| 00:00.16 | jpwhiting | DocScrutinizer: perfect |
| 00:00.28 | jpwhiting | that and the icon file made it appear perfectly in the home screen |
| 00:00.34 | jpwhiting | thanks for the guidance :) |
| 00:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 00:01.41 | jpwhiting | tries to sign in... sweet it works! |
| 00:12.09 | javispedro | repeteadly hits the bugzilla.kernel.org site in vai |
| 00:12.24 | javispedro | I hate Linux more and more every day... |
| 00:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | DUH! |
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| 00:13.30 | javispedro | it's been down for god knows how long |
| 00:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, throw some names, like poettering, PA, startd, avahi, and I'll agree it's not that hard to start hating linux these days |
| 00:14.30 | javispedro | and of course, the gentoo guys decided for a change to be "fast" pushing the latest kernel version to the stable repo, and it doesn't even boot. |
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| 00:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | bwahaha |
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| 00:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | aegis, KDE4 |
| 00:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | deletes the dd cmd from root console |
| 00:18.53 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: you meant systemd, not startd !!1!one |
| 00:20.43 | javispedro | thank god |
| 00:21.08 | javispedro | a fix was commited on Dec 17 2011 for a problem I reported on Oct 18 2010 |
| 00:21.33 | javispedro | the commited fix is exactly the one line patch I suggested save for one extra whitespace |
| 00:21.47 | javispedro | needs one of those antistress balls |
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| 00:37.41 | jpwhiting | hmm, my wife's N9 has an old version on it |
| 00:37.46 | jpwhiting | swipe to close doesn't seem to work |
| 00:38.18 | jpwhiting | under product info it's not PR anything, just 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_232 |
| 00:38.33 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: lol, word "PulseAudio" managed to enter Kconfig, right there on the description of CONFIG_SND_HDA_PREALLOC_SIZE |
| 00:38.41 | jpwhiting | do I need to reflash to update it to PR 1.1 like I have? under updates it says the device is up to date |
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| 00:39.15 | auenf | jpwhiting, some variants of the n9 havent received OTA update of PR1.1 yet |
| 00:39.39 | jpwhiting | auenf: can it get the update over wifi? or only over a cell network? |
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| 00:40.09 | auenf | most variants have the update available through NSU |
| 00:40.22 | auenf | but that requires reinstalling apps afterwards iirc |
| 00:40.26 | jpwhiting | what's NSU? the windows app? |
| 00:40.30 | auenf | yes |
| 00:40.47 | jpwhiting | I can get that from the nokia website? |
| 00:40.52 | auenf | yup |
| 00:40.58 | jpwhiting | cool, thx |
| 00:41.04 | auenf | btw, i'm still waiting for OTA update also |
| 00:41.07 | jpwhiting | no worries, she doesn't have any apps installed yet |
| 00:41.12 | jpwhiting | besides what came on it already |
| 00:41.32 | jpwhiting | do you have the bug where swipe wont close stuff? |
| 00:41.38 | auenf | of course do a backup first, not sure what else has to be re-put in |
| 00:41.40 | jpwhiting | and nothing appears in her feed either |
| 00:41.43 | auenf | err, bug? |
| 00:41.45 | jpwhiting | ah, gotcha |
| 00:41.52 | auenf | in PR1.0, swipe down is off by default |
| 00:41.56 | auenf | you can enable it in options |
| 00:41.59 | jpwhiting | yeah, when I swipe stuff from the top to close on hers |
| 00:42.05 | jpwhiting | ah, /me looks |
| 00:42.26 | auenf | settings->device->display |
| 00:42.39 | jpwhiting | ah, gotcha |
| 00:42.50 | jpwhiting | how do you close apps with that disabled? O.o |
| 00:43.02 | auenf | from the multi tasking screen |
| 00:43.12 | jpwhiting | ah, long tap, right |
| 00:43.20 | auenf | or if the app has an exit option |
| 00:47.11 | jpwhiting | which most conveniently don't have |
| 00:47.40 | jpwhiting | meh, almost working just as well, thanks for the hints |
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| 01:04.29 | ieatlint | ok, just got the lumia 800 gift... |
| 01:04.41 | ieatlint | and i'm again into that whole shouting "WHY?!?!?!" mode |
| 01:05.26 | ieatlint | also, this may be the first nokia phone i've had in memory that doesn't give me info for *#0000# |
