovi Store, promised to investigate this week |
| 14:49.30 | RST38h | rm_work: But this, of course, has nothing to do with the repo ;) |
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| 14:58.42 | rm_work | lol yes |
| 14:58.47 | rm_work | have fun in the states? |
| 14:58.48 | rm_work | :P |
| 14:59.35 | RST38h | rm_work: yeah checked the touch screen precision on all the android phones in AT&T store! =) |
| 14:59.54 | RST38h | rm_work: with some surprising results BTW |
| 15:00.51 | RST38h | rm_work: every 4.3" Samsung device sucks moose balls at one-handed virt keyboard input |
| 15:01.00 | RST38h | rm_work: 4.5" Samsung is better |
| 15:01.33 | RST38h | rm_work: But if you really want to be able to type a calee name, one handed, get an HTC (no matter, WP7 or Android). |
| 15:02.09 | RST38h | Because Sammy if failing so miserably, it is not even funny any more. Although they all look the same. |
| 15:04.14 | RST38h | javispedro: I think they are trying to avoid fixing Ovi Store. |
| 15:21.10 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:26.14 | Velmont | Anyone know how to sync the old Android phone contacts from Google to Nokia N9? -- it did only import my GTalk-people right now. It got almost no phone information at all (even my girlfriend, only her jabber address, not phone no.) |
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| 15:51.29 | kkito | Velmont: create a mail for exchange account with your gmail credentials. It will import google contacts, calendar and mail |
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| 15:56.54 | Velmont | kkito: Ok. Cool. -- Do I have to do anything special on the gmail-side? |
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| 16:25.07 | lardman | oh I really do hate QML anchors |
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| 16:26.30 | lardman | one little apparently innocuous change and the whole thing is screwed |
| 16:27.00 | lardman | wonders if it's possible to get the layout decision tree from the QML runtime to find out what particular anchor/size is knackering things? |
| 16:29.00 | RST38h | lardman: Madde is supposed to come with a QML debugger, no? |
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| 16:29.32 | lardman | RST38h: dunno, am using Linux to develop here |
| 16:29.42 | lardman | but I'll tale a look |
| 16:29.44 | lardman | take |
| 16:30.14 | lardman | has been soldering all afternoon and can still smell solder flux, makes him think something is on fire in his kitchen |
| 16:31.51 | RST38h | lardman: Should run under Linux (known as QtSDK) |
| 16:32.01 | RST38h | lardman: did not runfor me underWindoze though |
| 16:32.47 | lardman | oh is that MADDE too, I thought that was the Windows version |
| 16:33.34 | RST38h | lardman: QtSDK appears to be just anothernamefor madde |
| 16:33.39 | lardman | ah ok |
| 16:33.51 | RST38h | lardman: and "platform sdk" isapseudonim for "scratchbox" :) |
| 16:34.14 | lardman | :) |
| 16:35.03 | lardman | well at least I now have something that stays on the screen and doesn't wander off the screen when I repeatedly change orientation - no clue why there's a slight offset mind you |
| 16:39.31 | lardman | anyone know how I can remove an anchor? For example when I rotate, some of the portrait anchors mess up my layout in landscape, and then when I rotate back it's even worse |
| 16:40.22 | lardman | tried None on the off chance |
| 16:40.27 | lardman | s/d/s |
| 16:42.15 | lardman | nope |
| 16:43.31 | lardman | By way of an example, I have an Item {} which has a fixed size (100,100), which I set in each state (it would change normally). This contains a yellow rectangle with anchors.fill: parent set |
| 16:43.47 | lardman | therefore my feeling is that I should always end up with a yellow rectangle 100x100 |
| 16:44.17 | lardman | but when I rotate the screen, the rectangle becomes rectangular, 100 high and across the entire screen |
