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| 03:57.22 | keitsi | if I go to a shop and buy a N9, what can I do in the console? can I gain root access, and tweak stuff like /sys and /proc? insert my own kernel modules? |
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| 04:34.00 | dm8tbr | keitsi: there is a developer mode |
| 04:34.36 | dm8tbr | keitsi: though forget the notion of 'root' as there is a fine grained capability system |
| 04:34.58 | dm8tbr | keitsi: if you want though you can boot your own kernel (and userspace) |
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| 04:50.06 | iekku | hello |
| 04:56.07 | dm8tbr | mood groaning |
| 05:01.15 | keitsi | dm8tbr, so can I get full access to the platform without compiling custom kernel? |
| 05:02.35 | hiemanshu | not really, not as long as aegis is alive |
| 05:03.21 | keitsi | yeah. I was reading this topic and got second thoughts about buying N9. http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
| 05:03.34 | keitsi | just wanted to make sure I understand correctly |
| 05:03.57 | dm8tbr | keitsi: buy an BeagleBoardXM instead then, full control, boot what you want, ... |
| 05:04.32 | keitsi | dm8tbr, very funny. |
| 05:05.07 | dm8tbr | well it sounds like you're looking for an platform for experiments and not necessarily a phone |
| 05:06.18 | keitsi | you heard wrong. I want a phone but I also want to be able to develop stuff for it, even modules for kernel. |
| 05:07.09 | keitsi | sounds to me like I'm not meant to able able to do that |
| 05:09.17 | keitsi | I might still get N9, although I'm a little disappointed in how restricted my access is. |
| 05:10.06 | dm8tbr | you can load your own kernel if you want. the device will boot in open mode. |
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| 05:10.22 | dm8tbr | they could have disabled that too |
| 05:11.21 | dm8tbr | as this is a device designed for consumers and was to be marketed broadly through operators it has that unfortunate security framework |
| 05:11.34 | dm8tbr | the n900 was a different story |
| 05:11.35 | keitsi | so, if I want to develop a program for the default kernel, I need to boot my own kernel to have full access to the system i.e. for debugging purposes |
| 05:11.40 | keitsi | I understand that, yeah |
| 05:12.35 | dm8tbr | in most cases you don't need full kernel access for developing a _userspace_ software |
| 05:12.53 | dm8tbr | besides that there are developer tools etc included |
| 05:13.14 | dm8tbr | other people manage to write software too. what makes your case so special? |
| 05:13.32 | keitsi | I'm going to buy an operator independent phone anyway, so that's totally unnecessary restriction. |
| 05:13.54 | dm8tbr | sure, but it's built into the platform |
| 05:15.42 | keitsi | there's a high chance that I want to hack the kernel as well, like with other gadgets I buy. |
| 05:16.03 | keitsi | if I understand correctly, the security system makes developing programs harder |
| 05:16.24 | hiemanshu | not really, if you use Qt Creator it does the ugly bits for you |
| 05:20.26 | keitsi | there's a high chance that I need kernel access at some point for a developing and debugging a VPN software that uses tun/tap module (I assume it's already built in to the kernel?). not having full root access does not sound good, because I constantly require root access when developing the program in other platforms. |
| 05:22.48 | keitsi | I'm not saying it can't be done but it's certainly not good that I'm prevented from debugging the program in default harmattan environment. |
| 05:23.04 | Stskeeps | keitsi: you're speaking to the choir here.. there are people who made a open kernel, if you want freedom, it's there, but some parts may break. if you want a open system that doesn't utilize aegis, meego community edition exists |
| 05:25.00 | Stskeeps | hopefully some of the open-mode-breaks will be ironed out over time, but this isn't a freerunner, warranty will be void if you flash outside the normal experience |
| 05:26.18 | eman | Anyone have SSU kill access to the camera on the N950? |
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| 05:48.23 | eman | Also with PR1.1, have people got SSH access still working? |
| 05:49.14 | gri | ssh still works, but not for root |
| 05:49.25 | eman | Oh, that is screwed |
| 05:49.31 | gri | to become root, login as user or developer and run "devel-su" |
| 05:50.27 | eman | okay. thanks gri |
| 05:51.54 | eman | So camera must still work for everyone else :-/ |
| 05:52.27 | gri | what is "SSU kill access"? |
| 05:52.55 | eman | As in after the update the PR1.1, the camera can't be accessed by the camera app anymore |
| 05:53.22 | gri | mine works |
| 05:53.40 | gri | if you mean the nokia camera application |
| 05:54.02 | eman | I get "The camera is not responding. Try again or restart the device if the problem continues" |
| 05:54.10 | eman | Yes, the nokia camera application |
| 05:54.15 | eman | I've tried restarting the phone |
| 05:54.17 | eman | sigh |
| 05:55.24 | eman | Ah. syslog shows Aegis blocking it: Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.MLr3c1 (process: camera-ui) |
| 05:55.34 | eman | PR1.1 update must have been screwed |
| 05:58.50 | hiemanshu | works fine for me, and you cannot even downgrade, so waiting for the OCFs |
| 05:59.13 | eman | hmmm. No debsums available for me to verify the package |
| 06:02.39 | matrixx | camera works fine for me |
| 06:02.49 | matrixx | with PR 1.1 |
| 06:03.23 | eman | matrixx: Seems my package is somehow broken. Update must have not worked properly for me. |
| 06:03.36 | eman | I get in dmesg: cannot measure file orcexec.cbA8PJ (process: camera-ui) |
| 06:04.13 | matrixx | eman: ah ok |
| 06:20.50 | tomma | eman, i got "Aegis: cannot measure file orcexec.CSmQLC (process: camera-ui)" also but camera works fine |
| 06:21.04 | tomma | i have seen many other processes too with that error |
| 06:21.44 | eman | tomma: Yeah, digging deeper, that error message seems to be from liborc which provides optimised array operations |
| 06:21.57 | eman | Seems to be a red herring |
| 06:22.02 | eman | Found another log line |
| 06:22.20 | eman | Oct 21 17:21:16 (2011) camera[4160]: Setting camera pipeline to running state failed. |
| 06:22.20 | eman | Oct 21 17:21:16 (2011) camera[4160]: Camera pipeline error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem. Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer." , "camerabingeneral.c(61): gst_camerabin_add_element (): /GstCameraBin:QCameraCameraBin: linking capsfilter4 failed" , 7 |
| 06:24.15 | eman | But then the orc stuff is apparently used by various gstreamer elements... |
| 06:24.17 | eman | hmm |
| 06:25.48 | gri | what about reinstalling the gstreamer packages and hope for the best? |
| 06:26.13 | eman | yeah, I might have to try that |
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| 06:29.47 | eman | hmmm. dependencies want to remove nearly every package in the system to remove gstreamer packages related to camera |
| 06:29.55 | eman | bugger |
| 06:30.12 | gri | well, reinstalling not removing |
| 06:30.51 | eman | How does one do that with apt-get? |
| 06:30.59 | gri | apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad --reinstall |
| 06:31.03 | gri | for example |
| 06:32.06 | eman | Ah, thanks. man page I was checking didn't have that documented |
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| 06:37.30 | jylan | Does anyone know about PR 1.1 release dates for the N9? |
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| 06:41.36 | rantom | Probably not and if they would they couldn't tell due to the NDA |
| 06:41.41 | rantom | Check /topic |
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| 07:01.34 | eman | interesting... the n950 doesn't use shadowed passwords |
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| 07:18.13 | spenap | is there any public bug tracking system for the N9-related bugs? |
| 07:20.39 | eman | http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/enter_bug.cgi |
| 07:20.54 | eman | (I haven't used, no idea if it is correct, but is what docs say) |
| 07:22.06 | tomma | I think that is right place even thou description says: "Developer products related to the Harmattan Platform" |
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| 07:34.19 | spenap | hmmm |
| 07:34.29 | spenap | but is that targeted for the "normal people"? |
| 07:34.42 | spenap | hmm |
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| 07:34.55 | spenap | I guess that my mother wouldn't be filing bugs anyway :D |
| 07:35.09 | spenap | so maybe those who would, can use that developer bugtracker |
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| 07:40.23 | xarcass | spenap: for mere mortals there is the Nokia Care service and it works |
| 07:40.46 | spenap | xarcass, yes: I realized that when I wrote the "hmm" :D |
| 07:41.35 | spenap | I was originally thinking about the previous maemo devices, but the target users were different. And that same user profile can still file bugs using the developer bug tracker |
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| 07:49.58 | rantom | I'd like to see an open bugtracker |
| 07:50.24 | rantom | I've noticed some errors in localization but I'm not that interested to get it fixed that I'd create yet another account |
| 07:50.55 | deram | Hi, I'm having problem accessing the favorite locations saved in Maps application using qtmobility.location API. I found out that the Maps application is writing those into ~/.cities/NokiaMaps.db (using sqlite, which was the backend in maemo5), and not the sparql database the Location API accesses on harmattan. Is this correct, and can those landmarks be accessed some way in own applications? |
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| 08:05.10 | khertan | Morning, i'm looking for advice for doing a text editor in QML, i didn't see how to manage the richtext in a TextEdit, and using a QTextEdit in a QProxyGraphicWidget isn't possible as QtWidget is unmaintained have visual glitch, and have problem with virtualkeyboard on harmattan. I didn't got any answer except waiting Qt5 and QtQuick2.0 but it s not a solution as it s not available on nokia n9, and will probably not for the next months |
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| 08:11.20 | augustl | sandst1: ooh |
| 08:12.21 | vladest | khertan: there was an example of text editor on qml |
| 08:12.45 | khertan | a text editor not a richtext editor |
| 08:12.51 | khertan | it s just text |
| 08:13.15 | vladest | khertan: in my opinion qml is not too rich at the moment to be replacement for qwidgets |
| 08:13.56 | vladest | qtcomponents not compatible betwiin platforms and still lucks a lot of controls |
| 08:15.31 | khertan | yeah but what is the other choice ? |
| 08:15.36 | khertan | qwidget isn't functionnal too |
| 08:15.50 | khertan | virtual keyboard give many problem |
