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| 08:53.44 | qronic | damn, my phone just ran into MALF state |
| 08:54.08 | qronic | is that possible to boot it into console andremove the file causing MALF? |
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| 09:22.22 | jonni | qronic: if you have serial console jig for your n950, then yes, otherwise no |
| 09:22.45 | lardman|home | morning all |
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| 09:22.55 | qronic | jonni, what about using flasher and booting it into n950 kernel like here: http://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt? |
| 09:23.12 | qronic | will I be able to rm -rf that file causing MALF? |
| 09:23.38 | qronic | exact command: sudo flasher --load -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 --boot |
| 09:24.18 | lardman|home | another QML question: if I create a QML graphical object (a C++ class with the appropriate wrapper) in C++ and directly insert the object into the QML context via the setContextProperty() call, how do I set properties of said object (e.g. anchors)? |
| 09:24.46 | jonni | qronic: ah yes, if nemo is able to mount the filesystem then you are able to fix malf |
| 09:25.00 | jonni | qronic: I havent tried nemo though |
| 09:25.54 | lardman|home | hmm, I guess I can use AnchorChanges {} and PropertyChanges {} |
| 09:26.58 | lardman|home | unfortunately that requires me to generate a state change once the page loads, not the end of the world, but is there an easier way? |
| 09:28.53 | lardman|home | hmm, /me wonders if he can use a state with "" as the name to get the changes to be implemented automatically |
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| 09:34.51 | jonni | just use setProperty() to qobject |
| 09:38.00 | lardman|home | jonni: it would be nice to do all of the layout in qml if pos |
| 09:38.42 | lardman|home | so yeah I could remove the PropertyChanges bit, thanks |
| 09:39.57 | lardman|home | does this work: states [ state { name: "", blah } ] to alter the default settings or do I need to generate an explicit state? |
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| 09:47.11 | qronic | who knows how can I delete a file from /tmp when booting with rescue kernel? |
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| 09:48.08 | qronic | and /tmp is empty, though the MALFing file is in there |
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| 09:49.40 | jonni | qronic: malf file is not in tmp |
| 09:49.58 | qronic | It shows on MALF screen /mylib.so |
| 09:50.04 | qronic | but it was placed into /tmp |
| 09:50.08 | qronic | for sure |
| 09:50.22 | qronic | and find /mnt/rootfs-ofn9 -name mylib.so returns nothing |
| 09:50.40 | qronic | as expected, since I've placed it into /tmp |
| 09:51.31 | jonni | qronic: malf file is always at /var/malf and I'm 100% sure about it, since I've fixed tons of malf's from serial console |
| 09:52.13 | qronic | jonni, cat /var/malf shows: SECURITY telinit /mylib.so |
| 09:53.02 | Arkenoi | serial console? |
| 09:53.09 | jonni | qronic: and if you rm /var/malf, then phone boots up again, but if you have conflicting refhashlist, then it will create malf file again |
| 09:53.30 | qronic | jonni, ok, will try now, though I didn't mess with куарфырдшые |
| 09:53.35 | Arkenoi | what is it attached to? |
| 09:53.43 | qronic | with refhashlist |
| 09:53.57 | qronic | Arkenoi, usb with rescue kernel booted via flasher |
| 09:53.58 | jonni | Arkenoi: serial console pins which are under the n950 battery. |
| 09:54.54 | jonni | qronic: if refhashlist is at valid state then rm /var/malf should fix it just fine |
| 09:55.11 | Arkenoi | jonni: are they similar to other nokia phones? |
| 09:55.40 | jonni | Arkenoi: I have no idea |
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| 09:56.29 | qronic | jonni, it did boot! |
| 09:57.01 | qronic | thank you! gotta remember that /var/malf filename for future MALF states |
| 09:58.00 | dm8tbr | qronic: care to add it to the meego wiki how to fix a malf? :) |
| 09:58.19 | jonni | oh btw that only fixes the most common malf states, ie if you happen to mess up really system critical bins, then the malf can only be fixed by reflashing. |
| 09:58.45 | qronic | it's not a fix :) it's more of a "try to boot another time, maybe MALF is gone" |
| 10:01.28 | qronic | dm8tbr, where's the wiki url? |
| 10:02.31 | dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page - maybe not to the page itself, but create another page under N950/foo and link to it from there |
| 10:02.53 | dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Developing sounds like a good place to add such a link |
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| 10:05.29 | Corsac | jonni: do you know if there's a way to receive a mail when info is added to a bug on developer.n.c? |
| 10:11.01 | jonni | Corsac: no idea, I dont really use that site at all |
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| 10:30.39 | Corsac | jonni: ha, ok |
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| 10:31.43 | diggy | hi all |
| 10:47.51 | qronic | dm8tbr, I've created a draft page |
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| 11:09.54 | lardman | comes to the conclusion that he really does need to make a serial cable to debug his kernel module oops |
| 11:10.43 | lardman | wrong channel, not very harmattan related |
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| 12:28.14 | diggy | can I get some help updating to 39-5? |
| 12:31.02 | hiemanshu | just ask |
| 12:31.24 | diggy | tried updating from beta1 OTA and bricked |
| 12:31.37 | diggy | now trying to update from laptop and I get: |
| 12:31.51 | diggy | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 12:31.57 | diggy | openSUSE 11.4 |
| 12:32.26 | hiemanshu | run this is another terminal 'while true; do modprobe -r cdc_phonet; done' as root, and run the update again |
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| 12:32.32 | hiemanshu | s/is/in/ |
| 12:32.57 | hiemanshu | and Ctrl-C it once the flashing is done |
| 12:32.59 | decibyte | lol |
| 12:33.18 | Arkenoi | blacklist it |
| 12:33.19 | E0x_ | i just put cdc_phonet and phonet in blacklist |
| 12:33.33 | hiemanshu | or that |
| 12:33.34 | diggy | I've done sudo modprobe -r cdc_phonet on the same terminal before updating |
| 12:33.37 | Arkenoi | otherwise it will be reloaded between two flashing stages and you get bricked |
| 12:33.45 | diggy | ahh |
| 12:33.52 | diggy | thanks Arkenoi, will try now |
| 12:34.13 | diggy | and report back |
| 12:38.42 | diggy | now, when connecting I get: ERROR: Unable to enumerate USB buses! |
| 12:38.59 | hiemanshu | redo it |
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| 12:41.18 | Arkenoi | f.ck. my tracker database is screwed again |
| 12:42.38 | Arkenoi | and i am afraid it is definitely sowatch to blame :-( |
| 12:45.17 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: screwed as in..? |
| 12:45.44 | RST38h | sandst1: screwed as in fucked up. |
| 12:48.00 | petterw | there seems to be a bug in the screen brightness logic in standby mode on n9 |
| 12:48.08 | petterw | it gets brighter when showing only the clock |
| 12:48.27 | petterw | in powersaving |
| 12:48.44 | petterw | opposite of the behavior in non-powersaving |
| 12:48.49 | SpeedEvil | Does the clock move around the screen? |
| 12:49.45 | sandst1 | RST38h: woo, thanks. |
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| 12:50.15 | Arkenoi | sandst1, tracker-store eating cpu and draining battery, forever, no new messages appear in conversations, etc |
| 12:50.27 | petterw | hmm, can't reproduce it when i entered power saving mode manually |
| 12:50.44 | petterw | but it shows up when i have automatic power saving at 20% battery |
| 12:50.58 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: i guess you previously performed a hard-reset when all the contacts disappeared..? |
| 12:52.50 | Arkenoi | sandst1, yes, i restored from backup and disabled google sync just to be sure it is not causing any problems. i waited a few days and then enabled sowatch again and the same day i got similar problems |
