| 00:02.59 | toninikkanen | my armpits are all sweaty from all that developers developers ranting |
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| 00:13.00 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess ill ask again |
| 00:13.02 | Sazpaimon_ | i wonder, has anyone tried to make a maemo 5 chroot environment for harmattan? |
| 00:13.04 | Sazpaimon_ | using that modified harmattan kernel with aegis restrictions lifted |
| 00:14.12 | Sazpaimon_ | also i cant seem to access my data network anymore |
| 00:14.44 | Sazpaimon_ | could it be related to the sdk connectivity update |
| 00:14.44 | SpeedEvil | It's a different ABI |
| 00:14.50 | SpeedEvil | Floating point stuff will crash |
| 00:14.56 | Sazpaimon_ | special, a chroot should work around that |
| 00:15.03 | Sazpaimon_ | because its loading a different libc |
| 00:15.15 | Sazpaimon_ | the maemo 5 libc |
| 00:16.19 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess ill give it a try |
| 00:26.23 | rafael2k | people, how to click an arrow key on N9 terminal |
| 00:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | how's kernel related to chroot? |
| 00:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | aaah allowing to chroot you need open mode, yes |
| 00:37.37 | Sazpaimon_ | isnt that kernel posted in the forum basically what allows that |
| 00:37.46 | Sazpaimon_ | in the "Nokia and Aegis" thread |
| 00:38.59 | Sazpaimon_ | also does that "write once" thing when you flash remove aegis have any truth to it? |
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| 00:56.31 | Sazpaimon_ | like, if i flasg my kernel now, will I not be able to get PR1.1, or go back to stock kernel |
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| 01:06.29 | faenil | back :D |
| 01:06.38 | faenil | installed Mint LMDE and QtSdk 1.1.4 :D |
| 01:07.31 | Sazpaimon_ | seriously though Id like to know before i flash this kernel if it will leave me with no way back to vanilla harmatan |
| 01:07.36 | Sazpaimon_ | or even upgrade to pr1.1 |
| 01:19.47 | rafael2k | people, have anyone put in a repo the fremantle gtk compiled for harmattan? |
| 01:20.17 | Sazpaimon_ | theres a gtk package |
| 01:20.38 | Sazpaimon_ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/ |
| 01:23.03 | rafael2k | thanks |
| 01:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: aiui you can flash to clean HARM as long as you have a image file that's not older than most recent version of OS that ever got installed on device |
| 01:26.05 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, so the write-once claim is completely baseless |
| 01:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | for mere flashing of kernel that might not apply though, as the version of "the image" (which seems to be actually a number of distinct files) is not directly locked to kernel version which seems hasn't changed from latest "image" to most recent OTA update 40-4 |
| 01:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what you mean by "write once claim" |
| 01:27.13 | Sazpaimon_ | nokia has stated that flashing to open mode or meego proper is a one way street |
| 01:27.18 | Sazpaimon_ | meaning you can't go back |
| 01:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | also please note that I had disclaimer "as I understand it" in post above - you better ask somebody else to get an binding answer |
| 01:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, where did Nokia say this? |
| 01:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | also note that for all we know a flag "waranty void" gets permanently set when you flash a custom kernel |
| 01:30.01 | Sazpaimon_ | my warranty is void anyway |
| 01:30.13 | Sazpaimon_ | or rather, i have no warranty *to* void |
| 01:34.51 | rafael2k | great! |
| 01:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | and the "one way claim" maybe was meant about there's no way back to secure mode from a rootfs messed with in open mode, which makes kinda sense in that you probably need to flash the rootfs as well, and in that moment you're definitely screwed when you updated to PR1.1 OTA and your image is PR1.0 -> "downgrade not allowed" |
| 01:36.22 | rafael2k | thanks people |
| 01:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: lemme put it this way: prior to trying to flash an open mode kernel, you should probably try to reflash device to HARM proper. If that works prior to installing a cutome kernel, then it will most likely work to revert from that custom kernel as well later on |
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| 01:39.15 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, I dont know if there's a full image for my device |
| 01:39.23 | Sazpaimon_ | or rather, my device version |
| 01:39.34 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm using the austrailian version, which I think is 299 |
| 01:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | that's exactly the problem though |
| 01:41.04 | rafael2k | what is the apt line for the martink gtk people? |
| 01:41.12 | rafael2k | where |
| 01:44.03 | Sazpaimon_ | rafael2k, just make a new file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 01:44.59 | Sazpaimon_ | it should be "deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/MartinK:/gtk/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./" |
| 01:46.07 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, let me check with navifirm before i do anything |
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| 01:54.22 | Sazpaimon_ | also why cant the device just be flashed with global firmware |
| 01:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | I dunno if it can or can't |
| 01:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | if it can't then because your certificates/tokens stored there somewhere in TPM or CAL or cmt don't match the firmware |
| 02:01.22 | Sazpaimon_ | there appear to be two different firmware sets for my product code |
| 02:02.10 | Sazpaimon_ | one is 10.2011.34-1.299.1 and the other is 10.2011.34-1.299.4 |
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| 02:11.54 | Sazpaimon_ | okay 10.2011.34-1.299.4 is PR1.1 |
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| 02:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure about that? |
| 02:35.53 | faenil | I installed qtskd on a debian based distro, but it's nowhere in the applications categories... :O |
| 02:36.23 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah |
| 02:36.42 | Sazpaimon_ | according to www.nokia.com.au/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n9 |
| 02:37.01 | Sazpaimon_ | or rather http://www.nokia.com.au/support/product-support/device-software-update?n9= |
| 02:37.12 | Sazpaimon_ | Latest software release for Nokia N9 is 20.2011.40-4 |
| 02:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/Nokia_N950_PR11_Release_Notes_v39_5_en.txt |
| 02:40.38 | Sazpaimon_ | well either way, this is the version that I want |
| 02:41.17 | Sazpaimon_ | and 39.5 isnt even showing in navifirm |
| 02:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | Changes from Nokia N950 Beta 2 (34-2) to Nokia N950 PR1.1 (39-5) |
| 02:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 02:42.04 | Sazpaimon_ | like i said, 39-5 isnt even showing in navifirm |
| 02:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but the current OTA SSU N9 verson is 40-4 (iirc) and *that* is attributed to be _very_ close to N950 39-5 and thus PR1.1, while 34* seems to me is PR1.0 on N9 and called beta1 on N950 |
| 02:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.1 |
| 02:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | and that'S btw exactly the problem with current OTA SSU, there is no compatible fiasco image to unbrick, as you'll see "downgrade not allowed" when you try to flash with that image of yours on a N9 that has been updated to 40-4 |
| 02:47.57 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont get this, I havent seen an issue like this with symbian handsets |
| 02:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | also see /topic, we had exactly same problem with 39-5 for quite some time, thus >> |NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ |<< |
| 02:48.20 | Sazpaimon_ | i also cant even apt-get update on my N9 |
| 02:48.38 | Sazpaimon_ | W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/299/./Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 404 |
| 02:48.43 | SpeedEvil | apt-get update has bricked n900s in the past. |
| 02:48.54 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: apt-get upgrade |
| 02:48.56 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:48.58 | SpeedEvil | doh |
| 02:48.59 | merlin1991 | but update never did |
| 02:49.01 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm tired. |
| 02:49.02 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 02:49.05 | merlin1991 | that would be really bad :P |
| 02:49.29 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah and if i run apt-get dist-upgrade it tries to update libarchive1 libcairo2 libgcrypt11 libgpg-error0 libpixman-1-0 libsdl1.2 libtiff4 libxml2 ope-service0 x11vnc and remove mp-harmattan-299-pr |
| 02:50.03 | Sazpaimon_ | and since it cant even access the downloads.maemo.nokia.com repository, i cant do anything |
| 02:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | 'hmmm's on /topic |
| 03:05.24 | Sazpaimon_ | also i cant use nokia link to backup my device |
| 03:05.31 | Sazpaimon_ | it keeps giving me an EDP_FAILED message |
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| 03:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | AHA :-S >>Nokia is not providing firmware image files to users, developers or resellers without repair capabilities.<< http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files. |
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| 03:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually incredible and unrivalled how Nokia repels and alienates developers: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?229963-Nokia-N9-Chinese-flash-files.&s=aac64a90e196d63e41d87578369b7360&p=866740&viewfull=1#post866740 |
| 03:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | how the F*CK am I supposed to have "repair capabilities" to flash N9 from chinese version to western version and back? |
| 03:31.25 | SpeedEvil | I guess they mean nokia care centre. |
| 03:32.57 | Sazpaimon_ | okay, this image seemed to work fine, i flashed ant it started uo |
| 03:33.00 | Sazpaimon_ | *up |
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| 04:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | so you hadn't updated to 40-4 yet |
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| 04:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | >>MeeGo Harmattan platform-specific APIs focus for Wiki contributor of the month<< Nokia newletter :-D |
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| 05:29.06 | Sazpaimon_ | what package gets me harmattan's kernel config file |
| 05:29.15 | Sazpaimon_ | it's not kernel-d is it? |
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| 05:41.36 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/k/kernel/ -> You can try to install them all |
| 05:41.54 | djszapi | and see .. There are no more kernel package imo .. |
| 05:41.59 | djszapi | packages* |
| 05:44.44 | djszapi | You do not probably even need to install, just unpack, I guess .. |
| 05:51.27 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah none of them have the kernel config |
| 05:53.22 | Sazpaimon_ | also i flashed a custom kernel to my N9 and didn't get any warranty void message |
| 05:53.25 | Sazpaimon_ | shrugs |
| 05:54.13 | djszapi | if none of them have the kernel config. It is probably not provided. |
| 05:55.31 | djszapi | well, if the warranty void is on the papers coming along with the phone, I would actually just be really happy. |
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| 06:00.55 | djszapi | is not on the..* |
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| 06:04.11 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, it doesnt matter for me anyway, because i imported my phone |
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| 06:07.36 | djszapi | huh ? |
| 06:08.03 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont have a warranty because i imported my N9 from europe |
| 06:08.06 | Sazpaimon_ | or rather, australia |
| 06:08.42 | jonni | isnt the warranty global anyways? |
| 06:08.48 | Sazpaimon_ | nope |
| 06:09.02 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: I know, but it does not mean the phone does not have warranty |
| 06:09.06 | Sazpaimon_ | nokia's warranty is only valid per country, and across the entirety of europe |
| 06:09.24 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, it means i can't send it to nokia usa for repair, and i cant send it to nokia australia either |
| 06:09.26 | djszapi | you can just well invoke the guarantee where you ordered from imo |
| 06:10.07 | djszapi | I am not sure what you mean. If I were you, I would just order a from abroad, a.k.a. guarantee works just fine |
| 06:10.09 | Sazpaimon_ | seller warranties are less reliable than manufacturer's warranties |
| 06:10.42 | djszapi | or tell a friend to send it to me. |
| 06:10.45 | Sazpaimon_ | basically, nokia will not accept a device sourced from another country, nor will nokia send a device to another country for warranty |
| 06:10.55 | djszapi | they will never really know |
| 06:11.20 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah, you would basically need to have a friend in australia who you can trust accept the device, send it to nokia, get it back from them, and send it to you |
| 06:11.23 | djszapi | I had a business trip in Finland, bought a phone, back to my home country, when it is broken, hand it over them, donew |
| 06:11.26 | djszapi | done* |
| 06:11.39 | Sazpaimon_ | what country are you in |
| 06:11.50 | djszapi | well if you have no friends to trust, that is problematic anyways :) |
| 06:12.00 | Sazpaimon_ | warranties for devices purchased in europe are applicable through the entire EU |
| 06:12.07 | Sazpaimon_ | regardless of the country |
| 06:12.09 | djszapi | also, I am pretty sure there are people interested in contract for 50 EUR |
| 06:12.13 | djszapi | making this thingie |
| 06:12.52 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: does not matter where I really come from. It was an example for a typical case how some people got one during a business trip |
| 06:13.15 | djszapi | tbh, sounds reaaaaally scary without guarantee |
| 06:15.48 | djszapi | but there are rich people afterwards ;-) |
| 06:17.08 | djszapi | also, in this special case: it is perfectly the fine operation to now show the warranty void |
| 06:17.15 | djszapi | not* |
| 06:17.37 | qronic | who knows where at booting Harmattan checks which app icons should be displayed on the app screen? |
| 06:18.02 | djszapi | qronic: what would you like to achieve ? |
| 06:18.11 | qronic | I've edited /usr/share/applications/facebookqml.desktop to not be displayed, but after reboot it shows up again |
| 06:18.33 | qronic | I've removed X-MeeGo in line OnlyShowIn=X-MeeGo; |
| 06:19.02 | djszapi | qronic: well, delete it manually and check out the desktop file .. |
| 06:19.15 | djszapi | that is the first I would do. |
| 06:19.21 | qronic | em, delete what? |
| 06:19.22 | djszapi | not the boot analyzes |
| 06:19.41 | djszapi | well, it is a basic usage, you can delete icons manually out of the ui .. |
| 06:20.03 | qronic | facebook is a preinstalled app |
| 06:20.04 | djszapi | no need for serious boot analyzes for such a simple operation supported by the ui workflow ... |
| 06:20.09 | qronic | it can't be deleted |
| 06:20.18 | djszapi | yes, of course it can |
| 06:20.49 | djszapi | ahhh sorry I might be wrong |
| 06:20.50 | qronic | how then? no cross on the app when I enter delete mode :) |
| 06:21.02 | djszapi | well, that is the answer for your question |
| 06:21.05 | djszapi | next customer :) |
| 06:21.27 | qronic | yeah, it hides fine when I edit that file, but after reboot shows up again |
| 06:21.41 | qronic | funny, shoud I touch the .dekstop file after reboot - it hides again |
| 06:21.49 | Sazpaimon_ | so i extracted the maemo rootstrap to my N9 |
| 06:22.03 | qronic | I guess there's a inotify set on that directory with .desktop files |
| 06:22.32 | Sazpaimon_ | and made a simple c program that did printf on a floating point number, and it worked fine |
| 06:22.43 | ieatlint | congrats to all of you in the n950 club who will be getting windows phones from nokia |
| 06:22.48 | ieatlint | i'm sure you're all excited |
| 06:22.55 | djszapi | ieatlint: we will get ? |
| 06:23.06 | Sazpaimon_ | so i think the soft/hardfp thing is not an issue on a chroot as DocScrutinizer told me |
| 06:23.14 | ieatlint | "If you received a Nokia E7 back in February when we announced our new smartphone strategy, youll automatically receive a Windows Phone device. If you are currently a Nokia Developer Champion or a Nokia Launchpad member, you are already eligible, and you will soon receive an e-mail to explain how to get your new Nokia Windows Phone." |
