| 00:14.19 | ieatlint | yeah, i've had an n9 and an n950 die on the pr1.1 upgrade |
| 00:14.29 | ieatlint | it doesn't upgrade well |
| 00:14.50 | ieatlint | but look on the bright side, with nokia's plans for meego, you won't have to worry about updates |
| 00:17.18 | daniel_o | ieatlint: hahaha :D |
| 00:40.14 | beford | I had to flash after reseting the device Richlv, unable to install apps |
| 00:57.35 | daniel_o | did someone try nokia pulse yet? |
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| 06:30.23 | jonni | Richlv: you dont need to reflash necessarily, you can use rescue kernel to bootup once, and change developer uid to be 0, and then reboot to normal mode, and use developer account to reinstall busybox-develsu packages. |
| 06:32.00 | jonni | (that is possible because etc/passwd is not protected by aegis) |
| 06:36.31 | jonni | most of the errors can be solved without reflashing. |
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| 06:47.26 | psycho_oreos | jonni, you have N9? |
| 06:48.28 | ieatlint | you can also just flash the fw without flashing the mmc, so you don't really lose data |
| 06:51.09 | rwhitby | G'day everyone. Kernel and open source developer from another mobile platform (I run WebOS-Internals.org), and old OpenMoko contributor here. New N9 owner. Looking for pointers on where I can start reading up on homebrew development for the N9, preferably on the Mac, alternatively on Linux. |
| 06:51.27 | RST38h | wiki? |
| 06:52.09 | ieatlint | rwhitby: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 06:52.47 | rwhitby | In particular, where the is GPL source code release for the open source components on this device I just got? |
| 06:52.55 | rwhitby | s/the is/is the/ |
| 06:53.03 | rwhitby | ~botsnack |
| 06:53.03 | infobot | thanks, rwhitby |
| 06:53.38 | rwhitby | Is there something like http://git.webos-internals.org/ for open source N9 development? |
| 06:54.20 | rwhitby | (to be clear, I'm less interested in what resources Nokia provides for app developers, and more interested in what kernel and low-level folks do outside of that sphere) |
| 06:56.52 | SpeedEvil | I meant to start a project documenting the n9 hardware, as I had the n900, bit this hasn't gone far. |
| 06:59.10 | frals | the open source stuff is generally hosted on gitorious.org, the iso with the sources is mirrored at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ afaiu |
| 07:03.07 | rwhitby | frals: perfect, thanks. |
| 07:05.22 | rwhitby | looks like I need to read up on this aegis this - seems there's some "interesting" things being done by Nokia in this area |
| 07:05.38 | rwhitby | s/aegis this/aegis thing/ |
| 07:08.55 | rwhitby | frals: is there an aggregator for the items on gitorious, or just search for "N9" or "meego" stuff ? |
| 07:09.45 | jonni | psycho_oreos: I have few N9's and N950's |
| 07:10.07 | frals | rwhitby: dont think so, unfortunately, i guess finding the package name and then search for that would be the workflow that'd work |
| 07:10.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | interesting thing regarding aegis done by nokia? EH? |
| 07:10.55 | psycho_oreos | jonni, a few?!?!? |
| 07:11.15 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer51: hey, joerg from openmoko days? |
| 07:11.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 07:11.33 | rwhitby | g'day - long time no see |
| 07:11.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi :-) |
| 07:12.04 | luke-jr | (and he's working on GTA03 I hear :P) |
| 07:12.28 | rwhitby | is a nokia/meego/n9 newbie - please excuse the base-level requests for pointers |
| 07:13.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | np, yw |
| 07:13.10 | rwhitby | luke-jr: I still have 2x GTA01 and 2x GTA02 sitting here in a drawer ;) |
| 07:13.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis |
| 07:13.13 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 07:13.24 | psycho_oreos | jonni, how the hell did you managed to get a few N950? you work with nokia or something? |
| 07:13.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~no-aegis |
| 07:13.27 | infobot | i guess aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 07:14.18 | jonni | psycho_oreos: yes that helps ;-) |
| 07:14.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | psycho_oreos: bingo!! |
| 07:14.36 | luke-jr | speaking of which, just how much of Harmattan is open? |
| 07:14.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk, daywork o/ |
| 07:14.57 | luke-jr | jonni: wanna send me a N950? :P |
| 07:15.23 | psycho_oreos | jonni, eh I'm jealous lol |
| 07:15.29 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer51, bleh lol oh well |
| 07:16.04 | jonni | luke-jr: sorry I dont have any developer edition N950's anymore, only the R&D cert ones which cant be sent out. |
| 07:16.18 | luke-jr | jonni: aww |
| 07:20.15 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: do you sleep at all? |
| 07:20.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | jonni: write "DEVELOPER DEVICE Not For Sale!" on backside ;) |
| 07:20.52 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: yes |
| 07:21.06 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: fine by me, I have no plans to sell it :P |
| 07:21.40 | luke-jr | as much as I hate capacitive ts, the RAM is worth it |
| 07:21.53 | psycho_oreos | I think if you see it from a different perspective, DocScrutinizer51 was trying to tell jonni how to get it smuggled out ;) |
| 07:21.58 | RST38h | Moorning, Doc, Zog, all |
| 07:22.00 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer51: seems that link in ~aegis goes to a redirected page containing a list of links which all redirect back to the same page |
| 07:22.12 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: oh, like that's the only difference? :P |
| 07:22.46 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, well no, but for starters writing that on the back of N950 would probably make it less evident heh |
