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| 00:04.54 | itsnotabigtruck | arcean: oh yeah, i read about that. so aegis-exec'ing something can cause aegis to blow? |
| 00:05.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought MALFs were mostly about boot-time integrity failures, aegis itself is supposed to enforce integrity after bootup |
| 00:05.22 | itsnotabigtruck | and not by killing the phone |
| 00:06.06 | arcean | itsnotabigtruck: nope, I just needed an image showing malf state :P |
| 00:06.38 | ieatlint | i think it's more like aegis is needed to run a number of services, and if the services fail to start, the watchdog reboots the phone |
| 00:06.44 | ieatlint | and malf kicks in when it detects a reboot loop |
| 00:07.40 | itsnotabigtruck | arcean: but i think that picture is from when somebody aegis-exec'd bash and it triggered a MALF |
| 00:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: i'm pretty sure it usually happens from an integrity failure, that's why it says 'security problem' at the bottom |
| 00:08.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it means something didn't check out |
| 00:09.34 | arcean | itsnotabigtruck: yes, you're right, but it still has "Device is malf..." text :) |
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| 00:10.47 | ieatlint | malf is a great name at least |
| 00:14.01 | itsnotabigtruck | since the aegis code is open source, for the most part, i wonder if it would be possible to rebuild aegis on top of selinux |
| 00:14.21 | itsnotabigtruck | in order to produce security enhanced meego :p |
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| 00:39.23 | merlin1991 | moving my scratchbox to a new box, great fun |
| 00:56.00 | rZr | hi |
| 01:13.21 | itsnotabigtruck | man, it's soooooo cold |
| 01:13.33 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone tried the ebuddy XMS app for meego? |
| 01:13.52 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, how tightly integrated is it with the messaging gui |
| 01:14.04 | ieatlint | not too bad here |
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| 08:57.12 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, ping |
| 09:09.29 | rantom | Has anyone else had issues with the Ovi Store lately? |
| 09:09.45 | rantom | I've been unable to download Air UI and Speed Test |
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| 09:23.05 | mja | couldn't download speedtest either |
| 09:23.17 | mja | there's another hit when you search for speedtest that works |
| 09:23.33 | mja | I couldn't download/install the QR reader either |
| 09:24.15 | rantom | Yeah, the cnLab one |
| 09:24.27 | rantom | It works but.. well, it works |
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| 09:33.35 | matrixx | hey, what was the site where was a trick how to hide icons for default app you don't use from the homescreen? |
| 09:37.09 | matrixx | I need to start gathering the tips somewhere, I always can't find everything second time :/ |
| 09:37.38 | rantom | There's a thread in talk.maemo.org for tips too |
| 09:39.07 | rantom | matrixx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78598 |
| 09:39.34 | rantom | not sure if that trick is in that list |
| 09:41.17 | matrixx | rantom: it is, it's this: http://everythingn9.com/remove-application-shortcuts-nokia-n9/ |
| 09:42.13 | rantom | matrixx: Thanks |
| 09:45.29 | rZr | hi |
| 09:56.10 | matrixx | hi |
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| 10:06.44 | djszapi | jonni ping internally |
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| 10:28.07 | kralor | o/ |
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| 11:24.02 | auenf | hmm, where is the option to avoid tolls in maps or drive? |
| 11:24.28 | auenf | and also avoid u-turns, seeing as it wants me to make an illegal u-turn at a set of lights |
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| 11:31.09 | SqRt7744 | illegal u-turns are awesome. |
| 11:32.35 | auenf | google maps does worse |
| 11:33.36 | auenf | http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Camden+Bypass%2FState+Route+89&daddr=The+Northern+Rd%2FMetroad+9&hl=en&geocode=Fck6-P0dKNb7CA%3BFdRg-v0dmsX7CA&aq=0&oq=camdensouth&sll=-33.868135,150.801086&sspn=0.539921,0.571976&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=11&ie=UTF8&ll=-34.035235,150.732851&spn=0.016839,0.017874&t=m&z=16 |