| 16:44.38 | lardman | I can't understand how this can happen when I explicitly set the size of its parent in each state |
| 16:44.43 | RST38h | lardman: Have you considered not using anchors? |
| 16:45.09 | lardman | RST38h: using explicit x and y coords instead? |
| 16:45.15 | RST38h | lardman: filling parent rectangles instead |
| 16:45.29 | RST38h | well, I guess it still uses anchors but not directly |
| 16:46.07 | lardman | well I need to change the screen layout depending on the orientation of the device, and for this simple page have a video widget with another Item containing a pair of buttons to perform functions |
| 16:46.20 | frals | so err, coming back to what i was asking yesterday.. running a process requiring tracker access under gdb on device, anyone got any hints? |
| 16:46.31 | lardman | so I basically need to move the buttons to either one side or below the video widget |
| 16:46.51 | RST38h | ah, so you need a complete layout switch |
| 16:47.19 | lardman | RST38h: it should be very simple, and I've no clue why it won't work, the code (I expect to need to use) is actually very simple |
| 16:48.12 | lardman | but adding anchors seems to change the size of my Item {}, which they screws things up. But my understanding was that anchors have a length of chain with them, so they don't stretch the objects they are anchoring |
| 16:48.33 | lardman | but perhaps I completely misunderstand.... |
| 16:48.42 | lardman | Anyway is enough to make one give up |
| 16:48.51 | frals | if you anchor something left and right its going to change the width of the item |
| 16:49.04 | lardman | frals: why? |
| 16:49.04 | tomma | well if you have item with fixed size and then anchor it for example windows left and right... then it will resize |
| 16:49.05 | Corsac | hmhmhm, 650⬠for expansys n9/64g, *nice* |
| 16:49.21 | lardman | frals, tomma, hmm, I see |
| 16:49.23 | frals | lardman: because its going to occupy the whole size between the left and the right anchor |
| 16:49.53 | frals | lardman: anchor to one side only or use anchors.horizontalCenter or similar |
| 16:50.27 | frals | lardman: as for the why... no clue, thats how it works, and makes sense to me :) |
| 16:50.44 | lardman | frals: what if I need two rectangles one above the other, horizontally centred and spaced proportionally to the space between them and the edges? |
| 16:50.45 | RST38h | lardman: I have found that QML does not always recompute layout properly when rotating |
| 16:51.01 | lardman | I thought that's what an anchor would do, let things drift between anchored points |
| 16:51.04 | RST38h | lardman: No idea why, but it might be the reason |
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| 16:51.46 | lardman | RST38h: yeah that is a problem, some anchors are not wanted in certain orientations, so how can I disable them? |
| 16:52.17 | lardman | e.g. in a landscape layout I need to disable the horizontalCenter anchor, but am not sure how to do that. Any ideas? |
| 16:52.35 | gri | lardman, states and AnchorChanges |
| 16:52.55 | frals | lardman: could you draw me a picture? been a long day :D |
| 16:53.17 | lardman | gri: does AnchorChanges do something specific then? I was trying to work out why it was even a keyword when PropertyChanges seems to do the same thing |
| 16:53.41 | gri | lardman, PropertyChanges can't change anchors |
| 16:53.50 | lardman | gri: yes it can |
| 16:53.55 | lardman | or at least it does so |
| 16:53.55 | frals | anchors.left: undefined |
| 16:54.04 | lardman | frals: cool, thanks |
| 16:54.20 | gri | in QtQuick 1.0 it was not able, maybe it works in 1.1 :) |
| 16:54.32 | frals | im not sure if it works, but supposedely it should. i remember having some difficulties with it a few weeks back |
| 16:55.03 | lardman | gri: if AnchorChanges resets all anchors but for those mentioned that would be a reason for having it, otherwise I was just changing anchors in PropertyChanges as I also need to alter the width & height |