| 08:16.52 | sandst1 | augustl: ? |
| 08:16.55 | khertan | even when using QTextEdit in a QProxyGraphic |
| 08:16.59 | Hq` | libmeegotouch maybe? |
| 08:17.13 | khertan | it s works on harmattan ? |
| 08:17.49 | Hq` | yes |
| 08:17.58 | Hq` | there's MTextEdit |
| 08:18.20 | khertan | hum ... i ll try to find if there is binding for it |
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| 08:18.59 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:19.55 | lardman | re the latest update, my router fell over towards the end of the download, and now when I try to apply the update it downloads an additional ~313kb, then sits for ~5min at 0% before saying the installation has been interrupted |
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| 08:20.48 | lardman | so aside from general comments about checking the downloads, as this also happened to me when downloading the terminal/dev pack after enabling dev mode, what should I do to recover the situation |
| 08:21.11 | lardman | would an apt-get get update && apt-get upgrade do the job? |
| 08:21.37 | lardman | Or do I need a dist upgrade in there, or even should I purge the apt cache and try the download again? |
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| 08:29.06 | vladest | Hq`: with libmeegotouch you'll stuck on meego only |
| 08:31.43 | Hq` | yeah, that's true |
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| 08:37.49 | faenil | morning people |
| 08:38.18 | augustl | sandst1: haha, nvm. Scroll #fail |
| 08:38.38 | augustl | sandst1: looked like your msg about dist-upgrade on the n9 was recent |
| 08:39.11 | sandst1 | augustl: ah, ok :) |
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| 08:44.09 | gri | faenil, got my message yesterday? |
| 08:44.36 | faenil | oh there you are :D |
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| 09:23.45 | vladest | any1 tried vnc server from new sdk connection? |
| 09:23.59 | vladest | what client is best for win? |
| 09:25.50 | hiemanshu | tigervnc |
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| 09:27.41 | faenil | djszapi: yo man |
| 09:27.42 | faenil | :) |
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| 09:32.16 | vladest | hiemanshu: 10x |
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| 10:40.47 | lardman | anyone any ideas about my inability to upgrade |
| 10:40.48 | lardman | ? |
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| 10:44.53 | Kaadlajk | lardman: dont do dist-upgrade at least :) |
| 10:45.11 | lardman | ok, fair enough |
| 10:45.15 | Kaadlajk | from command line you can try... |
| 10:45.17 | Kaadlajk | apt-get update |
| 10:45.23 | lardman | done |
| 10:45.48 | Kaadlajk | then search for mp-harmattan package |
| 10:45.55 | lardman | ah ok |
| 10:45.58 | lardman | has a look see |
| 10:46.03 | Kaadlajk | probably with name mp-harmattan-299-pr, or at least it was on N9 |
| 10:46.16 | Kaadlajk | apt-cache search mp-harmattan but guess you already knew that :) |
| 10:46.27 | lardman | yep, thanks though |
| 10:47.20 | lardman | mp-harmattan-rm680-pr looks like |
| 10:47.20 | Kaadlajk | then do apt-get install mp-harmattan-... |
| 10:47.52 | Kaadlajk | mp-harmattan-rm680-pr should have all the packages and specific version numbers as dependency |
| 10:48.10 | Kaadlajk | and version number should be... 2.2011.39-5 i think |
| 10:48.32 | lardman | I'm just wondering though, because presumably something didn't download correctly, so I wonder what state I'll be left in |
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| 10:49.01 | Kaadlajk | presumably with apt-get install you can see what fails to download |
| 10:49.17 | lardman | The packages are all downloaded now and cached |
| 10:49.52 | lardman | but presumably one of them is broken, or at least I guess that's what the GUI upgrader tool was checking for and that's why it failed |
| 10:49.58 | Kaadlajk | you can try to clean cache |
| 10:50.24 | kulve | I upgraded my n950 to the latest release yesterday but can't login as root with ssh anymore.. Even to localhost using the terminal. Any hints? |
| 10:50.43 | Kaadlajk | kulve: it is blocked, log in as developer |
| 10:51.12 | Kaadlajk | kulve: and use devel-su to become root |
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| 10:52.17 | kulve | hmm.. my terminal is gone.. |
| 10:52.34 | Kaadlajk | terminal comes with developer mode |
| 10:52.47 | kulve | it's in the dev mode |
| 10:53.01 | Kaadlajk | turn off dev mode and turn it on again |
| 10:53.15 | Kaadlajk | it is somewhat buggy after upgrade usually |
| 10:53.49 | lardman | tries apt-get clean and crosses fingers that power doesn't go out again |
| 10:54.06 | alterego | I wonder when the N9 will actually get to the UK |
| 10:54.28 | lardman | hmm, have to turn dev mode on again, I had exactly this problem with the dev mode downloads last time round |
| 10:54.51 | lardman | thinks UI needs to handle failed downloads more usefully (in fact handle them full stop) |
| 10:55.04 | macmaN | kulve: http://goo.gl/g44iJ |
| 10:55.40 | kulve | thx |
| 10:56.03 | macmaN | while mgedmin commented about passwd -u, im not really scared about that and my ssh is happily working over upgrades |
| 10:56.09 | lardman | goes back to coding mBarcode plugins |
| 10:56.37 | Arkenoi | is there mbarcode for harmattan already? |
| 10:57.51 | lardman | yeah, but not really end user ready yet |
| 10:58.01 | lardman | give me a few more hours and some more QML cursing |
| 10:58.27 | lardman | I have a newish baby and it's been hard to string together enough hours to get much done recently |
| 10:58.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:58.42 | lardman | s/I/We |
| 10:59.53 | lardman | The amusing thing is that the backend has been working pretty much ok for a couple of months, just the UI killing me ;) |
| 11:01.15 | alterego | What are you using? |
| 11:01.27 | alterego | I implemented a QML component using zbar which is quite cool. |
| 11:01.33 | lardman | Yeah I saw that |
| 11:01.40 | lardman | I'm actually using ZXing |
| 11:01.55 | lardman | using ZBar + libdmtx was a bit wasteful imo |
| 11:02.10 | lardman | back by backend I mean the mbarcode plugin and event handling stuff |
| 11:02.13 | alterego | Yeah, might look into ZXing then |
| 11:02.28 | lardman | I'll point you at the code once I check the dmtx stuff works ok |
| 11:02.31 | alterego | zbar seems quite heavy. |
| 11:03.22 | lardman | zbar itself is ok, libdmtx is very very heavy, and using two separate decoders is inefficient as all the initial pre-processing has to be done twice |
| 11:03.37 | lardman | anyway we'll see how it works hey ;) |
| 11:03.51 | alterego | Yeah, well I just used zbar and Qt |
| 11:05.10 | gri | leinir, you there? |
| 11:05.40 | leinir | gri: i am :) |
| 11:05.42 | ab | anyone else got camera not working after upgrade? |
| 11:06.05 | alterego | I use mobility to get the raw video frames from the camera, then I convert from uyvy to rgb using some assembly |
| 11:06.24 | lardman | yeah I saw your code, looks nice |
| 11:06.27 | alterego | Then pass the QImage to zbar, works quite well. |
| 11:06.35 | gri | leinir, can you tell me on which day the Qt Contributors Summit is? 23rd or 24th? faenil and I tried to find out some time ago :) |
| 11:06.43 | alterego | Just seems to be a bit sluggish on the N950 for some reason .. |
| 11:06.51 | alterego | Works amazing on the N900 .. |
| 11:06.58 | djszapi | gri monday, but not Qt Contributors Summit |
| 11:07.04 | gri | ahh |
| 11:07.05 | gri | day |
| 11:07.07 | gri | sorry |
| 11:07.14 | lardman | alterego: I used to grab Gst frames, yuv to grayscale in C, then pass raw buffers to decoder threads |
| 11:07.52 | gri | djszapi, thank you. faenil always said sunday for some reason and I did not believe him :P |
| 11:08.08 | leinir | gri: It's called Qt Contributors' Day, but yes, it's on the Monday :) |
| 11:08.13 | lardman | update sitting at 0% for a long while now.... |
| 11:08.18 | leinir | http://community.kde.org/Qt_Contributors_Day |
| 11:09.31 | alterego | lardman: good point, I guess the conversion to greyscale over RGB would be a lot less intensive. |
| 11:09.40 | alterego | But then, it needs to be converted to get rendered too, so ... |
| 11:11.24 | lardman | alterego: you can render in yuv can't you? |
| 11:11.53 | alterego | Not the way I do it :P |
| 11:12.05 | alterego | Which is actually how Qt Mobility does it too .. |
| 11:12.37 | alterego | The code that converts from yuv to rgb is actually taken from Qt Mobility |
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| 11:18.28 | lardman | ah ok |
| 11:18.54 | lardman | I'll have a look at that later on today I imagine |
| 11:19.16 | lardman | just need to get a few more plugins doing something at least |
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| 11:33.02 | MohammadAG | No n950 yet |
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| 11:38.46 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:41.02 | MohammadAG | OOM on iOS is annoying |
| 11:41.03 | jreznik | ovi publish is quite broken today |
| 11:41.28 | MohammadAG | It can close your current app rather than ones in the bg |
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| 11:42.48 | MohammadAG | The main UI has over 25 threads, debugging crashes sucks |
| 11:43.51 | gri | MohammadAG, debugging crashes? My XCode just tells me it crashed but not more about where or why |
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| 11:45.04 | flux | I guess no core dumps? |
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| 11:57.26 | razvanpetru | Hi, how can I check what connections are made on the n9 and even block connections? :) |
| 11:57.55 | flux | you would use iptables and its QUEUE target |
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| 11:58.40 | flux | oh, or perhaps not QUEUE if you didn't mean that your application can choose on connection-by-connection basis whether to let them through or not |
| 11:58.47 | flux | iptables does static rules of course as well |
| 11:59.10 | razvanpetru | sh can't find it unfortunately :( |
| 11:59.34 | razvanpetru | have to compile it myself? |
| 11:59.37 | flux | iptables is in /sbin/iptables |
| 11:59.51 | flux | you may need to compile some library stuff yourself however, for QUEUE support.. |
| 12:01.19 | Lilltiger | does the N9 use it's own video player for webstreams or do all harmattan devices use one sharad? |
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| 12:02.45 | razvanpetru | yep, found it now |
| 12:03.26 | razvanpetru | and it works just as usual or is aegis interfering with it? |
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| 12:04.39 | djszapi | Hi! Is there an alarm application for Harmattan ? |
| 12:05.00 | razvanpetru | sure, it's in the clock :) |
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| 12:05.48 | djszapi | razvanpetru: thanks. |
| 12:09.39 | razvanpetru | is meego netstat limited somehow? I can't get some basic commands to work :| |