| 12:54.40 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: ok. have you tried --soft-reset? That does the same as hard-reset but it should restore the contents of tracker store after the processes have restarted |
| 12:57.57 | Arkenoi | hmm, seems that it helps |
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| 13:07.29 | diggy | flashing update: got flash started stops with bb5 errors |
| 13:07.45 | diggy | I guess I'll have to try instructions from http://www.martindengler.com/proj/n950-flasher-beta1 |
| 13:07.58 | diggy | but how do I get the images out of the bin? |
| 13:09.20 | Arkenoi | sandst1, actually no, it did not. after reboot all my contacts and messages disappeared |
| 13:09.29 | Arkenoi | just like after hard reset |
| 13:12.57 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: damnn. |
| 13:13.14 | hiemanshu | diggy: well if you get something like bb5_rdc_cert_read_failed something, it wont work for you with opensuse 11.4, try windows or an older distro |
| 13:13.30 | diggy | ok |
| 13:14.55 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: how long did you wait after soft-reset before rebooting? |
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| 13:16.15 | Arkenoi | a few minutes. and there was no tracker-store process indexing as one may expect if it was empty just while performing reindex |
| 13:16.33 | hiemanshu | diggy: see http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page#Usage |
| 13:16.49 | diggy | hiemanshu: yeap I'm on that |
| 13:17.33 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: ok |
| 13:18.56 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: out of curiosity, running soft-reset here too :P |
| 13:20.31 | E0x_ | nokia bh-505 headset are great ! |
| 13:25.07 | vadimq_ | hi, is there a list of the software available for the N9? |
| 13:26.42 | RST38h | vadimq: www.my-meego.com |
| 13:27.23 | vadimq_ | cool, thanks :-) Also, is it very difficult to port N900 packages to it? |
| 13:27.36 | RST38h | yes. |
| 13:28.00 | vadimq_ | why? |
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| 13:29.14 | djszapi | X-Fade: do you have an idea about this soprano build issue ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 13:29.41 | djszapi | X-Fade: raptor is mentioned in the dependencies. Yet, if you check out the cmake stage, it does not mention that as found. Wonder why .. |
| 13:30.14 | djszapi | we have a Harmattan KDE sprint this weekend, and it should work. It seems to be a blocker so far for no sane reasons. :( |
| 13:31.07 | djszapi | it even installs raptor, the dependency in the beginning, if you check out .. |
| 13:31.47 | X-Fade | djszapi: let me check. |
| 13:32.46 | djszapi | thanks really .. |
| 13:33.00 | djszapi | M4rtinK: could you please make a local soprano build whether it works for you ? |
| 13:33.05 | djszapi | could not still get a static qemu :( |
| 13:33.52 | M4rtinK | M4rtinK: OK, I'll give it a try :) |
| 13:33.53 | Arkenoi | sandst1, ..and? :-) |
| 13:34.22 | M4rtinK | djszapi: BTW, what about an Ubuntu VM as a workaround ? :) |
| 13:34.45 | djszapi | M4rtinK: static qemu is probably much easier to set up than that. |
| 13:34.55 | djszapi | could not really find the time, nor documentation how to do that. |
| 13:35.49 | djszapi | ./configure --static what I tried. |
| 13:35.51 | djszapi | did not really work out |
| 13:35.59 | X-Fade | djszapi: I don't see it actually doing a check for raptor? |
| 13:36.10 | djszapi | X-Fade: you see it well |
| 13:36.20 | djszapi | I was also wondering about that ... Actually that is the problem I guess .. |
| 13:36.43 | X-Fade | djszapi: Is there perhaps an --enable-raptor switch or something like that? |
| 13:37.14 | djszapi | works in sb |
| 13:37.17 | djszapi | with the current switches |
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| 13:37.47 | djszapi | option(SOPRANO_DISABLE_RAPTOR_PARSER "Disable compilation of Raptor parser plugin") |
| 13:37.51 | djszapi | option(SOPRANO_DISABLE_RAPTOR_SERIALIZER "Disable compilation of Raptor RDF serializer plugin") |
| 13:37.51 | X-Fade | djszapi: You can check in SB what check it does to determine raptor is there. |
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| 13:38.14 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: not much success :P Just wondering that is Tracker really losing all the stuff or is there just something that isn't repopulated |
| 13:38.24 | djszapi | X-Fade and that is off by default |
| 13:38.46 | X-Fade | djszapi: Strange thing is that you see it doing checks for CLucene for instance. |
| 13:38.50 | X-Fade | But not raptor. |
| 13:38.59 | djszapi | indeed strange.. |
| 13:40.27 | djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/145886/ |
| 13:40.30 | X-Fade | djszapi: It might be that include dirs are different or something like that. |
| 13:41.06 | X-Fade | djszapi: Check the code of configure where it mentions raptor. |
| 13:41.21 | djszapi | I did check. Posted you above ;-) |
| 13:41.30 | X-Fade | djszapi: No, I mean the source. |
| 13:41.34 | djszapi | if that option is off, it tries to use find_package |
| 13:41.39 | djszapi | yes, that is what I meant to say |
| 13:41.53 | matrixx | X-Fade: I have now my themechanger project compiled for harmattan in COBS @ home:matrixx:themechanger. I also added icon and screenshots according to publishing instructions. What I need to do now to get it in apps.formeego.org? :) |
| 13:42.20 | X-Fade | matrixx: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit |
| 13:42.34 | djszapi | X-Fade: interestingly enough, it does not check rasqal either |
| 13:42.50 | X-Fade | djszapi: and it doesn't give an error either. |
| 13:43.23 | matrixx | X-Fade: thanks |
| 13:43.33 | X-Fade | matrixx: Let me know if that works for you :) |
| 13:43.37 | djszapi | X-Fade: find_package(Raptor 2.0.4) |
| 13:43.38 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.44 | djszapi | they are in the same pack. |
| 13:43.48 | djszapi | both or none should work. |
| 13:43.57 | djszapi | and redland works in the log .. |
| 13:44.02 | X-Fade | djszapi: Check the code for find_package |
| 13:44.14 | djszapi | meh |
| 13:44.28 | X-Fade | djszapi: Also the install script is broken in that package |
| 13:44.44 | X-Fade | djszapi: As it should not try to install it if it isn't a build target. |
| 13:45.03 | X-Fade | But that is a minor issue :) |
| 13:45.08 | djszapi | I wish we would be there, at the install part .. |
| 13:45.14 | djszapi | were* |
| 13:45.22 | djszapi | have zero clue here. |
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| 13:45.34 | matrixx | X-Fade: "Unable to submit to MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Testing |
| 13:45.36 | matrixx | " |
| 13:46.28 | X-Fade | matrixx: Congrats, you found my first typo :) |
| 13:46.40 | X-Fade | matrixx: Should be MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing |
| 13:46.45 | X-Fade | matrixx: fixing wiki page. |
| 13:46.46 | matrixx | am I the first one who copy pasted it? :D |
| 13:47.05 | X-Fade | matrixx: done |
| 13:47.23 | matrixx | ok, that worked :) |
| 13:47.41 | X-Fade | matrixx: Let's see what happens. |
| 13:51.27 | matrixx | yeah :) |
| 13:55.56 | djszapi | X-Fade well no clue ... apparently the same can be said about the software author .. |
| 13:56.46 | X-Fade | djszapi: My guess is that it is probably a path issue |
| 13:57.00 | sandst1 | Arkenoi: well. turns out, in n9, tracker has no journal. Sooo, hard-reset == soft-reset in harmattan... |
| 13:57.03 | X-Fade | But again, it should show something at least. |
| 13:57.41 | djszapi | X-Fade what path issue ? |
| 13:58.01 | X-Fade | djszapi: Maybe searches in wrong path? |
| 13:58.26 | djszapi | X-Fade: where ? |
| 13:58.33 | X-Fade | djszapi: You tell me |
| 13:58.45 | M4rtinK | djszapi: the local build is finally started to do something after getting all the necessary dependencies |
| 13:58.57 | djszapi | X-Fade: the FindRaptor.cmake module looks for raptor.h |
| 13:59.03 | djszapi | it is present on my system |