| 01:18.04 | javispedro | just wait until it crashes |
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| 01:42.52 | arekinath | please say it has a bsod crash screen |
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| 02:38.14 | Milhouse | ieatlint - even better when you try to call *#0000#, the dialog shows garbage |
| 02:38.32 | Milhouse | (on the 800, that is) |
| 02:45.00 | auenf | did n900 do *#0000# with initial PR? |
| 02:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 02:45.42 | auenf | i know it didnt do any other *# commands for ages |
| 02:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 OS and modem firmware both were from same manufacturer. Obviously nobody ever heard about *#000# in Redmond |
| 02:46.37 | auenf | hmm, does uiq do *#0000# |
| 02:46.51 | Milhouse | The thing is, many of these *# codes are "secret" Nokia codes.... obviously WP7 isn't a Nokia product |
| 02:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | that's not entirely true, it also did *06# |
| 02:47.38 | javispedro | the n950 does *#0000# even for skype calls =) |
| 02:47.52 | Milhouse | the 800 seems to respond to *#06# though (IMEI) |
| 02:48.46 | auenf | hmm, seems nokia 6708 does *#0000# |
| 02:48.59 | auenf | (which is a rebadged benq siemens uiq phone) |
| 02:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | what? nokia sells siemens relabled hw? |
| 02:54.26 | auenf | well, 2005 :P |
| 03:09.06 | javispedro | qt is great |
| 03:09.13 | javispedro | well, it will be great, some day. |
| 03:25.40 | Milhouse | quick lumia question - to transfer music and video to the 800, must you install this zune bloatware? there's really no drag & drop/mass storage support? |
| 03:27.00 | auenf | no msd in wp7 (afaik) |
| 03:27.32 | Milhouse | wot a load of shit... no way zune is going anywhere near my pc... |
| 03:28.03 | Milhouse | was already bummed i couldn't ssh the files across over wifi. |
| 03:28.09 | Milhouse | :) |
| 03:28.43 | auenf | http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2010/11/20/copy-files-to-a-windows-phone-7-device-in-windows-explorer/ |
| 03:28.51 | Milhouse | thanks |
| 03:29.11 | auenf | dunno if you still need zune tho |
| 03:29.23 | Milhouse | yeah, looks like you do |
| 03:29.42 | javispedro | you do |
| 03:30.02 | javispedro | w7 does install it if you plug the device, previously asking you "If you accept a large download to use this device" |
| 03:30.38 | auenf | without zune installed, does the phone install as just a device that wmp can see? |
| 03:31.48 | javispedro | no |
| 03:32.00 | javispedro | w7 autoinstalls zune, that's what I meant |
| 03:32.12 | javispedro | at least if you let it continue when asked |
| 03:32.16 | auenf | sounds like you need zune then |
| 03:32.19 | Milhouse | w7 hasn't auto installed much, if anything |
| 03:32.20 | auenf | msd ftw! |
| 03:32.55 | auenf | also, PR1.1 OTA needs to hurry up and show up... |
| 03:33.12 | Milhouse | i can see the Lumia 800 as a Portable Media Player in devices, but I can't do much with it |
| 03:33.27 | Milhouse | Apart from eject it |
| 03:33.41 | auenf | cant do that reg tweak? |
| 03:33.47 | Milhouse | Just as well I don't have any plans for this device. :) |
| 03:33.56 | Milhouse | auenf: can't find the zunedriver, not installed |
| 03:34.38 | auenf | sounds like wp7 cant live without zune |
| 03:34.49 | auenf | just like iphone cant live without itunes |
| 03:34.51 | Milhouse | i guess Zune is to WP7 as iTunes is to iOS |
| 03:35.28 | Milhouse | just so used to msd with nokia and hate having to install bloatware just to transfer my own media |
| 03:35.52 | auenf | zune is windows only |
| 03:35.56 | auenf | theres a mac connector |
| 03:36.00 | auenf | and nothing for lunix |
| 03:36.07 | Milhouse | there's a surprise. :) |
| 03:37.11 | Milhouse | mind you the same is true for itunes |
| 03:40.00 | auenf | btw, the way wp7 handles conversations looks interesting in screen shots |
| 03:40.14 | auenf | nfi how it'd be to actually use it like that |
| 03:41.05 | auenf | http://assets.hardwarezone.com/img/wp7-messaging.jpg |
| 03:41.20 | auenf | rather than separate conversation thread for different contact methods |
| 03:48.23 | Milhouse | wp7 does a few things better than meego-harmattan, but also a few things worse - for instance, I hate the text-heavy twitter view in the People Hub, and its complete lack of avatars which I use on the N9[50] to quickly identify the source of each tweet. |
| 03:48.49 | Milhouse | email on wp7 is better than m-h |
| 03:49.13 | Milhouse | obviously i've no idea about the media player... :) |
