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03:52.43cb-<yawn> .. Anyone awake?
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05:49.04hiemanshuhas anyone written anything with regards to changing fonts in an app?
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06:43.04djszapifrals: do you know how to make the model.data(index, role); call since the index available in the delegate is an integer and not QModelIndex.
06:43.21djszapishall I construct a QModelIndex in QML somehow and pass that ?
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08:02.30djszapiX-Fade ping
08:02.39thpdjszapi: have you set the model on a QML ListView?
08:02.54thpdjszapi: if so, you can use role names to access them from QML via name
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08:03.12djszapithp: I would like to ask for information out of the view/delegate.
08:03.45thpis the information per-row?
08:04.27djszapiI can build a qmodelindex if needed. That was my initial question
08:04.54djszapiyes, it is per row based since qml is pre-mature. It does not really support the table concept
08:05.25djszapiand this is reaaaaaally sad
08:05.50thpdjszapi: use self.setRoleNames() on the QAbstractListModel and then access the fields using the role name, and te data(index, role) call will be created automatically
08:06.27thpdjszapi: e.g. self.setRoleNames({0: 'name', 1: 'email', 2: 'website'})
08:07.05thpdjszapi: in the delegate, you simply use "name", "email", etc.. as if they were local variables
08:07.17djszapithe point is that, I would not like to use it from a delegate
08:07.24djszapiotherwise it would be super simple.
08:07.38djszapisince I have been doing it from delegate for one and half a years
08:08.17thpdjszapi: in that case, why not write a Slot with a return value and a single index parameter? then you can either access the data store directly or create the QModelIndex outside of QML
08:08.39djszapithat is hackish enough
08:08.47djszapiand my question was to avoid such hacks
08:09.19djszapiso I somewhat hoped if I have an index integer saved from the delegate where the click happened. I will be able to ask the data from qml
08:09.28thpi suspect that creating a QModelIndex in QML might be more hackish, but maybe because i have never seen it ;)
08:09.58thpdjszapi: well, QML ListModel has http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-listmodel.html#get-method
08:09.59djszapifrankly, qml should be able to handle this implicitely.
08:10.10djszapiack later, get off the train
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08:41.02djszapiX-Fade: what authentication do you use for AFM ?
08:41.14djszapiplain password ?
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08:48.32djszapiX-Fade: right now, OCS supports only plain password and OpenID.
08:49.09djszapiimplementing an OpenID signon plugin is .. not 2 minutes since there are many ways of doing that and implementing for all of those takes me a time. OAuth is apparently not supported.
08:54.41X-Fadedjszapi: Yeah, we've been pondering about what to do.
08:55.09X-Fadedjszapi: We can do plain over SSL already atm.
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08:55.39djszapiX-Fade: I will use this signon plugin then: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon/blobs/master/src/plugins/password/passwordplugin.h
08:55.51djszapifor the AFM account plugin
08:56.26X-Fadedjszapi: That would be a great!
08:56.39djszapiX-Fade: I will not have a specific AFM plugin since it is OCS after all
08:57.07djszapiso I will put the common stuff in there, like GamingFreedom, AFM, OpenDesktop.org and an "other" option so that anybody can put a new OCS server implementation in there.
08:57.08X-Fadedjszapi: Yeah, well as long as you can configure it to point to the right one :)
08:58.23X-Fadedjszapi: If we can register a 'target' on install, it should be fine.
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09:01.31djszapiX-Fade the concept is similar to the "Other mails"
09:01.42djszapiexcept that we ship the currently known one explicitely, too
09:02.12djszapibecause people will be confused about "Collabrations."
09:02.16X-Fadedjszapi: Can we do it programmatically though? E.g. drop in an config file or some dbus invocation?
09:02.30djszapithey do not know AFM, GamingFreedom or OpenDesktop.org belong there.
09:02.34djszapithey just know these sites :)
09:02.58djszapiX-Fade: well, it is one provider file.
09:03.03djszapiyou can ship a provider file with your app I guess.
09:03.45djszapibut yes, accounts-qt was designed for that.
09:03.53djszapiso that client applications, like gluon can show it up for sure.