| 16:58.41 | lardman | hmm, perhaps it does do something differently, certainly my layout is slightly different |
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| 17:04.49 | gri | lardman, http://pastebin.com/JJKQQteH |
| 17:05.09 | gri | I just tried ? using PropertyChanges it does output warnings, using anchorchanges it does what I want |
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| 17:07.06 | lardman | gri: certainly the behaviour is different, which is a little odd, I'll see if I can fix it with AnchorChanges. |
| 17:07.28 | lardman | Anyone know who I should actually ask whether/what the difference is between AnchorChanges and PropertyChanges? |
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| 17:09.52 | frals | id guess #qt-qml |
| 17:10.27 | lardman | onto other weirdness: I have two buttons stacked one atop the other in a Rectangle, the buttons are sized in the states, the rectangle is set to childrenRect.width etc, but is less wide than the buttons |
| 17:10.32 | lardman | thanks frals |
| 17:11.08 | gri | lardman, If you have margins, those are substracted from width |
| 17:11.22 | lardman | no margins |
| 17:12.07 | frals | lardman: may we see the code? :) |
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| 17:12.41 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/hJ3kVsN2 |
| 17:12.44 | lardman | of course, sorry |
| 17:13.01 | lardman | that's the snippet in question, I'll pastebin the whole lot if you want |
| 17:13.31 | frals | lardman: the states part would be nice as well |
| 17:13.46 | lardman | sure, hang on a tick |
| 17:14.13 | lardman | http://pastebin.com/k5hnV3iF |
| 17:14.46 | lardman | lots of Rectangles in place of Items so I can see what on Earth is going on ;) |
| 17:19.26 | gri | lardman, Why not create a Column {} for the Buttons and fill the rectangle with it? |
| 17:19.58 | gri | I read somewhere we should prevent ourselves from setting width and height if possible (don't remember where) |
| 17:20.50 | lardman | gri: a Column was my first choice, but I was also going to alter the arrangement of the buttons - side by side in landscape view |
| 17:21.08 | tomma | Row then |
| 17:21.20 | frals | lardman: you are setting the width for the rectangle |
| 17:21.27 | frals | lardman: so its not childrenRect.width anymore |
| 17:21.29 | lardman | yeah but they need to be in a row for landscape and a column for portrait, not sure I can switch between the two... |
| 17:21.30 | tomma | button group |
| 17:21.42 | frals | lardman: line 96 |
| 17:22.00 | lardman | frals: but why not, it's not updated after state property changes? |
| 17:22.24 | frals | lardman: if you set it to 250 its always going to be 250 until you change it to childrenRect.width again |
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| 17:23.16 | lardman | ah I see |
| 17:23.27 | lardman | I'll need to check and see what the buttons do |
| 17:23.49 | lardman | that was a left over from the more complex code I originally wrote, and have been paring back since nothing would work |
| 17:24.00 | frals | lardman: or let me rephrase, it will change depending on the propertychange you have in the state, if its not defined it will take initial expression i assume |
| 17:24.14 | lardman | tomma: I'll check that out, thanks |
| 17:25.23 | frals | lardman: http://pastebin.com/D0w3dGUv seems to workish here |
| 17:25.49 | lardman | thanks frals |
| 17:26.00 | lardman | tomma: re buttongroup, any docs on that anywhere? |
| 17:26.26 | frals | lardman: np |
| 17:27.14 | tomma | lardman, seems like there is only ButtonColumn and ButtonRow... they have helper functions in ButtonGroup.js |
| 17:27.33 | lardman | realises why he hates uis now, 2 days spent bashing head against kb when I could have been doing something algorithmically useful |
| 17:27.35 | lardman | thanks tomma |
