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| 00:53.10 | JackaLX | Would something like libpurple (pidgin instant messaging lib) which loads sub-modules (the various protocol libs) need to worry about aegis? And if so, where can I learn how to set that up? |
| 00:54.52 | JackaLX | What I want to do is put together harmattan debs for libpurple and telepathy-haze so that I can set up more IM accounts on my N9 |
| 00:57.17 | JackaLX | I've gotten to the point where I can set up an a/c with mc-tool (ICQ for example), but it just won't connect. So I'm wondering if it might be something to do with aegis. |
| 00:58.00 | JackaLX | Obviously the debs I made didn't do anything aegis-wise |
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| 01:47.39 | Aranel | what is the exact location of devicelockd? I accidently (not really accident, trying to get past forgotten pw) chmod -'d it, now I mounted rootfs on host PC but don't know where it is. |
| 01:52.09 | SpeedEvil | How did you mount rootfs on PC? |
| 01:52.39 | Aranel | meego wiki > Fixing Malf State |
| 01:52.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:53.12 | Aranel | yup now found it and chmodded +, rebooted and It stopped the reboot loop. Now to the main problem: |
| 01:53.54 | Aranel | you know, if a Nokia asks you pw and you don't answer it, it somehow remembers it and keeps it asking over and over, now I'm locked out of my phone and don't remember pw. How can I get past this lock screen? |
| 01:57.39 | Aranel | OMG I FOUND IT! After trying countless ridiculous attempts and Track&Protect reminders, It was the same one I use on 'user' user. It's weird, I'm pretty sure I didn't set a pw on UI. |
| 01:59.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:59.55 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 02:01.44 | Aranel | seems like I should file a bug report. MfE worked well for weeks, now It remembered its "security" part tonight, for no real reason and looks like It was the reason of sudden lock. o.O |
| 02:01.55 | Aranel | anyway, time to go to bed ^^ |
| 02:11.27 | SpeedEvil | Insane. Night. |
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| 02:46.02 | hiemanshu_N950 | morning everyone |
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| 03:04.51 | jpwhiting | hmm, is there a way to get harmattan target in Qt creator with distro Qt creator? or is Qt sdk the only way? |
| 03:07.58 | Scifig | jpwhiting, Is the SDK Maintenance Tool included with Distro's Qt creator? |
| 03:08.12 | jpwhiting | Scifig: I'll check |
| 03:09.06 | jpwhiting | Scifig: where would it be? under a menu in Qt Creator? |
| 03:09.19 | Scifig | Help -> Start Updater |
| 03:09.34 | jpwhiting | nope :/ |
| 03:09.43 | jpwhiting | guess I need the official one then |
| 03:09.58 | jpwhiting | this About Qt Creator says it's v 2.2.1 based on Qt 4.7.3 |
| 03:10.19 | jpwhiting | downloads |
| 03:14.21 | Scifig | When you install the latest version, just make sure you use the harmattan target under "Development Tools" (not the one under "Experimental") in the package manager. |
| 03:14.43 | jpwhiting | ugh, http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/da8df288-e615-443d-be5c-00c8a72435f8/Qt_SDK.html the Download links on the right are saying forbidden again |
| 03:14.48 | jpwhiting | checks qt.nokia.com instead |
| 03:28.34 | jpwhiting | Scifig: awesome, thanks for the pointers |
| 03:29.41 | Scifig | Welcome |
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| 09:01.03 | djszapi | X-Fade ping |
| 09:02.22 | djszapi | http://imagebin.org/187205 -> This is the mobile icon I got from my artist friend. By the way: does AFM have an icon I could put onto the applauncher ? |
| 09:03.28 | djszapi | Gamingfreedom has this icon: http://gamingfreedom.org/ OpenDesktop has this icon: http://opendesktop.org/ We need something for AFM as well |
| 09:15.29 | X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, what resolution do you need? We have 80x80 and 64x64. |
| 09:15.38 | djszapi | 80x80 pls. |
| 09:17.40 | X-Fade | djszapi: https://meego.gitorious.org/~xfade/meego-applications/xfades-meego-apps-client/blobs/raw/d72aff358dc5d9ae09d15c1ad422dfe8fc3c67d2/appsformeego/xdg-harmattan/80x80/org-formeego-apps.png |
| 09:17.58 | djszapi | any chance for svg btw ? |
| 09:18.22 | X-Fade | Let me check where we have that. We do have it somewhere though :) |
| 09:19.00 | djszapi | btw, I think it would be clashing if I used this for the account plugin, and the afm client also uses this icon on the applauncher. |
| 09:19.31 | djszapi | it will at least be distinct regarding the text |
| 09:20.02 | X-Fade | djszapi: The account plugin doesn't show in the grid, right? |
| 09:20.10 | X-Fade | djszapi: Where do you expect confusion? |