| 13:59.18 | M4rtinK | btw, any chance of getting rid of the "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" messages in the near future ? makes working with logs quite a pain |
| 13:59.30 | djszapi | bloeee Sebastian uses pkg config ... |
| 13:59.48 | djszapi | M4rtinK: well, I proposed a solution to X-Fade on bugzilla ... |
| 13:59.57 | djszapi | bug must be seen :) |
| 14:00.41 | X-Fade | djszapi: I can setup a second harmattan target one of these days where we can play with the project config of the project in OBS. |
| 14:00.59 | X-Fade | djszapi: Then we can try to get rid of the aegis messages without breaking the current setup. |
| 14:01.01 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
| 14:01.14 | djszapi | oh testing ... of course. |
| 14:01.47 | X-Fade | I had the aegis stuff enabled before, but it broke dpkg badly. |
| 14:01.59 | X-Fade | So I must have done something wrong ;) |
| 14:02.07 | djszapi | yes, I think I wrote what.. |
| 14:02.16 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: good to know - might be also useful for finding the root cause of all those inconsistent build failures (libgtk, etc.) |
| 14:02.24 | djszapi | dislikes pkg-config from A to Z :) |
| 14:02.42 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: Yeah, I just need an extra set of hands. |
| 14:02.58 | M4rtinK | yeah, tell me about it :D |
| 14:03.03 | djszapi | X-Fade: well, the publishing thingie is more important ... |
| 14:03.20 | djszapi | let us not catch up with the down-time meego page ... |
| 14:04.08 | X-Fade | djszapi: The packages I test with all publish fine? |
| 14:04.18 | djszapi | sorry ? |
| 14:04.30 | djszapi | you know, the thingie we discussed :) |
| 14:04.31 | X-Fade | djszapi: Do you still see publishing issues then? |
| 14:04.43 | djszapi | I am not sure you had half a day for that |
| 14:04.48 | djszapi | if you fixed that, probably okay .. |
| 14:05.13 | X-Fade | Might be, probably had half a night somewhere. |
| 14:06.02 | matrixx | X-Fade: do you know how long does it approximately takes to the package arrive to staging? |
| 14:06.23 | X-Fade | matrixx: It just finished a trial build. |
| 14:06.57 | X-Fade | matrixx: Now it will so some additional checks and after that move it to Testing. (Where it will build again) |
| 14:07.34 | matrixx | X-Fade: nice, can I follow its progress somewhere? |
| 14:07.35 | X-Fade | matrixx: You will receive mails at certain poits. |
| 14:08.39 | X-Fade | matrixx: It just got accepted into Testing. |
| 14:08.55 | matrixx | X-Fade: ok, nice to know, I'm soon going to leave to MobileMonday meeting, after that I can remotely follow by email :) |
| 14:09.01 | diggy | hiemanshu I got it working, thanks for the help! |
| 14:09.13 | X-Fade | matrixx: And if you did not receive any email, ping me too :) |
| 14:09.57 | matrixx | X-Fade: ok :) |
| 14:11.14 | djszapi | X-Fade I have no idea how to proceed with this soprano issue .. |
| 14:11.41 | X-Fade | djszapi: Let's see if what Martin's local build does? |
| 14:12.28 | X-Fade | djszapi: If the build fails, he can just cd into the build root and see it more clearly. |
| 14:12.37 | djszapi | X-Fade would not really help anything to me knowing the results though |
| 14:13.05 | X-Fade | djszapi: only if he doesn't speak to you :) |
| 14:13.52 | djszapi | we will see .. |
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| 14:14.00 | djszapi | is there a page about building static qemu ? |
| 14:14.14 | djszapi | I have just read pages with tons of problems around that, like mailing list .. |
| 14:14.21 | Stskeeps | djszapi: sec |
| 14:14.51 | Stskeeps | djszapi: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=qemu-usermode-static.spec&package=qemu-usermode-static&project=home%3Alamikr%3Aqemu&srcmd5=f3bb4ca61d015f9058b935e029ab6aa5 |
| 14:14.55 | Stskeeps | line 53 |
| 14:15.20 | djszapi | I tried to use this arch build by adding the --static keyword few weeks ago: http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/qemu But it also had some obscure issues |
| 14:16.11 | X-Fade | matrixx: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/themechanger/ |
| 14:16.13 | vladest | hi all |
| 14:16.22 | vladest | where is to get skype for n950? |
| 14:17.19 | Tronic | vladest: Me want to know, too. |
| 14:17.40 | vladest | i see |
| 14:17.47 | djszapi | to avoid the misunderstanding: N950 is a developer device |
| 14:17.57 | djszapi | it is not meant to be for personal usage. |
| 14:20.42 | djszapi | Stskeeps: do I need to add something special for x86 build ? |
| 14:20.42 | matrixx | X-Fade: yey it's there :) |
| 14:20.45 | djszapi | x86_64* |
| 14:20.53 | matrixx | X-Fade: though no single email notification came |
| 14:20.58 | X-Fade | matrixx: Now do you have themes too? :) |
| 14:21.07 | X-Fade | matrixx: Ok, need to look at that. |
| 14:21.09 | Stskeeps | djszapi: no, unless your gcc doesn't generate 64-bit by standard |
| 14:21.15 | matrixx | X-Fade: no, I'm not graphically skilled |
| 14:21.26 | matrixx | X-Fade: I'm depending on joppu to create some :) |
| 14:21.53 | X-Fade | matrixx: I wonder how to test it otherwise :) |
| 14:22.31 | djszapi | Stskeeps: heh, it already stops in the first place at the downloading, because of the proxy :) |
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| 14:22.42 | djszapi | will fix that, and try. |
| 14:22.59 | djszapi | if it succeeds, it would be nice to share with other arch users. |
| 14:23.43 | djszapi | Stskeeps: is it a long time to build static qemu ? |
| 14:23.59 | Stskeeps | djszapi: 10 mins or so |
| 14:25.35 | djszapi | Stskeeps: http://paste.kde.org/145910/ |
| 14:26.15 | Stskeeps | install nss-devel, i think |
| 14:26.33 | matrixx | X-Fade: you can create test theme following these instructions: http://leimu.drupalgardens.com/content/themechanger |
| 14:26.57 | matrixx | I used gimp script-fu to run all blanco items through a color filter and copied that as a test theme |
| 14:27.07 | matrixx | but can't publish it since blanco is not open |
| 14:27.17 | djszapi | Stskeeps: http://paste.kde.org/145916/ I have everything installed about that |
| 14:27.28 | matrixx | *blanco icons |
| 14:27.39 | X-Fade | matrixx: Yeah, that is a problem. |
| 14:27.45 | Stskeeps | djszapi: and the development packages? |
| 14:27.50 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.20 | djszapi | Stskeeps: arch uses monolythic packages (ie.: no -dev -data and so on) |
| 14:28.25 | Stskeeps | djszapi: ok |
| 14:28.49 | Stskeeps | djszapi: find libsmime3.so somewhere i guess |
| 14:29.36 | djszapi | pacman -Qo /usr/lib/libsmime3.so |
| 14:29.37 | djszapi | /usr/lib/libsmime3.so is owned by nss 3.12.11-3 |
| 14:30.06 | X-Fade | matrixx: Found the cause of you not getting the email, will be fixed for you next package submit :) |
| 14:30.12 | Stskeeps | djszapi: ah.. |
| 14:30.20 | Stskeeps | djszapi: you need the static .a's |
| 14:31.14 | djszapi | so build all the deps manually with static flags ? |
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| 14:32.04 | Stskeeps | think nss should be enough |
| 14:32.32 | djszapi | so any sample for building nss manually for static usage ? :) |
| 14:32.43 | vladest | djszapi: can you explain connection between "developer device", "not for personal use" and "skype"? |
| 14:34.14 | djszapi | vladest: skype is not needed for development, but for personal usage. |
| 14:34.44 | djszapi | it is a plus already there are available ui account plugins. |
| 14:35.21 | djszapi | the skype is even worse story since that requires licenses and all those stuff. |
| 14:35.43 | Stskeeps | djszapi: no sorry, not sure how it works for arch |
| 14:36.15 | djszapi | Stskeeps: what would be the location and name of the relevant static library ? |
| 14:36.23 | Stskeeps | djszapi: /usr/lib/libsmime3.a i think |
| 14:36.44 | djszapi | ok, so that is not there :/ |
| 14:37.50 | M4rtinK | djszapi: well, on the other hand I would say a development device should be quite close to the consumer device |
| 14:38.10 | M4rtinK | to test how your app interacts with all the other components, etc. |
| 14:38.24 | X-Fade | M4rtinK: Probably licensed for N9 only. |
