| 00:00.13 | djszapi | the toolbar works fine though, but the background :/ |
| 00:33.58 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like that live calendar icon update finally kicked in |
| 00:34.05 | itsnotabigtruck | s/update/script/ |
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| 01:41.47 | djszapi | jonni: apparently, there are some issues with that page window stack style for the portrait and landscape settings. Need to figure out it with fresh mind after a short sleep. :) |
| 02:10.55 | itsnotabigtruck | so what's something cool to do with an N9 |
| 02:10.57 | itsnotabigtruck | shoot |
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| 02:15.07 | keithzg9 | Is apps.formeego.org down for anyone else? I haven't seen mention anywhere, but it's been unresponsive for at least a day for me... |
| 02:18.59 | ieatlint | down here too |
| 02:20.03 | ieatlint | opens a port, but i get nothing when i sent my get |
| 02:25.17 | keithzg9 | hmm, no ping response even. |
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| 04:08.17 | itsnotabigtruck | who administers apps.formeego.org, anyway |
| 04:08.35 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently a thomas ruecker from tu-darmstadt |
| 04:08.58 | itsnotabigtruck | that's dm8tbr |
| 04:09.20 | itsnotabigtruck | heh, didn't notice that was right in the whois |
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| 05:58.06 | beford | hello |
| 05:58.43 | jonni | djszapi: you are suposed to use png, using svg is a no no in harmattan. |
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| 06:14.35 | beford | so |
| 06:14.37 | beford | :C |
| 06:15.18 | beford | I submitted an app to the store but the reviewer claimed it only shows a black screen |
| 06:15.33 | beford | I've just retested the .deb I sent and worked on my devic |
| 06:15.55 | beford | PR_001 is 1.0 firmware? |
| 06:16.03 | djszapi | jonni: png does not work either |
| 06:17.32 | beford | anyone with PR_001 would like to test my app? :/ |
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| 06:30.48 | beford | :C |
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| 06:40.07 | dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: wrong, I own the formeego domains. apps is run by x-fade. |
| 07:21.00 | djszapi | jonni: do you have any ideas why my background image setting does not take effect ? I hope I do not need to set the size explicitely, if I just use showFullScreen from the C++ code. |
| 07:21.53 | jonni | djszapi: all the examples show that they use qurl like image:// or qrc://, dont know if that would help, I'll try to test it later today. |
| 07:23.00 | djszapi | jonni: actually, the example what you gave did not use either of them. |
| 07:23.22 | djszapi | you do not need qrc:// or image:// when you use a resource file, or just absolute paths for instance. |
| 07:23.58 | jonni | https://bitbucket.org/elemental/emumaster/src/4beba03945c1/qml/gallery/main.qml |
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| 07:24.56 | jonni | http://pastebin.com/MRfXR0xa |
| 07:25.37 | jonni | but I'll test it later, on worstcase you need to bind the png to currentorientation variable |
| 07:26.00 | djszapi | I can test it since it is two minutes two change that line :) |
| 07:26.03 | hiemanshu | you need qrc:// if you are accessing anything from a resource file |
| 07:26.09 | djszapi | wrong |
| 07:26.19 | djszapi | I have never used that, and it always worked. |
| 07:27.11 | jonni | yeah you dont need qrc:// when its in the same path as the loaded qml file |
| 07:27.17 | djszapi | jonni: qrc:/ in the example with one slash ? |
| 07:30.04 | djszapi | jonni: I was wondering whether I miss some setup in the main.cpp, but I think this is enough what I achieved in that file: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/main.cpp |
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| 07:45.04 | beford | hey, any one running PR_001? |
| 07:47.55 | thp | mgedmin: http://thp.io/2011/archive/calenderr.sh is the script if you haven't found it yet :) |
| 07:48.19 | thp | mgedmin: thread is here http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4925 |
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| 08:04.50 | BluesLee | damn, i had a data loss on MyDocs, but only with folders starting with capital letters |
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| 08:22.57 | jonni | djszapi: http://pastebin.com/L105X3ji that works, it doesnt work if you dont set "background" to some initial value. |
| 08:24.54 | jonni | djszapi: most likely because background default values is image:://theme etc, so its not pointing to you qrc path, but after setting it then cwd is in right path |
| 08:26.35 | djszapi | jonni: we should make a patch for the documentation. |
| 08:28.12 | jonni | documentation is kinda buggy, in my creator it even says read-only on all those values :) |
| 08:28.37 | djszapi | heh, thanks for the investigation. |
| 08:28.45 | jonni | np |
| 08:29.04 | djszapi | though, none of your aforementioned examples used the background property. |
| 08:29.19 | djszapi | ohh they used, sorry. misread. |
| 08:30.05 | djszapi | I will file a patch against the documentation today. |
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| 09:10.40 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: is apps.formeego making sopa protest as well? |
| 09:26.23 | mairas | ZogG_laptop, it's making a kernel upgrade protest :-( |
| 09:26.35 | mairas | we'll try to get it up soon |
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| 09:54.42 | kevin_b | Hello |
| 09:54.44 | djszapi | interesting, the password shipped with the Connectivity tool is not okay for developer. |
| 09:55.18 | kevin_b | djszapi : Did you reboot? |
| 09:55.22 | MohammadAG | BluesLee: fsck it |
| 09:55.38 | djszapi | kevin_b: no because I would get a new key then, and I would like to debug it more. |
| 09:56.46 | kevin_b | Don't you have to reboot always after dev mode engaged |
| 09:57.58 | Tronic | Any news on PR 1.2? |
| 09:58.03 | djszapi | kevin_b: nope |
| 09:58.12 | kevin_b | I always have too |
| 09:58.21 | kevin_b | replace/too/to |
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| 10:01.26 | tabasko | Tronic: no, but there is coming also 1.3 sometime :) |
| 10:03.42 | kevin_b | I wonder 1 thing: Isn't N9 and N900 almost same hardware? |
| 10:03.54 | djszapi | "almost" is relative :) |
| 10:04.55 | jonni | only thing same is the 2 first letters in the name |
| 10:05.01 | kevin_b | at least same CPU so same DSP and SGX? |
| 10:05.10 | jonni | different cpu |
| 10:05.19 | kevin_b | ha really |
| 10:05.34 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 10:06.19 | djszapi | jonni heh :) |
| 10:08.11 | kevin_b | ho cool, but it's still armv |
| 10:08.12 | kevin_b | 7 |
| 10:08.22 | kevin_b | so nothing really change I hope |
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| 10:08.44 | jonni | 3430 vs 3630, there is big difference in performance |
| 10:09.03 | kevin_b | ok but on the dsp api side I hope it 's the same |
| 10:10.00 | jonni | n900 will never be able to have fluent swipe ui because its just slow. but yes armv7 so you can recompile your old codes pretty easily |
| 10:10.20 | ZogG_laptop | hmm, saw the tweet from harmattan team saying pr1.2 till end next month - ral r not? =) |
| 10:10.47 | jonni | and dont know about dsp, there might be changes too |
| 10:11.35 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: no timetables in this channel. |
| 10:12.10 | admiral0 | ZogG_laptop: you have old news. PR 1.2 will be released yesterday- |
| 10:12.17 | admiral0 | :D |
| 10:12.51 | thp | X-Fade: apps.formeego.org still down - did you check out what the problem is already? |
| 10:13.19 | Tronic | PR 1.2 will be released yesterday, is not available and will be released by the end of February, and you are not supposed to say that here (but it is OK to say that on Twitter)? |
| 10:13.39 | Tronic | is confused |
| 10:13.52 | jonni | there is no release date, as there never is on any release. |
| 10:13.52 | admiral0 | mine was a joke :\ |
| 10:14.46 | djszapi | I am already bored with PR 1.2 ;-) |
| 10:14.54 | jonni | it comes when it comes, and speculation wont make it come any faster |
| 10:16.06 | flux | jonni, certainly Elop is on the channel with some secret nick, his hand hovering over the big red ReleasePR1.2-button? |
| 10:16.30 | djszapi | flux: what is the sense of speculating instead of doing something useful ? |
| 10:17.09 | flux | djszapi, I imagine the goal for for most is the passing of time without doing anything useful. |
| 10:17.24 | jonni | flux: you mean "Cancel the release, and let PR1.1 to be the last release"-button? |
| 10:17.38 | jonni | ;) |
| 10:18.09 | admiral0 | jonni: NooOOoOOo |
| 10:18.19 | kimju | or the "disable all harmattan devices, force people to switch over to windows phono"-button? |
| 10:18.52 | ZogG_laptop | thp: it's agains sopa thing =) |
| 10:19.10 | admiral0 | kimju: that would be upgade meego phones to wp7 |
| 10:19.26 | jonni | see the mental image when taking N9 to nokia care for repairs, you get wp7 device back :) |
| 10:19.48 | admiral0 | or wp7 as ssu |
| 10:19.54 | jonni | like current N900 users get symbian E7 when they they bring N900 to repair shop :) |
| 10:20.40 | ZogG_laptop | e7 instead n900? are you f kidding me? |
| 10:20.57 | kimju | since last spring or so.. |
| 10:21.00 | ZogG_laptop | good it wasn't 3310 =) |
| 10:21.23 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75129 |
| 10:21.33 | admiral0 | well, symbian is not so bad |
| 10:21.47 | admiral0 | i had 7610 before openmoko before n900 |
| 10:21.56 | admiral0 | used this a lot http://www.m-shell.net/ |
| 10:22.03 | djszapi | the intel stuff is way worse than Symbian. |
| 10:22.44 | admiral0 | djszapi: you mean tizen? |
| 10:22.59 | admiral0 | s/tizen/tizen-bada/ |
| 10:23.04 | djszapi | that, but meego too previously. |
| 10:23.28 | admiral0 | it still had clutter in |
| 10:23.37 | admiral0 | now they move to efl |
| 10:24.08 | djszapi | I hope I can explain in 5 years or so to my family and friends what nasty things Intel did ;-) |
| 10:24.16 | admiral0 | i coded efl for the openmoko freerunner... It's almost worse than gtk |
| 10:25.36 | rZr | :) |
| 10:25.53 | rZr | i coded on bada , and hated it too |
| 10:26.43 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: gtk is nice, stop it, ( not talking about what it is now) |
| 10:27.13 | thp | ZogG_laptop: ;) |
| 10:27.22 | ZogG_laptop | i heard tizen and bada are merged - new OS ? |
| 10:27.36 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: confused ? I was not talking about gtk. |
| 10:27.51 | admiral0 | ZogG_laptop: gets his djszapi mask |
| 10:28.23 | djszapi | on a more productive note: Is there a Harmattan Component element for the Toolbar where I can customize the icon of the tool in a clean manner ? |
| 10:28.36 | rZr | ZogG_laptop: i fear they will replease bada kernel w/ linux and add those h5 api |
| 10:29.00 | djszapi | the default iconIds which are available for use, do not cover my use case. |
| 10:29.02 | admiral0 | rZr: i tried to develop for bada. they had windows-only sdk... |
| 10:29.13 | rZr | djszapi: i've seen a such music player app that does that |
| 10:29.14 | admiral0 | so i said no |
| 10:29.26 | djszapi | rZr: in a clean manner without hacks ? |
| 10:29.29 | rZr | admiral0: you where right it was buggy as hell |
