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| 03:11.06 | scifig | Hi, N950 went to MALF state "Device not working properly". Any way to restore files in MyDocs before reflashing? |
| 03:11.58 | scifig | http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state didn't help. USB device not recognized on windows host. Nothing happens on Linux host. |
| 03:28.30 | scifig | Well, the pictures from N950 were not that great anyway. Reflashing... |
| 03:52.45 | ieatlint | you could also have unpacked the OCF, which would've given you the FIASCO image, and then flashed without erasing the mmc |
| 03:52.53 | ieatlint | which would've left MyDocs untouched |
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| 07:44.40 | Aranel_N9 | hotspot looks okay but doesn't show up on other devices, any ideas? |
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| 08:35.09 | auenf | some devices dont see ad-hoc |
| 08:35.22 | auenf | but you dont care, you didnt wait for 1min for an answer |
| 08:42.18 | hiemanshu | auenf: he waited for 3 mins :P |
| 08:43.18 | auenf | my point is still very valid :P |
| 08:48.58 | jussi | could someone point me to a guide to setting up a build environment for harmattan/walk me through it? Im running Kubuntu oneiric as my workstation. |
| 08:49.43 | jussi | ie. I want to build things packaged for harmattan with my own minor changes built in |
| 08:50.13 | nid0 | its quite annoying just how many devices dont see adhoc networks tbh :\ |
| 08:50.29 | jussi | or is there some build service like an ubuntu PPA, where you upload the code and it attempts to build it? |
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| 09:07.57 | tomma | jussi, you can use harmattan sdk in scratchbox or then download QtSDK and install harmattan toolchain which uses madde |
| 09:08.39 | tomma | and scratchbox seems more valid for your usage |
| 09:10.54 | jussi | tomma: is there a guide somewhere? or even better a build service where I can just give a nice git url and it builds it? |
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| 09:39.53 | jonni | on scratchbox you can just say "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" if you want to build debian package, for build service you would need to use public obs and play with .spec files |
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| 10:19.19 | wirwe | hi. i flashed my n9 and now some icons of preinstalled programms (like facebook-meego, twitter, phone, cam…) are shown twice on my home screen. how can i remove them? |
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| 10:32.18 | thp | wirwe: hmm if you flashed it, it should all be gone |
| 10:32.34 | thp | wirwe: did you check if there are any files in ~/.local/share/applications/? |
| 10:32.45 | jonni | wirwe: if reboot doesnt do the trick, then you can manually delete the duplicate .desktop files from filesystem |
| 10:35.02 | wirwe | ahhh, the .desktop files. that's it. thanks. |
| 10:58.33 | wirwe | ok, i figured out now, that one .desktop-file seems to contain two icons… so if i remove it, both icons are removed. btw: i don't have a .local-directory… |
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| 11:30.02 | faenil | morning people :D |
| 11:57.32 | jussi | how do I do private browsing on meego? |
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| 12:00.03 | SpeedEvil | Put a bag over your head, and operate the n9 from inside the bag |
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| 12:06.05 | deram | SpeedEvil: not considered private, unless you leave the phone in the bag |
| 12:09.23 | wirwe | jussi: there is a firefox-app, maybe this can do it… |
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| 12:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is "private browsing"? |
| 12:28.29 | Hq` | it's "don't leave browser history items for the porn sites you visit" |
| 12:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | so the question is "how do I delete browser history" aiui |
| 12:30.17 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: more like 'how do I delete browser history for the last X minutes' |
| 12:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I have a hard time finding any history on this crippled browser |
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| 13:01.36 | jussi | wirwe: where is the firefox app? I cant find it on the store? |
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| 13:26.02 | wirwe | jussi: it is not a official app, you shouldn't use it, if you don't have some experiences with terminal/root: <http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php?fldAuto=18&faq=9>, here is a how-to: <https://wiki.mozilla.org/How_To_Build_Fennec_on_Harmattan_SDK> |
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| 13:28.56 | wirwe | jussi: or a package build by others can be found here: <http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3647> |
| 13:42.38 | rZr | wirwe: i have a working package on my n950 , ask me if you cant find one working version |
| 13:43.30 | rZr | wirwe: i also built a minimal browser too |
| 13:44.13 | ZogG_laptop | what are you talking about? |
| 13:44.41 | rZr | privacy online |
| 13:44.44 | rZr | wirwe: http://rzr.online.fr/q/webbrowser# just published #HarmattaN #DeB of helium-mobile-browser #Qt #WebKit (#HtmL5Test=226+1) for #N950Club #N9? |
| 13:45.54 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: i dreamed to be pirate all my childhood |
| 13:46.44 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: any screenshots or description is welcome |
| 13:46.48 | wirwe | rZr: nice to know, thanks. |
| 13:47.00 | rZr | ZogG_laptop: does not worth it |