09:04.04djszapior irc-chatter for an IRC account plugin I also plan.
09:04.42X-FadeOk, cool.
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09:26.05rantomHi
09:26.21rantomSomeone want to help me reproduce this: bug 329
09:26.26rantom?
09:26.28_MeeGoBot_Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=329 nor, Medium, ---, thomas.wood, CLOS FIXED, Buttons do not change appearance when not reactive
09:26.40rantom...damn. I meant this: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=329
09:27.44fluxrantom, you should perhaps accompany your reproduction with screenshots of each step :)
09:28.18rantomheh
09:30.36rantomI find it odd that with the same firmware I can't get it to work
09:31.27juergbirantom: the attached screenshot only shows the contact card with the birthday set
09:31.40juergbiif i understand you correctly, you're expecting a calendar entry
09:32.01rantomjuergbi: Yes.
09:32.15djszapi10:09 < thp> djszapi: well, QML ListModel has http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-listmodel.html#get-method -> The model is in cpp
09:32.15rantomjuergbi: Yes, I'm expecting a calendar entry
09:32.16fluxrantom, there can be other factors involved that affect this
09:32.26juergbii can confirm that this does not work with pr1.1 but i think that's a missing feature, not a bug per se
09:32.48rantomI'd say it's a bug since it's redirecting to the Calendar
09:33.01rantomIf it'd be a feature it wouldn't link to the Calendar
09:33.04rantomIMO
09:33.05fluxwell, maybe it's just a feature that it shows it in the calendar
09:33.06juergbiit's redirecting to the right date
09:36.04juergbirantom: there are a couple of birthday <-> calendar sync apps that you might want to try
09:36.21rantomjuergbi: Yes, I'm aware of those. Cakeapp and MeeBirthdays
09:36.31rantomWhich only the latter is in the Ovi Store
09:38.57rantomWas it Control+Shift+P to take a screenshot in N950?
09:39.38juergbirantom: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=158
09:39.51juergbiit should be available in a future firmware version
09:40.18rantomjuergbi: Oh, great.. I searched for Calendar and birthdays and the duplicate-finder didn't find that either
09:40.24rantomcurses bugzilla
09:40.33juergbiit doesn't find closed bugs by default
09:41.55rantomdamn
09:43.14rantomjuergbi: is that a feature or a bug?
09:43.19rantombug about bugzilla..
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09:44.29juergbii think it's intentional (bugzilla upstream default, afaik)
09:44.52rantomI'd rather disable it, if I can
09:45.12juergbion the search page you can choose "all" instead of just "open"
09:45.22rantomoh, ok
09:45.35rantomIIRC MeeGo bugzilla was automatically "all"
09:46.24juergbipossible
09:47.07rantomBut thanks. I'll submit the "duplicate" to the bug and attach the screenshot
09:47.31rantomif I can get Boosted WG to show up, that is
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09:57.53rantomDone
09:57.59rantom..had to use the N9
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10:08.24djszapiX-Fade: are you on the ocs mailing list ?
10:08.52X-Fadedjszapi: No, I'm not.
10:09.07djszapihttp://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/ocs
10:09.15djszapiI am now writing a mail about asking the oauth method
10:09.22djszapiwould probably be good to have it in place.
10:09.34X-Fadedjszapi: bergie is our ocs expert :)
10:09.50djszapitalking to him on gtalk right now
10:10.05djszapiyes, we designed the OCS 2.0 standard together in MAy :)
10:10.18djszapiit is a bit sad, it is still not out :/
10:10.38X-FadeYeah, ocs v1 is a bit.... random :)
10:11.22X-FadeBut at least it is something and it works.
10:11.42djszapiyeah, OCS1 is weird, so is the attica API
10:11.58djszapiI would love to scrap these things ...
10:12.06djszapiand revamp them.
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10:18.07djszapiX-Fade: would you see the advantage of having oauth support for OCS ?
10:18.16djszapiI am not familiar with these authentication methods.
10:19.25X-Fadedjszapi: You can then grant an application access to your account through a website. And also revoke if needed.