| 17:28.51 | gri | anyone else here has crazy flickering when starting QMLviewer.app on osx (Qt 4.7.4 and Lion)? |
| 17:32.40 | thp | gri: nope - try the "-graphicssystem" switch, maybe it makes a difference |
| 17:33.24 | gri | thp, raster seems to be the normal one - flickers. OpenGL displays some weird buffer contents :) |
| 17:39.43 | thp | gri: did you try "native" too> |
| 17:39.47 | thp | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.28 | gri | thp, no and this actually doesn't flicker, wow :) |
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| 17:56.04 | lardman | if nothing else now debugging qml code using Rectangles in primary colours is a far more pleasant experience than staring at error messages :) |
| 17:56.49 | RST38h | heh |
| 17:56.57 | RST38h | yohoo, wazd |
| 17:57.33 | wazd | RST38h: woo :) |
| 17:59.19 | mpr | I wonder how hard it would be to configure the default terminal so that it retains focus when the virtual keyboard is hidden |
| 17:59.34 | mpr | so that you could use the full screen when using an external bt keyboard |
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| 18:01.38 | mpr | is it something terminal-specific or would you need to dig the internals of the whole window management |
| 18:03.05 | lardman | how do you hide the vkb in the term? |
| 18:03.15 | mpr | slide it down |
| 18:03.20 | lardman | ah |
| 18:04.13 | lardman | happens with e.g. Messages too, so perhaps it could be changed in the vkb implementation so that it remembers which is the current app when it appears |
| 18:04.19 | dm8tbr | mpr: does bt kbd work for you if vkb is showing? |
| 18:04.26 | mpr | yes |
| 18:04.35 | dm8tbr | ... interesting |
| 18:04.51 | lardman | wonders where his BT kb has been hidden |
| 18:04.58 | mpr | you can also see from the terminal cursor that it loses focus when you hide the vkb |
| 18:05.54 | dm8tbr | when I recently tried bt-kbd it would only work if I flipped out the hardware keyboard (and thus hid the vkb) |
| 18:08.53 | mpr | yeah, probably different on devices with an actual hw keyboard, I'm on n9 |
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| 18:10.24 | dm8tbr | ah |
| 18:10.32 | dm8tbr | well good to know |
| 18:11.00 | dm8tbr | mpr: does it work in other apps or do they also loose the cursor/focus if you hide the vkb? |
| 18:12.46 | mpr | in messages it pops the vkb up whenever you type anything on the bt kb :) |
| 18:13.06 | dm8tbr | meh |
| 18:13.42 | dm8tbr | would be nice if bt-kbd would create an 'hw kbd' like event |
| 18:14.19 | dm8tbr | (there would be probably some bugs like autocapitalization etc, but I'd be happy to live with them) |
| 18:16.50 | mpr | actually in the actual new message view it just loses focus and doesn't respond to bt kb if vkb is hidden, same as in terminal |
| 18:17.16 | mpr | the popping-up happened only when focus was on some one-line input fields |
| 18:22.17 | dm8tbr | mhm |
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| 18:25.20 | gri | ~seen spenap |
| 18:25.34 | infobot | spenap <spena@nat/nokia/x-fkiqictlqjfiesjt> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 4d 5h 8m 2s ago, saying: '~seen ab'. |
| 18:25.34 | gri | hmm |
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| 18:57.40 | aurynn | Hey. So, to recap: Got an N9, which is now asking for a re-flash. Can't find OS images anywhere. What now? |
| 18:57.51 | javispedro | you wait =) |
| 18:58.18 | aurynn | Ah-hah. :) So, I'm basically screwed right now. |
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| 19:00.45 | aurynn | Well, at least I know |
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| 19:01.33 | doomdog | ~moo |
| 19:01.33 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 19:01.48 | aurynn | and I look good on the bbq... |
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| 19:21.33 | fiferboy | Is there anyway to load pre-existing thumbnails from tracker in QML? |