| 11:33.53 | auenf | what use is that in the route :P |
| 11:37.09 | auenf | if i can copy a link from maps.nokia.com, i can show the illegal u-turn :P |
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| 15:15.14 | SqRt7744 | quick question about the qml/c++ development: I have my qml files in src/ui, and they are listed in the .pro file under "OTHER_FILES", but the project can't find them in the shadow build debug directory when I try to run it... why aren't they getting copied over?? |
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| 15:35.33 | djszapiN950 | X-Fade, does your qmltube fork work fine on Harmattan ? |
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| 16:09.49 | gri | SqRt7744: they have to be added to INSTALLS in the .pro file. Normally the "new project" wizard does that for you |
| 16:11.54 | SqRt7744 | gri, thanks, I am porting an evopedia to harmattan, and am redesigning the interface. I got it sorted out though, created a resource file and access the files that way |
| 16:12.07 | SqRt7744 | they're compiled in now, which may be faster anyway. |
| 16:15.43 | M4rtinK | thp: you there ? :) |
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| 17:43.07 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ping |
| 17:45.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame there hasn't been more stuff uploaded to apps.formeego.org |
| 17:46.15 | ZogG_laptop | ןא 'שד |
| 17:46.21 | ZogG_laptop | it was |
| 17:46.30 | ZogG_laptop | one app is waiting for approval btw |
| 17:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | that said it's not super compelling compared to nokia's store...we need to get deeper into this open mode stuff |
| 17:47.22 | ZogG_laptop | but if you mean globally - than yes |
| 17:47.38 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe the apps.formeego.org client can be adapted into a haxx0r store |
| 17:48.00 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: i meant that there's about 10 apps, total |
| 17:48.03 | ZogG_laptop | i got khtpasswdgen =) |
| 17:48.06 | itsnotabigtruck | and almost all of them are on ovi store too |
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| 17:48.52 | itsnotabigtruck | how does the apps.formeego.org qa procedure compare to nokia's |
| 17:49.09 | itsnotabigtruck | could be useful to get sideload apps signed for delivery to non-dev mode users |
| 17:49.12 | ZogG_laptop | have no idea |
| 17:49.24 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's less of a pain than nokia's store |
| 17:50.07 | ZogG_laptop | yeah but a lot of people wouldn't want go fully opensource as well it's about oficiallity |
| 17:50.07 | itsnotabigtruck | but the thing is, anything that could possibly be approved for either store.ovi.com or apps.formeego.org can be installed from devmode anyway |
| 17:50.35 | itsnotabigtruck | ah right, one of the conditions is to get built by their build server, isn't it |
| 17:50.45 | ZogG_laptop | for example even if e.g. molome would be opensource it would be only on ovi as their target is all users and not community guys |
| 17:51.18 | itsnotabigtruck | but sideloading is easy if you have other ways to communicate with your users |
| 17:51.49 | ZogG_laptop | true, but they don't aim only for n9, so they wouldn't work so hard just for it |
| 17:51.51 | itsnotabigtruck | afaik if you have a deb signed by apps.formeego.org you can put it wherever you want and users can download it and tap to install |
| 17:52.00 | itsnotabigtruck | (or nokia store for that matter) |
| 17:52.07 | ZogG_laptop | true |
| 17:52.09 | itsnotabigtruck | though users have to toggle the relevant option first |
| 17:52.46 | ZogG_laptop | i don't get one thing |
| 17:53.00 | ZogG_laptop | if apps4meego has testing, why dooes it make QA before |
| 17:53.26 | ZogG_laptop | just make testing apps noot signed and that's it |
| 17:53.36 | itsnotabigtruck | as much as everybody's been complaining about aegis, at least it's very reasonable compared to iphone | wp7 | to some extent android |
| 17:53.53 | itsnotabigtruck | wp7 makes you pay to get less access to your phone |