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| 09:20.52 | djszapi | X-Fade: mmm that is true because the afm client can open up my account plugin |
| 09:21.03 | djszapi | so I need it only inside the list where there can be no clash |
| 09:21.43 | X-Fade | djszapi: Yeah, but I am pretty sure there won't be a site with the same icon using OCS anyway :) |
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| 09:22.10 | djszapi | mmm... the opendesktop icon does not really scale well for mobile. |
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| 10:13.07 | vladest | hi |
| 10:13.28 | vladest | is there qt component for harmattan similiar to symbian's selectionlistitem ? |
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| 10:19.29 | vladest | is there qt component for harmattan similiar to symbian's selectionlistitem ? |
| 10:28.20 | jonni | no there isnt |
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| 11:50.53 | wook | hello, is there any tweak for camera on n950? |
| 12:02.05 | dm8tbr | wook: what would such a tweak do? |
| 12:02.27 | wook | increase quality of photo |
| 12:02.51 | wook | or in addition, extend value to 12mpx |
| 12:06.13 | dm8tbr | not that I know of |
| 12:12.37 | wook | hmm, damn it |
| 12:12.45 | wook | well, thanx anyway |
| 12:14.05 | hiemanshu | the quality of photos depend on the sensor, and well there is no software tweak for a hardware sensor |
| 12:27.28 | jreznik | hiemanshu: of course but post processing matters too |
| 12:27.49 | hiemanshu | jreznik: not by that much really |
| 12:28.14 | jreznik | hiemanshu: you can make it easily worst :) |
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| 13:15.31 | decibyte | come on... please tell us the secret keyboard shortcut to making the camera capture hq 12mpx 3d video at 100fps in low light conditions. |
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| 13:54.50 | hiemanshu | decibyte: Ctrl + Shift + ] + Butterfly :D |
| 14:00.22 | vsync_ | please tell us the tweak how i can multiply my groceries |
| 14:00.38 | vsync_ | i mean... come on please! I wouldn't have to spend that much money anymore! |
| 14:01.42 | vsync_ | it's so funny nowadays how nerds are estranged from the hardware-side and only focusing on the software. It's a bit easier that way I guess. |
| 14:02.11 | hiemanshu | vsync_: the tweak is called shoplifting :P its an illegal tweak :P |
| 14:03.19 | vsync_ | they gonna do me a chroot /jail? |
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| 14:05.10 | decibyte | haha |
| 14:06.53 | hiemanshu | vsync_: yes :P |
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| 15:01.28 | djszapi | mmm, nobody portedthe mpg123 package(s) yet to Harmattan |
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| 15:13.47 | djszapi | has someone tried playing mp3S with the default media player ? |
| 15:14.31 | djszapi | X-Fade: ovi does support dependencies so it should be no problem for AFM ;) |
| 15:14.51 | X-Fade | Only for libs in nokia-apps, right? |
| 15:14.58 | djszapi | using basically anything for dependencies |
| 15:15.01 | djszapi | X-Fade: nope |
| 15:15.09 | X-Fade | No external ones though. |
| 15:15.23 | djszapi | it is not app-wise thing |
| 15:15.33 | djszapi | it is just that you cannot put libs into the "dependency repo". |
| 15:15.39 | djszapi | but ovi as a concept does support it |
| 15:15.58 | djszapi | so if your app using a dependency from that "repo", you can get it without bundling it to your app. |
| 15:16.18 | X-Fade | Yeah, so what happens is that everybody statically links anyway. |
| 15:16.39 | djszapi | no |
| 15:16.44 | djszapi | that is the only thing not happening imho |
| 15:17.07 | X-Fade | Anyway, we have another problem. Because of that hacky nature of the 'ovi' repository. |
| 15:17.10 | djszapi | people first either use the Nokia "apps" repository if it provides the dependency, or use shared libraries inside the same package. |
| 15:17.26 | djszapi | it is not ovi repository |
| 15:17.36 | djszapi | it is a normal debian repository |
| 15:18.10 | X-Fade | The problem I hint at is that because ovi can't do proper repos, they did a hack to make it look like a debian repo. |
| 15:18.23 | X-Fade | And now we have an issue with colliding package names. |
| 15:18.44 | djszapi | that is simple to solve. |
| 15:18.49 | X-Fade | Even if you uninstall an app which previously was installed from ovi, it prevents you to install it from apps. |
| 15:18.54 | djszapi | or at least work around |
| 15:19.27 | X-Fade | By renaming the package, yes. |
| 15:19.32 | djszapi | nope |
| 15:20.25 | X-Fade | It remains in /usr/bin/osa --packages |
| 15:20.51 | djszapi | I am not following. :) Seems I lack some information to the understanding. |
| 15:21.24 | X-Fade | djszapi: Install gpodder from ovi, uninstall gpodder, install gpodder from apps (error) |
