| 00:00.06 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there's this for contacts on the N9 actually |
| 00:00.08 | ZogG_laptop | check the meego forum |
| 00:00.14 | MohammadAG | or when I take a photo on the iPhone, it appears on the iPad |
| 00:00.27 | MohammadAG | or when I purchase/download an app, it downloads on all three devices |
| 00:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | AMAZING!!! |
| 00:00.31 | MohammadAG | all this is instant |
| 00:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | WOW |
| 00:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 00:01.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you have to admit, this isn't on any other device |
| 00:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | got a $home at some box with a fixed IP |
| 00:01.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG: on Palm it was called synergy =) |
| 00:01.28 | MohammadAG | it's very seamless |
| 00:01.41 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and Nokia? |
| 00:02.09 | MohammadAG | ovi notifications, you better be as good as iOS's push notifications |
| 00:02.17 | javispedro | no idea, but as I said, I was surprised to find my contacts were already on the device once |
| 00:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | yawns like a dog, utters some curses to make whole Redmond go to hell, and heads off to fridge to find some snack |
| 00:02.26 | javispedro | (so they must come from the ovi/nokia account) |
| 00:02.46 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: install a virus! |
| 00:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not a crasher, I'm a hacker |
| 00:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | and STE starts to appreciate that |
| 00:03.28 | javispedro | STE is ? |
| 00:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | ST-E |
| 00:03.48 | javispedro | the one I know... ? |
| 00:03.50 | javispedro | woah |
| 00:04.00 | javispedro | ericsson I mean? |
| 00:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | access to *all* the sources |
| 00:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | LTE |
| 00:04.22 | javispedro | woah, congratulations |
| 00:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 00:04.59 | javispedro | and they force you to XP? :P |
| 00:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | let's see how long they tolerate a freal like me |
| 00:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | yep, they do |
| 00:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | ClearCase, SourceInsight, Eclipse, lots of proprietary stuff to wrap all that up |
| 00:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | FF forbidden |
| 00:06.18 | javispedro | Eclipse is not :) |
| 00:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | outlook mandatory |
| 00:06.40 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you got me wrong |
| 00:06.51 | javispedro | (unless you are using some of the IBM $CRAP, which you probably are -- seeing ClearCase) |
| 00:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | eclipse is wrapped up in ODE (c) ste, and that is integrated into CC, and around CC there's another proprietary wrapper |
| 00:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, there's an IBM thing around too |
| 00:09.05 | javispedro | unsurprising |
| 00:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | a real PITA to make your email work in a useful way, when you have to use outlook and that server thing from redmond I always forget the name |
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| 00:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | keeping threads in one folder is an unknown and almost unimplementable concept on outlook |
| 00:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | setting up filters is causing almost instant nausea |
| 00:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | you can move all sent mails to inbox folder, but you got no "mark as read" on rules for outbound X-P |
| 00:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | but I have to say I like their concept of building software stacks for their LTE stuff. Pretty good tutorials about everything, a clean nice architecture, everything like "dbus based" |
| 00:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | haven't seen a similarly good concept elsewhere so far |
| 00:16.30 | MohammadAG | then clearly you haven't seen iOS! |
| 00:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 00:16.40 | MohammadAG | runs far far away |
| 00:17.02 | MohammadAG | steve hated public transportation |
| 00:17.05 | javispedro | I think I will soon have to use protective goggles everytime MohammadAG talks about iOS |
| 00:17.14 | MohammadAG | there is no dbus equivalent |
| 00:17.19 | jabis | setting up a single vps for incoming mail was the smartest thing I ever did |
| 00:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | actually Apple has also good whitepapers and howto |
| 00:17.31 | javispedro | not to catch some virulent apple disease |
| 00:17.33 | MohammadAG | their docs are good |
| 00:17.41 | jabis | tho that would incline I'm stupid x) |
| 00:17.59 | MohammadAG | and the number of iSheep means development can pay good |
| 00:18.30 | MohammadAG | I'm also surprised at some game copies on the app store |
| 00:18.31 | javispedro | jabis: doing that (vps and redirect all my mail to it) is on my todo list |
| 00:18.40 | mosty | is there a way to force a refresh of application icons? sometimes when i install or upgrade packages the icon is missing. after a while it fixes itself. "xdg-icon-resource forceupdate" doesn't appear to do anything |
| 00:18.43 | MohammadAG | angry chickens and cake ninja to name a few |
| 00:18.43 | javispedro | jabis: do you use anykind of OSS webmail server? |
| 00:19.06 | javispedro | MohammadAG: angry nerds is best |
| 00:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: 70% of mobile devices worldwide are using the software stack I'm working on now (or one of the siblings/predecessors) |
| 00:19.27 | javispedro | MohammadAG: someone should really make a "Angry Nerds vs Evil iSheeps" game |
| 00:19.27 | MohammadAG | iOS? |
| 00:19.32 | MohammadAG | runs again |
| 00:19.48 | MohammadAG | javispedro, fuckin brilliant |
| 00:20.04 | javispedro | I'd love throwing Android users using a slingshots towards blue jean black jersey zealots |
| 00:20.43 | jabis | javispedro: I've got two vps instances - the other one to receive and filter - and the nother for actually housing it :) |
| 00:21.01 | javispedro | psst, too expensive for me :) |
| 00:21.08 | jabis | *housing the remaining - spam = 0% |
| 00:21.51 | jabis | every now and then I freak and have a looki at the spamfilter (90days of shiz) and usually there is nothing of interest |
| 00:23.33 | MohammadAG | KDE is way too slow at file processing |
| 00:23.49 | jabis | javispedro: I pay ~120e/year for the whole shebang - ~50 domains with email-relays via mysql & postfix |
| 00:24.11 | MohammadAG | oh and one more thing |
| 00:24.17 | MohammadAG | iOS is unix based right? |
| 00:24.21 | MohammadAG | unix has a mount concept |
| 00:24.28 | javispedro | jabis: where? (out of curiosity, still way too expensive) |
| 00:24.30 | MohammadAG | iOS can copy multiple items over USB at the same time |
| 00:24.43 | MohammadAG | but still, you can access the eMMC equivalent while copying the files |
| 00:25.08 | MohammadAG | so it's not MTP (simultaneous copying), and it's not mass storage |
| 00:25.11 | MohammadAG | wtf is it |
| 00:25.11 | jabis | javispedro: I find it really cheap (49euro/month for local hosting in finland) |
| 00:25.51 | jabis | javispedro: bluemilecloud dot something today - it was 5bean when I took the first backup boxes from them |
| 00:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: OBEX |
| 00:26.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I fear it's a custom protocol |
| 00:26.23 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ?? |
| 00:26.31 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you mean using iTunes and ONLY iTunes? |
| 00:26.37 | mosty | has anyone else had problems with application icons not being updated properly in harmattan? |
| 00:26.42 | MohammadAG | when you connect an iPhone |
| 00:26.50 | MohammadAG | you get the DCIM folder exported as a camera device |
| 00:26.54 | MohammadAG | similar to MTP |
| 00:27.01 | MohammadAG | but you can do multiple file-copying |
| 00:27.02 | javispedro | "similar"? |
| 00:27.05 | MohammadAG | something MTP can't do |
| 00:27.09 | javispedro | it can't? |
| 00:27.09 | jabis | mosty, sounds like an upgrade gone to shit for me |
| 00:27.12 | MohammadAG | no |
| 00:27.23 | MohammadAG | wasn't that a huge issue of the Nexus Prime? |
| 00:27.29 | MohammadAG | or Galaxy Nexus, or whatever it got called |
| 00:27.34 | jabis | mosty, you have developer mode on? |
| 00:28.10 | MohammadAG | but still, iTunes can handle music copying |
| 00:28.15 | MohammadAG | and the filesystem is live on iOS |
| 00:28.47 | mosty | jabis, yes i have developer mode on |
| 00:28.49 | MohammadAG | fyi the iPhone can show how much of the song has been copied over |
| 00:28.58 | jabis | javispedro: oh btw - depending on what you need, I could be of service :) |
| 00:29.01 | javispedro | the MTP protocol does support transfering multiple objects |
| 00:29.11 | MohammadAG | javispedro, at the same time? |
| 00:29.15 | javispedro | yep |
| 00:29.16 | MohammadAG | afaik it queues copying |
| 00:29.29 | javispedro | _the protocol_ |
| 00:29.34 | javispedro | I don't know about any implementation tbh |
| 00:29.48 | mosty | jabis, it doesn't always happen, and i have checked that the correct icon is in place. i can't figure out what is wrong, nor how it eventually fixes itself |
| 00:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | meh, n8 folks |
| 00:30.39 | jabis | mosty, you haven't for example copied a fewhundred megabytes of stuff to MyDocs? :) |
| 00:31.59 | jabis | mosty, the indexing wizard is a freaky peace of software (imo) that could result in the momentarily loss of icons (indexed pieces of .ico/png) |
| 00:32.02 | mosty | jabis, not as part of the .deb package. i have a bunch of mp3s and stuff in there though |
| 00:32.49 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: howdy :) |
| 00:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | btw, feel free to spread the word about http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 00:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | on FMC, whatever |
| 00:33.22 | jabis | 8 days without IRC and I feel like a relic x) |
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| 00:34.19 | jabis | which phone is that for? |
| 00:34.54 | jabis | 950 *stupid* |
| 00:34.56 | mosty | jabis, do you know what the indexing wizard is called, or where i can find documentation on it? |
| 00:35.51 | jabis | mosty, afaik NOKIA closed source, so nowhere |
| 00:36.29 | mosty | jabis, i have seen similar issues on the meego tablet UX previously |
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| 00:37.26 | jabis | mosty, you can test it by cut-paste your mp3s out of the device, and then back - you can't play a song in the library before the indexing "wizard" has touched the file |
| 00:37.57 | mosty | jabis, i'll try that out |
| 00:38.48 | jabis | also a malformed png will break the rest of the icons as far as I've tested - until you reset the order |
| 00:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: EH?? |
| 00:40.27 | mosty | the png appears to be valid, works everywhere i have checked it except in meego/harmattan ui's |
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| 00:42.19 | jabis | Doc, packed an image that was ~57% ready and it broke the rest of the images, and after 3 or so minutes rebooted my N9 - could replicate a few times |
| 00:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: sorry, I'm still with *my* topic |
| 00:43.56 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: np x) |
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| 00:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | I just see stupid questions |
| 00:45.55 | jabis | Doc, you can't blame the people for stupid questions - you can only give stupid answers ^^ |