| 06:23.36 | djszapi | that is E7, not N950 |
| 06:23.46 | Sazpaimon_ | same thing different OS |
| 06:23.53 | ieatlint | everyone who got the n950 had to become a launchpad member |
| 06:23.54 | dm8tbr | it's the 'lunchbag' membership |
| 06:24.30 | djszapi | ieatlint: I would love to get a WP |
| 06:24.39 | ieatlint | don't you work for nokia? |
| 06:24.45 | Sazpaimon_ | however, i can't seem to run apt-get update |
| 06:24.53 | djszapi | ieatlint: how is it related question ? |
| 06:24.53 | Sazpaimon_ | it stays stuck at 16% [Working] |
| 06:25.30 | ieatlint | i guess i just assume it's not too difficult for nokia employees to get access to the lumia phones |
| 06:25.52 | ieatlint | all the nokians i know are hardcore qt guys who just get very sad and depressed at the topic though |
| 06:25.53 | djszapi | it might be impossible actually for externals. We did not even get discount for N9s ... |
| 06:26.11 | ieatlint | ahhh, you're an external, that explains a lot |
| 06:26.15 | djszapi | nah ... many low-level hackers and hw developers obviously ... |
| 06:26.23 | ieatlint | i was also one :P |
| 06:26.33 | ieatlint | and yeah, it took a lot of begging in order to get an n9 for me to keep |
| 06:26.36 | djszapi | I got one for free in Munich, I was so happy |
| 06:26.47 | djszapi | but could you please help me with this WP application ? I would love it... |
| 06:26.49 | ieatlint | yep, quim pulled one from the stack in munich to give me |
| 06:26.55 | djszapi | so how can I check out this relevant launchpad member ship ? |
| 06:27.04 | djszapi | and whether the above statement concerns on me ? |
| 06:27.09 | ieatlint | do you have a launchpad membership? |
| 06:27.20 | djszapi | that is not really related to Nokia |
| 06:27.20 | qronic | https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml here probably |
| 06:27.36 | djszapi | ieatlint: I had this ubuntu launchpad thingy :) |
| 06:27.46 | ieatlint | yeah, not the same :P |
| 06:27.59 | djszapi | not sure how to verify ... |
| 06:28.06 | djszapi | I would love to port Gluon to WP. |
| 06:28.08 | ieatlint | i got what i quoted in an email from nokia |
| 06:28.22 | djszapi | so it is either spam here or I did not get one :( |
| 06:28.32 | ieatlint | djszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/ |
| 06:28.57 | ieatlint | try to login as an individual with your nokia developer account credentials |
| 06:29.03 | djszapi | ieatlint: can you please send the title of the mail they sent out about the launchpad membership registration ? |
| 06:29.14 | djszapi | oh it is the same account ? |
| 06:29.21 | ieatlint | "Nokia Developer Newsletter: Lumia phones for Windows Phone developers" |
| 06:29.37 | ieatlint | yes, same account, but having a nokia developer account does not mean you are a launchpad member |
| 06:29.49 | ieatlint | but if you try to login, it will tell you that you don't have permissions |
| 06:30.14 | djszapi | who could get this launch membership thingie ? |
| 06:30.24 | ieatlint | if you can login, try selecting "support center", then "device distribution" (which is empty for me, but that's where it will be) |
| 06:30.34 | ieatlint | use hte link qronic posted to apply |
| 06:30.49 | Sazpaimon_ | whoops, forgot to bindmount /dev/ |
| 06:30.54 | ieatlint | and don't wait for approval, ask a nokia manager to help you -- it's the only way you'll ever get approved |
| 06:31.24 | djszapi | 08:28 < ieatlint> djszapi: go here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/ -> after loading that page, I was already logged in |
| 06:31.47 | ieatlint | djszapi: there should be a |
| 06:31.57 | ieatlint | "Go to Nokia Developer Launchpad homepage (for member individuals only) " link |
| 06:32.18 | ieatlint | those who can login to launchpad, enjoy this bit of engrish "WINTER SALE NOW ONGOING. *Promo ends until supplies last. Please note we will not be adding new devices for Discounted Device Program service." |
| 06:32.31 | djszapi | ieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144584/ |
| 06:32.59 | ieatlint | djszapi: yeah, so you need to apply to launchpad |
| 06:33.18 | djszapi | I /think/ I did it a few months ago actually |
| 06:33.19 | ieatlint | the link qronic posted has an application link |
| 06:33.30 | ieatlint | ok, then email a nokian and ask for help |
| 06:33.40 | ieatlint | they only approve applications when a nokian steps in |
| 06:33.55 | djszapi | will just go to the line manager in 20 m :p |
| 06:34.20 | djszapi | "There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. " |
| 06:34.23 | ieatlint | yep, that's how i did it :) |
| 06:34.38 | djszapi | it was way many months ago ... |
| 06:35.02 | djszapi | should also ask quim gil :) |
| 06:35.18 | ieatlint | yeah, he might help you, but don't mention wp7 :P |
| 06:35.25 | ieatlint | he got me my n9 :) |
| 06:35.41 | djszapi | ieatlint: quim gave me an N9 in Munich. |
| 06:35.48 | djszapi | well, it is all about porting my app to Windows. |
| 06:35.58 | djszapi | I would not like to use it daily. I prefer Android. |
| 06:36.12 | ieatlint | yeah, i'm just saying wp7 isn't going to be a selling point for quim |
| 06:36.22 | djszapi | why ? |
| 06:36.36 | djszapi | it is not about wp7, but making the community happy. He is a community manager after all ;-) |
| 06:36.51 | ieatlint | he was a huge gnome/gtk guy, then moved to qt, and then was rather crushed by nokia |
| 06:37.08 | djszapi | and he also supports html5 a lot |
| 06:37.09 | ieatlint | he was hired as a meego evangelist, and ran a lot of qt and meego meetups where i live |
| 06:37.14 | djszapi | afaict |
| 06:37.26 | ieatlint | he's moving to the qt team at nokia still, in about a week |
| 06:37.38 | djszapi | without relocation, right ? |
| 06:37.50 | ieatlint | well, he goes from the 3rd floor to the 2nd floor |
| 06:37.53 | Stskeeps | ieatlint: at least he has the opportunity compared to many others who are laid off |
| 06:38.00 | djszapi | ieatlint: meh :D |
| 06:38.14 | ieatlint | Stskeeps: not sure what you mean by that |
| 06:38.19 | ieatlint | yeah, a lot of people got screwed |
| 06:38.26 | Stskeeps | ieatlint: well, as in, many others who didn't manage to find new positions internally |
| 06:38.30 | ieatlint | myself included... |
| 06:38.39 | djszapi | Ronan is probably also helpful in this case. |
| 06:38.50 | djszapi | to redirect to the proper supporter inside Nokia, if any. |
| 06:38.56 | djszapi | in worst case scenario |
| 06:38.57 | ieatlint | yeah, but that doesn't mean he's not a victim here |
| 06:39.18 | ieatlint | he got punched in the stomach instead of the balls... yeah, it's less bad, but it still sucks |
| 06:39.29 | djszapi | ieatlint: well, qt binding is coming for WP7 |
| 06:39.40 | ieatlint | djszapi: that's news to me |
| 06:39.42 | djszapi | so I would not understand to have against that as a Qt enthusiast |
| 06:39.49 | ieatlint | not heard even a whisper of that |
| 06:39.59 | djszapi | ieatlint: was mentioned at Munich |
| 06:40.05 | ieatlint | huh |
| 06:40.09 | ieatlint | i'll believe it when i see it |
| 06:40.13 | djszapi | not exactly sure which slot, but I am sure it was from a Nokia guy |
| 06:40.17 | djszapi | I saw it |
| 06:40.23 | djszapi | try to grab the slides. |
| 06:40.36 | djszapi | it was in the room A |
| 06:40.41 | djszapi | not sure which day, slot. |
| 06:40.45 | ieatlint | i didn't get to go to munich sadly |
| 06:40.53 | ieatlint | i'll be at the sf dev days though |
| 06:42.39 | djszapi | ieatlint: thanks for sharing this information! (WP) |
| 06:43.04 | ieatlint | yeah, good luck on that then |
| 06:43.21 | ieatlint | definitely ask a nokia manager for help with launchpad though |
| 06:43.45 | djszapi | indeed but I am now out-of-the-office at a conference, actually in the bed of the hotel :p |
| 06:43.49 | djszapi | will make my best tomorrow. |
| 06:44.16 | ieatlint | heh, yay hotels... am at one myself on-site at a customer :( |
| 06:44.24 | djszapi | ieatlint: so it is the phone which was disclosed recently, and sort of available ? |
| 06:44.39 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 06:44.45 | djszapi | and many people had good feedbacks ? |
| 06:44.53 | ieatlint | it doesn't say |
| 06:45.12 | ieatlint | although after that part i quoted, there is a picture of the lumia 800, but i dunno |
| 06:45.15 | ieatlint | could be the 710 |
| 06:45.19 | djszapi | well, windows is a defacto gaming platform. We should make a research to port Gluon to that. |
| 06:45.24 | djszapi | to see it is possible at all. |
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| 06:47.08 | djszapi | ieatlint: you are not Nokian, are you |
| 06:47.21 | ieatlint | nope |
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| 06:50.03 | djszapi | ieatlint: what is my line manager supposed to do ? |
| 06:50.15 | djszapi | how can he support me; what is the workflow ? |
| 06:50.29 | ieatlint | let me see if i can dig up the email of one of the launchpad guys |
| 06:53.23 | ieatlint | the nokians that helped me just called it the "forum nokia launchpad" team, and they emailed them to "expedite my application" |
| 06:53.33 | ieatlint | the only email address i ever see is forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com though |
| 06:53.50 | djszapi | so your manager buddy just called them on the phone, that is, right ? |
| 06:54.01 | ieatlint | perhaps have them email that and ask them to expedite your application, and include you nokia dev username and your real name |
| 06:54.09 | ieatlint | nope, email only |
| 06:54.20 | djszapi | right.. |
| 06:54.25 | djszapi | meh... |
| 06:54.38 | djszapi | I think It is not a good idea to send a mail to my line manager |
| 06:54.39 | ieatlint | FN launchpad is out in finland i think, and i just deal with guys out here in california 90% of the time |
| 06:54.46 | djszapi | it is more than 10-20 lines with the exact details and steps |
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| 06:54.52 | djszapi | and managers have tons of mails daily ... |
| 06:54.58 | djszapi | it will work out only f2f |
| 06:55.06 | ieatlint | i bet anyone with a nokia.com email address will work |
| 06:55.16 | ieatlint | if you have an ext-@, it might be good enough yourself |
| 06:55.26 | djszapi | where can I try ? |
| 06:55.31 | djszapi | I do not think ext is enough ... |
| 06:55.37 | djszapi | ext is resource hiring in Nokia |
| 06:55.42 | djszapi | a.k.a. second citizen |
| 06:56.08 | ieatlint | well, after they gave out E7s to launchpad members, their applications skyrocketed, and you just needed to get noticed for them to accept it |
| 06:56.10 | djszapi | not really an individual person with decisions like that. You know it well I guess though :) |
| 06:56.32 | ieatlint | typically that meant a nokian poking them (they actually sent out an email to applicants in march telling them to poke nokians) |
| 06:56.36 | djszapi | what do I need to try ? |
| 06:56.41 | djszapi | or does my manager need to do ? |
| 06:56.58 | djszapi | just write a mail to the relevant team, or is there just some checkbox somewhere ? |
| 06:57.29 | ieatlint | don't have a clear answer for you, i'd try sending an email from your ext-@ address to forumnokialaunchpad@nokia.com and politely ask |
| 06:57.32 | ieatlint | might be enough |
| 06:58.08 | ieatlint | otherwise find anyone with a nokia email address who will help, can't hurt |
| 06:58.23 | ieatlint | not asking for anything restricted here |
| 06:58.56 | ieatlint | quim got people getting n950s approved.. if you know him well enough, he definitely knows who to ask |
| 06:59.41 | djszapi | I have just written a mail. Let us see their answer |
| 06:59.57 | djszapi | I asked them to answer a clear workflow, if it is not enough I approve my applicaiton |
| 07:00.00 | djszapi | application* |
| 07:00.14 | ieatlint | well, good luck then |
| 07:00.19 | djszapi | thanks for all of this. |
| 07:01.23 | ieatlint | np |
| 07:01.40 | ieatlint | so not a nokian... you work for a certain company starting with the letter D then? :P |
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| 07:13.23 | djszapi | ieatlint: I work for Symbio |
| 07:13.35 | djszapi | see the presentation of my talks where I introduce myself. |
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| 07:55.38 | qais | any on have any information regarding vpn for Nokia N9 |
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| 07:57.18 | qais | Could u please help me find an application for video calling for Nokia N9 |
| 07:57.50 | djszapi | qais: skype |
| 07:58.06 | djszapi | oh sorry, there is no webcam here ;-) |
| 07:58.11 | qais | Skype Does not support Video Calling |
| 07:58.20 | djszapi | it does ? |
| 07:58.33 | djszapi | had many interviews with cam. |
| 07:58.46 | djszapi | on desktop |
| 07:58.52 | djszapi | not sure the N9 camera can be reused for that |
| 07:59.09 | qais | great dude |
| 07:59.18 | djszapi | need some investigation :) |
| 07:59.23 | qais | oh |
| 07:59.35 | djszapi | but it could be a valid use case |
| 08:00.09 | qais | But N9 have a front camera but there is no video calling support |
| 08:00.28 | djszapi | that is bad |
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| 08:00.54 | qais | where can i find a developer, who can give some idea about video calling and VPN |
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| 08:02.29 | djszapi | for instance skype devs |
| 08:02.50 | hiemanshu | there is no Skype? I thought there was skype |
| 08:03.33 | djszapi | I mean huh ? |
| 08:03.41 | djszapi | nobody said there was no skype available :) |
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| 08:03.56 | qais | SKYPE IS THE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT |
| 08:04.22 | qais | SKYPE IS THERE THE VOICE CLARITY ON 3G AND WIFI IS GREAT, BUT DOES NOT HAVE VIDEO CALLING SUPPORT |
| 08:05.20 | djszapi | qais: then again, please ask them for instance, why not ... |
| 08:05.37 | jeremy_laine | hi, does anyone know what region 009 is on n9? the n9 I got at Qt Dev Days seems to use this region |
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| 08:06.51 | qais | i HAVE CHECKED WITH SKYPE, THY SAY 3ED PARTY APPS WILL SUPPORT VIDEO CALLING |
| 08:07.01 | hiemanshu | whats the use of a front camera when you cant use it for skype |
| 08:07.03 | z720 | any idea where to PR1.1 for N9 directly? |
| 08:07.31 | qronic | nowhere yet |
| 08:07.33 | Wirta | qais, there seems to be a problem with your caps lock |
| 08:08.25 | djszapi | hiemanshu: same question here |
| 08:08.46 | djszapi | z720: nowhere yet iirc |
| 08:09.41 | djszapi | z720: i.e. it is illegally public by some 3rd party software :) |
| 08:09.44 | z720 | djszapi: tq .. then have hack with N950 release for fun :0 |
| 08:10.47 | djszapi | have(fun); :) |
| 08:12.46 | z720 | btw any idea how to connect to co network via LEAP using n9? |
| 08:13.47 | qais | N9 have lot of hidden option |
| 08:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | qais: WHAT'S UP DUDE? WHY THIS SHOUTING? |
| 08:15.27 | z720 | qais: ex? |
| 08:15.35 | qais | Just want to get VPN Activated |
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| 08:16.58 | djszapi | google video call might be available ... |
| 08:17.22 | djszapi | not this time yet though |
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| 08:17.50 | qais | dude i dont want to carry my laptop |
| 08:17.58 | djszapi | yes, of course |
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| 08:37.35 | deram | is there a way to limit vibration alert on text messages.. it is ridiculous that it buzzes in my hand still when I can already read the message |
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| 08:52.58 | dang_ | anyone else having the problem that ssh public keys dont work after the latest meego update in developer mode? |
| 08:53.44 | merlin1991 | dang_: root login is not permitted anymore |
| 08:53.57 | merlin1991 | /etc/ssh/sshd_config changed |
| 08:54.17 | dang_ | oh so the updates just overwrite config files. i didnt expect that |
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| 08:56.02 | Arkenoi | Is it even remotely possible that the way sowatch handles notification may lead to incorrect handling and tracker database courruption? |
| 08:56.09 | Arkenoi | then it's all obivious |
| 08:56.50 | Arkenoi | corrupted database -> failed tracker process -> failed google sync -> battery drain, corrupted address book and clusterf.ck |
| 08:56.58 | dang_ | merlin1991: any idea how i can change the configuration again? get permission denied editing it from develsh |
| 08:58.02 | deram | devel-su - |
| 08:58.27 | dang_ | what is the difference? |
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| 08:59.27 | deram | devel-su gets you to root user and develsh gets you more bits from aegis, if I recall correctly |
| 08:59.55 | dang_ | deram: thank you! |
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| 09:13.55 | dang_ | hmm looks like i was too fast. was happy editing sshd_conf but it has no effect and init/ssh.conf is not writable. any way to reenable ssh root access? |
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| 09:18.20 | deram | why you even need that? |