| 07:23.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | err the nokia link, rwhitby ? |
| 07:23.50 | rwhitby | yeah |
| 07:23.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: moo |
| 07:24.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | rwhitby: sorry, nokia tends to mess up yhat server |
| 07:24.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'll check and fix in ~11h |
| 07:24.37 | rwhitby | DocScrutinizer51: no worries |
| 07:24.53 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, did you apply for the devkit back when it was open? |
| 07:24.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | now for LTE :-D bbl |
| 07:25.36 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: yes, apparently they ignored people not doing Maemo (eg, Gentoo/me and Android) |
| 07:25.51 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
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| 07:28.00 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: LTE on GTA03? |
| 07:28.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | no gta03 planned |
| 07:28.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | ST-E Thorium chipset modem |
| 07:29.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | my daywork starts in 2min, so... |
| 07:30.04 | psycho_oreos | have fun? :) |
| 07:30.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: err, didn't you show me it a month ago? |
| 07:31.02 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: can you talk to your nokian friends as well for this -> https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492 |
| 07:31.08 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 492 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan |
| 07:31.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: gta04 by goldelico, no LTE on that one |
| 07:31.57 | luke-jr | oh right |
| 07:31.59 | luke-jr | 4 |
| 07:32.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | afk, for good now |
| 07:32.07 | luke-jr | ttyl |
| 07:33.51 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: that can be problematic, there is a reason why SDK only has PR1.0, even if oauth would come on some upgrade (which I'm not confirming), it doesnt help much if SDK stays PR1.0. |
| 07:34.33 | Richlv | jonni, ahhh. if i had known about such a possibility before, i probably would have not bricked my phone in the process :D |
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| 07:35.37 | Richlv | jonni, although i tried to uninstall that package using package manager and reinstall it, that didn't fix it |
| 07:36.17 | Richlv | so maybe somebody has an idea on what's wrong with 'download' button in that store not working after an upgrade and how it could be fixed w/o reflash ? |
| 07:36.56 | jonni | Richlv: that can be fixed too, ovi store problems can be fixed by reinstalling the signing keys debian package |
| 07:38.16 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: what is the reason of sdk keeping 1.0 ? |
| 07:39.09 | jonni | Richlv: apt-get --reinstall install aegis-ovi-source-policy |
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| 07:40.32 | jonni | Richlv: and apt-get --reinstall install nokia-codesigning-keyring |
| 07:41.10 | ZogG_laptop | i had this ovi problem, solved it other way |
| 07:41.34 | ZogG_laptop | i don't remember how but i actually solved it acidently |
| 07:42.25 | jonni | but basicly I had one device which didnt have signing keys after the PR1.1 upgrade, and I just reinstalled when and things started to work without reflashing |
| 07:42.38 | jonni | when=them |
| 07:43.06 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: does it involve only ovi store problem? |
| 07:43.42 | jonni | involved devel-su not working and ovi not working |
| 07:43.51 | ZogG_laptop | what i had is that download link is inactive and my stuff page has busy indicator forever |
| 07:44.18 | ZogG_laptop | reboots saved me till it didn't help too |
| 07:44.35 | ZogG_laptop | i remember how i solved it |
| 07:44.48 | ZogG_laptop | Richlv: log in to ovi from web |
| 07:44.50 | jonni | usually that is solvabe by using console apt-get or dpkg |
| 07:45.24 | ZogG_laptop | choose package and use send to phone via sms than click on sms link - it solved the problem for me |
| 07:45.35 | ZogG_laptop | can't promise anything |
| 07:46.05 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: if devel-su is not working how apt-get would work or user can run this too> |
| 07:46.08 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 07:46.37 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: by booting once with rescure kernel, changing developer account uid to 0, rebooting back to normal mode, and use apt-get |
| 07:46.43 | jonni | rescure kernel even |
| 07:46.54 | ZogG_laptop | meh too compllicated |
| 07:47.02 | ZogG_laptop | my solution worked fine |
| 07:47.10 | Richlv | jonni, mmmm, thanks - will try that on the weekend when i'll get access to that device again |
| 07:47.11 | ZogG_laptop | and i don't care about ovi |
| 07:47.29 | Richlv | ZogG_laptop, in this case 'download' link/button is kinda active, but hitting it does nothing at all |
| 07:47.36 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: are you familiar with xauth? |
| 07:47.43 | Richlv | but i'll keep this as a second option if reinstalling those packages will fail, thanks |
| 07:48.33 | ZogG_laptop | Richlv: the link in sms is just a link that trigers ovi and it worked, before it if i went to ovi and than choosed package download button was inactive as well |
| 07:51.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | google for 'ericsson thorium m700' |
| 07:53.13 | ZogG_laptop | hmm i think i need to develop transmission remote control |
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| 08:05.07 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: morning |
| 08:05.41 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Hi |
| 08:07.14 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: you still one of the admins of extra-devel on garage right? |