| 00:47.47 | jabis | mosty: sorry - I'm beginning to get drunk, but what exactly breaks when you deploy the application? |
| 00:48.13 | jabis | you just dont see the icon or? |
| 00:49.19 | mosty | jabis, the application works fine. it's just that on some devices the icon appears as a red square in the application list (or isn't updated to the new icon if we installed a new one). and then at some later point the icon is fixed. sometimes a reboot fixes it, sometimes not. and on some devices the icon always appears as it should |
| 00:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: I can refuse to give any answer, and refrain from blaming anybody. After all it's your device that either uns open mode or secure mode, and if you don't care, why should I? just publicly attributing it "stupid" is pissing me off |
| 00:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | esp since it'S plain wrong |
| 00:50.02 | mosty | jabis, the red square seems to appear after the first install of the package, never when upgrading |
| 00:50.23 | mosty | but as i said, this doesn't happen on all devices, some work fine |
| 00:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | 950 *stupid*? NAH, jabis *stupid* |
| 00:51.45 | jabis | Doc, I was just asking which platform was that on - and blamed myself stupid for not looking at the url x) dood - you're too deep into this - which IS why I love ya ^^ |
| 00:52.20 | mosty | jabis, if i edit the .desktop file and specify a icon that doesn't exist, it shows a red square. so it seems there is some buggy icon caching going on |
| 00:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/20111208_006.jpg [2011-12-09 00:41:35] <javispedro> I booted the kernel, and it works |
| 00:54.36 | javispedro | hmm |
| 00:54.43 | javispedro | is now confused too |
| 00:54.43 | jabis | mosty, do you have a .harmattan_desktop there as well |
| 00:54.57 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: he assumed a N9. I tested on a N950. |
| 00:55.05 | javispedro | dunno about the N9. Remember I don't have one. |
| 00:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | well, the kernel probably works on both platforms anyway |
| 00:55.41 | javispedro | I am not even sure we even have the same version these days. |
| 00:55.54 | javispedro | but yes, if we are, then it should work |
| 00:56.05 | javispedro | also for some reason n9 users don't get the warranty prompt |
| 00:56.15 | jabis | PR1.1 on N9 was the same as beta 3 on 950? |
| 00:56.21 | javispedro | yep |
| 00:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 00:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | +- a day |
| 00:56.51 | javispedro | nods |
| 00:56.57 | javispedro | ... which is I'm not sure we have the same kernel version... |
| 00:57.03 | jabis | I don't have a 950 tho I have a devel N9 so all the rules bound don't affect me x) |
| 00:57.40 | javispedro | maybe I should ask DDP guys to send me a N9 instead of another N950 :) |
| 00:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | calls it a day, and hits the sack to start in 4h to try and bring all of you folks awesome (free?) LTE sticks and modules in the future |
| 00:58.17 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: haha, hope so! |
| 00:58.29 | jabis | you do that ^^ |
| 01:01.17 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: and publicly I attributed myself as stupid - you'll see it tomo when you read them logs X) |
| 01:02.07 | jabis | tho I may not be - but that's another topic >.< |
| 01:02.36 | mosty | jabis, no- what is a .harmattan_desktop file? |
| 01:04.04 | jabis | mosty, app_harmattan.desktop |
| 01:04.47 | jabis | it shouldn't've been generated by qtcreator |
| 01:05.06 | jabis | (if you used such a thing that is) |
| 01:05.27 | mosty | i don't use qtcreator. anyway there is no such file on my test device |
| 01:05.43 | ZogG_laptop | ok who can help me with qml? |
| 01:06.21 | jabis | I believe the description lies somewhere in the Nokia Store entry reqs |
| 01:06.37 | jabis | ZogG, you hate me still? x) |
| 01:06.45 | jabis | for being right x) |
| 01:06.47 | ZogG_laptop | jabis: why? |
| 01:06.58 | ZogG_laptop | jabis: remind me |
| 01:07.33 | jabis | I've been awal for at least 10 days - but because of something x) |
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| 01:11.23 | ZogG_laptop | hhmmmm |
| 01:12.20 | ZogG_laptop | i have toolbar declared in main.qml and i have label declared in other.qml |
| 01:12.35 | ZogG_laptop | main.qml loads declare as part of it |
| 01:13.22 | ZogG_laptop | but when i do set onclicked for toolbar other.link.text=qsTr("test"); it doesn't work |
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| 01:14.38 | merlin1991 | anybody know why if every update of the apps for meego app I get that silly update icon thingy in my launcher? |
| 01:16.48 | jabis | ZogG_laptop: you're prolly hooking to the wrong native event *guessing game* |
| 01:17.30 | jabis | merlin1991: every update will pop "down" :) |
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| 01:33.32 | merlin1991 | no I mean, is there going to be an update when it doesn't come and pollute my launcher? |
| 01:33.53 | merlin1991 | the only way I know to get rid of it is to remove the app, and reinstall the newest version |
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| 02:04.17 | javispedro | wow |
| 02:04.22 | javispedro | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh694058 |
| 02:04.37 | javispedro | the license for the windows metro app store specifically mentions Open Source apps |
| 02:05.08 | javispedro | and is actually NOT bashing them, but rather giving them nearly carte blanche |
| 02:05.26 | javispedro | "... if you include FOSS, your license terms may conflict with the limitations set forth in Section 3 of those Terms, but only to the extent required by the FOSS that you use." ... |
| 02:05.47 | SpeedEvil | wow indeed |
| 02:06.14 | SpeedEvil | They don't limit the licence to one of the normal set? |
| 02:06.16 | ieatlint | MS isn't anti-FOSS, they're just not active supporters |
| 02:06.57 | javispedro | well in the phone world they are quite antiFOSS |
| 02:07.06 | javispedro | this is for the desktop btw, I see I failed to mention it |
| 02:07.30 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: they define it as OSI-approved |
| 02:07.40 | SpeedEvil | ah - makes sense |
| 02:08.12 | javispedro | ah, it's just one sentence after that =) |
| 02:08.15 | luke-jr | javispedro: it makes sense though |
| 02:08.23 | luke-jr | javispedro: it is another step toward DRM world |
| 02:08.26 | javispedro | "“FOSS” means any software licensed under an Open Source Initiative Approved License." |
| 02:08.28 | ieatlint | i can't say i've looked enough at wp7 to really say if i agree they're anti-FOSS there |
| 02:09.08 | javispedro | ieatlint: they mention the GPL.... and explicitly forbid it. |
| 02:09.22 | ieatlint | haha, nice |
| 02:09.40 | ieatlint | that's good, i was starting to miss the old MS |
| 02:09.47 | ieatlint | i've had to just concentrate my hate on apple |
| 02:10.53 | javispedro | in the wp7 store dev agreement: "Excluded Licenses include, but are not limited to the GPLv3 Licenses." |
| 02:11.43 | luke-jr | javispedro: DRM requires that |
| 02:11.56 | luke-jr | DRM and GPLv3 are fundamentally incompatible. |
| 02:12.10 | javispedro | the way it is implemented, also incompatible with the GPLv2 and v1. |
| 02:12.22 | ieatlint | ok, i should leave work |
| 02:15.32 | luke-jr | javispedro: yes |
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| 05:51.56 | z720 | hmm.. after try with open kernel from http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ N9 cannot back to live after reboot. 1st state N9 boot open kernel without issues, without installing anything just play with some apps and reboot. N9 die, now need to reflash. |
| 05:53.20 | dm8tbr | I think that aligns with what I heard about previous such experiments |
| 05:53.50 | dm8tbr | device MALFs after booting back into secure mode |
| 05:56.27 | z720 | hate to reflash coz need to reinstall everything. sigh.. |
| 05:57.56 | z720 | any idea how to autorun installation on needed apps for 1st boot? |
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| 06:02.29 | jonni | z720: did you got malf screen? |
| 06:02.53 | z720 | yes |
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| 06:03.06 | jonni | and whats there error message in malf? |
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| 06:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | yep, MALF is basically inevitable |
| 06:04.39 | jonni | malf should only happen if you edit files that are protected |
| 06:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 06:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | and esp when you flash openmode kernel it shouldn't malf on second boot |
| 06:05.51 | z720 | Device not working properly. Try updating the device software with Nokia Software Updater.... bla..blas.. |
| 06:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | blabla is NO FILE on N9 |
| 06:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | or doesn't MALF screen show the detailed error msg anymore? |
| 06:07.38 | jonni | z720: did you flash it or used "-l -b -k"? |
| 06:07.49 | z720 | only that Nokia msg |
| 06:07.57 | z720 | use -l -b -k |
| 06:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | usually it displays the content of /var/malf which is some filename |
| 06:09.30 | z720 | now the problem N9 fail to boot, how to get into /var/malf ? |
| 06:10.29 | jonni | z720: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state |
| 06:11.01 | jonni | you can remove malf by hand, and check the same file to see what caused it |
| 06:12.39 | z720 | jonni: let me try |
| 06:14.01 | z720 | I'm using linux mint, found errors in dmesg "[24287.740585] usb 1-1.2: new high speed USB device number 23 using ehci_hcd |
| 06:14.02 | z720 | [24302.797094] usb 1-1.2: device descriptor read/64, error -110" |
| 06:14.24 | z720 | N9 partition does not turn up |
| 06:15.08 | z720 | usb 1-1.2: device not accepting address 25, error -110 |
| 06:15.13 | jonni | maybe try different usb port or something |
| 06:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | blacklist ehci_hcd |
| 06:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.absolutelytech.com/2010/04/18/solved-unable-to-enumerate-usb-device-disabling-ehci_hcd/ |
| 06:22.16 | z720 | after added to blacklist.conf, dont need to reboot system right? |
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| 06:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | read the URL above |
| 06:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't work always, but it easy to test and quite likely to cure a certain class of problems |
| 06:28.12 | z720 | i think that idea is to disable usb2.0 and force it to usb1 right? and does not work on thinkpad W510. after unbind that USB port is disabled. |
| 06:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 06:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe ohci_hcd, or uhci_hcd? |
| 06:31.34 | z720 | thinkpad W510 too advance, let me try HP PC. :) |
| 06:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 06:32.27 | jonni | I have W510, sometimes usb ports just get screwed up, and I just switch the cable to different port :) |
| 06:32.49 | jonni | or reboot the machine :) |
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| 06:43.10 | z720 | same err with HP "device descriptor read/64, error -110" |
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| 07:54.23 | gri | what's the best way to execute a certain action every 24 hours but not on 00:00 (cron)? syncfw? something different? |
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| 07:56.17 | MohammadAG | gri, timed? |
| 07:56.38 | Sput | MohammadAG: re contacts, there's some cli tool installed on the n9 that imports vcs files |
| 07:56.40 | MohammadAG | or QTimer :P |
| 07:56.50 | Sput | vcsimporter or somesuch |
| 07:56.57 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 07:57.08 | MohammadAG | grumbles, ssh isn't installed |
| 07:57.17 | MohammadAG | I forgot beta2 turned off developer mode |
| 07:57.34 | Sput | the contacts app also can export to vcs, which is a nice way to backup contacts |