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| 10:29.50 | admiral0 | djszapi: you could install your icon |
| 10:29.52 | rZr | admiral0: the 1st ages it took me days to load my program on device |
| 10:30.04 | admiral0 | :\ |
| 10:30.09 | djszapi | admiral0: that is exactly a hack, if possible at all. |
| 10:30.21 | djszapi | I would like to use the qt resource system what it was designed for. |
| 10:30.44 | djszapi | not that few images outside, another images inside the binary. |
| 10:32.24 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it was to admiral0, my mistake |
| 10:33.06 | admiral0 | ZogG_laptop: C is not good for GUI programming, imo (and not only mine) |
| 10:35.48 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-toolicon.html?tab=1 -> Also, it would be nice if they can add the png links to the documentation just for checking them out briefly which one might fit better to you. |
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| 10:39.36 | djszapi | funky, they do not even have an info icon for the toolbar :) |
| 10:44.18 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/lamar-smith-sopa-copyright-whoops |
| 10:44.26 | ZogG_laptop | admiral0: C is good for everything =) |
| 10:46.08 | admiral0 | not for gui. it gets messy |
| 10:46.47 | ZogG_laptop | use just other layer for GUI |
| 10:46.49 | ZogG_laptop | that's it |
| 10:46.59 | djszapi | interesting, they have neither help, nor info icon :/ find /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons -name \*help\*; find /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons -name \*info\* -> does not return anything :/ |
| 10:51.38 | ZogG_laptop | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493 - took the almost month to just assign interlly =) |
| 10:51.45 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 493 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, better libxauth documentetion and usage examples |
| 10:52.40 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: there are holidays around Christmas and New Year's Eve, right ? |
| 10:56.18 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: oh,right |
| 10:56.25 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: we didn't have those =\ |
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| 11:17.07 | djszapi | wonders how hard to write a patch for ToolIcon to support qrc and filesystem png files from anywhere |
| 11:21.33 | djszapi | ToolButton works, but .. that is not a tool icon :) |
| 11:22.32 | djszapi | Honestly: I write more code instead of installing an icon separately, and not to put into the resource system. |
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| 11:30.58 | djszapi | solved with pure QML Image element :) |
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| 14:40.10 | faenil | hi everyone! :D |
| 14:42.20 | SpeedEvil | hey |
| 14:53.14 | djszapi | faenil: o/ |
| 14:53.23 | faenil | o/ djszapi :) |
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| 15:37.55 | Corsac | hmhm, so I tried to import some ~3000 sms messages to an e71 and now it can't open the messaging app :) |
| 15:40.16 | djszapi | apt-cache search gstreamer | grep tools -> why empty output ? I have the community repository added. |
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| 15:42.19 | djszapi | mmm, I had to add the beta3 repository because it was somehow gone, cool. |
| 15:44.15 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/189164/ -> what is this issue, mmh ? |
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| 15:45.29 | djszapi | and now, meh: http://paste.kde.org/189176/ -> I would just like to install the gstreamer tools package :) |
| 15:46.13 | djszapi | can anybody install the gstreamer tools package frm the beta3 repository via apt-get ? |
| 15:46.42 | kevin_b | so is harmattan a Meego? |
| 15:46.47 | kevin_b | is it compliant? |
| 15:46.59 | djszapi | pure compliant |
| 15:47.02 | djszapi | poor* |
| 15:47.03 | itsnotabigtruck | kevin_b: it's more maemo than meego, but it has some meego stuff thrown in |
| 15:47.23 | jonni | its the only Meego Phone that there is, so it doesnt need to be compliant :) |
| 15:47.34 | jonni | as there is no competition |
| 15:47.40 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's like a hybrid of maemo 5, meego, and some new nokia stuff |
| 15:48.14 | djszapi | does not experience too much maemo 5 thing |
| 15:48.18 | kevin_b | I'd like to know where to start what is the sdk for building custom package |
| 15:48.53 | djszapi | kevin_b: check the documentation ? |
| 15:48.53 | itsnotabigtruck | well for one, meego is an RPM distro |
| 15:48.53 | itsnotabigtruck | harmattan and maemo are DEB distros |
| 15:49.06 | itsnotabigtruck | and kevin_b: look up 'harmattan platform sdk' |
| 15:49.09 | djszapi | no, they are not |
| 15:49.12 | djszapi | they just debian packaging. |
| 15:49.20 | djszapi | but many other distro stuff are rather distinct. |
| 15:49.24 | djszapi | use* |
| 15:49.40 | djszapi | kevin_b: I think qtcreator is more for you than platform sdk |
| 15:49.43 | jonni | you are just saying that meego tablets and meego ivi are rpm based, meego phones are deb |
| 15:50.23 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: yup, because 'meego phones' (well, /the/ meego phone) isn't running meego per se |
| 15:50.37 | djszapi | even the packaging is rather different |
| 15:50.53 | djszapi | the dpkg wrapper addition is very hefty stuff, so could not really say it is a "debian based distribution". |
| 15:50.57 | kevin_b | djszapi : I dont need to develop ui app .. |
| 15:51.02 | itsnotabigtruck | afaict it's mostly the same with the exception of the new MSSF/aegis stuff |
| 15:51.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't mean it's completely different |
| 15:51.09 | kevin_b | I'm looking forward to port a lib |
| 15:51.11 | jonni | it is meego and has permission to use that trademark |
| 15:51.21 | djszapi | kevin_b: kernel developers use kdevelop and QtCreator for kernel development sometimes... |
| 15:51.28 | djszapi | it is not a real barrier seriously. |
| 15:51.51 | kevin_b | With QtCreator your have to use qmake or cmake i think |
| 15:51.52 | itsnotabigtruck | kevin_b: ok, so get platform sdk going |
| 15:51.58 | itsnotabigtruck | it'll give you a scratchbox environment |
| 15:52.05 | kevin_b | :) |
| 15:52.08 | itsnotabigtruck | you should then be able to use autotools to build your lib |
| 15:52.28 | itsnotabigtruck | i have no idea how you get qtcreator to build against stuff you did in platform sdk |
| 15:52.33 | kevin_b | thanks for the *pointer |
| 15:52.44 | itsnotabigtruck | the nokia docs suck, but they're worth a read |
| 15:53.09 | itsnotabigtruck | and keep in mind that you need to expressly grant privileges to the host app, for everything the library does |
| 15:53.23 | itsnotabigtruck | privileges = posix capabilities + some other stuff |
| 15:53.35 | kevin_b | does using dsp needs privileges? |
| 15:53.37 | djszapi | which is not an issue in 90% anyway |
| 15:53.37 | itsnotabigtruck | that's where the much-hated aegis security framework comes into play |
| 15:54.00 | djszapi | but, no you do not need to request those |
| 15:54.00 | jonni | there is no need to hate aegis, since you can bypass it if you want to. |
| 15:54.03 | djszapi | only just what is for the library |
| 15:54.14 | kevin_b | aegis is our friend :) |
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| 15:54.23 | SpeedEvil | Do you mean the actual DSP core in the chip? |
| 15:54.37 | itsnotabigtruck | using the omap3's dsp directly could be a bit of a challenge |
| 15:54.40 | kevin_b | yea the dsp chipset functions |
| 15:54.54 | SpeedEvil | I'm fairly sure that's going to be an issue. |
| 15:54.58 | kevin_b | it's already what they've done in gst, haven't they |
| 15:55.06 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you can do that without installing a module. |
| 15:55.07 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah but gstreamer is privileged code |
| 15:55.11 | itsnotabigtruck | i think |
| 15:55.17 | SpeedEvil | Or at least very low-level code. |
| 15:55.18 | itsnotabigtruck | also the dsp can only run one program at once, right |
| 15:55.26 | itsnotabigtruck | so your program necessarily involves clobbering gstreamer's dsp program |
| 15:55.28 | SpeedEvil | That's almost always going to be privilidged. |
| 15:55.54 | djszapi | anyway, can anybody install gstreamer tools package on the phone ? |
| 15:55.59 | djszapi | over wifi or so. |
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| 16:00.49 | kevin_b | I'm sure gstreamer will share a little bit of time process to me |
| 16:06.06 | djszapi | can anybody actually install anything from the harmattan beta3 repository ? |
| 16:06.20 | djszapi | signature failure all the time from there for any packages. |
| 16:06.35 | djszapi | (even if I download the package manually, then scp, and then dpkg -i) |
| 16:07.19 | djszapi | N950 - PR1.1 |
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| 16:10.44 | djszapi | even after reboot. |
| 16:12.47 | djszapi | M4rtinK: how is your gtk porting thingy ? |
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| 16:20.48 | admiral0 | decided, i'm going to openmode when PR 1.2 is out |
| 16:22.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ,bwahaha, you're going to wait for kernel sources when 1.2 is out |
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| 16:22.57 | khertan_ | Hello ... ! |
| 16:23.05 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer51: :( |
| 16:24.21 | itsnotabigtruck | does the gpl set a minimum response time? |
| 16:24.31 | itsnotabigtruck | if they insist on doing the whole dvd rigamarole, is there any way to get them to fedex it? |
| 16:24.47 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess if a finn requests the dvd, it should be quick |
| 16:25.06 | marsje | a finn that lives next door... |
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| 16:26.41 | jonni | there is no min response time, so it can be days or months :) |
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| 17:15.30 | SqRt7744 | anyone know how to get the feedreader to show the lists in landscape mode? |
| 17:15.59 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.34-0maemo2+0m6_armel.deb -> Has anybody tried to install package for instance ? I fail to get it work. |
| 17:16.20 | djszapi | SqRt7744: wfm |
| 17:17.21 | djszapi | SqRt7744: though, it may have become fixed by installing the relevant package from OVI store for the homescreen |
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| 17:20.27 | djszapi | SqRt7744: "Rotate Home Screen" app for free from Ovi ... |
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| 17:27.11 | SqRt7744 | djszapi, but I'm talking about the RSS reader program, not the feeds on the home screen... |
| 17:28.17 | ZogG_laptop | i hate that builtin rss reader can't play youtube videos and even properly show animated pictures (eg gifs) |
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| 17:31.38 | djszapi | SqRt7744: you cannot do that ... |
| 17:32.09 | djszapi | what you can do is showing on homescreen, and get my idea work t here. |
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| 17:36.15 | ZogG_laptop | divan: hey couch =) |
| 17:36.26 | M4rtinK | djszapi: I'm doing a Qt based GUI instead :) |
| 17:36.59 | M4rtinK | but anyone is welcome to help with the GTK porting, everything is in OBS |