| 14:38.30 | M4rtinK | if it fits the look and feel of other apps and stuff |
| 14:38.43 | djszapi | M4rtinK: you have the remote device for that test stage |
| 14:38.51 | djszapi | that is also a plus after all |
| 14:39.17 | M4rtinK | oh of course - almost forgot about that :) |
| 14:39.22 | djszapi | and the components /are/ there. |
| 14:41.27 | djszapi | M4rtinK: btw, is it really that long to build soprano ? :) |
| 14:42.09 | vladest | djszapi: this is the only explanation of absence skype on n950? |
| 14:42.24 | djszapi | yes, of course. |
| 14:42.40 | M4rtinK | first I got a 400 error, then it got stuck at downloading packages, then it complained that there is not enogh disk space |
| 14:42.50 | djszapi | meh.. :) |
| 14:43.03 | djszapi | Stskeeps: that libsmime.a is not there on ubuntu, debian, opensuse either. |
| 14:43.09 | M4rtinK | last time I got an error that looked like being caused by corrupted buildroot |
| 14:43.21 | M4rtinK | so right now trying with --clean |
| 14:43.27 | Stskeeps | djszapi: long story short: you need static versions of the libraries you link to in order to get a static binary |
| 14:45.03 | djszapi | unfortunately, I do not have the time to build all the deps manually and figure them out how they build properly in static mode :/ |
| 14:45.23 | djszapi | but thanks anyway. |
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| 14:46.58 | djszapi | M4rtinK: so this local "osc" is not a dream either :) |
| 14:47.32 | M4rtinK | still faster than the remote one :) |
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| 14:50.39 | djszapi | M4rtinK: do you have this /usr/lib/libsmime.a ? |
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| 15:45.26 | djszapi | M4rtinK: could you manage it after all ? |
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| 16:03.23 | M4rtinK | just got back |
| 16:03.49 | djszapi | M4rtinK: I am thinking of just installing deb packages on arch: ) |
| 16:03.52 | djszapi | to get static qemu |
| 16:06.56 | M4rtinK | good luck :) |
| 16:07.07 | djszapi | M4rtinK: so did it build ? |
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| 16:09.04 | djszapi | M4rtinK: could you send me the link of that debian/ubuntu package ? |
| 16:11.13 | M4rtinK | djszapi: dying witht the same error as in the online build ( https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard ) |
| 16:11.45 | djszapi | M4rtinK: could you please follow X-Fade's instruction ? |
| 16:13.23 | M4rtinK | djszapi: thit is the package: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+package/qemu-user-static |
| 16:13.30 | M4rtinK | which instructions ? |
| 16:15.20 | djszapi | M4rtinK: cd into the root and check around |
| 16:16.28 | djszapi | "If the build fails, he can just cd into the build root and see it more clearly." |
| 16:17.13 | M4rtinK | hmm, it has been a while since I did this |
| 16:17.31 | M4rtinK | need to find the commands for this first :) |
| 16:18.36 | M4rtinK | djszapi: BTW, my soprano version is about 3 weeks old, did you update it since then ? |
| 16:18.40 | djszapi | M4rtinK: those ubuntu qemu packages are rather old |
| 16:19.10 | M4rtinK | I'm not really sure that the automatic update propagation in OBS actually works |
| 16:19.14 | djszapi | M4rtinK: no, it has not really been built for that bunch of weeks :) |
| 16:19.26 | M4rtinK | ha, ok |
| 16:19.36 | M4rtinK | well, this is the same package I'm using |
| 16:20.02 | M4rtinK | as I'm still running the Ubuntu Natty release from April this year |
| 16:25.20 | djszapi | M4rtinK: I have basically the same issue with "osc build" like without the qemu static build |
| 16:25.24 | djszapi | it is not the culsprit imho |
| 16:27.51 | Piru | woah. just noticed that GIMP chokes with N9 photos |
| 16:28.03 | Piru | eats 100% cpu trying to load them |
| 16:28.06 | Piru | http://sintonen.fi/pics/N9-photo-gimp-DoS.png |
| 16:28.46 | djszapi | M4rtinK: http://paste.kde.org/145964/ and I did install the qemu-user-static package from the page you linked. |
| 16:29.33 | M4rtinK | djszapi: but is it actually using those files ? |
| 16:29.40 | djszapi | no real clue |
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| 16:29.44 | M4rtinK | might not be listed in PATH, etc. |
| 16:29.48 | djszapi | /usr/bin |
| 16:30.30 | djszapi | actually, I even deleted my old qemu installations, so cannot really be file clash. |
| 16:36.21 | djszapi | M4rtinK: well, you can try to build it manually and see in that chroot ... |
| 16:39.38 | M4rtinK | djszapi: looks like I found the commands: http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/Using_OBS_chroot_for_development |
| 16:39.53 | M4rtinK | any idea where is the default OSC chroot located ? |
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| 16:42.08 | nibbler | is there any documentation for the inner workings of the harmattan calendar? where contents are put and in which format? |
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| 17:15.19 | gri | nibbler: I guess tracker backend like most things in harmattan |
| 17:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | now I hope they don't abuse tracker as a generic db now |
| 17:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | tracker is a terribly abused concept already, even without storing calendar appointments to it |
| 17:21.34 | gri | they store emails, contacts and messages to tracker |
| 17:21.43 | gri | so I assume they also use it for calendar |
| 17:22.13 | frals | nibbler: its based on kcal |
| 17:22.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to point to /home/user/.calendar/db |
| 17:22.24 | frals | nibbler: source for kcalcoren and mkcal should be on gitorious afaik |
| 17:22.42 | gri | then I might be wrong, yay :) |
| 17:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | and yeah :-\ /home/user/.contacts/tracker |
| 17:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | seems while virtually everybody agreed on tracker got to die, on fremantle, they nevertheless extended its usage on HARM |
| 17:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | turning tracker from a spotlight/kerry-beagle backend to a generic alternative filesystem&general-purpose-database just feels so terribly wrong, I can't say... |
| 17:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | a general rule that a lot of qualified devels agreed upon was that no app should stop working just on uninstalling tracker all together. Except of course the original tracker query frontend which quite obviously can't work without the backend. But for all other apps tracker should and must be mere optional convenience thing and primary storage concept still based on classic filesystem with pathnames and all. Apple tried to go this "let' |
| 17:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | s forget about directories" path and as we all know more or less failed on it |
| 17:32.53 | SpeedEvil | In some ways apples other attempt - resource forks - seems sane. |
| 17:33.15 | SpeedEvil | It's even not - too - hard to extend to unix-like - you just make the resource fork a negative offset. |
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| 17:42.29 | djszapi | M4rtinK: no clue, ask X-Fade please. |
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| 17:46.47 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: where is the default OSC local build root ? :) |
| 17:47.39 | M4rtinK | the one you get after running "osc build MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard armv7el" inside the local working copy of a package |
| 17:50.15 | ZogG | \o |
| 17:51.37 | djszapi | ~seen wazd |
| 17:51.53 | infobot | wazd <~wazd@broadband-95-84-185-178.nationalcablenetworks.ru> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 25d 20h 10m 20s ago, saying: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. |
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| 17:54.45 | jabis | BluesLee: how did it go with the feed-thingy :) |
| 17:58.46 | djszapi | M4rtinK: did you get my pm ? |
| 18:03.32 | BluesLee | jabis: it works, i.e. you can display some text on the event screen using a local rss feed |