| 15:21.48 | djszapi | I think where the confusion is |
| 15:21.55 | X-Fade | Now if you did not install it from ovi before, it works fine. |
| 15:22.06 | djszapi | you mean by "apps" AFM, and not the apps repository ? |
| 15:22.16 | X-Fade | They are the same,. |
| 15:22.36 | djszapi | no |
| 15:22.48 | djszapi | there is an "apps" repository shipped by Nokia which is distinct to AFM. |
| 15:22.48 | X-Fade | I'm talking about community stuff, not nokia-apps. |
| 15:23.01 | X-Fade | That is where I refer to as nokia-apps |
| 15:23.27 | X-Fade | The one where they dump in dependencies to help special apps in ovi out :) |
| 15:23.41 | djszapi | that is why I did not understand. "apps" meant the "apps" repository in the sources.list |
| 15:24.10 | djszapi | so what do you mean by "error" precisely ? |
| 15:24.12 | X-Fade | Ok, so apps as in afm. |
| 15:24.43 | X-Fade | The package manager just shows that it failed to install. |
| 15:25.10 | djszapi | what is the exact reason of the fail ? |
| 15:25.22 | X-Fade | Need to check what it says for apt-get. |
| 15:25.54 | X-Fade | The guy isn't telling you anything at least. |
| 15:25.57 | X-Fade | gui :) |
| 15:26.47 | djszapi | already sees people complaining some apps work from Ovi, but not from AFM because of the lack of credentials.. |
| 15:27.22 | X-Fade | djszapi: The possibility of people complaining :) |
| 15:27.51 | djszapi | maybe a faq section for this might be an idea |
| 15:27.59 | djszapi | or some note to the users. |
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| 16:18.08 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping |
| 16:18.44 | Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, hello |
| 16:18.49 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: hey |
| 16:18.56 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: do you have jabber? |
| 16:19.10 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: pong |
| 16:19.12 | ZogG_laptop | or any other way to communicate |
| 16:19.13 | Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, I dunno what jabber is, so I guess I don't |
| 16:19.35 | Venemo_N950 | ZogG_laptop, you can communicate with me here or on twitter :) |
| 16:19.38 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: wanted to ask you, what is the approval needed to upload pckgs to afm |
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| 16:19.58 | djszapi | anybody with Symbian development capability ? |
| 16:19.59 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: o/ |
| 16:20.08 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: How do you mean? |
| 16:20.19 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: and btw about install error we might use output report thru client to server so the dev can see the logs |
| 16:20.45 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i asked one guy to start maintaining his app thru afm |
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| 16:21.05 | ZogG_laptop | he told he got answer that he needs to wait for approval or something |
| 16:21.09 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: All you need is an account. |
| 16:21.39 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: and acc - i just register and that's it right? |
| 16:21.55 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: meego.com account and ping me. |
| 16:22.43 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit |
| 16:23.00 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: If something is not clear on that page, please let me know. So we can fix it. |
| 16:23.12 | Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi, how're you today? :) |
| 16:23.24 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=23446 |
| 16:23.48 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: looking for a person having Symbian development set up .. |
| 16:24.09 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Hmm afaik, I answered his email. |
| 16:24.09 | djszapi | since qt5 project likes new module proposals if it runs on that series :) |
| 16:24.44 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: oh, lemme ask him |
| 16:25.02 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I've ported an app to symbian almost a year ago. it was a huge pain, will never bother again |
| 16:26.16 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: He is account is already working on obs fwiw. |
| 16:26.18 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, maybe you'll have luck in #qt-symbian |
| 16:26.23 | X-Fade | *his |
| 16:26.26 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: I do not have a choice. I need to do it |
| 16:27.15 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, maybe you'll have luck in #qt-symbian - I got a lot of help there. |
