| 00:01.14 | tomma | and usualy those similiar apps are only similiar by not being any way related |
| 00:02.12 | gri | "you like crap? you might also like ..." |
| 00:02.47 | yipdw | it occasionally seems to work -- related applications for Spotify include "Internet Radio Player", "gPodder Podcast Client", and, amusingly, Spotify |
| 00:02.54 | yipdw | at least we know that an application is related to itself |
| 00:03.21 | yipdw | or maybe there's multiple entries named "Spotify" |
| 00:04.08 | gri | I think the website lists all versions for an application if you haven't selected an device |
| 00:04.26 | yipdw | that result list is from the Store application on my N9 |
| 00:04.51 | yipdw | if that's returning results for all devices, that's pretty broken :P |
| 00:05.29 | gri | well for now I just used the n9 and never symbian. But today I logged into a rda device and added my ovi account |
| 00:05.41 | gri | and the symbian ovi app displayed all my n9 apps |
| 00:05.58 | gri | but I haven't tried what happens when I click on them |
| 00:07.17 | tomma | i hope you removed that account after you used that rda device |
| 00:07.42 | gri | sure :) |
| 00:08.06 | tomma | it is pretty sad after you log in to device and notice someone has used facebook account there... |
| 00:08.09 | gri | but I found a n9 from rda where users did not remove their nokia account ... |
| 00:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: WOW |
| 00:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | yipdw: hooray! frooble: similar to snuzzle, oooomphla, and gruuun - now I know exactly how useful and awesome frooble is XP |
| 00:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | incidentally I have no fucking clie what's spotify |
| 00:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | clue even |
| 00:12.57 | yipdw | DocScrutinizer: well, yeah, frooble might as well be closely related to those, just as it's closely related to foo, bar, and other metasyntacticals |
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| 00:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | if you missed the pint... not my fault |
| 00:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | point |
| 00:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | though I think you also missed a pint |
| 00:14.22 | yipdw | I think I get your point, but it's weakened if you don't know what Spotify is (it's a music streaming service) |
| 00:14.31 | yipdw | in that light there is a relationship between that application and the others |
| 00:14.32 | ieatlint | i want a pint |
| 00:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 00:14.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're a source of great web3.0 application names! |
| 00:15.11 | yipdw | so a client for a music streaming service is related to other music streaming applications via the fact that they all stream audio |
| 00:15.19 | javispedro | goes register ooooomphla.gruun.net |
| 00:15.19 | yipdw | I didn't say it was a great relationship, but it is one |
| 00:15.28 | yipdw | I'm also not sure why you're attacking me over this |
| 00:15.41 | ieatlint | ls |
| 00:15.46 | ieatlint | er.. |
| 00:15.55 | javispedro | ieatlint: Pipe broken |
| 00:16.23 | ieatlint | :( |
| 00:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | yipdw: sorry, a long nourished hatred against product detail specs like "xfrooble: an X GUI for frooble" - - WTF IS frooble?? KTNXBY |
| 00:19.09 | yipdw | DocScrutinizer: I understand that, but the description for the Spotify client lists it in the "Music" category and describes what Spotify is |
| 00:19.15 | ieatlint | but frooble is awesome |
| 00:19.16 | yipdw | it really isn't that bad of a description |
| 00:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | k, then sorry for me kicking in inmidst the convo |
| 00:19.55 | ieatlint | should make "xwhich: an X GUI for which" |
| 00:19.56 | yipdw | additionally, someone who is looking for Spotify is going to know what it is; and someone who sees it in a list of relationships for music player applications can (well, should be able) to infer that it has something to do with music |
| 00:20.04 | yipdw | admittedly, the Ovi Store relationships do fail at this in some instances |
| 00:20.14 | yipdw | like the Battery Usage application is listed as being related to a flashlight app (what?) |
| 00:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | probably both use python XP |
| 00:21.52 | yipdw | they're both categorized as utilities, which I guess is part of the problem -- "utilities" is IMO a really terrible category, because you can throw so much into it |
| 00:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | btw Battery Usage application might do exactly what the name suggests, other than what you thought it might do |
| 00:22.30 | yipdw | it reports battery usage, yeah |
| 00:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | it uses battery |
| 00:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | quite a lot |
| 00:22.49 | javispedro | lols |
| 00:23.46 | javispedro | Battery Usage is this -- http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VUl9vmSgIu8/TtJ0s1hrctI/AAAAAAAAA7I/E6ULxbpWxGE/s1600/pa1-192x192.PNG ? |
| 00:24.11 | javispedro | hm... how could it even try to estimate that information? |
| 00:24.53 | SpeedEvil | wakeups |
| 00:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | BSAHAHA |
| 00:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's funny and coloful |
| 00:25.57 | yipdw | not sure; I can't find its source code |
| 00:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'd add jumping hamsters |
| 00:26.09 | yipdw | but, yeah, a similar method to powertop, probably |
| 00:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 00:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 00:26.27 | yipdw | BS on what? |
| 00:26.41 | yipdw | do you mean that powertop's reports are BS? |
| 00:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil and ShadowJK and me are probably the 3 guys that know most about power consumption and how to measure it |
| 00:27.20 | yipdw | in that case, please enlighten me as to why powertop's reports are bogus |
| 00:27.23 | yipdw | "BS" isn't very educational |
| 00:27.25 | SpeedEvil | Powertop is almost bogus. |
| 00:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | and yoiu *can not* measure what's printed there |
| 00:27.42 | SpeedEvil | For example, wakeups are not a very good proxy of anything. |
| 00:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | yipdw: how could I educate you on a false assumption made by YOU? |
| 00:28.02 | SpeedEvil | You can wake up 4 times in a millisecond, and it will use essentially no power over waking up once. |
| 00:28.16 | yipdw | DocScrutinizer: I didn't make any assumptions about veracity of poewrtop |
| 00:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | I never even mentioned powertop |
| 00:28.22 | SpeedEvil | And md5sum /dev/zero will have no wakeups, but use 100% of CPU |
| 00:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Measuring power use is _hard_. |
| 00:28.36 | yipdw | what I'm saying is that what the Battery Usage application might do is something similar to powertop |
| 00:28.40 | SpeedEvil | If you want to attribute that use to processes. |
| 00:28.42 | yipdw | I don't know how accurate it is |
| 00:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not a nice guy as SpeedEvil |
| 00:28.47 | yipdw | nor did I claim it was accurate |
| 00:29.07 | yipdw | however, if you can tell me why powertop is usually inaccurate, or at least provide papers or publications to such information, I'm happy to read them |
| 00:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | I could educate you though why ls or df figures are bogus for battery consumption |
| 00:29.59 | yipdw | I'm not really sure what ls or df figures have to do with battery consumption |
| 00:30.03 | javispedro | as I human I have a hard time attributing causes of power consumption, I am quite surprised someone would attempt to do it automatically |