| 17:38.07 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like appsformeego is now unscrewed |
| 17:38.09 | itsnotabigtruck | after several days |
| 17:38.19 | djszapi | M4rtinK: you sold your soul to the devil ? ;) |
| 17:41.30 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh, people need to start using the right fonts in their apps |
| 17:41.52 | itsnotabigtruck | the n9 uses nokia's new font for *everything*, so it's jarring when you see some third party app using arial or something everywhere |
| 17:41.53 | djszapi | font will be changing in PR1.2 |
| 17:42.08 | itsnotabigtruck | and? |
| 17:42.21 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not changing per se, they're adjusting the x-height iirc |
| 17:42.25 | djszapi | and app users might need changes of course. |
| 17:42.29 | djszapi | no |
| 17:42.34 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: sup |
| 17:42.40 | djszapi | wrong, actually the app will be over the height. |
| 17:42.42 | itsnotabigtruck | but that's a separate problem from what i'm talking about, which is using the wrong font entirely |
| 17:42.52 | djszapi | so more like y-wise anyway. |
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| 17:43.38 | itsnotabigtruck | it's called x-height because it's the height of an 'x' |
| 17:44.26 | djszapi | never heard of it. |
| 17:44.46 | ZogG_laptop | i heard of x-men |
| 17:44.50 | ZogG_laptop | coz they man of x |
| 17:44.54 | ZogG_laptop | men* |
| 17:45.45 | djszapi | ha ha :D |
| 17:47.00 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like the x-height is probably the same, they're changing some other height characteristic |
| 17:47.06 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.10 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, don't be so pedantic all the time, it's grating |
| 17:48.02 | ZogG_laptop | s/is/are |
| 17:48.15 | ZogG_laptop | why it never works for me =\ |
| 17:48.18 | itsnotabigtruck | oh shit, now i know why my alarm didn't go off - it honors the volume control, which i lowered to play angry birds quietly |
| 17:48.19 | khertan_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=KhtPasswdGen&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan <<<< grrrr |
| 17:48.32 | itsnotabigtruck | the alarm really ought to ignore the volume control, like on symbian |
| 17:48.53 | khertan_ | wiki say there was just two rule to change in debian/changelog to compile an shitty qml app for cobs from qtcreator |
| 17:48.56 | khertan_ | it s false |
| 17:48.57 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: so you are saying if you turnoff volume - alarm would be silent? |
| 17:49.01 | itsnotabigtruck | yup |
| 17:49.10 | djszapi | khertan_: there is already a password generator. |
| 17:49.24 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sounds like bug report |
| 17:49.40 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: hey man |
| 17:50.04 | khertan_ | djszapi, yeah but didn't follow the rule i use |
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| 17:50.34 | khertan_ | djszapi, and didn't like their firefox extension |
| 17:51.00 | itsnotabigtruck | khertan_: make sure to give your app a nice name on the home screen |
| 17:51.08 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. not khtpasswdgen |
| 17:51.17 | djszapi | khertan_: that is probably yet another one than I am talkin' about. |
| 17:51.21 | itsnotabigtruck | too many apps have cryptic names that don't look so good |
| 17:51.25 | khertan_ | KhtPasswdGen |
| 17:51.28 | khertan_ | i like it :) |
| 17:51.35 | khertan_ | it s not cryptic |
| 17:51.36 | khertan_ | :) |
| 17:51.46 | djszapi | I was wondering what Kht meant in the editor in the beginning. |
| 17:51.54 | khertan_ | :) |
| 17:51.58 | djszapi | but yeah, you are entitled to use that ... for sure ;) |
| 17:52.14 | ZogG_laptop | khtweeteur =) |
| 17:52.18 | khertan_ | kht ... khertan with less letter |
| 17:52.22 | khertan_ | s |
| 17:52.25 | khertan_ | khweeteur |
| 17:52.39 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: when is n9 version out? |
| 17:52.44 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 17:52.48 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess "Pwd. Gneerator" wouldnt fit |
| 17:52.48 | khertan_ | of what khweeteur ? |
| 17:52.58 | itsnotabigtruck | agggh, ssh lag strikes again |
| 17:53.06 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: yes =) |
| 17:53.07 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I tested for you so many things :) |
| 17:53.14 | djszapi | could you please test the debian package aforementioned ? |
| 17:53.31 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, probably when i ll be able to theme qwidget |
| 17:53.41 | khertan_ | i ll not rewrite it in qml |
| 17:53.46 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: link me it (you barely tested for me) |
| 17:54.02 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: can't u keep it qt? |
| 17:54.11 | khertan_ | and harmattan come already with a twitter |
| 17:54.13 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: see above |
| 17:54.21 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, qt isn't available on harmattan |
| 17:54.23 | khertan_ | just qml |
| 17:56.06 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, Khweeteur 0.7.3 available in extras-testing (fremantle) :) |
| 17:57.18 | djszapi | khertan_: qt is not available on Harmattan ? |
| 17:57.22 | djszapi | even qt5 ;-) |
| 17:57.54 | khertan_ | qt5 ... what can i say about it |
| 17:57.55 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: dpkg -i showed no errors |
| 17:58.00 | admiral0 | what? |
| 17:58.11 | admiral0 | qwidget is not available on harmattan? |
| 17:58.12 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: thanks. I do not know how to fix my issue here then. :/ |
| 17:58.52 | admiral0 | there is libQtGui.so.4.7.4 |
| 17:58.54 | djszapi | imho not, the ui is based on asm. ;) |
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| 17:59.28 | admiral0 | djszapi: it's lisp you dummy |
| 17:59.36 | khertan_ | admiral0, yep there is libQtGui ... did you try to use it ? |
| 17:59.39 | khertan_ | not themed |
| 17:59.50 | admiral0 | fortunately i've got the last page of the source |
| 17:59.55 | khertan_ | all text widget have vbk problem |
| 17:59.59 | djszapi | nor was it on Fremantle. |
| 18:00.11 | khertan_ | djszapi, it was on fremantle |
| 18:00.29 | admiral0 | khertan_: this can be fixed. we can do qwidget themes |
| 18:00.39 | khertan_ | admiral0, haha , did you try |
| 18:00.40 | admiral0 | we cannot fix meegotouchhome |
| 18:00.51 | djszapi | yes, open governance and all that jazz .. |
| 18:00.53 | admiral0 | and that pisses me off |
| 18:00.57 | khertan_ | yeh ... so no kinetic scrolling |
| 18:01.08 | khertan_ | and full of other problem |
| 18:01.09 | khertan_ | just suck |
| 18:01.10 | khertan_ | s |
| 18:01.26 | djszapi | port to qml, it is not that hard ... |
| 18:01.33 | djszapi | even such a huge project, like calligra could manage it. |
| 18:01.42 | admiral0 | nokia is full of fail ultimately :\ |
| 18:01.44 | djszapi | or the whole kde stack with plasma active to mobiles. |
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| 18:02.38 | admiral0 | and where did write once, run everywhere end? |
| 18:03.02 | djszapi | Unity3d stole that slogan ... :) |
| 18:03.09 | admiral0 | http://sadtrombone.com/ |
| 18:03.40 | admiral0 | if they make it run on GNU/Linux they will be justified |
| 18:03.45 | admiral0 | now they aren't |
| 18:04.00 | admiral0 | 2 platforms and bragging about "run anywhere"? |
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| 18:06.22 | ZogG_laptop | skins new season \o/ |
| 18:06.30 | admiral0 | today is too much pissed. |
| 18:06.36 | admiral0 | :\ |
| 18:09.41 | djszapi | admiral0: take a tea ;) |
| 18:10.01 | admiral0 | will make it worse |
| 18:10.22 | admiral0 | some violent Urban Terror frags could do though |
| 18:10.34 | admiral0 | or nuking my minecraft map |
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| 18:18.14 | ZogG_laptop | hugs admiral0 |
| 18:19.04 | admiral0 | awwww |
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| 18:44.08 | djszapi | What is the closest lookout in qml in comparison with QComboBox ? I guess SelectionDialog works, and maybe a button with a text triggering that ? |
| 18:44.22 | djszapi | with a text, as in the currently selected string. |
| 18:53.38 | tomma | that might be the best solution |
| 18:54.47 | djszapi | interesting why there is no such an element by default.. |
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| 19:06.50 | rm_work | What bands does the Lumia 800 have? I'm on T-mobile US, and heard I may not be able to get data.... |
| 19:08.04 | ieatlint | you'll get 2g/edge only, yes |
| 19:08.25 | ieatlint | it supports two 3g bands... neither of which are band iv/tmo-us 3g |
| 19:09.29 | rm_work | :( |
| 19:09.41 | rm_work | looking now though it says it supports 1900? |
| 19:09.53 | rm_work | which is t-mo 4g? |
| 19:09.55 | ieatlint | no |
| 19:10.01 | ieatlint | that's att |
| 19:10.14 | ieatlint | tmo is 1700/2100 |
| 19:10.27 | rm_work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart |
| 19:10.49 | rm_work | is confused then |
| 19:11.05 | ieatlint | hrm, have never heard of that |
| 19:11.30 | ieatlint | is from an article dated 4 weeks ago |
| 19:12.03 | rm_work | ah, apparently it is uncommon |
| 19:12.48 | ieatlint | yeah, the article says norcal, nevada and the pnw |
| 19:13.41 | SqRt7744 | am I the only person who has noticed that it is impossible to merge contacts? They are unmerged after a reboot. |
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| 19:14.20 | ieatlint | SqRt7744: you're perhaps syncing contacts from an external source that replaces them on a sync |
| 19:14.33 | ieatlint | merging contacts works fine here, etc |
| 19:15.25 | ieatlint | rm_work: you have me curious... will try putting my sim in this lumia device later today.. am skeptical i'll get anything, but who knows |
| 19:15.45 | rm_work | i am annoyed because I need to cut my sim to micro-sim to even TRY |
| 19:15.56 | rm_work | but then it'll be dodgy putting it back in my n950 if it fails |
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| 19:16.09 | ieatlint | don't put it back into the n950 if you try |
| 19:16.27 | ieatlint | don't use a microsim to minisim adapter on any spring loaded sim holder |
| 19:16.38 | rm_work | T_T |
| 19:16.43 | rm_work | then if it doesn't work, i'm fucked? |
| 19:16.51 | rm_work | have to buy a new sim? |
| 19:16.52 | beford | you ask for a new sim |
| 19:17.02 | ieatlint | it has a very high risk of damaging the contacts irrepairably |
| 19:17.27 | beford | most operators here don't charge for replacing sim, some charge very little :P |
| 19:17.41 | ieatlint | tmo-us will charge something stupid like $20 |
| 19:17.56 | rm_work | will tmo-us just give me a real micro-sim if i ask? |
| 19:18.00 | rm_work | or sell me one? |
| 19:18.02 | ieatlint | i just went to a tmo-us store and bought a microsim |
| 19:18.15 | ieatlint | have my minisim still, a phone call to customer service reactivates it |
| 19:18.19 | rm_work | if i I have to buy a sim-cutter anyway that will cost me 10-15 with shipping anyway |
| 19:18.37 | rm_work | so i may as well just go to tmo store and buy a microsim then |