| 08:07.24 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Yes |
| 08:08.09 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: the guy i asked to build waze for extradev and apps.formeego had problem with both just wanted an advice from you |
| 08:08.45 | ZogG_laptop | both are buildidng in scratchbox, so if he can build on scratchbox on his computer it would build in both right? |
| 08:09.28 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/waze_0.0.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt - that one is for garage |
| 08:10.15 | ZogG_laptop | and his repo on meego's obs is closed to me to show you the error |
| 08:10.29 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: The only difference is that on autobuild the scatchbox env is always clean. |
| 08:11.13 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: In this case there is no qmake. |
| 08:11.33 | ZogG_laptop | but technically if he builds in scratchbox it would be built in garage as well? coz i think he used it as it is from qtcreator and it might be the problem |
| 08:12.02 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: I think he just needs to build-depends on libqt4-dev or something like that. |
| 08:13.29 | ZogG_laptop | [2011-12-20 19:38:41] Try to install static depends: libqt4-dev |
| 08:13.30 | ZogG_laptop | [2011-12-20 19:38:41] fakeroot apt-get -y -q -o APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated=1 install --no-remove libqt4-dev </dev/null |
| 08:13.33 | ZogG_laptop | ??? |
| 08:13.54 | X-Fade | Or where was qmake again in fremantle. |
| 08:14.53 | ZogG_laptop | i dunno as never build anything for it as far as i remmember |
| 08:16.30 | ZogG_laptop | but what is this error about ? make[1]: *** No rule to make target `../waze/waze.pro', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 08:17.25 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: and on apps.formeego as he said he got something like waiting for Qa-testing or something |
| 08:17.37 | ZogG_laptop | i can't see project - but it's https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=Waze&project=home%3Adamagedspline |
| 08:18.04 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: It is not submitted to testing yet. |
| 08:18.35 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: he needs to submit it? |
| 08:18.53 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: the app is pretty stable and working |
| 08:19.21 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Point him to http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit |
| 08:19.50 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i used tcpdump -i phonet0 -s0 -w /tmp/testdump |
| 08:23.51 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i run it and than opened foursquare and drive and get same results |
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| 08:42.58 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: thanks btw =0 |
| 08:43.01 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 08:51.29 | djszapi|hu | hehe, Lumia arrived yesterday morning :) |
| 08:53.41 | ZogG_laptop | here comes end to multitasking on any phone |
| 08:53.50 | ZogG_laptop | apple got patent for that |
| 08:54.29 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 08:54.41 | ZogG_laptop | i'm seroius |
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| 08:55.31 | ZogG_laptop | ~google multitasking in call apple patent |
| 08:55.47 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/personal-tech/smart-phones/232300946 |
| 08:56.01 | hiemanshu | ZogG_laptop: yes, but doesn't mean what yo usaid |
| 08:56.03 | hiemanshu | you said* |
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| 08:59.33 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: HTC phones are banned in USA coz they get phone numbers from sms =) |
| 09:01.01 | hiemanshu | ZogG_laptop: no they aren't lol |
| 09:01.06 | hiemanshu | or they got banned now? |
| 09:01.49 | ZogG_laptop | now |
| 09:02.22 | hiemanshu | oh yeah I heard something like that |
| 09:02.42 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.t3.com/news/apple-patent-dispute-sees-htc-handsets-banned-in-the-us |
| 09:02.51 | ZogG_laptop | it will coz that htc would remove it |
| 09:03.09 | ZogG_laptop | i think Jobs rest in piece =) |
| 09:03.23 | ZogG_laptop | in the time we get to Hell, he'll be boss their |
| 09:03.55 | hiemanshu | so many patents lol, just kill them all and let the problems solve itself :P |
| 09:03.59 | ZogG_laptop | patent trolling is such a stupid thing |
| 09:04.09 | Jeffrey04 | that's a bit ridiculous :/ |
| 09:04.19 | ZogG_laptop | i'll make patent on phone to make calls |
| 09:04.30 | ZogG_laptop | i'll be rith |
| 09:04.32 | ZogG_laptop | ritch |
| 09:04.39 | ZogG_laptop | rich |
| 09:04.44 | ZogG_laptop | damn how you spell it |
| 09:04.44 | hiemanshu | I'll make a patent on farting! |
| 09:05.00 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: there was patent on masturbation btw =) |
| 09:05.00 | hiemanshu | rich :P |
| 09:06.22 | ZogG_laptop | i don't get those judges who approves those patents |
| 09:07.17 | ZogG_laptop | i'll make patent on phone showing date and time |
| 09:07.34 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
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| 09:17.02 | Jeffrey04 | patent on sending nonsense messages through NFC LOL |
| 09:22.03 | ZogG_laptop | patent on using LOL on phone |
| 09:22.52 | Jeffrey04 | LMAO |
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| 11:23.01 | ZogG_laptop | with those systems just take any opensource make patent and than make a profit from other developer |
| 11:26.11 | Appiah | reminds me of Tandberg trying to patent stuff from x264 |
| 11:26.45 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 11:26.53 | ZogG_laptop | reminds me Apple |
| 11:27.06 | Appiah | :) |
| 11:27.07 | ZogG_laptop | we call it facetime, imessage i cloud |