| 09:18.30 | KRF | i can't fetch from some repository (W: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/009/./Release.gpg Resolving host timed out: downloads.maemo.nokia.com). is that normal? |
| 09:18.32 | deram | just ssh to user and use devel-sh to gain root |
| 09:18.53 | KRF | others from the same host work fine |
| 09:19.09 | dang_ | deram: i tried to copy my .ssh/authorized_keys to /home/user and change the ownerhsip of the file to user, but get a permission denied |
| 09:19.59 | merlin1991 | dang after editing sshd_conf you have to either sighup sshd or restart the device |
| 09:20.05 | deram | you need to copy it first to /tmp, give user read permission and then copy it to .ssh as user |
| 09:20.40 | deram | or just copypaste the contents of that file |
| 09:20.53 | dang_ | the latter is hard over the phone :D |
| 09:20.54 | merlin1991 | dang_: isn't authorized_keys worldreadable? |
| 09:21.15 | deram | .ssh is never world readable |
| 09:21.28 | merlin1991 | hm for some wicked reason it is on my n9 |
| 09:21.30 | dang_ | no, i know that |
| 09:22.34 | deram | if configured properly, ssh and sshd stop using .ssh if it is world readable |
| 09:22.37 | dang_ | permission of authorized keys is 600 here, .ssh 700 |
| 09:23.12 | merlin1991 | deram afaik it only complains if private key is readable, or authorized_keys is writeable |
| 09:23.27 | deram | merlin1991: depends on ssh build options.. |
| 09:24.06 | merlin1991 | well authorized_keys on my n9 is rwrr |
| 09:24.06 | deram | but some distros are not so strict as they should be |
| 09:25.30 | dang_ | meh and all this in the morning when i want to scp music to the device before going to work |
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| 09:26.34 | merlin1991 | living up to your nick ;) |
| 09:27.16 | dang_ | i know i could also do that via usb. but this really annoys me right now |
| 09:28.03 | deram | you could not have copied those files to your home as root anyway... |
| 09:28.44 | dang_ | that worked for me |
| 09:28.53 | dang_ | are you using the "user" account to ssh in? |
| 09:28.59 | deram | yes |
| 09:29.11 | dang_ | hmm ok strange |
| 09:29.36 | jonni | you can just create autorized_keys as user and rock and roll, you just cant change the ownership |
| 09:29.40 | merlin1991 | deram: you can |
| 09:29.49 | merlin1991 | push them into MyDocs, that works just fine |
| 09:30.00 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.05 | deram | ahh.. MyDocs is not protected from root.. ok |
| 09:30.12 | deram | haven't checked |
| 09:31.26 | dang_ | if i just create authorized_keys as "user", ssh login via pubkeys dont work for mw |
| 09:32.25 | dang_ | hmm and now the device isnt reachable anymore via tcp/ip, wtf |
| 09:32.46 | jonni | lets see I'll test to make authorized_keys as user |
| 09:32.56 | dang_ | thanks! |
| 09:33.27 | dang_ | hmm restarting wireless and network connections to the device work again. weird |
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| 09:33.59 | djszapi | ieatlint: http://paste.kde.org/144614/ |
| 09:36.10 | dang_ | does the sshd log to some place here? |
| 09:36.17 | qronic | <dang_> you should make passwd -u user as root first AFAIK |
| 09:36.21 | dang_ | meh i cant even strace it as root |
| 09:36.56 | dang_ | qronic: oh |
| 09:36.59 | dang_ | this did the trick! |
| 09:37.07 | dang_ | didnt think of unlocking. thanks a lot! |
| 09:37.20 | qronic | np, "ve read it somewhere |
| 09:40.32 | dang_ | ok thank you guys, now i can leave for work! |
| 09:45.38 | Sazpaimon_ | so im able to get some hildon applications starting in this maemo 5 chroot |
| 09:45.46 | Sazpaimon_ | let me test some more things |
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| 10:05.06 | Piru | hello |
| 10:05.34 | Piru | I hacked PR1.1 ssh root login back. details here: http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt |
| 10:11.46 | jonni | Piru: this is the easiest way devel-su -c "echo root2:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh >> /etc/passwd" |
| 10:12.08 | jonni | that way you just do ssh root2@192.168.2.15 and everything just works |
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| 10:15.09 | mece | ZogG_N9, seems it worked :) |
| 10:15.24 | ZogG_N9 | mece \0/ |
| 10:15.54 | mece | I REALLY want stellarium mobile on harmattan |
| 10:16.14 | ZogG_N9 | than port iy |
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| 10:16.51 | ZogG_N9 | btw how i set emails and teeet mentions to popup as notifications? |
| 10:16.52 | deram | ZogG_N9: nice to see I'm not the only one writing bad on n9 vkbd |
| 10:16.55 | deram | ;) |
| 10:17.12 | ZogG_N9 | deram =) |
| 10:17.32 | deram | swype in terminal is the worst |
| 10:17.35 | mece | here's source for the custom UI http://stellarium-mobile.org/?page_id=3 |
| 10:17.56 | ZogG_N9 | its coz im in portrait mode and im russian and dislexic, what is your exuses? |
| 10:20.58 | ZogG_N9 | mece than port it |
| 10:21.12 | deram | I'm just plain bad with touchscreens... |
| 10:21.35 | ZogG_N9 | irc chatter is really nice to use on phone |
| 10:22.05 | deram | ZogG_N9: you probably mean "then port it" :) |
| 10:22.12 | ZogG_N9 | though landscape shoud change the place of side bar |
| 10:22.25 | ZogG_N9 | like to put it on top or something |
| 10:22.45 | deram | that toolbar is just too big compared to vkbd buttons |
| 10:22.58 | Piru | jonni: well mine is 1 echo as well, except that you can keep using user root ;) |
| 10:23.00 | ZogG_N9 | deram, i mean what i mean, and you understand what you understand |
| 10:23.06 | deram | need to make own terminal... |
| 10:23.13 | deram | ZogG_N9: yes |
| 10:23.24 | Piru | jonni: so no need to adjust your existing scripts etc |
| 10:23.33 | ZogG_N9 | deram, was talking about chatter not irssi ir terminal |
| 10:23.44 | deram | ok |
| 10:24.28 | decibyte | deram: own terminal? |
| 10:24.43 | ZogG_N9 | btw do we have something like gainroot or something for meego ? |
| 10:24.57 | Piru | devel-su ? |
| 10:24.57 | ZogG_N9 | deram port urxvt |
| 10:24.59 | ZogG_N9 | =) |
| 10:25.02 | deram | decibyte: I'm thinking patching the meego-terminal application |
| 10:25.13 | ZogG_N9 | Piru, not the same |
| 10:25.26 | decibyte | deram: to achieve...? |
| 10:25.33 | Hq` | there's already http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan |
| 10:26.02 | decibyte | was about to point to the same link as Hq` |
| 10:26.51 | Piru | ZogG_N9: not the same, but closest I'd say |
| 10:27.10 | Piru | ZogG_N9: you asked for "something like or something" |
| 10:27.19 | deram | Hq`: that is nice one, but somehow not as good feel to vkbd as the original |
| 10:28.14 | deram | don't know exaclty what, but it does not feel right for me |
| 10:29.17 | deram | I was thinking about making that toolbar of meego-terminal smaller and making the terminal not send resize events when keyboard comes visible, just shift the window so the active line is visible |
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| 10:35.07 | Hq` | yeah, I wasn't able to make haptic feedback work at least |
| 10:35.27 | ZogG_N9 | Piru, i use it already but i need to enter pass, i think thats the reason we dont have root access in filebox |
| 10:36.12 | ZogG_N9 | Hq`, i got terminal would try it |
| 10:36.13 | decibyte | Hq`: it sure has potential for improvement. but i really like the idea and how it works already. |
| 10:36.40 | deram | yes, it has very much potential. |
| 10:36.53 | Hq` | has anyone had success with QFeedbackEffect on the N9 ? |
| 10:37.21 | ZogG_N9 | i need to start playing with qml |
| 10:37.25 | Piru | ZogG_N9: well I use ssh remote root access with public keys. quite handy |
| 10:37.57 | Piru | ZogG_N9: then entering the password can be delegated to ssh-agent |
| 10:38.31 | ZogG_N9 | but you need to set it so u cant make app with autoroot access |
| 10:38.39 | Piru | and the pass is for your key, not for root. having to enter your root password all the time just sucks |
| 10:38.53 | ZogG_N9 | btw i tryed to ssh to myself and pass was wrong |
| 10:39.29 | Piru | remote root login is disabled by default these days (PR1.1+) |
| 10:39.40 | ZogG_N9 | btw is prey porting client for meego or we should email them? |
| 10:40.42 | ZogG_N9 | Piru, i didnt get update |
| 10:40.42 | ZogG_N9 | btw i have pr 005 should i flash to global 001? |
| 10:41.42 | ZogG_N9 | lardman, looking forward for your qr code app and btw i think now we can use app installatiin like we wanted in maemo |
| 10:41.43 | jonni | you should wait for 005 |
| 10:42.14 | ZogG_N9 | jonni, why! |
| 10:42.22 | ZogG_N9 | ?* |
| 10:42.47 | jonni | different regions have different keyboard layouts etc |
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| 10:43.20 | jonni | so you might end up in funny situations depending on region |
| 10:44.00 | ZogG_N9 | lardman, it woild be nice to intagrate mime, so it would read what extention and popup with promt like “its an image wanna open” and than it would download and open with img viewer |
| 10:44.40 | hiemanshu | what happened to Alien Dalvik for meego? |
| 10:44.59 | ZogG_N9 | jonni, i got mine from usa and i think they got it from australia, as im in israel i installed hebrew manually anyway |
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| 10:45.20 | ZogG_N9 | i use en as main lang anyway |
| 10:45.40 | decibyte | is an alpha/beta/whatever version of that qr app available somewhere? |
| 10:46.53 | mece | hiemanshu, everything that was expected. |
| 10:46.59 | ZogG_N9 | just interesting whats the differents between prs exept layouts |
| 10:47.21 | ZogG_N9 | decibyte, the lardmans mbarcode |
| 10:48.01 | jonni | ZogG_N9: well if your keyboard layout is standard and you dont want any regional customization then 001 should be ok, but I cannot say that officially if you happen to brick your device :) |
| 10:48.16 | hiemanshu | mece: dead? |
| 10:50.36 | jonni | I've flashed all kinds of variants to my phone, but then again I'm able to downgrade back to working one if I brick my dev. |
| 10:50.56 | decibyte | ZogG_N9: i fail at the internets. can't find it anywhere. do you have a link? |
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| 10:56.07 | lardman | ZogG: integrate mime how do you mean? |
| 10:56.41 | lardman | you wouldn't encode an image in a QRcode realistically |
| 10:56.53 | lardman | but it does currently look at the uri type and handle it accordingly |
| 10:56.56 | mece | hiemanshu, nothing. it was never announced or anything. Just some bloggers read into it more than what it was. |
| 10:57.23 | lardman | ZogG: re installation, does harmattan offer a .install file equivalent yet? That would make it easier |
| 10:57.23 | MohammadAG | integrate it with respect to y lardman |
| 10:58.26 | MohammadAG | making one shouldn't be hard |
| 10:58.58 | lardman | well we could just call apt directly, but I'd prefer to be able to hand off to something that is designed for the purpose |
| 11:01.57 | mece | wow these new bots on twitter sure have a lot of followers. I guess there are a lot of them :) |
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| 11:22.42 | z720 | Piru: ur PR1.1 is OTA ? |
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| 11:43.25 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, hey |
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| 11:46.15 | jeremy_laine | jonni: I was wondering about the same thing as ZogG_N9, as I am wondering whether pr 009 will get an update (I think it's Germany) |
| 11:46.48 | ZogG_N9 | it will |
| 11:46.59 | ZogG_N9 | everyone would get |
| 11:47.29 | ZogG_N9 | the question was why should i use native and global |
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| 11:50.53 | jonni | jeremy_laine: 009 is Europe2, and yes every region will get an update. Most likely people are just 1st fixing the bugs that were noticed on 001 deployment, so people wont get so many bricks. |
| 11:51.50 | jonni | and eventually even navifirm should be able to find 40-4 flash binaries |
| 11:52.22 | ZogG_N9 | ill wait for ota |
| 11:54.00 | jabis | jonni, could you be a bit more specific with the navifirm flash? I'm hesitant to try downgrading via the earlier 34-1 image, as the only thing remaining 34-1 seems to be my running kernel |
| 11:55.00 | jonni | well on CE devices downgrade is blocked, so if your device is runnung 40-4 then flasher will fail to flash 34-1. Only devices with R&D cert can be downgraded. |
| 11:55.05 | jabis | jonni: or do you have advice how I could restart the device in flashing mode (I see the new kernel in staging, but every reboot goes with USER instead of xFLASH or whatever the flag would need to be) |
| 11:55.31 | Corsac | well, booting with kernel arg bootmode=update should work |
| 11:55.42 | Corsac | empashis on /should/ |
| 11:55.58 | Corsac | I'm not sure how well passing args to the kernel command line works |
| 11:56.09 | jabis | that's what I'm asking jonni about :) |
| 11:58.34 | jabis | I now know that the flashable images are in nokia care, but it's >9000 (5days) queue and I can't do without my work phone that long (and as it's OTA that screwed my phone and not me, I refuse to pay extra for "express" service) |
| 11:58.59 | merlin1991 | how does one find out the product code of the device? |
| 11:59.01 | Corsac | what's that queue? |
| 11:59.18 | jabis | phones in line waiting to be serviced |
| 11:59.24 | Corsac | oh. |
| 11:59.43 | jabis | (told to me by one angry updater :D ) |
| 11:59.58 | SpeedEvil | Pay the extra. |
| 12:00.04 | SpeedEvil | Claim it back in small claims court. |
| 12:00.51 | jonni | merlin1991: sysinfoclient -p /device/product-code |
| 12:01.25 | janpod | same here... OTA screwed my phone |
| 12:02.13 | RST38h | yawns, sacrifices a hamster to the Tentacled One |
| 12:02.19 | jabis | jonni: did you see my question ^ :) |
| 12:03.03 | merlin1991 | thanks jonni |
| 12:03.18 | jabis | RST38h: you have plenty of hamsters tharr - you a breeder? |
| 12:03.26 | Arkenoi | is there a way to perform selective restore other than to do manual unzip (which is not guaranteed to work due to aegis uglyness)? |
| 12:04.01 | MohammadAG | N950 went back to customs for no reason, yay |
| 12:04.22 | jonni | jabis: "reboot -u" |
| 12:04.40 | jabis | jonni, cheers - I'll give it a shot |
| 12:04.52 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, no, regression from Fremantle |
| 12:05.56 | jabis | *crossing mah fingers* |
| 12:06.27 | RST38h | jabis: No, I use the word as an euphemism for "blogger" |
| 12:06.50 | jabis | nokia logo came up - another reboot, nokia logo came up, please lord not a bootloop x) |
| 12:07.33 | jabis | *tididindindin* - pin code entered - let's see nao |
| 12:08.15 | jabis | holy shitstickles - it worked - running kernel updated - nao let's see about the borken camera |
| 12:08.28 | jonni | ;) |
| 12:08.55 | Corsac | let's try that too |
| 12:08.55 | jabis | \o/ YAY for CAMERA |
| 12:09.08 | Corsac | ha |
| 12:09.09 | jonni | glad to be able to help |
| 12:09.10 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Mexican drug runners torture and decapitate blogger |
| 12:09.36 | RST38h | The moderator of a Mexican social network has been tortured and ritually murdered by local drug lords (RITUALLY!) |
| 12:09.36 | jabis | jonni, I wasn't sure about the flag to give, but I was on the right track anyhow :) thanks a bunch man :> |
| 12:09.56 | Stskeeps | RST38h: Eldar's next |
| 12:10.31 | jabis | phonetorch also working - and my strobe led-program ^^ let's see about the frontal camera too |
| 12:10.52 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So, who is going to ritually kill poor Eldar? |
| 12:10.59 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: That is discriminatory to those whose sacrificial practices are shooting people in the head. |
| 12:11.04 | jabis | everything works - nao back to them forums to pass on this no-brainer :) |
| 12:11.45 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Given Eldar's previous run-ins with Sony Ericsson, I would expect a katana wound! |
| 12:11.54 | ZogG_N9 | MohammadAG, so n950 is on your way |
| 12:12.09 | ZogG_N9 | \0/ |
| 12:13.05 | janpod | jabis: so all you did to complete the failed PR1.1 update was issue as root command "reboot -u"? |
| 12:14.01 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: back to customs? WTF? |
| 12:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Maybe to the normal customs people not the people that stand round pointing guns at the packages. |
| 12:16.29 | Piru | damn. my instructions had a bug, missing mkdir -m 0755 -p /var/run/sshd |
| 12:16.38 | jabis | janpod: correct |
| 12:16.43 | Piru | well all fixed now ;) |
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| 12:18.55 | jabis | janpod: we saw the links to the correct kernel in /var/lib/fiasco-flasher/staging/ , and I saw gconfd failing post-inst scripts, thus could reason that the update reboot never took place, and didn't know which argument to pass to reboot for updating, a simple -u flag's for update x) |
| 12:21.30 | Corsac | jonni: many thanks as well :) |
| 12:21.57 | janpod | jabis: naw that is really some easy fix. But I can't imagine normal users to do this at all. Nokia should make this update procedure more friendly. |