| 00:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure what powertop has to do with battery consumption |
| 00:30.24 | yipdw | DocScrutinizer: dude, if you don't want to tell me, then just say so |
| 00:30.30 | yipdw | don't give me some run-around |
| 00:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | well, I*am* sure it's mostly unrelated |
| 00:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | powertop is just monitoring *one* thing: CPU wakeups |
| 00:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | powertop has no fucking clue about e.g modem eating MASSIVE energy for TX |
| 00:32.56 | yipdw | ok |
| 00:33.13 | yipdw | thanks |
| 00:33.33 | yipdw | I'm really not out to make you look bad, seriously |
| 00:33.48 | SpeedEvil | As another analogy, powertop is trying to work out how much energy your house is using by analysing the sound it makes. |
| 00:33.58 | yipdw | I'm not trying to claim that powertop or any other automated method actually works, because *I don't know* |
| 00:34.09 | yipdw | all I said is that the battery usage application might use the same method |
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| 00:34.39 | yipdw | sorry if power management touches a nerve, but seriously, calm down |
| 00:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it does, and then it's bogus |
| 00:34.51 | yipdw | that's fine |
| 00:35.51 | javispedro | note that the intel version of powertop, on acpi platforms, actually reports current current (A) |
| 00:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's way smarter (actually possible) and tries to weigh power consumption of different subsystems by monitoring a twohundered system parameters, but still there are domains it is doomed to fail: phone for example |
| 00:36.38 | yipdw | no idea; as I mentioned I haven't yet been able to find its source |
| 00:36.56 | javispedro | that's where my comment of "I'm having a hard time to do it as a human" fits in =) |
| 00:37.15 | javispedro | doing it meaningfully requires quite a handful of rules |
| 00:37.41 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: you here ? :) |
| 00:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and you won't get powerfactor for TX from modem, it keeps it |
| 00:37.48 | javispedro | and will still have thousands of weird cases, which usually happen when one is interested in power usage.. |
| 00:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | I.E your modem, during phonecall, may get advice from BTS to send with 10mW or with 2W, or anything in between. No way to tell |
| 00:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | for data the situation is similar |
| 00:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | (actually even there is *some* way to tell, but it seems BB5 doesn't support it) |
| 00:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | this way is meant to reduce WLAN TX power when modem sends with Pgsm so that Pwlan + Pgsm is not exceeding a certain maximum |
| 00:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | I haven't heard of this feature ever been implemented in real life |
| 00:43.40 | yipdw | so powertop's pretty much useless on a phone because all it can do is measure what the CPU is doing, and is oblivious to coprocessors and indeed any other component |
| 00:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 00:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's useful to find runaway processes that hog the CPU |
| 00:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually one of the most useful values it printsa out is the percentage CPU stays in certain C-states |
| 00:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | and certain clockspeeds |
| 00:46.25 | Richlv | ouch, http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/11/connect-bluetooth-keyboard-n9/ sounds complicated for such a simple task. is that approach the best available ? |
| 00:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | since not too long ago "official" msg was "bt kbd doesn't work at all with harmatan" |
| 00:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | so anything better than that can't be completely bad ;-) |
| 00:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | s/since/until/ |
| 00:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if there'll be any silicon arriving for slaughtering before xmess |
| 00:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | pending: GTA04, hooker800 |
| 00:51.09 | Richlv | DocScrutinizer, heh, ok, thanks :) |
| 00:53.05 | javispedro | ponders if I'll get my VGA card before christmas |
| 00:53.17 | javispedro | starting to get tired of 16bpp |
| 00:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to order a VGA card at Amazon for javispedro |
| 00:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | when Asus returns your smoked-up one, we build a railgun out of it and shoot a new window to Asus building |
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| 00:56.02 | javispedro | plain rocks will be enough |
| 00:56.21 | ieatlint | actually lives not far from their US HQ |
| 00:56.28 | ieatlint | i can go throw some rocks for you next week |
| 00:57.34 | javispedro | I think I'll spare the US guys, the problem lies in the EU branch |
| 00:57.55 | javispedro | but I appreciate the offer. |
| 00:58.00 | MohammadAG | woo, facebook checkins 100% done |
| 00:58.30 | MohammadAG | well, 99.9%, till I figure out how to preselect items |
| 00:58.34 | MohammadAG | but that's not that major |
| 00:59.21 | MohammadAG | about 5 times the lines of code for Fremantle though |
| 00:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG, your occasional posts get ever more gibberish ;-P |
| 00:59.59 | MohammadAG | Sociality for Harmattan |
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| 01:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 01:00.08 | MohammadAG | cause the built in client sucks |
| 01:00.23 | MohammadAG | the UI's good, but slow, very very slow |
| 01:00.45 | MohammadAG | Sociality doesn't have the same good UI, but is way too quick |
| 01:00.49 | MohammadAG | even compared to the iPhone app |
| 01:00.56 | mck182 | hey all, I'm trying to build my first n9 app but I'm stuck with this: http://paste.kde.org/174794 |
| 01:01.08 | mck182 | I'm using the latest sdk downloaded straight from nokia |
| 01:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | shall I place a bet what's the problem ;-P |
| 01:01.36 | mck182 | I have a project with two subprojects - a lib and an ui |
| 01:01.49 | Richlv | ah, there's some gui manager for bt keyboards - http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4828&page=3 |
| 01:03.43 | mck182 | DocScrutinizer: packaging issue....but /me knows squat about that |
| 01:05.02 | MohammadAG | and Qt Creator segfaulted |
| 01:05.02 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 01:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | I place all my money I have in my hand on MSSF |
| 01:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | aka aegis and related policy |
| 01:07.46 | MohammadAG | hmm, MeeGoHomeTouch seems to fork all processes |
| 01:07.50 | MohammadAG | not to* |
| 01:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | MeeGoHomeRun err MeeGo TouchDown |
| 01:12.19 | MohammadAG | killing it kills all processes |
| 01:12.31 | MohammadAG | much like restarting SpringBoard on iOS |
| 01:12.46 | MohammadAG | I miss when you could restart hildon-desktop without killing processes |
| 01:13.08 | merlin1991 | wants to see sociality on the n9 as soon as possible |
| 01:13.19 | merlin1991 | inbuilt client is so bad speed wise |
| 01:13.31 | MohammadAG | checkins take 6s |
| 01:13.39 | MohammadAG | (assuming you already have a GPS lock) |
| 01:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | wants to see a proper OS on N9(50) as soon as possible |