| 12:10.28 | razvanpetru | same for lsof -i |
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| 12:12.58 | flux | razvanpetru, seems to work in 'develsh' |
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| 12:14.47 | razvanpetru | is develsh the shell that's added when enabling dev mode? doesn't work for me there :-/ |
| 12:15.14 | flux | right, well then I imagine you cannot get the information unless someone writes a tool to do it for you (and has the proper credentials) |
| 12:16.14 | djszapi | razvanpetru: so you have tried devel-sh ? |
| 12:17.01 | razvanpetru | the shell I'm using is built-in-shell (ash) |
| 12:17.16 | razvanpetru | just got the N9, don't even know what packages/tools are available for it :) |
| 12:18.54 | djszapi | razvanpetru: right, devel-sh is not the default process, even in developer mode iirc |
| 12:19.06 | djszapi | so you need to type that to get into that. |
| 12:19.12 | djszapi | razvanpetru: when is your talk here in Munich btw ? |
| 12:19.44 | razvanpetru | Wed morning |
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| 12:20.05 | djszapi | yo faenil |
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| 12:20.17 | faenil | yo man |
| 12:20.23 | faenil | xD |
| 12:20.41 | djszapi | wanted to ask something ? |
| 12:20.50 | faenil | yup |
| 12:20.56 | faenil | let me remember what it was xd |
| 12:21.24 | faenil | oh, right |
| 12:21.25 | faenil | pm |
| 12:22.10 | razvanpetru | found a develsh in /sbin, but it just starts ash :) |
| 12:22.24 | razvanpetru | can't wait to get to dd and pick someone's brains about n9 |
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| 12:23.30 | djszapi | razvanpetru: develsh -> try out accli -I |
| 12:23.37 | djszapi | you will see the difference between that and ash |
| 12:25.25 | razvanpetru | ah yes :) |
| 12:25.46 | faenil | anyone experiencing network issues? |
| 12:26.00 | faenil | I often get asked to reenter the PIN code |
| 12:26.34 | razvanpetru | n950 or n9? |
| 12:30.27 | faenil | n950 |
| 12:32.25 | aslani | yeah, I get that too |
| 12:33.02 | faenil | added to low signal ... :( |
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| 12:34.46 | aslani | low signal is probably caused by the metal frame, but no idea about that PIN code issue |
| 12:34.48 | deram | on my previous phones, the reenter PIN has hapened when there is bad contact on sim-card... could this be the case here? |
| 12:35.31 | deram | even fingerprint on the contacts can make difference |
| 12:35.46 | faenil | deram: mmm could be...I have never taken the sim out though...could be, let's try ;) |
| 12:40.18 | Arkenoi | still no ocf for new frimware? |
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| 12:44.17 | razvanpetru | well, I haven't gotten this sim error on any other phone |
| 12:44.23 | razvanpetru | and my sim was 5-6 years old |
| 12:44.30 | razvanpetru | so it's the n950 I bet |
| 12:45.13 | faenil | same here.. |
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| 13:05.56 | razvanpetru | can wifi be toggled on/off on n9? |
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| 13:06.43 | alterego | Sure, flight mode? :) |
| 13:06.52 | razvanpetru | so no :) |
| 13:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | (<razvanpetru> found a develsh in /sbin, but it just starts ash) nevertheless develsh binary has a different set of aegis permissions, which is what it's all about |
| 13:07.47 | razvanpetru | I'm thinking of saving battery, I'm at 85% in 3-4 hours |
| 13:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | accli -I |
| 13:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | will show you |
| 13:08.32 | razvanpetru | yes, I noticed that Doc, thanks. |
| 13:08.56 | razvanpetru | oddly enough Symbian has the best connection management of the oses I've tried so far |
| 13:09.16 | razvanpetru | you have a bunch of connections, you set their priority and then the connection is maintained as long as needed |
| 13:09.32 | razvanpetru | iOS is always-on, but you can toggle wifi |
| 13:09.48 | razvanpetru | N9 uses whatever the heck it wants :)) |
| 13:10.37 | razvanpetru | and ends up connected to wifi all the time :( |
| 13:13.05 | Hq` | settings -> internet connection -> edit networks -> tap and hold -> use manually |
| 13:13.23 | razvanpetru | yes, experimenting with that now. |
| 13:13.37 | razvanpetru | I set to use manually and then disconnect wifi |
| 13:13.49 | razvanpetru | but then when I "need" the wifi it asked me for pass again |
| 13:14.20 | razvanpetru | I hope I can get this to work in the end :) |
| 13:15.20 | razvanpetru | just found a cool shell feature - swipe to toggle between shell buttons and arrow buttons :) |
| 13:16.15 | MohammadAG | Symbian has the worst connectivity manager ever |
| 13:16.47 | MohammadAG | I ended up having two 3G apns and a wifi one at the same time |
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| 13:17.09 | MohammadAG | FP2 improved it but it's still bad imo |
| 13:17.11 | alterego | MohammadAG: that would be pretty cool with Tor integration :P |
| 13:17.39 | MohammadAG | alterego: lol |
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| 13:18.16 | razvanpetru | MohammadAG - FP2 as in the very old non-touch phones? or the anna stuff? |
| 13:18.37 | MohammadAG | IOS's connectivity is good, so's android's, I still like fremantle's best |
| 13:19.15 | MohammadAG | razvanpetru: FP1 is N95 and friends, fp2 is N86/96 etc |
| 13:19.22 | jreznik | MohammadAG: +1 for worst connectivity manager in Symbian - my small brain completely failed to understand it :) |
| 13:19.26 | razvanpetru | oh, well it got better since then :) |
| 13:19.37 | MohammadAG | So it's the new old phones |
| 13:19.49 | MohammadAG | razvanpetru: It's the same since then |
| 13:20.05 | MohammadAG | You get destinations and you manage those |
| 13:20.20 | razvanpetru | yep... |
| 13:20.27 | MohammadAG | Some apps still ask for a connection when i'm connected |
| 13:20.43 | razvanpetru | what phone? never got this on s^3 |
| 13:20.58 | MohammadAG | I miss harmattan's vkb, this iPod's killing me |
| 13:21.18 | MohammadAG | razvanpetru: S^3 uses the same old core |
| 13:21.29 | MohammadAG | Install gravity and try it out |
| 13:21.48 | razvanpetru | works, I tried it. maybe I'm just lucky :D |
| 13:23.45 | razvanpetru | now use manually doesn't ask for passwords any more , phew |
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| 13:27.05 | javispedro | mooorning. |
| 13:27.19 | Stskeeps | morn javispedro |
| 13:27.41 | MohammadAG | Moo javispedro |
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| 13:28.12 | faenil | moo Javis |
| 13:28.23 | khertan | Someone have idea on how to implement a source code editor with qml ? on harmattan qwidget are unusable (some displays glitch and problems with the virtual keyboard even when using a qtextedit in a qgraphicproxywidget) ... really disapointed with this premature move for qml |
| 13:28.46 | MohammadAG | Use mtf then |
| 13:28.49 | khertan | and qml textedit does let programmer manage the text |
| 13:29.05 | rncbc | hello |
| 13:29.08 | khertan | mtf will have the same problem than qwidget ? |
| 13:29.48 | Hq` | no, MTF is actually well-supported and has the proper visual styles |
| 13:29.53 | MohammadAG | All stock apps are mtf |
| 13:30.41 | asys3 | could anyone help me during my upgrade to pr1.0 with libmeegotouchcore0: Hängt ab: libmeegotouch-l10n-engineering-english (= 0.23.19-1+0m6) aber 0.22.12-1+0m6 ist installiert |
| 13:30.44 | asys3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:30.53 | khertan | oh ... i ll see then if pyside have binding for it |
| 13:30.54 | khertan | thx |
| 13:31.12 | rncbc | do some1 remember my problem a day/night ago where my n950 got into flight-mode then device-lock after a device update on late wednesday? |
| 13:31.27 | MohammadAG | Why pyside... |
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| 13:34.46 | djszapi | those who missed: http://www.macieira.org/blog/2011/10/qt-project-org-is-live/ |
| 13:34.47 | khertan | MohammadAG: why ? because python ... and because compiling on n950 will be a real pain |
| 13:34.47 | MohammadAG | Then use the sdk |
| 13:34.47 | khertan | on device ? |
| 13:34.47 | MohammadAG | No |
| 13:34.48 | khertan | so ... not possible ... |
| 13:34.48 | Hq` | don't you have a computer? :) |
| 13:34.48 | khertan | the purpose is doing it on device |
| 13:34.48 | MohammadAG | Purpose of what |
| 13:34.48 | khertan | Hq`: yep ... but i can't use it in the train and subway |
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| 13:34.48 | khertan | MohammadAG: of my devel ... no time at home, no time at works, 4h of train (+metro/subway) every days |
| 13:34.48 | MohammadAG | Code at home/office? |
| 13:34.48 | khertan | so i code in train :) |
| 13:35.08 | MohammadAG | Laptops exist you know |
| 13:35.08 | khertan | i do that since i got my first palm :) |
| 13:35.09 | Hq` | ah, ok |
| 13:35.22 | khertan | yep but laptop is unusable when you are standing up |
| 13:35.32 | bindi | you code standing up? |
| 13:35.34 | bindi | sick :D |
| 13:35.40 | faenil | indeed xD |
| 13:35.43 | Hq` | coding on the n950 while standing up... pretty hardcore :D |
| 13:36.14 | khertan | so imagine with a laptop |
| 13:36.21 | bindi | get a tablet |
| 13:36.22 | bindi | :-D |
| 13:36.31 | khertan | i ll like to be able to sit and code ... |
| 13:36.39 | khertan | but yep ... paris ... too many people in trains |
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| 13:37.32 | khertan | if i would like to code on laptop ... i ll use laptop for this |
| 13:37.41 | khertan | and keep my nokia 3210 |
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| 13:40.54 | rncbc | i tried to reflash my n950 from beta2 image and now its bricked. it tells me downgrade disallowed. same for coldflash: see http://pastebin.com/PwzqaFnk |
| 13:42.44 | khertan | MohammadAG: and worse i didn't found any meegotouch binding for python in repository |
| 13:43.20 | khertan | MohammadAG: it s seems there is finally some binding |
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| 13:49.22 | khertan | MohammadAG: where is the doc for meegotouch api ? |
| 13:51.52 | Hq` | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=libmeegotouch&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJtZWVnb3RvdWNo |
| 13:53.13 | khertan | thx i wasn't able to found it on meego.com |
| 13:55.08 | rncbc | does any1 has hint or help on what to so next? n950 bricked after reflash to beta2 ^^^ |
| 13:55.30 | khertan | lol ... none equivalent of QSyntaxHighlighter |
| 13:56.32 | rncbc | s/what to so/what to do/ |
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| 13:59.07 | faenil | rncbc: you could try putting MeeGo CE on it and then reflashing to beta2? |
| 13:59.40 | hiemanshu | not sure if that would work, MeeGo CE Doesn't nuke the harmattan partitions |