| 17:54.34 | itsnotabigtruck | n9 has a free devmode that gives you exactly as much access as any non-nokia app |
| 17:55.55 | ZogG_laptop | not true |
| 17:56.09 | ZogG_laptop | there are things that re closed to dev as well |
| 17:56.21 | ZogG_laptop | for example - led |
| 17:56.31 | ZogG_laptop | but on other side we hope for open-mode |
| 17:56.34 | ZogG_laptop | ~open-mode |
| 17:56.43 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm? if you look at the aegis access lists, the apps.formeego, dev mode, and nokia store sources have identical access |
| 17:57.08 | itsnotabigtruck | only the root key can grant more access |
| 17:57.25 | ZogG_laptop | we do not have rot as well |
| 17:57.35 | ZogG_laptop | i want coffee |
| 17:57.52 | itsnotabigtruck | also because of that, shouldn't it be possible to control the led from dev mode? |
| 17:57.58 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a nokia store app that does that |
| 17:58.08 | itsnotabigtruck | so if it can you can, without any signing |
| 17:58.39 | itsnotabigtruck | [i'm assuming you mean the camera flash] |
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| 18:01.10 | ZogG_laptop | i mean the notification led |
| 18:02.22 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, well, my point was that there's things that are closed to dev mode but they're closed to everything else too |
| 18:02.38 | itsnotabigtruck | except root key-signed stuff that's only part of the firmware |
| 18:04.19 | ZogG_laptop | yeah and my poit is who made decision what and why should be closed |
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| 18:50.01 | chris_ | hello, can you submit a library package to the ovi store because I have a bunch of classes that are used by multiple apps I'm working on? |
| 18:50.34 | ieatlint | i don't believe so |
| 18:56.35 | chris_ | what would you suggest, statically linked library included in all of the app packages? |
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| 19:06.02 | ieatlint | pretty much... although unless your lib is huge, i wouldn't worry too much about it |
| 19:08.29 | M4rtinK | at least Apps ForMeeGo might get dependency handling some time in the future, though :) |
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| 19:11.00 | chris_ | it would be neat if they had a separate category for library submissions them needing no QA after all only the apps using them |
| 19:11.34 | cos^ | ovi sucks anyway, i won't be using it anymore |
| 19:11.43 | cos^ | they have also broken package updates |
| 19:12.44 | ieatlint | except that you could update a library without QA and break apps that depend on it who passed QA |
| 19:13.13 | ieatlint | interestingly, with symbian, a dll installed by one app is usable by any app |
| 19:13.14 | rantom | I kind of miss installing from .deb |
| 19:13.29 | ZogG_laptop | everyone does |
| 19:13.34 | ZogG_laptop | nd ovi uses deb |
| 19:13.38 | ZogG_laptop | but not the same way |
| 19:13.39 | cos^ | ieatlint: that happens on any distribution, and can be avoided by having separate testing repo |
| 19:13.41 | rantom | But until the one-click-flashers come available from Nokia itself I won't root my N9 |
| 19:13.52 | chris_ | ieatlint, in meego it is too |
| 19:14.07 | cos^ | there is apps.formeego.com if you want proper repository with updates & all |
| 19:14.14 | rantom | True |
| 19:14.18 | ieatlint | cos^: yeah, QA |
| 19:14.27 | cos^ | but i don't think it supports commercial sw |
| 19:14.47 | ieatlint | rantom: also, don't expect a OCF for the n9 to ever come out |
| 19:14.53 | chris_ | coffee costs money |
| 19:14.55 | rantom | But, correct me if I'm wrong, it can mess the device up? Or was that the -testing repository, the "unofficial testing repository for Harmattan"/etc? |
| 19:15.10 | rantom | ieatlint: Yep, kind of prepared for that |
| 19:15.39 | rantom | Maybe I'll root it in.. 2013 October when the warranty is out :D |
| 19:15.58 | ieatlint | i'm not clear what you mean by "root" it |
| 19:16.05 | ieatlint | you mean the openmode stuff? |
| 19:16.07 | rantom | Yes |
| 19:16.12 | chris_ | he means killing aegis |
| 19:16.22 | rantom | Well not necessarily |
| 19:16.25 | ieatlint | ah, yeah, how's the cert stuff going with that? |