| 16:27.41 | djszapi | I tried #symbian, but that was silent |
| 16:27.44 | djszapi | let us try this. |
| 16:28.01 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: when I have tried it 3 years ago, it was impossible for Linux, and even Windows was painy. |
| 16:28.10 | djszapi | so if it is easy nowadays to set up, I can give it a try. |
| 16:28.32 | ZogG_laptop | damn found really annoying bug on n9 |
| 16:29.01 | ZogG_laptop | really annoying that only flash is the answer and it makes me feel asd panda |
| 16:29.15 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, yeah, no symbian sdk on linux. still. |
| 16:29.34 | ZogG_laptop | as all settings are reset every flash as well as accounts =\ |
| 16:29.42 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: the bigger problem is not Windows, but the QtCreator workflow ;) |
| 16:29.52 | djszapi | can I get rid of that stuff ? |
| 16:30.15 | djszapi | I mean I like Windows, I have nothing against it |
| 16:30.34 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, perhaps, but the default symbian workflow is even more painful |
| 16:30.49 | djszapi | ok, let us continue it in private.. |
| 16:31.39 | ZogG_laptop | wtf, everytime i reboot all passwords are gone and time to time twitter is not working |
| 16:32.09 | djszapi | check oyur syslog |
| 16:32.19 | djszapi | probably signon or/and other db corruption |
| 16:32.31 | djszapi | even if not, check your syslog |
| 16:33.03 | jreznik | remote compiler works quite fine and it's probably faster than my windows netbook with native symbian sdk |
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| 16:33.48 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: where are the logs? |
| 16:34.43 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: proxy server not found |
| 16:35.31 | ZogG_laptop | replyXauthRequestFinished Reply error 99 |
| 16:35.38 | ZogG_laptop | or got reply 0 bytes |
| 16:36.11 | djszapi | you do not have syslog without the developer mode |
| 16:36.39 | djszapi | jreznik: I do not have capability for remote compiling. |
| 16:36.47 | jonni | that reminds me that I have 200device signing rights for all 20 capabilities for symbian and I need to renew the certificate soon... :) |
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| 16:37.17 | djszapi | so if anybody could try to build openal, I would thank.. |
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| 16:48.34 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 16:51.13 | djszapi | jreznik: openal uses cmake, so that is probably even harder for Symbian purposes.. |
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| 17:08.52 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: can you add my acc as well (ZogG) |
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| 17:31.08 | beford | hey. I keep geetting a conflicting app needs to be uninstalled when I'm trying to install something from the ovi store, any hints ? I just did a reset |
| 17:34.13 | dm8tbr | hmm |
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| 17:35.53 | djszapi | beford: could you please tell more details ? |
| 17:39.16 | beford | sure, using n9, I reseted (clear device?) it like 30 mins ago, just set up my nokia account, I tried to install Filebox and got the message, then I tried with Compass and the same message appears, I'm currently restarting it |
| 17:40.45 | beford | it doesn't have developer mode enabled |
| 17:40.59 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: buddy |
| 17:41.14 | Venemo | hey ZogG_laptop |
| 17:41.40 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i had it, the output is above from it, but anyway it's known bug on tracker hope it's goonna be fixed |
| 17:43.18 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: do you have jabber coz i preffer it over PM =) |
| 17:43.37 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I don't know what jabber is |
| 17:43.48 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, so I guess I don't have it |
| 17:44.14 | beford | The exact message is "Dependency notice: To complete installation of phonetorch, a conflicting application needs to be uninstalled. Accept Cancel" |
| 17:44.44 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: had what ? |
| 17:45.16 | beford | ok reading this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80349 |
| 17:45.58 | ZogG_laptop | beford: try to do it from console to see what pck it deletes |
| 17:46.10 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: xmpp? |
| 17:46.14 | ZogG_laptop | ~jabber |
| 17:46.14 | infobot | hmm... jabber is at http://www.jabber.org, http://www.jabber.com, http://www.jabbercentral.com and http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/jabberpy or an instant messaging system, or jabberstudio.org and planet.jabber.org |