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| 12:24.14 | janpod | jabis: do you recommend i run this command via ssh login to N9 or directly on the device's own Terminal? Probably it's all the same. |
| 12:24.28 | jonni | doesnt matter |
| 12:25.06 | ZogG_N9 | mece, i see only gtalk and no jabber in accounts |
| 12:25.28 | janpod | OK then I'm off to try this unfortunate reboot -u ... fingers crossed... |
| 12:25.30 | jabis | janpod: doesn't matter, only make sure you're root |
| 12:25.44 | jabis | so develsh or devel-su - |
| 12:27.05 | janpod | loading.... nokia logo.... |
| 12:27.31 | janpod | led flashing... |
| 12:28.03 | janpod | pulsating... |
| 12:29.20 | jabis | if you still get the wrong version, that means there wasn't a staged kernel in there |
| 12:29.37 | jabis | which you'll then jhave to stage -> fiasco-flasher-stage /usr/share/osso/kernel-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701.fiasco |
| 12:29.41 | janpod | About pruduct: now shows correct version PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_PR_001) ... yupi |
| 12:30.10 | janpod | YES... camera working again! |
| 12:31.23 | janpod | jonni, jabis, Corsac ... thank you all. |
| 12:35.10 | Corsac | unfortunately, that doesn't fix the fenix/messageserver cpu usage :( |
| 12:35.27 | Corsac | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:38.26 | ZogG_N9 | bye guys ) good day |
| 12:44.15 | jabis | Corsac: mine isn't even on top40 of htop on any group by :O |
| 12:47.40 | Arkenoi | tries to trace down exactly what causes tracker malfunction |
| 12:47.44 | Arkenoi | is it google or sowatch |
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| 12:50.44 | Corsac | jabis: yeah, there's definitely something fishy here (and it doesn't even happen all the time) |
| 12:51.08 | Corsac | I think it might try to index messages or something like that |
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| 12:52.25 | SpeedEvil | wonders if Corsacs messageserver is sending out a million viagra ads a day. |
| 12:57.06 | Corsac | damn |
| 12:59.41 | Arkenoi | strange |
| 13:00.05 | Arkenoi | restore keeps asking me "switch internet connection on?" and seemingly does nothing until i answer yes |
| 13:00.08 | Corsac | in any case, I asked it to only keep 200 mails right now, and I can definitely say there are much more of them |
| 13:00.11 | Arkenoi | and i'd better not to |
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| 13:06.59 | Corsac | sqlite> select count(*) from 'nmo:Message'; |
| 13:06.59 | Corsac | 20468 |
| 13:07.02 | Corsac | *nice* |
| 13:08.58 | deram | thats wee bit over 200 messages |
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| 13:12.44 | Corsac | indeed |
| 13:17.10 | Arkenoi | damn |
| 13:17.25 | Arkenoi | seems that if i do not allow it to access internet restore just never ends |
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| 14:00.33 | jonni | and now even navifirm has 40-4 001 available, so you can unbrick your N9 manually with flasher. |
| 14:04.44 | Corsac | as long as you have windows :) |
| 14:05.19 | jonni | linux & wine & navifirm |
| 14:05.36 | jonni | but that should help the people with messageserver load issues |
| 14:05.36 | Corsac | no way wine will ever touch my laptop |
| 14:05.50 | jonni | or as some windows users to download .bin for you |
| 14:05.51 | Corsac | jonni: fwiw, I removed the account and recreated it |
| 14:05.58 | Corsac | will see if that help |
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| 14:09.46 | djszapi | Hi! I do not have a production device by hand. Are the devicelock and mfe set by default on PR 1.0 ? |
| 14:10.25 | jabis | jonni: were you the hasty one that rushed the image out in the open? If so - thanks for that too, now I can feel good about writing test programs and don't need to worry about bricking it permantly anymore :) |
| 14:11.42 | Corsac | djszapi: not that I know |
| 14:11.58 | Corsac | djszapi: I didn't configure anything for MFE, but when adding a devicelock it didn't ask me for one |
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| 14:13.22 | deram | is navifirm firmwares considered official, in case of warranty? |
| 14:13.54 | djszapi | mfe is not set up mm |
| 14:14.08 | djszapi | deram: no, it is completely illegal |
| 14:14.54 | djszapi | so not just warranty lacking, but legality, too |
| 14:17.47 | RST38h | ~lawyers |
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| 14:28.02 | Arkenoi | sh?t. i finally had to turn google contact sync off. |
| 14:28.16 | Arkenoi | gave up after 5 restore cycles |
| 14:28.32 | Arkenoi | nothing suspicious in logs, but tracker goes nuts |
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| 15:11.35 | djszapi | could someone have a sake to try out touch /var/malf and reboot on PR1.0 for instance ? |
| 15:11.55 | djszapi | It might cause re-flashing, but I would like to make sure such a minor "issue" causes rebootable MALF automatically. |
| 15:12.13 | djszapi | if it reboots properly as I expect, rm /var/malf will fix it, so no biggie |
| 15:12.25 | djszapi | if not, reflash needed. |
| 15:14.59 | gri | djszapi: If you give me a 40-4 hint, which version I need to download, I will brick my 1.0 image :) |
| 15:15.40 | jabis | gri, look at your simtray for model code |
| 15:16.04 | jabis | (then navifirm discretely to that product code & d/l it for reflashing) |
| 15:16.45 | djszapi | meh |
| 15:17.29 | gri | jabis: Thank you, it's from norway :) |
| 15:17.51 | jabis | gri: you need the precise model code (if you don't have R&D cert) |
| 15:18.04 | jabis | and that's under your simtray :) |
| 15:18.25 | jabis | prolly NORTH EUROPE model then :) |
| 15:18.29 | gri | 059K755 this code? |
| 15:18.35 | jabis | correct |
| 15:18.52 | gri | NDT NORWAY CYAN !&GB |
| 15:18.59 | djszapi | gri: I do remember it booted |
| 15:19.10 | djszapi | but my colleague says it did not boot after any MALF in PR 1.0 PR 1.1 |
| 15:19.12 | gri | djszapi: moment, I will try |
| 15:20.13 | alterego | Has anyone else been accepted in to the Nokia Developer Champion programme this week? |
| 15:20.51 | gri | djszapi: Does it matter if I touch as root or user (assume user won't work)? |
| 15:21.13 | djszapi | var is a variable folder |
| 15:21.23 | djszapi | ideally anybody should be able to write on desktop *nix |
| 15:22.14 | gri | /home/developer $ touch /var/malf |
| 15:22.14 | gri | touch: /var/malf: Permission denied |
| 15:22.17 | gri | ok, must be root then :) |
| 15:22.32 | djszapi | ls -lda /var please. |
| 15:22.40 | jabis | I just got my kernel flashed properly - not gonna malf it for the fuck of it :D |
| 15:22.47 | gri | ~ # ls -lda /var |
| 15:22.48 | gri | drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Aug 31 06:28 /var |
| 15:22.51 | djszapi | meh |
| 15:23.08 | djszapi | that slightly enforces the principles what var was designed for |
| 15:23.18 | djszapi | violates*, that is |
| 15:23.30 | djszapi | but at any rate...as root then ;) |
| 15:23.39 | jabis | djszapi: btw - the answer to my question from last night was a simple a simple " -u " argument in reboot fyi |
| 15:23.51 | gri | root wrote, turned off phone *waiting* |
| 15:24.06 | djszapi | jabis: sorry, but what was your question ? |
| 15:24.22 | gri | djszapi: "Device is malfunctioning" :) |
| 15:24.33 | djszapi | gri: right, does it continue the boot ? |
| 15:24.35 | gri | "Unidentified problem (unknown): |
| 15:24.37 | djszapi | after a few seconds |
| 15:24.42 | gri | nothing so far |
| 15:24.51 | jabis | djszapi, what flag do I need to use to get to update mode so that running kernel will be flashed aka camera not working and wrong kernel in /proc/version |
| 15:25.12 | gri | djszapi: Yep |
| 15:25.14 | djszapi | I do not recall such a question ... |
| 15:25.14 | jabis | (after OTA) |
| 15:25.15 | gri | now it's there again |
| 15:25.25 | djszapi | gri: again where ? |
| 15:25.43 | gri | after device is malfunctioning it restarted itself again and booted correctly then |
| 15:25.54 | djszapi | PR 1.0 and N950 ? |
| 15:26.01 | gri | pr 1.0 n9 |
| 15:26.15 | jabis | djszapi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79802 PR 1.1 Camera not working |
| 15:26.29 | djszapi | jabis: sorry I do not recall such a question really |
| 15:26.38 | djszapi | all I helped with is the camera-ui thingie |
| 15:26.47 | djszapi | what was the problem |
| 15:27.06 | jabis | camera-ui not working after PR 1.1 OTA :) |
| 15:27.26 | djszapi | yes, and explained why |
| 15:28.16 | jabis | well, I gave you the correct answer now - it didn't need a reflash, but a reboot -u |
| 15:28.27 | gri | djszapi: Now it does not respond to the power buttn anymore |
| 15:28.28 | jabis | for future reference :) |
| 15:28.31 | djszapi | jabis: roger |
| 15:28.37 | gri | can't turn off screen or phone :D |
| 15:28.50 | djszapi | gri: reboot again please |
| 15:28.54 | djszapi | it should come back .... |
| 15:28.57 | djszapi | and then rm /var/malf |
| 15:29.01 | djszapi | or just ssh in this stage ... |
| 15:29.07 | djszapi | probably will not work without the device lock thingie ... |
| 15:29.12 | gri | well, reboot is only possible via ssh now :) |
| 15:29.17 | djszapi | oh my good I have a talk in one hour |
| 15:29.20 | djszapi | god* |
| 15:29.23 | djszapi | cu later :) |
| 15:29.34 | alterego | Woo, my first commit into Qt proper :) |
| 15:29.38 | djszapi | gri: press the button long |
| 15:29.41 | alterego | Well, qt-components actually .. |
| 15:30.00 | djszapi | alterego: shame on you no contributing previously : p :p |
| 15:30.13 | djszapi | ;) |
| 15:31.43 | gri | jabis: Do I need the NORTHEUROPE EMMC? |
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| 15:33.55 | alterego | djszapi: well, first official by myself, I've give patches through others' ;) |
| 15:36.12 | jabis_ | oh look - my alpha server is under a ddos |
| 15:36.38 | djszapi | alterego: I hope I can maintain a qt addon module if they accept it :p |
| 15:36.45 | djszapi | alterego: good work anyway, was just jokin' :) |
| 15:36.57 | alterego | Thanks |
| 15:38.27 | jabis_ | gri, I wouldn't try flashing the eMMC |
| 15:38.50 | gri | jabis_: Ok, and what flasher to use? |
| 15:39.12 | jabis_ | ps - don't ping my primary nick as it's under ddos I can't see shit what's happening there |
| 15:40.29 | jabis_ | gri: as my server is not responding - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php and take the WinFlasher_3121 |
| 15:40.44 | jabis_ | that could connect to my N9 - the newer didn't |
| 15:41.23 | djszapi | gri: the gluon team: |
| 15:41.25 | djszapi | http://dot.kde.org/sites/dot.kde.org/files/group-photo.jpg |
| 15:41.35 | djszapi | at least at this sprint :p |
| 15:42.22 | gri | djszapi: You seem to be the youngest :) |
| 15:42.35 | gri | (and the only one with a gluon shirt) |
| 15:43.00 | gri | oh no, one more |
| 15:44.05 | djszapi | I am the only one with that shirt, but not sure about the age ... |
| 15:44.42 | Piru | hmm. there's an app with security vulnerability in ovi store. the author doesn't appear to take it seriously. how to proceed? |
| 15:45.02 | Piru | (lets just say that user credentials are sent in clear text) |
| 15:45.26 | gri | What program? :) |
| 15:45.46 | Piru | I'm not going to disclose that here |
| 15:46.09 | Piru | should I contact ovi store next so that they can pull the app? |
| 15:46.26 | djszapi | yes, please asap |
| 15:46.58 | Piru | do they have some procedure for this kind of stuff? any pointers? |
| 15:46.59 | djszapi | if you suspect it can cause harms. |
| 15:47.05 | Piru | it for sure can |
| 15:47.26 | Piru | leaking user credentials.. username & password, to a widely user service |
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| 15:47.55 | djszapi | Piru: at least you can write to the customer service |
| 15:47.57 | Piru | (obviously you need to see the network traffic, but that can easily happen with open wireless networks) |
| 15:48.08 | djszapi | and enlight them about the protected storage what the accounts plugin do |
| 15:49.20 | djszapi | and tell them to improve their QA process |
| 15:51.26 | clbr_n9 | The QA process seems to be a farce, anyway |
| 15:52.35 | clbr_n9 | Obviously they just try to get the numbers up |
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| 15:55.30 | gri | jabis_: Seems the flasher won't accept the phone :( |
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| 15:56.14 | SpeedEvil | Piru: Does the service support non-cleartext login? |
| 15:58.10 | jabis_ | gri: you need to use the WinFlasher3.1.21 |
| 15:58.44 | gri | flasher 3.12.1 (Oct 6 2011) Harmattan |
| 15:59.08 | gri | Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... - and waits forever |
| 15:59.36 | jabis_ | gri: first power down the N9 then cli to the location of the image and issue the command - then when you get to waiting... plug the phone in unpowered |
| 15:59.56 | gri | did exactly that twice, nothing happened |
| 16:00.02 | djszapi | cu guys later :) |
| 16:00.06 | gri | phone started to show "loading" image |
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| 16:00.17 | jabis_ | don't touch it :) |
| 16:00.35 | gri | well, the battery loading image |
| 16:00.52 | jabis_ | the flasher will only be able to flash in during the boot |
| 16:02.14 | gri | what I missed before: Windows pops up with "unknown device" and fails downloading drivers |
| 16:02.24 | gri | and phone boots the ui |
| 16:02.24 | Piru | SpeedEvil: for some perverted reason it still does |
| 16:02.52 | Piru | SpeedEvil: all new APIs don't, but the legacy API is still around and kicking.. unfortunately |
| 16:04.05 | jabis_ | gri: which platform are you on? howbout a virtual machine? |
| 16:04.24 | Piru | the new APIs use oauth anyway, making the password issue go away |
| 16:07.09 | jabis_ | gri: you can get a virtual image from the link I gave you earlier, then just use qemu/virtualbox/vmware |
| 16:08.46 | Piru | I'd show some tcpdump log if it wouldn't instantly reveal what app it is |
| 16:11.53 | jabis_ | Piru: is it a bundled app? |
| 16:17.02 | Piru | jabis_: nope |
| 16:17.08 | Piru | that'd be really nasty |
| 16:18.24 | jabis | back with primary - silly DDosers, don't take into account our dataccenter DDos layer x) |
| 16:20.40 | Piru | I also took a look of the bundled stuff.. mitmed them with sslsniff. everything I looked at worked correctly though (checking certificate validity and refusing to connect via the spoofed cert) |
| 16:27.07 | alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1120829 |
| 16:27.10 | alterego | chuckles |
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| 16:28.06 | Piru | SpeedEvil: oops, well slightly misread your question, but yeah the cleartext login is depracated now.. it should all be oauth over ssl in new apps |
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| 16:52.01 | gri | jabis: I'm on windows 7 |
| 16:55.14 | rcg | i might see the problem |
| 16:55.17 | rcg | scnr |
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| 17:02.31 | BluesLee | how do i import my bookmarks to the default browser on the n9? |
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| 17:24.58 | mgedmin | BluesLee, the N9 doesn't really have bookmarks per se -- you can have app launchers that open a web page |
| 17:26.12 | mgedmin | they live as .desktop files in /home/user/.local/share/applications |
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| 17:28.32 | tomma | is there some reference code for creating accounts plugin? |
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| 17:29.31 | dm8tbr | https://gitorious.org/accounts-sso has the sources |
| 17:30.12 | Chaz6 | How can I allow wifi connections in the background, but not 3g? |
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| 17:31.03 | ieatlint | Chaz6: go look at settings -> internet connection |
| 17:31.19 | Chaz6 | ieatlint: i did, but if i change it on the wifi page, it changes it for 3g too |
| 17:31.37 | ieatlint | uh, no? |
| 17:31.48 | ieatlint | you set each connection to "automatically connect" or not |
| 17:32.44 | Chaz6 | I want to set "Allow background connections" to wifi only |
| 17:32.50 | jabis | mgedmin: BluesLee: using Fennec you can sync bookmarks from your desktop browser *hint* |
| 17:32.52 | Chaz6 | I dont want background connections for 3g |
| 17:33.12 | jabis | Chaz6: that doesn't work |
| 17:33.17 | jabis | it's either or |
| 17:33.23 | Chaz6 | That's what I thought :/ |
| 17:33.42 | Chaz6 | My N8 would connect automatically to wifi and not 3g |
| 17:34.31 | mgedmin | Chaz6, Settings -> Mobile network -> allow background connections: off |
| 17:34.43 | jabis | mgedmin: that'll toggle all internet connections |
| 17:34.53 | jabis | a known issue I've been told :) |
| 17:35.03 | mgedmin | eh? |
| 17:35.13 | jabis | change it and you'll see |
| 17:35.16 | Chaz6 | Ah good at least it's known so hopefully there will be a fix :) |
| 17:35.24 | mgedmin | so why are there two separate options then? |
| 17:35.31 | mgedmin | or is it the same option shown in two places? |
| 17:35.39 | jabis | it's the same option showing in two screens x) |
| 17:35.56 | mgedmin | ah! ok |
| 17:36.23 | mgedmin | then go to Edit connections, find your 3G connection, and uncheck [x] use automatically, maybe |