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| 18:05.26 | BluesLee | jabis: i think its limited to 5 lines, maybe i will use it for displaying some "static" data, todos, notes etc |
| 18:06.43 | BluesLee | jabis: if you are interested i can post a thread on tmo but i think there are better ways using the event api ( i guess there is one) |
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| 18:12.41 | strannik1 | Hello |
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| 18:19.20 | strannik1 | Anyone know where i can apply for the n950 |
| 18:19.41 | strannik1 | I applied one earlier ,, but i know figured out i applied for the commercial dev kit |
| 18:19.48 | strannik1 | Not the community edition |
| 18:19.51 | strannik1 | :( |
| 18:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | too late |
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| 18:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's been an initial batch of 250 devices, later came a 50 batch on top of that - and I guess that's been it |
| 18:28.30 | strannik1 | My english is terrible today |
| 18:29.05 | strannik1 | DocScrutinizer: i know its over. But apparently nokia has a lot of n950s just sitting collecting dust |
| 18:29.40 | strannik1 | Ofcourse it could just be a rumour |
| 18:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's mostly unclear - what's however pretty clear: today you got a way better chance to get a N950 via commercial program rather than community program |
| 18:30.46 | strannik1 | Hmm well I do want to start a business and one of the things i want to do is a phone app ;) |
| 18:31.07 | strannik1 | Or do you think thats not good enough? Haha |
| 18:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | I think you should start your business, register with devel.nokia.com/launchpad as corporate member, and then ask for a device there. No way to get one via community program |
| 18:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | unless Quim would pop up on twitter or FMC with "hey people, I have another NNN devices to give away here!" |
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| 18:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | note that also launchpad individual doesn't offer devices - usually. you need the corporate account |
| 18:39.32 | jabis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.19 | Velmont | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 << Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android ~pj Updated --- Many parts Nokia in there as well. |
| 19:04.00 | strannik1 | DocScrutinizer: yea well looks like a good motivator to start my business |
| 19:04.06 | strannik1 | I want to start a business anyway |
| 19:04.38 | strannik1 | But ,, its hard getting motivation .. Haha maybe i can see the n950 as one of the motivators |
| 19:05.08 | strannik1 | When i release my app it will be a geo specific app. Not saying anymore :) |
| 19:06.06 | strannik1 | It is actually quite cool how most countries in europe now offer a program where you can start a company with 0 money |
| 19:06.25 | strannik1 | But you have to pay back whenever you accumalate money |
| 19:08.51 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: ping |
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| 19:10.16 | ZogG_laptop | got update, apps for meego o_O |
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| 19:21.06 | ZogG_laptop | lardman|home: \o/ |
| 19:21.11 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping |
| 19:21.20 | strannik1 | X fade pong |
| 19:21.24 | strannik1 | .! |
| 19:21.25 | strannik1 | . |
| 19:21.28 | strannik1 | :) |
| 19:21.43 | lardman|home | hey ZogG_laptop |
| 19:21.49 | ZogG_laptop | strannik1: ne shuti |
| 19:21.57 | ZogG_laptop | lardman|home: sup sup sup |
| 19:22.23 | lardman|home | am just doing some mBarcode coding, getting scanning re-integrated |
| 19:22.46 | ZogG_laptop | for n9? yummy |
| 19:23.38 | lardman|home | n950, but should work on either |
| 19:23.50 | lardman|home | and indeed the N900 I imagine, must get that toolchain setup again |
| 19:24.49 | ZogG_laptop | lardman|home: if you need n9 testers to anycode you know where to find me |
| 19:25.00 | ZogG_laptop | btw do you have tweeter? |
| 19:25.25 | lardman|home | will ping you once I have this sorted, hopefully next day or two, depending on baby interruptions (which really take a toll on concentration!) |
| 19:25.38 | lardman|home | no, what's tweeter? |
| 19:26.09 | ZogG_laptop | twitter? |
| 19:26.34 | lardman|home | ah yeah I do, but don't use it much :) |
| 19:26.43 | ZogG_laptop | it's a pitty |
| 19:26.58 | ZogG_laptop | pm me your nickname os i can add you anyway |
| 19:27.15 | lardman|home | my recent tweets would not be that exciting for the general populace - she smiled, she giggled, nappy change, etc. ;) |
| 19:27.35 | ZogG_laptop | pictures? |
| 19:27.38 | ZogG_laptop | girl ah? |
| 19:27.46 | lardman|home | simon_pickering I think, but not altogether sure, will have to see what I get auto-logged into when I head back to work |
| 19:28.40 | lardman|home | yeah pics on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150411978413243.408727.742213242&type=1 |
| 19:28.49 | lardman|home | no idea whether that's available to view mind you |
| 19:30.47 | lardman|home | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300350_10150623966143243_742213242_10324910_1410504227_n.jpg might work |
| 19:32.17 | ZogG_laptop | lardman|home: is it me or she is fingering me |
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| 19:32.44 | lardman|home | lol, that sounds rather dodgy |
| 19:33.18 | lardman|home | giving someone the finger, i.e swearing, is not the same thing.... |
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| 19:46.04 | ZogG_laptop | ~ping |
| 19:46.04 | infobot | ~pong |
| 19:47.06 | arcean | ~aegis |
| 19:47.06 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 19:47.17 | arcean | yay |
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| 19:49.16 | nibbler | frals: obvious location :-) thanks. |
| 19:49.24 | nibbler | sqlite... me gusta. how convenient. |
| 19:50.50 | ZogG_laptop | frals: is there any official harmattan bugtracker? |
| 19:53.19 | dm8tbr | developer.nokia.com |
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| 19:58.36 | Sazpaimon | ld: ../arm/Release/bin/lightspark: hidden symbol `__sync_sub_and_fetch_4' in /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/libgcc.a(linux-atomic.o) is referenced by DSO |
| 19:58.43 | Sazpaimon | god what the hell |
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| 20:45.10 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.10 | SpeedEvil | If you point a colorimieter at a person, you get heartrate and respiration rate. |
| 20:49.15 | SpeedEvil | (after a couple of FFTs) |
| 20:49.21 | SpeedEvil | Works over video. |
| 20:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the evil scrutinizer :-D |
| 20:54.54 | SpeedEvil | It would be a cool phone app |
| 20:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | friend showed me Layar, on anna |
| 20:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | cool shit |
| 20:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | (no sybian phone here, so no idea about that stuff) |
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| 20:56.14 | strannik1 | You get a persons heartrate? How does that work? It measures the breathing....? |
| 20:56.32 | SpeedEvil | strannik1: The colour changes with the pulse. |
| 20:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | no, the red "shift" in face |
| 20:56.35 | SpeedEvil | Of the skin. |
| 20:56.58 | strannik1 | What if its a black person haha |
| 20:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | for each heartbeat you get a red spike |
| 20:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Still happens, though less measurable. |
| 20:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | strannik1: doesn't matter |
| 20:58.08 | strannik1 | Haha , i read posts where facedetection software in cameras couldnt pick up chinese people |