10:24.20pyhimysI have an application icon that has an arrow pointing down? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/n9arrowicon.png/
10:24.33pyhimysDoesn't seem to do anything
10:24.45thpdjszapi: yes, but you could write a slot in cpp to behave like the get method ;)
10:24.58djszapithp: I will just cache the results
10:25.00djszapifrom the delegate.
10:25.35gripyhimys: that's from the apps for meego installer, as far as I know the icon should not be visible
10:25.38rantomOne more thing (if not under the NDA): has there been any talk about adding support for CarDAV?
10:26.36pyhimysgri: ok, thanks for the info :)
10:26.46X-Fadepyhimys: That is a issue we have with a desktop file which registers the one-click-install file.
10:27.09X-FadeIt tends to go away after reboot or upgrade of the package.
10:27.37X-FadeBut will be fixed more permanently in a future version :)
10:28.01djszapiok, I think I figured out the dependency management story in Ovi store.
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10:35.24gridjszapi: dependency management story?
10:38.25djszapiyes
10:38.41djszapiit can technically handle dependencies.
10:39.12gribut?
10:40.07djszapithere is not "but". I think I understand the things.
10:41.04griyou mean dependencies between two items in ovi store, right?
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10:42.32djszapiyes and no
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10:49.14griis still waiting for ovi qa :( their trainee should work faster :P
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11:37.21CorsacDocScrutinizer: I got another reply from sourcecode request
11:37.28CorsacJust to inform you, the corresponding sources for the open-source components in Meego Harmattan PR1.1 you have requested have been sent by mail on a DVD to the postal address you have provided us. Thank you  for your interest, and have fun!
11:37.41CorsacDocScrutinizer: I'll keep you posted
11:38.16DocScrutinizer51thanks
11:38.35StskeepsCorsac: did you ask them to please check if the version matches before sending it?
11:38.38Stskeeps:P
11:38.47Corsactss :)
11:39.01Stskeeps(i'm not asking that for fun)
11:39.01Stskeeps:P
11:39.55DocScrutinizer51indeed
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11:43.43lizardoCorsac: will they send the kernel sources? I hope so :)
11:44.12Corsacthat was the main point, but I'll let you know
11:45.33pabs3aren't the sorces already published at harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/ ?
11:46.40djszapino
11:47.06djszapiotherwise, these guys would not request it for instance :)
11:47.22Corsacpabs3: they have issues with publishing sources on the web, apparently
11:47.27hiemanshudoesn't GPL require you to publish the sources on the web?
11:47.31Corsacno
11:47.40hiemanshuwhere it is available to all or something like that
11:47.47leinirhiemanshu: No, the GPL requires you to give sourcecode to your users, not publish in general
11:47.54Corsac(we don't know what kind of issues, but the initial mail I received said that dvd was the best they could do right now)
11:47.55hiemanshuleinir: ah right
11:47.57radiofreethey can send it to you printed out if they want to
11:48.10pabs3Corsac: bizarre
11:48.13djszapihiemanshu: please read the GPL license
11:48.14leinir(a lawyer told me this a while back, interesting technicality i didn't realise about it until then ;) )
11:48.34Corsacradiofree: no
11:48.41djszapiCorsac: I did tell many times what kind of issues
11:48.50djszapirefuse my answers ? :)
11:48.59Corsacuh?
11:49.03hiemanshudjszapi: what kind of issues I would like to know
11:49.05CorsacI didn't read them I think
11:49.08hiemanshudid they run out of hosting space?
11:49.10djszapihiemanshu: the log is your friend.
11:49.34hiemanshudjszapi: gimme the TL;DR version :D
11:49.36Corsacdo you have an idea when it was, more or less?
11:51.27djszapihiemanshu: btw, no offense, please read the licenses the open source world uses daily.
11:51.48hiemanshudjszapi: I have read it, was just confused at that point
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11:52.34djszapigri: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon/blobs/master/src/plugins/password/passwordplugin.cpp -> the password plugin seems to be simple.
11:52.42Venemo_N950hey guys
11:52.48djszapiVenemo_N950: could you please investigate irc-chatter ? It is completely non-functional
11:52.59gridjszapi: Already seen that
11:53.14hiemanshudjszapi: its working for us, what exactly do you mean by non-functional?