| 11:27.11 | ZogG_laptop | icloud* |
| 11:27.19 | ZogG_laptop | iAnything - we made it |
| 11:27.53 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping |
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| 11:29.43 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Yep |
| 11:31.28 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: the garage project i told before, the guy says "but it is already have Build-Depends:...,libqt4-dev... The log file says its installing it (maemo)" |
| 11:32.07 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: check how other packages do it? |
| 11:32.37 | ZogG_laptop | and for apps.formeego - he said "meego publish request #3772" |
| 11:33.01 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: after i build package on obs, how do i publish it to apps.formeego.org ? |
| 11:34.54 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Check he link I gave you ;) |
| 11:34.59 | X-Fade | *the |
| 11:35.23 | X-Fade | His submit was stuck btw, due to some network issue we had yesterday. |
| 11:35.26 | Appiah | Nice to see some more applications poping up |
| 11:35.36 | Appiah | on apps.formeego.org |
| 11:35.53 | Appiah | gotta finish up applying as tester.. |
| 11:36.09 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: so does he need to re-request submit or you can do it manually? |
| 11:38.45 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: No, but he needs to setup his project properly. |
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| 11:38.53 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: As he didn't not build the app. |
| 11:39.38 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: He needs to add the proper repository as described in the submit wiki page. |
| 11:40.56 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i feel like a pipe, would try to convince him to visit IRC |
| 11:41.16 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Sounds like a plan :) You are way to good for him. |
| 11:41.35 | ZogG_laptop | lol what? |
| 11:42.06 | X-Fade | You're an enabler for his lazyness :) |
| 11:42.27 | ZogG_laptop | meh you have to see it the other way around |
| 11:43.18 | ZogG_laptop | he satisfied with n9apps and ovi and googlecode to put his packages, while i do carry about proper place where all apps are avilable |
| 11:43.43 | ZogG_laptop | so i convinced 2 developers already to put there apps there... |
| 11:43.51 | X-Fade | That is good :) |
| 11:44.09 | ZogG_laptop | calendar-feed is already in testing |
| 11:44.21 | X-Fade | Is already in apps even. |
| 11:45.13 | ZogG_laptop | and that guy is nice guy and has 3 apps, hebrew keyboars, waze and israel radio app |
| 11:45.45 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: you see, i'm not that good as developer but i do care =) at least more than Nokia =P |
| 11:46.06 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: I can fix his project setup. But maybe it is better to let him do it himself? |
| 11:47.46 | ZogG_laptop | i tried to build my app as well by wiki but got errors, but my app is alpha of alpha so i'm not in a hurry |
| 11:48.12 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Well, it is a wiki. If something is unclear in there, we can fix it :) |
| 11:48.36 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: For me it is al very obvious of course, so having another view is always good. |
| 11:48.38 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: meh, i think it was more my fault as i used it as "monkey sees - monkey does" |
| 11:49.36 | ZogG_laptop | i need to start working with scratchbox i think to understand things better |
| 11:56.50 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: he would try it tomorrow night again =) |
| 11:57.32 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Hehe ok, cool :) |
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| 13:03.20 | gri | It seems ovi forces me to use evil code because good code does not fit their content guidelines: https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/postinst#line34 |
| 13:03.21 | cyrus_N9 | does nokia changes the phone with crack above the camera? from forum I knee that it is very popular hw failure.. |
| 13:05.23 | ZogG_laptop | cyrus_N9: it's not exactly hw but it's technical failure |
| 13:05.28 | cos^ | any ideas why my app has updated version in ovi store, but the update manager doesn't show it? |
| 13:05.51 | gri | cos^: use the ovi store, this will show the update |
| 13:05.51 | X-Fade | cos^: Because that one doesn't show apps from ovi. |
| 13:05.55 | ZogG_laptop | cyrus_N9: and forum i *know* as "knee" reminds me "than i got an arrow in my knee" |
| 13:05.59 | cos^ | and please don't tell me ovi needs user to manually update everything |
| 13:06.07 | gri | they do since ovi is stupid |
| 13:06.14 | gri | hates them now |
| 13:06.20 | cos^ | o\ how can nokia fail so much |
| 13:06.21 | ZogG_laptop | cos^: by update manager you mean? ... |
| 13:06.50 | cos^ | ZogG_laptop: settings/applications thing, or the one which shows "updates available" in activities screen |
| 13:07.09 | ZogG_laptop | gri: cos^ if you have apps for free it would be nice to have them in apps.formeego.org, ask X-fade he is a fan of that project =) |
| 13:07.30 | cyrus_N9 | ZogG_laptop, what do u mean technical? |
| 13:07.41 | X-Fade | And in other news. We finally got the same aegis credentials als ovi :D |
| 13:07.51 | X-Fade | *as |
| 13:08.06 | ZogG_laptop | cos^: if you intall app and in same time you click update an other one and it adds to quequ than you'll it it in manager btw |
| 13:08.18 | gri | ZogG_laptop: I can't publish to apps for meego yet since it requires remote compiling and I compile a secret token into my application to reduce abuse of my server api |
| 13:08.19 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: not for testing right? |
| 13:08.39 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: We can decide that ourselves. |