| 01:14.00 | MohammadAG | where the fuck should icons go so they're not red squares! |
| 01:14.01 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: baybe steps ;) |
| 01:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | with a limited but selected number of apps |
| 01:14.13 | MohammadAG | let's start with spelling baby correctly |
| 01:14.39 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: 2 am ;) |
| 01:15.56 | MohammadAG | 3:15 here |
| 01:16.06 | MohammadAG | full path in .desktop file fixed it |
| 01:16.08 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: /usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/icons works fine |
| 01:16.14 | merlin1991 | (without full path) |
| 01:16.23 | SpeedEvil | 1AM here, but I woke up 4 hours ago. |
| 01:16.35 | merlin1991 | and that path is mentioned in the dev library |
| 01:16.36 | MohammadAG | woke up 24-4 hours ago |
| 01:16.46 | MohammadAG | yay for nonstandard location |
| 01:17.11 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html#Adding_an_application_launcher_icon |
| 01:17.12 | MohammadAG | 1.5s startup for sociality |
| 01:17.57 | merlin1991 | gotta love this instruction: |
| 01:18.02 | merlin1991 | Create an icon that meets the following criteria: |
| 01:18.02 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.02 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.04 | MohammadAG | just need to add commenting to posts and profiles then we're ready for 0.1 |
| 01:18.20 | MohammadAG | cannot compute |
| 01:18.43 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1137854&postcount=5 |
| 01:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | 1324084751 here |
| 01:19.38 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the size? :D |
| 01:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | %s |
| 01:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | date +%s |
| 01:20.51 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://i41.tinypic.com/mcfyp4.jpg |
| 01:20.58 | MohammadAG | integrates with Harmattan maps + drive |
| 01:21.09 | merlin1991 | looks promising |
| 01:21.41 | MohammadAG | not sure why the checkin button is way off from center |
| 01:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | and I woke up at 1324015200 |
| 01:23.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you're human right? |
| 01:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | according to my uptime I'm at least not digital technology of this civilization |
| 01:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | though some here seem to think I am |
| 01:25.04 | merlin1991 | true, that would be shorter ;) |
| 01:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | but then who can be certain about when the storage image got installed? |
| 01:26.19 | MohammadAG | slaps DocScrutinizer |
| 01:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | might not even be built by the time it claims it was |
| 01:26.25 | MohammadAG | talk human |
| 01:26.35 | MohammadAG | use UTC |
| 01:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ok |
| 01:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.45 | MohammadAG | shoots self |
| 01:30.02 | javispedro | "The Year of Linux Disappointments" -- http://lwn.net/Articles/472135/ |
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| 02:02.24 | pawky | Me happy guy, me got N9 that actually works.... :-D |
| 02:03.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:03.44 | pawky | :-) |
| 02:04.12 | pawky | well.. next step would be to get rid of the anoying limitations in the standard firmware... but thats step 2..... :-) |
| 02:17.04 | merlin1991 | gst-launch is in gstreamer0.10-tools right? |
| 02:17.37 | merlin1991 | I can't install it on my n9 (dev mode enabled) but apt claims some other package is referencing gstreamer0.10-tools which it can't find |
| 02:21.10 | merlin1991 | where did gst-launch go? :/ |
| 02:30.24 | merlin1991 | anybody with n9 and dev mode enabled plase pastebin me the content of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 02:46.28 | merlin1991 | I fixed it by adding 'deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free' into another .list file there :/ |
| 03:28.46 | javispedro | remove it as soon as possible |
| 03:28.54 | javispedro | gnite |
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| 06:28.28 | TSCHAKeee | what causes this? Aegis rejecting /home/developer/qorbiter-src_0.0.1_armel.deb: opt/qOrbiter/bin/qOrbiter not installed by the package |
| 06:28.30 | TSCHAKeee | aegis aborting dpkg -- all listed package files rejected |
| 06:28.32 | TSCHAKeee | Deployment failed. |
| 06:28.34 | TSCHAKeee | Error while building project qOrbiter_src (target: Harmattan) |
| 06:28.36 | TSCHAKeee | When executing build step 'Deploy Debian package via SFTP upload' |
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| 07:57.05 | villager | TSCHAKeee: just guessing, but perhaps the Aegis manifest contains that file but the .deb doesn't |
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| 08:25.46 | jonni | yep, I've gotten simular kind of errors, where .deb is missing some files that is mentioned in aegis file. |
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| 08:53.59 | gri | ohoh, when installing my application via ovi store it does kill the ovi store client and hangs up the phone for ~30 seconds o_O |
| 08:54.09 | gri | hope this just happened for me |
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| 09:45.04 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 09:46.44 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
| 09:46.59 | SpeedEvil | Did your n950 actually arrive - I don't think I caught the end of that drama. |
| 09:48.16 | l32606 | morning. although it is time for my dinner now. :-) |
| 09:48.49 | SpeedEvil | It's technically morning here, though I got up 6 hours ago. |
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| 10:01.37 | l32606 | N950 is too rare, luckily I can use N9 as my developer device... |
| 10:02.13 | Venemo_N950 | the N950 is an elegant beauty! |
| 10:03.04 | ieatlint | i sold my n950 for booze |
| 10:03.12 | ieatlint | got two cases of beer for it |
| 10:03.15 | ieatlint | was a good night |
| 10:10.01 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yep, third one, second one is stuck in customs |
| 10:10.07 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80884 |
| 10:12.56 | SpeedEvil | haha. |
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| 10:14.45 | alterego | 2nd N9 arrives today :) |
| 10:14.52 | alterego | I can see the DHL tracking info :D |
| 10:14.54 | alterego | teeheehee |
| 10:15.04 | ieatlint | bought another n9? |
| 10:15.13 | alterego | Neah, Gift |
| 10:15.17 | alterego | Freebie |
| 10:15.20 | ieatlint | lucky then |
| 10:15.27 | RST38h | moos |
| 10:15.30 | ieatlint | i'm really tempted to buy one of the 64gb ones |
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| 10:15.50 | alterego | I bought a 64G black one |
| 10:16.14 | RST38h | altrego: fought down the desire to buy a pink one? =) |
| 10:16.16 | alterego | Worth every penny, expensive, but worth it. It's a beautiful device. |
| 10:16.25 | alterego | RST38h: I want a pink one :( |
| 10:16.28 | ieatlint | yeah, i've got two 16gbs right now |
| 10:16.32 | RST38h | Here they are sold side by side - real and fake N9s |
| 10:16.34 | ieatlint | i had a pink one for a while |
| 10:16.36 | RST38h | The fake ones are cheaper |
| 10:16.41 | ieatlint | it's pretty god damn pink |
| 10:16.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:16.56 | RST38h | prefers black, n950-black |
| 10:16.56 | alterego | (I actually have 2 N9s) |
| 10:17.02 | alterego | But one is a white proto for work. |
| 10:17.02 | ieatlint | RST38h: fake ones here are about $80 cheaper |
| 10:17.10 | RST38h | Although N9s have actually got a damn good display |
| 10:17.13 | alterego | So it's not mine. |
| 10:17.18 | RST38h | ieatlint: same here |
| 10:17.27 | ieatlint | alterego: same here... a blue 16gb that's mine, a white proto 16gb for work |