| 17:46.52 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: let's say googletalk, facebookchat, whatsapp are based on jabber protocol |
| 17:46.52 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I don't want to register on yet another IM |
| 17:47.07 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you can use gmail account =) |
| 17:47.18 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I HATE gmail |
| 17:47.29 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: but you have it right? |
| 17:47.44 | Venemo | I will NOT log in to that. |
| 17:47.58 | Venemo | just please PM me here. |
| 17:48.03 | djszapi | Venemo: take it easy :P |
| 17:48.31 | ZogG_laptop | i do like jabber |
| 17:48.51 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: what mail service you use btw |
| 17:50.23 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I use the one with my university's domain for work-related messaging, my own domain for private mails, and I use the @msn.com mail address when a web site I register on asks for my email. |
| 17:51.07 | beford | oh flash recommended.. damn, didn't want to start using the n9 with a flash on the first week :P |
| 17:51.37 | Venemo | beford, reflash is first thing I do to every new device I buy/get/etc |
| 17:51.58 | djszapi | Venemo: even your TV ? :P |
| 17:52.05 | Venemo | djszapi, hm? |
| 17:52.17 | Venemo | oh. |
| 17:52.20 | Venemo | I don't use a TV. |
| 17:52.36 | djszapi | even your laptop?* |
| 17:52.39 | djszapi | :P |
| 17:53.10 | djszapi | mmm, fluidsynth does not seem to be ported either to Harmattan. Wonder how people can play mp3 and midi files. |
| 17:53.11 | Venemo | yep. |
| 17:53.26 | Venemo | well, for my laptop, substitue reflash with OS reinstall |
| 17:53.46 | vsync_ | even your stove? |
| 17:54.13 | djszapi | at least the coffee machine ran Qt in Munich |
| 17:54.18 | vsync_ | or a washing machine etc |
| 17:55.02 | Venemo | eeeh |
| 17:55.06 | Venemo | I don't own a stove. |
| 17:57.44 | vsync_ | washing machine? |
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| 18:03.08 | Venemo | vsync_, I wouldn't like to argue with you. but I'm just a student, don't have too many belongings. |
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| 18:04.25 | djszapi | Venemo: do you also refresh your WP7 ? |
| 18:04.32 | vsync_ | well hypothetically if you'd buy something like - say a washing machine. Would you flash it? |
| 18:05.04 | Venemo | djszapi, I don't have a WP7 device |
| 18:05.08 | djszapi | Venemo: I mean, is it more stable or how does that work ? |
| 18:05.17 | djszapi | really ? I thought you got one for the work. |
| 18:05.22 | Venemo | guys, please leave me alone! |
| 18:05.26 | Venemo | djszapi, no I don't |
| 18:05.34 | Venemo | djszapi, WP7 has a well-working emulator. |
| 18:06.00 | djszapi | Venemo: faster than qemu ? |
| 18:06.30 | Venemo | djszapi, yes, methinks |
| 18:06.38 | Venemo | djszapi, it's an x86-based virtual machine |
| 18:06.47 | Venemo | iirc |
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| 18:17.22 | beford | Nokia Suite will allow me to reflash the n9 to the appropiate version, right? |
| 18:17.58 | djszapi | you mean the Nsu ? |
| 18:18.10 | beford | nokia ovi suite |
| 18:18.12 | djszapi | that should do the trick on Windows, at least. |
| 18:18.46 | djszapi | http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/device-software-update?N9= |
| 18:18.55 | djszapi | (it is also referenced from the landing page) |
| 18:19.57 | beford | thanks djszapi |
| 18:21.53 | decibyte | [noob alert] i'm trying to build this: <https://github.com/tominsam/pythondaap/#readme> but i get this error: <http://paste.org/41938>. anyone know why? |
| 18:23.08 | djszapi | try without root ? |
| 18:23.47 | decibyte | djszapi: you are my hero! |
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| 18:23.57 | rzr | hi |
| 18:24.00 | ieatlint | djszapi: mine too ;) |
| 18:24.25 | djszapi | do you guys understand why ? |
| 18:24.33 | djszapi | or I should explain it ? |
| 18:24.51 | ieatlint | i didn't load either link actually |
| 18:27.58 | djszapi | rzr: do you have time for packaging ? |
| 18:28.09 | djszapi | I have some FRs that I do not have time to do right now. |
| 18:29.19 | decibyte | djszapi: if that explanation thing was for me, please do. |
| 18:30.32 | djszapi | decibyte: the "so" belongs to the user, and that is protected from root or anybody else on Harmattan by default. |
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| 18:34.23 | decibyte | djszapi: ahh, okay. i don't really know anything about this. but i thought i had to be root to install it "system wide" if that makes any sense. it probably does not :) |