| 07:57.43 | Sput | "turned off developer mode"? |
| 07:57.45 | gri | MohammadAG: is there some documentation about timed? |
| 07:57.53 | Sput | ssh is still there :) |
| 07:58.05 | MohammadAG | Sput, developer mode is turned off by default |
| 07:58.13 | MohammadAG | whereas it was on on beta1 |
| 07:58.14 | Sput | ah, by default, yes |
| 07:58.26 | MohammadAG | gri, not sure, I'll google around |
| 07:58.48 | MohammadAG | hmm, timed is open o_O |
| 07:59.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, it's in meego |
| 08:02.23 | MohammadAG | gri, http://www.linuxcertif.com/man/3/libtimed/ |
| 08:05.02 | MohammadAG | holy shit |
| 08:05.10 | MohammadAG | it imported my contacts from my Nokia account |
| 08:05.12 | MohammadAG | +1 there |
| 08:06.00 | gri | MohammadAG: thank you |
| 08:06.15 | gri | MohammadAG: the nokia conacts also saved me once when I accidentally deleted all |
| 08:08.19 | MohammadAG | heh, developer-mode postinst or whatever triggers a reboot |
| 08:08.20 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 08:10.14 | gri | without a warning, that's quite cool :) |
| 08:11.01 | Kaadlajk_ | there is a warning |
| 08:17.04 | MohammadAG | uh |
| 08:17.08 | MohammadAG | wasn't the ssh password rootme? |
| 08:17.43 | secyritas | yep |
| 08:18.10 | MohammadAG | it doesn't work :/ |
| 08:18.33 | secyritas | hasnt work for me either after pr1.2 |
| 08:18.38 | secyritas | something changed... |
| 08:18.47 | MohammadAG | I'm on beta2, it should work fine |
| 08:19.01 | MohammadAG | hmm, /me checks ssh config |
| 08:19.39 | yipdw | the SDK connection application sets up a developer account with a six-character password, and binds sshd to either the wlan or USB interfaces |
| 08:20.09 | yipdw | at which point rootme is the password for devel-su |
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| 08:20.14 | yipdw | at least, that worked forme |
| 08:22.09 | MohammadAG | # Authentication: |
| 08:22.10 | MohammadAG | LoginGraceTime 120 |
| 08:22.10 | MohammadAG | PermitRootLogin no |
| 08:22.10 | MohammadAG | StrictModes yes |
| 08:22.10 | the-boss | MohammadAG: Error: "Authentication:" is not a valid command. |
| 08:22.22 | MohammadAG | oh nice, we have a bot |
| 08:22.25 | MohammadAG | # help |
| 08:22.25 | the-boss | MohammadAG: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 08:22.51 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yeah, that is ours. :) |
| 08:23.02 | MohammadAG | like a boss |
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| 08:41.11 | gabriel9 | Venemo> ping |
| 08:42.25 | djszapi | Venemo is not here ? |
| 08:44.35 | gabriel9 | hm i see now |
| 08:45.47 | gabriel9 | i didi not see that his post was in history |
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| 08:48.11 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: u are history |
| 08:48.31 | gabriel9 | ? |
| 08:49.15 | gri | venemo has left ~14 hours ago :) |
| 08:51.25 | gabriel9 | oh man |
| 08:51.45 | gabriel9 | i was not watching on time |
| 08:52.04 | gabriel9 | i'm all numb, coding last night till 4PM |
| 08:52.48 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade ping |
| 08:53.04 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: pong |
| 08:53.31 | ZogG_laptop | secyritas: 1.2? |
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| 09:08.17 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: sup |
| 09:08.32 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: last time u disapeared i wanted to ask you to add me too |
| 09:09.11 | ZogG_laptop | https://meego.com/users/zogg |
| 09:09.15 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Sure, will do. |
| 09:09.40 | ZogG_laptop | right now making my first app on meego |
| 09:09.49 | X-Fade | Done. |
| 09:09.56 | ZogG_laptop | going slowly but one day i'll be proud to upload it =) |
| 09:10.02 | X-Fade | Hehe :P |
| 09:10.03 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: thnks |
| 09:12.43 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1344114 |
| 09:16.34 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: btw when i switch to testing mode on site and press newest it throughs me back to stable apps =) |
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| 09:18.18 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Yes, that is not context aware yet. |
| 09:20.04 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: and about QA i think main question is missed. e.g. there is nice app. it works fine as far as i see... but it has random crashes, but there is nowhere in question releated question |
| 09:21.40 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Random crashes is not something you can really give a good weight to though. |
| 09:22.18 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, I don't support closed source when it's done by someone |
| 09:22.32 | MohammadAG | if you reversed something, release it, it's not your code to keep it closed |
| 09:22.48 | MohammadAG | or at least explain the protocol so others' work will be easier |
| 09:25.02 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i think QA should be integrated with author as well so he can improve if he really wants it in stable. as well as end user i wouldn't like crashing app in stable |
| 09:27.08 | X-Fade | Sure, that would be nice. |
| 09:35.45 | Sput | MohammadAG: you have to deploy the ssh keys via QtSDK in order to make passwordless login work |
| 09:36.49 | MohammadAG | Sput, done that |
| 09:37.01 | Sput | then it should just work |
| 09:37.05 | Sput | (user "developer") |
| 09:38.07 | Sput | it's probably a good thing too to not have a root-enabled sshd with a well-known password layng around :) |
| 09:38.19 | MohammadAG | it is working lol |
| 09:38.32 | MohammadAG | logging in as root is disabled in sshd config |
| 09:38.46 | Sput | yep |
| 09:38.47 | Sput | that's what changed in one of the firmware updates :) |
| 09:39.22 | ZogG_laptop | hmmm anyway root there lack of most common thing |
| 09:39.28 | ZogG_laptop | i can't even do chown |
| 09:40.53 | Sput | yeah, the root account is pretty limited |
| 09:41.07 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 09:41.29 | ZogG_laptop | it is, the first check was "sudo make me sandwich" |
| 09:49.42 | tomma | anyone have any idea how i can set usb0 to get ip using dhcp? |
| 09:50.03 | tomma | setting changing static from /etc/network/interfaces to dhcp didn't work |
| 09:52.31 | MohammadAG | k, sociality needs a lot of work |
| 09:52.37 | MohammadAG | mainly, needs threading(!!!) |
| 09:52.48 | MohammadAG | MTF widgets construct slower than Qt ones |
| 09:56.39 | ZogG_laptop | tomma on pc? |
| 09:56.50 | ZogG_laptop | if so read meamo wiki about it |
| 09:56.57 | ZogG_laptop | i think it has it there |
| 10:00.34 | rantom | Anyone else getting duplicate/triplacate alarms when using Calendar? |
| 10:01.19 | rantom | Not sure yet is it an issue with Google/CalDAV or with Harmattan itself |
| 10:01.52 | X-Fade | I've seen it at least. With a google synced calendar. |
| 10:03.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 10:03.53 | MohammadAG | or anyone familiar with the N9/50 |
| 10:04.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | at work |
| 10:04.16 | MohammadAG | does the screen generates interrupts when double tapping it, or is it simply kept on? |
| 10:04.20 | MohammadAG | it's a y/n |
| 10:04.22 | rantom | (Minor clarification: I get one alarm with two entries [which I find odd] for the upcoming event. Time is right, the two entries just don't make sense. After that I get another alarm when the event starts, which I've yet to find out why it's sent) |
| 10:04.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping me now+6h |
| 10:05.26 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Screen and capacitive driver are 2 diferent things I guess :) |
| 10:06.12 | tomma | ZogG_laptop, no harmattan device |
| 10:07.20 | tomma | i have dhcp server running and i want device to get ip for usb networking from it |
| 10:10.19 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: sdk -> usb -> setting -> use dhcp |
| 10:10.45 | tomma | that sets device to work as dhcp server |
| 10:11.07 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: no, you can't set harmattan to be dhcpd |
| 10:11.13 | ZogG_laptop | dhcp* |
| 10:11.32 | ZogG_laptop | as far as i know |
| 10:11.46 | ZogG_laptop | what do you want to do genaraly? |
| 10:11.52 | ZogG_laptop | generally* |
| 10:12.57 | tomma | what i want is that when i plug device to laptop, it asks ip from laptop using dhcp |
| 10:13.10 | tomma | not other way around as it is by default |
| 10:13.50 | tomma | it works if i do it manualy by using udhcpc |
| 10:17.24 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 10:18.07 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: have you changed config of network and have youu donne if-usb up? |
| 10:19.00 | MohammadAG | sigh, why are iOS's APIs better than MTFs |
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| 10:25.24 | X-Fade | Does anyone want to help out testing a few apps in Apps Testing? I would be good to get more apps in Apps proper. (And test out the promotions) |
| 10:25.48 | X-Fade | Please fill in the QA forms for the apps in: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/basecategories/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/ |
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| 10:34.51 | dm8tbr | will take a look |
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| 10:44.25 | matrixx | X-Fade: I updated description of my package, but the update didn't propage to apps.formeego.org, is this expected? |
| 10:45.11 | matrixx | I resubmitted the package to testing, and I can see in afo that the new version is in, but still with the old description |
| 10:45.12 | X-Fade | matrixx: Need to check. btw, it is better to always change your version number when you change something in your package. |
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| 10:46.05 | matrixx | X-Fade: I'll do that next time |
| 10:46.12 | X-Fade | matrixx: Due to that debian packages are never supposed to change, they get cached for a long time. This will give you all kinds of weird issues when you change a package and not increment. |
| 10:47.04 | matrixx | I didn't change anything in the package itself, just the description field in cobs |
| 10:47.38 | X-Fade | matrixx: Hmm yeah, that is an odd case :) |
| 10:48.05 | secyritas | ZogG_laptop: ah, 1.1 >_< |
| 10:48.07 | dm8tbr | whoa, the AFO app looks much cooler than NokiaStore :D |
| 10:48.28 | X-Fade | dm8tbr: of course, what did you expect? |
| 10:48.32 | matrixx | I needed to include a warning, cause changing theme might yield to corrupted IM emoticons |
| 10:50.01 | dm8tbr | just installed theme changer and the two themes |
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| 10:56.54 | matrixx | dm8tbr: notice the above warning if changing between themes |
| 11:27.02 | cos^ | does anyone else have problem that phone randomly asks for facebook u&p? |
| 11:27.15 | cos^ | might be linked to simultaneously using fb in browser |
| 11:27.16 | matrixx | cos^: I do |
| 11:27.26 | matrixx | cos^: same with twitter and some email accounts |
| 11:27.37 | cos^ | good. hope they fix it.. |
| 11:27.54 | matrixx | cos^: yeah, it's a known issue and already fixed |
| 11:29.18 | cos^ | ..and i guess nokia is releasing it sometimes next year with next SSU |
| 11:29.50 | cos^ | i wonder why they don't use normal package management to update apps without SSU |
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| 11:30.08 | Shadikka | I think mine has asked.. once or so |
| 11:30.15 | Shadikka | Didn't think of it, really *shrug* |
| 11:31.51 | Ans5i | different web sites might also have different policies when those are re-asked |
| 11:32.39 | cos^ | it would be horrible user experience if they would re-ask them at all on a phone |
| 11:32.57 | MohammadAG | matrixx, is that a bug? |
| 11:33.05 | MohammadAG | I remember changing themes in the widgets gallery once |
| 11:34.28 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, may I suggest having the screenshots stop at the next screen shot |