| 14:00.09 | hiemanshu | neither does moslo |
| 14:00.11 | javispedro | nah, if you reflash to beta2 you get a failed boot (with a "reboot" symbol) |
| 14:00.16 | rncbc | faenil: thanks, and what is exactly that thing "meego ce" ? :) |
| 14:00.39 | rncbc | faenil: sorry for the ignorance |
| 14:04.34 | faenil | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 |
| 14:04.34 | rncbc | faenil: is this that "meego ce" fall edition ok? http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/archive/1.2.90.5.0.20110927.81.CE.2011-09-27.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-testing/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n950-ce-testing-1.2.90.5.0.20110927.81.CE.2011-09-27.1.tar.bz2 |
| 14:04.47 | faenil | look there for instructions |
| 14:04.54 | faenil | I have to go now... |
| 14:04.55 | faenil | enjoy :) |
| 14:05.13 | rncbc | faenil: well ty anyway |
| 14:06.20 | Stskeeps | rncbc: don't install if you can't flash back to harmattan, ie, beta2 + updated SSU |
| 14:06.30 | Stskeeps | since no flasher/image out yet for beta2+ssu |
| 14:07.25 | hiemanshu | NFS Shift is nice :D |
| 14:07.53 | rncbc | Stskeeps: care to explain whats that beta2+ssu is about? |
| 14:08.17 | Stskeeps | rncbc: if you have beta2 and have upgraded over the air, you cannot flash back in case you screw up |
| 14:10.46 | rncbc | Stskeeps: i guess im screwed then. that was exactly what happened. i had beta2 running, then last wednesday it went into device update over the air and got stuck into flight-mode/device-lock for which the default security code 12345 didn't help. then i tried to reflash back to beta2 and got this http://pastebin.com/PwzqaFnk (downgrade disalloed) |
| 14:10.56 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: I assume you can't flash back if you flash the latest release? |
| 14:11.30 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: this is the "failed boot" I was talking above -- someone told here that reflashing worked, but trying to boot resulted in a "reboot" symbol on the screen |
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| 14:11.48 | rncbc | s/downgrade disalloed/downgrade disallowed/ |
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| 14:13.05 | razvanpetru | why do upgrades keep failing for n950? I hope it's different for n9 |
| 14:13.22 | javispedro | "beta channel vs release channel" as a twit put ;P |
| 14:13.46 | javispedro | I guess one should be thankful there are releases _at all_, so can't really complain they're beta quality... |
| 14:14.19 | razvanpetru | why be thankful, I'd be pissed if I had a device with updates that bricked it |
| 14:15.02 | razvanpetru | if this happens on n9 I will simply stop using it, I don't see it as something acceptable |
| 14:15.15 | javispedro | razvanpetru: I am talking about the n950 being the "beta channel" |
| 14:15.26 | razvanpetru | yes, but still :) |
| 14:15.40 | javispedro | technically it should be used as developer device, not a "daily phone" |
| 14:16.01 | razvanpetru | that's why i got the n9, at least I can have some support if things go bad |
| 14:16.03 | javispedro | the fact that everyone including me uses it as its daily phone is irrevelevant ;P |
| 14:16.48 | hiemanshu | I dont use it as a daily phone :P |
| 14:16.54 | hiemanshu | so its almost everyone :D |
| 14:17.06 | khertan | i use it every day too :) |
| 14:17.26 | razvanpetru | I've heard that n950 is not that good in day-to-day use, sim issues, signal, gps |
| 14:17.42 | hiemanshu | I use it everyday, just not as a regular phone, have a sim with only data connection on it |
| 14:17.44 | javispedro | from those only "signal" seems to be an issue |
| 14:17.47 | khertan | razvanpetru: with beta firmware there was some signal problem |
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| 14:17.58 | hiemanshu | after OTA none |
| 14:18.07 | javispedro | well |
| 14:18.11 | khertan | beta2 fix this problem |
| 14:18.15 | javispedro | some apps behave weirdly with the hwkb |
| 14:18.17 | khertan | or at least i didn't get anymore |
| 14:18.23 | javispedro | e.g. conversations has some unwanted margins at the bottom |
| 14:18.30 | razvanpetru | oh I know, the hwkb disregards orientation locks |
| 14:18.32 | khertan | javispedro: and some behave weirdly with the vkb |
| 14:18.38 | javispedro | khertan: hah, touché |
| 14:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | (everyone including me uses it as its daily phone) not really ;-D |
| 14:19.03 | razvanpetru | so what do you use a daily phone? |
| 14:19.12 | razvanpetru | I was very close to an iphone4 but picked n9 in the end... |
| 14:19.55 | khertan | i really love it ... except for one thing. The fact they kill qwidget and qml isn't mature enought except for doing small thing |
| 14:20.15 | razvanpetru | that's also a huge issue when porting apps |
| 14:20.36 | khertan | it s not an issue ... it s an headache ... lose of time |
| 14:20.38 | khertan | motivation |
| 14:20.39 | javispedro | khertan: you could take as a project to "revive" qwidget ;P |
| 14:20.45 | khertan | and finnaly developper |
| 14:21.13 | javispedro | reviving qwidget would be slightly easier than, say, porting Gtk+ |
| 14:21.16 | khertan | javispedro: yeah and also rewrite qt framework ... or ... use my time for something i could manage to do alone |
| 14:21.24 | razvanpetru | yeah |
| 14:21.43 | khertan | trying to do html5/apps |
| 14:21.56 | khertan | but s again ... i got problem with harmattan browser |
| 14:21.57 | khertan | haha |
| 14:22.05 | jreznik | revive qwidget is more about styling and matching it the rest of ui, I expect |
| 14:22.09 | khertan | works everywhere except on the harmattan browser |
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| 14:22.14 | khertan | so i 'm a bit tired ... |
| 14:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | paegis forbids even things I'm used to do on my everyday phone, so the aegis-coffin sits on my desk connected to PC over ssh (beta1 still) 24/7, while N900 still does a hell of a job for my daily phone needs |
| 14:22.27 | khertan | and currently thinking of what doing next |
| 14:22.37 | javispedro | jreznik: and potentially implementing a fix for rotation, plus maybe something to replace dialogs, and, there! |
| 14:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | and it will stay like this for foreseeable future |
| 14:23.10 | javispedro | khertan: try MTF |
| 14:23.21 | javispedro | khertan: that's what I'm debating to use myself |
| 14:23.26 | khertan | javispedro: ... haha ... |
| 14:23.38 | khertan | javispedro: no equivalent of QSyntaxHighlighter |
| 14:23.48 | khertan | so need to write everything manually |
| 14:24.02 | khertan | with many workarround due to the limitation of MTextEdit |
| 14:24.16 | javispedro | can't you technically put a widget on a graphics view and call it a day? |
| 14:24.22 | khertan | will be faster to write the editor with something else |
| 14:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | btw if it wasn't for paegis, there's still this capacitive ts that makes the device fail my personal benchmark for daily use |
| 14:24.48 | khertan | javispedro: yeah but technically ... it s what i ve done with KhtEditor ... but there are many display glitches |
| 14:25.00 | khertan | without talking about problem with the virtualkeyboard |
| 14:25.48 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.07 | SpeedEvil | #n950club sucks. |
| 14:26.15 | SpeedEvil | It's not nearly heavy or robust enough. |
| 14:26.36 | javispedro | alterego: btw, you got a Nokia World invitation at the end? |
| 14:26.37 | svuorela | ....is there a barcode reading app for harmattan yet ? |
| 14:27.01 | SpeedEvil | I remember prople discussing working on one. |
| 14:27.07 | SpeedEvil | I don't recall an actual app yet. |
| 14:27.32 | khertan | SpeedEvil: n950club ? it s not just a twitter hashtag ? |
| 14:27.50 | SpeedEvil | may have been making an attempt at a joke. |
| 14:28.26 | khertan | didn't understood it |
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| 14:28.55 | javispedro | s/at the end/in the end |
| 14:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.30 | rncbc | ive just got success with ./flasher -F moslo-rootfs-1.2011.34-2_RM680-OEM1-916_0.0.13-12.1.bin -f |
| 14:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | success on (downgrade-)flashing *and booting* ?? |
| 14:32.22 | rncbc | now the n950 says i got my warranty void which was expected |
| 14:32.38 | khertan | warranty ? |
| 14:32.39 | khertan | hihi |
| 14:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | ooh moslo |
| 14:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | still unclear (and actually a very good question) if you could flash back from moslo to beta2 (or beta1) |
| 14:34.06 | javispedro | aiui flashing back to beta2 is possible |
| 14:34.12 | javispedro | beta1 not that sure. |
| 14:34.14 | khertan | roh ... pygame not available on harmattan :( |
| 14:34.18 | berndhs | yes would be nice to know that |
| 14:34.57 | javispedro | khertan: SDL is here though, so pygame shouldn't be hard to port. |
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| 14:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI moslo doesn't overlay/interfere with where HARM rootfs lives, but still is said to nuke HARM rootfs, probably deliberately on purpose of "ensuring nothing will mess with HARM security) |
| 14:36.17 | rncbc | DocScrutinizer: ive just flashed moslo a few minutes ago... |
| 14:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, so you could retry flashing of proper HARM betaX now |
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| 14:39.13 | javispedro | or go ahead and try CE ;P |
| 14:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | seems we learn about another way to permanently brick the device each week, all basically officially supported by Nokia |
| 14:39.35 | javispedro | I severely doubt that's the case here |
| 14:39.42 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: nah, we reuse rootfs partition |
| 14:39.45 | Stskeeps | so we do nuke harm |
| 14:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's insane |
| 14:40.00 | Stskeeps | (because rootfs is where we boot from |
| 14:40.02 | Stskeeps | moslo != dualboot |
| 14:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | why is there a mtd5 MOSLO then? |
| 14:40.26 | Stskeeps | for it to have a place to live for easy access to write to usb |
| 14:40.31 | Stskeeps | er, emmc |
| 14:40.33 | apol_ | hey after updating I have text that is not correct (a lot of "!! something"). can somebody tell me what package to install? (I guess I'm missing translations, no?) |
| 14:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | what now? mtd5 != HARM rootfs |
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| 14:41.39 | javispedro | apol_: theoretically, l10n-pack-{en,es} |