| 10:17.35 | RST38h | but something like $150-$200 |
| 10:17.43 | ieatlint | and i'm really tempted to buy a black 64gb one |
| 10:18.16 | RST38h | ieatlint: don't see why not: it will get you through the next 2 years, probably |
| 10:18.27 | RST38h | so, does not seem like such a waste of money |
| 10:18.29 | alterego | ieatlint: my personal one is black 64 like I said, it seriously is sleek :) |
| 10:18.35 | ieatlint | it's truly depressing... with the n900, i was happy, but everyone else looked at me like i was crazy and i really did understand why |
| 10:18.44 | alterego | I don't know what colour this one will be, hoping it'll be blue :) |
| 10:18.50 | ieatlint | with my n9... people look with envy, both at the hardware and software |
| 10:19.00 | RST38h | people look at n900 with envy |
| 10:19.03 | RST38h | even now |
| 10:19.18 | ieatlint | and it's a dead end platform :( |
| 10:19.19 | RST38h | especially after seeing what it can do |
| 10:19.36 | ieatlint | alterego: is it from quim by chance? |
| 10:19.59 | alterego | ieatlint: the black one? |
| 10:20.09 | RST38h | Will be another year or two or three before a worthy Maemo competitor comes up =( |
| 10:20.11 | alterego | I bought my N9 .. |
| 10:20.16 | ieatlint | RST38h: i'm surrounded by people normally playing with arduinos who look at the n900 with a definite "meh" |
| 10:20.25 | ieatlint | alterego: the one you're getting |
| 10:20.38 | alterego | ieatlint: no, it's a Developer Champion welcome gift |
| 10:20.38 | ieatlint | but your response basically tells me no |
| 10:20.44 | RST38h | ieatlint: And what can they do with their arduino? Make a MIDI-connected dildo? |
| 10:20.56 | ieatlint | RST38h: spend $20, that's what |
| 10:21.00 | alterego | RST38h: there's the arduio drones |
| 10:21.03 | alterego | They look cool :) |
| 10:21.29 | RST38h | ieatlint: to me, it is $20 wasted; I am not buying a proto board unless I have a clear use for it |
| 10:21.46 | RST38h | s/a/another/ |
| 10:22.04 | ieatlint | i've a friend who hooked up two arduinos to run a ~1.2m x .7m LED display with the game of life |
| 10:22.14 | ieatlint | haha |
| 10:22.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:22.29 | MohammadAG | sadly the reason the N900 is popular here is because it has a keyboard and doesn't suck like the N97 |
| 10:22.50 | alterego | I never liked the N97 |
| 10:22.58 | RST38h | ieatlit: does not count unless it is illumination for the whole building, MIT-style |
| 10:23.16 | ieatlint | that the tetris on a building one? |
| 10:23.27 | RST38h | N97 keyboard had cyrillic "B" missing. Fail. |
| 10:23.59 | RST38h | (yes it is pretty much as if it missed roman "B" in English) |
| 10:24.01 | ieatlint | well, plenty of geek looked with envy at the n900 |
| 10:24.08 | ieatlint | but only after they saw it up close |
| 10:24.14 | MohammadAG | I liked the design |
| 10:24.15 | MohammadAG | And the OS |
| 10:24.22 | ieatlint | with the n9... i have random people asking about it |
| 10:24.51 | ieatlint | i liked it back before the new iphone was released |
| 10:25.00 | ieatlint | i was able to tell people it was a prototype iphone |
| 10:25.11 | ieatlint | was pretty funny |
| 10:25.14 | MohammadAG | So what? |
| 10:25.22 | MohammadAG | iPhone 5 |
| 10:25.36 | RST38h | iPhone 666, the Apocalypse Edition |
| 10:26.29 | RST38h | notes that the potential for religion-based anti-Apple campaign is greatly underestimated |
| 10:26.42 | RST38h | "What phone would Satan use?" etc |
| 10:26.54 | ieatlint | if you believe hard enough in apple, it'll even cure cancer |
| 10:27.53 | RST38h | ieatlint: you mean, Jobs did not? |
| 10:28.27 | ieatlint | i think the evidence speaks for itself |
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| 10:33.40 | Creteil | Hi all, can someone drive me step by step how I can add a site in the list of the last visited of web app on N9 ? |
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| 10:42.47 | ZogG_laptop | gri: morning =) |
| 10:43.00 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ping |
| 10:45.12 | Aranel | Creteil: you mean the start-up window on browser, don't you? |
| 10:46.03 | Creteil | Aranel, yes |
| 10:46.10 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 10:46.18 | Aranel | Creteil: here's the last step for it: http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=765&faq=9 , get it from Store and use it to your hearts content. |
| 10:47.04 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: have you played with mce.ini and leds? i couldn't make them work, though t did work for few people |
| 10:47.12 | Creteil | Aranel, but I have 2 new links added and I don't know how they come here ? |
| 10:47.27 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 10:47.38 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:47.41 | Aranel | Creteil: It adds them automagically, don't know based on which criteria. |
| 10:47.54 | MohammadAG | you need mce::LEDControl for the LEDs, and you can't get that |
| 10:47.58 | Creteil | :-( |
| 10:47.59 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: there are patterns of led behaivour on n9/50 |
| 10:48.09 | Creteil | Aranel, ok .. |
| 10:48.18 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, you seem to have ignored all my explanation yesterday about how we know that |
| 10:48.44 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you don't need it, just go to /etc/mce/mce.ini and find part for n950 (680) and change the settings |
| 10:48.53 | MohammadAG | NEED WHAT? |
| 10:48.58 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i probably did |
| 10:49.06 | MohammadAG | you can't activate the DBus pattern without that aegis credential |
| 10:49.13 | MohammadAG | see https://gitorious.org/harmattan-m6-utils/led-event-notifier/blobs/master/ledinterface.cpp |
| 10:50.12 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: but jonni did and it worked as well as i checked with damagedspline and we succeeded to turn on led while charging with screen on ( while it worked only with screen off) |
| 10:50.52 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, you're missing the point |
| 10:51.00 | MohammadAG | bme activates that |
| 10:51.07 | MohammadAG | no other apps activates the LED |
| 10:51.07 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: so? |
| 10:51.14 | MohammadAG | so it's only for charging |
| 10:51.33 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: there is communication builtin pattern in mce as well |
| 10:51.41 | MohammadAG | sigh... |
| 10:51.49 | MohammadAG | and what will activate that? |
| 10:51.51 | MohammadAG | nothing |
| 10:51.55 | ZogG_laptop | we are talking about different things man |
| 10:52.01 | MohammadAG | no, we're not |
| 10:52.10 | MohammadAG | you're talking about how the N950 has patterns for events |
| 10:52.15 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 10:52.17 | MohammadAG | and how it should blink if we "modify the file" |
| 10:52.22 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 10:52.26 | MohammadAG | which is stupid |
| 10:52.30 | ZogG_laptop | why? |
| 10:52.44 | MohammadAG | the patterns are there, we knew that before the N950 was even announced |
| 10:52.51 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 10:52.53 | MohammadAG | but no apps activate the pattern |
| 10:53.01 | ZogG_laptop | oh |
| 10:53.02 | MohammadAG | which is why I made https://gitorious.org/harmattan-m6-utils/led-event-notifier/trees/master |
| 10:53.10 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: ^ |
| 10:53.16 | MohammadAG | and it doesn't work due to aegis mce::LEDControl |
| 10:54.39 | Aranel | think no Zen Bound for N9 is sad. Can't we run Maemo games in a seperate environment like preenv? |
| 10:59.26 | ZogG_laptop | Aranel: you can try to build it on n9 |
| 10:59.41 | Aranel | ZogG_laptop: how come? it's closed. |
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| 11:01.13 | ZogG_laptop | i mean install |
| 11:03.54 | macmaN | MohammadAG: got n950z yet? |