| 03:49.20 | Sazpaimon | sure is a lot of WP7 talk around here |
| 03:49.25 | Sazpaimon | did i walk into the wrong channel? |
| 03:49.40 | Milhouse | i guess a few have received their developer devices - don't worry, it won't last. :) |
| 03:49.58 | Milhouse | interesting to compare/contrast but then it will die down. |
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| 09:35.43 | RST38h | Moo? |
| 09:37.58 | dm8tbr | mmmoooooo! |
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| 10:33.33 | ieatlint | oooom |
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| 10:48.54 | ieatlint | man, i need a pink one http://i.imgur.com/aPQ2z.jpg |
| 10:49.00 | ieatlint | also, a larger bunny |
| 10:50.41 | SpeedEvil | 'I have no idea what you're talking about, so here is a bunny with a n9 on its head. |
| 10:53.06 | ieatlint | done http://imgur.com/YhOtX |
| 10:54.22 | dm8tbr | :D |
| 10:54.39 | ieatlint | too heavy for me to actually balance it there :P |
| 10:54.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:54.59 | SpeedEvil | That's why you use glue. |
| 10:55.04 | dm8tbr | dependency: large bunny |
| 10:55.20 | ieatlint | yes, if i used glue, my gf and a large number of other people would kick my ass |
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| 11:18.12 | auenf | <ieatlint> man, i need a pink one http://i.imgur.com/aPQ2z.jpg <-- err, the focus of the photo is on the bunny? |
| 11:18.32 | wirwe | hi. does anyone use a web.de-mailaccount on the n9 with the standard-mail-app and can tell me the smtp-configuration? i tried out different ports, but it just don't work. :-( |
| 11:20.07 | ieatlint | yeah, well, the bunny is an attention whore |
| 11:20.15 | RST38h | ieatlint: So, which phone is rabbit's? |
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| 11:20.51 | ieatlint | the n950 |
| 11:20.57 | auenf | all the ones without keyboards id say |
| 11:21.11 | RST38h | ieatlint: Oh no, the n950 is too precious! |
| 11:21.16 | SpeedEvil | I can only say that operating phones with ones nose is hard. |
| 11:21.47 | RST38h | Speed: Try doing it with your beak - the parakeet is having really hard time! |
| 11:21.48 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if rabbits have adequate fine motor conrol with their front paws. |
| 11:22.10 | ieatlint | he'd probably just get frustrated and start thumping |
| 11:23.16 | RST38h | Sped: I think you want these: http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/coon-suit-riot-0000040-v18n11 |
| 11:23.22 | RST38h | Speed: rabbits simply won't do |
| 11:23.48 | ieatlint | damn coons |
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| 11:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | wirwe: while I use web.de only from regular PC, I can help with info: there's nothing unusual with web.de smtp/pop3 setup. Just use proper authentication for smtp, and don't poll pop3 more frequently than every 15 min, otherwise you get "-EPOLLTOOFAST" |
| 11:31.42 | nid0 | wirwe: your mobile provider might be blocking port25 though, many do, if so you might need to use 587 or another alternate smtp port if they provide one |
| 11:31.59 | nid0 | (they = web.de) |
| 11:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | smtp.web.de:25 TLS |
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| 11:35.15 | wirwe | DocScrutinizer: I'm using imap for retrieving mail, which works. only the stmp-server seems to be a problem. which is the proper authentification for smtp? does it matter if i choose ssl or not? |
| 11:35.50 | wirwe | nid0: i already tried 587, but didn't work either… |
| 11:36.07 | auenf | wirwe, are you at least choosing login auth for smtp? |
| 11:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | TLS |
| 11:36.18 | wirwe | ah TLS ok, i try |
| 11:36.20 | auenf | iirc, 'none' is default |
| 11:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | TLS, server requires authentication, PLAIN, username = local part of your mailaddr |
| 11:38.14 | wirwe | auenf: normal password? |
| 11:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes, same password |
| 11:39.18 | auenf | generally smtp servers dont work without a login unless you are 'local' to them |
| 11:39.31 | auenf | ie, your ISP's smtp server wouldnt require a login |
| 11:39.39 | wirwe | does not work. :-( auenf: what meens i'm locat to them? |
| 11:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 11:40.05 | auenf | your account details should work with them i assume |
| 11:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | you noticed my comment about MINPOLL? |