| 17:36.37 | mgedmin | downside: when you'll launch a web browser or something, you'll probably need to connect manually |
| 17:37.43 | jabis | I'd remember there's an inquiry "do you want to connect to a network" at that time |
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| 17:43.44 | BluesLee | jabis: i know that but i am not sure if i should go for fennec for that reason, opera can import from files |
| 17:47.02 | BluesLee | is there community repo for harmattan? a free version of cutetube or should i compile it myself? so many questions ... |
| 17:48.02 | BluesLee | categories on the launcher screen would be nice, can i add contacts to that one? |
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| 17:48.14 | BluesLee | damn, i miss my n900:-) |
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| 17:50.59 | jabis | BluesLee: there is, wait a sec I'll cat the source list |
| 17:51.09 | ZogG_N9 | hey, who is using vlc remote and wich one? |
| 17:51.31 | BluesLee | jabis: this one http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=harmattan? |
| 17:51.41 | jabis | BluesLee: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./ |
| 17:51.51 | jabis | at least |
| 17:52.18 | BluesLee | jabis: is there a free version of cutetube? |
| 17:52.57 | jabis | BluesLee: I'm not sure http://my-meego.com/software/index.php |
| 17:53.29 | jabis | there's plenty of harmattan resources around - too shame it's all bits and pieces here and there |
| 17:53.55 | jabis | also http://apps.formeego.org/applications/ |
| 17:54.16 | jabis | but that's more like upcoming resource |
| 17:54.42 | BluesLee | yes http://n9-apps.com/ |
| 17:54.52 | BluesLee | and http://apps.formeego.org/basecategories/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/ |
| 17:55.45 | jabis | Blues, fennec 10 feels more robust and quick than opera |
| 17:56.06 | jabis | tho I dislike that it doesn't come as native and is still @aurora stage |
| 17:56.15 | jabis | native qt I mean |
| 17:56.28 | jabis | and isn't going to - ever - as stated by the mobile team |
| 17:56.51 | ZogG_N9 | is there package manager for repos, store wouldnt show them i thknk =) |
| 17:58.22 | merlin1991 | lmao foreveralone ended up in the repos :D |
| 17:58.35 | merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: there is |
| 17:59.51 | ZogG_N9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.26 | jabis | ZogG_N9: it's in apps.formeego I think |
| 18:00.31 | merlin1991 | couldn't find the name, but someone on tmo wrote abut it in xfades announce thread |
| 18:00.36 | macmaN | yo. who has skype ui on n950 |
| 18:00.42 | macmaN | WHO I ASK |
| 18:00.58 | macmaN | how long do i have to look at this iconless skype connection |
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| 18:05.55 | jabis | too bad I'm really too busy - I'm cooking up a skype-able frontal camera shinding (currently testing with desktop Skype, streaming as a webcam) *disclaimer* and no I'm not releasing sources as everything I code is the property of my co-owned company x) |
| 18:06.28 | jabis | disclaimer was a poor choice of words - fyi would been better x) |
| 18:07.35 | SpeedEvil | you mean skype on n9? |
| 18:07.43 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 18:07.44 | macmaN | who |
| 18:08.02 | SpeedEvil | You mean act as a desktop 'webcam'. |
| 18:08.10 | SpeedEvil | Isn't there an app like that in the store already? |
| 18:08.29 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was gadget-USB, which raised my hopes. |
| 18:17.50 | jabis | SpeedEvil: no a straight plugin for skype iface |
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| 18:18.38 | jabis | I'm now kinda emulating via webcam interface, but I hope to get it undergoing soon |
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| 18:19.53 | jabis | the ERP client for our sales & logistics is higher priority (boo I tell ya x) |
| 18:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Gotta do what you gotta do. |
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| 18:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro |
| 18:26.22 | javispedro | moo! |
| 18:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: number of the day: 25,000 |
| 18:27.02 | javispedro | 25,000 wp7 devices on ebay? |
| 18:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | on Nokia's giveaway shelf |
| 18:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | ebay... later ;-P |
| 18:27.51 | javispedro | (i knew -- thus the joke ;P ) |
| 18:28.24 | javispedro | btw |
| 18:28.28 | javispedro | for a quick fun, I suggest reading the comments on that blogpost |
| 18:28.32 | javispedro | (the one in nokia dev blog) |
| 18:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | the whining students? |
| 18:29.06 | javispedro | "I once sent an email to Elop telling him how good his WP7 strategy was! I deserve a free phone!" |
| 18:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 18:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | must be US or India |
| 18:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | max 18 y o |
| 18:30.53 | Frye | hehe |
| 18:31.05 | Frye | Maybe it's just me but for me the live tiles look like broken web portal. |
| 18:31.19 | javispedro | that was the idea, I guess |
| 18:31.21 | Frye | If I come to a web page that flashes like that it's instant close for it |
| 18:31.45 | Frye | There's really nothing to say there if there is room for that kind of mumbo jumbo |
| 18:32.04 | javispedro | Frye: http://r33b.net/ all glory to flashy websites! |
| 18:32.16 | Frye | haha |
| 18:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if "the whore" (err Lumia) also has a tight security framework from xloader up |
| 18:33.03 | Frye | Anyway I would still take one free just to play around with it for a few days |
| 18:33.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you betcha why MS mandates a single SOC vendor |
| 18:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 18:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | will be fun to crack ;-D |
| 18:33.39 | Frye | hehe |
| 18:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, we'll be able to check by ourselves soon enough :-) |
| 18:35.37 | Frye | Anyway I'm not going to buy one myself before the development can be done on mac or linux =) |
| 18:35.48 | Frye | And most likely not even then ;-) |
| 18:36.35 | dm8tbr | javispedro: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/02/st-ericssons-novathor-to-power-nokias-windows-phone-devices-l/ |
| 18:37.07 | dm8tbr | but rest assured, the STE silly-cone also has crypto and signing all over it... |
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| 18:37.15 | dm8tbr | has a snowball on his desk |
| 18:37.18 | javispedro | never heard of it? |
| 18:37.35 | rafael2k | people, I could run my "a.out" after compiling a software with gcc |
| 18:37.37 | dm8tbr | snowball is the EVM/PDK for the NovaThor |
| 18:37.43 | javispedro | hm, it seems to have a mali |
| 18:37.45 | rafael2k | why aegis did not stopped me? |
| 18:37.57 | dm8tbr | javispedro: yes |
| 18:38.00 | Stskeeps | rafael2k: it'll hit you when you want it the least to |
| 18:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2121148/nokias-phone-lumia-means-prostitute-spanish-slang |
| 18:38.43 | javispedro | dm8tbr: weird thing, I guess they are able to make Direct3DMobile drivers for other platforms after all |
| 18:38.47 | rafael2k | Stskeeps: well, but it isn't supposed to only permitt registered binaries to run? |
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| 18:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | not on ID::user |
| 18:41.04 | rafael2k | I was logged as root |
| 18:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmm |
| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | accli -l |
| 18:41.53 | rafael2k | (<- suffering to get a useable workstation on N950) |
| 18:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | aiui paegis lets you run binaries that don't need nor will get granted any special permissions |
| 18:42.11 | javispedro | it shouldn't |
| 18:42.34 | rafael2k | accli -l ? |
| 18:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: so *ssshhhhh* ! ;-P |
| 18:42.50 | rafael2k | is "-l" the right parameter? |
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| 18:43.42 | rafael2k | ooops |
| 18:43.43 | rafael2k | -I |
| 18:44.17 | rafael2k | Mode is normal |
| 18:44.19 | ZogG_N9 | damn i timeouted |
| 18:44.31 | rafael2k | and there are some credentials |
| 18:44.58 | ZogG_N9 | so what is package manager name |
| 18:45.20 | ZogG_N9 | found only on gitorious some projects |
| 18:47.47 | clbr | is it possible to change the from-address for an email account? entered the wrong alias when setting it up |
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| 18:48.38 | rafael2k | DocScrutinizer: Do you have the full toolchain packages correctly installed on the N9(50)? |
| 18:48.39 | ZogG_N9 | damn i closed app by mistake |
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| 18:48.51 | clbr | and I could sweat that PR1.0 had an sqlite3 cli tool, but I can't find it anymore in PR1.1 |
| 18:48.55 | ZogG_N9 | so did i miss an answer? |
| 18:48.57 | clbr | ~swear |
| 18:48.57 | infobot | Heck is a place for people who don't believe in gosh, but only in #utah. |
| 18:49.30 | BluesLee | jabis: for what /etc/skyhost/skypevideocodecs.conf is good if not used? |
| 18:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | rafael2k: none of that |
| 18:49.54 | ZogG_N9 | ~clbr |
| 18:50.19 | ZogG_N9 | ~ping |
| 18:50.19 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:50.41 | clbr | ups, does "~" mean something irc-wise? |
| 18:50.42 | BluesLee | does the n9 kbd provide curso keys? |
| 18:51.26 | clbr | whatever, I'd rather prefer to sweat than to sweat in here |
| 18:51.42 | ZogG_N9 | BluesLee, i saw it only on few apps so no |
| 18:52.17 | clbr | someone played with my keyboard 8-| |
| 18:52.38 | ZogG_N9 | clbr, liar |
| 18:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help |
| 18:53.07 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, damn u |
| 18:53.14 | ZogG_N9 | what for? |
| 18:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart ZogG_N9 |
| 18:53.30 | infobot | cuts off ZogG_N9's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 18:53.51 | ZogG_N9 | ~rape DocScrutinizer |
| 18:53.52 | infobot | ACTION takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 18:54.06 | clbr | but I guess there's is just no way to change the email sender address except playing with the sqlite-database |
| 18:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | she does that twice a day, without you telling her |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 18:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack ZogG_N9 |
| 18:54.26 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing ZogG_N9 |
| 18:54.35 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, where can i find package manager ? |
| 18:54.54 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, im from phone, save my batt |
| 18:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | bah, N9 bat life seems exceptionally great |
| 18:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | nfc about packet manager |
| 18:55.57 | ZogG_N9 | nfc? lol |
| 18:56.32 | ZogG_N9 | it stand for no f clue or nfc device? |
| 18:57.48 | ZogG_N9 | ~package manager n9 |
| 18:57.48 | infobot | ACTION puts manager n9 in an unmarked cardboard box on the top shelf of an inconveniently located closet |
| 18:58.47 | ZogG_N9 | where i find infobot? |
| 18:59.11 | ZogG_N9 | where can i find infobot? |
| 18:59.23 | ZogG_N9 | =( |
| 18:59.53 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (bat life) good news I guess, n950 is for some reason getting worse battery life with each upgrade.. |
| 19:00.47 | BluesLee | jabis: i guess you are working for bk? |
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| 19:01.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro, stop bitching, you have an N950 |
| 19:01.56 | javispedro | MohammadAG: touché |
| 19:02.03 | javispedro | MohammadAG: how's your story? |
| 19:02.26 | MohammadAG | javispedro, to be continued next week |
| 19:02.37 | javispedro | well that's a given |
| 19:02.56 | MohammadAG | can you check my shipment status? |
| 19:03.07 | MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks |
| 19:03.07 | infobot | [israel-sucks] http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A |
| 19:03.07 | javispedro | are they even going to update it again? |
| 19:03.10 | MohammadAG | I'm on 2G |
| 19:03.23 | javispedro | oh, they updated it |
| 19:04.09 | MohammadAG | to Clearance delay? |
| 19:04.16 | MohammadAG | or We're fucking with you |
| 19:04.22 | MohammadAG | Hmm |
| 19:04.25 | javispedro | MohammadAG: but did they "find" it? Or they're still searching |
| 19:04.31 | MohammadAG | we're blaming this on Israel |
| 19:04.36 | MohammadAG | what if it's Aegis's fault |
| 19:04.48 | javispedro | Aegis is a weapon of mass destruction |
| 19:05.58 | w00t | MohammadAG: did you contact DDP? |
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| 19:07.38 | MohammadAG | w00t, yes, they contacted DHL yesterday who then contacted Israel |
| 19:07.55 | MohammadAG | knowing Israel, they probably didn't understand the question and deleted the message |
| 19:08.14 | jesuschrist | hi ppl |
| 19:08.16 | jesuschrist | sup |
| 19:08.22 | w00t | MohammadAG: you really need to move :-P |
| 19:08.29 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I guess that if Nokia keeps poking them, they will eventually send some men in black to your home |
| 19:10.47 | jesuschrist | anyone with a swizterland phone recived the 1.1 update ? |
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| 20:12.27 | ZogG_N9 | sup sup sup |
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| 20:28.32 | jabis | back again |
| 20:28.54 | jabis | blues took off |
| 20:30.53 | Corsac | hmhm, did anyone try to send a calendar event from Harmattan to Fremantle (by mail)? |
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| 20:41.28 | jonni | jesuschrist: switzerland 1.1 images are in navifirm if you havent got ssu yet. |
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| 20:43.34 | kimju | what is navifirm? |
| 20:46.42 | jonni | kimju: 3rd party app which has nice ui to fetch flashing binaries to all nokia phones off from nokia servers |
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| 20:51.18 | ZogG_N9 | is there way to take screens natively or i need an app for that btw? |
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| 20:52.59 | jonni | ZogG_N9: atleast on N9 you need to download free app from ovi store, on N950, there might have been 3-key-combination which takes screenshot |
| 20:53.31 | ZogG_N9 | thanks |
| 20:53.34 | rantom | Control+Shift+P, I think, for N950 |
| 20:53.46 | ZogG_N9 | as at n900 |
| 20:57.05 | merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: there's also a nifty peace of gst command that you can do over ssh |
| 21:01.55 | jesuschrist | jonni : i dont want to risk my n9 with navifirm :\ plus navifirm images are 1.1 gb |
| 21:02.54 | jesuschrist | hey zog |
| 21:02.57 | jesuschrist | you finally got a n9 |
| 21:03.01 | jesuschrist | gj |
| 21:03.24 | jonni | jesuschrist: well navifirm downloads then directly from nokia servers, and nokia care images are 1.1gb also :) |
| 21:03.41 | jonni | then=them |
| 21:03.54 | jesuschrist | yep but isnt offical ota upgrade 200 mb ? |
| 21:04.35 | jonni | ota is only the difference between pr 1.0 and pr1.1, where as those bins are the full sets. |
| 21:04.51 | jonni | ie if you want to fix a brick you need 1.1gb file |
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| 21:05.02 | jesuschrist | exactly, i dont want to navifirm ma n9 yo |
| 21:05.11 | jesuschrist | i can wait, just checking other switz users |
| 21:05.57 | jesuschrist | did you recive the new 1.1 jonni ? |
| 21:06.23 | ZogG_N9 | merlin1991, like apt-get install scrot? =) |
| 21:06.29 | jonni | and full sets usually work better, since then there are no version conflicts that end users might have installed. |
| 21:07.06 | merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: like gst-launch-0.10 ximagesrc num-buffers=1 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! pngenc ! filesink location=screenshot.png |
| 21:07.19 | jonni | jesuschrist: well I've had 1.1 for some while now since I work for the Nokia, flashing those 1.1gb images happily |
| 21:08.21 | ZogG_N9 | merlin1991, i didnt find package manager btw only client from formeego and it has 4 apps, would it read from other repos as well? |
| 21:08.57 | ajalkane | jonni: do you know, as you work for Nokia, when there will be official images for flashing N9s? We've had them for quite some while for N950, but never so far for N9. |
| 21:09.14 | ZogG_N9 | jonni, give us insidet info when pr 005 update is comming? |
| 21:09.15 | merlin1991 | ZogG_N9: I only repeated what I read on the forums, didn't investigate it myself |
| 21:09.27 | ZogG_N9 | =( |
| 21:09.53 | jonni | ajalkane: well those navifirm images are downloaded from nokia servers, so they are the official images, and there is already 005 in there |