| 13:09.02 | X-Fade | Still need to enable it, struggling with some issues still. |
| 13:09.07 | ZogG_laptop | gri: it's simple - do not show source code or do not include one file with token, X-Fade is it possible? |
| 13:09.27 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: but i'm happy alrady |
| 13:09.37 | gri | the source code is public, just the token is not |
| 13:12.02 | ZogG_laptop | gri: as far as i saw you can "not publish" your code |
| 13:12.23 | cos^ | ZogG_laptop: ok.. i think i'll upload to apps.formeego.org |
| 13:12.30 | ZogG_laptop | gri: just in deb make to include everything except th single file with token |
| 13:12.51 | gri | X-Fade: can you confirm this? |
| 13:13.29 | ZogG_laptop | cos^: thanks =) as well as it has client and it does have buildin update notifing s it's simply repo so it uses natife update notifing |
| 13:13.46 | X-Fade | gri: What? |
| 13:13.47 | cos^ | i can't believe nokia has failed ovi store so much. they really expect people to manually update each app? |
| 13:13.53 | ZogG_laptop | gri: you can make project and before uploading check it yourself |
| 13:14.13 | gri | X-Fade: can I compile something on obs and not publish the source? |
| 13:14.24 | ZogG_laptop | cos^: as well as install manually app by app after OTA update |
| 13:16.12 | X-Fade | gri: No |
| 13:16.42 | X-Fade | We are opensource only. |
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| 13:17.24 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: but i saw not - not to publish the project or in publish it means to push it to repos? |
| 13:17.42 | gri | X-Fade: Well, the source is available. The program is a client/server. To reduce abuse of my server I want to make sure that only the package I compiled can be used with my server. If one compiles the package himself, he/she also needs to setup a own server |
| 13:18.17 | X-Fade | gri: Then you are out of luck. |
| 13:18.32 | X-Fade | gri: Because we publish your source. |
| 13:18.36 | ZogG_laptop | gri: btw have you seen the bug about signon-oauth2 ? |
| 13:18.49 | gri | ZogG_laptop: which bug? |
| 13:19.05 | X-Fade | gri: And it is easy to branch a package on OBS. |
| 13:19.12 | gri | X-Fade: Ok, then apps for meego is a no-go for me until I change that behavior |
| 13:19.32 | ZogG_laptop | gri: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492 |
| 13:19.36 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 492 nor, Normal, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, RESO POSTPONED, signon-oauth2 (liboauth2) on harmattan |
| 13:19.47 | X-Fade | gri: Can't you just work with accounts? |
| 13:20.20 | ZogG_laptop | but i didn't get why they moved it to SDK and made it postpone, like they can't add it to nokia harmattan repo without including to PR ? |
| 13:20.44 | gri | X-Fade: you mean the accounts framework on the phone? I already use it but it's something different |
| 13:21.07 | X-Fade | gri: I mean on your web service. |
| 13:21.18 | X-Fade | gri: Then it doesn't really matter where the app comes from? |
| 13:22.08 | gri | X-Fade: then users would have to register at the service. The service only takes a job for the phone and executes it |
| 13:23.22 | X-Fade | gri: Extracting any token or whatever is easy when you monitor traffic. So it is not secure anyway. |
| 13:23.52 | gri | X-Fade: sure but more secure than having it plaintext in the source |
| 13:24.21 | X-Fade | gri: I don't think so. It only takes one person to post it on the forum or so. |
| 13:24.37 | X-Fade | gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense. |
| 13:25.01 | gri | well it was not made to stay forever but currently it's the only way |
| 13:25.13 | auenf | the plugins will still require a user/pass to send tho right? |
| 13:25.26 | gri | auenf: yes |
| 13:25.50 | gri | auenf: if you use a wrong token, the server denies your request; if you have the right one it does the job and you still need login credentials |
| 13:26.07 | auenf | so its a load issue you are trying to avoid with outside sends? |
| 13:26.08 | gri | so for anyone abusing the server it would be much more easy to simply compile the server on his own computer |
| 13:26.15 | gri | auenf: right |
| 13:26.15 | ZogG_laptop | gri: can't you make that app actually getting token from server? |
| 13:26.28 | ZogG_laptop | gri like oauth or xauth or whaatever? |
| 13:26.35 | gri | ZogG_laptop: then I could also leave it out |
| 13:26.44 | gri | oauth also includes an secret token |
| 13:27.10 | ZogG_laptop | gri: right, i'll publish my, as i don't care =) |
| 13:27.36 | ZogG_laptop | F the systems that are bad for opensource by default |
| 13:27.48 | ZogG_laptop | like not bad but opensource are bad for them |
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| 14:28.39 | ZogG_laptop | hm how does push notifications work? |
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| 14:29.37 | ZogG_laptop | how does it have to have nokia account being connected to be able to get those |
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| 14:51.23 | corecode | how do i add a progress bar in qt designer/qt quick app? |
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| 15:01.25 | hiemanshu | corecode: using qt components? |
| 15:03.51 | corecode | yes |
| 15:03.59 | corecode | somehow the designer doesn't work here |
| 15:04.17 | corecode | doesn't have all items it should have |
| 15:04.25 | corecode | no label nor button for example |
| 15:05.34 | hiemanshu | you have to write the code by hand yes |
| 15:05.56 | corecode | so what's up with the designer then? |
| 15:06.09 | hiemanshu | its useless for most of the QML stuff |
| 15:06.38 | corecode | not even the demo stuff works |
| 15:07.41 | corecode | i mean.. label doesn't work? |
| 15:07.45 | corecode | how is that possible |
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| 15:24.56 | jonni | nobody uses designer to dev apps, usually qml is edited by hand. |
| 15:25.28 | jonni | designer is improveing though, so maybe in futre releases its more usable |