| 11:34.56 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: What, where? :) |
| 11:35.11 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, product view in the appsformeego app :p |
| 11:35.25 | MohammadAG | a fast swipe goes through all screenshots |
| 11:35.40 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, and a slow one doesn't? :) |
| 11:36.01 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: That is the whole idea of kinetic scrolling? |
| 11:36.29 | matrixx | cos^: I think it's this bug: http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=192 |
| 11:37.20 | MohammadAG | either that or don't make them loop |
| 11:37.20 | MohammadAG | how do I nuke the device update notification |
| 11:38.20 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ideally, screenshots shouldn't have kinetic scrolling |
| 11:38.33 | MohammadAG | in the gallery, when you swipe quickly it still takes to you to the next screenshot |
| 11:38.39 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I think we got other things to worry about, really :) |
| 11:38.49 | MohammadAG | or in the main view, swiping takes you to the next view, doesn't loop through all 3 views :) |
| 11:38.53 | MohammadAG | anyway, yeah, minor details |
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| 11:39.08 | MohammadAG | besides that it seems to work well |
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| 11:39.32 | X-Fade | I'd rather get commenting, rating and community QA implemented in the app first. |
| 11:39.48 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, a tick next to installed apps would also be helpful when the software catalogue gets large |
| 11:40.00 | cos^ | matrixx: yep, that's it. great. |
| 11:40.33 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You mean show installed status? |
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| 11:43.11 | MohammadAG | don't you have an API for that? |
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| 11:46.22 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yes |
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| 11:46.58 | djszapi | Hi! Is there such a list for Android somewhere, if anybody knows ? http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9%26N950_security_policy I would like to make a comparison what hackers can do on Harmattan in comparison with that. |
| 11:47.14 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: The app keeps a database locally with installed status. |
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| 11:47.42 | djszapi | snowpong: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9%26N950_security_policy -> Have you seen such a list for Android ? |
| 11:47.42 | matrixx | MohammadAG: yeah, I think it's a bug in themedaemon, need to investigate a bit more |
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| 11:49.52 | snowpong | djszapi: you mean for apps, or for developers hacking on a non rooted device or? |
| 11:50.33 | djszapi | snowpong: I guess that page expresses they would like to root the device. |
| 11:52.51 | snowpong | djszapi: http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html this is the list of android permissions an app can ask for at least |
| 11:52.59 | djszapi | snowpong: so they probably complain about that, it is not N900 |
| 11:53.08 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, but the app doesn't show it |
| 11:53.43 | djszapi | snowpong: Can I replace system components ? |
| 11:54.35 | snowpong | djszapi: no wouldn't think so on a non-rooted device, replacing or overwriting them are probably not supported |
| 11:55.17 | snowpong | djszapi: but the code for ICS is out there, and I believe people have rebuilt it and flashed their own versions |
| 11:55.38 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Only when you are in the details page. |
| 11:55.49 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Not in the listing though,. |
| 11:56.02 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yeah, that's what I meant |
| 11:56.47 | snowpong | djszapi: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1363593 <- like these people seem to do |
| 11:57.26 | djszapi | snowpong: warranty void then ? |
| 11:57.56 | snowpong | djszapi: yes |
| 11:58.10 | javispedro | woah |
| 11:58.16 | javispedro | sending a package to finland = ~100 |
| 11:58.28 | Stskeeps | javispedro: what, are you mailbombing? |
| 11:58.33 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:58.51 | w00t | explosives cost extra |
| 11:59.04 | MohammadAG | cost me 50 bucks to ship, two days shipping |
| 11:59.06 | Stskeeps | w00t: i should be worried that i thought the same thing.. |
| 11:59.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG, which company? |
| 11:59.34 | MohammadAG | DHL |
| 11:59.36 | javispedro | Stskeeps, not unless the battery decides to explode |
| 11:59.39 | w00t | Stskeeps: or we just admit we're both battlescarred |
| 11:59.43 | w00t | :P |
| 11:59.45 | djszapi | snowpong: do they detect the warranty void if you reflash the stock kernel again ? |
| 11:59.57 | MohammadAG | djszapi, android? |
| 12:00.03 | MohammadAG | android has a kernel flash counter |
| 12:00.05 | snowpong | djszapi: probably not, but would you have access to it? |
| 12:00.17 | MohammadAG | yes, you can unpack the stock image to get the kernel |
| 12:00.29 | MohammadAG | the Galaxy SII shows a ! icon at bootup with a custom kernel |
| 12:00.39 | snowpong | djszapi: if you just play "dumb" at the service center I don't think they'd notice or care :) |
| 12:00.43 | MohammadAG | a way around it is to flash the custom kernel, then the stock one, then flash the custom one in userland |
| 12:00.58 | MohammadAG | but that increases flash count to 3 |
| 12:01.06 | MohammadAG | you can buy a jig off ebay that resets that counter though |
| 12:01.18 | snowpong | MohammadAG: there is a flash count they can read? didn't know that |
| 12:01.27 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 12:02.29 | djszapi | I thought the simplest solution is a write-only chip |
| 12:02.37 | djszapi | but probably not that cheap solution :P |
| 12:03.16 | javispedro | DHL also wants to charge me 100euro |
| 12:03.23 | MohammadAG | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1291215 |
| 12:03.30 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what about Israel? |
| 12:03.48 | MohammadAG | djszapi, a simpler solution is not to give a fuck |
| 12:03.50 | javispedro | MohammadAG, I actually tried out of curiosity: "price can not be calculated." |
| 12:04.02 | MohammadAG | LMFAO |
| 12:04.07 | javispedro | I guess if that is an euphemism for "astronomical" |
| 12:04.20 | javispedro | s/if// |
| 12:06.28 | X-Fade | javispedro: Can't you just use your local post service? |
| 12:06.39 | javispedro | 60eur. |
| 12:06.47 | X-Fade | javispedro: Crazy buggers :) |
| 12:07.13 | X-Fade | javispedro: They'd charge me about 12 eur for that. |
| 12:07.30 | javispedro | There must be some kind of gravity well between me and Finland |
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| 12:08.01 | X-Fade | javispedro: Warranty return or what? |
| 12:08.08 | javispedro | yep |
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| 12:09.43 | javispedro | googles around |
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| 12:11.00 | MohammadAG | javispedro, |
| 12:11.20 | X-Fade | javispedro: Maybe, you can send it to a local branch? |
| 12:11.23 | MohammadAG | you familiar with all MTF classes? |
| 12:13.25 | djszapi | MohammadAG: flash counter is not enough unless the customer service zeroes that out after a reflash. |
| 12:14.11 | djszapi | and even in that case, it is not enough if there is such an application zeroing the flash counter. |
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| 12:14.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG, nope :) |
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| 12:17.19 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I need something like http://adeem.me/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/UITableView/AddDeleteReorderUITableView/Picture%203.png |
| 12:17.21 | MohammadAG | djszapi, ^ |
| 12:17.26 | djszapi | snowpong: mmm, it does not use general linux credentials and capabilities ? |
| 12:17.33 | MohammadAG | a list with a draggable handle to rearrange cells |
| 12:18.28 | Termana | MohammadAG, I hear you can pick something like that up for about $800 |
| 12:19.05 | MohammadAG | Termana, you ever tried to sing They see me trollin |
| 12:20.37 | MohammadAG | also javispedro is the lockscreen part of protected aegis files? |
| 12:20.41 | MohammadAG | I need music controls on the lockscreen and afaik the new FW has it |
| 12:22.56 | MohammadAG | I'm so awesome |
| 12:23.11 | MohammadAG | mcompositor crashed so I had to kill it, but the keyboard won't show, but it still worked |
| 12:23.18 | MohammadAG | so I typed on an invisible onscreen keyboard |
| 12:23.23 | snowpong | djszapi: no |
| 12:23.39 | javispedro | MohammadAG, yes, I'd think so |
| 12:23.43 | djszapi | snowpong: interesting, so they wrapped it. That is an interesting approach. |
| 12:23.52 | MohammadAG | javispedro, djszapi and the cells? |
| 12:23.54 | frals | "crashed so i had to kill it"... how does smth crash without dying? |
| 12:24.12 | MohammadAG | frals, high CPU usage, it didn't show the keyboard/render windows well |
| 12:24.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: 5 min |
| 12:24.52 | frals | doesnt sounds like a crash ;) |
| 12:24.58 | djszapi | frals: for instance if they caught the exception and run a process with some system command in the background :P |
| 12:25.14 | snowpong | djszapi: well, most apps for android are written in java/dalvik - so no wonder they wrapped it |
| 12:25.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ..then I go back to OC tasks ;-D |
| 12:25.53 | MohammadAG | frals, same question goes for you :P |
| 12:25.54 | djszapi | snowpong: one reason I could mention for dropping the general linux credentials and capabilities, if they fine tune them more, and they say it is not granular enough for instnce. |
| 12:25.57 | MohammadAG | I need something like http://adeem.me/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/UITableView/AddDeleteReorderUITableView/Picture%203.png |
| 12:27.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: 4min availability left |
| 12:27.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, does the screen generate double tap interrupts or is it simply not disabled? |
| 12:28.25 | javispedro | isn't the accelerometer the one doing the double tap thing |
| 12:28.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I dunno for sure but think the touch controller detects a 'gesture' |
| 12:28.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 12:28.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | it could do |
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| 12:29.05 | MohammadAG | javispedro, no |
| 12:29.09 | MohammadAG | double tap the front camera |
| 12:29.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | but unlock dt is sensed by ts |
| 12:29.32 | MohammadAG | so it's something that can't be done on the N900 right? |
| 12:29.38 | MohammadAG | at the same technical level |
| 12:29.38 | Stskeeps | sure it's not the accelerometer instead? |
| 12:29.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | and I think by ts-controller |
| 12:29.46 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, very sure |
| 12:29.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 12:29.57 | Stskeeps | mmk |
| 12:30.04 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, double tap the N950's bezel |
| 12:30.11 | MohammadAG | it won't unlock |
| 12:30.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | doubletap screen with pencil |
| 12:30.35 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Try this. Lock screen. Press with one finger hard(ish) on middle of screen while phone is on table. Then use another finger to tap twice on the screen. |
| 12:31.22 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You'll then notice that it needs really hard tapping for it to wake up :) |
| 12:31.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | this proves what? |