| 13:47.16 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: and can you delete IE tag from there it would scary people |
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| 13:47.40 | rZr | the screenshot ? |
| 13:47.56 | rZr | its a gtk window |
| 13:47.56 | ZogG_laptop | the tag |
| 13:47.58 | SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/10641371 |
| 13:48.22 | rZr | SpeedEvil: so true |
| 13:51.25 | rZr | http://s50.radikal.ru/i128/0903/aa/33397043ca65.jpg |
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| 14:05.10 | Mongkeybiz | I am looking for a Nokia N9 developer who can make SMS filter. Is that possible? thanks |
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| 14:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's a tricky question, probably depends on what's your filter supposed to do |
| 14:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | meh, drive-by asker |
| 14:27.59 | astraljava | Time is money. Apparently that one didn't have much. |
| 14:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | a pity, I was already warming up my arguments machine, to explain about aegis, and maybe introduce the whole thing with "I can *make* such thing, but alas you can't install it on your phone" |
| 14:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 14:30.44 | astraljava | Heh. |
| 14:31.05 | gri | sms filter is possible but the phone would still beep and then dismiss the message. But Monkeybiz is already gone, so he won't read this :) |
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| 14:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | how would you dismiss a SMS? |
| 14:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | is there a way to ack/delete SMS from underprivileged userland? |
| 14:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe the relevant token for this is actually available from OVI |
| 14:37.47 | gri | well, my app already inserts sms |
| 14:37.53 | gri | and it also can delete them |
| 14:37.56 | gri | so it's possible |
| 14:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | hey, inject SMS? :-D |
| 14:38.05 | gri | I also fetch the "new sms" notifications |
| 14:38.11 | gri | and delete them |
| 14:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | fake SMS? |
| 14:38.18 | gri | no |
| 14:38.29 | gri | sms is sent via webservice and inserted into message history |
| 14:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 14:38.38 | gri | so it's not fake |
| 14:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | so actually a fake SMS, basically |
| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | as it never been sent from phone, as SMS |
| 14:39.10 | gri | well, in my definition fake means "just show it and do nothing" |
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| 14:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | mock SMS |
| 14:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | sorry my english isn't that great |
| 14:39.53 | gri | meins auch nicht :) |
| 14:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | "simulated" |
| 14:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's amazing aegis lets you do this |
| 14:40.58 | lizardo | gri: which app is yours btw ? :) |
| 14:41.27 | gri | lizardo: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/web2sms |
| 14:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | HARM YAPS |
| 14:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, YAPS iirc only knew dial-in modem SMS gateways |
| 14:46.27 | gri | never heard of yaps |
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| 14:46.50 | lizardo | gri: nice :) does it handle captcha's ? my operator's website uses captcha |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | gri internet stone age |
| 14:48.39 | gri | lizardo: not yet, it's just released and we are working on getting the providers stable. The plugin system has to be changed for captcha's |
| 14:49.29 | gri | it took me 28 days to get this into ovi store :P |
| 14:49.59 | lizardo | gri: so you managed to solve that account path problem? :) |
| 14:50.17 | gri | officially not |
| 14:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | gri: when you used such things like 56k modems or ISDN, and internet was accounted by the minute online. There were dialin SMS gateway services that charged your phone bill for the SMS to send, and you used a special text only protocol to transmit the SMS data to that dial-in number with your modem |
| 14:50.27 | gri | I cheated them ... |
| 14:51.06 | gri | DocScrutinizer: I remember that but I did not know it's called yaps :) |
| 14:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | yaps way yet another pages service (iirc), a linux program |
| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | s/way/was/ |
| 14:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | pager* meh |
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| 14:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tei-lin-net.de/tip_yaps_01.html |
| 14:53.04 | lizardo | gri: I suppose they mostly check the .deb paths (e.g. dpkg -c) then? Anyway, I will try to avoid using the accounts API for now... |
| 14:54.01 | gri | lizardo: yes, they do "dpkg -x" and "du" in the extracted directory |
| 14:54.34 | gri | lizardo: So now I have evil postinst and prerm scripts that do the necessary parts |
| 14:55.06 | merlin1991 | gri: so you just move your crap in postinst / prerm? |
| 14:55.09 | merlin1991 | evil :P |
| 14:55.18 | merlin1991 | sry about crap I meant files |
| 14:55.21 | wirwe | hey it's not for nothing. Monkeybiz can read this in the irc log online^^ |
| 14:55.27 | gri | merlin1991: only translations are copied, the rest is only symlinked |