| 11:04.00 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 11:04.10 | MohammadAG | well, third one, not the second |
| 11:05.49 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i'm trying to upload image with qnetwork |
| 11:05.57 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: mind for little help? |
| 11:06.16 | MohammadAG | sure |
| 11:06.20 | ZogG_laptop | i used your example and changed it fo my needs but the image upload is not working |
| 11:07.48 | ZogG_laptop | lemme show you code, wait a sec |
| 11:09.17 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:09.28 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.06 | ZogG_laptop | tried to do postData += file.readAll() as well but everytime i get file corrupt |
| 11:12.04 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ? |
| 11:12.25 | ZogG_laptop | with curl i just used to set key as key and image as filepath |
| 11:14.20 | MohammadAG | you sure you used filepath not @filepath with curl? |
| 11:14.45 | MohammadAG | also, you're feeding the filepath to the server as the image |
| 11:14.51 | MohammadAG | you need to do |
| 11:15.04 | MohammadAG | postData.append("key=YOUR_KEY&); |
| 11:15.20 | MohammadAG | postData.append("image=") |
| 11:15.32 | MohammadAG | postData.append(file.readAll()); |
| 11:22.26 | ZogG_laptop | playing with it now |
| 11:25.05 | ZogG_laptop | do not work |
| 11:25.24 | ZogG_laptop | should file be file://path or /path/ ? |
| 11:26.12 | gri | AAAAAAHHH |
| 11:26.17 | macmaN | MohammadAG: great, i can start with the OMP chant then :> |
| 11:26.20 | gri | ovi store signing has rendered my application unusable |
| 11:26.31 | gri | now I have to find out how to unpublish it as fast as possitble :( |
| 11:26.58 | ZogG_laptop | why do you want to unpublish it? |
| 11:27.08 | gri | since it can not be used |
| 11:27.21 | gri | I used the AID to store credentials |
| 11:27.28 | gri | but the ovi store signing has changed the AID |
| 11:27.39 | gri | so my application can't read it's own data |
| 11:27.44 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, you'll need to pass the actual data, not the filename |
| 11:27.49 | MohammadAG | why the AID? |
| 11:28.02 | ZogG_laptop | i'm trying to |
| 11:28.04 | MohammadAG | QApplication::setApplicationName() and QSettings() work fine |
| 11:28.09 | gri | I did not want to introduce a new token |
| 11:29.00 | ZogG_laptop | QFile img_file(file); |
| 11:29.06 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.08 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.31 | gri | MohammadAG: I mean account data saved by libsignon-qt |
| 11:29.59 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: what am i doing wrong? |
| 11:31.00 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, where are the API docs? |
| 11:31.14 | MohammadAG | did you see how my example appended headers and stuff? |
| 11:31.21 | MohammadAG | you'll need to do that if you're not doing it |
| 11:31.37 | ZogG_laptop | why do i need use headers? |
| 11:31.45 | tomma | to tell size of file |
| 11:31.53 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 11:32.05 | tomma | and give pointer to QFile in qnam::post() |
| 11:32.20 | MohammadAG | are you opening the file? |
| 11:32.31 | MohammadAG | img_file.open(QIODevice::ReadOnly) |
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| 11:34.14 | ZogG_laptop | no i didn't |
| 11:34.39 | MohammadAG | well that's problem no. 1 |
| 11:34.43 | MohammadAG | second is not using headers |
| 11:34.46 | MohammadAG | read my example agin |
| 11:36.19 | MohammadAG | alterego, I want to override closeEvent(), but I'm getting the MApplicationWindow from the cache in the system, is there a way to install an event filter |
| 11:38.45 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: all i needed to open file, it does work now |
| 11:38.47 | ZogG_laptop | thanks |
| 11:39.16 | MohammadAG | don't forget to close the file after reading it |
| 11:39.21 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, ^ |
| 11:39.38 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: k, but the problem is uploaded file is corrupted |
| 11:40.30 | ZogG_laptop | it's uploaded in terrible quality |
| 11:41.03 | MohammadAG | use headers |
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| 11:49.28 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ok trying to use headers as in your exapmle, it says i do not send api key =\ |
| 11:49.57 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.55 | Venemo_N950 | hey! |
| 11:55.01 | gri | someone here with an ovi account who can comment on my application? ovi store does not allow me to edit my comment or write another one |
| 11:55.14 | Venemo_N950 | I'm about to meet djszapi in person :) |
| 11:55.17 | gri | I want to warn people to not download my content .. |
| 11:55.24 | gri | Venemo_N950: heard that just from him :) |
| 11:55.43 | Venemo_N950 | who wants me to say hi for him? :) |
| 11:55.51 | Venemo_N950 | gri :) |
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| 11:59.27 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo_N950: me |
| 11:59.37 | ZogG_laptop | gri didn't get what's wrong with app |
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| 12:01.10 | gri | ZogG_laptop: The application uses libsignon-qt to securely store account data. The access to the account data is hardcoded to my AID (aegis application id). Unfortunately this ID changed due to ovi store signing and my application therefore can't save or read it's own account data. This means it is absolutely not usable |
| 12:03.19 | gri | the QA team seems to have tested with the unsigned package, so they did not encounter this error |
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| 12:08.01 | mck182 | hey guys, I'm writing my first app for n9 and I can't deploy it from QtCreator :/ fails at packaging -- http://paste.kde.org/174860/ -- how can I solve this? |
| 12:08.35 | mck182 | it's a subprojects project with qml ui and a library |
| 12:08.36 | gri | mck182: Did you modify the "rules" file with QtCreator? |
| 12:08.56 | mck182 | gri: yes...but only after I got this error |
| 12:09.00 | mck182 | didn't help |
| 12:09.13 | gri | QtCreator replaces tabs with spaces |
| 12:09.17 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, headers are dependent on your service |
| 12:09.19 | mck182 | oh yeah |
| 12:09.20 | gri | but the rules file needs tabs |
| 12:09.29 | mck182 | gri: it fails if there are spaces |
| 12:09.30 | MohammadAG | you still send what you send the same way |
| 12:09.34 | MohammadAG | but add headers to the request |
| 12:09.52 | mck182 | gri: saying "you wanted to use tabs instead of spaces" |
| 12:10.17 | gri | mck182: Ah ok, then I have no idea |
| 12:10.29 | gri | best thing is to never touch the rules file created by QtCreator :) |
| 12:10.48 | mck182 | well I didn't even know about them before that error ;) |
| 12:11.08 | gri | mck182: If you don't mind, you can just close QtCreator and delete that qtc_packaging directory |
| 12:11.19 | gri | it will create it again when opening the project |
| 12:11.20 | mck182 | gri: sure, let me try |
| 12:11.45 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: how do i figure out which one i need? |
| 12:11.54 | MohammadAG | read the api |
| 12:13.17 | mck182 | gri: ok, got a "can't find lib" error now |
| 12:13.28 | gri | which lib? |
| 12:13.35 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: nithing there i could find |
| 12:13.38 | ZogG_laptop | http://api.imgur.com/resources_anon#upload |
| 12:13.43 | mck182 | http://paste.kde.org/174866/ |
| 12:13.47 | mck182 | gri: my own |
| 12:13.53 | mck182 | that's part of the project |
| 12:14.39 | MohammadAG | did you set type? |
| 12:14.53 | gri | mck182: It already tells you what the problem is :) |
| 12:15.08 | gri | mck182: either change the RPATH of your lib or deploy it to /usr/lib |
| 12:15.10 | mck182 | gri: yeah, way better now |
| 12:15.22 | mck182 | gri: how can I change the rpath? |