| 14:41.46 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: moslo is treated as a kind of initrd and allows access to either boot rootfs or export it over us |
| 14:41.49 | Stskeeps | b |
| 14:41.54 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: so that's why it's in NAND |
| 14:41.55 | rncbc | hmmm. moslo says rootfs now exported via usb but no /dev/sdX appears on my linux host |
| 14:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: this conflicts massively with >><Stskeeps> (because rootfs is where we boot from |
| 14:42.49 | apol_ | javispedro: it says it's already installed.. ó.ò |
| 14:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | >><Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: nah, we reuse rootfs partition |
| 14:43.00 | Stskeeps | ok, let me reprase |
| 14:43.40 | rncbc | wait, i think it's there alright (dev/sdf) ... |
| 14:44.02 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: MOSLO is installed into a partition on NAND, where it's launched by nolo upon boot, depending on a button being held down, it chooses if it should export rootfs partiton over usb or boot the kernel in /boot on rootfs |
| 14:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | duh, really? |
| 14:44.49 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 14:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 14:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 14:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | now how does that conflict with HARM rootfs then? /boot/vmlinuz et al? |
| 14:45.40 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: well, harmattan rootfs is overwritten |
| 14:45.49 | Stskeeps | because of us putting another system in |
| 14:46.15 | javispedro | apol_: weirdo |
| 14:46.22 | nibbler | meh |
| 14:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: (because of us putting another system in) why? |
| 14:46.32 | apol_ | well ok, I'll investigate further |
| 14:46.39 | javispedro | apol_: maybe reinstall or try upgrading it |
| 14:46.51 | nibbler | since the PR1.1 fw the camera app tells me "camera not found" |
| 14:46.54 | javispedro | potentially some i18n cache file outdated/corrupted/missing |
| 14:47.05 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: .. because we don't resize the partitions to make space? |
| 14:47.07 | javispedro | but I do not think qt translations use cache files.. |
| 14:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: sorry you lost me |
| 14:47.30 | apol_ | javispedro: me neither, we'll se, thank you again! |
| 14:47.45 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i'm lost by what you don't understand :) we put CE in place of harmattan |
| 14:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | that's a cause but no rationale |
| 14:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | AHA |
| 14:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | so installing MOSLO will nuke HARM because the moslo pkg comes bundled with CE |
| 14:48.55 | nibbler | ah. i'm not the only one... (just read backlog) |
| 14:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | I got it now? |
| 14:49.51 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the instructions actually tell you to mkfs.ext4 over the eMMC ( http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950#Write_CE_to_device ) |
| 14:50.05 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: moslo shouldn't nuke harm on it's own, except that it can't boot in secure mode, if you overwrite the rootfs with the USB export thing, of course HARM disappears |
| 14:50.08 | rncbc | currently extracting the ce partition into my n950 rootfs ... |
| 14:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: good, got it now, thanks a lot |
| 14:51.15 | javispedro | that's interesting though =) |
| 14:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | already gathered the "missing" secure mode in moslo |
| 14:51.23 | rncbc | yep, oi'm currently on that very step... write ce to device... done. |
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| 14:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so what's the supposed back-migration path to a clean HARM install? |
| 14:52.47 | dfaure | on a n950 where developer-mode won't install and no software updates seem to be detected, can I still add new repositories? Or do I need a terminal for that? |
| 14:52.49 | javispedro | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950#How_to_remove_MeeGo.2FMoslo_and_restore_Harmattan ;P |
| 14:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | if there is any |
| 14:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :-D |
| 14:54.00 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: reflash it |
| 14:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | just one thing: OCF overwriting MOSLO sounds kinda... :-S |
| 14:54.10 | rncbc | rebooting... awe i see a meego \.3 ce splash screen... |
| 14:54.15 | rncbc | 1.3 |
| 14:54.28 | javispedro | if we assume that what's forbidden is not rootfs downgrade but rather cellmo firmware downgrade like it was on the n900, and as moslo doesn't overwrite cellmo firmware, I bet that flashing moslo doesn't have _any_ effect in whether you can downgrade or upgrade to a given harmattan version |
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| 14:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | ACK |
| 14:55.32 | rncbc | hmmm... then a black screen... |
| 14:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | but a simple reflashing of beta2 should be possible, otherwise BLAME nokia for the new version coming without flasher |
| 14:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | wait, there's no OCF for beta2? |
| 14:55.59 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: beta2+SSU |
| 14:56.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there's OCF for beta2, not for beta3/PR1.1 |
| 14:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | ok, then flashing beta2 OUGHT be possible |
| 14:56.35 | javispedro | rncbc: patience is a virtue! |
| 14:56.41 | rncbc | hmmm. now i get a lake landscape |
| 14:57.49 | rncbc | it doesn't seem to recognize my sim card yet. or is it expected? |
| 14:58.02 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: problem is all these people have been SSUing to beta3/PR1.1, which I guess updates cellmo/hashes/whatever, then got bricked for some reason. There's no beta3/PR1.1 flasher, they can't downgrade to beta2, and thus they're "stuck" |
| 14:58.50 | javispedro | CE will work I think, but it will not make them magically gain the ability to downgrade to beta2. |
| 14:59.02 | javispedro | because "the damage" (the cellmo/hashes/whatever upgrade) is done. |
| 14:59.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | and that's the worst mega fail Nokia possibly could've comitted, about update policy |
| 15:00.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I just can't believe they'd do that evil |
| 15:00.29 | javispedro | probably they want us to test SSUs ;P |
| 15:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | up til now Nokia always understood it's madatory to *first* pubklish image for full flash, then a few days later they cranked up SSU |
| 15:02.23 | javispedro | I could say the same about SDKs and sources |
| 15:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's obvious like sun at day there'll be a shitload of bricked devices otherwise |
| 15:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | and while they *might* shrug about bricking 950-devel-dev loaners, they will get (and earn) massive headache on doing same for N9 sold devices |
| 15:04.17 | javispedro | well... |
| 15:04.21 | javispedro | they are already doing it ;P |
| 15:04.28 | javispedro | there's no OCF for the N9 at all that I know of.. |
| 15:05.39 | rantom | Ouch |
| 15:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | I ponder visiting next Nokia shop and just grin about the trouble they get in, with lusers complaining about bricked N9 and asking for refund |
| 15:06.16 | rantom | So if one would flash CE to N950 now to replace PR1.1 one couldn't downgrade to beta2, no matter what? |
| 15:06.59 | dm8tbr | is there someone who tried? :) |
| 15:07.03 | dm8tbr | all theory is grey |
| 15:07.25 | javispedro | well, I see that Stskeeps added "you can't flash back to Harmattan as there is no OCF for the updated release!!!" to the wikipage today so I guess it's true ;P |
| 15:07.26 | rantom | Guess not |
| 15:07.37 | rantom | ok |
| 15:07.39 | dm8tbr | :) |
| 15:07.56 | rantom | I'll probably wait till 1.1 flasher before trying the CE again in N950.. |
| 15:08.04 | rantom | s/flasher/OCF/ |
| 15:08.05 | javispedro | ep, not today, two days ago, my mistake. |
| 15:09.05 | dm8tbr | rantom: makes sense, I wouldn't have agreed to MOSLO testing without having access to a few images back then |
| 15:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | just cackles on Nokia's exaggerated security policy is biting their own ass now. Was just a matter of time |
| 15:11.07 | rantom | dm8tbr: Yeah. I'll have to keep in mind for future to use the same method. Don't go to new routes unless the backup is available |
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| 15:12.40 | rncbc | ouch. reflashing to beta2 fails still with "downgrade disallowed", after moslo+meego-1.3-ce :( |
| 15:12.57 | javispedro | as said :) |
| 15:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | rncbc: as expected |
| 15:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | rncbc: congrats, you joined the club of customers who "bricked" their device (bricked as in: no way back to beta3, until Nokia publishes proper flasher) |
| 15:14.28 | berndhs | why are downgrades disallowed ? because newer is always better ? |
| 15:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | rncbc: I suggest you return the device and ask for your money back |
| 15:15.21 | javispedro | hah |
| 15:15.29 | rncbc | DocScrutinizer: erm. there was no money involved. this n950 comoe directly from finland via qt ambassador program or w/e |
| 15:15.51 | rantom | rncbc: I think he's kidding |
| 15:15.52 | javispedro | I guess he knows, he's also a member of the club ;P |
| 15:16.43 | javispedro | now you can enjoy CE for a weekend! |
| 15:16.51 | rantom | locks the N950 to a safe place with a post-it "Don't use w/ CE until 1.1 pr OCF available!!" |
| 15:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | rantom: me?? I don't even know what "kidding" means |
| 15:17.04 | javispedro | rantom: the problem is _not_ CE |
| 15:17.10 | javispedro | rantom: the problem is 1.1 |
| 15:17.14 | rncbc | so you all think this is some kind of conspiracy against the n9/n950 ? now that nokia 800 is a damn clone of the n9 but with winphone with it? |
| 15:17.20 | rantom | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 15:17.45 | rantom | javispedro: Yeah. Well I meant that if I install CE now to the device I can't rollback |
| 15:17.59 | rantom | Hence avoid installing it (...don't use with CE) |