| 20:58.20 | strannik1 | Thats quite a cool app |
| 20:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | haha I heard chinese people think all westerners got long nose |
| 20:58.55 | strannik1 | A bit scary though, could be used in poker or as some sort of lie detector |
| 20:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's what it IS used for |
| 20:59.20 | strannik1 | Oh |
| 20:59.41 | strannik1 | I am googling it now |
| 21:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | I bet SpeedEvil has some cool URL links for you |
| 21:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | I mustn't share my links or I would have to kill you ;-P |
| 21:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | honestly you got no idea of what's really going on in this field of science |
| 21:05.31 | strannik1 | Haha yea there is so much info on this |
| 21:05.45 | strannik1 | But its hard to find the facial recognition and heart beat stuff |
| 21:05.51 | SpeedEvil | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/freesrchabstract.jsp?arnumber=5599853 |
| 21:06.10 | SpeedEvil | We present a simple, low-cost method for measuring multiple physiological parameters using a basic webcam. By applying independent component analysis on the color channels in video recordings, we extracted the blood volume pulse from the facial regions. Heart rate (HR), respiratory rate, and HR variability (HRV, an index for cardiac autonomic activity) were subsequently quantified and compared to corresponding measurements using Food and Dru |
| 21:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | mass spectrometers size of half a sugar cube in each building's wase water pipe, not really science fiction. They already calculate the *true* turnaround of cocaine in London from alayzing Rhames water... |
| 21:06.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's more in the rhine IIRC |
| 21:07.01 | SpeedEvil | http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,384456,00.html |
| 21:07.07 | strannik1 | Oh wow , that is crazy |
| 21:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! |
| 21:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | mass spectrometers size of half a sugar cube in each building's waste water pipe, not really science fiction. They already calculate the *true* turnaround of cocaine in London from analyzing Thames water... |
| 21:08.52 | strannik1 | 11 tons of pure cocaine a yeaar sounds a bit excessive |
| 21:09.51 | SpeedEvil | That's not each. |
| 21:10.07 | strannik1 | Going to build a massive coke filter and put it in the rivers.... Profit :) |
| 21:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | I bet synthesizing in CERN is cheaper |
| 21:10.41 | strannik1 | Yea i know .. Its the whole population who live near the river |
| 21:11.07 | strannik1 | Cern? |
| 21:11.20 | strannik1 | Are you all chemists haha |
| 21:11.34 | strannik1 | Scientists |
| 21:11.46 | strannik1 | Ahh ,, ok the nuclear orginization |
| 21:11.49 | nix-cyrus | geophysics :) |
| 21:12.16 | strannik1 | Ahh ok ,, cern - hadron collider .. Now it makes sense |
| 21:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe not really as on the current energy costs, E=MC^2 will make synthesized coke from CERN friggin expensive |
| 21:12.43 | strannik1 | But is it possible? |
| 21:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | sure, "no problem" |
| 21:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | converting mercury to gold is extremely simple |
| 21:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | synthesizing cocaine is a bit more demanding, but theoretically feasible |
| 21:13.42 | strannik1 | Just attach a nuclear power station to it.. And maybe the costs will be lower than the income |
| 21:14.07 | strannik1 | Converting mercury to gold??? Ok you lost me |
| 21:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 21:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | trivial pursuit knowledge |
| 21:14.51 | strannik1 | Changing the particles of mercury or quick silver leads to a unbalanced / or instable equation as far as i know |
| 21:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | shoot neutron/proton/whatever shit at mercury and it converts to gold |
| 21:15.23 | strannik1 | But only for a split second? |
| 21:15.30 | strannik1 | Because it will be unstable? |
| 21:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | Ileave this up to the interested reader to find out about it, as an exercise |
| 21:16.26 | strannik1 | If its the case i am getting a neutron/proton/some shit gun :3 |
| 21:16.35 | nix-cyrus | with the speed more than light-speed?) |
| 21:18.38 | strannik1 | I dont think they got it right with the recent neutrino project |
| 21:18.49 | strannik1 | Apparently they go faster than the speed of light |
| 21:19.02 | strannik1 | But there must be an error somewhere in their calculations |
| 21:20.17 | nix-cyrus | I heard about error with time via GPS |
| 21:21.02 | Sazpaimon | ld: ../arm/Release/bin/lightspark: hidden symbol `__sync_sub_and_fetch_4' in /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/libgcc.a(linux-atomic.o) is referenced by DSO |
| 21:21.12 | Sazpaimon | can anyone help determine what this error means |
| 21:22.43 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: who is working on apps for meego except X-Fade? |
| 21:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: the dark force command |
| 21:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry - could you rephrase the question please? |
| 21:25.09 | strannik1 | Hmm apparently if you make gold in a nuclear reactor the result will be radio active gold |
| 21:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | dang, what an epic fail! radioactive gold, and I thought it was a smart idea to synthesize it on less than 100,000 bucks per gram |
| 21:27.41 | mgedmin | call it an anti-theft measure |
| 21:27.54 | mgedmin | take out loans backed by your hoard of gold |
| 21:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | prolly your Thames cocaine will stink like shit, but then it only costs a tenth of that gold |
| 21:28.07 | strannik1 | You have to wear a protective suit to get it exchanged for money |
| 21:28.25 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: it would make more sence if i'll say "apps for meego" app |
| 21:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 21:28.38 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 21:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 21:29.00 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: oh, you here, i wanted to ask you something |
| 21:29.04 | strannik1 | Radioactive gold vs shit smelling cocaine is a hard one haha |
| 21:29.48 | ZogG_laptop | strannik1: it reminds me of story with king who turned anything he touched in gold |
| 21:30.15 | nix-cyrus | it is from greeks mith) |
| 21:30.38 | ZogG_laptop | yeah |
| 21:31.59 | strannik1 | ZogG_laptop: true yea |
| 21:32.00 | ZogG_laptop | anit was funny to see it in god of wars game |
| 21:32.41 | ZogG_laptop | damn sitting here in front of laptop, openned new main.c to write some code and got black out =) |
| 21:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | midas |
| 21:33.09 | strannik1 | Apparently some prototype nuclear reactor in russia in 71 had a protective steel coat in the core. After they fired up the reactor it turned the steel into gold ... I need to get myself on of em reactors :) |
| 21:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | king midas |
| 21:33.19 | mgedmin | is waiting for ZogG_laptop's question |
| 21:33.26 | ZogG_laptop | used too much visualstudio not to remember things =) |
| 21:34.06 | ZogG_laptop | strannik1: rumors are so rumors |
| 21:34.16 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: oh sorry man |
| 21:34.20 | strannik1 | Oh and it says that after time it decays back into lead |
| 21:34.33 | strannik1 | Oh he used lead ,, not steel .. My bad |
| 21:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ZogG_laptop has a record to highlight users for nuttin |