| 19:21.52 | gri | those for contacts, yes |
| 19:22.34 | gri | or what exactly is pre-existing? |
| 19:26.47 | fiferboy | Camera thumbnails in particular |
| 19:27.13 | fiferboy | QGalleryQueryModel is an easy way to get them, but I have to generate my own thumbnails that way |
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| 20:15.17 | pinheiro | humm any one knows the name for the msn protocol |
| 20:15.38 | pinheiro | msn telapathy |
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| 20:24.52 | fiferboy | pinheiro: telepathy-pecan I believe |
| 20:25.10 | fiferboy | Or telepathy-msn-pecan |
| 20:38.39 | pinheiro | fiferboy: hummm |
| 20:40.08 | pinheiro | mc-tool add msn/pecan? |
| 20:42.34 | dm8tbr | doesn't have such problems. just unified all IM protocols into one XMPP account by using transports |
| 20:43.43 | pinheiro | gabble/jabber =jabber |
| 20:48.51 | frals | pinheiro: where did you find the plugin? |
| 20:49.15 | pinheiro | i didnt |
| 20:49.20 | pinheiro | for msn at least |
| 20:49.28 | pinheiro | jabber working fine |
| 20:49.32 | pinheiro | skype 2 |
| 20:49.48 | pinheiro | wondering if i can get msn aswell |
| 20:50.12 | frals | well you would need to install the telepathy plugin for it first |
| 20:50.39 | pinheiro | butterfly? |
| 20:50.51 | pinheiro | or haze? |
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| 20:57.33 | piggz | lo, does anyone know what formats work with qsoundeffect? im having trouble with wav, ogg and mp3!! |
| 20:57.35 | Lilltiger | Do anyone know if there is a working version of XBMC (not remote) for Harmattan (Nokia N9) |
| 21:03.34 | SpeedEvil | wonders about flash on n9. |
| 21:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, you notice that Harmattan is just completely useless for anything involving the web |
| 21:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | No flash, no working HTML5 |
| 21:10.44 | GeneralAntilles | It can't even render gifs at an acceptable speed |
| 21:10.55 | GeneralAntilles | That WebKit browser is worse than the initial MicroB beta releases. |
| 21:12.03 | MohammadAG | I miss MicroB |
| 21:13.08 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 21:13.13 | faenil_ | I have never seen anything as smooth as n950 default browser instead. |
| 21:13.28 | SpeedEvil | wonders what happens if you put a n900 / chroot on harm |
| 21:13.41 | SpeedEvil | Can you convince microb to start? |
| 21:13.47 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, Softfp/hardfp |
| 21:13.50 | MohammadAG | it might work though |
| 21:14.04 | MohammadAG | can't we just write a Qt UI for a gecko engine? |
| 21:14.07 | lardman | set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to libm |
| 21:14.46 | rm_work | i thought the browser had really good HTML5 compatibility scores? >_> |
| 21:16.33 | Lilltiger | it has quite ok scores |
| 21:16.53 | lardman | I also thought it worked better than microb, at least it renders at a useful speed |
| 21:17.06 | lardman | no idea about whether it ticks all the boxes, etc. |
| 21:18.14 | MohammadAG | lardman, comparing with a 256MB 600MHz device? |
| 21:18.33 | lardman | true |
| 21:19.06 | Lilltiger | N9 got 255 points of 450, chrome in windows got 341 |
| 21:19.14 | lardman | well in which case compared to my Galaxy Tab it looses quite badly in terms of usability, but I wonder how much of that is the fact that the Tab gets mobile sites and has a larger screen |
| 21:20.07 | Lilltiger | n9 not supporting WebM is quite sad |
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| 21:21.26 | MohammadAG | lardman, the Tab has flash |
| 21:21.46 | lardman | yeah |
| 21:21.54 | lardman | but that is not a major usecase for me |
| 21:22.40 | Lilltiger | galaxy has worse html5 support then N9 |
| 21:23.31 | Lilltiger | ios5 is the only to beat armattan on mobile phones |
| 21:24.12 | Lilltiger | http://html5test.com/results-mobile.html |