| 12:32.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk bbl - 4min expired |
| 12:32.21 | X-Fade | THat it is accel based? |
| 12:32.41 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, surely you meant isn't |
| 12:33.18 | javispedro | concurs with X-Fade's observation |
| 12:33.24 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It is, because I can't then wake up the phone with light tapping. But can with very hard. |
| 12:33.26 | javispedro | This happened to me several times |
| 12:33.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | check your IRQs |
| 12:34.04 | MohammadAG | you don't have to press hard |
| 12:34.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | will tell |
| 12:34.10 | javispedro | Another observation is that it is easier to unlock with the device on the hand than with the device on a table |
| 12:34.15 | MohammadAG | you're just using multitouch, which doesn't work in this case |
| 12:34.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: body gnd'ed |
| 12:34.39 | MohammadAG | the accelerometer exists in the device |
| 12:34.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk |
| 12:34.43 | MohammadAG | not under the screen |
| 12:34.43 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, ah, good point |
| 12:34.54 | MohammadAG | otherwise why does tapping the bezel not unlock the device? |
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| 12:35.18 | MohammadAG | or even better |
| 12:35.37 | MohammadAG | get a hammer and double smash |
| 12:35.38 | MohammadAG | it won't unlock |
| 12:35.53 | javispedro | it will also fix my dead pixels |
| 12:36.02 | MohammadAG | gives me ideas if I get that second N950... |
| 12:36.19 | javispedro | finally, someone shipping this thing for ~30eur |
| 12:36.43 | MohammadAG | can that someone calculate shipping to israel? |
| 12:36.51 | javispedro | nah, it's a local company |
| 12:36.57 | javispedro | ah, shipping TO |
| 12:37.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG, same price as to finland |
| 12:38.01 | MohammadAG | 30? |
| 12:38.12 | djszapi | javispedro: what would you like to ship ? |
| 12:38.23 | MohammadAG | does the fine print include "Package may be held in customs indefinitely"? |
| 12:38.54 | javispedro | djszapi, the n950 |
| 12:39.25 | javispedro | djszapi, for repairs only, I still didn't give up on aegis =) |
| 12:40.18 | djszapi | javispedro: heh |
| 12:44.06 | djszapi | heh, android has a "Brick" credential for requesting =) |
| 12:45.33 | javispedro | hah |
| 12:52.53 | djszapi | snowpong: are there android security experts on android-dev for helping ? It would be nice to have a discusssion with them at some point =) |
| 12:58.10 | MohammadAG | I'm interested in what would come out of the discussion |
| 13:00.30 | djszapi | better understanding of their security architecture and implementation. |
| 13:02.06 | snowpong | djszapi: you mean qt for android, or just android? |
| 13:03.52 | djszapi | snowpong: the security in general which also takes effect on qt applications. |
| 13:06.17 | snowpong | djszapi: not sure, I'm sure you'd get some good answers though, that or some less official modding mailinglists |
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| 13:37.58 | djszapi | snowpong: can you flash your device also on Mac and Linux ? Are there software updaters like that on those operating systems ? |
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| 13:40.54 | ZogG_N9 | hmm |
| 13:41.40 | ZogG_N9 | i build package for n9, installed it, where it goes? as icon doesnt start it |
| 13:41.54 | djszapi | icon does not start, huh ? What do you mean ? |
| 13:42.02 | djszapi | red icon on the applauncher screen or what ? |
| 13:42.25 | ZogG_N9 | normal one |
| 13:42.45 | ZogG_N9 | qt synbol as i choosed at qtxreator |
| 13:43.11 | ZogG_N9 | if i build it to harmattan target it starts on phone |
| 13:43.32 | ZogG_N9 | now a build package and no go |
| 13:43.33 | djszapi | http://www.learnfizz.com/happyhenry/first-lets-fire-all-the-managers---harvard-business-review heh |
| 13:43.53 | ZogG_N9 | a=i |
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| 13:45.39 | ZogG_N9 | ? |
| 13:46.34 | ZogG_N9 | btw packages i build from creator are still in /opt even after uninstall |
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| 13:47.12 | djszapi | did you make a purge uninstall ? |
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| 13:53.25 | snowpong | djszapi: it seems you can flash it from your phone completely http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/08/complete-guide-how-to-flash-a-custom-rom-to-your-android-phone-with-rom-manager-full-backup-restore/ |
| 13:53.36 | ZogG_N9 | nope just with uninstall from icon |
| 13:53.59 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.31 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you should always debug it, right ? :) So try from cli for verification... |
| 13:58.10 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yeah but where is it in cli? i found /opt/my-app but that's old one |
| 13:58.48 | ZogG_laptop | maybe my desktop file is broken? should it create one properly by itself> |
| 13:59.10 | ZogG_laptop | and if not where i need to set it right? |
| 13:59.20 | ZogG_laptop | as well as where i can change icon? |
| 14:00.04 | djszapi | so is there an app in Ovi for rooting the phone ? :D |
| 14:00.26 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: after the installation, try: dpkg -P your_package |
| 14:05.24 | djszapi | but first make sure, the installation went fine from command line. |
| 14:09.21 | ZogG_laptop | before that i changed icon maunally |
| 14:09.32 | ZogG_laptop | how do i add it to be installed? |
| 14:10.33 | djszapi | tbh, I do not understand what you do :) |
| 14:12.30 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 14:12.39 | MohammadAG | my expensive AKG headphones don't work on the N950 |
| 14:12.46 | MohammadAG | fucking apple plug |
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| 14:14.00 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i made app with qtcreator |
| 14:14.15 | ZogG_laptop | but qtcreator is stupd |
| 14:14.30 | djszapi | I told ya to remove qtcreator from your workflow :P |
| 14:15.06 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: letme start slowly, as i don't know qt or qml the autocomplete is good for me |
| 14:15.18 | ZogG_laptop | and simulator |
| 14:15.56 | ZogG_laptop | fuck now i get error on that #ifdef HARMATTAN_BOOSTER |
| 14:15.57 | ZogG_laptop | #include <MDeclarativeCache> |
| 14:15.57 | ZogG_laptop | #endif |
| 14:15.57 | the-boss | ZogG_laptop: Error: "include" is not a valid command. |
| 14:15.59 | the-boss | ZogG_laptop: Error: "endif" is not a valid command. |
| 14:16.00 | jonni | MohammadAG: atleast I bought the connectivity kit for my AKG's it had nokia plug too. |
| 14:16.03 | ZogG_laptop | for no reason |
| 14:16.17 | MohammadAG | jonni, huh? |
| 14:16.43 | MohammadAG | jonni, these are the ones I have http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-muEV5bgVmMc/Ttix4R6Fe6I/AAAAAAAABME/fDWPrHvgu2g/s640/P1030916.JPG |
| 14:17.18 | MohammadAG | <ZogG_laptop> but qtcreator is stupd |
| 14:17.25 | MohammadAG | blame the dev, not the tool |
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| 14:20.48 | gri | ZogG_laptop, djszapi: for me qtcreator works well :) |
| 14:21.35 | jonni | ah, I have AKG K480 NC, so I got the following http://uk.akg.com/product-detail-2821/ha-450.html for connecting it to my phone |
| 14:21.45 | djszapi | gri: because you never tried cmake for instance. |
| 14:22.10 | gri | djszapi: sure but if you use qmake it works as you wish |
| 14:22.19 | djszapi | does not have any ideas how to development something using cmake for Symbian |
| 14:22.31 | djszapi | develop* |
| 14:23.02 | djszapi | gri: I think qmake is the worst part of Qt ever :P |
| 14:23.22 | djszapi | gri: it would not scale for my project at all. It would be a pain to get qmake work for that. |
| 14:23.37 | gri | for my needs it works perfectly |
| 14:23.54 | gri | the company I worked switched to qmake since the old system was much more crappy |
| 14:23.59 | djszapi | and scratchbox works for everything, so that is why I do not use a partially working system :) |
| 14:24.00 | gri | so for me it's an improvement :) |
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| 14:32.07 | ZogG_laptop | gri: how do u add your own icon? |
| 14:32.21 | gri | ZogG_laptop: the package icon or the launcher one? |
| 14:32.31 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: the reason it didn't start i had to change desktop exec =\ |
| 14:32.43 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: you need to use absolute paths |
| 14:32.48 | ZogG_laptop | gri: launcher |
| 14:33.12 | djszapi | exec ? |
| 14:33.21 | gri | ZogG_laptop: like djszapi said, Icon=/some/relative/path in your .desktop file |
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| 14:33.29 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it used Exec=/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/workIN/bin/workIN |
| 14:33.43 | gri | or a file name but then you icon must be inside the theme dir and the phone needs a reboot - not recommended |
| 14:33.49 | ZogG_laptop | gri: yeah but how do i install icon with deb? |
| 14:33.59 | gri | ZogG_laptop: install steps? |
| 14:34.01 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: debian/*-data.install |
| 14:34.23 | djszapi | or just along with the binary's package, as in: debian/yourpackage.install |
| 14:34.43 | gri | ZogG_laptop: http://pastebin.com/QQq9mRGW |
| 14:34.51 | gri | like you install anything else with qmake |
| 14:35.23 | ZogG_laptop | i never used qmake |
| 14:35.39 | gri | ok then I have no idea :) |
| 14:36.08 | ZogG_laptop | gri i mean i bet qtcretor use it |
| 14:36.16 | ZogG_laptop | but i don't know how to use it manually |
| 14:36.31 | ZogG_laptop | so i can add those to myapp.pro and it would be used? |
| 14:36.37 | gri | yes |
| 14:36.55 | gri | if you change the file names and maybe the paths fitting to your project |
| 14:37.52 | ZogG_laptop | shouldn't i use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps/ for iconpath? |
| 14:37.59 | gri | yes, you should use this |
| 14:38.07 | gri | I need the icons in theme dir for some other reason |
| 14:38.10 | djszapi | not neccesarily. |
| 14:38.17 | djszapi | many apps use 64x64 |
| 14:40.21 | gri | you can also change to files property to a wildcard like "qmlfiles.files = $$files(*.qml)" |
| 14:44.37 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.41 | ZogG_laptop | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3113 Dec 9 2011 imgur80.png |
| 14:50.23 | gri | ZogG_laptop: So that's working? or not the expected result? :) |
| 14:53.47 | djszapi | snowpong: you can get those credentials you sent in the link only from android market or already on your phone ? |
| 14:53.50 | ZogG_laptop | knope |
| 14:54.05 | ZogG_laptop | Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps/imgrup80.png |
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| 14:54.31 | gri | ZogG_laptop: You do know that there's a typo in the Icon= line? |
| 14:55.17 | ZogG_laptop | Icon=/usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps/imgrup80.pnggri obv no, where? |
| 14:55.26 | gri | imgrup << |
| 14:55.31 | ZogG_laptop | admn pasted by mistake |
| 14:56.07 | ZogG_laptop | right |
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| 15:02.13 | snowpong | djszapi: it doesn't matter if the app came from the market or you installed it via usb locally of from some other url directly - but android market apps are the only installable ones by default on a phone, you have to explicitly allow non-market apps to be installed |
| 15:05.02 | djszapi | snowpong: there is some developer mode there, or you can be granted by those credentials if you allow the non-market apps to be installed ? |
| 15:05.30 | ZogG_laptop | gri thanks worked flawless =) |
| 15:05.56 | ZogG_laptop | now i need to reslove one think with toolbar and beta of beta of alpha is ready =) |
| 15:16.45 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: and then you can drop qtcreator :) |
| 15:23.56 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: lowly slowly |