| 19:16.33 | ieatlint | last i heard things like ssl and accounts didn't work |
| 19:16.45 | rantom | But I mean enabling developer-mode and alternative sources to install packages |
| 19:17.01 | rantom | But maybe replacing Aegis too, if I can find some use for it |
| 19:17.15 | rantom | ieatlint: I think they do work now just fine |
| 19:17.19 | chris_ | I openmoded one of my n9's, still cant install with proper certs |
| 19:17.25 | rantom | nvm then |
| 19:18.12 | ieatlint | well, you can do alternative sources without even enabling dev mode |
| 19:18.21 | rantom | ieatlint: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81579 |
| 19:18.39 | rantom | Yeah |
| 19:19.15 | rantom | But I'll stick with the Ovi Store for now |
| 19:19.30 | rantom | I do have the N950 too so |
| 19:19.34 | thp | M4rtinK: here now |
| 19:19.43 | rantom | No need to worry about the warranty in that :) |
| 19:21.53 | rantom | Some sort of update of the Ovi Store or the broken apps would be nice though |
| 19:22.12 | rantom | Since I can't install Air UI nor Speed Test (as I mentioned earlier) |
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| 19:32.49 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i saw you port of gtk+ + python |
| 19:33.30 | ZogG_laptop | is there any app using it alrady? |
| 19:33.34 | ZogG_laptop | already* |
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| 20:09.20 | divan | Is there a howto how to create Dummy network for USB Networking for N9(50), like in N900? |
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| 20:25.00 | dm8tbr | isn't that just SDK mode? |
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| 20:33.18 | M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: I got unmodified modRana running |
| 20:33.48 | M4rtinK | modRana uses Cairo and GTK through PyGTK |
| 20:34.26 | M4rtinK | but haven't heard about any other uses so far |
| 20:36.13 | M4rtinK | also, there are three main issues: plain GTK widgets look ugly without that Hildon theme/tweaks, virtual keyboard is not triggered and it won't build in some OBS repositories |
| 20:39.19 | admiral0 | M4rtinK: pics or it didn't happen |
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| 20:45.54 | M4rtinK | admiral0: http://modrana.org/images/N950/ |
| 20:46.59 | admiral0 | gtk widgets screenshots? |
| 20:47.07 | M4rtinK | also, if somebody is interested in continuing the porting effort, everything is in: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3AMartinK%3Agtk |
| 20:47.38 | M4rtinK | the gtk-fremantle package |
| 20:48.34 | M4rtinK | well, that's a gtk.Widget drawn by Cairo :) |
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| 20:58.57 | M4rtinK | admiral0: this is how a dialogue + label and entry box look like: http://modrana.org/images/N950/N950_modRana_GTK_entry_widget.jpg |
| 20:59.14 | M4rtinK | would need either a proper theme |
| 20:59.27 | M4rtinK | or at least a device specific size |
| 20:59.42 | M4rtinK | also note that id does not trigger the virtual keyboard |
| 21:00.23 | admiral0 | interesting |
| 21:03.47 | M4rtinK | seems also quite fast on the N950 BTW |
| 21:12.03 | admiral0 | cpu/gpu combo is better |
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| 21:29.45 | M4rtinK | yeah |
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| 21:46.53 | coffetime | hi there |
| 21:47.36 | coffetime | I have a sqlite database and I don't want it to be readable |
| 21:47.41 | coffetime | by user |
| 21:47.44 | coffetime | just my app |
| 21:47.50 | coffetime | what's the best solution? |
| 21:48.00 | djszapi | aegisfs and protected storage. |
| 21:48.00 | coffetime | it's a readonly database |
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| 21:48.44 | coffetime | any documents on aegisfs? |
| 21:49.24 | admiral0 | interested too |
| 21:49.42 | djszapi | coffetime: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security.html |
| 21:50.20 | coffetime | ty |
| 21:52.14 | djszapi | you can have weaker defenses too, like no readable flag set, but that is not that safe. |
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| 21:53.59 | admiral0 | ok |
| 21:55.02 | admiral0 | so aegisfs is like a ecryptfs with different name and belonging to group crypto |