| 15:18.03 | javispedro | ah, because you're already in 1.1 |
| 15:18.08 | rantom | Yeah |
| 15:18.10 | dm8tbr | rncbc: not really, people who install moslo are not mainstream |
| 15:18.13 | Venemo | ~seen wazd |
| 15:18.23 | infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 17h 36m 50s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. |
| 15:18.23 | Venemo | ~seen TheBootroo |
| 15:18.23 | infobot | thebootroo <58b60b72@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.182.11.114> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 27d 21h 10m 31s ago, saying: '(we already a'. |
| 15:18.32 | Venemo | eh! |
| 15:19.37 | javispedro | rncbc: I do think there's a conspiracy, but not here |
| 15:19.48 | rantom | Maybe I should really lock the device to some closet for now |
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| 15:21.16 | rantom | I don't want to accidentally brick my N9 (reference to yesterday: I can't always tell apart my N9 from N950. ATM that could be quite disastrous, if I'd be stupid enough to try and downgrade to beta2, though I'm aware of the situation) |
| 15:21.23 | javispedro | the "conspiracy" will play when the nokia 800's msrp is announced |
| 15:21.31 | javispedro | if it's any lower than the n9... |
| 15:21.45 | rantom | Then we could rollback to WinPhone7? :D |
| 15:21.50 | rncbc | javispedro: aha. if only this meego ce could make phone calls... it still doesnt seem to recognize the sim card, is that expected too? |
| 15:21.52 | rantom | "here's the 1.1 OCF" |
| 15:22.29 | rantom | rncbc: I think that's the bug that I've encountered aswell. It might work but the icons are wrong |
| 15:22.44 | javispedro | rncbc: no idea, maybe #meego-arm knows... |
| 15:22.48 | rantom | rncbc: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23371 |
| 15:22.50 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 23371 nor, Undecided, ---, miroslav.safr, RESO FIXED, [CE] No connectivity icons in System UI. |
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| 15:24.26 | javispedro | btw, developers.nokia.com/bugs does not seem to send emails |
| 15:24.35 | rantom | rncbc: But yeah, #meego-arm for MeeGo CE |
| 15:24.41 | rncbc | ah. everything a do in this meego ce thing is a surprise. now it behaves different whether one has the charged plugged in or not.... hmmm this can be fun ... :) |
| 15:24.44 | javispedro | at least to me, so check your bugs manually, I've been positively surprised on at least one... |
| 15:25.46 | rncbc | charger |
| 15:27.22 | rncbc | nope. this thing doesn't do phone calls. lets hear if it receives one... |
| 15:27.53 | Stskeeps | pre-alpha for n950 :P |
| 15:30.38 | rncbc | nope again. it doesn't ring either and sim really looks like its unconnected. icons tell the truth here in this meego ce |
| 15:32.30 | rncbc | ok. im thru for today. any1 knows when beta3 will be thrown out? |
| 15:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: how's N950 cellmo/cmtspeech different from N900's? |
| 15:33.02 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no clue |
| 15:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 15:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | ISI might differ a bit |
| 15:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | as the BB5 obviously can do more than N900 cellmo |
| 15:34.16 | javispedro | did I tell already that my VGA exploded and that I'm booting VGAless thanks to my DisplayLink device and Linux's udlfb? :D |
| 15:34.27 | javispedro | but that I can't play games so I'm bored senseless. |
| 15:34.41 | javispedro | but after a week of work I don't want to code eitherway. |
| 15:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | exploded? was it a plasmascreen? ;-P |
| 15:35.03 | javispedro | worse, it was an nvidia gpu! |
| 15:35.28 | javispedro | they do quite hot.. |
| 15:35.31 | javispedro | *get |
| 15:35.55 | slaine | We use those Displaylink's on our devices to add a second screen/keyboard/mouse, pretty cool |
| 15:36.13 | javispedro | I'm using as _main_ output device and I can't virtually notice the difference |
| 15:36.18 | javispedro | so frigging impressive |
| 15:36.37 | javispedro | (well, I _can_ detect that swrast is slow as molasses, but that's not displaylink's fault...) |
| 15:37.16 | slaine | I've it driving a 1680x1050 display atm, no lag for general desktop usage, really impressive is right |
| 15:37.26 | javispedro | same resolution here |
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| 15:51.08 | lardman | Anyone know of a map widget in QML? |
| 15:51.13 | javispedro | "Map" |
| 15:51.30 | lardman | ah, /me reads the manual |
| 15:51.39 | javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qml-map.html |
| 15:52.02 | lardman | thanks, no clue how I missed that |
| 15:52.09 | lardman | perhaps not looking at the QtM docs |
| 15:52.10 | javispedro | seemingly the drive & map builtin apps use their own map widget though, and for some reason it is exposed to other qml applications.... without documentation |
| 15:52.36 | lardman | oh right, well the Map one will do for the time being |
| 15:52.50 | javispedro | I ponder if it would be OK license-wise to use that "other" documentation-less widget, it has many more features |
| 15:52.51 | lardman | always time to tune later on once I have something vaguely useful working |
| 15:53.08 | javispedro | (including directions, etc.) |
| 15:54.05 | lardman | hmm, directions might be useful, will have to check and see if anyone has come up with directions in a QR code |
| 15:54.17 | lardman | am just dealing with plain geo: atm |
| 15:54.35 | javispedro | guess plain map 's completely fine for that |
| 15:54.48 | javispedro | ah |
| 15:54.51 | javispedro | it is online only :( |
| 15:55.04 | javispedro | or at least I couldn't get it to work in offlinemode... |
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| 15:56.44 | razvanpetru | was anyone able to download the QtDD app? |
| 15:58.23 | lardman | wonders about being able to upgrade |
| 15:58.38 | javispedro | lardman: I wouldn't upgrade for the time being |
| 15:59.19 | lardman | I can't, so that's probably not a bad thing ;) |
| 15:59.24 | lardman | won't let me |
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| 16:15.19 | gri | razvanpetru: I have the old version installed, can't update it |
| 16:17.18 | npm | lardman: let me know if you figure out how to make the plain qml map work offline or be able to cache enough of a map while online to be usefil |
| 16:17.23 | npm | s/fil/ful |
| 16:20.04 | lardman | npm: Sure thing, will let you know how I get on |
| 16:20.21 | lardman | can't one set Map to use offline maps only? |
| 16:21.06 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.41 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.57 | npm | this is re // NOTE: on "nokia" plugin. offline and hybrid connectivity mode for maps is not implemented. |
| 16:22.06 | npm | cut/pastes his comments |
| 16:22.24 | lardman | oh |
| 16:22.38 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.50 | lardman | ah well I may have to pester javispedro for the name and any other info about the component used by the official Maps app then |
| 16:23.13 | npm | if you find out pls let me know |
| 16:23.29 | npm | i'm trying to make my app both portable and useful |
| 16:23.50 | npm | and i've already got more switches in there than a railway station |
| 16:23.50 | javispedro | <javispedro> it is online only :( |
| 16:23.50 | javispedro | <javispedro> or at least I couldn't get it to work in offlinemode... |
| 16:23.51 | javispedro | ;P |
| 16:23.57 | SpeedEvil | you can tell maps to get maps |
| 16:24.00 | lardman | ah |
| 16:24.05 | SpeedEvil | gear thingy, then ... |
| 16:24.07 | javispedro | the "other" widget I am yet to try, though |
| 16:24.19 | lardman | yeah it was the other one I was thinking of |
| 16:24.30 | npm | yes, the other |
| 16:24.31 | lardman | ah well, /me moves onto vCards and iCal now anyway |
| 16:24.40 | javispedro | it is accessible via "import MapsPlugin 1.0" |
| 16:24.43 | javispedro | as said, no docs. |
| 16:24.49 | javispedro | and potentially dangerous license-wise. |
| 16:24.52 | SpeedEvil | "..." manage maps -> |
| 16:25.11 | npm | does it have similar API, or totally different |
| 16:25.31 | lardman | can one inspect the MapsPlugin provider? |
| 16:26.03 | javispedro | I don't think so, but you can expect the drive app source in /usr/lib/drive-qml ;P |
| 16:26.10 | javispedro | s/expect/inspect |
| 16:26.15 | lardman | cool |
| 16:26.26 | javispedro | rather largish, so not very cool :P |
| 16:26.38 | npm | i.e. can you stick mapimages all over it? |
| 16:26.58 | javispedro | npm: I have no idea; no docs -- assumedly it can do anything the drive app can do. |
| 16:27.10 | npm | ok, well not this release.. |
| 16:27.14 | npm | :-) |
| 16:27.33 | javispedro | I have my doubts it'll change |
| 16:29.08 | javispedro | for ex. I'm quite sure you can use MapsPlugin to get a watermarkless version of the map |
| 16:29.21 | javispedro | which is why I was saying I'm not sure if license-wise it is ok to use. |
| 16:29.47 | npm | thanks for warning. |
| 16:30.42 | npm | for me, it would be sufficient to give some kind of bounding box of gps coords and preload the map into that area, at a variety of resolutions |
| 16:30.54 | npm | while online |
| 16:31.37 | npm | seems like it would be a common use case since people may not want to pay for downloading maps while "on the road" |
| 16:31.48 | javispedro | I agree. |
| 16:32.06 | lardman | +1 here too |
| 16:32.30 | lardman | it would be even nicer if we could directly access the renderer |
| 16:32.42 | javispedro | as usual, it is also saddening they have this over-featured qml widget readily available for the builtin apps, and for the public API a barebones widget that is virtually not better than just accessing google maps via the web api |
| 16:32.50 | npm | seems like it should be a standard feature for qt mobilotu, but just having it on harmattan as part of api would be good too |
| 16:33.00 | npm | s/mobility |
| 16:33.02 | npm | ... |
| 16:33.08 | npm | spastic |
| 16:33.37 | lardman | javispedro: funny you say that, I was just looking at the Android docs, and they are at least an order of magnitude better than the Qt stuff |
| 16:34.33 | npm | sounds like a good reason to put some weight behind the feature request. |
| 16:34.52 | javispedro | npm: is there a developer.nokia.com/bugs bug for this? |
| 16:34.55 | javispedro | I'd vote |
| 16:35.08 | npm | don't know |
| 16:35.47 | npm | the links i posted seem to have some length so perhaps there's more there |
| 16:35.55 | lardman | not sure a generic "docs aren't good enough" ticket it very useful |
| 16:36.17 | npm | no i meant just the mapping api vs google html5 intfc |
| 16:36.21 | lardman | unless the doc writers know what they are being compared against |