| 15:24.09 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i started to do the project in vim actually |
| 15:25.08 | MohammadAG | djszapi, it's a toggle in settings |
| 15:25.10 | MohammadAG | much like the N9 |
| 15:25.13 | ZogG_laptop | if i have text element in qml that is long sentense how do i do that it automaticly align words |
| 15:25.35 | MohammadAG | "Allow installation on non-Market applications" |
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| 15:26.10 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I find aegis less useful that Qt Creator, so that probably has to be dropped first |
| 15:30.21 | javispedro | waves to his n950 |
| 15:30.41 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 15:31.01 | Piru | wait. I'm fairly sure I instaled my own app while that option wasn't enabled |
| 15:31.10 | Piru | I did use dpkg -i though |
| 15:31.23 | javispedro | you had dev mode enabled |
| 15:31.25 | ZogG_laptop | ok i have text area, but hoow do i set color than? |
| 15:31.31 | javispedro | Piru: that option only changes behaviour of the UI |
| 15:31.33 | Piru | oh right. that explains it |
| 15:39.14 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I will paint you an aegis fan t-shirt ;) ;) |
| 15:41.14 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I prefer printed t-shirts :P |
| 15:41.45 | leinir | finger-painted, and then shrunk before shipped out, so it doesn't fit MohammadAG - much like aegis itself, hmm! ;) |
| 15:41.53 | leinir | runs off ;) |
| 15:42.00 | leinir | (to make tea, in fact ;) ) |
| 15:42.32 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 15:43.37 | djszapi | MohammadAG: printed is come on ... not my work :) |
| 15:45.36 | djszapi | btw, of course you can get the printed aegis fan t-shirt too :) |
| 15:47.07 | djszapi | MohammadAG: so you dislike the android secfw too ? |
| 15:48.17 | MohammadAG | djszapi, one of the reasons I hate android |
| 15:48.19 | MohammadAG | before I even knew about Aegis |
| 15:48.21 | MohammadAG | Harmattan/MeeGo weren't announced |
| 15:48.23 | MohammadAG | I tried dmesg on android phone |
| 15:48.25 | MohammadAG | it returned Operation not permitteed |
| 15:48.44 | MohammadAG | but at least, it allows me to replace system APKs and edit config files without MALFing |
| 15:48.59 | djszapi | what is APK ? |
| 15:49.21 | MohammadAG | think rpm but worse :P |
| 15:49.29 | MohammadAG | Android PacKage |
| 15:49.41 | djszapi | aye, you cannot do that on android either |
| 15:49.47 | MohammadAG | you can |
| 15:49.49 | djszapi | that was mentioned above when I asked. |
| 15:49.55 | MohammadAG | I have a Galaxy SII |
| 15:49.57 | javispedro | once jailbroken I guess |
| 15:50.00 | MohammadAG | no |
| 15:50.14 | MohammadAG | APKs can be installed from anywhere when you toggle the err, toggle, in settings |
| 15:50.17 | djszapi | MohammadAG: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/latest.log.html#t2011-12-09T13:53:43 |
| 15:50.27 | MohammadAG | Piracy on Android for example doesn't require any sort of rooting |
| 15:50.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: installing APKs from anywhere is one thing, allowing you to replace system ones is another thing |
| 15:50.57 | MohammadAG | I'm fairly sure I replaced my Phone.apk... |
| 15:51.07 | javispedro | the only mobile platform that doesn't allow you to install "packages from anywhere" at this point is ... iOS. |
| 15:51.40 | javispedro | even WP7, after you pay that Chevron Tax thing, allows you to do so. |
| 15:51.53 | MohammadAG | and the only platform that has APIs but doesn't allow you to use them is... Harmattan |
| 15:52.15 | javispedro | s/has APIs/has documented APIs/ ;) |
| 15:52.42 | djszapi | yeah, but iOS and Android are not well-knownly dead |
| 15:52.49 | javispedro | that might also be the case in WP7, as the WinCE APIs are documented but forbidden |
| 15:53.04 | djszapi | MohammadAG: so the above answer was wrong ? |
| 15:53.10 | djszapi | that I got ? |
| 15:53.39 | djszapi | still wonders what the use case is for the "Brick" credential =) |
| 15:53.49 | javispedro | what would be jailbreaking for if you could replace system components at your pleasure? |
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| 15:58.37 | djszapi | so which is the most undocumented API on Harmattan ? I vote for accounts for instance. |
| 15:59.40 | javispedro | heh, that one is heavily undocumented indeed. |
| 16:00.33 | javispedro | I also think that policy manager could get some N9-specific docs |
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| 16:01.36 | djszapi | The android security does not defend against high-rate calls either. That is not a wonder for me though. Interestingly enough, they have separate credentials for writing and sending s.m.s. messages. |
| 16:06.03 | javispedro | I still think that the N9 aegis policy is very coarse grained |
| 16:07.49 | djszapi | definitely, and it is annoying because It would not have been the biggest part of the job to make it nice. Imho, just a very little attention from app and platform devs. |
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| 16:22.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: so you found out about who's sensing doubletap? |
| 16:23.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 16:23.21 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: aw, gee |
| 16:40.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nothing to find out, it's the screen |
| 16:41.06 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I'm almost sure I did replace the apk yes |
| 16:41.10 | MohammadAG | I could be wrong though |
| 16:41.41 | djszapi | I have the same question then as javispedro asked. |
| 16:43.59 | djszapi | gri: have you tried to write a plain password plugin based accounts-ui plugin ? |
| 16:44.51 | gri | djszapi: I did write my own, did not even try libaccounts-ui |
| 16:46.50 | gri | but plain password based should be realizable with the .provider xml only |
| 16:47.15 | djszapi | gri: it does not seem so to me from the "Other mails" plugin. |
| 16:47.58 | djszapi | at least they do some hackery over there. Also, I would probably as many different authentications as many provider files, I think. |
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| 16:52.17 | kkito | hello |
| 16:53.10 | kkito | all my emoticons are screwed uo after installing themechanger? Anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 17:02.05 | gri | djszapi: what exactly do you try? Do you use SignOn::Identity directly? |
| 17:02.42 | djszapi | I am not trying anything. I do not still understand how the existing plugins work |
| 17:02.49 | djszapi | but they for surely do not just use the provider files. |
| 17:03.17 | gri | well saving a password is quite simple |
| 17:04.21 | gri | you create an Accounts::Account* instance, create an SignOn::Identity* instance, fill that instance with information like the username, password and store the credentials which then get an id, the id is stored in the account instance - that's all |
| 17:04.46 | gri | if you want to get them back, you have to create a session on Identity* |
| 17:05.55 | djszapi | that does not seem to be what others do |
| 17:06.02 | gri | sure it is |
| 17:06.03 | gri | https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qmlplugin/accountwrapper.cpp#line57 |
| 17:06.06 | gri | that's my code |
| 17:06.15 | djszapi | "others" as in builtin plugins |
| 17:06.20 | gri | and I took about the same code from libaccounts-ui |
| 17:06.46 | djszapi | libaccounts-ui is not a libaccounts-ui plugin |
| 17:06.57 | gri | it is |
| 17:07.03 | gri | however it's named correctly |
| 17:07.52 | djszapi | actually, you plugin is even more difficult than needed. |
| 17:08.06 | djszapi | no, the builtin plugins are not open source as far as I know. |
| 17:08.14 | djszapi | at least most of them. |
| 17:08.29 | gri | in theory the plugins just inheric the GenericAccountSetupContext of libaccounts-ui |
| 17:08.32 | gri | inherit |
| 17:08.43 | gri | and add custom storing functions |
| 17:09.13 | djszapi | "just" ? |
| 17:09.18 | kkito | ok, ive found how to fix the emoticons, it was problem with .emoticonthemecache |
| 17:09.23 | djszapi | That is the whole work which can be from X lines to 1000000 :) |
| 17:09.37 | gri | djszapi: Nono :) |
| 17:09.55 | gri | djszapi: There's a function which reads some parts out of the xml |
| 17:10.09 | djszapi | as I said previously, the authentication stuff is almost all the work along with the ui widgets |
| 17:10.12 | gri | you just have to add your private things like tokens no one should see |
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| 17:10.44 | djszapi | and depending on the difficult it can be from X lines to 100000000 |
| 17:11.00 | gri | you asked for password plugins |
| 17:11.25 | djszapi | yes, and it is not providers file only. |
| 17:11.27 | gri | the other ones could work the same but might be more code |
| 17:11.34 | djszapi | this is not how the builtin plugins work |
| 17:11.54 | djszapi | it is way much more work than that. |
| 17:11.58 | gri | you can either define your identity in the .provider file OR in the code |
| 17:12.12 | djszapi | nvm |
| 17:12.13 | gri | normal plugins seem to not use the .provider file |
| 17:12.20 | gri | or builtin |
| 17:12.41 | djszapi | of course they do |
| 17:13.01 | MohammadAG | so, a playlist needs MafwPlaylist and another class |
| 17:13.06 | MohammadAG | but I want to reorganize the list ffs |
| 17:13.15 | kkito | djszapi, I dpnt know how the native plugins are done, but no one works properly |
| 17:13.21 | MohammadAG | MTF isn't that rich compared with Qt |
| 17:13.23 | gri | djszapi: they use the file but not the account-setup tag and others |
| 17:13.39 | MohammadAG | gri, they do |
| 17:13.43 | djszapi | MohammadAG: I should finalize my player on top of QtOpenAL :P |
| 17:13.43 | MohammadAG | at least skype does |
| 17:13.57 | MohammadAG | I don't want to use anything other than Mafw :P |
| 17:14.11 | MohammadAG | that sucked on Fremantle, that's why I rewrote Nokia's player |
| 17:14.21 | MohammadAG | it ended up better than there's |
| 17:14.28 | MohammadAG | their's* |
| 17:14.32 | djszapi | is it your wife or why not try something else ? :) |
| 17:14.33 | MohammadAG | theirs ffs |
| 17:14.50 | MohammadAG | cause the policy system made it suck |
| 17:15.15 | MohammadAG | djszapi, I fear at some point I'll rewrite Harmattan's player |
| 17:15.17 | MohammadAG | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156 |
| 17:15.17 | djszapi | ohh btw, we need to remove the video credential from unknown |
| 17:15.43 | MohammadAG | WHAT THE FUCK?! |
| 17:16.00 | MohammadAG | Changelog: |
| 17:16.14 | MohammadAG | - To protect users from adult films, we removed the media capabilities of your device |
| 17:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 17:16.35 | tomma | haha |
| 17:16.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, <djszapi> ohh btw, we need to remove the video credential from unknown |
| 17:16.59 | djszapi | MohammadAG: ahh so you wrote a fancy post for the votes :P |
| 17:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 17:17.11 | MohammadAG | djszapi, huh |
| 17:17.31 | MohammadAG | djszapi, no, I wrote this http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer |
| 17:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | never give power to tose who ask for it |
| 17:17.56 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: gimme power, gimme op :D |
| 17:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | as they most likely will abuse any power granted to them, tho compensate whatever complexes |
| 17:18.20 | djszapi | MohammadAG: Yeah, I know ;) |
| 17:18.39 | MohammadAG | regardless, Harmattan's players offered upgrades and regressions |
| 17:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | applies esp for platsec |
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| 19:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | webOS going open source, eh? |
| 19:08.08 | Stskeeps | seems so |
| 19:08.12 | Stskeeps | what it means is a good question |
| 19:08.42 | GeneralAntilles | The cynical part of me says "Doomed to irrelevancy and a slow death." |