| 21:34.47 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: i was wondering if you can add something to bot |
| 21:35.00 | mgedmin | bot? which bot? |
| 21:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | povbot |
| 21:35.09 | ZogG_laptop | povbot |
| 21:35.16 | ZogG_laptop | or what's it name? |
| 21:35.21 | mgedmin | yes, that's the bot |
| 21:35.37 | nix-cyrus | strannik1: 71? not 86? |
| 21:35.40 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: did i pass first question right? yeah \o/ |
| 21:36.50 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: i thought it would be useful to have command like ~wtf, if used bot would PM you 15-25 last sentences that were said on chan |
| 21:37.05 | mgedmin | yeah |
| 21:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: he wants bot to answer with "/msg $user <last ten lines of chan log>" on a inquiry like "pocbot: backscroll" |
| 21:37.11 | ZogG_laptop | so if you got timeouted or you just logged in you can catch up to the conversation |
| 21:37.25 | mgedmin | well, povbot is supybot; if you can find a plugin, I can probably maybe turn it on |
| 21:37.33 | mgedmin | other than that, check out channel logs :) |
| 21:37.37 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: hey... hey... i can handle myself |
| 21:37.56 | mgedmin | tip: the HTML is cron-generated every 5 minutes, but if you drop the .html suffix, you'll get an up-to-date plain text log |
| 21:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | chan logs was wjat I suggested ;-P |
| 21:38.14 | mgedmin | personally, I use an irc bouncer (znc) for precisely the reason you outlined |
| 21:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: wow, didn't know that |
| 21:38.27 | ZogG_laptop | yeah but sometimes they are too long to find and scroll |
| 21:38.31 | ZogG_laptop | change tag in awesome and so on |
| 21:38.35 | mgedmin | pressing <end> doesn't take long |
| 21:38.41 | mgedmin | unless you're on a slooooooow internet connection |
| 21:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I offerede to him to use my ZNC, he didn't even answer ;-) |
| 21:39.08 | mgedmin | it's less convenient than your ~wtf, and even more less convenient than ZNC |
| 21:39.14 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: btw if i ue bouncer and timeouted it would resync conversation right? |
| 21:39.39 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: it ould be helpfull when you are from phone |
| 21:39.42 | ZogG_laptop | n9 e.g. |
| 21:40.05 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i want !! i want!! gimmie one |
| 21:40.14 | mgedmin | I'm never sure if I see everything, or if there's a chance some messages are lost before znc notices I timed out... |
| 21:40.14 | Chaz6 | Anyone heard any more about the problem with PR1.1 |
| 21:40.30 | mgedmin | there's a setting where znc will give you the last N lines of conversation even if you've already seen them; then nothing is lost |
| 21:41.18 | ZogG_laptop | Chaz6: what problem? |
| 21:41.39 | ZogG_laptop | expect i don't know if it's new email setting i made or battery really ends faster than in 1.0 |
| 21:41.43 | Chaz6 | I heard there is an issue with it which is why it has been delayed on the sku's it hasnt been released for yet |
| 21:42.08 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: if i just connect would show them as well ? |
| 21:42.12 | strannik1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKxCw889qck&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
| 21:42.57 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: so i'll order one kilo of ZNC if your offer is still in power |
| 21:43.39 | mgedmin | yes, znc is useful when you log in in the middle of an interesting conversation |
| 21:43.43 | ZogG_laptop | damnit, 3 languages is too much when window can't remember the last one i used |
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| 21:46.59 | strannik1 | Znc? |
| 21:48.00 | strannik1 | Oh an irc bot ... |
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| 21:49.23 | mgedmin | a bouncer, rather |
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| 21:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's a bouncer aka proxy, no bot |
| 21:50.13 | nix-cyrus | ZogG_laptop: 4to za bouncer? |
| 21:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: nah, sorry. That offer been a one day thing |
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| 21:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | I offered, you ignored it, done |
| 21:52.44 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 21:53.05 | ZogG_laptop | nix-cyrus: it's like when you go offline you are still online here |
| 21:53.13 | ZogG_laptop | in simple words |
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| 21:53.45 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i didn't see it, as i without it and timeouted =\ |
| 21:53.54 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: just ask |
| 21:53.59 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: and no |
| 21:54.10 | gabriel9 | hai |
| 21:54.14 | gabriel9 | what to ask :D |
| 21:54.47 | strannik1 | Nigt night .. Too tired |
| 21:54.52 | strannik1 | Off to sleep |
| 21:54.56 | gabriel9 | good night |
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| 21:55.45 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: to flash or nnot |
| 21:57.01 | gabriel9 | do you have something against me? Please sorry if i was pain in the ass, but i did not sleap for days, coding 10 days without free day and i buy a phone which does not work(spent whole my paychek) so if you can understand me just a little a bit :) |
| 21:57.20 | gabriel9 | please forgive * this coffe is gone kill me |
| 21:57.42 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: i was joking |
| 21:57.49 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 21:57.50 | gabriel9 | ok |
| 21:57.58 | ZogG_laptop | and i can understand you, it cost me more than i can eford |
| 21:58.04 | ZogG_laptop | afford |
| 21:58.07 | ZogG_laptop | how do you spell it |
| 21:58.24 | gabriel9 | and no i will not flash :D denmark will get the updates just alittle later |
| 21:58.37 | ZogG_laptop | and don't falsh, btw how does it doesn't work? |
| 21:59.03 | ZogG_laptop | what was you coding btw? |
| 21:59.20 | ZogG_laptop | nothing except something for meego is accepted btw |
| 21:59.34 | gabriel9 | :D Zend Framework |
| 21:59.40 | gabriel9 | but also for meego :) |
| 21:59.45 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 22:00.11 | ZogG_laptop | me and pal nix-cyrus got big plans and no knowledge |
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| 22:00.28 | ZogG_laptop | like we keep saying "one day, just one day" |
| 22:00.31 | gabriel9 | Zend Framework or Qt? |
| 22:00.57 | ZogG_laptop | i prefer C or maybe c++ and than to learn how to wrap it to qt gui |
| 22:01.09 | gabriel9 | Qt and Qt Quick are easy |
| 22:01.23 | gabriel9 | take it easy you will learn |
| 22:01.23 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: Zend? if is for php? |
| 22:01.26 | gabriel9 | yes |
| 22:01.32 | gabriel9 | big framework |
| 22:01.39 | nix-cyrus | yeah.. I saw it |
| 22:02.12 | gabriel9 | but it is great |
| 22:02.20 | gabriel9 | i was writing my own framework |
| 22:02.58 | gabriel9 | but one man to do that is olmost imposible |
| 22:03.22 | ZogG_laptop | he just used it or coded soething for it or small part of it |
| 22:03.23 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: js-coders can do that :) |
| 22:03.46 | gabriel9 | i also code in JS |
| 22:03.47 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 22:03.49 | nix-cyrus | :D |
| 22:04.04 | ZogG_laptop | and i don't code =( |
| 22:04.08 | gabriel9 | and today i hate it, 5h i spend to change something really stupid :/ |
| 22:04.45 | ZogG_laptop | it was just4fun or work/order? |
| 22:04.52 | gabriel9 | work |
| 22:05.02 | nix-cyrus | js doesn't have code analyzer? |
| 22:06.26 | gabriel9 | i don't know |
| 22:06.40 | gabriel9 | i'm happy with debuger :) |
| 22:07.17 | gabriel9 | i see i have developer folder in /home |
| 22:07.23 | gabriel9 | can i delete that? |