| 16:36.47 | lardman | oh, I wasn't just talking about Android mapping, the whole shebang |
| 16:37.21 | npm | other than having a cool 2-view model that updates on top of maps, i'm not sure there's an advantage to qml maps over http://code.google.com/p/qtzibit/ |
| 16:37.39 | npm | s/than/than my |
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| 16:51.44 | CepiPerez | hello all |
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| 17:23.05 | sivang | hi all |
| 17:23.43 | javispedro | hi sivang |
| 17:23.56 | sivang | does anybody know how to prevent mutiple checkins of a location (e.g. point as lon/lat) when gps cords change minimally when for instance, 3 people report the same close location |
| 17:24.00 | sivang | ? |
| 17:24.02 | sivang | hey javispedro |
| 17:24.08 | sivang | so if I have an event, |
| 17:24.24 | sivang | and I'm the first one to "report" it to a backend that stores it in a GIS enabled db (PostGIS) |
| 17:24.45 | sivang | and someone else comes and wants to report the same place, if it is an outdoors event or a large pub, then cords might change, |
| 17:25.01 | sivang | still for the second person I need to tell him to add his checking to the first one, rather than allowing hime to add a new place |
| 17:25.10 | sivang | has anyone a clue how location based services do that? |
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| 17:25.51 | faenil | just check if coords are close one to each other? |
| 17:26.05 | faenil | or ask the user |
| 17:26.23 | faenil | "we found this event near your positiong, are you there? if Yes, select,if No, create new place" |
| 17:28.04 | SpeedEvil | sivang: GPS may be quite inaccurate some of the time. |
| 17:28.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS |
| 17:28.27 | SpeedEvil | As an example. |
| 17:28.54 | SpeedEvil | 5% of the time, it's over 20m out from the real position. |
| 17:29.23 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so how did foursquare made it to become such an mosterous venture? |
| 17:29.34 | SpeedEvil | err - 1%, I mean |
| 17:29.50 | SpeedEvil | Most of the time, it's more accurate. |
| 17:29.56 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I also have no clue how the client there works, do you know if it automaically checks you into an existing place of the current location is not yet "named" ? |
| 17:30.05 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 17:30.10 | sivang | never had an iPhone |
| 17:30.21 | javispedro | maybe they used a real points-of-interest database? |
| 17:30.21 | sivang | this is the only time I wish I had an iphone next to me, to see how the client works there |
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| 17:30.29 | sivang | javispedro: what does that mean? |
| 17:30.50 | javispedro | a preexisting database of "places"? |
| 17:30.54 | sivang | javispedro: even when you query a "real" POI db from google or facebook (and they have quite quality ones) |
| 17:31.09 | sivang | javispedro: you get a strict cordinate as far as I can understand |
| 17:31.10 | sivang | now |
| 17:31.16 | sivang | I can test within a radios |
| 17:31.43 | sivang | however, given a radios, part of the radio may be in the "visinity" of the location and part of it could be a different place already if they are close on the street etc |
| 17:31.51 | javispedro | I don't think there's much more than that... maybe a bit of logic if you have street map so that you can "guess" the area of the POI, etc. |
| 17:32.09 | javispedro | but I do not think any of those apps is really known for its precision. |
| 17:32.17 | alterego | javispedro: unsure yet wrt Nokia World |
| 17:32.32 | alterego | I have @nokiadeveloper chasing me up a ticket. |
| 17:32.35 | javispedro | alterego: hah! bastard! =) |
| 17:32.35 | sivang | javispedro: interesting. |
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| 17:32.48 | sivang | javispedro: I need an foursquare user or just go over their api |
| 17:32.52 | sivang | and see what they do there |
| 17:32.58 | javispedro | alterego: good luck either way =) |
| 17:34.17 | sivang | alterego: perhaps you have an idea? |
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| 17:35.35 | SpeedEvil | There was a maemo foursquare client I think |
| 17:36.01 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/fourcircle/ |
| 17:36.03 | SpeedEvil | read that |
| 17:36.20 | sivang | SpeedEvil: thanks, opening |
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| 17:36.30 | javispedro | quite sure foursquare gets the coordinates via webapi then does the logic behind closed doors |
| 17:36.42 | javispedro | the raw coordinates are quite valuable information, they'd be crazy not to get them =) |
| 17:37.10 | sivang | javispedro: true, funny is that now they sell their db as if they started it all |
| 17:37.13 | sivang | javispedro: from venues |
| 17:37.26 | sivang | javispedro: as in, they act as originator of their own db and data set |
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| 17:38.27 | sivang | SpeedEvil: is there a version for N950? |
| 17:38.47 | SpeedEvil | sivang: I have no idea |
| 17:39.07 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall seeing one in the ovi store, but I'm not willing to reach out and grab my n950 to check. |
| 17:39.11 | Hq` | 2A taa hhhqn erminaAlia |
| 17:39.13 | SpeedEvil | That would involve getting out of bed. |
| 17:39.51 | sivang | SpeedEvil: stay in bed, I am seriously considering getting into it soon |
| 17:40.03 | sivang | is exhausted from a day full of geodjango and Geo learning |
| 17:40.22 | Elleo | sivang: into SpeedEvil's bed :o |
| 17:40.54 | faenil | is checking Nokia Store for sivang |
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| 17:43.06 | sivang | Elleo: was a matter of a time until someone'd pick up to that , I counted sliently |
| 17:43.19 | faenil | there's FOURSQUARE FOR MEEGO, 4squick beta, and that's it |
| 17:43.44 | Elleo | sivang: glad to have lived down to your expectations |
| 17:44.05 | ieatlint | there's an official foursquare app for harmattan |
| 17:46.06 | sivang | faenil: yeah, I'm twitting to 4squick now to ask them for source or helop |
| 17:48.31 | sivang | Elleo: :) |
| 17:48.44 | sivang | is there an open source fsquare client ? |
| 17:48.49 | sivang | for maemo |
| 17:48.50 | sivang | ? |
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| 17:54.16 | SpeedEvil | sivang: See above link |
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| 17:57.29 | sivang | SpeedEvil: right, I'll download the source, thanks |
| 17:57.52 | sivang | faenil: there's an sivang app there? |
| 17:57.55 | sivang | LOL |
| 17:58.14 | faenil | ? XD |
| 17:58.18 | sivang | I'm just being silly |
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| 17:58.33 | sivang | I'm tried of all the django and qml work of today, so many experiments no real result |
| 17:58.41 | faenil | xD |
| 17:58.42 | sivang | but I have my models half way done at leasT! |
| 17:59.06 | djszapi | hi sivang and faenil and Venemo |
| 17:59.06 | faenil | good |
| 17:59.14 | faenil | hey djszapi! |
| 17:59.26 | faenil | is it cold in Munich? there's a -5° minimum there today! |
| 17:59.29 | djszapi | qtopenal to inqlude is on the way ... |
| 17:59.37 | djszapi | munich -> shirt outside :)) |
| 17:59.43 | faenil | wooot |
| 17:59.43 | djszapi | extremely hot. |
| 17:59.55 | faenil | u joking right? or forecasts are screwed xD |
| 18:00.06 | djszapi | well I am a penguin then |
| 18:00.21 | faenil | wait |
| 18:00.21 | djszapi | but I was outside in shirt during the daytime |
| 18:00.27 | faenil | it was 16° during the day |
| 18:00.39 | faenil | but it should reach -5 during the night ;) |
| 18:00.59 | djszapi | well, I was frozen in Helsinki before the flight with a /very/ warm jumper and jacket :) |
| 18:01.20 | faenil | :D |
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| 18:01.32 | djszapi | Nokia rocks :) |
| 18:01.56 | faenil | xD |
| 18:02.53 | sivang | hey djszapi |
| 18:03.08 | sivang | djszapi: Ofcourse they rock, isn't the Munich office nice? :) |
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| 18:03.34 | djszapi | sivang: very nice, and they care about us a lot for free :) |
| 18:03.41 | sivang | regrest not being to attend Dev Dyas |
| 18:03.42 | djszapi | nice they support Qt and KDE that muc. |
| 18:03.43 | djszapi | much* |
| 18:03.45 | sivang | Days |
| 18:04.15 | gri | faenil: I feel cold here and munich is about the same weather |
| 18:05.00 | sivang | djszapi: let's hope there would be much inqlude work there, do you know which libs are set to enter the repo? |
| 18:05.12 | djszapi | I am working on QtOpenAL |
| 18:05.20 | djszapi | http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=scratch%2Flpapp%2Fqtopenal.git&a=summary |
| 18:06.59 | sivang | djszapi: nice |
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| 18:11.23 | gri | djszapi: are you already in muc? |
| 18:12.05 | djszapi | yeah from this very early morning |
| 18:12.15 | djszapi | we have a Gluon/KDE Sprint here. |
| 18:13.46 | gri | which hotel are you in? |
| 18:14.05 | djszapi | letomotel for 2 days .. |
| 18:14.12 | djszapi | then some different, cannot recall its name. |
| 18:14.32 | djszapi | one of the mentioned hotel on the qt ddd page. |
| 18:14.33 | djszapi | dd* |
| 18:15.25 | gri | ok :) |
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| 18:28.31 | faenil | gri: quick question, what's the power plug like over there? :D |
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| 18:35.27 | faenil | gri? :P |
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| 18:45.23 | rcg | faenil: power plug for germany? |
| 18:45.33 | faenil | yes |
| 18:45.36 | rcg | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuko |
| 18:45.44 | rcg | thats the most frequently used one |
| 18:45.51 | rcg | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europastecker |
| 18:45.58 | rcg | but you may also find these sometimes |
| 18:47.13 | faenil | eurostecker is the one used in italy till 20 years ago :) |
| 18:47.31 | faenil | Schuko, we have that only for things that require much power... i.e. not my notebook :( |
| 18:49.09 | faenil | rcg: thanks ;) |
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| 18:49.44 | faenil | rcg: thanks ;) |
| 18:49.48 | rcg | err.. sorry.. hit the wrong button |
| 18:49.52 | rcg | np :) |
| 18:50.05 | faenil | hehheeheh |
| 18:50.23 | rcg | well, all my notebooks, netbooks etc use the schuko thing here |
| 18:50.35 | faenil | ok :) |
| 18:50.57 | rcg | charger for cellphone typically is europastecker |
| 18:52.53 | faenil | I see... |
| 18:52.59 | faenil | most used here is |
| 18:53.10 | faenil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adapted_schuko.jpg |
| 18:53.18 | faenil | the one on the left |
| 18:53.52 | gri | sorry, was eating (and drinking wine) |
| 18:54.09 | hiemanshu | you shouldn't be drinking and IRCing |
| 18:54.22 | faenil | gri: np ;) |