| 19:09.08 | Stskeeps | probably |
| 19:09.21 | GeneralAntilles | Really hard to drum up real interest without slick devices. |
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| 19:10.56 | ajalkane | Cool |
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| 19:11.57 | ajalkane | That's the only decent outcome for an already doomed OS |
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| 19:18.18 | yipdw | I wonder exactly what they're opening |
| 19:18.22 | yipdw | guess we'll find out |
| 19:18.53 | yipdw | all I see in their press release is "underlying code", which is a pretty vague category |
| 19:19.19 | ajalkane | underlying code? Okay, this could be bullshit then. "Here's the Linux kernel sources we're using, have fun!" |
| 19:19.37 | yipdw | yeah, I have no idea what it means; hopefully it includes the interesting bits like userspace |
| 19:20.04 | ajalkane | it could be something like Harmattan, or even worse. |
| 19:20.08 | yipdw | I also wonder what Peter Skillman thinks of this, as IIRC he had a big hand in Harmattan and WebOS' designs |
| 19:20.19 | yipdw | two of your major projects abandoned and tossed aside :P |
| 19:20.30 | ajalkane | I think he's pretty pissed off. |
| 19:21.05 | Stskeeps | at the end of the day, he did probably earn a lot of money |
| 19:21.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:21.11 | ajalkane | I don't think he cares one way or the other about open source, but doing all that work and seeing it dumped... must be annoying. |
| 19:21.23 | yipdw | yeah |
| 19:21.40 | ajalkane | yeah, as pissed off as he may be, I'd like to switch places. I'm pissed off too, but without the money! |
| 19:22.24 | yipdw | I just see a lot of WebOS in Harmattan's design and it seems like it's the idea that just keeps getting killed |
| 19:22.31 | yipdw | maybe he'll try a third time and that'll be the charm |
| 19:22.45 | ajalkane | The N9 user interface ideas will live on with Meltemi |
| 19:23.08 | yipdw | I've heard about that, but nothing concrete |
| 19:23.12 | yipdw | did I miss some code drop? |
| 19:23.36 | ajalkane | No, you'll see it in the fall of 2012 probably. Not the code drop, but the results. |
| 19:23.43 | yipdw | ahh |
| 19:25.12 | javispedro | lol |
| 19:25.28 | javispedro | so I suggested the lecturer at the webos show in mwc 2011 they should opensource enyo |
| 19:25.34 | javispedro | and now they are opensourcing enyo? |
| 19:25.37 | Stskeeps | seems so |
| 19:25.52 | javispedro | need to try my convincing suggestive powers on nokians... |
| 19:25.55 | ajalkane | you should get some consulting fee |
| 19:26.18 | yipdw | if you can get them to open up some of the account plugins, that'd be fantastic |
| 19:26.28 | javispedro | yipdw: half of them are libpurple |
| 19:26.41 | djszapi | not entirely. |
| 19:26.48 | javispedro | "half of them" ;P |
| 19:27.02 | djszapi | not entirely the half of them |
| 19:27.06 | yipdw | javispedro: I know a lot of them just talk to telepathy, but the structure is something that still eludes me |
| 19:27.16 | javispedro | not telepathy, gaim |
| 19:27.23 | yipdw | er |
| 19:27.24 | yipdw | yeah |
| 19:27.24 | javispedro | or pidgin or whatever is called these days |
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| 19:27.27 | ZogG_laptop | hmm can someone tip example on explaine quickest way to load file or better is image |
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| 19:27.40 | yipdw | though, gri's account plugins look like a good thing to study |
| 19:27.50 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: wanted to thank you btw for icon thng on website =) |
| 19:27.57 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: yw |
| 19:28.33 | javispedro | has just dropped his loan n950 in the post office and gets home to read enyo will be OSS |
| 19:28.35 | djszapi | has not seen too much gaim there. |
| 19:28.45 | djszapi | yipdw: you do not wanna see the code, trust me :P |
| 19:28.45 | ZogG_laptop | there is qutim for n9 btw if you interested |
| 19:28.50 | djszapi | they are sort of awkward imho |
| 19:28.57 | ZogG_laptop | it' alpha but working |
| 19:29.13 | yipdw | djszapi: what's awkward -- the details or how it all fits together? |
| 19:29.18 | yipdw | if there's messy code in the details I don't care :P |
| 19:29.26 | djszapi | yipdw: the structure, the spaghetti and everything |
| 19:29.31 | yipdw | oh |
| 19:29.33 | yipdw | hm |
| 19:29.35 | ZogG_laptop | i'm orking on img uploader up |
| 19:30.45 | ZogG_laptop | working* app* |
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| 19:33.10 | javispedro | djszapi: libpurple is gaim's account abstraction library |
| 19:33.26 | djszapi | javispedro: I see no libpurple there. |
| 19:33.29 | djszapi | more or less tp |
| 19:33.40 | javispedro | ps ax | grep purple ;) |
| 19:33.58 | javispedro | a few instances of /usr/bin/imlibpurpletransport |
| 19:33.59 | djszapi | no phone at hands, sorry :) |
| 19:34.22 | javispedro | ah, wait a moment |
| 19:34.31 | javispedro | my fault, I was talking about webOS =) |
| 19:34.36 | javispedro | but you were talking about Harm |
| 19:34.43 | javispedro | sorry :) |
| 19:34.58 | djszapi | I thought webOS is dead |
| 19:35.03 | djszapi | everybody was saying that... |
| 19:35.41 | Clint | doesn't everybody say that about meego? |
| 19:35.43 | djszapi | though, the doom 3 code was also disclosed few days/weeks ago after 7-8 years :) |
| 19:35.45 | javispedro | it's as dead as harm... no devices in the pipeline, but new versions are planed |
| 19:35.54 | javispedro | (for existing devices) |
| 19:37.35 | ajalkane | This is a game changer. It's not anymore the war of ecosystems, it's the war of dead platforms! |
| 19:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: returning the 950? why? |
| 19:37.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: dead pixels |
| 19:37.59 | djszapi | blolz |
| 19:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | defect or fed up with it? |
| 19:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 19:38.13 | javispedro | former |
| 19:38.31 | javispedro | ajalkane: be proud my child, be proud of your dead platforms! |
| 19:38.32 | ajalkane | I have a like a blob of dead pixels on my N950 in the bottom |
| 19:39.11 | ajalkane | I just can't let go of the device yet. But the dead pixels are spreading so I think I have to soon try getting it fixed if Nokia will |
| 19:39.44 | gri | my n950 display gets milky on the left side (and it's not dirty) :D |
| 19:39.48 | javispedro | ajalkane: to me, it initially started as minuscule dot in the middle of the screen |
| 19:40.08 | ZogG_laptop | i don' have n950 |
| 19:40.20 | javispedro | ajalkane: in less than a month, it grown up to a sizeable monster |
| 19:40.27 | ajalkane | javispedro: ah, middle of screen would be too annoying. For me it started bottom near right, then took a great horizontal line to the left, and started doing a blob there. |
| 19:40.28 | javispedro | no signs of stopping |
| 19:40.43 | ajalkane | I think it's trying to build Windows Phone buttons to the bottom. |
| 19:41.02 | javispedro | well, gtg, cya gentlemen |
| 19:41.14 | ZogG_laptop | night |
| 19:45.18 | ZogG_laptop | so any advise? |
| 19:47.59 | djszapi | advice for what ? |
| 19:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check... seems we got 3..4 dead LCD on a sample of 350 devices, during first <6 months. I can see why they won't want to ever sell this N950 |
| 19:52.39 | frals | yeah.. thats how it works, right? ;) |
| 19:54.15 | ajalkane | The weird thing about this dead pixel thing, it's like a plague. If it starts somewhere, it starts spreading to neighboring cells. |
| 19:54.42 | ajalkane | It's like some ink was leaked inside, and it spreads slowly |
| 19:55.24 | ajalkane | It seems to like spreading more horizontally, and only occassionally penetrates the pixels vertically |
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| 19:57.00 | luke-jr | http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html? |
| 19:57.26 | SpeedEvil | I wonder about cracks. |
| 19:57.40 | SpeedEvil | It seems to be propagating from a common point |
| 19:57.57 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's physical damage at assembly or some point |
| 19:59.11 | ajalkane | Could be... but I had the device for almost 4 months before it happened. So it's a bit weird. |
| 19:59.28 | ajalkane | But could be some physical damage at assembly, and with the falling temperatures in finland it started failing |
| 19:59.55 | djszapi | is learning qmake blooeeeee |
| 20:00.06 | ajalkane | qmake ftw! |
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| 20:01.11 | djszapi | :) so guys, sincerely. What is the successor of Harmattan, or at least the potential phone for Qt development, only Android ? |
| 20:01.32 | ajalkane | Tizen :-P |
| 20:01.59 | ajalkane | But seriously Android seems the only choice, unless you're excited about feature phone extravaganza of Meltemi |
| 20:02.06 | djszapi | I thought Finnish people are the most sincere, but there always exceptions. ;) |
| 20:02.12 | djszapi | are* |
| 20:02.31 | djszapi | well the Nokia feature phone will not be a hacker phone either |
| 20:02.50 | djszapi | and they are crazy about the deadlines. I mean... super crazy |
| 20:03.04 | ajalkane | No, if you want hacker phone + Qt then Android I guess looks best |
| 20:03.12 | djszapi | I agree |
| 20:04.43 | ZogG_laptop | so no advice on how to integrate filepicker or image chooser ? |
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| 20:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if the dead pixels produce some poison, either literally in the LC liquid (electrolytic corrosion) or in the electric domain like causing overvoltage on the row- or col-select lines |
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| 20:17.20 | RST38h | !!!! http://gizmodo.com/5866626/the-shit-tablet-apple-thinks-samsung-should-have-made !!!! |
| 20:17.53 | RST38h | (if you are eating, beware of throw-up capacity of this link) |
| 20:19.00 | b3ll | when using a QML Audio Element, does one need to do anything other than set the source to access its metadata? |
| 20:22.27 | ZogG_laptop | hmmhmm there are gtk parts in meego =) |
| 20:22.35 | ZogG_laptop | i thought it was fully qt |
| 20:24.19 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: it's funny how i can see left and right part at the same time |
| 20:24.32 | ZogG_laptop | like tabled is bended |
| 20:24.45 | ZogG_laptop | i mean the side parts |
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| 20:37.31 | Qantourisc | I wonder ... now that N9 / nokia is going to be scrabbed ... what hardware will the software run on late r? |
| 20:41.39 | Qantourisc | If Intel keeps backing it up ... i believe though |
| 20:49.57 | gabriel9 | hai guys |
| 20:50.23 | gabriel9 | anyone have source of file manager beta |
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| 20:52.19 | gri | gabriel9: nope but it's easy to get the qml files even if they are compiled into the application |
| 20:52.38 | gri | but you can't get the code of the c++ part |
| 20:53.19 | gabriel9 | thats ok |
| 20:53.33 | gabriel9 | i'm intersted in layout |
| 20:54.16 | gabriel9 | and freaking header :D |
| 20:54.22 | gabriel9 | how are you gri? |
| 20:54.29 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 20:55.25 | gri | well friday is my free day so I'm pretty fine :) |
| 20:55.48 | gabriel9 | good for you, i must work for weekend |
| 20:56.37 | gri | yeah, tomorrow is also less free ... have to help a friend moving to another city and stay there |
| 20:56.43 | Venemo | hey |
| 20:58.35 | gabriel9 | Hai Venemo |
| 20:58.57 | gabriel9 | gri, if there some drinks and something to eat that kind of job can be interesting |
| 20:59.26 | djszapi | Venemo: o/ |
| 21:00.33 | gri | gabriel9: 4th floor without elevator :) |
| 21:00.33 | gabriel9 | naked |
| 21:00.33 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 21:00.51 | gabriel9 | sorry i searched history of irc |
| 21:01.06 | gabriel9 | gri, that is not fun :D |
| 21:01.21 | gabriel9 | i hope he call someone else also |
| 21:01.39 | gabriel9 | i moved alot, and also helped lots of friends |
| 21:01.44 | gri | we're about 10 people so that should be enough |