| 12:15.46 | MohammadAG | are you doing an outside app or something integrated in gallery? |
| 12:16.02 | gri | mck182: Do you deploy the app and the lib into the same directory? |
| 12:16.12 | mck182 | gri: I /think/ so |
| 12:16.27 | gri | mck182: does the .pro of your lib have INSTALLS key? |
| 12:16.34 | mck182 | checks |
| 12:17.07 | mck182 | gri: ooh! yes, it is there |
| 12:17.27 | gri | where does it point to? |
| 12:18.22 | mck182 | gri: there's an if maemo5 { target.path = /opt/usr/lib } else { target.path = /usr/lib } INSTALLS +=target |
| 12:19.09 | gri | hmm |
| 12:19.21 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: my own app i just trying to use qnetwork instead of curl |
| 12:19.30 | gri | I think it would be much easier if you'd build the lib as a single package and install that to your device and development environment |
| 12:19.54 | gri | even though that does not work for ovi publishing but for testing |
| 12:20.03 | mck182 | I see |
| 12:20.13 | mck182 | althoug I'd love to get it to Ovi eventually ;) |
| 12:20.35 | gri | sure but I don't have any more time yet to try to help you :) |
| 12:20.53 | gri | I'm already late and have to leave .. |
| 12:21.19 | mck182 | gri: thanks a million anyway! |
| 12:28.35 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i succeed to do it using some example from internet but still don't get why that one worked |
| 12:40.45 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: can i query you? |
| 12:40.47 | ZogG_laptop | may i? |
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| 13:14.42 | BluesLee | ~aegis-no-thanks |
| 13:14.42 | infobot | i heard aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
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| 13:48.30 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: busy? |
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| 13:52.47 | MohammadAG | nop |
| 13:55.45 | ZogG_laptop | you are from ipone on irc? |
| 13:57.23 | ZogG_laptop | is it cimfy/ |
| 13:57.26 | ZogG_laptop | comfy? |
| 13:59.16 | SpeedEvil | I've used IRC from my n900, when my computer was down. |
| 13:59.21 | SpeedEvil | Worked OK. |
| 13:59.26 | SpeedEvil | Got up to 35wpm |
| 13:59.36 | SpeedEvil | That was however with hwkbd |
| 14:01.52 | ZogG_laptop | thats my point |
| 14:02.07 | ZogG_laptop | i use it on n9 sometimes but it's not the best way |
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| 14:08.28 | Lilltiger | Do anyone know how to fix the suttering sound issue on N9 when using skype calls? |
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| 14:13.39 | drclaw-123 | hello |
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| 14:14.15 | drclaw-123 | I am going straight ahead with my question: |
| 14:14.38 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 14:15.08 | drclaw-123 | I want to install the final package of my PR1.1 install .. mp-harmattan-340-pr |
| 14:15.10 | ZogG_laptop | Lilltiger: quality? than it's connection problem |
| 14:15.13 | drclaw-123 | via apt-get |
| 14:15.47 | drclaw-123 | however, apt-get install mp-harmattan-340-pr .. fails because aegis prohibits installation of libarchive1-2.8.0-4 |
| 14:16.41 | drclaw-123 | saying: libarchive1-2.8.3 is installed from com.nokia.maemo .. and it is trusted, yet 2.8.0-4 (also from that location) is not trusted |
| 14:17.07 | drclaw-123 | how can I force aegis to accept installation of that single deb file? |
| 14:17.34 | ZogG_laptop | are you rtying to update? |
| 14:18.08 | drclaw-123 | the phone is essentially updated .. except for this single package mp-harmattan-340-pr |
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| 14:18.34 | drclaw-123 | the device says it is pr1.1 .. but the update message is still on the home screen. |
| 14:18.44 | drclaw-123 | and it is big and annoying |
| 14:20.13 | ZogG_laptop | just reflash than or use nsu |
| 14:20.50 | drclaw-123 | but .. reflash will kill my apps, right? |
| 14:22.11 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 14:22.20 | drclaw-123 | :| |
| 14:22.29 | ZogG_laptop | ._. |
| 14:23.14 | drclaw-123 | so there is no way to make aegis believe that the 2.8.0-4 deb file is trusted after all ? |
| 14:25.12 | ZogG_laptop | you can download it |
| 14:25.23 | ZogG_laptop | and dpkg -i |
| 14:25.28 | ZogG_laptop | but u need dev mode |
| 14:26.07 | Lilltiger | ZogG_laptop, it seemd to be, althought i had full bars on the connection and was 30cm from the router.. had to put it on 5GHz N-mode only for it to work :( |
| 14:28.00 | ZogG_laptop | Lilltiger: it can be prob on otherside as well |
| 14:28.07 | ZogG_laptop | and internet on router |
| 14:28.58 | Lilltiger | wrks perfect from the pc |
| 14:30.36 | vihta | drclaw-123: dunno this specific case , sometimes export AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo helps to those aegis problems, |
| 14:30.40 | xmlich02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.40 | xmlich02 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.52 | ZogG_laptop | xmlich02: what is the error? |
| 14:32.57 | xmlich02 | segmentation fault |
| 14:33.45 | drclaw-123 | vihta: it now says only allowed in open mode |
| 14:34.39 | MohammadAG | <drclaw-123> and it is big and annoying |
| 14:34.41 | MohammadAG | I agree |
| 14:34.49 | MohammadAG | I want to stay on beta2 but hate that message |
| 14:36.32 | ZogG_laptop | i never got ota so i don't know how it looks like |
| 14:37.24 | MohammadAG | like this |
| 14:37.25 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1137854&postcount=5 |
| 14:37.27 | MohammadAG | annoying as fuck |
| 14:37.49 | MohammadAG | need some graphics editors' help |
| 14:38.57 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: wazd? |
| 14:44.22 | xmlich02 | i have found, that the crash is caused by content of xml file |
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| 14:45.20 | drclaw-123 | how exactly does aegis know what the source is? |
| 14:47.02 | SpeedEvil | The signature |
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| 14:49.09 | mpr | how do I access qml properties from c++ if the qml stuff is created by QmlApplicationViewer? the binding docs assume that you're creating a QDeclarativeEngine and QDeclarativeComponent directly in your code.. |
| 14:51.57 | Lilltiger | Is there any app/settings that can make my N9 to work as an audiodevice for my PC? |
| 14:52.25 | Lilltiger | over bluetooth that is |
| 14:53.12 | mpr | ah, I can just treat the viewer as the component and just do viewer->setProperty() etc? |
| 14:59.24 | mpr | ..or not |
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| 15:15.08 | jonni | mpr: depends what you want to do, you can do for example viewer.rootContext()->setContextProperty("multitouch", &touch); etc |
| 15:18.28 | jonni | mpr: or stackoverflow.com/questions/5709820/communication-between-c-and-qml |
| 15:20.11 | mpr | it's not very encouraging that the asker says that the top answer's suggestion didn't work for him :) |
| 15:23.41 | mpr | but ok, so I can get the QDeclarativeContext through viewer.rootContext(), now I have to just figure out how to traverse the qml hierarchy through that to get to a specific property |
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| 15:38.50 | villager | grr... is it supposed to be possible to see Qt Quick components for Harmattan in the Qt Creator's Designer? |
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| 15:41.04 | mpr | maybe it's supposed but didn't work for me, I'm just writing the qml like css or something and then executing to see the results :) |
| 15:43.04 | villager | okay, then it's not just me at least |
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| 16:15.23 | tarantism | Hi all, I've got a thin white border around my app that's driving me nuts. Looks like one pixel top and left and two pixels right and bottom. It looks like a deliberate border. Anyone know how to get rid? |
| 16:17.05 | tarantism | I'm using a QMainWindow. Qt::FramelessWindowHint doesn't help. |