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| 17:03.17 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
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| 18:57.57 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 19:16.51 | TSCHAKeee | is it possible to make widgets that will show up on the Lock screen? |
| 19:16.56 | TSCHAKeee | wants more than a "Notification" |
| 19:17.32 | daniel_o | like text messages do? |
| 19:18.35 | mgedmin | "remember the milk" |
| 19:18.37 | mgedmin | :) |
| 19:18.59 | TSCHAKeee | I want to place a transport control on the lock screen |
| 19:19.01 | mgedmin | I'd love for lpmcustomizer to be able to render a simple short text message |
| 19:19.24 | TSCHAKeee | so I can do some things like play/pause/ff/rew video/tv/audio etc inside the system |
| 19:19.44 | TSCHAKeee | (and yes, I am writing way more than a piece of crap simple LIRC remote) |
| 19:21.15 | TSCHAKeee | http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5wIPHlOrO1Y |
| 19:21.35 | TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3eaD0N0GME |
| 19:22.04 | TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pfd69CvgUY |
| 19:22.20 | TSCHAKeee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B5F3FfDpuU |
| 19:22.32 | TSCHAKeee | and yes, sorry, replace m. with www. in the first link... |
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| 19:25.21 | npm | wow i had my lumia 800 on for about one minute and it already wants me to reboot |
| 19:25.29 | npm | (to switch languages) |
| 19:30.05 | Mek | n9 needs to reboot for that too |
| 19:39.50 | RST38h | npm: does it show the blue screen of death? |
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| 19:41.48 | kimju | I powered the lumia up, selected language, rebooted and was presented with 30+ screenfulls of EULA. didn't feel like reading that, so powered the phone down and put back in the box. |
| 19:47.05 | TSCHAKeee | will Qt apps run on the Lumia? |
| 19:48.22 | nix-cyrus | TSCHAKeee: afaik there was a qt port to wp7.. |
| 20:03.52 | TSCHAKeee | nix-cyrus: no, there's not. |
| 20:04.29 | TSCHAKeee | is very angry that Nokia basically left a whole legion of Qt developers out to dry |
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| 20:06.36 | TSCHAKeee | my problem is, I have millions of lines of C++ code |
| 20:06.46 | TSCHAKeee | most of it is not UI code |
| 20:06.59 | TSCHAKeee | most of it implements a very complex messaging system |
| 20:07.11 | TSCHAKeee | that would take years to port to something else. |
| 20:07.21 | RST38h | TSCHAKeee: Just wait. The Beast has promised a native SDK of sorts |
| 20:07.39 | TSCHAKeee | RST38h: but will it work for legal app deployment? |
| 20:07.41 | RST38h | Otherwise, this C# based contraption of theirs is going to be useless for development |
| 20:07.42 | TSCHAKeee | that's the big question. |
| 20:07.51 | RST38h | If they release it themselves, then why not? |
| 20:08.06 | TSCHAKeee | RST38h: it's my understanding that code deployed in the app store must be managed code |
| 20:08.10 | TSCHAKeee | not native code. |
| 20:08.37 | TSCHAKeee | I do not like the fact that i have to tell a user to go through an extra set of steps just to install an app |
| 20:09.04 | TSCHAKeee | I know YOU don't care, most hackers don't. But I am a hacker, and I DO care about user experience..and little things like that piss users off. |
| 20:09.48 | TSCHAKeee | and yes, I am raising a stink about an app, that I give away, because it is a reflection on myself and my project. |
| 20:09.59 | RST38h | TSCHAK: Ok, here is a little bit of info |
| 20:10.38 | RST38h | Microsoft is known to have a native SDK for WP7 and make it available for "valuable" partners (i.e. not either of us) who absolutely required it to release their stuff |
| 20:10.45 | RST38h | This includes large game companies, Adobe, etc |
| 20:11.02 | TSCHAKeee | yup i figured. |
| 20:11.07 | RST38h | The native SDK is known as ISIS, I think, and should be more or less standard WinCE affair |
| 20:11.08 | TSCHAKeee | fuckers. |
| 20:11.25 | Richlv | so... better concentrate on n9 ? :) |
| 20:11.32 | RST38h | There are rumors that ISIS will be made available for everyone under some name or the other the next year |
| 20:11.39 | TSCHAKeee | I already am...for the....two people who will use this app :P |
| 20:12.11 | RST38h | does Android nowadays. Lots of users (mostly not very bright ones though :() and there is an NDK |
| 20:12.19 | TSCHAKeee | we are also doing an android port using Necessitas...but we're being bit in the ass how we need to store resources..we're overflowing quite a bit. |
| 20:12.30 | RST38h | Satisfaction wise though, it is nothing compared to Maemo community |
| 20:12.55 | TSCHAKeee | yeah, I love the Maemo community |
| 20:12.59 | TSCHAKeee | always have |
| 20:15.16 | RST38h | will honestly try to do WP7 porting, but only if he gets the native SDK |
| 20:15.23 | RST38h | No native - no doughnut |
| 20:15.26 | TSCHAKeee | same |
| 20:15.30 | TSCHAKeee | i have way too much code that needs it |
| 20:15.35 | TSCHAKeee | and we've standardized on a qml engine |
| 20:15.45 | RST38h | Not to mention WP7 having 0 market penetration |
| 20:15.51 | TSCHAKeee | yeah |
| 20:15.56 | TSCHAKeee | it's odd isn't it? |
| 20:16.07 | RST38h | At least, by screwing with the green robot you have a chance of earning some money |
| 20:16.12 | TSCHAKeee | i've seen... i can count on one hand, the # of windows phones in the street. |
| 20:16.16 | RST38h | TSCHAK: Why is it odd? |
| 20:16.33 | TSCHAKeee | i would have expected it to have SOME market penetration |
| 20:16.41 | TSCHAKeee | but i guess, it's just more of the same since Windows CE |
| 20:16.43 | RST38h | Well, it has *some* :) |
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| 20:16.52 | TSCHAKeee | where microsoft has consistently missed the point, since 1996 |
| 20:17.14 | RST38h | But it is pretty sad looking, with these huge ugly rectangles, vintage CGA colors, and hard limits on what user can do |