| 11:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | it counts for *all* concurrently working mail clients, on all machines |
| 11:42.04 | wirwe | oh really? means i should close my mailprogramm on the pc? although i'm not using pop3, but imap? |
| 11:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | in former times they also supported pop3_before_send |
| 11:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | auth |
| 11:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter |
| 11:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | afaik imap isn't offivially supported by web.de anymore, anyway |
| 11:42.45 | jani | DocScrutinizer: last nights conversation, do you know if there's a list of tokens that ovi can grant ? |
| 11:42.57 | auenf | imap doesnt work in hotmail, but mfe does :/ |
| 11:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess you must not poll more often than every 15 min, no matter which method |
| 11:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | jani: good question, alas I have no clue |
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| 11:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | generally those that the SDE will ask for, as the SDE/IDE has a clue what's available from OVI |
| 11:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | but that's how it *should* be, might break though in real life |
| 11:46.02 | jani | as i have a creeping feeling that dsme::DeviceStateControl & mce::DeviceModeControl might be the ones that are only granted for nokia apps .. |
| 11:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | quite likely |
| 11:46.30 | wirwe | DocScrutinizer: hm, that's weird. i'm using imap on every device, although it's not supported with freemail, right.^^ ok i will wait a few minutes.^^ |
| 11:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | not supported means they stopped support, not that hey discontinued it completely |
| 11:47.23 | wirwe | okay |
| 11:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe I even confuse that with GMX |
| 11:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | MINPOLL also only applies to the free accounts, not to the paid ones |
| 11:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe those have a shorter MINPOLL |
| 11:49.19 | auenf | telnet to the server to see what error it gives for your account? |
| 11:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | HAH, they even changed the error msg recently, no more "MINPOLL bla bla" gibberish: "login only every 720 seconds allowed" |
| 11:55.34 | wirwe | auenf: am i doing it right? # telnet smtp.web.de |
| 11:55.35 | wirwe | Trying 217.72.192.157... |
| 11:55.35 | wirwe | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
| 11:55.51 | auenf | need to specify the correct port |
| 11:56.21 | auenf | ie, you are going to use telnet to attempt to connect to the imap or smtp service |
| 11:56.42 | auenf | you may want to look up imap/smtp commands before connecting so you know how to login and quit ;) |
| 11:56.55 | wirwe | auenf: right, with port 25 it seems to work.. ahh it's getting complicated xD |
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| 13:39.35 | auenf | rofl, meecast works in 2012 |
| 13:39.49 | auenf | but doesnt show any 2012 forecasts until you make it into that year |
| 13:40.04 | auenf | ohh, and something like 'happy new year' |
| 13:42.59 | faenil | hey people :) |
| 13:43.25 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 13:47.03 | tabasko | howdy |
| 13:47.22 | tabasko | is user:users permission right for /home/user -folder? |
| 13:47.47 | tabasko | I try install quake2 but fails because root has no write permission to /home/user :D |
| 13:48.10 | tabasko | in result quake2 is now only partly installed and there is green nameles icon in my homescreen |
| 13:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg *has* permissions to write to /home/user |
| 13:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | on HARM aegis changes the per-user permissions paradigm to a per-app token concept |
| 13:53.56 | tabasko | wow, confusing |
| 13:54.34 | tabasko | I actually tried first install quake2 with meecatalog app, but it also failed |
| 13:54.50 | tabasko | but Ill try dpkg, thnaks DocScrutinizer :) |
| 13:57.02 | tabasko | DocScrutinizer: changing permissions by hand may be bad idea? or is it even possible? |
| 13:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | this is a question nobody can answer with a simple yes or no |
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| 14:03.44 | wirwe | what's the current situation for openmobile acl for the n9? |