| 21:55.17 | djszapi | no |
| 21:56.04 | admiral0 | ? |
| 21:56.09 | djszapi | there are huge differences between them |
| 21:57.40 | admiral0 | nice trick protecting /proc btw |
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| 22:01.54 | faenil | admiral0: where you from, in Italy? |
| 22:02.00 | admiral0 | Milano |
| 22:02.10 | faenil | my gf's from Piario :) |
| 22:02.14 | admiral0 | near there anyways |
| 22:02.17 | faenil | yup |
| 22:03.17 | ieatlint | apparently your coast guard has balls |
| 22:03.22 | faenil | lol |
| 22:03.30 | ieatlint | hilarious to see those transcripts, etc :P |
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| 22:03.45 | admiral0 | yes, but he keeps them out of reach when on board |
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| 22:04.05 | faenil | ouch |
| 22:04.06 | faenil | left :D |
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| 22:04.22 | admiral0 | i feel i could be a better captain than him |
| 22:04.39 | ieatlint | pretty sure anyone could |
| 22:04.40 | admiral0 | even if i can't drive(?) a ship |
| 22:04.56 | admiral0 | even if i know little about naval rules |
| 22:05.04 | admiral0 | even if i can't swim |
| 22:05.25 | ieatlint | the story just keeps getting weirder... they're now saying nearly an hour after it happened, he ordered dinner from the ship's kitchen |
| 22:05.37 | ieatlint | it's kept me entertained at work this week |
| 22:05.51 | admiral0 | the funniest parts are the calls |
| 22:06.07 | admiral0 | "get your ass on the ship!" |
| 22:06.09 | djszapi | how could I fill in a repeater model with the letter of a string if the string is generated randomly for each button click for instance ? |
| 22:06.17 | djszapi | letters* |
| 22:06.50 | faenil | :O |
| 22:06.55 | ieatlint | he didn't mean to evacuate, he tripped and fell into a life boat |
| 22:07.02 | ieatlint | will use that excuse |
| 22:07.42 | admiral0 | nah, he accidentally a nokia 3310 |
| 22:07.49 | admiral0 | is that bad btw? |
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| 22:17.35 | wirwe | ahhh … guys! is there a kind of trashfolder for files that are deleted using `rm` on the n9? |
| 22:17.56 | djszapi | yeah |
| 22:18.24 | ieatlint | what? there's a trash folder for rm? |
| 22:18.30 | admiral0 | yes |
| 22:18.33 | djszapi | of course |
| 22:18.37 | ieatlint | weird |
| 22:18.38 | admiral0 | look in /dev/null |
| 22:18.45 | ieatlint | heh, yeah |
| 22:19.43 | M4rtinK | or /dev/random (as using rm on a file is basically game over for the unfortunate file) |
| 22:19.47 | djszapi | wirwe: all I saw was a filemanager deletion. |
| 22:19.59 | admiral0 | to reverse rm -rf /. -r stands for reverse, -f stands for folder |
| 22:20.03 | djszapi | and trash folder for that inside the user directory |
| 22:20.31 | M4rtinK | admiral0: that's not nice |
| 22:20.37 | admiral0 | trolololo |
| 22:21.16 | coffetime | you can make alias on rm |
| 22:21.18 | M4rtinK | -r = recursive -f = override all warnings / = filesystem root folder |
| 22:21.31 | M4rtinK | coffetime: good point |
| 22:22.35 | coffetime | I have it on my desktop |
| 22:22.41 | ieatlint | heh, so yeah, pretty much assume anything you delete with rm is permanently gone |
| 22:22.46 | coffetime | and it moves file to temp |
| 22:23.21 | ieatlint | there are exceptions... especially if it was in MyDocs, but it's never a guarantee, and walking someone through it is painful |
| 22:23.34 | ieatlint | coffetime: that's dangerous |
| 22:23.42 | ieatlint | not the moving things to temp, but the alias of rm |
| 22:23.54 | ieatlint | if you change its behaviour, you create the risk of a false sense of security |
| 22:24.10 | ieatlint | suddenly your user profile gets overwritten or something, and files ou thought were safe until reboot are actually gone |
| 22:24.30 | ieatlint | better off using a new name |
| 22:25.44 | wirwe | admiral0: /dev/null and /dev/random are no folders. how can i undelete my files? |
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| 22:26.21 | djszapi | wirwe: only if you have backups, like the editors tend to do on host laptops. |
| 22:26.24 | coffetime | iealint: I'm still using it as rm, I don't rely on it |