| 19:18.41 | rm_work | and not bork my old sim |
| 19:18.45 | ieatlint | yep |
| 19:18.50 | rm_work | looks up tmo stores |
| 19:18.53 | rm_work | how long does it take them |
| 19:18.58 | beford | not sure if you can get two sims for the same line |
| 19:19.05 | beford | they will probably deactivate the old one |
| 19:19.07 | rm_work | they'll probably deactivate one |
| 19:19.08 | rm_work | yeah |
| 19:19.09 | ieatlint | they just need the number on the sim card to activate it, and you can call up and change back to the old sim anytime |
| 19:19.14 | ieatlint | switch takes <10min |
| 19:19.18 | rm_work | but like he said, can prolly just call them to switch back |
| 19:19.23 | rm_work | yeah] |
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| 19:19.47 | ieatlint | rm_work: call ahead though |
| 19:19.54 | ieatlint | they have trouble keeping them in stock out here anyway |
| 19:20.01 | ieatlint | enough people with iphones i guess |
| 19:20.10 | ieatlint | amazon.com sells them too |
| 19:20.41 | rm_work | sells micro-sims?! |
| 19:20.52 | rm_work | i was shopping on amazon for the cutters... |
| 19:20.55 | ieatlint | http://www.amazon.com/T-Mobile-stick-together-Micro-SIM-pre-paid/dp/B003PQHMEI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327000818&sr=8-1 for instance (several others there doing it too) |
| 19:20.57 | rm_work | didn't even think to just look for a sim |
| 19:21.17 | rm_work | lol $7.50 |
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| 19:25.55 | beford | btw, anyone still running PR 1.0? how am I supposed to test apps for ovistore with 1.0 if I can't downgrade :/ |
| 19:27.42 | mgedmin | my N950 has PR 1.0, because OTA upgrade fails obscurely |
| 19:27.58 | ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Remote_device_access/ might be pr1.0? |
| 19:29.12 | ieatlint | nope, just looked, all pr1.1 there, heh |
| 19:29.38 | SpeedEvil | It would be quite reasonable to ask for some PR1.0 RDA |
| 19:29.49 | SpeedEvil | I wonder who'd be most appropruate to poke |
| 19:30.12 | SpeedEvil | the ovi QA people? |
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| 19:37.23 | ajalkane | should complain to somewhere about that pr 1.0 testing business. Maybe N9 Developer blog? |
| 19:38.01 | SpeedEvil | I'd see if I could find the RDA people, ping them, and the ovi QA people too. Blog too perhaps. |
| 19:38.02 | ajalkane | But alas... Skyrim calls |
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| 19:41.40 | beford | arrow to the knee |
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| 19:47.52 | RST38h | moo? |
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| 19:50.55 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 19:51.00 | Venemo | redtube.com |
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| 19:51.33 | Venemo | this crap disconnected me |
| 19:51.35 | Venemo | eh |
| 19:51.36 | Venemo | so |
| 19:51.48 | Venemo | I'm looking for someone who has uploaded something to Ovi Store |
| 19:51.59 | Venemo | do you really need to make a complete support website for your app? |
| 19:52.20 | Venemo | they rejected my app in the QA because my support site, according to them, doesn't work |
| 19:52.32 | admiral0 | :O |
| 19:52.37 | Venemo | it's indeed just a placeholder site with a contact email address |
| 19:52.47 | Venemo | but WTF anyway? |
| 19:52.55 | gri | huh? I've seen apps where some user linked to his blog post which stated "my app is online" |
| 19:52.59 | admiral0 | give github bugtracker |
| 19:53.00 | ieatlint | i have done it for symbian... i had a bs support site |
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| 19:53.51 | ieatlint | is i a redtube app then? :P |
| 19:53.53 | Venemo | also, they say that I have invalid UTF8 characters in my control file... WTF??? I saved it in UTF-8 with gedit! the device displays all characters. |
| 19:53.56 | ieatlint | it |
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| 19:54.20 | ieatlint | just use ascii unless you actually need utf8 |
| 19:54.31 | Venemo | my name contains an 'ó' |
| 19:55.46 | Venemo | in the maintainer name field |
| 19:55.54 | Venemo | but WTF? it works on the device... why doesn't it work for them? |
| 19:57.05 | tomma | maybe notepad doesn't display it right? |
| 19:57.27 | ieatlint | accuse them of insulting your name |
| 19:57.58 | admiral0 | lol |
| 19:57.58 | Venemo | lol :D |
| 19:58.34 | ieatlint | i once got into a fight with ovi store about the fact a field couldn't take utf8, despite the fact that the field was storing a piece of data in the phone that didn't support utf8 |
| 19:58.54 | ieatlint | they told me despite symbian's lack of support for handling utf8 properly there, i had to support it |
| 19:59.01 | Venemo | lol... |
| 19:59.32 | admiral0 | LOL |
| 19:59.32 | ieatlint | they simply said they weren't QA for symbian itself, so they couldn't do anything about it |
| 19:59.55 | gri | Well, take a look at ovi store descriptions containing "ä" "ü" "ö". For some reason there's always a space before the special characters |
| 20:00.52 | Venemo | it's ridiculous in 2012 that something doesn't support UTF-8 |
| 20:01.56 | ieatlint | especially from a company that speaks a language that requires more than the english alphabet? :P |
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| 20:05.51 | djszapi | Venemo_: o/ |
| 20:06.02 | Venemo_ | hi djszapi :) |
| 20:06.47 | djszapi | Venemo_: the issue was the buggy documentation |
| 20:06.55 | Venemo_ | djszapi, what was the solution? |
| 20:07.02 | frals | Venemo_: seems to be common past few days that submission is rejected due to website |
| 20:07.02 | djszapi | using "background" |
| 20:07.12 | frals | Venemo_: i just resubmitted without changing anything and it got accepted |
| 20:07.17 | frals | same for a colleague |
| 20:07.27 | Venemo_ | frals, lol... |
| 20:07.47 | Venemo_ | http://puzzle-master.colorful.hu/ |
| 20:07.48 | ieatlint | Venemo_: just add a random web form that does nothing to your support page |
| 20:08.03 | Venemo_ | this is it |
| 20:11.40 | frals | Venemo_: it doesnt load for me |
| 20:11.50 | frals | as in cant find the server |
| 20:11.54 | Venemo_ | what might be the reason for that? :( |
| 20:12.06 | frals | anyway my support site for ovi is http://projects.frals.se/ |
| 20:12.11 | frals | which seems fine |
| 20:12.37 | Venemo_ | mhm |
| 20:12.54 | gri | it does load for me |
| 20:12.58 | Venemo_ | well, admiral0 also mentioned that he also had a server not found error |
| 20:13.19 | Venemo_ | but what may be the reason? some DNS weirdness or what? |
| 20:13.33 | gri | I have dns not found for my own server when I'm in university but at home it works :D |
| 20:13.42 | Venemo_ | lol |
| 20:14.05 | frals | frals@potestas:~:$ nslookup puzzle-master.colorful.hu |
| 20:14.05 | frals | ;; Got SERVFAIL reply from 213.80.98.2, trying next server |
| 20:14.05 | frals | ** server can't find puzzle-master.colorful.hu: NXDOMAIN |
| 20:14.13 | Venemo_ | NXDOMAIN? |
| 20:14.33 | frals | non existent domain |
| 20:14.41 | gri | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 20:14.42 | gri | Name:puzzle-master.colorful.hu |
| 20:14.42 | gri | Address: 79.172.211.128 |
| 20:14.45 | Venemo_ | hehh |
| 20:14.56 | Venemo_ | how about plain colorful.hu ? |
| 20:15.16 | frals | NXDOMAIN |
| 20:16.11 | Venemo_ | but how is that even possible???? :O |
| 20:16.20 | ieatlint | i get valid results, and the authority being ts1.hostingabc.hu. hostmaster.hostingabc.hu. |
| 20:16.40 | frals | i get that both from my .fi isp and my .se one |
| 20:16.42 | gri | frals: can you resolve developer.muhkuh.net? |
| 20:16.59 | frals | gri: nope |
| 20:17.09 | Venemo_ | http://www.domain.hu/domain/English/domainsearch/?domain=colorful&tld=hu |
| 20:17.29 | ieatlint | yeah, i got the whois record as well |
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| 20:17.57 | Venemo_ | is something missing from the DNS record? or what may be the issue, |
| 20:17.59 | Venemo_ | ? |
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| 20:24.49 | merlin1991 | Venemo: I can browse your I'm still working on this page |
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| 20:32.09 | frals | mgedmin: re creating logo from user defined text: https://github.com/frals/lpmcustomizer and deb at http://projects.frals.se/lpmcustomizer/se-frals-lpmcustomizer_1.2.9_armel.deb |
| 20:32.40 | mgedmin | frals++ |
| 20:33.14 | Venemo | but how the hell is it possible that you get NXDOMAIN while it worksforme? |
| 20:33.16 | MohammadAG | frals: Add animated wallpapers :p |
| 20:33.18 | frals | (nokia pure text has HORRIBLE font metrics) |
| 20:33.29 | MohammadAG | With a low fps of course |
| 20:33.35 | Venemo | the domain has existed for over 2 years with the same DNS record |
| 20:33.47 | MohammadAG | Or team up with RST38h to provide weather on the lockscreen |
| 20:34.02 | MohammadAG | Frals ^ |
| 20:34.35 | frals | RST38h is doing something with weather? |
| 20:34.55 | frals | (should be easy to just write the icon to gconf and it will update itself properly) |
| 20:35.11 | frals | hmm, twitter is hating on me, https://twitter.com/#!/frals/status/160095985090043904 works, but it doesnt show in my feed either on web or on devices |
| 20:36.15 | MohammadAG | frals: MeeCast afaik |
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| 20:41.06 | mgedmin | frals, what does the slider do? |
| 20:41.10 | mgedmin | font size? vertical positioning? |
| 20:41.15 | frals | mgedmin: font size |
| 20:41.50 | mgedmin | I wish twitter indicated which messages are new when I pull down to refresh in the twitter app |
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| 20:44.43 | rm_work | ieatlint: ok, so it cost me $20 to find out that there's no 1900 band 3g on tmobile in San Antonio |
| 20:44.48 | rm_work | which is, eh, whatever :P |
| 20:44.57 | rm_work | on the plus size I got a new regular SIM at the same time |
| 20:45.01 | rm_work | *plus side |
| 20:45.07 | rm_work | and swapped back instantly |
| 20:45.19 | rm_work | might just switch to AT&T |
| 20:45.34 | rm_work | then i would get reception at work, too |
| 20:47.30 | admiral0 | megaupload is down |
| 20:47.32 | admiral0 | :O |
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| 20:50.28 | poutsi | hip hop money ran out? |
| 20:50.34 | admiral0 | nope |
| 20:50.41 | admiral0 | everybody arrested |
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| 20:55.37 | mgedmin | frals, the .deb url in your tweet doesn't work |
| 20:55.50 | mgedmin | I get a "Sorry, file is no longer here..." page |
| 20:56.20 | frals | mgedmin: do a refresh, i accidentally rm'd it |
| 20:56.43 | mgedmin | got it! |
| 20:57.47 | mgedmin | sighs |
| 20:57.57 | mgedmin | tap a .deb in transfers list, nothing happens for ~2 seconds |
| 20:58.03 | mgedmin | of course I tapped again within 0.3s |
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| 20:58.32 | mgedmin | so the other taps errored out saying it was already installing something else (same package name) ;) |
| 20:58.57 | mgedmin | anyway, the installation ends up with "Can't install: Installation package not found". WTF? |
| 20:59.45 | frals | mgedmin: need to uninstall it if you have it installed already |
| 20:59.52 | mgedmin | oh? |
| 20:59.54 | mgedmin | why? |
| 21:00.02 | frals | assuming you installed it from store aegis wont let you replace it from unknown origin |
| 21:00.17 | mgedmin | ah! |