| 16:22.13 | javispedro | is your app NOT running fullscreen? |
| 16:30.03 | mpr | btw how do you disable the black rounded corners? |
| 16:30.12 | TSCHAKeee | how can I tell the fake and the real N9's? |
| 16:30.23 | mpr | they don't fit very well to the environment when you're compiling for the desktop :) |
| 16:31.18 | tarantism | javispedro: thx. Just found it. QGraphicsView inherits QFrame and defaults to having a bloody frame. Who thought that was a good idea? |
| 16:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! |
| 16:32.52 | javispedro | hi Doc |
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| 16:52.07 | mpr | jonni: seems that that viewer->rootContext() also gives a wrong rootcontext, you have to edit the applicationviewer class to get the right one: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/11/qmlapplicationviewer-and.html |
| 17:00.04 | mpr | now it works, and yeah using those context properties is probably wiser than tying c++ code to a specific qml structure (if that would even be possible?) |
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| 17:18.18 | mpr | well I guess it would be possible through rootObject() |
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| 17:21.58 | Aranel | <qml question>How can I call sheet.open() from SomethingElse.qml? </qml question> |
| 17:22.30 | Aranel | I mean, I want to use it's sheet element on another, not identical qml file. |
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| 21:28.47 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: ping |
| 21:30.34 | mgedmin | ZogG_laptop, hi |
| 21:30.59 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 21:32.12 | ZogG_laptop | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/imgrup_0.0.3_armel.deb |
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| 21:35.58 | mgedmin | in the middle of something, will take a look soon-ish |
| 21:36.17 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 21:36.36 | ZogG_laptop | if i'm not answering i'm not here nymore |
| 21:40.03 | bemasc | Do I have to do anything to make my App have access to the camera? |
| 21:41.05 | bemasc | (maybe a setting somewhere in Qt Creator?) |
| 21:41.51 | ajalkane | bemasc: aegis credentials |
| 21:42.03 | ajalkane | aegis.manifest |
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| 21:43.18 | ajalkane | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Harmattan_APIs_that_require_credentials.html |
| 21:44.15 | bemasc | ajalkane: thanks! I'm not using any of those APIs though, AFAICT. I'm just trying to open /dev/video0. |
| 21:44.42 | bemasc | also, I don't have an aegis.manifest file (I guess it's not part of the Qt Creator project template) |
| 21:44.50 | bemasc | how do I add one? |
| 21:44.50 | ajalkane | bemasc: aegis is pretty comprehensive in it's quest to protect the developer from the device ;) |
| 21:45.28 | ajalkane | bemasc: start here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide.html |
| 21:45.32 | bemasc | that page says "In most applications, the SDK creates the Aegis manifest file automatically.", but maybe because I'm not using those APIs that logic doesn't trigger |
| 21:45.46 | ajalkane | Yeah if you access the dev directly, naturally not |
| 21:46.11 | ajalkane | There's this aegis.manifest file that you can create. See the docs, it has some examples to get you started. |
| 21:46.54 | bemasc | found it. "Creating the Aegis manifest file manually with Qt SDK" |
| 21:47.45 | gri | Don't use a hardcoded aegis AID in your program I found out today :P |
| 21:48.24 | bemasc | looks like my manifest.aegis is currently totally empty (0 bytes) |
| 21:50.29 | ajalkane | It usually is |
| 21:52.30 | bemasc | What's the deal with <for path="..."/>? Does everything get installed to /usr/bin? |
| 21:53.07 | bemasc | looks for /usr/bin/angrybirds ... nope |
| 21:53.10 | ajalkane | bemasc: no, that's just the path to the executable these credentials are applied to |
| 21:53.42 | bemasc | I'm pretty sure I want the credential GRP::video applied to my App, wherever it's installed. |
| 21:54.01 | ajalkane | yeah, but you must know where it's being installed :) |
| 21:54.23 | bemasc | oh ... Apps are really installed in absolute paths, like Debian! |
| 21:54.27 | bemasc | wow |
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| 21:57.23 | bemasc | ok, looks like the answer is "/opt" |
| 22:01.02 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: redownload it if you downloaded it already, added busyindicator (small for now) and added portrait lock |
| 22:01.16 | ZogG_laptop | i have luck that guys helping me to code it +) |
| 22:07.18 | bemasc | ajalkane: do you know how to get groups that aegis has associated with a running process? II'm still not seeing any video, and I'm trying to figure out if my manifest is having any effect. |
| 22:07.59 | gri | bemasc: "ps" to get the process id, then "accli -I -p <pid>" |
| 22:08.47 | bemasc | awesome, thanks. That does show GRP::video, so I guess I have some other bug... |
| 22:11.47 | bemasc | is an Appstderr/stdout logged anywhere? |
| 22:11.50 | bemasc | argh |
| 22:11.52 | bemasc | is an App |
| 22:11.58 | bemasc | ok, I can't type. |
| 22:14.19 | gri | logged to disk, no. But when you run it via console or QtCreator, you should see the output |
| 22:14.26 | bemasc | ok |
| 22:14.36 | bemasc | I'm seeing stderr, yeah |
| 22:14.49 | bemasc | maybe I'm getting stdout too |
| 22:15.20 | gri | I just use qDebug() from c++ and console.log() from qml - that's always visible for me :) |
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| 22:21.52 | bemasc | I'm using a library that spews stuff to stderr; just trying to make sure I'm getting max debug info. |
| 22:22.54 | gri | well, write something to stderr in the first lines of your main function and you will know |
| 22:23.22 | gri | as long as you don't use MApplication but QApplication the stderr output should be visible |
| 22:26.56 | TSCHAKeee | ok seriously, wtf |
| 22:27.12 | TSCHAKeee | ever since i upgraded to this more recent PR release, development has been pure hell |
| 22:27.33 | TSCHAKeee | now, for some reason, even though Qt SDK compiles, deploys, runs the app, I do not get an icon on my app screen. |
| 22:27.39 | TSCHAKeee | main menu rather |
| 22:27.42 | TSCHAKeee | grrrrr |
| 22:28.08 | gri | TSCHAKeee: do you use absolute paths in your .desktop file? |
| 22:28.26 | TSCHAKeee | i'm using Qt Creator |
| 22:28.41 | gri | that does not change my question |
| 22:28.47 | TSCHAKeee | how the hell would I know? |
| 22:28.53 | gri | open it? |
| 22:28.59 | TSCHAKeee | it's not like i'm manually creating it |
| 22:29.02 | TSCHAKeee | sigh. |
| 22:29.09 | TSCHAKeee | resists the urge to dunk gri into a trashcan |
| 22:29.42 | gri | well the .desktop file is somewhere in your directory |
| 22:31.05 | TSCHAKeee | hm, there was no desktop file in the build parameters.. I had to press add desktop file |
| 22:31.25 | gri | does not matter, inside the .desktop file is an Icon=/some/path line |
| 22:31.35 | gri | make sure the path exists |
| 22:31.37 | gri | then you icon will be visible :) |
| 22:32.06 | TSCHAKeee | I understand that, I've dealt with desktop files since 1997 when gnome was spawned from the depths of hell |
| 22:32.18 | gri | ok sorry |
| 22:32.38 | TSCHAKeee | no, it's okay, i'm being an ass. |
| 22:32.42 | TSCHAKeee | hugs gri |
| 22:33.07 | gri | I just can not guess your experience :) |
| 22:33.14 | TSCHAKeee | just a little irritated that i'm working on a _LARGE_ QML/Qt project that spans across multiple platforms |
| 22:33.21 | TSCHAKeee | and shit breaks a little too easily |
| 22:34.04 | bemasc | ok ... maybe I found a bug in Harmattan? /dev/video0 appears to advertise V4L2_CAP_STREAMING but not V4L2_CAP_VIDEO_CAPTURE |
| 22:34.22 | bemasc | i.e. a kernel driver bug |
| 22:34.44 | bemasc | that would only be detected by very meticulous userspace |
| 22:34.47 | gri | are the images are actually deployed? The icons usally work for absolute paths. Non-absolute paths I know there are some bugs |