| 22:26.27 | ieatlint | wirwe: he was being sarcastic. they're gone |
| 22:26.35 | admiral0 | wirwe: there is no way. rm is single way |
| 22:26.43 | coffetime | I've actually never used it yet |
| 22:26.46 | admiral0 | rm removes and you cannot recover |
| 22:27.01 | djszapi | yes, you can |
| 22:27.11 | djszapi | but that requires a bit more investigation |
| 22:27.21 | djszapi | with specialized companies for the task. |
| 22:27.23 | wirwe | haha. not funny. okay, so i need my .desktop-files back. is there a website, where i can download .desktop-files of some standard-programs? |
| 22:27.24 | ieatlint | coffetime: fair enough, i just generally caution people about changing default behaviours of core utils :) |
| 22:27.25 | admiral0 | djszapi: i know, ddrescue, photorec and such |
| 22:27.52 | djszapi | wirwe: what did you exactly delete ? |
| 22:28.10 | ieatlint | haha, deleted all the .desktop files? |
| 22:28.38 | admiral0 | that is nasty |
| 22:29.07 | ieatlint | yeah, i would ask someone to tar up their .desktop files, and then have you reinstall any non-standard apps |
| 22:29.41 | wirwe | no not all.^^ i had them twice, so i deleted one. it worked perfectly until i rebooted. :-( now the second one is missed also |
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| 22:30.18 | admiral0 | what desktop file? |
| 22:30.33 | wirwe | the desktop files for the standard-webbrowser, the standardmailprogramm and fmobi |
| 22:32.10 | coffetime | huh |
| 22:32.26 | admiral0 | wirwe: http://pastebin.com/Azm5tSJZ |
| 22:32.32 | admiral0 | that was the browser |
| 22:32.43 | wirwe | thank you :-) |
| 22:33.03 | admiral0 | http://pastebin.com/yLkCSjdX |
| 22:33.06 | admiral0 | mail |
| 22:33.32 | admiral0 | can't help with fmobi as i don't have it installed unless it's the default one |
| 22:34.34 | wirwe | thanks. that's great. does anyone else have fmobi installed and can copy&paste the .desktop-file for me? |
| 22:35.02 | djszapi | what is fmobi ? |
| 22:36.01 | wirwe | a facebook app |
| 22:36.09 | admiral0 | fmobi was an application for n900 afaik |
| 22:36.20 | faenil | qt app for facebook |
| 22:36.24 | faenil | qml iirc |
| 22:36.28 | djszapi | apparently the facebook client: http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/10/fmobi-%E2%80%93-facebook-client-nokia-phones/ |
| 22:36.50 | djszapi | the builtin facebook client is qml based |
| 22:36.52 | wirwe | unfortenately the standard-facebook-app doesn not suppert groups. |
| 22:36.52 | faenil | now, wonder what you use on your N950s/N9s :P |
| 22:37.00 | djszapi | though the package is not called facebook by any mean |
| 22:37.30 | djszapi | fmobi* |
| 22:38.24 | djszapi | 2 EUR in Ovi, and I do not have the sake to download the trial. |
| 22:38.51 | faenil | isn't it free anymore? :O |
| 22:39.19 | ieatlint | you can probably just reinstall the app |
| 22:39.42 | ieatlint | even "apt-get install fmobi" should work with devel-su |
| 22:39.52 | wirwe | reinstall and paying 2€ again? :-( |
| 22:40.00 | djszapi | no |
| 22:40.06 | ieatlint | it should be tied to your nokia account |
| 22:40.08 | djszapi | you can redownload it from ovi again |
| 22:40.14 | wirwe | okay, i will try |
| 22:40.20 | djszapi | I think 10 times or so |
| 22:40.49 | ieatlint | i've not actually bought stuff from ovi |
| 22:41.05 | djszapi | bad boy |
| 22:41.31 | ieatlint | i've published stuff to ovi, does that help? |
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| 22:41.41 | djszapi | if crappy app, yes. |
| 22:41.47 | djszapi | =) |
| 22:41.50 | ieatlint | i should just start publishing shitty apps and charging $20 for them |
| 22:42.05 | ieatlint | behold my new app, "Rectangle" .. it displays a rectangle on the screen! |
| 22:42.22 | ieatlint | it's got pointy edges and is rather geometric |
| 22:42.51 | djszapi | has anybody tried the root the device completely app from Ovi ? |
| 22:42.55 | djszapi | :D |
| 22:43.44 | admiral0 | brb doing "I am rich" |
| 22:43.50 | admiral0 | XD |
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| 23:34.58 | ajalkane | So... any opinions on PR1.2? |
| 23:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | opinions? |
| 23:37.47 | Tronic | I think it sucks that it isn't available yet. |
| 23:39.41 | faenil | is it out? |