| 21:00.32 | frals | that error message got to win some kind of award for being useless though |
| 21:00.34 | mgedmin | somebody doesn't believe in clear error messages ... |
| 21:02.48 | mgedmin | ovi store likes to steal focus very very much |
| 21:03.06 | mgedmin | tap ovi store http link, browser comes up, ovi store comes up |
| 21:03.12 | mgedmin | swipe away because ovi store loads like forever |
| 21:03.19 | mgedmin | and it's back! |
| 21:03.21 | mgedmin | swipe away again, try to scroll app menu |
| 21:03.25 | mgedmin | and ovi store is back! |
| 21:03.27 | mgedmin | grr |
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| 21:03.38 | deram | never seen that happen |
| 21:03.55 | CissWit | Hi there, i had the 232 repository set up in my souces.list.d but it returned 404. |
| 21:04.10 | CissWit | I tried to change it with the 005 like a friend, and it now proposes upgrades |
| 21:04.27 | CissWit | do you know if it is safe to upgrade ? |
| 21:04.59 | mgedmin | frals, the description says "Customize the low power mode logo" |
| 21:05.06 | mgedmin | I thought the official name of that was the stand-by screen? |
| 21:05.18 | frals | mgedmin: i have no idea what the official name is tbh |
| 21:05.35 | mgedmin | Settings -> Device -> Display -> Stand-by screen: on/off |
| 21:05.42 | deram | isn't stand-by screen the one with wallpaper? |
| 21:05.51 | mgedmin | deram, that's the lock screen, I believe |
| 21:06.04 | deram | oh.. ok.. |
| 21:06.10 | mgedmin | help says "If your phone is not used for a while, the display switches off and the Stand-by screen is activated." |
| 21:06.19 | mgedmin | "You can see the current time without unlocking the phone." |
| 21:07.23 | frals | hmm.. guess i should update the description |
| 21:07.23 | mgedmin | frals, is the "Save me!" button supposed to provide any feedback? |
| 21:07.31 | frals | mgedmin: not really, no |
| 21:07.37 | frals | mgedmin: it probably should, i guess :D |
| 21:07.47 | mgedmin | I kept pressing it expecting something |
| 21:08.11 | frals | (im a dev, not a designer ;D) |
| 21:08.19 | mgedmin | really? |
| 21:08.31 | mgedmin | the app looks almost professionally designed |
| 21:08.51 | frals | yes, because i got a professional designer to do initial design :D |
| 21:09.01 | mgedmin | how about making the 'save me' button switch back to the pick screen, so you can see your newly-designed logo is already selected? |
| 21:09.52 | mgedmin | also, a ScrollDecorator for the image gallery would be nice |
| 21:09.54 | frals | i asked her if she could give me a few hints on this version, but no telling how busy she is nowadays |
| 21:10.13 | frals | im almost sure there is one for the gallery list |
| 21:10.31 | frals | at least on my device i can see it |
| 21:10.34 | mgedmin | you're right -- there is |
| 21:10.39 | mgedmin | I have so many images it's like 1 pixel tall |
| 21:10.45 | mgedmin | hard to notice |
| 21:10.46 | frals | but yeah, note taken about the save me button |
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| 21:11.47 | mgedmin | hm, interesting |
| 21:13.21 | mgedmin | frals, is there some caching going on? I create an image, go back to pick and see it in the preview |
| 21:13.30 | mgedmin | then I go back to create, change the font size/text, hit save again |
| 21:13.37 | frals | mgedmin: yeah, qml seems to cache the image because the imagename is the same :/ |
| 21:13.37 | mgedmin | go back to pick and it shows me the old preview |
| 21:14.00 | frals | i should change the name of the image or make qml not cache it |
| 21:14.09 | frals | (patches welcome ;)) |
| 21:14.22 | mgedmin | :) |
| 21:15.23 | mgedmin | now I need to come up with something interesting quote for my lock screen... |
| 21:16.52 | frals | https://s3.amazonaws.com/propublica/assets/images/sopa-opera-count.png heh |
| 21:18.09 | SpeedEvil | ponders the power of Anonymous - if they'd just all call their congresspersons on the same day. |
| 21:21.18 | ieatlint | i called my repesentatives to encourage them to continue their support of sopa |
| 21:21.25 | ieatlint | how else can i abuse it? |
| 21:27.50 | Venemo | wtf? |
| 21:27.52 | Venemo | srsly? |
| 21:28.53 | ieatlint | yeah, it's all just an overblown thing |
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| 21:29.24 | Venemo | lol |
| 21:29.26 | petteri | trolling away in the internet |
| 21:29.54 | ieatlint | you have it backwards anyway, it's not your place to tell americans how to handle their politics |
| 21:29.58 | ieatlint | it's ours to tell you |
| 21:30.11 | deram | internet is right |
| 21:30.17 | petteri | ♪ |
| 21:32.05 | petteri | i think the best option would just cut the cables and let the US sort selves |
| 21:32.22 | deram | yep |
| 21:32.24 | ieatlint | who would really be cutting who off then? |
| 21:33.04 | ieatlint | think what you'd do if you couldn't access bing or facebook |
| 21:33.04 | deram | it would leave two partitions of internet, and I'd guess ours would be bigger part nowadays |
| 21:33.26 | deram | using neither |
| 21:33.51 | ieatlint | by volume of users, yes, but by hosted services... wouldn't be too sure |
| 21:34.01 | deram | I would |
| 21:34.30 | deram | most of your services are already restricted from use by us |
| 21:34.44 | ieatlint | well, confidence is attractive |
| 21:35.04 | ieatlint | yeah, that's more often than not due to foreign restrictions |
| 21:35.43 | deram | for every amazon.com there is .de .co.uk and bunch of others available |
| 21:37.06 | deram | internet used to be mostly served from US, but it has spread more evenly nowadays.. |
| 21:38.15 | ieatlint | heh, clearly we need to test this |
| 21:39.05 | deram | go cut the cables... and please do it also on west coast |
| 21:40.38 | itsnotabigtruck | SOPA is definitely overblown, but it's definitely also a real threat |
| 21:40.58 | itsnotabigtruck | while half the stuff people are claiming sopa/protect ip would do isn't true, it would still lay the groundwork for censorship in the us |
| 21:41.22 | itsnotabigtruck | and at the same time, the state department decries censorship in china, the middle east, etc. |
| 21:42.06 | itsnotabigtruck | piracy is today's bogeyman just like how child porn was the bogeyman 10 years ago, when they got the UK to institute net censorship |
| 21:42.35 | itsnotabigtruck | that same system was used to block one of those usenet indexer sites the other day |
| 21:42.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint ^ |
| 21:43.02 | nid0 | except cleanfeed's extremely limited scope and the ability to pull websites offline on a "good faith" request are rather different ballgames |
| 21:43.03 | deram | terrorism was one of US bogeymans, and it divided the online gambling to yours and ours |
| 21:43.35 | ieatlint | deram: i'm on the west coast, so that should be pretty easy... we'll definitely miss china |
| 21:43.40 | deram | I'd have to think the gambling was the main thing on that act.. |
| 21:43.55 | itsnotabigtruck | nid0: "extremely limited scope" is a matter of opinion |
| 21:44.28 | itsnotabigtruck | censorship is censorship and once you have the infrastructure it's a very short leap to block whatever you want |
| 21:44.50 | nid0 | well not really, barring one or two hiccups over the past decade that've been sorted quickly, cleanfeed's "censorship" is tiny |
| 21:44.59 | deram | yes. and it could be hard to appeal on being censored by mistake |
| 21:45.39 | itsnotabigtruck | nid0: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14322957 |
| 21:46.23 | nid0 | what about it? cleanfeed's been around for a decade, and 1 isp has now been ordered to block 1 site following countless court cases, and they dont even use cleanfeed itself to do it |
| 21:46.41 | itsnotabigtruck | > Justice Arnold ruled that BT must use its blocking technology CleanFeed - which is currently used to prevent access to websites featuring child sexual abuse - to block Newzbin 2. |
| 21:46.41 | nid0 | whereas sopa can completely bypass courts |
| 21:47.32 | ieatlint | actually it still requies a hearing as i understand |
| 21:47.37 | ieatlint | just no court case |
| 21:48.02 | itsnotabigtruck | also it can be appealed but the sites that are likely to be targeted probably wouldn't bother with that |
| 21:48.24 | nid0 | a copyright holder only has to send a takedown notice with a "good faith" belief that IP has been violated, it's then up to the defendant to go to court and pay the costs if they want to counter the request |
| 21:48.26 | itsnotabigtruck | given that it would cost more than they have to spare, and could subject the owners to us jurisdiction on other matters |
| 21:49.22 | ieatlint | nid0: yes, and in the event the original petitioner loses, they are liable for the costs |
| 21:49.29 | deram | and that is fair by what standards? takedown is automatic, if no one affords to stand up and defend? |
| 21:50.28 | itsnotabigtruck | actually i was under the impression that the 'original petitioner' is always the government...let me reread the bill text |
| 21:50.46 | itsnotabigtruck | http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c1120NAI9Z:e11714: |
| 21:51.36 | itsnotabigtruck | the attorney general's office may initiate a court case against the owner of the site; failing that, they can initiate a case against the domain |
| 21:52.15 | itsnotabigtruck | which can result in a court order that triggers the provisions forcing ISPs, payment networks, ad providers, and search engines to hide/block/drop/etc. the targeted site |
| 21:52.46 | SpeedEvil | I assume there is no compensation if you are improperly targetted? |
| 21:53.13 | itsnotabigtruck | so that means that if i understand correctly, no, you can't kill random sites with takedown notices |
| 21:53.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but it does mean that if you fall under the provisions of the bill (lots of stuff does) the government could take it down if they wanted to |
| 21:53.45 | itsnotabigtruck | and you can defend yourself but it would be expensive and risky |
| 21:54.02 | phdeswer | itsnotabigtruck, no it means if you can pay for a lawyer the website will be taken down before you the "victim" can defend itself |
| 21:54.30 | phdeswer | And the governement does whatever it wants anyway. |
| 21:55.50 | itsnotabigtruck | actually i was only looking at section 102 |
| 21:56.00 | itsnotabigtruck | you guys were talking about section 103, which does set up a takedown notice scheme |
| 21:57.06 | itsnotabigtruck | however, it looks like section 103 can't be used to block a website |
| 21:57.22 | itsnotabigtruck | but it can be used to cut off payments from us-based payment networks, and cut off advertisements on us-based ad networks |
| 21:58.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to file a counter-notification which cancels that, but that opens you up to liability in the US |
| 21:58.14 | rm_work | so, any clues on the release time for PR1.2 beta? |
| 21:58.21 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, maybe we should talk about harmattan stuff :p |
| 21:58.35 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe in a week or so? just guessing |
| 22:00.15 | itsnotabigtruck | one last thing about the sopa stuff, i am a bit tired of everybody on the planet (including americans) slagging off on the US and its politics, while turning a blind eye to the situation in the rest of the world |
| 22:01.18 | ieatlint | next up i'll claim that i love emacs |