| 21:10.28 | ZogG_N9 | jonni, waiting for ota, or ut out too? |
| 21:10.33 | jonni | but if your asking about ota update, they are load balanced and will happed when they will happen, I dont know the dates |
| 21:11.44 | ajalkane | jonni: ok, but the navifirm sw works only in Windows. And it feels kinda "stealthy", not official. No plans for One-Click-Flasher like N950 has? |
| 21:12.14 | jesuschrist | jonni : kill elop, would you ? |
| 21:12.21 | ZogG_N9 | lol |
| 21:12.44 | jesuschrist | in a symbolic way ofc :D |
| 21:12.45 | ajalkane | I'm asking only because my friend bought N9, and I've advised him against activating developer mode until flasher is available since I know at least one instance where the phone entered MALF after activating developer mode. |
| 21:12.54 | jonni | ajalkane: hard to do one-click flasher since there are so many variants, it would make once-click-flasher to be 60gb size :) |
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| 21:14.03 | ajalkane | jonni: alright, I understand. So I guess navifirm is what we got and in that light I can safely advise my friend that he can activate developer mode - the N9 is reflashable somehow. Thanks. |
| 21:14.40 | jonni | ajalkane: navifirm images can fix malf always |
| 21:14.56 | jesuschrist | so navifirm is officially supported by nokia ? |
| 21:15.41 | jonni | jesuschrist: navifirm is not supported by nokia, nokia care is using their own internal software, but that is not available for public. Both those softwares fetch the images from same servers though |
| 21:16.17 | jesuschrist | uh ok |
| 21:16.43 | jesuschrist | actually developer mode has lot of problems tbh |
| 21:16.56 | jesuschrist | installing apps from ovi store kills sshd |
| 21:17.20 | ajalkane | not for me. Installed plenty. Sshd:ing every day. |
| 21:17.36 | jonni | jesuschrist: all the problems that I know are because of ssu, havent heard any problems on developer-mode on devices with full flash. |
| 21:17.48 | jesuschrist | ssu stands for ? |
| 21:17.53 | jonni | ssu=ota |
| 21:18.14 | jesuschrist | jonni : ive noticed that, sometimes when i install apps from ovi store, sshd stop working... |
| 21:18.28 | jesuschrist | happened 3 times |
| 21:19.08 | jesuschrist | since i wouldnt bother to search with the in.built terminal for where the binary was i had to uninstall and reinstall dev mode |
| 21:19.29 | jonni | shouldnt be releated to each other, some times installing app eats a lot of cpu though so it might be releated to some tcp timeout |
| 21:19.41 | jesuschrist | jonni : ps aux | grep sshd |
| 21:19.44 | jesuschrist | nothing there |
| 21:20.36 | jonni | jesuschrist: oh, I'll check internal bugzilla tomorrow, if someone else has noticed the same.... |
| 21:21.01 | jonni | and hmmm, pm |
| 21:21.07 | jesuschrist | another thing jonni since you work for nokia and you are so kind to answer |
| 21:21.19 | jesuschrist | any idea on where ovi suite will support n9 ? |
| 21:23.47 | jonni | jesuschrist: afaik never. |
| 21:23.57 | jesuschrist | wut |
| 21:24.04 | jesuschrist | really ? |
| 21:24.21 | jesuschrist | wow! |
| 21:24.34 | jonni | disclaimer, thats not the official answer of nokia, just me idling here as developer :) |
| 21:24.56 | jesuschrist | how the fuck should i be able to import sms from my old e70 |
| 21:25.06 | jesuschrist | arghhhh |
| 21:25.13 | ZogG_N9 | jonni what have u developed for n9? |
| 21:25.43 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: did you know that an older version of Ovi Suite works with N9, and if you first install that version and upgrade after, you still have it working with N9? |
| 21:26.18 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : yeah i know it! but that doesnt work with sms!!!!! |
| 21:26.25 | jesuschrist | it just sync contacs! |
| 21:26.39 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: ah... didn't know that. Sorry for your loss :-P |
| 21:26.57 | jesuschrist | tried to import sms in .nbu format and wouldnt work! |
| 21:26.57 | ajalkane | I guess you can try putting them into sim-card if it can fit them all :) |
| 21:27.21 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : tried, small sim... |
| 21:27.46 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: Here's what's left: Pen + paper + jesuschrist = fun times |
| 21:28.36 | jesuschrist | :( |
| 21:29.26 | jesuschrist | i could ask for a bigger sim |
| 21:29.27 | jesuschrist | hmmm |
| 21:29.34 | jesuschrist | that would cose me 20 bucks |
| 21:32.20 | ZogG_N9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:32.45 | jesuschrist | sounded like a curse, since he quitted |
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| 21:40.00 | ajalkane | Sounded like blasphemy for sure. Not something you would expect from someone named ZOG. |
| 21:40.30 | Velmont | Hm. Merging contacts is *extremely slow*. Opening a merged contact for editing sometimes doesn't work, and sometimes pops up after a minute(!). Is it known? Any way to debug? |
| 21:41.12 | Velmont | Also, -- bad UX in the merging contacts UI. --- It should not close merging dialog when pressing "Merge" -- it should rather say OK, -- STAY at the same place in the list, and allow you to choose more contacts to merge. |
| 21:41.59 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : zog should stand for ? |
| 21:42.17 | ajalkane | Google it |
| 21:42.19 | Velmont | I've imported my big contact list from gmail (the autofetch feature only got my gtalk contacts (?)), via file, and there's tons of duplicates because N9 already imported the GTalk contacts on its own :-) |
| 21:42.23 | jesuschrist | did it :8 |
| 21:42.26 | ajalkane | I dare not say it aloud |
| 21:43.45 | ajalkane | ZOGgists are often vehement supporters of jesuschrist |
| 21:44.15 | jesuschrist | i thought zoggist are vehement supporters of palestinian genocide |
| 21:44.21 | jesuschrist | or maybe i googled the wrong thing |
| 21:45.12 | ajalkane | You're on the right track, but I think they're mainly on the side of palestinians |
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| 21:45.34 | jesuschrist | oh right |
| 21:50.30 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : how did you import sms ? |
| 21:51.09 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: I didn't. I have nothing of importance in them. They're just chitter chatter for me, so I didn't have to. |
| 21:52.19 | jesuschrist | a real man, no emotions |
| 21:52.23 | jesuschrist | yeaah |
| 21:52.28 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 21:53.19 | ajalkane | I'm just a wanna-be geek. Emotions, I've heard, are for girls not geeks I've heard. |
| 21:53.37 | jesuschrist | actually girls arent for geeks, ive heard |
| 21:53.39 | jesuschrist | :D |
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| 21:54.15 | ajalkane | True. But I'm stuck with my wife, so I have to do with the cards I've been dealt with. |
| 21:55.37 | jesuschrist | whatever, the inhability for "girls" to import their sms still is a big prob |
| 21:57.48 | ajalkane | I'm sure there's some geeky shell script the girls can write to import the sms messages :-P |
| 21:58.42 | ajalkane | Btw. can you export just part of the messages to sim? That way you could import them in suitable amount of messages at a time to N9? |
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| 21:58.57 | jesuschrist | actually ive exported them in .csv |
| 21:59.04 | Venemo | good evening everyone :) |
| 21:59.25 | jesuschrist | i guess a shell script wont be enough, first of all i have no idea in wich format the n9 stores its own sms |
| 21:59.40 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: then it's only a matter of activating your inner geek and writing a script to import them into N9 |
| 21:59.48 | ajalkane | N9 probably stores the messages in Tracker. |
| 22:00.00 | ajalkane | So learn about that and you may find the answer |
| 22:00.10 | Venemo | I've never imagined that Jesus might be interested in the N9. |
| 22:00.25 | ajalkane | Why not? N9 is the second coming of Jesus Christ, I think |
| 22:00.29 | jesuschrist | ajalkane; im work as sysop to pay for my daily bread, so scripting wouldnt be a prob |
| 22:00.33 | Venemo | hehehe |
| 22:00.34 | Venemo | :D |
| 22:01.06 | jesuschrist | whatever ill check one of the backups of the phones i made some days ago |
| 22:02.20 | jesuschrist | Venemo : jesus, they say, is always interested in the forsaken and the forgetten :) |
| 22:02.24 | ajalkane | I gotta admit it's exhilarating to find out that, back in the days Jesus was a carpenter. In the modern world, he's a sysop. Doing scripting magic and invoking spells on his N9. Good times. |
| 22:02.41 | Venemo | jesuschrist, since when is the N9 either forsaken or forgotten? |
| 22:03.31 | jesuschrist | Venemo : have you just landed from mars ? :D |
| 22:04.07 | Venemo | jesuschrist, nope, I'm from the planet Vulcan. |
| 22:04.42 | jesuschrist | Venemo : there are rumors there wont be any ovi suite support for the n9, do your math... |
| 22:05.01 | Venemo | jesuschrist, who the heck cares about ovi suite anyway? |
| 22:05.22 | jesuschrist | it isnt a matter of caring, its another proof of the n9 destiny :\ |
| 22:05.28 | Venemo | every time I installed that crap on my computer, I regretted and uninstalled a day later. |
| 22:06.27 | jesuschrist | the ovi suite may be bloatware (for some) but its nokia official sync software |
| 22:06.39 | merlin1991 | jesuschrist: https://gitorious.org/n900-comhist-import/ |
| 22:06.46 | merlin1991 | is not entirely functional though |
| 22:06.52 | Venemo | ovi sute has never ever supported any of the NITs, N9 is no exception it seems. |
| 22:06.54 | ajalkane | The people, back in the day, were forsaken not by god but by the rules of the pharisee. I think, what our modern day Jesus is here implying is that Elop is the pharisee |
| 22:07.09 | jesuschrist | merlin1991 : i dont have a n900 |
| 22:07.31 | merlin1991 | there's still code that write to the sms db on the n9 |
| 22:07.33 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 22:07.35 | ajalkane | I hope our Jesus goes to the temple of Windows Phone and turns over the tables showing off those abominations |
| 22:08.10 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : i would say Elop is the priest making the holy temple like ebay, selling and preaching in the name of microsoft |
| 22:08.25 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: amen to that. |
| 22:08.44 | jesuschrist | still to be honest i couldnt blame nokia or elop too much |
| 22:08.57 | SpeedEvil | It's not Elop that was teh problem. |
| 22:09.02 | SpeedEvil | The rot hit before Elop |
| 22:09.19 | jesuschrist | nokia was market leader not so long ago.... |
| 22:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:09.23 | ajalkane | I could. The Board of directors were chicken shit. Elop just came in and used their cowardize. |
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| 22:09.38 | Venemo | IMO the real problem was that the Harmattan team failed to deliver on schedule. IMO this was a problem with their management. |
| 22:09.39 | jesuschrist | what else could have they done aja |
| 22:10.00 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, ping |
| 22:10.31 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: they could have gone on course with Maemo. The N9 shows they could have delivered. At worst, they could have taken Windows Phone or Android as another option. Now it's all-in Microsoft. Most dumb thing ever. |
| 22:10.59 | Venemo | ajalkane ++ |
| 22:11.01 | jesuschrist | i guess the all-in microsoft was something microsoft wanted and nokia couldnt say no |
| 22:11.03 | ajalkane | Except for Microsoft of course |
| 22:11.07 | jesuschrist | otherwise no deal |
| 22:11.18 | Venemo | btw, now that they actually HAVE Harmattan... what stops them from releasing 10 more Harmattan phones? |
| 22:11.21 | ajalkane | Well, it's anyway very bad deal for Nokia. |
| 22:11.29 | jesuschrist | android as an option would really have killed nokia imo |
| 22:11.50 | jesuschrist | Venemo : i guess the actual agreement with ms |
| 22:11.58 | merlin1991 | android would probably have spawned a huge lawsuit with apple |
| 22:12.00 | ajalkane | Venemo: it really seems there's something in the ms agreement stopping that |
| 22:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | aka Flop |
| 22:12.13 | Venemo | ajalkane, jesuschrist, it's a stupid thing anyway. |
| 22:12.20 | Venemo | they should never have gone to MS. |
| 22:12.38 | jesuschrist | symbian really sucked, maemo6 came too late |
| 22:12.46 | jesuschrist | market share was sinking |
| 22:12.52 | jesuschrist | tbh i cant blame nokia |
| 22:12.56 | ajalkane | It's very stupid. But it was a good play by MS. Playing on the fears of Nokia's board of directors. |
| 22:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | meego was the initial point where shit started |
| 22:13.36 | jesuschrist | android would have meaned going into a sea of mediocrity tbh |
| 22:13.38 | ajalkane | MeeGo was a mistake. Pushing forward with Maemo was the sensible thing to do. |
| 22:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | or rather Qt |
| 22:13.46 | Venemo | well, they could have just released another few Fremantle phones too. |
| 22:14.10 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : you call them fear, i think it was pretty much real |
| 22:14.10 | Venemo | Qt was actually a good decision. rewriting all their shit in Qt at once was the bad decision. |
| 22:14.11 | petteri | just enjoy the N9 while you can (and troll the internet about nokia ms deal), everything going to sort out nicely in the end :) |
| 22:14.19 | Venemo | petteri ++ :) |
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| 22:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | petteri: s/while/if/ |
| 22:15.56 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: Fear is ok. But Nokia got played on their fear when they cut-off MeeGo/Maemo development just to get Windows Phone. Sensible fear would have been taking Windows Phone or android yet continuing MeeGo / Maemo development and keeping options open. |
| 22:16.29 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : i dont know the financial situation of nokia, but i bet it wasnt (it isnt?) very good |
| 22:16.37 | jesuschrist | ms gave nokia 2 billion dollars |
| 22:16.40 | jesuschrist | for the agreement |
| 22:16.40 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: they have lots of money in the bank |
| 22:16.57 | jesuschrist | you sure about it ? |
| 22:17.10 | ajalkane | 2 billion dollars is peanuts compared to how much they lost in stock value after the deal |
| 22:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:17.34 | jesuschrist | stock value means only for stock holders |
| 22:17.45 | jesuschrist | it doesnt count when you have to pay your workers wages |
| 22:17.47 | ajalkane | Besides, the figure I've heard was 1 billion. And as far as I understand, it was mostly for marketting Windows Phone. Again something for Microsofot. |
| 22:18.07 | jesuschrist | oh cmon, you describe it like it was a complete idiotic move |
| 22:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | it was |
| 22:18.27 | ajalkane | It's not completely idiotic move. But it's, in my opinion, based on fear. |
| 22:18.27 | jesuschrist | you really think that the board of directors of nokia are completely idiots ? |
| 22:18.40 | Venemo | yes. almost. |
| 22:18.40 | ajalkane | They're making themself MS OEM. Lose lose situation in the long run. |
| 22:18.53 | jesuschrist | i dont know how will it end |
| 22:18.53 | ajalkane | I do think most of them are complete idiots. |
| 22:19.06 | jesuschrist | but staying with symbian = 100% death |
| 22:19.18 | ajalkane | sure, but symbian wasn't the only option there was. |
| 22:19.25 | ZogG_N9 | Venemo, hey |
| 22:19.32 | Venemo | ey ZogG_N9 :) what's up? |
| 22:19.32 | ZogG_N9 | loved ur irc chatter |
| 22:19.39 | jesuschrist | meego came when android was already the king |
| 22:19.45 | jesuschrist | what happened to bada |
| 22:19.45 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, thanks :) |
| 22:19.48 | jesuschrist | ?? |
| 22:20.11 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, in fact, hiemanshu and myself have just gave it up. :) but thanks anyway |
| 22:20.25 | ZogG_N9 | Venemo, though i wouldnt use same nav in landscape |
| 22:20.36 | ZogG_N9 | would put it on top |
| 22:21.00 | ZogG_N9 | why would u gave it up? |
| 22:21.33 | ajalkane | Probably the only non-moron that should understand stuff in Nokia's board of directors is Risto Siilasmaa. I wonder why he didn't put up a fight on this. |
| 22:21.50 | ZogG_N9 | i would like reconnect option(changing wifi 2 3g or opposite timeouts) |
| 22:22.11 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, well, there are already other, better IRC clients. we believe that we have the best GUI though, so we're joining efforts with another guy and hist irc client |
| 22:22.47 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, latest master from git can reconnect. :) just never bothered to release a stable version of that. |