| 20:17.21 | RST38h | More like a feature phone |
| 20:17.26 | TSCHAKeee | mhm |
| 20:17.32 | TSCHAKeee | I love Harmattan |
| 20:17.35 | TSCHAKeee | it is beautiful beyond words |
| 20:18.01 | TSCHAKeee | and with that, I have to pack up the laptop |
| 20:18.08 | TSCHAKeee | airport to catch |
| 20:18.08 | SpeedEvil | waves. |
| 20:18.10 | TSCHAKeee | ;) |
| 20:18.12 | TSCHAKeee | later. |
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| 20:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | I realized a few hours ago (well maybe one) that HARM actually looks pretty much like WindowsPhone7, just like hooker800 is a twin of N9 |
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| 20:27.52 | jonni | just wondering what colors lumia comes, ie what color to choose :) |
| 20:28.58 | RST38h | pink! |
| 20:29.28 | jonni | black, cyan and magenda seems to be the options |
| 20:29.47 | RST38h | magenta is otherwise known as pink, after some approximation |
| 20:30.11 | jonni | I guess I'll take cyan then. |
| 20:31.10 | RST38h | really prefers black, but this whole Lumia thing reminds him of the mermaid joke |
| 20:32.02 | Richlv | jonni, as per your suggestion, i reinstalled aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring - that still didn't make store downloads work |
| 20:32.12 | Richlv | even did a "safety" reboot, nothing |
| 20:32.38 | jonni | whats the error message during install then? |
| 20:32.55 | Richlv | jonni, nothing. i can click/tap the download button, but nothing happens |
| 20:33.22 | Richlv | i could work for nokia qa, i guess. out of 2 phone upgrades 100% broken rate :> |
| 20:33.33 | Richlv | (different breakage even) |
| 20:34.27 | RST38h | "If you purchased something online from a mobile device in December, there's a 92% chance you used an iPad or iPhone. And if so, you probably spent more money than someone making an online purchase with an Android or a desktop computer." |
| 20:34.39 | npm | howcome the nokia maps app on lumia looks just like n8's ?? is it qt based?? |
| 20:34.59 | RST38h | runs on simulated symbian! =) |
| 20:35.12 | Richlv | wonders why is that spanish prostitute a topic here that often =) |
| 20:35.50 | RST38h | spaniards say the word is not being used this way, at least not in .SP |
| 20:36.02 | Richlv | it's supposedly some region only |
| 20:36.14 | Richlv | still, nice touch/message from the marketing team :D |
| 20:38.04 | Richlv | i don't want to reflash that phone :/ |
| 20:40.22 | Richlv | is there any logfile for the store app ? |
| 20:43.13 | jonni | Richlv: and you checked apt cache dir that there are no partitials in there, and also have tried that sms download? |
| 20:44.20 | Richlv | jonni, didn't check cache, trying sms download right now |
| 20:45.26 | Richlv | would i be checking /var/cache/apt/archives/partial ? |
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| 20:45.44 | Richlv | it has some files, but there are two games, apnews and userguide-content |
| 20:45.49 | Richlv | nothing else |
| 20:46.17 | Richlv | /var/cache/apt/archives has both aegis-ovi-source-policy and nokia-codesigning-keyring |
| 20:46.47 | jonni | apt-get --reinstall install ovistoreclient |
| 20:47.53 | jonni | and could also try "apt-get clean" |
| 20:51.24 | Richlv | jonni, thanks, ovistoreclient reinstall didn't seem to help, will try clean & reinstall all 3 of them, i guess |
| 20:56.47 | Richlv | jonni, nope, unortunately no difference |
| 20:56.51 | jonni | or maybe you need to reinstall package manager, but really wierd |
| 20:57.23 | Richlv | unfortunately, of course |
| 20:57.45 | Richlv | there is no cli ovi store client, i guess :) |
| 20:57.50 | Richlv | that could at least show some error |
| 20:58.09 | Richlv | hmm, can i run ovistoreclient via ssh -Y or something ? |
| 20:58.15 | Richlv | maybe it prints something to the console... |
| 20:58.40 | jonni | apt-get --reinstall install package-manager |
| 20:59.09 | Richlv | ok. anything after that (like reinstalling ovistoreclient again ?) |
| 20:59.32 | jonni | reinstalling once should be enough for any package |
| 21:00.12 | Richlv | right, just thought that there might be some dep |
| 21:01.28 | Richlv | well, still nothing :( |
| 21:01.36 | jonni | are you using wifi or 3g? |
| 21:01.38 | Richlv | (i just restarted store client, not the whole phone) |
| 21:01.40 | Richlv | wifi |
| 21:01.58 | jonni | since there are some issues if your behind wifi which has nat, which makes downloading not working |
| 21:02.02 | Richlv | it works on another, identical n9 sitting next to the problematic one |
| 21:02.28 | jonni | you could try 3g to see if its wifis fault |
| 21:03.13 | kimju | my n950 seems to lose wifi connection constantly, about 10 min is longest time it works at a time |
| 21:03.19 | Richlv | both same version of fw |
| 21:03.46 | kimju | 3g works much better |
| 21:04.13 | jonni | Richlv: but ifts behind nat, store might block the other :) |
| 21:04.39 | Richlv | well, to verify i just started downloading the same app that fails on one on the other one - that succeeded |
| 21:05.05 | Richlv | jonni, erm, why would it do that... so it would block everybody but one person in a cafe with a public wifi, for example ? |
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| 21:05.17 | jonni | are you using same ovistore username on both? |
| 21:05.19 | corecode | hi |
| 21:05.34 | corecode | is that PR1.2 on navifirm the official one? |
| 21:05.50 | corecode | did anything start updating via OTA yet? |
| 21:05.51 | jonni | there is no PR1.2 yes |
| 21:06.01 | jonni | s/yes/yet/ |
| 21:06.04 | Richlv | jonni, no, two different ovi store accounts |
| 21:06.20 | Richlv | i could try relogging to it, maybe... |
| 21:06.30 | jonni | corecode: whats the filename in navifirm? |
| 21:07.04 | jonni | Richlv: maybe try reloggin, or logging in with the username from working phone |
| 21:08.45 | Richlv | don't see a relogin option. i could try deleting that account & cadding it again, maybe |