| 22:01.27 | itsnotabigtruck | it's very unusual to see a brit, frenchman, etc. complaining about the erosions of e-rights there |
| 22:01.35 | deram | or even worse, eclipse |
| 22:01.38 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 22:02.13 | ieatlint | i do all my programming in nano |
| 22:02.15 | ieatlint | it's awesome |
| 22:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, the US is the only country on the planet that actually has freedom of speech. |
| 22:02.52 | deram | the erosion almost always has started from US, europe comes afterwards in couple of years |
| 22:03.08 | deram | so it seems to be best to torpedo those acts on the source |
| 22:03.42 | itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: well, the 1st amendment's been weakened to the point that it's pretty similar to the status quo in most other western countries |
| 22:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, somewhat, but at least it's not qualified like everywhere else. |
| 22:04.26 | GeneralAntilles | Whether the courts choose to uphold it correctly is a separate issue from how it's actually written. |
| 22:04.36 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody else has a giant asterisk on their speech rights. |
| 22:04.42 | itsnotabigtruck | deram: ehhh...an awful lot of the developments in europe have started there (e.g. three-strikes law in france, compulsory turnover of encryption keys in the UK) |
| 22:05.00 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 22:06.06 | ieatlint | or as stated, the UK blocking a site accused of piracy, and i believe france has a policy where you can get banned from internet use for a period for piracy allegations |
| 22:06.16 | deram | well, at least first of which have been lobbied by MPAA and its significant others |
| 22:06.30 | itsnotabigtruck | but these sorts of laws are a problem no matter where they start cropping up, especially since legislators in other countries start getting ideas if such things gain traction elsewhere |
| 22:06.45 | ieatlint | or australia... which is pretty crazy |
| 22:07.04 | GeneralAntilles | At its core it's an issue of governments with too much power. |
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| 22:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | but effectively limiting a government's power is pretty much impossible unless you go full libertarian, and that gets you something like industrial revolution-era america |
| 22:09.20 | itsnotabigtruck | if they have the capability to do things you want, they'll also have the capability to do things you don't want |
| 22:09.57 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, interesting assertion about industrial revolution-era. |
| 22:10.42 | ieatlint | ok, i started this troll, but as it delves into libertarianism, even i think it should stop |
| 22:11.06 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't get why people fear freedom. |
| 22:11.08 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, touche |
| 22:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: where did you find that giant bottle of good stuff? I don't deel like German law puts any major unreasonable restrictions on my right of free speech - apart from obvious cases like insult etc |
| 22:11.36 | GeneralAntilles | If certain types of speech are prohibited then you don't have free speech. |
| 22:11.56 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: germany's the country that forbids nazi symbology, puts heavy restrictions on video games, etc. |
| 22:11.59 | GeneralAntilles | Especially if courts and bureaucracies get to decide which types of speech are and are not acceptable. |
| 22:12.16 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: i can burn the american flag, call the president a nazi, and tattoo a swastika on my forehead withou breaking any laws |
| 22:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | Freedom of speech isn't "Speech that I agree with is OK." |
| 22:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | if I can prosecute you when you call me a liar in your "free spreech", I'd think that's even better than what US ahve |
| 22:12.25 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like an awesome place but it's not a good example for freedom of speech |
| 22:12.48 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: look into britain's libel/slander laws |
| 22:12.54 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, whatever sort of speech you have in Europe sure aint "free speech". |
| 22:12.56 | itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't work out so well in practice |
| 22:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh, you must know |
| 22:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | sue, in USA you can call a police sucker "asshole" and you simply get shot - nice "freedom of speech" |
| 22:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure* |
| 22:14.10 | GeneralAntilles | Er? |
| 22:14.11 | GeneralAntilles | What |
| 22:14.29 | itsnotabigtruck | well, that's a completely different thing, and that isn't really normal either |
| 22:14.36 | GeneralAntilles | The problem with these discussions is that nobody in Europe seems to have any clue what reality is like in the US. |
| 22:14.59 | itsnotabigtruck | it's definitely true that the police are a bit too brutish sometimes, but it gets exaggerated a lot |
| 22:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Just all the anti-US bullshit. |
| 22:15.05 | itsnotabigtruck | especially if you read a lot of reddit |
| 22:15.20 | itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: that's not quite true either |
| 22:15.46 | ieatlint | eh, the US is fucked up like every other country |
| 22:15.48 | itsnotabigtruck | but it does seem like people have ideas of the US that are based on news stories about worst-case scenarios, and hollywood movies |
| 22:15.56 | GeneralAntilles | Jealousy is an ugly color. Just ask China. *g* |
| 22:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | actually your McCarthy time been way after our 3rd-Reich |
| 22:16.21 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: a decade |
| 22:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 22:16.26 | ieatlint | and yeah, that was good times |
| 22:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | McCarthy doesn't even BEGIN to compare to Nazism. |
| 22:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | and I'd think you even today just are mafe believe you got freedom of *thought* |
| 22:16.45 | itsnotabigtruck | to be clear, no one here is advocating red scare / mccarthyism |
| 22:16.55 | GeneralAntilles | McCarthy's history is also overblown. |
| 22:17.06 | itsnotabigtruck | the "house un-american activies commission" was one of the more un-american things the US ever did |
| 22:17.27 | ieatlint | we have a nice and pleasant dark history :) |
| 22:17.39 | ieatlint | japanese internment camps comes to mind as well |
| 22:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sure, all these are terrible things. |
| 22:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | But they aren't on the same scale or degree as what was happening in Europe and Asia during the time. |
| 22:18.30 | itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: well, the difference is that we (the allies) were supposed to be the "good guys" |
| 22:18.32 | GeneralAntilles | Let's talk about the Rape of Nanking |
| 22:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "the wino said: who's not with us, is against us. Who cares about *old europe*" - yeah sure you got freedom of speech over there ;-) |
| 22:18.36 | ieatlint | plus we elected a secret muslim president even though he was born in kenya |
| 22:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, I agree and I frequently point that out to some of my more militaristic friends. |
| 22:19.11 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, Bush 3.0 |
| 22:19.32 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: just a colbert fan ;) |
| 22:19.34 | itsnotabigtruck | *secret COMMUNIST muslim president |
| 22:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | He's clearly pushing for socialist policies. |
| 22:20.20 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, not really, bailouts and a health care "reform" that just puts money in the pockets of insurance companies, aren't socialist policies |
| 22:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | He's overseen the largest expansion of the food stamp program in US history |
| 22:20.53 | GeneralAntilles | The bailouts ARE socialism. |
| 22:20.55 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem with obama, is that instead of taking an ideology and sticking with it, his platform is middling and vague |
| 22:21.08 | GeneralAntilles | Government control of companies. |
| 22:21.12 | itsnotabigtruck | socialism would have the government take a stake in the companies |
| 22:21.14 | ieatlint | notes the bailouts were done by bush (but obama as a senator voted for them) |
| 22:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, WHICH bailouts. :) |
| 22:21.30 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: bailout phase 1 was under bush, bailout phase 2 was under obama, right? |
| 22:21.33 | GeneralAntilles | There've been more than a few. |
| 22:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | Airlines, GM, banks, insurance companies. |
| 22:21.53 | ieatlint | i thought both were bush, but i admit i'd have to check my facts |
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| 22:22.08 | ieatlint | splitting hairs either way, obama supported it all |
| 22:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 22:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | now we're from OH-SO-FREE speech in USA to "this evil communist Obama" |
| 22:22.57 | GeneralAntilles | Left, right or center, they're all scum out to take away your basic rights to benefit themselves and their friends. |
| 22:23.19 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: thus is politics |
| 22:23.20 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, one of the main things we exercise our oh-so-free speech for, is bitching about the president and legislature :p |
| 22:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | while USA media is almost like Berlusconi's Italian TV&press |
| 22:23.54 | ieatlint | pretty much |
| 22:24.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not good but that's more than a bit of an exaggeration |
| 22:24.12 | itsnotabigtruck | again, often the worst examples of journalism get the international attention |
| 22:24.16 | ieatlint | rupert murdoch's out here too |
| 22:24.18 | itsnotabigtruck | especially if you read a lot of reddit |
| 22:24.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and a large chunk of rupert murdoch's assets aren't in the US, they're in the UK and australia |
| 22:24.46 | itsnotabigtruck | murdoch has major control over UK newspapers |
| 22:25.03 | ieatlint | and a lot of US media too |
| 22:25.21 | itsnotabigtruck | primarily fox news, fox, and the wall street journal |
| 22:25.37 | itsnotabigtruck | fox network programming, specifically |
| 22:25.47 | SqRt7744 | It's kinda sad that the USA, a country which had such awesome prospects and was founded and colonized largely by people who wanted to create something awesome and free, is now driving down the highway to destruction faster than I can change my underwear... and both major political parties seem intent on throwing fuel on the flames for political expediency. |