| 14:55.29 | merlin1991 | since it obviously provides funcitonality :D |
| 14:55.31 | lizardo | gri: unfortunately necessary because of documentation/communication issues :( |
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| 15:40.12 | gabriel9 | i don't know will i be online, but in any case happy new yea |
| 15:40.17 | gabriel9 | r |
| 15:41.38 | M4rtinK | gri: you mentioned having some experience with Ovi QA |
| 15:42.23 | M4rtinK | can you possibly help me make some sence of this testing report they sent me ? http://pastebin.com/uFqv7eJn |
| 15:43.17 | M4rtinK | I don't really get what they mean by "ACTUAL RESULTS: The application does not use the opt with error message "operation not pemitted."." |
| 15:43.47 | gri | M4rtinK: yeah, no clue. Do you install to /opt ? |
| 15:43.52 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 15:44.01 | SpeedEvil | I think they mean if they do their test with dpkg -x - that's what happens |
| 15:44.07 | M4rtinK | and when I run that command |
| 15:44.12 | SpeedEvil | dpkg -x ... - and they get operation not permitted |
| 15:44.18 | M4rtinK | it just unpacks to the temp |
| 15:44.32 | M4rtinK | folder and shows the opt and usr folders |
| 15:44.43 | M4rtinK | on the N950 |
| 15:44.45 | SpeedEvil | Is usr in the list of exceptions? |
| 15:45.05 | M4rtinK | yep - thats where the icon is |
| 15:45.16 | M4rtinK | and .desktop file |
| 15:46.11 | M4rtinK | and they also mentione the application not starting in the same mail |
| 15:47.14 | M4rtinK | I think their testing setup might be broken |
| 15:51.15 | M4rtinK | also AFFECTED DEVICES: N9 V10.2011.34-1_PR_001 |
| 15:51.34 | M4rtinK | is that PR1.0 or 1.1 ? |
| 15:51.57 | arcean | PR 1.0 |
| 15:52.34 | gri | they only test with PR 1.0 |
| 15:52.59 | arcean | no, my app was tested with PR 1.1 |
| 15:53.54 | M4rtinK | I think I'l just bump the version number and submit it again :) |
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| 20:16.07 | amppa | hi |
| 20:16.44 | amppa | would someone know how to deploy a library with a qt application? |
| 20:17.09 | amppa | i can get the library to be installed to /opt/foo/lib just fine |
| 20:17.34 | amppa | but can't figure how to make my application find it |
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| 20:22.07 | javispedro | amppa: you can add something like QMAKE_RPATHDIR += /opt/foo/lib to the application's .pro file |
| 20:24.15 | javispedro | in another topic, I find it funny that because of the glib vs qtcore duality that exists in harmattan, most applications open two connections to the system d-bus |
| 20:24.44 | javispedro | seems that glib-dbus and qtdbus couldn't agree the same way gmainloop and qcoreapplication do |
| 20:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 20:28.58 | amppa | javispedro: thanks, that fixed it right away :) |
| 20:30.07 | javispedro | amppa: yw |
| 20:31.36 | javispedro | oh I have like 30 terminals opened |
| 20:31.44 | javispedro | time to close them all, brb. |
| 20:32.18 | norayr1 | am I right that Harmattan kernel is open, drivers are available, and theoretically it is possible to recompile the kernul and get rid of aegis? |
| 20:40.29 | norayr | also, does harmattan have gtk out of the box? it has gpodder then it has to have gtk. |
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| 20:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | norayr: |
| 20:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis |
| 20:55.36 | infobot | i heard aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 20:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | norayr: alas aegis isn't simply a kernel module to get rid of, it seems that also some userland programs rely on aegis running, so you need a bit of meddling with a number of mounts and whatnot else to make e.g. accounts storage work when aegis got nuked |
| 20:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | norayr: mount|grep aegisfs |
| 20:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | norayr: we're still in the process of finding our way thru this maze |
| 21:01.47 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, you can simply compile your own kernel with no aegis. |
| 21:01.59 | SpeedEvil | The fun part is how much of the stoc software won't work if you do that. |
| 21:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | the fun part is if harmattan will even boot with such a kernel |
| 21:02.42 | norayr | mmm |
| 21:03.34 | SpeedEvil | That too |
| 21:03.57 | norayr | Also I remember I've read something about address book API |
| 21:05.06 | norayr | something like aegis prevents from editing address book to third party apps |
| 21:06.27 | M4rtinK | norayr: I got fremantles GTK sort of running, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79229 also, gPodder is using QML on Harmattan IIRC |
| 21:09.29 | norayr | hm |
| 21:16.30 | RST38h | MEANWHILE: Orangutans To Skype Between Zoos With iPads |
| 21:16.34 | RST38h | Good night, all |
| 21:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | I knew it - iPads are for Orang Utans |
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| 21:27.21 | jani | any ideas if there's something fishy with MLocale::addTranslationPath ? 88 MApplication app(argc, argv); |
| 21:27.24 | jani | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.00 | jani | i have that in my code and for some reason, the new path doesnt get scanned for catalogs .. |
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| 22:39.08 | jani | ok, got that solved and next effing issue is frigin aaegis.. meh |