| 21:08.45 | corecode | 22.2011.44.2 they say |
| 21:08.57 | jonni | 22.2011 = PR1.1.1 |
| 21:09.10 | Richlv | it threatens me that all content related to the account will be deleted. what does that include ? :) |
| 21:09.17 | jonni | so thats not PR1.2 |
| 21:09.45 | jonni | PR1.1.1 is only for asian market. |
| 21:09.45 | corecode | and 1.1.1 is nothing big? |
| 21:09.47 | corecode | ok |
| 21:09.49 | corecode | thanks |
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| 21:16.59 | javispedro | moo. |
| 21:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | mootoo |
| 21:19.38 | javispedro | have again a n950 =) |
| 21:20.14 | javispedro | how believable are those tmo rumours of increased battery consumption when dev mode is enabled? tbh I cannot think of a way to ensure |
| 21:20.49 | javispedro | ... mainly because without dev mode I cannot install any of the reasonable battery monitoring apps... |
| 21:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | err, there are pretty decent tools to do what we did with bq27200.sh on maemo/N900 |
| 21:21.24 | javispedro | see above, it's kinda of a chicken and egg problem |
| 21:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:21.34 | jonni | javispedro: dev mode doesnt install any running servers, so should not affect battery comsumption at all |
| 21:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:21.55 | javispedro | that's what I'd think.. |
| 21:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, how's about sshd? |
| 21:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | nfc if it wuns in !dev |
| 21:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | runs* |
| 21:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | anyway hooker800 is as dead a brick as N9 when standby time display screen disabled |
| 21:23.51 | javispedro | pft, hooker800 is awful tbh |
| 21:24.08 | javispedro | I am yet to put a sim into it, or to configure a wifi network, and it has hanged and selfrebooted a few times already |
| 21:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | I was pleased to notice that the manual for N9 will tell me how to disassemble hooker as well ;-P |
| 21:24.49 | javispedro | half of the applications in the hooker800 have a page long EULA |
| 21:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeahg |
| 21:25.57 | javispedro | specially annoying is that a few times the hooker800 has hanged on boot (!) |
| 21:27.14 | kimju | I gave up at the eula presented at first boot |
| 21:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 21:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | well, N9 at least has a white LED to indicate charging |
| 21:28.15 | javispedro | the initial impressions from the amoled screen were quite bad here |
| 21:28.25 | javispedro | I am however getting used to the weird looking fonts |
| 21:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | so all four are sitting here now, sorted down-to-top regarding "quality": hooker, next N9, next N950, and N900 on top ;-D |
| 21:31.45 | javispedro | save for the crapacitive screen, I do prefer the N950 by now |
| 21:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 21:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | maybe when one nice day somebody ports fremantle to it |
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| 21:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | I got like 50, 60, maybe 80 'apps' installed on N900, nicely sorted via apmefo. A nightmare to think how this would look like on HARM |
| 21:35.19 | javispedro | if I were to change anything on the harm launcher, it would be to get rid of the 3 views thing and dump everything on a single long list |
| 21:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | I got my ctrl-BS task switcher rotation, even with closing apps via shift-Q/W/E/A/S/D, no way to ever see this on that HARM desktop manager |
| 21:36.39 | javispedro | just realized btw that Fn+BS does task switch on Harm =) |
| 21:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | I got quite a number of bookmarks in microB, HARM is :-x here |
| 21:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | for whatever metrics of taskswitching |
| 21:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 21:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | MHD FTW |
| 21:38.58 | javispedro | btw, my rma with asus also ended this week, got that ddr3 card, but I was tired of waiting |
| 21:42.04 | Richlv | jonni, WOOT. deleted nokia store account there, added a new one (had to reset password, user had forgotten it..) - it WORKS NOW =) |
| 21:42.46 | jonni | ;) |
| 21:42.58 | jonni | good |
| 21:43.00 | Richlv | haha. battery too low to install anything after all these excercises :) |
| 21:43.10 | Richlv | come here, take a look at this usb cable... |
| 21:43.44 | Richlv | thanks for all your help, and boo to nokia store error feedback :) |
| 22:48.28 | psycho_oreos | I can't believe there's no vim |
| 23:02.58 | jonni | but there is vi |
| 23:08.10 | psycho_oreos | correct, the horrible vi that if you're not accustomed to it, you can make horrendous mistakes |
| 23:08.38 | psycho_oreos | and then there's nano for those who prefer nano over vi for whatever reasons |
| 23:13.32 | corecode | is there a trick for the terminal to use non-swype |
| 23:13.40 | corecode | or a useful swype config? |
| 23:13.57 | daniel_o | u can just switch to a different keyboard.. |
| 23:14.08 | daniel_o | or u want sth more simple? like automatic detection? |
| 23:15.08 | beford | swipe over the swype kb to get the standar US kb |
| 23:15.30 | daniel_o | or any other keyboard u configured ;) |
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| 23:54.16 | npm | is the amoled on the n9 as "dotty" (pixely) as the lumia's? |
| 23:54.24 | npm | (never had an amoled display before) |
| 23:58.26 | javispedro | I'd want to know that |
| 23:58.44 | javispedro | npm: btw, does your lumia also have that bluish tint when viewing from an angle? |