| 22:23.31 | ajalkane | Android was the king. But I don't honestly believe this ecosystem crap. A good device with potential for ecosystem can still sell well and create future market. |
| 22:23.40 | jesuschrist | after all nokia is just another capitalistic brand |
| 22:23.47 | jesuschrist | wich means, profits |
| 22:23.52 | jesuschrist | and nothing else |
| 22:24.05 | Venemo | IMO none of the regular casual users care about "ecosystem" or anything like that. |
| 22:24.13 | jesuschrist | i agree ajalkane |
| 22:24.19 | ajalkane | Strictly speaking they should make profits for the shareholders. And their actions since beginning of year have been anything but. |
| 22:24.20 | jesuschrist | but maemo6 came too fucking late |
| 22:24.33 | jesuschrist | and tbh isnt anything revolitionary |
| 22:24.37 | jesuschrist | *it |
| 22:25.03 | SpeedEvil | A n900 refresh in 2010 with 512M would have been positive. |
| 22:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | N900i |
| 22:25.16 | SpeedEvil | And more push into apps. |
| 22:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I asked recently |
| 22:25.26 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : since it is a public company, yes |
| 22:25.51 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : i really believe that in the end nokia will turn this choiches in profits |
| 22:25.56 | ajalkane | I agree Maemo6 would have needed to come year earlier. The whole MeeGo debacle probably was to blame. But even now, I think N9 is great enough that it can stand on its own. But it's been sabotaged by distribution and effort being put into WP |
| 22:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia still has all the molds for case, all the gerber files for PCB etc |
| 22:26.05 | jesuschrist | just to be clear, this isnt making me happy |
| 22:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | they even still have FCC aproval |
| 22:26.45 | SpeedEvil | You don't want to make the n900 now though, you can probably shave the costs if you wanted to put out a refresh |
| 22:27.02 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: who knows... I do know they're putting a lot into this WP thing. The thing is, if they had put similar amounts of effort into N9, it would have been greater success than WP I think. |
| 22:27.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sorry? |
| 22:27.17 | ajalkane | WP isn't exactly anymore proven platform than Maemo |
| 22:27.47 | SpeedEvil | I mean you wouldn't probably want to make a million n900s now with the same BOM |
| 22:27.50 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : wp has 7% market share or something similar... |
| 22:27.50 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:27.54 | SpeedEvil | not BOM |
| 22:28.00 | SpeedEvil | design |
| 22:28.03 | SpeedEvil | yes, that's the word. |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | why not? |
| 22:28.11 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: in germany, by one report. |
| 22:28.25 | jesuschrist | i dont believe meego would ever come close, especially with another competitor in the fight |
| 22:28.32 | jesuschrist | (windows phone) |
| 22:28.33 | SpeedEvil | There may be cheaper equivalent components. |
| 22:29.01 | jesuschrist | especially since phones arent microsoft core business |
| 22:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, might be irrelevant, regarding to overhead for development/evaluation |
| 22:29.14 | ajalkane | It's not the measle WP market share that pulled Nokia into WP. It was the ecosystem spin. MS muscle, Win8 which gives vertical integration possibilities etc. That was the sales pitch. |
| 22:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 22:29.30 | jesuschrist | and everyone knows the aggressive strategy of microsoft, selling with a loss to get market shares |
| 22:29.43 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : yep that too |
| 22:30.00 | jesuschrist | something that with apple works very well |
| 22:30.09 | jesuschrist | in a company point of view |
| 22:30.12 | ajalkane | It's still just plainly stupid to put all eggs into one basket. |
| 22:30.24 | ajalkane | If the WP thing fails, it's not MS that falls. It's Nokia. |
| 22:30.45 | ZogG_N9 | Venemo, ui is really good, so u merging yours with other client? whats the name where to get? |
| 22:30.46 | jesuschrist | they will still have the low budget phone market |
| 22:30.55 | jesuschrist | with melteni (is that the right name?) |
| 22:31.06 | Venemo | anyone knows what's the music in the flash stuff at http://swipe.nokia.com/features/ ? |
| 22:31.16 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, it's not done yet. so no details yet. |
| 22:31.51 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: True. I still think it's stupid to bet on MS. But that's just my opinion. It's not like I'm a chair in the board of directors, or ever will be :) |
| 22:32.12 | jesuschrist | anyway nothing is static, its not totally sure there wont be a turn back |
| 22:32.51 | Venemo | just look at N9 sales. they speak for themselves. (it sells well AFAIK, even though N9 is IMO very overpriced) |
| 22:32.52 | ajalkane | That's true. I'm just personally annoyed of having the first phone in 5 years that excites me, only to hear that it will not have a successor no matter what. |
| 22:33.34 | jesuschrist | lets be honest here :) part of the thrill is exactly the fact that is the last of his kind |
| 22:33.53 | jesuschrist | because imo the n900 was much better |
| 22:33.59 | Venemo | ajalkane, I don't fully believe that "will not have a successor" part of the story |
| 22:34.00 | jesuschrist | even if i have never had one |
| 22:34.00 | ajalkane | Venemo: right. No matter how doomed it's marketed to be, it's still selling well because it's good |
| 22:34.40 | Venemo | ajalkane, yeah |
| 22:34.51 | Venemo | ajalkane, oh. and the city is pretty much spammed with N9 ads where I live |
| 22:34.53 | jesuschrist | its like iron maiden, every fucking year they say "this is the last gig we doooooo" |
| 22:34.56 | ajalkane | Venemo: I don't either. It's just that Nokia has lost a lot of workforce that made the original one happen. If they change their tune there's going to be an up-hill battle to get the project going again. |
| 22:35.20 | Venemo | ajalkane, maybe "Meltemi" will be a successor to Harmattan on some level. |
| 22:35.20 | jesuschrist | so i saw them 3 times |
| 22:35.55 | ajalkane | Venemo: On some level. But Meltemi is feature phones. Small screen, long battery times. Very stripped down compared to N9. |
| 22:36.12 | jesuschrist | still i believe meltemi will sell a lot |
| 22:36.21 | jesuschrist | nokia is a strong brand in developing countries |
| 22:36.26 | Venemo | I wouldn't call phones which run Linux and Qt apps "feature phones". |
| 22:36.29 | jesuschrist | and it is in europe as well |
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| 22:36.58 | Venemo | in any way, Meltemi phones may even be more affordable than N9(x0) |
| 22:37.09 | ajalkane | It may sell well. But as can be seen by the talking heads, it's just basically the Swipe interface. It probably won't be even as open as N9 was. Locked down, linux core, Swipe on top. |
| 22:37.24 | Venemo | who knows? |
| 22:37.34 | jesuschrist | yeah probably it will be like that |
| 22:37.43 | ajalkane | Nobody knows. This is just my prediction watching what the top directors say. |
| 22:37.54 | jabis | wassup guise |
| 22:38.00 | ajalkane | What's clear is that it will be stripped down. Because it's featurephones. |
| 22:38.11 | jesuschrist | most of the ppl dont need an open phone |
| 22:38.13 | Venemo | ajalkane, again. "feature" phones which will run Qt apps. |
| 22:39.01 | ajalkane | I'm glad they run Qt apps. Gives some future for Qt in Nokia. But will it excite me personally? Time will tell, at the moment I'm doubtful |
| 22:39.36 | Venemo | ajalkane, they're saying that Qt will run on their "next billion" phones |
| 22:39.43 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: that's true. But many developers appreciate it. Many geeks appreciate it. That translates via word-of-mouth in time to increased sales. |
| 22:40.25 | jesuschrist | ajalkane: "That translates via word-of-mouth in time to increased sales." |
| 22:40.39 | jesuschrist | thats totally false, and you know it :D |
| 22:40.44 | jesuschrist | wheres openmoko now |
| 22:41.11 | ajalkane | Venemo: yeah, but that doesn't mean you can drop into shell and ssh somewhere using those phones. Qt is open-source, the linux kernel is open-source. Probably their browser even uses WebKit which is open-source. Otherwise it's a locked phone, which small screen. Not something that 99% of this channel will find enticing. |
| 22:41.15 | jesuschrist | a geek product cant, by definition, be something for the masses |
| 22:41.25 | ajalkane | Just my initial impressions, but I'm happy if I'm wrong and it's something great. |
| 22:41.29 | Venemo | ajalkane, if that will be the case, then I agree. |
| 22:41.40 | ZogG_N9 | Venemo, put me on beta testers list |
| 22:42.14 | Venemo | ajalkane, however, if they'll offer a sensible looking and well priced model based on that, I may prefer to buy that against wp or android. |
| 22:42.29 | SpeedEvil | jesuschrist: The PC |
| 22:42.39 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: it's not false. At least I know that my clueless relatives are always asking my opinion about computers and gadgets because they know I'm into that stuff. So that kind of word-of-mouth builds momentum in time. It's not instantious, but it is infective. |
| 22:43.37 | jesuschrist | SpeedEvil ; the pc became "mainstream" once it became a communication device |
| 22:43.39 | ajalkane | Venemo: Yes, I may well go that route as well. The future may well be best of worst possible choices. In fact it is that already as there is no perfect alternative. |
| 22:44.06 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : would you recommend the n9 ? tbh i wouldnt |
| 22:44.25 | Venemo | ajalkane, also, if Tizen actually delivers any products next year, those could be good as well. |
| 22:44.26 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: I would for a casual user. |
| 22:44.37 | Venemo | jesuschrist, N9 for a casual/nongeek user? for sure! |
| 22:44.46 | ajalkane | Venemo: they could be. Too much is unknown about Tizen at the moment. |
| 22:44.54 | jesuschrist | a casual user would be more happy with the apps androids/ios has! |
| 22:45.07 | jesuschrist | otherwise you dont need it, just get a nokia 3310 |
| 22:45.08 | Venemo | jesuschrist, that's unture. |
| 22:45.17 | ajalkane | I don't think a normal mom and pop type cares about the apps. |
| 22:45.24 | Venemo | jesuschrist, N9 has a superior user experience |
| 22:45.41 | ajalkane | If someone asked me about buying N9 over android, I would ask is there any apps on android that he needs. |
| 22:46.01 | ajalkane | If he has some apps he needs that don't exist on N9, then I would recommend Android. |
| 22:46.48 | jesuschrist | superior user experience just sounds like marketing gibberish venemo tbh |
| 22:47.19 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : would you really recommend such a pricy phone over android ? |
| 22:47.34 | Venemo | jesuschrist, for me, double tap to wake up is very nice. also swipe is very good UX once you get used to it. |
| 22:47.41 | Venemo | jesuschrist, this is strictly IMO |
| 22:48.13 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: price is another factor. Let's say that the person can afford either one, then I would recommend N9. Of course N9 is overpriced at the moment, so if money was deciding factor, then no. |
| 22:48.53 | Venemo | if price is a limiting factor, I'd suggest them to wait a couple of months and buy a used N9 |
| 22:48.57 | jabis | I'd like to recommend N9 for the rest of our company, but as I struggle now to get the very basic systems working over iPple and android phones - I'm mostly invigorating people from sales dept - so they can look cool |
| 22:49.14 | ajalkane | The over-the-top prce is just another Elop strategy |
| 22:49.26 | Venemo | ajalkane ++ |
| 22:49.35 | SpeedEvil | See .my |
| 22:49.44 | jesuschrist | the over the top price is what drove apple where it is now... |
| 22:49.53 | jesuschrist | it sucks but works |
| 22:50.09 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: Apple has a fanatic legion of fans. Nokia doesn't |
| 22:50.12 | Venemo | btw, in september, I recall someone here saying that the N9 will be ~400 EUR... |
| 22:50.22 | jabis | the over the top price came from the recognized brand and a clueless-friendly UX |
| 22:50.29 | jesuschrist | i would say that the fanatic legion came AFTER apple politics and not before |
| 22:50.59 | Venemo | ajalkane, wut? Nokia has a lot of fanatic zealots too... |
| 22:51.08 | jesuschrist | i bought the n9 for 450 and sometimes i still think i paied too much :( |
| 22:51.09 | Venemo | has always had them |
| 22:51.17 | ajalkane | The price of N9 is based only on two things: 1) monetizing, or recuperating the costs put into MeeGo development, 2) trying to limit success so that WP gets to shine |
| 22:51.29 | jabis | N9 gathered a lot of traction here (in Finland) not because it was marketed, but because it was seemingly _better_ than the alternatives |
| 22:51.45 | ZogG_N9 | jer |
| 22:51.55 | ajalkane | Venemo: true, but there's lots of Symbian phones to keep the fanatics at bay ;) |
| 22:52.11 | jesuschrist | yeah but the "better" illusion was also created by "last-of-his-kind-forever-hurry-up-people" effect |
| 22:52.23 | ajalkane | And I'd say an average Apple fanatic is more used to paying over-the-top price than a Nokia fanatic. |
| 22:52.59 | ZogG_N9 | jesuschrist, u bought n950? |
| 22:53.06 | ZogG_N9 | where? |
| 22:53.21 | jesuschrist | n9 for 450 euro, not n950 |
| 22:53.25 | jabis | that doesn't make meego any less "sexy" a platform - it has sold more in pre-sales than thought out in the first place for the whole production line X) |
| 22:53.28 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: where did you get it that cheap? |
| 22:53.59 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : second hand from an apple fan who bought it and wanted to sell it to get the new 4s |
| 22:54.11 | jabis | 4S came as a disappointment too which gave it more traction too x) |
| 22:54.14 | Venemo | heheh |
| 22:54.36 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: that was good luck. IMO, I'd pay 500€ for the 64Gb model. |
| 22:54.36 | jesuschrist | ofc its the 16gb version |
| 22:54.46 | Venemo | in any case. I'm happy to have the N950. wouldn't have money for the N9 anyway. |
| 22:54.47 | ZogG_N9 | ios 5 is a joke |
| 22:54.59 | jesuschrist | 500 for 64gb is a real deal |
| 22:55.28 | ajalkane | Venemo: I'm in the same boat. I do want N9, but I couldn't afford it right now. I hope the cost falls down early next year and maybe I can afford it. |
| 22:55.32 | jesuschrist | but i think you misunderstood me, i paied 450 for the 16 gb |
| 22:55.47 | jabis | I'm still waiting for 950's for our r&d, I hate breaking CE products in favor of developing x) |
| 22:56.00 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: No, I understood that. I'm just saying that if the 64Gb model was 500€ I'd think it's fair price |
| 22:56.12 | ZogG_N9 | 550 for 64 and bj would be good =) |
| 22:56.29 | ajalkane | bj is always good |
| 22:56.30 | ZogG_N9 | south park is cool |
| 22:56.47 | Venemo | ajalkane, well, as long as I have the N950, I won't want to buy the N9 :) |
| 22:57.04 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : i think i saw some new 16 gb model for 500 euro on ebay |
| 22:57.17 | ajalkane | Venemo: I actually do want to buy N9 even as I have N950. But I do have to wait when I have the money to do it. |
| 22:57.40 | jesuschrist | why getting the n9 if you have the n950 ? |
| 22:57.42 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: I want 64. For the 16Gb model I think under 400€ would be ok |
| 22:57.47 | jabis | after-christmas market is when it'll drop (the finnish way to handle business) |
| 22:58.06 | jesuschrist | yeah especially since, you dont get 16 gb of free space, but 8.80... |
| 22:58.12 | Venemo | ajalkane :) |
| 22:58.22 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: slimmer, notifications on stand-by. Just a cooler phone. I could keep the N950 purely for development / messing around then. |
| 22:58.28 | Venemo | ajalkane, well, if it gets cheaper and I get richer, I may want to get a white 64GB N9. |
| 22:59.04 | jabis | I hate to use my work phone for testing too, ajalkane x) |
| 22:59.28 | jabis | but if I don't do it - we'll get no software written ever x) |
| 22:59.42 | jesuschrist | ajalkane : what about a phone exchange ? :D |
| 22:59.59 | ajalkane | jabis: right ;) |
| 23:00.24 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: Well I can't exchange. It's part of the development program rules. |
| 23:00.51 | ajalkane | I follow the rules I sign into. I'm funny like that :P |
| 23:01.02 | Venemo | jesuschrist, N950 is still owned by Nokia, only loaned to us. so we can't give it to you. |
| 23:01.22 | jabis | then again 250 N950's compared to 20-30000 lumia feels like a bitchslap on my dick x) |