| 18:37.38 | djszapi | decibyte: you were building, not installing. |
| 18:38.31 | decibyte | djszapi: i see. |
| 18:38.39 | decibyte | but it even installed witout being root. |
| 18:38.47 | decibyte | *without |
| 18:39.13 | djszapi | that is not unexpected. |
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| 18:48.50 | decibyte | djszapi: okay. and now it's installed for everybody? (which doesn't really matter in this case) |
| 18:49.38 | djszapi | if the install went fine, I guess. |
| 18:50.10 | decibyte | okay. thanks. |
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| 19:30.10 | rzr | djszapi: what kind of packages ? |
| 19:30.18 | djszapi | rzr: mpg123 |
| 19:30.33 | djszapi | fluidsynth, and all their dependencies please. |
| 19:30.50 | rzr | then I guess the whole kde stack is done ? |
| 19:31.15 | djszapi | nope |
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| 19:49.42 | Aranel_N9 | How can I manually lock N9 (as in lock code)? |
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| 19:50.54 | djszapi | button on the right side |
| 19:51.32 | dm8tbr | that does not ask for the lock code |
| 19:51.47 | dm8tbr | you'd need to manually set the lock timeout to zero first |
| 19:52.40 | jonni | Aranel_N9: initctl restart xsession/devicelockd |
| 19:52.48 | jonni | that will ask you the security code |
| 19:52.58 | dm8tbr | btw: I was wondering the same. would be kind of cool if that could be made into an app |
| 19:53.18 | dm8tbr | simple no ui, just press app icon, lock device |
| 19:53.33 | jonni | just make icon which calls that command, and your set |
| 19:53.46 | djszapi | that is hackish imho |
| 19:53.48 | dm8tbr | doesn't need to be done as root? |
| 19:53.52 | djszapi | I would rather use the devicelock api |
| 19:54.01 | dm8tbr | is it documented? |
| 19:54.06 | djszapi | of course |
| 19:54.11 | jonni | its hackish yes, but very quick to implement |
| 19:55.21 | ajalkane | The API requires credentials that are not available for 3rd party apps, yes? |
| 19:55.35 | ajalkane | So the initctl restart sounds like good solution |
| 19:56.27 | djszapi | that is not quite how we designed. |
| 19:56.32 | djszapi | if it requires, that is a bug |
| 19:56.42 | dm8tbr | only found that MeeGo::QmLocks is deprecated in favour of something where I can't find documentation for |
| 19:56.53 | ajalkane | It requires mce::TKLockControl right? |
| 19:57.20 | Aranel_N9 | so whats the best approach? should I make a .desktop file with initctl command? |
| 19:57.23 | ajalkane | There is a bug report in harmattan-bugs on it |
| 19:57.48 | djszapi | Aranel_N9: you can run scripts form the desktop file, but also from your application |
| 19:58.15 | djszapi | ajalkane: where I probably commented on it is a bug and not how supposed to work |
| 19:58.42 | dm8tbr | wonders if a lock-button would make it through OVI QA |
| 19:58.48 | djszapi | 114 |
| 19:59.04 | djszapi | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=114 |
| 19:59.28 | Aranel_N9 | [21:59] [Aranel_N9(+i)] [2:freenode/#harmattan(+cnt)] |
| 19:59.40 | Aranel_N9 | oops sry :) |
| 19:59.45 | djszapi | it is ok |
| 20:00.18 | djszapi | I think we even warned Ovi about the credentials |
| 20:00.27 | djszapi | how we designed it... Seems they disregard things |
| 20:00.29 | djszapi | sadly... |
| 20:00.46 | ajalkane | djszapi: you mention that if develsh accl -I credentials differs from credentials application can get, there is a bug. There ic no mce::* credentials in the list, and applications can't get mce::* credentials. So if I parse your comment correctly, there is no bug. |
| 20:01.23 | djszapi | you parse wrong :) |
| 20:01.34 | djszapi | so What I tried to say, is that there is some security bug underneath |
| 20:01.50 | djszapi | but since they are the same, security is okay, and Ovi messed up the credential policies. |
| 20:01.56 | ajalkane | Ok... I hope it gets fixed. I need mce::DeviceModeControl myself. |
| 20:02.02 | djszapi | since it was assigned to us, security |
| 20:02.06 | djszapi | and it has ntohing to do with security |
| 20:02.13 | djszapi | no, it is never gonna be fixed |
| 20:02.23 | djszapi | sadly |
| 20:02.29 | ajalkane | Aww... so initctl start is the friend if it works. |
| 20:02.39 | djszapi | sadly, yes. Thank to Ovi |
| 20:03.02 | ajalkane | OVI was born sad, seems like it continues to be sad :) |
| 20:03.22 | djszapi | I regret, me and other colleagues could not be there at that ovi meeting where the policies were decided |
| 20:04.00 | ajalkane | It's a majro clusterfuck if the people responsible for the security framework were not invited to such a meeting. |
| 20:04.14 | djszapi | well, there was one person invited |
| 20:05.10 | ajalkane | so why can't it be fixed anymore? |