| 18:54.32 | gri | hiemanshu: well, I could stop with one :) |
| 18:54.42 | gri | I'd stay with the wine :P |
| 18:54.46 | hiemanshu | gri: wine > IRC |
| 18:55.00 | rcg | faenil: ic |
| 18:55.12 | gri | faenil: don't we have the same power plugs as you? |
| 18:55.22 | rcg | well.. food and wine doesnt sound too bad ;) |
| 18:55.36 | faenil | we have schuko |
| 18:55.54 | faenil | but it's not used for little things |
| 18:56.05 | faenil | I have it on my desktop |
| 18:57.26 | gri | never knew any names of those plugs |
| 18:58.20 | gri | for little things we have this http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Euro-Flachstecker_2.jpg&filetimestamp=20100122183156 which fits in the plug name Schuko |
| 18:59.13 | faenil | we had that 20 years ago |
| 18:59.15 | faenil | yeah I know |
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| 18:59.27 | faenil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ita_plug_16A_10A.jpg |
| 18:59.31 | faenil | that is the most widespread now |
| 18:59.45 | gri | never seen that :P |
| 18:59.53 | faenil | :) |
| 19:00.27 | gri | so do you have plans for sunday or not? |
| 19:00.41 | faenil | we usually have a schuko -> ita plug adapter |
| 19:00.44 | faenil | but not viceversa :D |
| 19:02.25 | faenil | gri: don't knwo.. |
| 19:02.33 | faenil | probably joining KDE Sprints.. |
| 19:02.39 | faenil | but don't know if I can :) |
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| 19:07.13 | gri | well, djszapi is there right now :) |
| 19:13.07 | gri | so if you have nothing todo, I could come earlier on sunday to munich. If you've got already some enternainment, I'll just go there at the evening :) |
| 19:13.32 | gri | (ignore the spelling errors, this is the wine) |
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| 19:15.53 | antman8969 | has anyone else lost root access and the ability to customize the swype direction actions when doing the update a few days ago? |
| 19:17.02 | mgedmin | antman8969, ssh to root is reported not to work on the latest n950 firmware, but you can still use devel-su to gain root |
| 19:17.10 | faenil | gri: I'm free on sunday XD lol |
| 19:17.28 | mgedmin | the changelog says that "swipe down to close" is no longer customizable |
| 19:17.29 | faenil | Pizza man is here, cya later guys :D |
| 19:17.50 | antman8969 | odd, and as for the not being able to customize what screen you end up on after swiping mgedmin? |
| 19:17.53 | mgedmin | I'm not sure what that means to swipe direction customization, if you do that with a 3rd-party app or edit the config file directly |
| 19:18.02 | mgedmin | I was unable to upgrade my n950 for unknown reasons |
| 19:18.38 | antman8969 | thats unfortunate |
| 19:18.58 | antman8969 | yea the config file and the third party app are still there, but there seems to be no effect on the UI |
| 19:19.12 | antman8969 | also didn't realize they installed Swype text input |
| 19:20.58 | gri | mgedmin: http://twitter.com/#!/ahfaeroey/status/126666135348318209 |
| 19:21.24 | gri | this indicates it's still possible to change the swipe settings |
| 19:21.38 | gri | the way just seems to have changed |
| 19:22.04 | antman8969 | good find... |
| 19:22.09 | antman8969 | hmm |
| 19:22.44 | mgedmin | <irony>the latest N950 firmware was supposed to make it _more like_ a N9</irony> |
| 19:22.53 | antman8969 | lol |
| 19:22.57 | mgedmin | N9 has an option for "swipe down to close app" right there in the settings app |
| 19:23.18 | gri | the n950 HAD this setting |
| 19:23.44 | mgedmin | in beta2? |
| 19:23.48 | gri | yes |
| 19:23.51 | antman8969 | yea |
| 19:23.54 | mgedmin | perhaps, I've used beta2 for like one day |
| 19:24.03 | mgedmin | and I was busy that day :) |
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| 19:26.19 | hiemanshu | antman8969: apt-get install gof2 nfsshift, for the games |
| 19:26.41 | antman8969 | games? |
| 19:27.03 | hiemanshu | yeah, they are a part of PR 1.1, they aren't in the OTA, but will be in the flasher |
| 19:27.20 | antman8969 | downloading now... thx |
| 19:27.28 | antman8969 | pretty big |
| 19:27.31 | hiemanshu | should be 220M or so |
| 19:27.32 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 19:28.22 | antman8969 | is that in the osa.list repo for apt? |
| 19:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Interesting |
| 19:28.46 | SpeedEvil | It installs (well - starts to download) without the new version |
| 19:29.04 | antman8969 | lol hopefully a good thing... |
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| 19:42.16 | gri | never liked to play racing games with the accelerometer |
| 19:53.35 | GeneralAntilles | Does anything interesting happen in #tizen? |
| 19:54.00 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:54.08 | RST38h | was that a rhetoric question? |
| 19:54.43 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: ofc, they are all talking about Obj-C |
| 19:54.45 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 19:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, mostly. |
| 19:55.18 | GeneralAntilles | By "interesting" I guess I mostly mean "popcorn-worthy". |
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| 20:16.51 | doomdog | ~moo |
| 20:16.52 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 20:16.59 | doomdog | night all |
| 20:19.11 | doomdog | any way to persuade music player to include /home/user when it builds its lists? |
| 20:20.28 | doomdog | or maybe there is another player altogether that we can install? (mplayer is currently uninstallable/broken) |
| 20:21.12 | javispedro | remember that /home/user counts towards the /home partition limit (there's way less space there than on MyDocs) |
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| 20:21.59 | javispedro | but if you want mediaplayer to look into a folder there, you can add it to the list in ~/.config/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.cfg |
| 20:23.49 | doomdog | great, I'll try that, thanks javispedro |
| 20:24.48 | doomdog | btw, there is too much free space in /home and I don't see it filling up naturally any time soon, so I'm gonna put some music in there ;) |
| 20:25.04 | javispedro | thinks you shouldn't, but hey... |
| 20:25.16 | doomdog | shht, don't tell anyone |
| 20:26.39 | javispedro | meanwhile, I've been trying pocketsphinx on my n950. I said "hello" and pocketsphinx recognized "fifteen blonde colleagues", still on the floor laughing... |
| 20:36.07 | M4rtinK | javispedro: well, thats really bad :) |
| 20:36.52 | M4rtinK | I would like to use it for simple voice commands in my navigation application |
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| 20:37.17 | javispedro | seemingly there is a bug in the pulseaudio capture module |
| 20:37.22 | M4rtinK | but I wonder how usable would it be like this :) |
| 20:37.39 | javispedro | src/libsphinxad/ad_pulse.c:60 , sample rate is hardcoded |
| 20:38.02 | javispedro | M4rtinK: theoretically smaller vocabulary --> less errors. |
| 20:38.32 | M4rtinK | "search nearest cafe" -> "searching a fastest route by foot to Sevastopol" :) |
| 20:39.19 | M4rtinK | well, I haven't actually done any testing yet |
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| 20:39.51 | javispedro | suddenly I feel the need to try to do some voice recognition demo |
| 20:40.17 | faenil | javispedro: :) we have nothing like that on harm? |
| 20:40.20 | javispedro | btw the webapi used by android as well as chrome for voice recognition is available around |
| 20:40.30 | faenil | wow... |
| 20:40.52 | javispedro | faenil: no |
| 20:41.33 | faenil | ok.. |
| 20:41.42 | faenil | that would be very useful :) |
| 20:41.52 | faenil | like some voice recognizer for sms handling |
| 20:41.55 | faenil | or emails.. |
| 20:42.07 | faenil | like WP Mango's |
| 20:42.11 | javispedro | dictation? |
| 20:42.15 | javispedro | every other platform has it |
| 20:42.31 | faenil | yes |
| 20:42.32 | javispedro | suddenly realizes that I still have some knowledge of maliit... hum... |
| 20:42.39 | faenil | but pronounciation is not that good |
| 20:43.36 | faenil | and, on Android, at least by default |
| 20:43.45 | faenil | you can't do everything handfree |
| 20:44.32 | faenil | (talking about sms) |
| 20:44.42 | javispedro | dictation != control |
| 20:44.59 | javispedro | control is pretty much impossible in harmattan, due to lack of accessibility stuff in qml |
| 20:45.15 | javispedro | (seemingly fixed in qt quick 2...) |
| 20:46.15 | faenil | well, let's do it without qml :D |
| 20:46.53 | javispedro | I mean controlling a QML application is hard |
| 20:47.03 | faenil | ok |
| 20:47.10 | javispedro | there's no e.g. tag you can use to mark a QML element as a "button" |
| 20:47.25 | javispedro | semantically |
| 20:47.30 | faenil | yeah.. |
| 20:48.06 | faenil | well but once you have voice recognition...you could just hardcode things...you don't need it to recognize that it's a button |
| 20:48.37 | faenil | if you listen this, open that page.. |
| 20:48.49 | javispedro | aha, pocketsphinx much better with the sample rate fix |
| 20:49.15 | faenil | great :) |
| 20:49.45 | javispedro | (still "laughable" though.... but I'm trying the spanish model, which is much smaller than the english one..) |
| 20:49.57 | faenil | XD |
| 20:50.18 | faenil | why did they hardcode the sample rate? |
| 20:50.45 | gri | faenil: when does you train leave? 18:00? |
| 20:51.09 | faenil | nope my fault, it's not 12hours |
| 20:51.29 | gri | less? |
| 20:53.43 | faenil | it leaves at 19:30, arrives at 20:30 |
| 20:53.46 | faenil | then another train |
| 20:54.49 | faenil | which leaves at 21:50, arrives at 06:30 |
| 20:55.40 | gri | ok |
| 20:56.07 | gri | just wanted to know when you leave tomorrow since I'm tired now and will go to bed :) |
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| 20:58.41 | gri | so good night :) |
| 20:59.03 | faenil | good night ;) |
| 21:01.28 | faenil | javispedro: any clue about why they hardcoded the sampling rate? |
| 21:02.26 | javispedro | faenil: nope, as said, it seems to work |
| 21:02.32 | javispedro | I'm using a snapshot version, so... |
| 21:03.06 | faenil | oh ok ;) |
| 21:04.57 | faenil | good night people :) |
| 21:05.01 | javispedro | cya faenil |
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| 22:14.24 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 22:14.38 | jesuschrist | where to buy the n99999 |
| 22:14.39 | jesuschrist | ahhhh |
| 22:15.24 | jesuschrist | anyone got a n9 already? |
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| 22:24.22 | jesuschrist | guys, any advise on where to buy the n9 |
| 22:26.00 | hardaker | search froogle for it? |
| 22:26.02 | hardaker | http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+n9&tbm=shop&hl=en&aq=f |
| 22:26.18 | jesuschrist | thanks cpt. obvious |
| 22:26.37 | jesuschrist | should you remember me to breath too ? because i could forget |
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