11:53.22djszapihiemanshu: read the log
11:53.26djszapiyesterday or before that
11:53.46Venemo_N950djszapi, weird, it works for everyone else. could you please join our channel and tell me more about it?
11:54.00djszapiI prefer this channel since more eyes
11:54.06Venemo_N950ok
11:54.15Venemo_N950so what exactly did you do?
11:54.32djszapiVenemo_N950: backlog
11:55.19Venemo_N950djszapi, you said it's stuck at 'connecting, please wait' right?
11:55.30djszapiwell, I said more than that
11:55.42Corsacdjszapi: when pointing people to log, provide a decent pointer would help
11:55.46djszapiI said it happens with any channels, so it is not channel specific
11:55.54djszapiCorsac: the log search ?
11:56.05djszapiCorsac: I am sorry I am having a paid job, I cannot type instead of you.
11:56.13djszapiI would do the same...
11:56.21Venemo_N950djszapi, so it connects to the server, but fails to join channels?
11:56.43djszapiI do not know what the background stuff is, but on the ui: nothing.
11:56.45Corsacdjszapi: well, I do have a paid job too, that's pretty much unrelated
11:56.49Corsacanyway,
11:57.00hiemanshudjszapi: just because you have a paid job doesn't mean we dont, point us somewhere we can look atleast, just saying 'I can find indian food in London' is pointless
11:57.16djszapikeep complaining then, I do not care.
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11:57.34djszapiVenemo_N950: and it happened in every areas where I was, so it is not a network traffic problem.
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11:58.09Venemo_N950djszapi, so it didn't connect to any server at all?
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12:11.39gri|n950works for me ;)
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12:14.12djszapiN9gri try to remove the ident
12:14.31gridjszapi: remove it? you mean setting it to ""?
12:15.34djszapiN9delete it as it is by default
12:16.00djszapiN9it does not work if you either remove that or the real name
12:16.15griapplication crashed
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12:17.57gri|n950test
12:18.14Venemo_N950hey gri|n950
12:18.59griso what's the error? Setting ident to "" crashed the application once, second try did connect
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12:19.47griand crashed again in channel chooser
12:21.15hiemanshugri: what version do you have?
12:21.24griVersion: 0.0.20110903-0~rzr0+lucid0
12:21.33griold it seems
12:22.06hiemanshugri: try 0.1.90 :P
12:22.24Venemo_N950gri, http://bit.ly/getircchatter
12:22.47griok, so the snapshot one
12:23.02hiemanshuyes, there is a 0.1.90 that was written with the newer lib
12:23.45Venemo_N950gri, that build is from yesterday.
12:24.40gristrange, my phone downloads a different one
12:25.22Venemo_N950gri, dat's because this one isn't in any repo yet.
12:25.32griah ok
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12:25.51djszapiN9gri they do not have direct link in the topic sadly
12:26.08djszapiN9but i can find that
12:26.22Venemo_N950djszapi, already gave him the link
12:26.26hiemanshugri: http://j.mp/uS4sL3 easier to type on the phone
12:26.32hiemanshuwget it, and install it :)
12:26.48griI don't type on the phone, always have my usb cable with me for ssh :)
12:27.08djszapiN9Venemo_N950, i do not see direct link
12:28.40Venemo_N950djszapi, i didn't say direct, just link. but as you can see, hiemanshu already has one.
12:29.16gristuck in "connecting" while console shows "IrcSession::open(): userName is empty!"
12:29.31djszapiN9gri indeed
12:29.52hiemanshugri: yes, I asked in #freenode, ircd needs one now, fixing it
12:29.55djszapiN9so it is not like as they said: workd for everybody else :)
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13:24.43thpJaffa: congrats on becoming a qt ambassador :)
13:26.15hiemanshuwhat is the font in Terminal? it seems monospaced
13:52.12Jaffathp: Thanks :-)
13:52.26Jaffaneeds to document a hardhack for the N9
13:53.54thphardhack?