| 22:35.35 | bemasc | hmm. Maybe /dev/video0 isn't the camera... |
| 22:35.39 | TSCHAKeee | *nod* i'm digging through the terminal to see wtf is going on |
| 22:45.31 | JackaLX | bemasc: `udevadm info -ap $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/video0)' might give you some clues. Also try /dev/video1 through to /dev/video6 |
| 22:45.41 | pawky | is there a way to set the initial volume levels for the N9 phone in relation to the volumes you can set in with the graphical interface? The speaker distorts heavily when setting the ringtone level to a high enough level so one can hear it. |
| 22:45.55 | pawky | some register somewhere that needa patch? |
| 22:47.33 | bemasc | JackaLX: yep. Looks like /dev/video1 is the camera. Unfortunately it also looks like the kernel driver reports an error on VIDIOC_ENUM_FMT. |
| 22:50.47 | bemasc | So the kernel driver is WAY out of compliance with the V4L2 spec requirements, and then Nokia has some sort of crazy user-space workaround built into gstreamer. Which sucks if you aren't using gstreamer... |
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| 23:13.15 | Venemo | hey everyone :) |
| 23:13.35 | Venemo | I've downloaded a Lumia 800 skin for the WP7 emulator |
| 23:16.44 | gri | does it look better now? |
| 23:16.52 | Venemo | yes! a lot. |
| 23:17.12 | ajalkane | I'm not sure what a WP skin has to do with harmattan, and I'm afraid to ask. It shudders my bones to think of WP skins on harmattan. |
| 23:18.05 | gri | my girlfriend tried to swipe to the task manager on a lumia today |
| 23:18.09 | Venemo | ajalkane :) |
| 23:18.36 | Venemo | gri, yeah, I try to swipe on every phone. I think I'm a swipe-addict. |
| 23:19.09 | gri | It's funny to see how she tries to swipe on every phone she does not understand |
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| 23:20.21 | JackaLX | I was amazed at how easy and quickly it was to get used to swipe. It just seems so natural. |
| 23:20.29 | Venemo | JackaLX, me too |
| 23:20.43 | Venemo | gri, so you have a lumia? |
| 23:20.56 | JackaLX | doesn't lumia have swipe? |
| 23:21.02 | Venemo | nope, lumia has wp7 |
| 23:21.13 | gri | Venemo: not yet, we took a look at one in a shop |
| 23:21.42 | JackaLX | yeah, I know it has wp7, but thought that would have swipe |
| 23:21.43 | ajalkane | Just get her an N9. A phnoe without a terminal, no gf would use that |
| 23:22.34 | gri | well, my gf is not a technician ... if she has her sms and telephone ui it's fine |
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| 23:23.07 | gri | that's why I can use her for ui testing |
| 23:23.15 | gri | if she does understand it, everyone does |
| 23:23.19 | ajalkane | hah, I'm using my wife also for UI testing |
| 23:24.10 | ajalkane | Women are great for that kind of thing. I'm always over-thinking stuff. Things that are obvious for me can be just confusing for many users. God bless women. |
| 23:24.18 | JackaLX | every developer should have at least one non-techy person they can use for idiot-proofing LOL I have wife and kids :-) |
| 23:24.27 | ajalkane | Well, not women per-se, but non-technical spouses :) |
| 23:24.47 | JackaLX | though my kids aren't staying non-tech for long |
| 23:25.00 | ajalkane | Kids are just so annoyiong fast learners |
| 23:25.07 | Venemo | :D |
| 23:25.18 | gri | my 12 year old brother already knows how to cheat windows passwords etc. |
| 23:25.38 | Venemo | ajalkane, JackaLX, gri, so, that's +1 reason for me to get a new gf? |
| 23:26.08 | ajalkane | Venemo: gf can be an abbreviation for a girlfriend, or a goldfish. A thumb up for either one. |
| 23:26.27 | gri | the fish won't cook |
| 23:26.37 | JackaLX | fish can't swipe |
| 23:27.01 | ajalkane | True true, but a fish won't disturb you from coding either. |
| 23:27.10 | ajalkane | No complaining about beer drinking either. |
| 23:27.25 | JackaLX | fish can't make you coffee |
| 23:27.32 | JackaLX | or fetch more beer |
| 23:28.37 | ajalkane | I've found it hard to convince my wife to fetch me more beer. Maybe I just had bad luck. |
| 23:28.42 | Venemo | ajalkane, I was thinking girlfriend. we've broke up with the previous one a couple of months ago. |
| 23:28.53 | Jare | is using the ui drunk sufficient for a non-techy person? |
| 23:29.30 | ajalkane | Venemo: ah that's bad to hear. Well, if you miss it, fetch a new one. I guess I would miss it after a while. |
| 23:29.42 | JackaLX | Jare: not really, when you're drunk you still know _what_ you want to do, you just can't physically do it :-) |
| 23:30.11 | gri | that brings me to the idea I should make a "drunk messaging" application with predefined texts like "Pick me up, I'm at the police" "Lost my keys" "where are you?" :D |
| 23:30.34 | Jare | JackaLX: darn, i shouldn't find a techy gf then ;) |
| 23:31.07 | ajalkane | gri: can you make the screen detect when you vomit on it? It'd be cool to send some predefined message when you're just so drunk all you can do is vomit on the phone |
| 23:31.44 | gri | I don't think so but the screen might detect whether you cover it completely with your face or not :D |
| 23:32.17 | ajalkane | It wasn't long ago I forgot on my drunken adventures my keys to the appartment. Of course my wife had the phone on silent. |
| 23:32.36 | ajalkane | Luckily I had the car keys, so I could warm up the car and sleep there. |
| 23:32.39 | ajalkane | Still sucked. |
| 23:33.34 | gri | there are always non-digital stones for windows :) |
| 23:33.51 | ajalkane | too bad I live in the highest floor |
| 23:35.23 | gri | well I once slept in the underground parking of my office since I forgot my keys, had no money for taxi and it was too cold - and the warm air of the airconditioning of our server room ended there :) |
| 23:36.02 | ajalkane | that sounds bad :) |
| 23:36.37 | gri | no, the warm air from the server room heats up the whole parking lot |
| 23:37.08 | ajalkane | hehe... so it's almost like sleeping on grass on a warm summer night |
| 23:37.21 | gri | like that, yes :) |
| 23:37.27 | ajalkane | with a bonus of sniffing that sexy server smells |
| 23:38.02 | Venemo | ajalkane, hehehe |
| 23:38.15 | Venemo | ajalkane, well, "fetch a new one" isn't that easy unfortunately. |
| 23:39.04 | gri | ajalkane: That was the only time I thought "hooray for non-optimized cpu-wasting code" :) |
| 23:39.59 | ajalkane | Venemo: true that. I guess the correct phrase would be "stumble on the right one". Meanwhile, there's many good things about being single, so enjoy them while it lasts! |
| 23:40.22 | JackaLX | Venemo: ebay? :-) |
| 23:40.48 | gri | still has no christmas present at all ... |
| 23:40.53 | ajalkane | gri: hehe yeah, such an incident would encourage me to install some SETI background CPU churning apps to keep the servers nice and hot all the time |
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| 23:48.22 | Venemo | ajalkane, hehehe :D |
| 23:48.31 | Venemo | JackaLX, thanks, but no thanks! |
| 23:48.38 | Jare | nice, hot and noisy ;) |
| 23:51.14 | ieatlint | you can get women on ebay? |
| 23:51.36 | ieatlint | here i thought you had to use craigslist |
| 23:51.42 | gri | no, mine is from a catalog |
| 23:54.39 | ieatlint | i'm pretty sure my landlord has a chinese mail-order bride... she barely speaks english and very obviously hates him with a passion, and there's more than 10 years age difference |
| 23:54.47 | ieatlint | based on what i've seen, save your money :P |
| 23:54.52 | ajalkane | Rumor mongering time... first time I've ever seen Elop saying a change in strategy is possible: "you always have to ask yourself if your chosen path is the right one. The mobile market has shown it can change quickly and radically, so we have to always track our strategy with the reality of the industry and make the adjustments—large or small—as necessary." |
| 23:54.53 | ajalkane | Before it was always "Plan B is Plan A is success" or something |
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