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| 14:14.27 | rZr | wirwe: vaporware ? |
| 14:22.08 | wirwe | RzR: okay, means it does already work, 'cause i read something different… |
| 14:22.15 | wirwe | ? |
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| 14:38.18 | RzR | wirwe: well i think we will know for sure on feb |
| 14:38.32 | RzR | after bcn wmc |
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| 15:46.29 | wirwe | happy new year! :-D |
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| 17:46.27 | javispedro | aegis error messages for "you messed xml syntax" can be quite weird |
| 17:46.54 | javispedro | I got "Manifest error: Manifest cannot have <! ..> elements" because I ended a comment with -> instead of --> |
| 17:47.30 | javispedro | the message is totally correct but it can confuse until you realize <! > elements are not comments |
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| 18:43.53 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 18:44.18 | ZogG_laptop | when i use post with Qnetwork i get response but when i use get i get no response at all |
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| 18:46.50 | ZogG_laptop | happy new year btw |
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| 21:20.29 | Sazpaimon | ffffffffffrrrrrrrrrrrr= |
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| 22:02.46 | aergus | I've been developing an application, testing it with the emulator and it seems to work fine. |
| 22:02.49 | aergus | However, people at Ovi Store's QA department and a friend of mine who has an N950 tell me that the application is not opened when the icon is tapped on a real device. |
| 22:03.03 | aergus | Has anyone experienced anything like that before? |
| 22:08.33 | ieatlint | sounds like it segfaults |
| 22:09.03 | ieatlint | ask your friend to execute it via the terminal and see if it outputs anything more telling |
| 22:10.46 | tomma | i bet it has something to do with applaunchd and not making main() visible |
| 22:10.54 | tomma | but anyway happy new year |
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| 22:18.23 | aergus | thanks |
| 22:19.04 | aergus | so I should probably #include <MExport> etc. ( http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/platform/html/libmeegotouch/launcher.html ) |
| 22:19.24 | SpeedEvil | aergus: You know of RDA?/ |
| 22:19.49 | aergus | SpeedEvil: no, what is it then? |
| 22:21.17 | SpeedEvil | http://apu.ndhub.net/devices |
| 22:21.27 | SpeedEvil | remote device access |
| 22:22.18 | aergus | wow, looks cool |
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| 22:49.08 | aergus | Alright; it was using "invoker --type=d", which could not load symbol "main", setting --type=m caused StyleCache() errors and finally --type=e seemed to solve the problem. |
| 22:49.21 | aergus | SpeedEvil: thank you very much for that remote access thing |
| 22:49.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:49.45 | SpeedEvil | Glad to help! |
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| 22:59.34 | aergus | So what are those 'invoking types' all about? e stands for "exec booster", the generic one. d is "declarative" and what about m ? (is it "meegotouch"?) |
| 22:59.38 | aergus | This thing is so important that an app doesn't launch if a wrong type is given, yet there is so little documentation about that. |
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| 23:07.14 | js81 | Hi, I was playing with the N950, I was trying to replace a file in /etc, now it does nothing I think it's in dead mode, is there anything I could do? |
| 23:08.13 | dm8tbr | reflash? |
| 23:08.34 | js81 | But it doesn't show at the pc :S |
| 23:08.39 | js81 | :'( |
| 23:11.41 | ieatlint | use OCF |
| 23:11.52 | ieatlint | don't plug in the phone until it says "waiting for phone |
| 23:12.11 | ieatlint | note: will erase everything on the phone |
| 23:18.52 | js81 | Oh thanks! it was indeed in some act dead mode, it's ereasing everything right now |
| 23:19.37 | Sazpaimon | RzR, ping |
| 23:19.48 | Sazpaimon | any way to swipe away rdesktop when it's in fullscreen? |
| 23:27.54 | faenil | Happy new year peopleeee :D |
| 23:28.07 | faenil | to all nerds on IRC during new years eve! :D |
| 23:32.11 | beford | >:| |
| 23:38.02 | aergus | I literally began the new year while writing a message to this channel :P |
| 23:39.31 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:39.35 | SpeedEvil | #freenode-newyears |
| 23:57.38 | ieatlint | i'm still back in 2011, suckers |