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14:16.10Jaffathp: Hardware hack. Whilst waiting for a nice stand to use my N9 as an alarm clock in my hotel room (I've been using rubber bands for grip and folding the note pads)
14:16.25Jaffathp: But for this trip I've got something better made out of four Lego bricks
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14:28.10Jaffathp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/sets/72157628290175401/
14:30.02mgedminneat!
14:30.21mgedmintried using the 770 stand once, it seemed to mostly work
14:30.51dm8tbrheh, nice
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14:40.45SpeedEvilJaffa: haha
14:40.56SpeedEvilJaffa: I note it is made out of the same material.
14:41.42SpeedEvilis pondering making something ratehr bigger out of polycarbonate - http://www.ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~pastor/MEP/Other/References/Counter%20Flow%20Heat%20Exchanger.pdf
14:42.40Jaffamgedmin: Couldn't find a spare one. I've ordered one from Amazon (a "Crabble"), but it's not here yet.
14:42.56JaffaSpeedEvil: Good point, I forgot that :-)
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14:57.41thpJaffa: ;)
14:58.31thp"This photo was taken 40 minutes ago using a RIM BlackBerry 8520."
15:19.51Jaffathp: Well, I couldn't take the photos with my N9, could I? ;-)
15:21.17Corsacwith your n900!
15:25.13thpmirror magic!
15:26.10luke-jrI'd post a picture of my N900 apart, but my wife lost the other camera :/
15:39.56JaffaCorsac: N900 is at home. I'm at a client site in Sweden (and forgot to take a picture last night when I built it)
15:40.39MohammadAGwe have enough pictures of torn apart N900s :p
15:48.54GeneralAntillesWindows 7 is awesome.
15:49.07GeneralAntillesI especially like how it decides it wont connect to saved wireless networks anymore.
15:52.32griGeneralAntilles: my win7 sets the name server every day to "manual", in university I always have to change back to "automatic"
15:52.42griit can't remember that thing :P
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20:15.05ZogG_laptopwazd: you are everywhere =)
20:15.48ZogG_laptopwow just got p1.2
20:16.07ZogG_laptoppr1.2
20:16.26MohammadAGZogG_laptop, you have an iPhone right?
20:16.44ZogG_laptopdidn't work
20:16.53yipdwZogG_laptop: PR1.2 from where?
20:16.54ZogG_laptopwas tring to check iff people are still alive
20:17.03ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: yeah
20:17.08MohammadAGZogG_laptop, https://twitter.com/#!/MohammadAG/status/143482697275293696/photo/1
20:17.14ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: you got siri i saw it
20:17.22ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: did you jailbreak it?
20:17.38MohammadAGZogG_laptop, obviously, it's an iPhone 4, off topic, go PM :p
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20:19.08ZogG_laptopis it me with timeouts or the world got crazy
20:29.17MohammadAG~seen stroughtonsmith
20:29.18infobotstroughtonsmith <~steven@tethras5.ucd.ie> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 4d 9h 2m 17s ago, saying: 'even tho you can now sync with a mac and wp7 easily'.
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20:45.58Venemo_N950hi
20:48.08Venemo_N950frals, the harmattan facebook app went nuts
20:50.19Venemo_N950frals, its menu shows that I have a new message, while I don't have any new messages. :(
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21:25.55gabriel9good evening
21:26.17Venemogabriel9, you too
21:26.33gabriel9what is the name of the element for "window" title in qml
21:26.47gabriel9some apps have it, and i wish to add it to my app
21:27.07Venemogabriel9, no such element. just place a rectangle there, set its color to whatever color you like, and put inside it a label
21:27.34gabriel9or toolbar
21:27.45gabriel9and i can put some elements on it
21:29.29gabriel9we need some good book for qt/qtquicj
21:29.48Venemogabriel9, here is how I make my toolbar: https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter/blobs/master/qml/harmattan/ChatPage.qml#line55
21:30.40gabriel9did you publish your app?
21:31.00Venemonot yet, no.