| 22:07.50 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: for what? I think there are files for developer mode |
| 22:07.50 | gabriel9 | it have all duplicated files from my user dir and it just take space |
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| 22:08.59 | nix-cyrus | btw anybody here who using workflowy.com? |
| 22:10.28 | gabriel9 | nop, i will check it |
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| 22:10.31 | gabriel9 | i use Jira |
| 22:10.38 | gabriel9 | well my company |
| 22:11.24 | gabriel9 | and i try to use Wave with some of my friends developers |
| 22:11.36 | gabriel9 | it had nice start but it is too slow and buggy |
| 22:11.52 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: wave too heavy |
| 22:14.09 | gabriel9 | and also that, well for me is not a problem 8GB of ram |
| 22:14.14 | gabriel9 | but still slow |
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| 22:20.33 | V13 | ehlo.. what's the indication that n950 is bricked? Does it stay forever at the 'nokia' logo ? |
| 22:23.52 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: turn off developer mode |
| 22:24.50 | ZogG_laptop | as i understand if you want to use n9 with qt sdk to check your apps you need another user with other permissions |
| 22:24.59 | ZogG_laptop | but i might be wrong |
| 22:25.53 | ZogG_laptop | V13: there is no defination, bricked is just broken+stuck - and that can happen in many ways |
| 22:26.11 | ZogG_laptop | so you an try to flash, to than again no backup =\ |
| 22:26.18 | ZogG_laptop | ~bricked |
| 22:26.18 | infobot | [bricked] a misnomer, when referring to a webos device, unless you have damaged hardware. |
| 22:26.33 | ZogG_laptop | ~brick |
| 22:26.33 | infobot | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq |
| 22:27.42 | SpeedEvil | V13: If you upgraded, it takes ages the firt time to boot |
| 22:27.50 | ZogG_laptop | that bot is sitting at many channels and believe me there thing they teached him you DON'T want to know |
| 22:28.23 | gabriel9 | ZogG i done some strange thing: SDK connection does not work when i Activate it. |
| 22:28.44 | gabriel9 | It does only work when i start Developer mode and restart my device |
| 22:29.30 | gabriel9 | also, when i login in normal mode(without developer mode ON) and then start Developer mode i can' see SDK Connection |
| 22:29.36 | gabriel9 | icon |
| 22:30.08 | gabriel9 | after i turn it off and then On i can see Icon but i cant deploy project or key to the device |
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| 22:30.51 | V13 | speedevil: really, so I shouldn't reflash it ? |
| 22:30.58 | V13 | speedevil it's there for more than 10 minutes |
| 22:31.16 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: simply reinstall it |
| 22:31.23 | ZogG_laptop | with all dependies |
| 22:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | V13^wait another 20 min, then rebott. If that still fails, reflash |
| 22:31.42 | V13 | speedevil after finishing ugprading, it rebooted and it stayed there. Bad thing is that I did a hard reboot already |
| 22:31.51 | V13 | DocScrutinizer: K ... that's what I'll do |
| 22:31.55 | SpeedEvil | Leave it plugged in for a while |
| 22:32.54 | V13 | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: ok.. since you two may know about this: is there a way to detect hildon-desktop's orientation on latest csu? I have drlaunch that needs to detect when orientation of screen changes and act acordingly |
| 22:33.05 | SpeedEvil | No idea, sorry. |
| 22:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | V13: I seem to recall it locked up for me as well, locking screen and then unlocking it fixed that |
| 22:33.18 | V13 | i mean the desktop's orientation. not the device's |
| 22:33.46 | V13 | docs: it's waaaaay before that. it didn't even show the ripples yet. |
| 22:33.47 | nix-cyrus | is there any data for satellite detection preinstalled on n9? |
| 22:34.35 | SpeedEvil | Satellite detection? |
| 22:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, what's hapening when you press power button for a short moment? |
| 22:34.55 | V13 | nothing with up to 5 secs |
| 22:35.00 | V13 | with 10 seconds it powers off |
| 22:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 22:36.10 | V13 | reflashing :) |
| 22:36.23 | V13 | but still, the hildon-desktop's orientation thing puzzles me. |
| 22:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest a full reflash.. at least now that you have force-shutdown it |
| 22:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | esp if it won't boot up now |
| 22:36.53 | V13 | it's reflashinh |
| 22:37.05 | nix-cyrus | SpeedEvil: yea.. for geolocation. When I just bought n9 it workds fine.. but then I have some bugs and make clear function.. it erases all preinstalled data(music,gallery,maps).. after that geolocation in maps doesn't work... it is try to find but can't do it |
| 22:37.09 | V13 | (note: with hildon-desktop I refer to maemo's hildon-desktop) |
| 22:38.43 | nix-cyrus | actually it can... but it taking so much time.. with preinstalled it can find my location in 10-20 minutes.. now it can't find me even after hour of working in background |
| 22:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | nix-cyrus: insert a SIM |
| 22:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | connect to internet |
| 22:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you have plain view to sky and don't move the divice until it got a fix |
| 22:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | and use "location test gui" app to power up and watch GPS |
| 22:46.56 | SpeedEvil | err - n9? does that have location-test? |
| 22:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | as maps etc are known to occasionally switch down GPS receiver after 60s without notifying you, so obviously it will take forever to get a fix then |
| 22:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | ooops |
| 22:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | sorry scratch ALL that, wrong chan |
| 22:49.53 | V13 | how long does the reflash's erasing takes? |
| 22:50.07 | V13 | it's already 13 minutes in 'erasing' |
| 22:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | frowns at $>mount -> aegisfs on /home/user/.positioningd/private type fuse.aegisfs |
| 22:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | will take another 5 to 10 |
| 22:50.36 | V13 | aeg |
| 22:50.38 | V13 | arg |
| 22:50.42 | V13 | thans a lot |
| 22:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | or it hangs :-P |
| 22:51.03 | V13 | xmm |
| 22:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | flashing takes less than an hour ;-.D |
| 22:51.32 | V13 | "tomorrow weather may include sun, fog, rain, snow and fishes dropping from the sky" |
| 22:51.33 | V13 | :P |
| 22:51.46 | V13 | wtf... it just finished :) |
| 22:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 22:51.54 | V13 | (the erasing) |
| 22:52.19 | V13 | xm.. i wander whether it will erase user data also |
| 22:52.23 | V13 | wonder |
| 22:52.33 | V13 | yeap... it seems... |
| 22:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | probably it will |
| 22:52.45 | V13 | if mmc is that :) |
| 22:53.42 | nix-cyrus | DocScrutinizer ok thnx try it today |
| 22:53.57 | V13 | yeay... ripples :) |
| 22:54.18 | V13 | lets customize it one more time :) |
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| 22:55.44 | nix-cyrus | gn and bb all |
| 22:55.44 | V13 | hmm.. angry birds by default |
| 22:55.47 | V13 | i like that :) |
| 22:55.51 | V13 | on a development phone :) |
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| 22:58.31 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-pagestack.html?tab=1 -> Is there way to disable the left side, not just move it to as minimal size as possible ? |
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| 23:03.55 | arcean | V13: could you join #maemo-ssu channel regarding h-d screen orientation problem? |
| 23:04.15 | V13 | of course! |
| 23:19.31 | gabriel9 | ZogG ping |
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