| 21:24.44 | lardman | I'm not sure supporting html5 perfectly really matters to most people |
| 21:24.57 | lardman | speed and ease of use |
| 21:25.15 | Lilltiger | my N9 renders the sites quite fast |
| 21:26.12 | lardman | sure, the N950 works reasonably well |
| 21:26.17 | Lilltiger | but sure, no flash, but I do not see that as a bad thing |
| 21:27.16 | lardman | not having flash is bad, as you may sometimes want to view a flash site, etc., but I agree that it's not a major factor |
| 21:27.33 | Lilltiger | flash is a major securityflaw.. |
| 21:28.09 | Lilltiger | and I never seen flash be in any way usable outside of windows |
| 21:28.18 | macmaN | any of you running fennec on n950? |
| 21:28.20 | Lilltiger | the *nix versions are horrible bad |
| 21:28.51 | macmaN | i have an allergy against my-meego.com. it just looks that bad. |
| 21:29.05 | Lilltiger | but right now what I do want on my N9 is XBMC |
| 21:29.12 | lardman | flash works on my Linux box, but as will all web stuff it's rather slow and I'm always worried it will crash. Perhaps that is just FF under Linux, certainly Windows is far more responsive |
| 21:30.07 | macmaN | Lilltiger: i think its likely to show up |
| 21:30.39 | Lilltiger | macmaN: probly, but i want it now! ;D |
| 21:30.48 | macmaN | patchwelcome :) |
| 21:31.52 | macmaN | so my girl is gonna get a n9 for her birthday in one week. its hidden in the apt in the dustiest places possible so she wont go there and find it. |
| 21:32.05 | Lilltiger | well it's debian.. I wich it was gentoo-based! |
| 21:32.14 | lardman | lol |
| 21:32.15 | macmaN | thank goodness for n950 otherwise i wouldnt be able to resist cracking it open already |
| 21:32.38 | macmaN | and probably brick it trying to meego ce and whatnot :> that wouldnt make for a good gift |
| 21:33.04 | lardman | Best to "brick" it now before she has all her contacts and messages on it ;) |
| 21:33.08 | Lilltiger | the aegis free kernel seems very intresting =) |
| 21:34.12 | macmaN | mhm true true |
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| 21:41.32 | macmaN | gonna install fennec9a1 on n950 |
| 21:52.30 | lardman | night all, qml has worn me out |
| 21:52.44 | jpnurmi | what could be the reason that n9 is not running sshd even though developer mode is turned on? |
| 21:59.59 | macmaN | "is not running" ps aux doesnt show it? |
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| 22:04.51 | jpnurmi | macmaN: exactly |
| 22:04.59 | tomma | is it installed? |
| 22:05.23 | jpnurmi | it worked fine over the weekend :) |
| 22:05.32 | tomma | restart it? |
| 22:05.45 | jpnurmi | i just restarted the phone and still nope :( |
| 22:05.56 | tomma | sshd |
| 22:05.58 | tomma | restart sshd |
| 22:06.44 | jpnurmi | running it directly from /usr/sbin? there's no ssh in /etc/init.d |
| 22:07.58 | jpnurmi | hmm, says nothing and still not running |
| 22:08.01 | macmaN | what less /var/log/messages show |
| 22:08.51 | macmaN | what less /var/log/syslog show |
| 22:11.36 | jpnurmi | huh, can't find anything related to ssh |
| 22:17.06 | jpnurmi | i bet it would be still working if i didn't run out of battery today |
| 22:18.42 | jpnurmi | so basically the problem is that qt creator says "Could not connect to host: Connection refused" |
| 22:18.56 | jpnurmi | is responds to ping, but cannot ssh |
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| 22:20.02 | macmaN | well run sshd manually with debug switch, see whether it can start u |
| 22:20.03 | macmaN | p |
| 22:20.46 | tomma | it seems like sshd is started by /etc/init/ssh.conf ... no idea who is responsible of calling it |
| 22:22.05 | jpnurmi | okay now we're getting somewhere :) |
| 22:22.29 | jpnurmi | bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0 failed: permission denied. cannot bind any address |
| 22:23.25 | tomma | are you running it as root? |
| 22:23.31 | jpnurmi | yes |
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