21:31.33gabriel9well i need good IRC client
21:31.39gabriel9hurry :)
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21:34.21Venemogabriel9, you can get the latest pre-release from j.mp/uS4sL3
21:34.26Venemogabriel9, you can get the latest pre-release from http://j.mp/uS4sL3
21:34.46gabriel9i must ask: Is this safe to install?
21:34.59gabriel9it will not steal my data or anything like that
21:35.24VenemoI built the .deb yesterday.
21:35.39Venemogabriel9, well, it will regularly make pics with both the front and the rear cam, and it will send them to my email address
21:35.57gabriel9i'm naked just so you know
21:36.01gabriel9and hairy
21:36.02Venemogabriel9, I KNOW!
21:36.06gabriel9XD
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21:36.27daniel_othx, i'm not hungry anymore
21:37.17Venemogabriel9, it automatically uploads pics of nude women to porn sites and pics of naked men to gay dating sites.
21:37.25yipdwVenemo: if so, that's the first Harmattan app I know of that uses the front-facing camera
21:37.26yipdwwell done
21:37.29Venemogabriel9, in other respects, it's safe to install yes.
21:37.34Venemoyipdw, not true
21:37.36gabriel9ok
21:37.43gabriel9there is Simple Mirror
21:37.43Venemoyipdw, there is an app called "simple mirror" in ovi store
21:37.51yipdwVenemo: I didn't know that
21:37.54gabriel9yea that one
21:37.55Venemogabriel9, yipdw, in any case, I'm obviously joking here.
21:38.07daniel_o:D
21:38.18Venemobut the app is free & open source, so feel free to build it for yourself if you feel safer that way.
21:38.29gabriel9:D
21:38.46gabriel9i trust you
21:38.58gabriel9well i would newer make harm to other people
21:39.06gabriel9but if they are evil
21:39.15gabriel9i just bought a knife :)
21:39.35Venemoin your Scratchbox, do 'git pull --recursive git://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/irc-chatter.git' then 'QMAKEFLAGS=DEFINES+=PRERELEASE fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage'
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21:39.55Venemosorry, forgot the cd
21:40.09gabriel9no problem
21:40.12gabriel9i trust you
21:41.59gabriel9damn this nokia browser can' download
21:42.11gabriel9is there any way to fix it
21:45.14Venemogabriel9, go to terminal, type 'wget http://j.mp/uS4sL3'
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21:51.08gabriel9nice icon
21:55.30gabriel9for some reason it ca'nt connect
22:01.24Venemogabriel9, you need to enter both an ident and a real name
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22:04.03Venemogabriel9, the bug is fixed, the fix will be in a newer package.
22:04.52gabriel9ok
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22:08.27gabriel9it's snowing
22:08.38gabriel9\o/
22:08.57Venemoit's not :(
22:10.41M4rtinKsame result, snow's also broken for me :P
22:13.14gabriel9did you try weather.snow()
22:13.38Venemoit threw an InvalidOperationException
22:14.37gabriel9ok, did you implement weather interface?
22:14.46gabriel9there are all the meathods?
22:17.49Venemogabriel9, I also get access denied when I try to access it
22:18.22M4rtinKhmm, Aegis ?
22:18.39Venemo:D
22:18.46gabriel9check paths, and permissions
22:21.53gabriel9anyone from Austria or Swis?
22:22.23gabriel9http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/20111205002.jpg/
22:22.41grigabriel9: oha
22:22.55gabriel9ahoy gri
22:23.20griwe had sun and rain today but no snow :) (ok, bavaria is not austria)
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22:24.07gabriel9do you know how much monney would i need to go on the Alps?
22:24.14gabriel9hotel + food
22:24.25gabriel9and skee pass
22:24.50griskee pass is expensive
22:25.12grithe more days, the less one day costs (as usual)
22:25.32grione day is ~35 - 45 €
22:26.01grifor hotel and food I have no idea, only made day trips
22:26.05gabriel9hm, that's expensive
22:27.28grihttp://www.zillertalarena.com/en/arena/winter/tarife.html
22:27.31grias one example
22:28.01gabriel9wow
22:30.32gabriel9hm this and rent a car = too much
22:32.15griyep and I have to go bed, good night
22:32.44gabriel9good night
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