| 23:01.22 | jesuschrist | i was joking, relax, no nokia cops here |
| 23:01.23 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 23:01.25 | ajalkane | Besides, there's something quite cool having a phone as rare as N950. |
| 23:01.32 | jabis | tho we need those phones too -.- |
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| 23:01.40 | Venemo | ajalkane yeah |
| 23:02.05 | Venemo | ajalkane, the way people are looking at the N950 when I use it... is worth it! |
| 23:02.55 | ajalkane | Venemo: yeah, I've had a couple of inquiries if that's the N9. And the puzzlement is quite visible when showing the keyboard and explaining what it is. |
| 23:03.24 | jesuschrist | "what are keyboard herp derp" |
| 23:03.26 | jesuschrist | ? |
| 23:03.26 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 23:03.50 | jabis | ajalkane, I may have to come show tits and claim your phone -.- x) |
| 23:03.56 | Venemo | well, none of my acquintances actually knew about da N9. but many of them noted that they've never seen a Nokia phone like this before. |
| 23:04.10 | Venemo | some mistook it for the E7, but that was quite a rare reaction. |
| 23:04.16 | ajalkane | jabis: you better be a woman or you don't stand a chacne |
| 23:04.28 | ajalkane | I sleep with my N950 |
| 23:04.29 | jabis | I have pictures - come on -.- |
| 23:04.44 | jesuschrist | pass the pics in query aja |
| 23:04.51 | Venemo | I sleep with my N950 too :) ajalkane :) |
| 23:05.05 | jabis | PERVERTS - ALL OVER THE PLACE :O |
| 23:05.06 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 23:05.12 | jabis | ahaha :D |
| 23:05.34 | jabis | it's not THAT smart a phone to evade your puny asses x) |
| 23:05.38 | Venemo | well, to be exact, I usually plug in my earphones and listen to music from the N950 while falling asleep. |
| 23:05.44 | toninikkanen | i went to a Nokia Lumia launch event wielding the N950 and no-one took notice |
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| 23:06.21 | ajalkane | I hug it. My wife gets sometimes jealous. But what can I do. The N950 is part of my family now. |
| 23:06.42 | jesuschrist | lol |
| 23:06.59 | toninikkanen | if i had a n950 that lasted longer than my wife does, i'd feel the same as well |
| 23:06.59 | jabis | N9 > L800 |
| 23:07.15 | toninikkanen | jabis: lexicographically speaking, you're right |
| 23:07.21 | Venemo | ajalkane, but you hug your wife too, don't you? |
| 23:07.26 | jabis | of course I am x) doh |
| 23:07.55 | jabis | I hug ajalkanes wife - even he doesn't like it -.- |
| 23:08.02 | jesuschrist | do you guys have REAL GOLF 2011 (woohoo) on n950 as well ? |
| 23:08.03 | ajalkane | Venemo: I do, quite much. But women can be irrational, they don't always understand I can love my N950 and her too! |
| 23:08.16 | Venemo | ajalkane, hehehe |
| 23:08.21 | ajalkane | I don't have the golf thing |
| 23:08.30 | jabis | lol - real golf (>300mb) why couldn't I update without it x |
| 23:08.33 | jesuschrist | pity you |
| 23:08.47 | ajalkane | jabis: Well, if you have as good tits as you advertised, I don't mind watching you hugging my wife. |
| 23:09.21 | jabis | ajalkane: also I've a marvelous ASS that (women) tend to grab on -.- |
| 23:09.39 | ajalkane | jabis: shit, you say you have great man tits and a tight ass? |
| 23:09.58 | jesuschrist | women betray you, the n950 doesnt aja! |
| 23:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | hooker800 still to be seen how great it actually is |
| 23:10.09 | ajalkane | Okay, I withdraw, I don't want to watch you hugging my wife. I'll hug my wife and my N950 at the same time |
| 23:10.16 | macmaN | wouldnt be too sure about that |
| 23:10.20 | jabis | ajal, if I hadn't such a dick - you'd get fooled X) |
| 23:10.33 | macmaN | today the woman was sending some pics from her N9 to my N950 over BT |
| 23:10.37 | macmaN | N950 totally UI locked |
| 23:10.48 | macmaN | the file acceptance dialog somehow gets hung underneath the lock screen |
| 23:10.48 | jesuschrist | to protect you |
| 23:11.00 | ajalkane | jesuschrist: True true. Sniff... You can't count on women. But N950. Best friends forever. |
| 23:11.30 | macmaN | if you swipe away lock screen, the accept dialog is shown while swiping, then immediately is dropped in favor of news feed home screen, that wont accept any input. only reboot helped. |
| 23:11.43 | Venemo | well, I've held a Lumia 800 in my hands. hw-wise it's just an N9. it feels good in the hand, but WP7 feels in some way alien on it. |
| 23:11.46 | macmaN | i consider that cheating on me |
| 23:12.16 | ajalkane | jabis: I've heard some horror stories of good looking women with dicks. Marrying has some good benefits, as you never have to experience that |
| 23:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | macmaN: HAHAHA |
| 23:12.45 | SpeedEvil | ~ $ dmesg|head |
| 23:12.46 | SpeedEvil | [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu |
| 23:12.46 | SpeedEvil | [ 0.000000] Linux version 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 (bifh2@) (gcc version 4.4.1 ('cs2009q3-hard-67-sb16') ) #1 PREEMPT Mon Sep 12 11:29:43 EEST 2011 |
| 23:12.46 | SpeedEvil | [ 0.000000] Machine: Nokia RM-680 board |
| 23:12.52 | SpeedEvil | (latest OTA) |
| 23:13.05 | toninikkanen | RM-680 aahhh... not RM-803 ahhhh |
| 23:13.13 | macmaN | SpeedEvil: whataboutit |
| 23:14.03 | jabis | ajalkane: luckily I'm married so you don't have to get confused then x) |
| 23:15.17 | ajalkane | jabis: yeah but the worls is full of confusion. I've heard wild tales of thailand "girls". But being married makes me luckily immune to them also. |
| 23:15.45 | ajalkane | God bless marriage. And N9(50). Keeps a man honest. |
| 23:15.54 | Venemo | heheh :) |
| 23:16.08 | ZogG_N9 | wft wrong with you people? |
| 23:16.19 | jabis | lol |
| 23:16.21 | ZogG_N9 | be cool like Venemo |
| 23:16.29 | Venemo | wut, they're cool too |
| 23:16.32 | ZogG_N9 | ~give a beer to Venemo |
| 23:16.32 | infobot | ACTION gives beer to Venemo to a |
| 23:16.50 | ZogG_N9 | =( |
| 23:16.53 | jabis | venemo screws everything with or without crotch |
| 23:17.07 | ajalkane | Dude... not everyone can be cool like Venemo. We just have to be cool like... umm... some boho that got into this channel :) |
| 23:17.21 | Venemo | lol |
| 23:17.34 | ZogG_N9 | hey hey |
| 23:17.40 | jabis | I knew there was SOME truth here x) |
| 23:18.07 | ZogG_N9 | ~zogg |
| 23:18.24 | ZogG_N9 | ~ZogG |
| 23:18.30 | jabis | ~tits |
| 23:18.30 | infobot | What about them? |
| 23:18.34 | ajalkane | I wonder if Nokia Store would accept a game of Elop screwing everything with or without a scrotch... |
| 23:18.35 | jabis | x) |
| 23:18.41 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, is it per chan settings? |
| 23:19.15 | jabis | ajal, that would be more like an animation x) |
| 23:19.24 | ZogG_N9 | btw there was elop related game in o i |
| 23:19.40 | ajalkane | ZogG_N9: yeah the one where he was putting out fires? |
| 23:19.44 | jabis | o i sounds disturbingly like i/o x) |
| 23:19.45 | ZogG_N9 | ovi* |
| 23:19.47 | ajalkane | It was rapidly removed |
| 23:19.57 | ajalkane | I don't understand why. Sounded fun :) |
| 23:20.15 | ZogG_N9 | if i woukd him i would preview n9 with it =) |
| 23:20.24 | Venemo | ~MohammadAG |
| 23:20.24 | infobot | [mohammadag] your father, or **special** |
| 23:20.26 | jabis | e-loping was a game written in qbasic |
| 23:20.26 | jesuschrist | lol there was an app on elop ? :D |
| 23:21.27 | ajalkane | it even had quite nice graphics |
| 23:21.47 | jesuschrist | for n9 ? |
| 23:22.04 | ZogG_N9 | is it arounf anywhere? |
| 23:22.06 | ajalkane | No... symbian. It was before N9 got released. |
| 23:22.17 | ZogG_N9 | and what happrned.to uploader? |
| 23:22.35 | jabis | man my cats are furious - try to rid them of my mattress both miaou and hiss you to death ;< |
| 23:23.02 | ajalkane | The uploader is dead already, of course, but I think the binary is floating somewhere in internet. |
| 23:23.47 | jesuschrist | killed by finnish hitmen |
| 23:23.55 | jesuschrist | :( |
| 23:24.40 | ajalkane | No. Finnish people only try to make victim drink so much he pukes. This was done by Elop's true masters at MS. No kidding. |
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| 23:24.52 | jabis | why did you have to drag us into it *polishing the RK-62* |
| 23:25.30 | toninikkanen | rk-62 is a poor example of original finnish design |
| 23:25.35 | toninikkanen | being based on the ak-47 |
| 23:25.52 | jesuschrist | russia always been a step ahead |
| 23:26.12 | jabis | have to commend eflop tho, no other CEO has managed to plummet over 60% of value in such short time |
| 23:26.24 | toninikkanen | ak-4 being based on the german mp-40 .. :) but everything in this world is based on something else so |
| 23:26.34 | ZogG_N9 | ak is stolen as well |
| 23:26.41 | toninikkanen | jabis: oh really? i wouldn't give mr. apotheker much credit either |
| 23:26.43 | ZogG_N9 | from germans |
| 23:27.09 | toninikkanen | de zermans |
| 23:27.11 | ZogG_N9 | zee germans like turkish said |
| 23:27.16 | jabis | toni, true dat - but still if you look at pure stock value eflop nailed it x) |
| 23:28.19 | ZogG_N9 | =) |
| 23:28.23 | ajalkane | Elop's done great job at making Nokia sale worthy. |
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| 23:28.31 | jabis | I managed to sell when the value was "high enough" just when eflop was announced - too bad my buddies didn't - my portfolio still looking bright and shiney x) |
| 23:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: is *what* per-cah setting? |
| 23:29.09 | ZogG_N9 | what? |
| 23:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | per-chan* |
| 23:29.25 | ZogG_N9 | ow the bot |
| 23:29.28 | jabis | per-cah sounds like klingon x) |
| 23:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | capplah |
| 23:29.56 | toninikkanen | sale rumos schlale schrumorszh |
| 23:30.18 | jabis | K'Plah or some shit like that x) |
| 23:30.19 | ZogG_N9 | here is toni |
| 23:30.22 | toninikkanen | i only believe that if some part of nokia were sold it would be the "services" division |
| 23:30.27 | toninikkanen | in microsoft context... |
| 23:30.30 | ZogG_N9 | bullet in the teeth |
| 23:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: still lost on what you wanna know |
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| 23:31.02 | toninikkanen | which, as it is, is a nice package of navteq and location based services assets |
| 23:31.45 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, bever mind |
| 23:31.59 | jabis | toni, I wouldn't be too surprised after the plummeting - tho I believe the high tech functions would still be only acchievable here |
| 23:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chanset #harmattan |
| 23:32.03 | infobot | chan: #harmattan (see _default also) |
| 23:32.03 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.28 | jabis | ~tits again |
| 23:32.34 | jabis | ~tits |
| 23:32.34 | infobot | What about them? |
| 23:33.09 | ZogG_N9 | ~boobies are better than tits |
| 23:33.09 | infobot | ...but boobies is already something else... |
| 23:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo tits |
| 23:33.12 | infobot | tits -- created by sylvanaar <~sylvanaar@unaffiliated/sylvanaar> at Sun Jan 23 03:28:02 2011 (291 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by jabis, 38s ago. |
| 23:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal tits |
| 23:33.23 | infobot | "tits" is "<reply>What about them?" |
| 23:33.31 | ZogG_N9 | ~boobies |
| 23:33.31 | infobot | boobies are always fun to play with, or very big |
| 23:33.58 | ZogG_N9 | ~ai is DocScrutinizer himself |
| 23:33.58 | infobot | ...but ai is already something else... |
| 23:34.08 | ZogG_N9 | damn =( |
| 23:34.13 | jabis | nice with them mammaries here X) |
| 23:34.33 | ZogG_N9 | but we know he is bot |
| 23:34.41 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer is bot |
| 23:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:34.47 | jabis | he as in Doc or info |
| 23:35.00 | jabis | ~tits |
| 23:35.01 | infobot | What about them? |
| 23:35.09 | jabis | ~doctits |
| 23:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are talking about |
| 23:35.16 | jabis | lol |
| 23:35.48 | jabis | 22:34 < jabis> ~tits |
| 23:35.48 | jabis | 22:35 <+infobot> What about them? |
| 23:35.48 | jabis | 22:35 < jabis> ~doctits |
| 23:35.48 | jabis | 22:35 < DocScrutinizer> I don't know what you are talking about |
| 23:36.15 | jabis | that'll keep me humoured a long while x) luckily I'm with stupid x) |
| 23:37.22 | Venemo | :D |
| 23:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: (per-chan) usually there's not much per-chan settings in infobot, so also no per-chan factoids |
| 23:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: though see |
| 23:39.06 | jesuschrist | good n8 ppl |
| 23:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chanset #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:39.12 | infobot | chan: #openmoko-cdevel (see _default also) |
| 23:39.12 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.14 | jesuschrist | good n9 ppl ? :) |
| 23:39.20 | jesuschrist | see you |
| 23:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 23:39.39 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 23:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~ #openmoko-cdevel logs |
| 23:39.57 | infobot | logs are on http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily --- livelogs are http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt and http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/#openmoko-cdevel.livelog |
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| 23:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | factoidSearch => $chan #openmoko _default means infobot will search for factoids like "#openmoko <factoidname>" first for all ~factoid queries in #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:43.11 | *** join/#harmattan jpnurmi (jpnurmi@hilla.kapsi.fi) |
| 23:43.11 | *** join/#harmattan jpnurmi (jpnurmi@libqxt/developer/jpnurmi) |
| 23:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | also means all factoid definitions like "~foo is bar" will get stored like "#openmoko foo -> bar" when done in that channel |
| 23:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | umm, actually I'm not all sure about that last part |
| 23:45.36 | jabis | ~scrutinizing is schmutinizing |
| 23:45.36 | infobot | okay, jabis |
| 23:46.13 | jabis | test it via another channel then ^^ |
| 23:47.49 | ZogG_N9 | 01:46 infobot: it has been said that scrutinizing is schmutinizing |
| 23:47.53 | Venemo | btw |
| 23:48.04 | Venemo | how can I add my own pic to the Harmattan lockscreen backgrounds? |
| 23:48.25 | ZogG_N9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.46 | ZogG_N9 | put my pic |
| 23:48.49 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, bored of the default ones. |
| 23:48.54 | Venemo | MEH, I didn't mean it like that. |
| 23:49.16 | ZogG_N9 | u have wallpapers album i think |
| 23:49.31 | Venemo | I mean: how can I add a custom pic to the Harmattan lockscreen? |
| 23:49.36 | ZogG_N9 | and in settings you set it |
| 23:49.46 | Venemo | hmm |
| 23:49.49 | Venemo | wallpapers album? |
| 23:50.55 | jabis | loldongzorz |
| 23:51.36 | jabis | ~scrutinizing is a state of mind deducted from a point of view without conception |
| 23:51.36 | infobot | ...but scrutinizing is already something else... |
| 23:51.42 | jabis | lol |
| 23:51.55 | Venemo | ~scrutinizing |
| 23:51.55 | infobot | methinks scrutinizing is schmutinizing |
| 23:53.25 | ZogG_N9 | venemo /home/user/.wallpaper |
| 23:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, scrutinizing is what DocScrutinizer does after eating some datasheets for breakfast |
| 23:54.12 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 23:54.20 | ZogG_N9 | but there is only one here though they have folder with few and if u choose it copies it to folder i said |
| 23:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~lock scrutinizing |
| 23:54.24 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: locking factoid scrutinizing |
| 23:54.41 | ZogG_N9 | =( |
| 23:55.27 | jabis | that sounds |
| 23:55.29 | jabis | like |
| 23:56.36 | jabis | ~hitlerizing is ultimately deciding that certain people with tits have lesser equal rights than the one with titties |
| 23:56.36 | infobot | jabis: okay |
| 23:56.46 | jabis | ~lock hitlerizing |
| 23:56.50 | jabis | x) |
| 23:56.56 | ZogG_N9 | lol |
| 23:57.07 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, is dictator |
| 23:57.33 | jabis | all hail titties then \o/ |
| 23:57.49 | Venemo | ZogG_N9, awww! there is "Set as wallpaper" in the gallery app!!! :D |
| 23:57.57 | jabis | making weird sounds of people cheering for titties |
| 23:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo scrutinizing |
| 23:58.42 | infobot | scrutinizing -- created by jabis <~jabis@alpha.pumppumedia.com> 13m 6s ago; last modified 4m 30s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 2 times, last by Venemo, 6m 47s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 23:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help lock |
| 23:59.36 | jabis | ~lock titties amazing |