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| 22:44.50 | jani | so, the big question is, i have the app working on proto device which requires certain aegis token .. installs and runs fine but on oem device, the api call fails .. im wondering if i publish the deb to ovi, it will start to miraculously work.. |
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| 23:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | depends on what tokens those are that you need |
| 23:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | and if they're available from OVI or not (and of course if OVI QA will accept your app) |
| 23:27.20 | jpwhiting | hmm, anyone know if I can install software from one firmware on a different region device? |
| 23:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 23:27.41 | jpwhiting | I have a eu N9 that has Facebook and twitter support, and an N9 from asia with QQ application |
| 23:27.47 | jpwhiting | but QQ application is not in the ovi store |
| 23:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, firmware |
| 23:27.55 | jpwhiting | any idea how I would do that? |
| 23:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | nah, actually just apps? should "just work" |
| 23:28.35 | jpwhiting | either add facebook,skype, etc. to the asian device, or add qq app to the eu device |
| 23:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, |
| 23:28.49 | jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: by copying all the files for the app itself? |
| 23:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's kinda tricky |
| 23:29.00 | jpwhiting | indeed |
| 23:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | won't work |
| 23:29.20 | jpwhiting | because of aegis? or because the app is part of the firmware? |
| 23:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | you also need to add the tokens to refhashlist, restok, whatever the names of those lists |
| 23:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | usually that fake dpkg does that for you, on installing an app from OVI |
| 23:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | when you simply copy the binaries, the refhashlist etc will miss the records for those files/binaries, since you didn't install via dpkg -i |
| 23:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | if QQ was available from OVI, there shouldn't be any problem. For pre-installed binaries though... :-S |
| 23:32.34 | beford | isn't it possible to create a .deb with the binary? |
| 23:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | not a signed .deb |
| 23:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | signed_by_OVI |
| 23:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | signed_by_Nokia |
| 23:34.03 | beford | but if he enables the thing that says install from unauth sources? |
| 23:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | that might work, for a number of apps which don't need special critical tokens |
| 23:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | some tokens aren't even available via OVI, only via Nokia |
| 23:35.18 | jpwhiting | can I check the qq app on the one it's on to see what tokens it needs/requires? |
| 23:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but don' |
| 23:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | t ask me how |
| 23:35.43 | jpwhiting | heh, ok |
| 23:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | look into restok or sth like that |
| 23:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | less /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf |
| 23:37.35 | flat` | huhuu |
| 23:38.33 | jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: qq and qq-guard in there both are empty |
| 23:38.38 | jpwhiting | just Package: and Source entries |
| 23:38.49 | jpwhiting | no Request or Object or anything else |
| 23:38.54 | jpwhiting | tries just copying |
| 23:39.53 | beford | I remember that javispedro did a script to run binaries after jsut copying them |
| 23:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | jpwhiting: then you might be lucky |
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| 23:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~may-i-edit |
| 23:42.34 | infobot | may-I-edit () { grep `basename $1` /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && exit; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 23:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | jpwhiting: ^^^ |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually that function is not complete - it's missing when the directory the file lives in is monitored |
| 23:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | as changing the file always also means changing the dir inode |
| 23:43.58 | jpwhiting | for /opt/meegoqq I would put meegoqq or qq in where basename $1 is? |
| 23:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | meegoqq and opt/ |
| 23:45.15 | jpwhiting | heh, all the libraries in the bin folder are matched :/ |
| 23:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | if /opt/ is a monitred resource, then you may neither add nor delete or edit any files in it |
| 23:45.22 | jpwhiting | so probably not |
| 23:45.48 | jpwhiting | ah, I may be able to add it to the other one, maybe it's not watching that folder since it doesn't know about it? |
| 23:50.28 | jpwhiting | ok, I was able to as root untar the files into /opt on the eu device |
| 23:50.41 | jpwhiting | turning it off and back on to see if qq appears in the home screen |
| 23:51.10 | jpwhiting | I don't think /opt is watched or protected, since I can install stuff there from Qt creator just fine |
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| 23:52.36 | jpwhiting | no qq in the home screen, probably missed something for that to appear |
| 23:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