| 22:25.55 | itsnotabigtruck | murdoch doesn't control fox local programming (e.g. local news) but all local news programs are 3rd rate |
| 22:25.58 | ieatlint | conclusion: the US is fucked, just like everyone else; moving on... |
| 22:26.30 | SqRt7744 | fox, cnn: the differences are not as great as some would have you believe. |
| 22:26.48 | SqRt7744 | msnbc, slightly different spin, but same basic story |
| 22:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | n8 folks |
| 22:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | if it makes you feel any better, much of the stuff the us presidential candidates claim to believe in, they won't carry out (and usually can't carry out) and are only saying in order to bring in a political base |
| 22:26.59 | itsnotabigtruck | later DocScrutinizer! |
| 22:27.04 | itsnotabigtruck | sorry for putting you through all that lol |
| 22:28.00 | ieatlint | you mean mitt romney doesn't really believe an apocalypse is coming that he must prepare for, and all non-mormons are screwed? |
| 22:28.01 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. all the stuff about gay marriage, abortion, and anything else like that is a sideshow to lock in southern / central US votes |
| 22:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | SqRt7744, amen. |
| 22:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, later. |
| 22:28.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, to be fair, setting all religious stuff aside, preparing for an "apocalypse" isn't a terrible idea |
| 22:29.01 | ieatlint | i'm still bitter sarah palin didn't run |
| 22:29.12 | itsnotabigtruck | some people take that idea waaaaaaay too far, of course |
| 22:29.23 | SpeedEvil | has 6 months food stored. |
| 22:29.40 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you're prepared for the "apocalypse" you're probably prepared for close to anything disaster-wise |
| 22:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Mostly so I can take extreme advantage of discounts. |
| 22:29.42 | SqRt7744 | I watched the south carolina debate the other day. What a joke. Felt really bad for Ron Paul, he is the only one who actually has anything to offer, and they treat him like sh*t. |
| 22:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, NE, too, if they were honest. ;) |
| 22:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | SqRt7744, Gary Johnson got it even worse. ;) |
| 22:30.05 | SqRt7744 | ...and he doesn't really seem good at fighting back |
| 22:30.11 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: my plan is to just get a gun and use other people's disaster kits |
| 22:30.17 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 22:30.56 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, homicide fell off the top-15 list of causes of death in the US! |
| 22:31.01 | ieatlint | also, bringing up a discussion about ron paul is on par with bringing up a discussion of hitler |
| 22:31.17 | GeneralAntilles | That's why we're screwed. |
| 22:31.23 | ieatlint | it's like godwin's law |
| 22:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | Rational thinking makes people crazy. |
| 22:31.41 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, this is crazy enough as it is, let's not bring ron paul into it |
| 22:31.42 | SqRt7744 | GeneralAntilles, well, I'm talking about the republican debate |
| 22:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | suggests some hours of Zappa listening - of some of his late 60s, early 70s records - to the excited audience |
| 22:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | SqRt7744, yeah, I couldn't bring myself to watch more than 15 minutes of it. |
| 22:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | knows who he's voting for. |
| 22:32.44 | SqRt7744 | me? |
| 22:32.59 | SqRt7744 | that's awfully nice of you, but really, you shouldn't |
| 22:33.13 | SqRt7744 | I won't turn down donations though, |
| 22:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 22:33.25 | GeneralAntilles | reboots to fix Lion's broken media handlers. |
| 22:33.49 | ieatlint | i'm voting herman cain |
| 22:34.36 | SqRt7744 | i love herman cain, I've never laughed so hard at a political candidate. Most of the others (-RP) creep me out. |
| 22:35.09 | ieatlint | nothing screams libertarian like a racist that hates the gays :P |
| 22:37.32 | itsnotabigtruck | i probably ought to reregister as republican so i can vote in the primary |
| 22:37.49 | SqRt7744 | I love big governement arguments against small government types. Honestly if the government is out of my life, I couldn't care less about the personal opinions of whichever candidate. No Income Tax? No Wars? No Dept. of Education? Hell yeah! |
| 22:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | you should register with every party you could, to do same with all of them |
| 22:38.35 | ieatlint | i see enough problems caused by radicalism |
| 22:38.37 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: would if i could :p in most states you pick one party on your voter registration, and ifyou pick repub or democrat you get a primary ballot |
| 22:38.57 | SqRt7744 | Any candidate who wants to use the goverment to force you to think like them is scary, I don't care what they believe, because even if I agree with them, 4 years later the next goverment will have a different opinion |
| 22:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | ACK |
| 22:40.20 | ieatlint | SqRt7744: and i can't support a government that institutionalizes descrimination and hatred |
| 22:41.25 | SqRt7744 | ieatlint, exactly my point |
| 22:41.53 | ieatlint | hence i could never support ron paul |
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| 22:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | If I had to live in a world where evry sucker thinks like I do, I'd go berserk (and obviously, consequently whole world would do as well ;-P ) |
| 22:42.28 | SqRt7744 | which is why the federal government shouldn't the power in the first place |
| 22:42.50 | SqRt7744 | ieatlint, I don't understand. |
| 22:43.07 | SqRt7744 | i accidentally a word |
| 22:45.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: while there's plenty of reasons not to vote for ron paul, i think you're falling into the gay rights/abortion pandering trap |
| 22:45.49 | itsnotabigtruck | what matters is economics and foreign policy, everything else is bullshit |
| 22:46.02 | ieatlint | not to friends of mine it's not |
| 22:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | foreign policy? I never thought the average American is aware there's such a thing like that |
| 22:47.05 | ieatlint | sure we are |
| 22:47.12 | ieatlint | we tell you guys what to do, you do it |
| 22:47.20 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, I diasgree, I don't want the government in my life, I don't want the federal government to have power to tell me what I can do with my life, health, who I associate with, what I do on the internet... |
| 22:47.45 | SqRt7744 | I also don't want them to have to power to act extra judicially against anyone, including americans |
| 22:47.54 | SqRt7744 | i want patent law reform |
| 22:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's "over there, in the north, err east, south? Who cares, they got something we need? we will fetch it" |
| 22:49.20 | ieatlint | hey, that's unfair... korea, vietnam, panama, afghanistan... none of those wars were for resources |
| 22:49.33 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: and there's the stereotype kicking in :/ |
| 22:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | SqRt7744: first get rid of gitmo |
| 22:50.06 | itsnotabigtruck | don't forget grenada! |
| 22:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: not, that's mere statistically supported facts |
| 22:50.14 | ieatlint | yeah, and kosovo |
| 22:50.15 | SqRt7744 | american foreign policy hasn't really been about economics much. take sanctions as an example. Preventing trade damages the economy. |
| 22:50.47 | ieatlint | oh right, and libya.. |
| 22:50.57 | ieatlint | see, just 1 country (twice) for oil |
| 22:51.06 | ieatlint | well, i guess libya counts, so 2 countries |
| 22:51.09 | SqRt7744 | DocScrutinizer, absolutely. I agree that foreign policy and free markets should be at the top of the "want" list |
| 22:51.16 | itsnotabigtruck | "for oil" is doubtful |
| 22:51.25 | itsnotabigtruck | for one because libya was already a huge supplier of oil to italy |
| 22:51.45 | SqRt7744 | ...and treating "the enemy" like shit is not the best way to maintain the moral high ground in any conflict |
| 22:51.46 | itsnotabigtruck | and people claim iraq was to steal their oil...where's the cheap iraqi oil |
| 22:51.51 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not going here, that's for sure |
| 22:52.04 | ieatlint | well, that's just because we did it so incompetently |
| 22:52.14 | ieatlint | plans don't always pan out |
| 22:52.50 | itsnotabigtruck | the most plausible motive behind the iraq war i've heard was to drive a stake into the middle east to keep iran et al out of the way |
| 22:53.39 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, I don't think it's a coincidence that the countries america bullies are also the main targets of israel. |
| 22:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | and probably simply to trhow out that old bombshell crap to get better new stuff, better than that you previously sold to Iraq |
| 22:54.19 | itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: ehh...the US supports israel because they're also a useful tool to keep the rest of the ME in line |
| 22:54.21 | SqRt7744 | iraq under saddam was more than willing to part with their oil on the cheap, would have been a hell of lot cheaper than the trillions the invasion cost |
| 22:54.32 | itsnotabigtruck | and the arab world, in general, despises both the US and israel |
| 22:54.34 | itsnotabigtruck | and has for decades |
| 22:54.49 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, why do we want to keep anyone in line? In line with what, exactly? |
| 22:54.54 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's not surprising that the US and israel have common enemies |
| 22:55.11 | ieatlint | yes, we all miss the ottomans and british empires keeping those guys in check |
| 22:55.17 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, gee, I wonder why. |
| 22:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | SqRt7744: who cares what it *costs* USA as a whole, as long as 90% end in the bomb manufacturers' pockets |
| 22:55.57 | ieatlint | war is profitable and promotes nationalism |
| 22:55.59 | itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: in line with not consolidating their influence, becoming a real military threat, etc. |
| 22:56.30 | ieatlint | of course it gave us massive budget deficeits, but china was happy to help, and a lot of US industry saw record profits |
| 22:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 22:57.27 | SqRt7744 | war is not profitable on the whole, it is only profitable for a special interest, the weapons manufacturers. To pay them, money has to be taken from actually profitable enterprise, and that enterprise then has less money to invest in further profitable ventures. War is *always* a net loss for the economy. Especially when it is financed by a central bank by inflating the currency. |