| 21:01.56 | gabriel9 | that will be easy |
| 21:03.06 | gabriel9 | Venemo, as i recall you develop IRC client |
| 21:03.31 | gabriel9 | do you have new build |
| 21:05.11 | Venemo | gabriel9, not yet, why? |
| 21:05.25 | Venemo | hey djszapi :) |
| 21:05.51 | gabriel9 | becouse i am to lazy to enter all data :D |
| 21:06.42 | djszapi | Venemo: how are you today ? :) |
| 21:08.44 | gabriel9 | i can't belive that every blog write about Lumnia |
| 21:09.56 | gri | gabriel9: I can't believe that all those bloggers copy from each other :P |
| 21:10.21 | gabriel9 | yea that's true |
| 21:10.46 | gabriel9 | are they geting monney for they rants |
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| 21:16.20 | Venemo | djszapi, fine, thanks! I've slept a lot, so I'm starting to feel rested |
| 21:17.05 | gri | my application is stalled in ovi qa they say o_O |
| 21:17.19 | gri | for some reason they believe they need a german sim card for doing qa |
| 21:17.29 | ajalkane | lol |
| 21:17.36 | ajalkane | that's what you get for doing a german translation :P |
| 21:17.58 | djszapi | Venemo: :D nice./ |
| 21:18.58 | gri | ajalkane: Well I assumed they don't check that since today I found an application in ovi store whose german description is totally nonsense - the author must have translated it with some online translator |
| 21:19.23 | ajalkane | gri: they probably only check if there is a translation to the language. Dunno. |
| 21:20.33 | gri | I wrote an email to the author and told him he should better remove this translation because it's better to have an english one instead of that nonsense german. No reply yet :) |
| 21:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 21:37.45 | GeneralAntilles | Endless duplicate text messages are a nice feature. |
| 21:41.53 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, reboot the N9 |
| 21:42.11 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, my N950 also behaved that way, but the duplicates disappeared after a reboot |
| 21:43.35 | Richlv | for the record, i unbricked my n9. |
| 21:44.02 | Richlv | this crappy hp laptop didn't want to boot any usb stick, so eventually i got a person with a dell laptop & ubuntu on it to run the flasher |
| 21:44.45 | Richlv | it was reading the fw from a usb stick & was pretty slow, but did finish all 100% of rootfs and the phone did boot. so i have my toy back and can try to break it again ;) |
| 21:55.30 | Venemo | Richlv, congrats :) |
| 21:56.28 | gri | feels like my application is not welcome in ovi store |
| 21:59.24 | Richlv | Venemo, thanks :) |
| 21:59.52 | Richlv | although i haven't found a way to backup apps and reinstall afterwards w/o downloading again |
| 21:59.55 | Richlv | is that possible ? |
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| 22:05.56 | gabriel9 | i love this song: "Put the right thing to the right place, do it alot" |
| 22:07.37 | vsync_ | let me get this straight, is that song pro- or anti-buttsex? |
| 22:08.19 | Venemo | Richlv, I don't think so. |
| 22:08.39 | gabriel9 | no, the meaning is that you always do something good and do it alot |
| 22:09.02 | gabriel9 | all thint that song is about sex |
| 22:10.20 | GeneralAntilles | Reboot didn't help. :( |
| 22:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | What the hell sort of messed up bug is this. . . . |
| 22:12.20 | Richlv | DocScrutinizer, you said : <DocScrutinizer> and I appreciate all the reasonable effort from inside $Nokia to compensate the damage done - is there something specific you had in mind, or maybe some coverage on that i could read about it ? |
| 22:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | Richlv: I just see Nokia e.g. changed NOLO to a version that allows loading of open mode kernel |
| 22:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | and there's been considerable effort inside nokia to bring proper openmode to devels |
| 22:22.35 | Richlv | DocScrutinizer, thanks for the response. do you see that effort as limited to specific device or as a bit more of a wider approach ? |
| 22:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's an effort of the former maemo now meego team I'd say |
| 22:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | or parts thereof |
| 22:27.16 | Venemo | I'd say that with their last breath, they want to ensure that the new device(s) can be as "open ended" as the N8x0 and the N900 was. |
| 22:31.51 | b3ll | when using a QML Audio Element, does one need to do anything other than set the source to access its metadata? |
| 22:35.19 | Venemo | haven't a clue |
| 22:37.10 | GeneralAntilles | Grrr |
| 22:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | to those interested, there is new stuff on that wicked server ;-D |
| 22:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | Now it's just spamming all of the previous text messages from the last three people. |
| 22:37.31 | GeneralAntilles | stabs things |
| 22:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | a howto.txt and a .deb |
| 22:38.48 | b3ll | thanks Venemo, doesn't look like anyone knows, I may have to resort to some sort of c++ proxy or something, since harmattan doesn't use the md5(title)-md5(artist).jpg for cover art, right? |
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| 22:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: you might consider http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ for next MWKN |
| 22:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | 5 copies of every damn text message |
| 22:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | What |
| 22:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | The |
| 22:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | Fuck |
| 22:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:50.51 | yipdw | GeneralAntilles: how do you replicate that behavior; I've never seen it happen on the N9 I've got |
| 22:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 22:52.11 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 22:52.35 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:52.59 | *** topic/#harmattan by DocScrutinizer -> A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks |
| 22:53.15 | *** mode/#harmattan [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis? is <reply>see aegis-no-thanks |
| 22:54.00 | infobot | ...but aegis is already something else... |
| 22:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 22:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis is <reply>see aegis-no-thanks |
| 22:54.22 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
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| 23:01.19 | Venemo | b3ll, I have no cluse |
| 23:11.40 | Venemo | b3ll, I have no clue |
| 23:14.49 | gabriel9_ | guys where didi you learn to code qml qt |
| 23:15.59 | leinir | the interwebs! ;) |
| 23:16.27 | leinir | More seriously, the tutorial videos and code samples on qt.nokia.com and devnet :) |
| 23:16.57 | M4rtinK | gabriel9_: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-tutorial.html http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/PySideDocumentation/#5be5dacb948a23c02e25c37df1efd5c2 http://wiki.meego.com/QML_tutorials |
| 23:17.36 | M4rtinK | there is also THPs tutorial: http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-tutorial-pysideqml-on-meego.html |
| 23:18.16 | M4rtinK | some more links: http://wiki.meego.com/HarmattanQMLPythonOBSResourceList#QML |
| 23:18.46 | GeneralAntilles | yipdw, hell if I know |
| 23:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | Just started happening. |
| 23:19.06 | M4rtinK | also, there is the source for the components gallery: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/trees/master/examples/meego/QmlComponentGallery/qml |
| 23:19.53 | gabriel9_ | nice |
| 23:19.56 | gabriel9_ | thanks |
| 23:20.12 | gabriel9_ | my boss is gone kill me becouse i don't rest :D |
| 23:21.05 | M4rtinK | your boss or the lack of rest - you are doomed :) |
| 23:21.29 | gabriel9_ | either way i'm dead |
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| 23:22.31 | gabriel9_ | anyone know size of toolbar? |
| 23:22.34 | gabriel9_ | height |
| 23:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/__THIS_IS_MEANT_FOR_N9 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/mini_howto_open_securemode.txt |
| 23:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | and I promise I won't bitch against aegis anymore - well, unless I'm in an extraordinary grumpy mood ;-D |
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| 23:36.25 | gabriel9_ | is there any way to manipulate files with Qt quick? like create file, write and save/close? |
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| 23:42.54 | Sazpaimon | if I hear whatsapp one more time, im going to start slapping people |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | slaps Sazpaimon a bit |
| 23:43.40 | Richlv | hmm-wtf. why would n9 refuse to download ovi store apps while connected to a computer... |
| 23:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, because MyDocs unmounted maybe? |
| 23:44.47 | artemma | is looking at qvernote project. Last commit in february, doesn't compile with Qt SDK.. hmm |
| 23:44.55 | Sazpaimon | wait wait |
| 23:45.02 | Sazpaimon | official openmode kernel now? |
| 23:45.05 | Richlv | unmounted in phone becaue mounted to usb host, or - ? |
| 23:45.28 | Sazpaimon | SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO what is this, the DVD image that nokia sends for GPL requests? |
| 23:45.56 | artemma | gabriel9_: Not with Qt quick itself (runs in a sandbox). Something you can do via QtMobility, other stuff can be exposed to QML from C++ |
| 23:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually a very fine trick to store sth to MyDocs *on device* while device is linked to PC in mass storage mode. It simply will vanish and get thoroughly hidden as long as device is NOT in mass storage mode again |
| 23:46.18 | artemma | via Qt mobility bindings I mean |
| 23:46.59 | gabriel9_ | i was thinking that would be easy :) |
| 23:47.01 | Sazpaimon | ok i looked at the #harmattan log from when this was posted |
| 23:47.09 | Sazpaimon | looks like that ISO is true PR1.1 |
| 23:47.21 | Sazpaimon | great stuff |
| 23:47.39 | artemma | gabriel9_: why would you need to manage exactly files? For more usual mobile use (contacts, photos, etc) there's QtMobility bindings |
| 23:48.28 | artemma | with all my love to JS I am not sure if I'd like Qt Quick to be able to open/close/wirte-bytes to files |
| 23:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: well, the stuff that results from it is even greater |
| 23:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | opensh :-D \o/ |
| 23:49.16 | Sazpaimon | where is opensh from anyway |
| 23:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | finally ROOT on your own device |
| 23:49.25 | Sazpaimon | is it part of the PR1.1 sources? |
| 23:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:49.42 | Sazpaimon | who's baby is that |
| 23:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 23:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's probably a clone of develsh, but with *slightly* longer list of tokens requested in aegis-manifest |
| 23:50.34 | Sazpaimon | and opensh can execute arbitrary binaries? |
| 23:50.39 | Sazpaimon | without a hacked kernel? |
| 23:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 23:50.56 | gabriel9_ | well i need to create some text files and save them |
| 23:51.05 | Sazpaimon | well the hacked kernel seems required to load it |
| 23:51.09 | gabriel9_ | and also you could change them |
| 23:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon: no, to install it |
| 23:51.29 | b3ll | For future reference, cover art for music is stored at /home/user/.cache/media-art/ |
| 23:52.10 | artemma | gabriel9_: I am afraid you need to do it from C++. Good news is that it's very easy to expose that to QML, so in C++ you can have just file system access |
| 23:55.08 | gabriel9_ | i know some C++ and some guys from work are C++ gurus |
| 23:56.08 | gabriel9_ | and as i recall there is nice api in qt for file manipulation |
| 23:56.50 | Richlv | wants to hit whoever designed n9 "restore" feature :/ |