| 20:06.02 | djszapi | I think I already somewhat exceeded the limit I could talk about. I am sorry, but I cannot share this information, I think. |
| 20:06.17 | ajalkane | That's okay. |
| 20:09.26 | Aranel_N9 | I dont know how to scroll in irssi, if somebody copy pastes the whole command it would be nice :) |
| 20:09.40 | ajalkane | PageUp/PageDown to scroll |
| 20:09.55 | dm8tbr | in newer fingerterm: swipe :) |
| 20:10.19 | dm8tbr | 19:52:39< jonni> Aranel_N9: initctl restart xsession/devicelockd |
| 20:14.35 | Aranel_N9 | swipe doesnt work, I think its time to get myself a better/simpler commercial one ^^ thanks dm8tbr :) |
| 20:15.19 | djszapi | Aranel_N9: you can also use other graphical IRC clients. |
| 20:19.18 | Aranel_N9 | djszapi: can you name a few? :) ran a search through Ovi, got irssi anf 2 commercial ones |
| 20:19.33 | djszapi | Aranel_N9: irc-chatter, and some communi too |
| 20:21.04 | Aranel_N9 | djszapi: communi looks commercial. |
| 20:23.30 | djszapi | Aranel_N9: just grab irc-chatter |
| 20:24.16 | djszapi | Aranel_N9: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Venemo/IRC_Chatter#Releases |
| 20:25.31 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.28 | Aranel_N9 | djszapi: I hope so too, but my first wish is gtasks app! I may learn Qml to do it, I need it desperately. |
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| 20:36.29 | dm8tbr | Aranel_N9: I think the latest fingerterm should have swipe working |
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| 20:40.18 | Venemo | how can I reset tracker? |
| 20:40.23 | Venemo | or something like that |
| 20:40.52 | Venemo | it loads some music with incorrect album arts |
| 20:40.52 | jonni | Aranel_N9: and shift-PgUp and shift-PgDn also works for scrollback on irssi |
| 20:41.26 | jonni | (and without shift too) |
| 20:45.48 | Venemo | found it. |
| 20:45.54 | Venemo | 'tracker-control -r -c' |
| 20:46.02 | Stskeeps | that kills your contacts too |
| 20:46.05 | Stskeeps | AFAIK |
| 20:46.49 | Venemo | NOOO |
| 20:46.52 | Venemo | FUCK. |
| 20:47.06 | Venemo | who the hell stores the contacts in the same place as the album arts? |
| 20:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | the name is TRACKER |
| 20:47.56 | w00t | Stskeeps would be correct.. it'll also kill off a lot of other things |
| 20:48.06 | w00t | Venemo: pong, i think you pinged awhile ago |
| 20:48.06 | Venemo | w00t, yeah, it DID |
| 20:48.16 | Venemo | in any case, I have a backup, so it can't win :) |
| 20:48.22 | w00t | but i suspect you're a bit busy now |
| 20:48.24 | w00t | :P |
| 20:48.28 | jonni | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.29 | jonni | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.29 | jonni | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.32 | Venemo | w00t, ponged you in PM |
| 20:48.54 | Venemo | jonni, indeed, but I didn't have a clue that it also stores my contacts. |
| 20:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, isn't that the most brilliant thing since e=mc^2? Replace a sane filesystem, even without C: etc, by a fucked up flat database for **EVERYTHING** |
| 20:49.43 | Venemo | it should have an option where I can tell it what to delete. |
| 20:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 20:50.29 | Venemo | because if I want to delete my album arts, I won't want to delete my contacts |
| 20:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | you should TAG the stuff you want to delete! |
| 20:50.32 | Venemo | that's all |
| 20:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 20:51.00 | Venemo | it doesn't even have an option to choose what to delete. f***. |
| 20:51.29 | Venemo | let's hope my backup was recent enough |
| 20:52.19 | w00t | Venemo: it sort of does, if you learn sparql and run queries to tell it what to do |
| 20:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | an implementation and architecture like done by an alcoholic, based on a concept specified by a kid with only Tom&Jerry education |
| 20:55.57 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, your sense of humor and metaphors always amuse me :) |
| 21:02.58 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: still here? |
| 21:03.07 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i think i finished my simple app |
| 21:03.14 | ZogG_laptop | but i can't include some lib |
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| 21:05.47 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, no idea, sorry |
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| 21:06.33 | ZogG_laptop | any one ? how do i add to .pro file libs e.g. jasson? |
| 21:06.42 | ZogG_laptop | jansson |
| 21:07.38 | daniel_o | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-2.3/creator-project-qmake-libraries.html |
| 21:07.42 | daniel_o | ? |
| 21:13.19 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 21:13.57 | daniel_o | actually i have no idea what u're doing :D so it's just a guess :D |
| 21:14.06 | djszapi | Venemo: I am soooo happy Symbian support is not a requirement in Qt5 :) |
| 21:15.16 | Venemo | djszapi, :) |
| 21:16.02 | djszapi | Venemo: did you have a game project btw ? |
| 21:17.44 | Venemo | djszapi, Puzzle Master is a game, yes |
| 21:18.08 | djszapi | Venemo: do you plan to have a sound in that ? |
| 21:18.15 | Venemo | djszapi, nope |
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| 22:14.09 | gabriel9 | damn |
| 22:14.24 | gabriel9 | i can't put toolbar on the top |
| 22:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | OK, why does this damn thing arbitrarily decide not to use WiFi networks automatically? |
| 22:20.54 | gabriel9 | did you turn on background connection? |
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| 22:22.31 | M4rtinK | also, the networks might need to be moved to the "connect automatically" group in settings |
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| 22:26.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I keep switching it on |
| 22:26.36 | GeneralAntilles | and it keeps turning it off. |
| 22:34.34 | Tronic | GeneralAntilles: I think that happens when in powersave mode. |
| 22:34.49 | Tronic | Then it won't keep itself connected unless there is a reason. |
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| 23:18.54 | gabriel9 | Does anyone know where can i found projects from here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Code_examples/Qt_Quick.xhtml |
| 23:19.03 | gabriel9 | they are not aviable anymore |
| 23:21.38 | djszapi | they /are/ available |
| 23:21.53 | djszapi | there is just some maintenance ongoing, but it does not mean they deleted the projects for fun |
| 23:29.09 | M4rtinK | maybe they are somewhere on Gitorious ? |
| 23:29.32 | M4rtinK | at least the examples gallery lives there |
| 23:30.49 | gabriel9 | maybe |
| 23:31.56 | gabriel9 | can anyone tell me what is this element for header bar: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_UI_design_in_Harmattan_applications.html |
| 23:33.38 | gabriel9 | rectangle |
| 23:37.09 | djszapi | I know it in MTF, but not in components.. |
| 23:37.54 | djszapi | not sure it is exposed, as many other important things are not exposed either. |
| 23:42.14 | gabriel9 | MTF? |
| 23:43.15 | djszapi | Meego Touch Framework |
| 23:43.24 | djszapi | the whole operation under QML. |
| 23:43.28 | djszapi | Components* |
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| 23:46.15 | gabriel9 | i don't understand why are they keap it a secret |
| 23:47.50 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
| 23:48.40 | gabriel9 | exposed |
| 23:48.52 | gabriel9 | it is not exposed |
| 23:48.58 | gabriel9 | so it is a secret |
| 23:49.09 | djszapi | because components and qml in general are pre-mature stuff |
| 23:50.35 | gabriel9 | aha |
| 23:50.56 | gabriel9 | so i shuold wait or get source code of the File Manager |
| 23:51.06 | gabriel9 | it's late, good night |
| 23:51.39 | rzr | there are some opensource filemanagers to look at |
| 23:52.14 | gabriel9 | http://store.ovi.com/content/208884?clickSource=search&pos=2 |
| 23:52.51 | M4rtinK | even filebox has not source yet |
| 23:53.40 | M4rtinK | at least I didn't find it anywhere |
| 23:54.05 | rzr | cuteexplorer is opensource see my test |
| 23:54.09 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/file |
| 23:54.54 | djszapi | what should we see in cuteexplorer ? |
| 23:55.23 | djszapi | I do not see the sheet header... |
| 23:55.32 | djszapi | there is only a custom lineedit, that is |
| 23:56.33 | rzr | hint press play button |
| 23:56.48 | rzr | bottom left |
| 23:56.48 | djszapi | did, but I did not see sheet header |
| 23:57.06 | rzr | what is a sheet header ? |
| 23:57.30 | mgedmin | I peeked at the builtin apps and decided the header was just part of the background png |
| 23:57.31 | rzr | ah that one you talked before i joined in |
| 23:57.35 | rzr | ok |
| 23:57.35 | djszapi | what gabriel9 actually asked |
| 23:57.37 | mgedmin | I tried to emulate it with a few rectangles and text |
| 23:57.42 | djszapi | this cuteexplorer has nothing to do with it |
| 23:58.03 | djszapi | mgedmin: not really |
| 23:58.09 | djszapi | there is a MTF element for this directly. |
| 23:58.20 | mgedmin | that must be nice for those using MTF... |
| 23:58.23 | djszapi | it is just the mere fact, components is pre-mature about this, too |
| 23:58.50 | mgedmin | anyway here's my half-baked attempt at a QML header bar: https://github.com/mgedmin/qml-time-tracker/blob/master/qml/TimeTracker/Header.qml |
| 23:59.58 | djszapi | yes, it is hackable, but it is not nice |