| 23:40.10 | ieatlint | i think it's brilliant, it shows true imagination |
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| 23:44.05 | faenil | is there any release date for n950 pr 1.2? |
| 23:47.18 | ajalkane | I think it will finally bring MeeGo feature parity with WP Mango |
| 23:48.28 | faenil | mmm |
| 23:49.32 | ajalkane | What's missing, you ask, my answer: ... hmm... The browser is faster in Mango. |
| 23:49.50 | ieatlint | that's not really feature parity |
| 23:49.52 | ieatlint | that's performance |
| 23:49.54 | ajalkane | Oh... did I tell you, I lost my temper today |
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| 23:50.00 | faenil | ajalkane: what's missing? too much! :D |
| 23:50.37 | ajalkane | I saw today in one of the operator shops, they were taking down the N9 stand because they're replacing it with Lumia stands. |
| 23:50.50 | faenil | Lumia = smooth |
| 23:50.57 | ieatlint | you should've asked for the n9 stand |
| 23:51.02 | ajalkane | I lost my temper. Totally. Berzerk. |
| 23:51.02 | faenil | harmattan just can't keep up with it atm... |
| 23:51.22 | faenil | harmattan = qt world, dev paradise |
| 23:51.30 | ajalkane | I'm going to go there, next week, and wait until those sales people start harassing me. |
| 23:51.37 | ieatlint | in related news: random harmattan supporter arrested, pyschiatric evaluation ordered |
| 23:52.30 | ajalkane | Going berzerk in my case means I'm swyping furiously angry chat messages with N950 |
| 23:52.48 | ajalkane | I'm kinda lame like that |
| 23:53.11 | ajalkane | If I was more of a man I would have gone there, wrecked the lumia stand, took out my N950 and burned some shit with the Flashlight app |
| 23:53.42 | ieatlint | i would've asked for the n9 stand, would be a funny souvenier |
| 23:53.51 | ieatlint | i have a bunch of meego stuff that will only get funnier with time |
| 23:54.11 | ajalkane | Well... the stand was the same, they just replaced the phones and the posters |
| 23:54.57 | ajalkane | But like I raged in my incoherent IMs, it'll be me laughing in few months time when the customers realize what they've bought. |
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| 23:55.31 | faenil | come on ajalkane, lumia is better for the average joe |
| 23:55.32 | ieatlint | you think they'll like the phone for a few months and then suddenly go "oh shit, no, it sucks" ? |
| 23:55.37 | ajalkane | I can't even bear to sell my Lumia 800, as I'd feel bad for making disappointed |
| 23:56.18 | ieatlint | faenil: i actually wouldn't even argue that... harmattan is pretty user friendly |
| 23:56.23 | ajalkane | I think they'll try using it for few months, and when the "oh look at that flying text thingy" wears off, they realize this motherfucker doesn't even have a unix shell or ssh server. |
| 23:56.51 | ieatlint | and despite MS's insistance that they wanted to integrate "people" into things, i find the n9's messaging and social networking integration to be more seamless, and less EULA |
| 23:57.20 | faenil | ieatlint: but it's nowhere near WP regarding smoothness |
| 23:57.20 | ieatlint | haha, yeah, i can imagine the average user 3 months down the road going "oh shit, i don't have an ssh server!" |
| 23:57.36 | ieatlint | faenil: it's on par or better than android |
| 23:57.57 | faenil | ieatlint: +1, I'm not comparing it to android :) |
| 23:57.59 | ieatlint | and i really don't see the "smoothness" everyone keeps insisting with wp7.. |
| 23:58.07 | faenil | you don't see it? |
| 23:58.15 | faenil | nothing ever lagged since I had lumia.. |
| 23:58.17 | ieatlint | not to the extent people say |
| 23:58.30 | ajalkane | I just want to see those sales people faces when they try pushing me Lumia when I go ask about N9 |
| 23:58.32 | faenil | only Nokia's Apps Highlights app.... (-.-) |
| 23:58.33 | ieatlint | i also don't like metro.. the cut off text is just odd |
| 23:59.20 | ieatlint | and i find the UI on harmattan more intuitive |
| 23:59.30 | ieatlint | it does have a 2min learning curve, but that's it |
| 23:59.34 | ajalkane | It's smooth. But you can't even transfer stuff with USB cable into it. What, how am I gonna transfer stuff on and off the thing without a Windows machine somewhere? |