| 22:57.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not saying i support the iraq war in retrospect, but i am saying that you guys are taking a rather generic anti-us cynical viewpoint |
| 22:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | nobody gives a shit about net loss |
| 22:58.08 | ieatlint | my gf worked as a military contractor in iraq for 3 months... made about $70k for that time alone |
| 22:58.30 | ieatlint | sat on a base and managed servers, pretty easy |
| 22:58.34 | itsnotabigtruck | and WW2 was probably profitable, in the long term |
| 22:58.44 | itsnotabigtruck | but WW2 was completely different from these more recent limited wars |
| 22:58.49 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think anybody wants another total war |
| 22:59.24 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, I am not anti-us at all, in fact I am pro-US. But being pro-US doesn't mean agreeing with the foreign policy, which is dominated in fairly recent history by pro-zionist neocons. Their politics is destroying a great country, and their influence has to stop. |
| 22:59.51 | ieatlint | drop the word zionist if you want to be taken seriously |
| 22:59.59 | ieatlint | it's politics, not race |
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| 23:00.01 | itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: but you don't have a unique position, you have the position of every liberal on reddit |
| 23:00.11 | itsnotabigtruck | and throwing 'zionist' around is a huge red flag |
| 23:00.58 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, a red flag for what? |
| 23:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | just wonder why |
| 23:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | if it is, then there's more to it |
| 23:01.38 | ieatlint | zionism has significant racial connotations |
| 23:01.46 | ieatlint | racial/religious |
| 23:01.57 | ieatlint | (and yes, we know what the dictionary says) |
| 23:02.01 | SqRt7744 | yeah, so? |
| 23:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, and US politics is absolutely non-religious otherwise |
| 23:02.21 | ieatlint | so does that make someone who opposes israel anti-semetic? |
| 23:02.29 | itsnotabigtruck | SqRt7744: a position picked up from the general internet progressive movement, which has a strong anti-republican pro-democrat anti-israel position |
| 23:03.02 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, in your mind perhaps, but not in mine. |
| 23:04.12 | itsnotabigtruck | and being against israel doesn't mean being anti-semitic, but a lot of people hate israel because they a) aren't familiar with the history of conflict in the region, or b) are anti-jew |
| 23:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | I hate israel for their being arrogant assholes (their leaders/gvmnt) |
| 23:04.53 | SqRt7744 | I honestly don't see what zionism has to do with repubs or democrats, other than that they both support it in various ways. |
| 23:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | or their actions |
| 23:05.00 | ieatlint | anyone who is simply anti-israel or anti-palestine can only see black and white, and is too narrow to see much more |
| 23:05.07 | ieatlint | they're both guilty assholes |
| 23:05.12 | itsnotabigtruck | agreed |
| 23:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | I equally share that attitute to another ~5..10 countries |
| 23:05.43 | SqRt7744 | itsnotabigtruck, and I am most certainly not progressive, so I don't know where you got that from. |
| 23:05.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ftoad, while i'm sort of siding with israel for the purposes of this argument their government's actions are highly problematic |
| 23:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | minimum |
| 23:06.24 | itsnotabigtruck | israel and palestine keep provoking each other and neither is interested in serious resolution of the whole situation |
| 23:06.43 | ieatlint | i've got 3 more hours of pretending to work before i can go home :( |
| 23:06.49 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a hate based conflict |
| 23:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | palestine one of the other asshole "countries", for sure |
| 23:08.03 | itsnotabigtruck | also whoops, that should have been *ftaod (for the avoidance of doubt) |
| 23:08.07 | ieatlint | let's just agree to blame the uk and un for it all |
| 23:08.14 | mpr | the root problem is that US and others were retards and didn't allow the establishment of a palestinian state beside Israel |
| 23:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | CANADA |
| 23:08.21 | ieatlint | sure, canada too |
| 23:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | let's blame CANADA |
| 23:08.36 | ieatlint | we should go invade canada and steal their oil |
| 23:08.48 | itsnotabigtruck | mpr: what? the UN partition plan specifically divided the mandate of palestine into an israel part and a palestine part |
| 23:08.54 | SqRt7744 | ieatlint, tarsands. Please, take them. |
| 23:09.08 | mpr | itsnotabigtruck: yes, and no-one recognised palestine |
| 23:09.09 | itsnotabigtruck | then most of the arab world declared war on israel to take the land for themselves |
| 23:09.27 | itsnotabigtruck | had that not happened, there'd be a significantly larger palestine today |
| 23:09.30 | ieatlint | SqRt7744: i love that politicians here have actually said using that oil will "decrease our dependence on foreign oil" |
| 23:09.31 | itsnotabigtruck | and it wouldn't be a conflict zone |
| 23:09.37 | ieatlint | we don't even regard canada as foreign :P |
| 23:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | SqRt7744: you forgot "...and keep the wase" |
| 23:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | waste even |
| 23:10.23 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: because they don't want to say "middle eastern and chinese oil" :p |
| 23:11.02 | ieatlint | we don't get oil from china |
| 23:11.23 | ieatlint | we get it from canada, venezuela, domestic production and the middle east primarily |
| 23:11.35 | itsnotabigtruck | mm, gp |
| 23:11.46 | SqRt7744 | <yawn> seriously who cares about the arab/israeli conflict. They're both grown up and can fight it out themselves. I just don't want american politicians influenced by AIPAC vying for who can kiss the most israeli ass as a prerequisite for being "electable"... and the christian sheep thinking it is somehow their God-given duty to support israel in any and every way they can. |
| 23:12.19 | itsnotabigtruck | that's another problem, the aforementioned political christian bloc |
| 23:12.30 | ieatlint | eh, a large part of US support of israel can be blamed on florida |
| 23:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | creationists |
| 23:12.49 | SqRt7744 | DocScrutinizer, I'm a dual US/Can citizen so I can both off and accept the tar-sands |
| 23:14.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it's definitely paradoxical how we have constitutionally-enforced secular government and yet religion has a severe influence in elections and a moderate influence in legislation, whereas many european countries have state churches, 'christian democrat' parties, and/or church integration into gov/schools, and yet way less religious influence over government |
| 23:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | basically none at all |
| 23:15.37 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, there's still some |
| 23:15.46 | SqRt7744 | ...the evangelical/israel thing is also a fairly recent phenomenon, I never really got it either. Jesus was pretty hard on the pharisees, destroyed the temple and whatnot, and the conflicts in the middle east are really bad for the christians living there, yet the american christians care less about their brothers in the middle east than some preceived threat to the holy state of Israel... |
| 23:15.58 | artemma | What would be the easy way for creating a multiselection list?I really like the colors and functionality of a MultiSelectionDialog, but.. it's a dialog. I want to create a similar looking list and would like to avoid creating full logic, colors and layout for delegate myself |
| 23:16.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, better get back to harmattan stuff, heh |
| 23:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | wow, a OT call |
| 23:16.52 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 23:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so stop it now |
| 23:16.57 | ieatlint | overdue |
| 23:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 23:17.17 | ieatlint | i need to be drunk to continue this conversation anyway |
| 23:17.25 | itsnotabigtruck | artemma: are you sure the dialog isn't an option? |
| 23:17.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i think it's the most 'native' way to do it |
| 23:18.04 | artemma | itsnotabigtruck: Dialog is an option. However, thing is the whole app is going to be just a selection list + Save/Cancel/About :) |
| 23:18.35 | artemma | sort of a setting page for something that should have been in phone Settings actually |
| 23:18.59 | artemma | be I more diligent, I would have thought about making it a Setting page |
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| 23:20.16 | itsnotabigtruck | artemma: why not do it as a settings page now? |
| 23:20.29 | artemma | that is possible |
| 23:20.42 | artemma | still, I don't think there's a multiselection list element for settings |
| 23:20.58 | artemma | aren't all multiselection cases in settings dialogs? |
| 23:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | zenity ;-D |
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| 23:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | if only zenity had a way to combine multiple instances into one "canvas" / window, whatever |
| 23:25.49 | artemma | zenity? |
| 23:28.40 | SqRt7744 | has anyone tried to replace the qtcreator 2.3 in the the sdk with 2.4? |
| 23:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/zenity/ |
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| 23:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenity |
| 23:32.57 | artemma | DocScrutinizer: oh, cross-platform dialog boxes, I'd never be able to come up to even idea of it :) |
| 23:34.19 | artemma | and yeah, i'd need a bit more then just a dialog. Same reason why MultiSelectionDialog isn't good enough: I need a list, a couple of buttons (one with menu) and a bit of logic too |
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| 23:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | clearly beyonf zenity's capabilities, though it has way more rhan just yes/no dialogs |
| 23:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | zenity --help-list |
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| 23:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://library.gnome.org/users/zenity/stable/zenity-list-options.html.en |
| 23:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/265/a-complete-zenity-dialog-examples-2/ |
| 23:54.04 | arcean | ~malf |
| 23:54.04 | infobot | it has been said that malf is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg |
