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| 05:00.27 | itsnotabigtruck | http://musicforhackers.com/ check this out |
| 05:21.41 | beford | im not a hacker |
| 05:29.56 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: then become one! then listen to the music, because it's solid |
| 05:31.58 | ieatlint | perhaps not the best place to advertise random unrelated websites |
| 05:43.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: it's irc, in the middle of the night, of course it is :p and you could listen to it while you hack your N9 |
| 05:48.54 | ieatlint | "middle of night" is incredibly relative, and it makes about as much sense as me advertising pizza hut |
| 05:49.00 | ieatlint | come on, lighten up, eat a slice while you hack |
| 06:07.34 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: maybe if you could get pizza free instantly over the internet :D |
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| 08:02.18 | hiemanshu | ~update |
| 08:02.19 | infobot | methinks update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
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| 10:48.31 | nix-cyrus | hi. is in archlinux any pkgbuild for harmattan architecture for qt-creator? or the best way just download and install binary package from qt site? |
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| 10:54.26 | djszapi | nix-cyrus: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=49854 -> I see only this one |
| 10:54.36 | djszapi | aur is your friend on Archlinux ;-) |
| 10:57.28 | nix-cyrus | djszapi: yeah) I found this package too.. but just don't sure.. is if for Maemo6 (Nokia) or for real Meego (Intel) |
| 10:58.10 | djszapi | no real clue, but what is wrong about doing it "cleanly" ? |
| 10:58.25 | ZogG_laptop | cleanly |
| 10:58.27 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 10:58.48 | djszapi | yes, from the official instructions, Nokia. |
| 10:59.02 | ZogG_laptop | you mean from site |
| 10:59.17 | djszapi | yes, of course. |
| 10:59.50 | nix-cyrus | ok. thnx. |
| 10:59.55 | ZogG_laptop | thats what i said him too |
| 11:01.04 | djszapi | nix-cyrus: you are welcome for making a proper AUR package ;) |
| 11:02.14 | nix-cyrus | djszapi: good idea) but I need something like "Installation guide" for it |
| 11:02.27 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i talked to qt maintainers of gentoo, there are certain parts they couldn't make ebuild for (gentoo) so i'm not sure if it plossible |
| 11:02.48 | ZogG_laptop | nix-cyrus: there is no installation guide - it's blob installer |
| 11:02.59 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: ebuild is the worst hack ever for packaging. |
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| 11:04.56 | djszapi | (at least it was a nightmare 5-6 years ago) |
| 11:06.43 | Sput | djszapi: compared to arch's bash script hackery, it's elegant, advanced and powerful. |
| 11:07.33 | djszapi | Sput: took me 5 minutes to update vim on arch without knowledge, and could never manage it with ebuild in 2-3 days. |
| 11:07.40 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i find it the best thing as it's flexible and it's mostly for opensource |
| 11:07.42 | djszapi | (but my last sentence on the topic, because it is off) |
| 11:08.11 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: if you couldn't get it - it was mostly not ebuild problems =D |
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| 11:09.05 | Sput | djszapi: uh, cp vim-7.3.393.ebuild vim-7.3.409.ebuild |
| 11:09.13 | Sput | is all it takes to update the package :P |
| 11:09.16 | faenil | morning people :) |
| 11:09.39 | djszapi | Sput ideally, but ask the gentoo developer who tried to help, and he had not ideas either. |
| 11:09.44 | Sput | O_o |
| 11:09.56 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: even vim-9999 from git would be easy to do from git/svn or what ever, it's automagical |
| 11:10.05 | Sput | I blame that on a communication failure, not on the ebuild format |
| 11:10.16 | ZogG_laptop | agreed |
| 11:10.26 | ZogG_laptop | as total noob i even managed to make ebuild |
| 11:10.30 | Sput | and really, complaining about ebuild when coming from arch sounds completely weird :) |
| 11:10.34 | djszapi | Sput communication failure on how to run a cp ? :D |
| 11:10.37 | djszapi | Are you serious ? :D |
| 11:11.08 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: its not only copy, you need to have your local portage first of all set up properly |
| 11:11.14 | djszapi | imo I even asked on iirc, and nobody had ideas |
| 11:11.19 | Sput | djszapi: I would assume that this developer didn't get what you want, or the other way round, since obviously it can't be impossible to easily update vim |
| 11:11.24 | ZogG_laptop | and than you need to ebuild *.ebuild digest |
| 11:11.26 | djszapi | so nobody can communicate them on their channel ? :D |
| 11:11.27 | ZogG_laptop | and than install |
| 11:11.59 | djszapi | Sput: it is not just about vim, but yes the developers on irc had no ideas either |
| 11:12.13 | Sput | I'm just checking the diffs between the ebuilds for the various vim versions, and it's tiny to zero. |
| 11:12.42 | djszapi | maybe they fixed the issues with the creepy system that was like that 6 years ago |
| 11:12.43 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: almost everything i want to do on gentoo was already done and explained in the internet - so google would give you step by step explaination and ebuild itself =0 |
| 11:12.48 | Sput | generally Gentoo devs know how to bump package versions, otherwise we wouldn't be bleeding edge :P |
| 11:13.07 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: so why don't you provide a qtcreator package in 2 mins, mmmh ? |
| 11:13.15 | Sput | we have a qtcreator package |
| 11:13.17 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: coz it's blob |
| 11:13.21 | djszapi | Sput gentoo was not really bleeding edge at all |
| 11:13.31 | ZogG_laptop | and yes they have, it just lack of certain parts |
| 11:13.33 | djszapi | Sput especially after almost the whole team left them |
| 11:13.42 | Sput | djszapi: obviously, you're talking about a different Gentoo then. |
| 11:13.47 | djszapi | all the old developers, mostly back then |
| 11:13.47 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 11:14.12 | Sput | because the Gentoo I was using for the past 12 years was always pretty much bleeding edge, always had competent developers, and was always able to bump packages. |
| 11:14.26 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i think you don't know what you are talking, i'm on gentoo for about 6 years |
| 11:14.31 | djszapi | so bleeding edge I got answers for serious bugs after 1-2 years :D |
| 11:14.50 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: I agree. this doesn't match reality at all |
| 11:14.52 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I used it for at least 6 years |
| 11:14.57 | djszapi | and I stopped it 4 years ago |
| 11:15.12 | Sput | we do 0day releases for KDE and Qt, for example |
| 11:15.13 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i moved to funtoo now =) |
| 11:15.29 | djszapi | I left gentoo not much after the core team left |
| 11:15.35 | djszapi | because it got screwed up then |
| 11:15.37 | Sput | which core team left |
| 11:15.45 | Sput | there was never any core team leaving |
| 11:15.55 | ZogG_laptop | mayeb he means drobbin? |
| 11:15.58 | Sput | drobbins was kicked out, that was about all, and it didn't hurt Gentoo |
| 11:16.02 | djszapi | of course there was |
| 11:16.13 | djszapi | many gentoo developers left because of the arrogance of the new developers. |
| 11:16.17 | Sput | lol |
| 11:16.22 | Sput | really, must be a different Gentoo |
| 11:16.27 | djszapi | it seems you are not really a long gentoo community watcher :) |
| 11:16.37 | Sput | the one in your universe is probably also dying, right? |
| 11:16.37 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: actually never got that, i think his visionary is what made Gentoo like it is (actually he did it) |
| 11:17.13 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: djszapi right, some maintainers and stuff left, but hardly core team |
| 11:17.28 | Sput | djszapi: I am a Gentoo user for 11 years now, I have helped with development for at least 4 years, and been involved in community longer than that |
| 11:17.28 | djszapi | /many/ core members |
| 11:17.35 | ZogG_laptop | and people leave and come in any distro - it's normal |
| 11:17.42 | djszapi | hahahahaha |
| 11:17.50 | Sput | and clearly, the Gentoo you describe never existed |
| 11:18.18 | djszapi | Sput so you are saying I am lying and I was able to update my vim package ? |
| 11:18.19 | Sput | since I am almost sober, it can't be my reality that's broken :P |
| 11:18.26 | djszapi | after 2-3 days hard try ? |
| 11:18.37 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you did it wrong |
| 11:18.42 | Sput | you could describe what kind of "2-3 days hard try" you did |
| 11:18.45 | Sput | and what the error was |
| 11:18.46 | djszapi | it can be done wrong for 2-3 days ? |
| 11:18.53 | djszapi | I am sorry, but I am not interested in an error-prone thingie |
| 11:18.54 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yes |
| 11:19.05 | Sput | I still assume that there is some misunderstanding somewhere |
| 11:19.10 | djszapi | such an error prone which can be made wrong for 2-3 days, a simple update. |
| 11:19.14 | Sput | lol |
| 11:19.17 | djszapi | even for developers. |
| 11:19.18 | Sput | and that's coming from an arch user? |
| 11:19.30 | Sput | where you have to frickin edit bash scripts to adapt packages? |
| 11:19.35 | Sput | not even USE flags? |
| 11:19.37 | djszapi | Sput: of course I do not remember by heart what happened 8 years ago |
| 11:19.56 | Sput | djszapi: and yet you base your disgust of a whole distro on that |
| 11:19.59 | ZogG_laptop | i tried arch - gentoo is just logical - that's why i still use it, all the arch, ubuntu and other distros are mess |
| 11:20.11 | djszapi | Sput wrong interpretation |
| 11:20.28 | djszapi | many people said ebuild is horrible (including me) |
| 11:20.37 | Sput | don't blame the ebuild format on an issue you had 8 years ago and can't even remember :) |
| 11:20.44 | djszapi | and after the fluctuation, many gentoo dev came to arch. |
| 11:20.53 | ZogG_laptop | WHO? |
| 11:21.02 | Sput | don't get me wrong, I have tried arch and I like some of its concepts, even the community |
| 11:21.09 | ZogG_laptop | i know people migrating, but not devs |
| 11:21.15 | Sput | but it's in no way more elegant, easier to use or has better packaging than Gentoo |
| 11:21.32 | djszapi | Sput I got bugreport replies for serious bugs in 1-2 year |
| 11:21.35 | djszapi | s |
| 11:21.40 | djszapi | and still no asnweres for some. |
| 11:21.46 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: link me to them |
| 11:21.49 | djszapi | is this the bleeding edge thingie ? :) |
| 11:21.56 | Sput | these pkgbuilds are a weak emulation of ebuilds, there are no USE flags, you have to frickin manually edit a pkgbuild if you want to install a package not in default configuration |
| 11:22.07 | Sput | how is that easier or more elegant than ebuilds and USE flags? |
| 11:22.27 | djszapi | I do not care about use flags. |
| 11:22.34 | djszapi | it makes my life actually a bit harder |
| 11:22.45 | djszapi | you know, KISS, I just install the stuff, or build and done |
| 11:22.51 | Sput | use ubuntu then :P |
| 11:22.54 | djszapi | I do not care about space nowadays, if I can truncate 10 MB out. |
| 11:23.01 | ZogG_laptop | use windows than |
| 11:23.02 | Sput | it never worked like that on arch either |
| 11:23.15 | djszapi | Sput buntu is not up to date |
| 11:23.16 | Sput | both Gentoo and Arch pretty much target the same users |
| 11:23.28 | djszapi | and there is no real reason for changing a distribution you have been using for many years, if it works for you. |
| 11:23.35 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: ubuntu is up2date |
| 11:23.43 | ZogG_laptop | just use right ppa's |
| 11:23.44 | djszapi | hahahahaha |
| 11:23.52 | ZogG_laptop | as well a lot of stuff nowdays are made for ubuntu |
| 11:23.56 | Sput | of course not. I'm not asking you to switch, I'm asking you to stop unfounded criticism on the distro I have chosen |
| 11:24.07 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: it's not uptodate, really |
| 11:24.14 | Sput | I have to use it at work :P |
| 11:24.26 | Sput | it's much better than debian though |
| 11:24.36 | Sput | when it comes to uptodateness |
| 11:24.38 | djszapi | Sput: you are saying I cannot have an opinion about things ? I do not need the slavery back :p |
| 11:24.48 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: depends on what you use, i know a lot of devs and shinny program today aimed to ubuntu first of all |
| 11:25.06 | djszapi | if I can do a vim update wrong for 2-3 days, and developers do not need either how to fix. |
| 11:25.12 | djszapi | I am sorry, but I cannot say positive things. |
| 11:25.23 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: djszapi as well installing from git repos and halfready things - is not up2date as well imho |
| 11:26.03 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't believe it was actuall developer and i think yu just can't say you was wrong, that's my opinion |
| 11:26.13 | Sput | djszapi: well, since you seem to base your whole opinion on an incident that happened 8 years ago and that noone can remember, I'm not taking it too seriously, and just state my own opinion that the ebuild/portage packaging is the most adanced, most flexible and easiest since sliced bread. |
| 11:26.22 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: thanks for saying I am now lying. |
| 11:27.30 | djszapi | Sput: you are seriously saying I recall every accident off-hand happened 8-10 years ago, I mean really ? :D |
| 11:27.38 | Sput | that said, I still would have an Arch installation somewhere if it didn't commit suicide on upgrade |
| 11:27.51 | djszapi | but of course all I did what I would do on arch: bump the version |
| 11:28.02 | djszapi | andno link changed, nothing, but got confusing portage thingie |
| 11:28.03 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: i use unstable and there few things i use that are hard mask, but still i do not update kernel everyday, coz i don't see any point, as well as software, i update once in a week mostly, the important thing for me is to update if certain\important things to me were fixed |
| 11:28.26 | djszapi | Sput: same with portage emerge world really |
| 11:28.32 | djszapi | something always blew up :) |
| 11:28.38 | Sput | djszapi: no, but I am saying if something happened to you that long ago (it started with "4 years ago" and is now "8-10 years ago" btw), then maybe it's about time to just forget about it and check the current situation before making a fool out of yourself for publishing unfounded criticizm |
| 11:29.22 | djszapi | I do not need this tone sorry, so I am leaving. |
| 11:29.26 | Sput | I'm not judging the quality of opensuse or debian on the version from 2001 either. |
| 11:29.46 | djszapi | Sput: if you read back I wrote this: 13:04 < djszapi> (at least it was a nightmare 5-6 years ago) |
| 11:30.03 | ZogG_laptop | as far as i know i had portage updates problems - till i understood it was me doing wrong |
| 11:30.09 | djszapi | and honestly, the whole ebuild stuff read very hard for me. |
| 11:30.34 | ZogG_laptop | as well as i tried arch and i know there was pacman update that ruined the installation at all |
| 11:30.35 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what can you do wrong with an update command, seriously ? :) |
| 11:30.35 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: it had update problems (muchly improved by now), but less than, say, apt |
| 11:30.46 | Sput | but didn't we talk about bumping a package version? |
| 11:30.48 | djszapi | arch does not use apt. |
| 11:30.49 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: depends and flags |
| 11:30.50 | Sput | now it's about upgrading the system? |
| 11:31.08 | Sput | see, that's what I meant earlier with "misunderstanding", it's not always easy to understand what's meant :) |
| 11:31.26 | djszapi | Sput: you are the only one now misunderstanding |
| 11:31.29 | Sput | I know that arch doesn't use apt :) |
| 11:31.34 | djszapi | you were confusing distro upgrade into the topic with suiciding |
| 11:31.42 | djszapi | I just reacted for your bypass, it is basically the same on gentoo |
| 11:31.46 | djszapi | at least it was many many years ago |
| 11:31.48 | Sput | ah. |
| 11:31.54 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: you was talking about one package only at first =) |
| 11:32.03 | djszapi | definitely. |
| 11:32.07 | Sput | well yeah, many many years ago you could kill a Gentoo on upgrade too. much harder nowadays |
| 11:32.10 | djszapi | but as I said, it is not just a vim issue |
| 11:32.12 | Sput | and still easy with apt |
| 11:32.18 | djszapi | was no way in the hell, the ebuild read nicely. |
| 11:32.36 | Sput | and iDunno what happened to my Arch installation, it followed the instructions and it failed and was not recoverable |
| 11:32.37 | djszapi | Sput: I have never said it is like that nowadays |
| 11:32.42 | Arkenoi | a guy on local forum (maemos.ru) sold everything nokia gave him for last years -- 2*n900, e7, n9 and n950, for ~$2K total. Too bad I did not monitor it frequently enough :-( |
| 11:32.43 | djszapi | (since I do not use it) |
| 11:32.47 | Sput | *I followed |
| 11:32.58 | Sput | which is sad, because I wanted to give my parents Arch boxen |
| 11:33.12 | Sput | I really like that distro, but I can't handle it :) |
| 11:33.41 | djszapi | Sput: I will look for the mailing list thread about the gentoo devs leaving. |
| 11:33.47 | Sput | sure |
| 11:33.53 | djszapi | I need to poke my friend how was a gentoo developer and he also left. |
| 11:33.56 | Sput | we have devs leaving all the time, and getting new ones all the time |
| 11:34.07 | djszapi | it is not the usual stuff |
| 11:34.09 | Sput | that's why we're proudly dying since 2001. |
| 11:34.19 | djszapi | old developers got really pissed off about the newcoming and arrogant developers |
| 11:34.36 | Sput | there was some incident with the original KDE maintainers |
| 11:34.46 | Sput | and there was the drobbins affair |
| 11:34.49 | djszapi | that is yet another interesting thing, gentoo lists 1000+ developers, and arch has like 30 :p |
| 11:34.52 | Sput | other than that, I can't remember anything |
| 11:34.57 | Sput | we have around 250 developers |
| 11:35.11 | Sput | I would assume that Gentoo is going to have the largest team at FOSDEM again |
| 11:35.26 | Sput | we were like 35-40 people at last year's FOSDEM, no other distro even came close |
| 11:35.31 | djszapi | I will not wear the "Gentoo ftl" T-Shirt then :D |
| 11:35.38 | Sput | hehehe |
| 11:35.41 | ZogG_laptop | Arkenoi: why would he do it? |
| 11:36.00 | Sput | anyway, shower, then train. |
| 11:36.11 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: what you say about funtoo? |
| 11:36.17 | djszapi | do not get me wrong, I loved gentoo as a user |
| 11:36.42 | djszapi | I just was not able to package so efficiently as on arch, and after the big leave, the quality decrease of the distribution was realizable. |
| 11:37.47 | nix-cyrus | every distrs are fine guys) |
| 11:39.58 | Arkenoi | ZogG_laptop, no idea, but i'd happily buy all his stuff |
| 11:40.44 | Arkenoi | having a spare n950 to get rid of constant fear of breaking or losing one would be nice :-) |
| 11:41.46 | RST38h | Arkenoi <-- voicing my fears exactly |
| 11:42.07 | ZogG_laptop | i have no n950 at all |
| 11:47.31 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: not sure. I was using the funtoo stages for a while, but nowadays Gentoo produces usable and uptodate stage3s by themselves |
| 11:47.55 | Sput | I haven't really followed much, other than drobbins becoming a Gentoo dev again a couple years ago, and getting kicked out again afaik |
| 11:48.36 | djszapi | also, cannot really afford gentoo at the company. |
| 11:48.43 | djszapi | and I can afford arch. |
| 11:48.46 | Sput | but the difference between gentoo and funtoo is rather small anyway |
| 11:48.56 | Sput | djszapi: yeah, well, of course :) |
| 11:49.02 | Sput | I don't think we could switch Nokia to Gentoo either |
| 11:49.11 | Sput | so I'll have to cope with kubuntu |
| 11:49.13 | djszapi | well, I am allowed to do that |
| 11:49.21 | djszapi | but I would not personally do... |
| 11:49.40 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: nokians? |
| 11:49.47 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: yes? |
| 11:49.50 | djszapi | no way to update packages, and then why gentoo ? |
| 11:49.59 | ZogG_laptop | Sput: set them gentoo + awesome wm =) |
| 11:50.04 | djszapi | and I like using the same os at home and work, really, so comfy... :D |
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| 11:50.32 | ZogG_laptop | i use xubuntu at work |
| 11:50.34 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: I honestly don't want to be involved in supporting that |
| 11:50.47 | Sput | I'm glad that kubuntu nowadays most of the time "just works" |
| 11:50.52 | ZogG_laptop | but we have centos os we are working mostly |
| 11:51.03 | Sput | and I bought myself a private laptop to have Gentoo for everything !work |
| 11:51.06 | RST38h | throws up at the mention of centos |
| 11:51.21 | ZogG_laptop | so as mostly i'm using ssh so i don't care what i have on my computer |
| 11:51.42 | RST38h | ZogG: Yeah, that is why you can still afford using Gentoo or Centos |
| 11:51.52 | RST38h | As long as ssh works both ways... |
| 11:52.05 | ZogG_laptop | i need one way =) |
| 11:52.15 | ZogG_laptop | but i would prefer debian i think over centos |
| 11:52.24 | ZogG_laptop | centos is overrated for companies |
| 11:53.01 | djszapi | I use Mer at the company on my laptop :D :D |
| 11:53.02 | Sput | ZogG_laptop: it's mostly about the packaging for the internal tools. it's all optimized for kubuntu, and I don't feel like writing my own Gentoo packaging for that stuff |
| 11:53.04 | ZogG_laptop | i have a lot of pain in the ass, as we had problem with new hardware serves on centos5 i set centos6 as well as auto installation |
| 11:53.43 | ZogG_laptop | but this intallation uses old scripts that are glued with patches one to another and written by al ot of different people for years, so its a mess |
| 11:53.44 | Sput | actually, could be fun to just try and see what happens if I use apt on this Gentoo box |
| 11:55.49 | nix-cyrus | djszapi: what is Mer? meego fork? |
| 11:56.56 | djszapi | http://www.merproject.org/ |
| 11:59.13 | ZogG_laptop | nix-cyrus: mer was before maemo5 i think, it was community alt, than maemo5 come out people stoped work on it afaik and than switched to meego, after meego was abonded they switched back to mer while using meego as core afaik |
| 12:04.53 | ZogG_laptop | lol microsoft is developing it's own distro |
| 12:05.04 | ZogG_laptop | i mean linux one |
| 12:08.07 | djszapi | Sput: interesting that, qt5 allows source imcompatible changes in certain cases. |
| 12:08.49 | Sput | djszapi: only until the official release of 5.0 of course |
| 12:08.56 | Sput | but yes, the impending freeze is not completely hard |
| 12:09.38 | djszapi | Sput: I could even break the interface of the arguments() method of QCoreApplicaiton. |
| 12:09.48 | djszapi | QCoreApplication. I was wondering, but ok :) |
| 12:10.03 | Sput | yes, it's possible if it's reviewed and the maintainer agrees |
| 12:10.16 | Sput | (or possibly Lars himself now, not sure what the current policy is) |
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| 12:19.39 | ZogG_laptop | hmm, anyone can give me advise here with listview(or maybe i need to use gridview or something else). i have data i get from site, but the problem is that data may be different it has different types and all type would be displayed differently, or should i use all objects and use visible/ not visible? |
| 12:21.04 | SqRt7744 | I am having a wierd problem... I have a model which works fine, in fact, if I use the model in a stardart Qt listview - no problems. When I try to add it to a QML listview, nothing shows up and all the memory of the the computer (4GB + Swap) is quickly gobbled up. I have no idea what the problem could be. Would someone be so kind an glance at the constructor in mainwindow.cpp and tell me if anything seems obviously wrong? htt |
| 12:21.04 | SqRt7744 | ps://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/tree/master/src |
| 12:21.37 | SqRt7744 | https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/tree/master/src |
| 12:22.00 | SqRt7744 | seems I'm not the only one with listview problems :-) |
| 12:24.08 | ZogG_laptop | what is the file? |
| 12:24.58 | SqRt7744 | mainwindow.cpp |
| 12:24.59 | ZogG_laptop | SqRt7744: can't see your ql files |
| 12:25.03 | ZogG_laptop | cpp? |
| 12:25.06 | SqRt7744 | i put the code in the constructor for testing purposes |
| 12:25.09 | SqRt7744 | yeah |
| 12:25.17 | SqRt7744 | line 69 |
| 12:25.23 | SqRt7744 | 68 |
| 12:25.50 | ZogG_laptop | maemo? |
| 12:25.58 | SqRt7744 | the model, titleListModel, shows up fine in the qt ui. |
| 12:26.03 | SqRt7744 | no, i'm porting it to harmattan |
| 12:26.21 | SqRt7744 | but the QML code doesn't want to work... this is the problem. |
| 12:26.30 | ZogG_laptop | SqRt7744: may i just show you my ugly example? |
| 12:26.41 | SqRt7744 | i modified the model to have roles and all that stuff |
| 12:27.08 | ZogG_laptop | so you build model in qt and than delivery it to qml? |
| 12:27.21 | SqRt7744 | inherits qobject... all the pieces are there, but line 68 is the one that causes all the memory usage |
| 12:27.25 | SqRt7744 | yeah |
| 12:27.39 | ZogG_laptop | SqRt7744: i build the list inside qml |
| 12:28.11 | SqRt7744 | yeah, I can't do that. It is too complex, has to decode a file and all kinds of stuff |
| 12:28.13 | djszapi | SqRt7744: lol, you do not have main.cpp |
| 12:28.22 | djszapi | that is sort of weird ;-) |
| 12:28.49 | SqRt7744 | no really, evopediaapplication.cpp is "main.cpp" |
| 12:29.10 | djszapi | yes, that is really odd. |
| 12:29.14 | SqRt7744 | ...but I'm only hacking at this code, I didn't create it. |
| 12:29.25 | ZogG_laptop | SqRt7744: you can pass the data as xml or json and parse it in qml to build |
| 12:29.42 | djszapi | SqRt7744: did you set the context property ? |
| 12:30.35 | SqRt7744 | djszapi, line 68 in mainwindow.cpp ?? |
| 12:30.43 | djszapi | honestly, I do not see any qml files. |
| 12:30.55 | ZogG_laptop | SqRt7744: http://cdumez.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-use-c-list-model-in-qml.html ? |
| 12:31.14 | djszapi | why would you have QMainWindow in a qml app ? |
| 12:31.52 | SqRt7744 | djszapi, oh sorry, the qml files are here: https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/tree/master/resources/harmattan |
| 12:32.26 | djszapi | SqRt7744: show me the ListView |
| 12:32.41 | SqRt7744 | djszapi, I'm going to get rid of all the mainwindow stuff, it is part of the original code. But first I have to get the qml listview to work, and then port the rest of the mainwindow stuff to qml |
| 12:33.07 | djszapi | why would you deal with QMainWindow at all ? |
| 12:33.07 | SqRt7744 | djszapi, it's https://github.com/Iktwo/evopedia/blob/master/resources/harmattan/qml/SearchPage.qml |
| 12:33.13 | djszapi | instead of own main.cpp and all that jazz ? |
| 12:33.33 | SqRt7744 | yeah I'll change all that, but that isn't the problem right now |
| 12:33.57 | SqRt7744 | the problem is that the ListView is freaking out over the model and gobbling up all the memory |
| 12:33.58 | djszapi | well, it is a complex environment that you do not need. |
| 12:34.04 | SqRt7744 | true |
| 12:34.13 | djszapi | would way easier to debug it in the nice way. |
| 12:34.43 | djszapi | but try to use console.log("TEST:", titlesView.model.data()) |
| 12:35.18 | djszapi | make sure the context property set is called, qDebug() << "AFTER THE CONTEXT PROPERTY SET"; |
| 12:36.12 | SqRt7744 | well, that is part of the problem. The code never makes it past that line 68 in mainwindow, where the context property is set. |
| 12:36.15 | djszapi | and then take a look at your delegate |
| 12:36.32 | djszapi | that is definitely the issue |
| 12:36.43 | SqRt7744 | the delegate is the issue? |
| 12:36.59 | djszapi | no, if you do not set the context property, you cannot access to that in qml. |
| 12:37.29 | djszapi | view.setSource(QUrl("qrc:/meego/harmattan/qml/mainwindow.qml")); -> this is ugly as well, you know ? :p |
| 12:37.51 | SqRt7744 | but it gets stuck at that point. Why is that bad? |
| 12:38.03 | djszapi | -> // QDeclarativeContext *rootCtxt = viewer->rootContext(); |
| 12:38.11 | djszapi | why is it commented ? |
| 12:38.17 | djszapi | and again, clean up this mess please. |
| 12:38.26 | djszapi | you do not need QDC inside a QMW |
| 12:38.32 | djszapi | try to start it from clean table, really. |
| 12:38.35 | SqRt7744 | it's the product of many attempts to get it to work in various ways |
| 12:38.40 | djszapi | you will spare a lot of pain for yourself. |
| 12:39.43 | djszapi | SqRt7744: example for a main.cpp: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/kanagram/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/harmattan/main.cpp |
| 12:40.12 | djszapi | you need a view, ask for the root context, and then set the property of that. |
| 12:40.26 | djszapi | then set the source, then showFullScreen. |
| 12:40.41 | SqRt7744 | alright I'll try it again :-) |
| 12:41.06 | SqRt7744 | i initially thought it was a problem with the TitlesModel, but since it works in the qtlistview, it can't be that... |
| 12:41.16 | SqRt7744 | thanks for your help |
| 12:41.18 | djszapi | well, you did not even set the property. |
| 12:41.41 | djszapi | you can try to make that work in the QMainWindow, and probably will work, but you need to rector this mess either way ;-) |
| 12:41.49 | djszapi | refactor* |
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| 13:25.48 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. Let me know if you are in front of the computer. Got a few quick questions that maybe you got an answer to :) |
| 13:27.03 | damaltor | dragly: are you there? |
| 13:27.25 | damaltor | sorry, i meant DrGrov who obviously is there |
| 13:27.47 | damaltor | DrGrov: did you find your image ? the triple h skull? |
| 13:27.56 | damaltor | otherwise i might have something for you |
| 13:28.13 | DrGrov | damaltor: Hi there. I did not actually find any good Triple H skull as a transparent image. |
| 13:28.18 | damaltor | http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh114/andre7total90/triple-h-grey-skulls-wallpaper-1280.jpg |
| 13:28.39 | damaltor | no need for transparency, as there ist nothing "bleow" the image |
| 13:29.01 | damaltor | yiu could cut out one skull, resitze it to display size afterwards |
| 13:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: shoot |
| 13:29.17 | DrGrov | damaltor: Ah yes, that one I got already thanks :) I was thinking about his other skull logo which is a transparent image that I would copy over to a black image |
| 13:29.21 | DrGrov | Or a white image |
| 13:29.26 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: PM coming through |
| 13:29.30 | damaltor | the skull from front? |
| 13:30.53 | DrGrov | damaltor: Yes, it is like one skull which is displayed from the front. |
| 13:31.17 | DrGrov | damaltor: I have problems to explain it properly. But yes, basically one skull displayed from the front and that is the only visible thing. |
| 13:32.17 | DrGrov | The problem is that I could not find any suitable such Triple H skull yesterday when I was searching. I got a wallpaper already which has that skull but the image has white background but I would like a transparent similar skull to be copied over to a black background instead. Also because I could move the skull to an appropriate place on the wallpaper. |
| 13:34.55 | damaltor | DrGrov: http://www.foroswebgratis.com/imagenes_foros/5/9/9/4/5/851886The-King-of-Kings-wwe-536743_1024_768.jpg |
| 13:36.19 | damaltor | DrGrov: is that the right one? |
| 13:37.50 | DrGrov | damaltor: That is the right one yes. The problem is the text there, I hate text on my wallpaper :P |
| 13:38.07 | damaltor | just a second, ill remove the text |
| 13:39.16 | damaltor | what was that display size again? |
| 13:39.31 | damaltor | so i can cut it |
| 13:39.33 | DrGrov | Was it 480 x 854 if I remember correctly? Not sure :D |
| 13:39.40 | DrGrov | Too difficult questions for me :D |
| 13:39.44 | damaltor | haha |
| 13:42.03 | damaltor | ok, image is cropped and the text is gone |
| 13:42.10 | damaltor | any special wishes? |
| 13:42.24 | damaltor | DrGrov? |
| 13:49.37 | DrGrov | I had to take a poo |
| 13:49.39 | DrGrov | Now I am back |
| 13:50.07 | DrGrov | No, no special wishes than except to make it on a black wallpaper and then on a white wallpaper |
| 13:51.17 | damaltor | ok then, just a sec |
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| 13:52.45 | DrGrov | No need if you got other things to do :) |
| 13:53.59 | damaltor | DrGrov: http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/6918/drgrovskullblack.png |
| 13:54.19 | DrGrov | Thanks damaltor :) |
| 13:54.59 | DrGrov | There is one thing though why I was desperately searching for that skull as a transparent image. But not to say that you have not done a fantastic job which you have done :) |
| 13:55.11 | damaltor | DrGrov: and theis is the inverted one. i dont like it that much, b/c the skull is too light. also, i hate brigt backgrounds. :D but it is your choice: http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7963/drgrovskullwhite.png |
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| 13:55.59 | DrGrov | damaltor: Thanks for the nice work :) |
| 13:56.16 | damaltor | no problem |
| 13:56.27 | DrGrov | The reason I wanted to find the transparent skull is to resize it down and put it like a small logo/symbol in the bottom down middle and otherwise completely black |
| 13:56.36 | damaltor | DrGrov: please save the images somewhere, as they will be gone in about an hour. i dont have copies of them |
| 13:56.42 | DrGrov | But I will try to find it later on or take some other logo/symbol |
| 13:56.49 | DrGrov | Ok, will do :) |
| 13:56.53 | DrGrov | Thanks for the heads up |
| 13:57.00 | damaltor | np |
| 13:57.17 | damaltor | wait, what do you mean? small skull in the middle of the bottom? |
| 13:57.23 | damaltor | so that it sits between the icons? |
| 13:57.25 | faenil | guys |
| 13:57.33 | faenil | I updated the n950 to pr1.2 yesterday |
| 13:57.46 | faenil | and during the day it stopped syncing the email (gmail) |
| 13:57.51 | faenil | now it just returns error |
| 13:57.54 | faenil | is that a known issue? |
| 13:58.20 | damaltor | did you try to reboot? |
| 13:58.33 | DrGrov | damaltor: The problem is that I can not explain it actually, I will show you once I get something similar :) Ok? |
| 13:58.38 | faenil | yes |
| 13:58.53 | djszapi | faenil: it is a known issue only in Italy :D |
| 13:59.02 | faenil | lol? :D |
| 13:59.27 | faenil | in the changelogs there were fixes about "gmail syncing" |
| 13:59.31 | damaltor | DrGrov: ok, do that. just ping me or something, i dont have that much to do today |
| 13:59.32 | faenil | well, good job! ...-.- |
| 13:59.46 | djszapi | damaltor: are you an artist of any kind ? |
| 13:59.54 | DrGrov | damaltor: Ok, I will do so. If not today some other beautiful day :) |
| 14:00.17 | DrGrov | damaltor: I am not sure I will find a suitable customizable logo/symbol today since I am bit slow :D |
| 14:00.29 | damaltor | djszapi: i am an electronics engineer. i personally dont consider this as art |
| 14:01.02 | damaltor | DrGrov: use paint, make a black rectangle. put some colored rectangle into the place you would like to have the skull in |
| 14:01.12 | damaltor | djszapi: but thanks though :D |
| 14:01.35 | djszapi | heh ;) |
| 14:01.46 | DrGrov | damaltor: I can fix that I am sure, but I need that damn transparent image first. I copy it over as a layer only and freely move it until I am happy. |
| 14:01.57 | DrGrov | damaltor: Great work on those two images :) |
| 14:02.13 | damaltor | if you want the background to be black in the end, i can give you the skull in transparent |
| 14:03.37 | damaltor | DrGrov: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/138/drgrovskulltransp.png |
| 14:03.57 | damaltor | you can put it on a black background now, as that ist what i stole it from :D |
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| 14:04.44 | DrGrov | damaltor: Thanks, that is what I wanted :) |
| 14:04.50 | damaltor | ok, have fun with it |
| 14:05.05 | DrGrov | damaltor: I will resize the skull down to appropriate size and then make a new layer on the black background and get it there . Thanks |
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| 14:06.17 | damaltor | no problem |
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| 14:17.24 | admiral0 | hello |
| 14:17.46 | admiral0 | i have to create an image for the low power screen |
| 14:17.58 | admiral0 | what are the colors that work? |
| 14:25.14 | DrGrov | Is it easy to install that custom low power screen additional information app that can be found here, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81923 |
| 14:25.17 | DrGrov | Called ISPMagic |
| 14:25.23 | DrGrov | Sorry, Ipsmagic |
| 14:27.12 | admiral0 | DrGrov: i'm the dev of that application |
| 14:27.13 | admiral0 | ask |
| 14:27.26 | admiral0 | install deb, reboot |
| 14:27.33 | admiral0 | easier than that :) |
| 14:28.45 | DrGrov | admiral0: Ah, you are the developer? Nice to meet you :) |
| 14:29.05 | DrGrov | admiral0: So of course terminal open, install the .deb and reboot? Nothing funny stuff? :) |
| 14:29.19 | admiral0 | yep |
| 14:29.41 | admiral0 | the deb has postinstall scripts that do everything automagically |
| 14:30.02 | admiral0 | and all is restored when you uninstall the deb |
| 14:30.11 | DrGrov | That 96% on the image you posted on TMO, is that the battery state without charging? Just having it turned on? |
| 14:30.12 | admiral0 | DrGrov: nice to meet you too :) |
| 14:30.23 | DrGrov | hugs admiral0 :) |
| 14:30.36 | admiral0 | awww |
| 14:30.45 | faenil | didn't know about that app, nice :D |
| 14:30.51 | admiral0 | but i'm already emotionally occupied :P |
| 14:30.55 | faenil | admiral0: why didn't u come to qtday? |
| 14:31.03 | admiral0 | faenil: exams |
| 14:31.13 | admiral0 | faenil: my girlfriend |
| 14:31.17 | admiral0 | faenil: other exams |
| 14:31.19 | DrGrov | admiral0: I am also emotionally occupied but a bit of a gayish hug here and there to lighten up the mood can never hurt now can it? :) |
| 14:31.20 | admiral0 | :\ |
| 14:31.32 | admiral0 | lawl |
| 14:31.45 | faenil | I see...I finished exams two days ago :D feeling awesome :D |
| 14:31.56 | faenil | DrGrov: :D |
| 14:32.12 | admiral0 | i finish 24th feb |
| 14:32.36 | DrGrov | is eviil |
| 14:32.39 | DrGrov | I will take over the world |
| 14:34.06 | DrGrov | I will hug the whole world until I have control |
| 14:34.17 | faenil | admiral0: my thesis is on 24th February! :D |
| 14:34.21 | admiral0 | good |
| 14:34.41 | DrGrov | admiral0: So, the screenshot you got here, http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/2417/screen1yf.png , is showing the 96% as battery left without charging? |
| 14:34.42 | faenil | 2 more years afterwards :( |
| 14:34.52 | admiral0 | faenil: what do you think |
| 14:35.04 | faenil | admiral0: about what |
| 14:35.05 | admiral0 | better paint or QPixmap or QImage? |
| 14:35.21 | faenil | can't tell, to do what? |
| 14:35.52 | admiral0 | generate an image |
| 14:35.56 | admiral0 | use QPainter on it |
| 14:36.06 | DrGrov | admiral0: Or that is the battery when charging? Or is that even the battery status icon showing as 96% ? |
| 14:36.08 | faenil | don't know have never tried it yet |
| 14:36.18 | faenil | (I know, it's strange :D) |
| 14:36.50 | admiral0 | DrGrov: it is charging |
| 14:37.04 | admiral0 | DrGrov: usb icon -> charging |
| 14:37.17 | admiral0 | DrGrov: plug -> wall charger |
| 14:37.34 | admiral0 | DrGrov: battery 4 state icon -> discharging |
| 14:37.40 | DrGrov | admiral0: Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me :) Nice that you implemented separate icons for all that :) |
| 14:38.00 | admiral0 | it was almost natural |
| 14:38.02 | faenil | DrGrov: he actually did not, bhuahuhaa |
| 14:38.17 | DrGrov | faenil: You are the brains between those icons? :) |
| 14:38.23 | admiral0 | damaltor chose the icons |
| 14:38.28 | faenil | DrGrov: nah just joking ;) |
| 14:38.30 | DrGrov | damaltor: Great job in choosing the icons :) |
| 14:38.51 | DrGrov | admiral0: I am just a bit nervous to install it since I always manage to screw something up eventually :D |
| 14:39.00 | admiral0 | don't worry |
| 14:39.10 | admiral0 | install it from file manager |
| 14:39.29 | admiral0 | it needs 2 deps that are not installed by default |
| 14:39.49 | faenil | admiral0: how do you paint on top of the screensaver? |
| 14:39.52 | admiral0 | if you install via dpkg it will initially fail |
| 14:40.12 | admiral0 | faenil: i'm using the operator logo |
| 14:40.56 | faenil | admiral0: operator logo is an image.. |
| 14:41.00 | DrGrov | admiral0: From where do I get a good file manager and what is the name of such app? |
| 14:41.04 | admiral0 | DrGrov: i'm now working on next version |
| 14:41.16 | DrGrov | admiral0: What cool things will you implement in the next version? :) |
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| 14:41.24 | admiral0 | javispedro: hi dude |
| 14:41.34 | faenil | javispedro: hiiiiiiiii |
| 14:41.40 | admiral0 | faenil: yes, i am writing on a image |
| 14:41.44 | javispedro | heloooo :) |
| 14:41.48 | faenil | long time no chat man! is everything alright? |
| 14:42.04 | admiral0 | javispedro: just to be annoying and stuff: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81923 |
| 14:42.06 | javispedro | more or less =) |
| 14:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: HI! |
| 14:42.54 | javispedro | btw, I'm going to the states on feb 26 (first time :)) |
| 14:42.55 | admiral0 | DrGrov: then just use shell |
| 14:43.16 | admiral0 | DrGrov: dpkg -i lsmagic.deb # this will fail |
| 14:43.17 | javispedro | Hi DocScrutinizer! |
| 14:43.46 | admiral0 | DrGrov: apt-get -f install # this will resolve deps and fix everything |
| 14:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: noticed ~update ? |
| 14:44.36 | tomma | there is also $ pkgmgr install-file -f <filename> |
| 14:44.41 | DrGrov | admiral0: So I do "apt-get -f install lsmagic.deb" and it is done? |
| 14:44.52 | admiral0 | use what tomma said |
| 14:45.24 | DrGrov | So I use "pkgmgr install-file -f lsmagic.deb" and it just works? |
| 14:45.25 | admiral0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.30 | admiral0 | yes |
| 14:45.36 | DrGrov | Ok, I will do that. Thanks for helping out :) |
| 14:45.40 | admiral0 | just use the correct filename |
| 14:46.15 | DrGrov | Will do :) |
| 14:46.35 | admiral0 | and reboot afterwards |
| 14:46.39 | admiral0 | :) |
| 14:46.56 | admiral0 | tomma: thank you, new find for me |
| 14:47.43 | admiral0 | javispedro: haveyou seen? |
| 14:48.08 | javispedro | seen what? |
| 14:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | I guess he meant pr1.2beta |
| 14:51.27 | admiral0 | javispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81923 |
| 14:51.35 | admiral0 | nope DocScrutinizer :P |
| 14:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, cool stuff |
| 14:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | again a dirty nasty hack around harmattan&aegis I guess, so again a reason to hate N9. But a cool project nevertheless |
| 14:55.08 | javispedro | why you need to hack aegis? |
| 14:55.23 | javispedro | that just uses the operator logo bitmap I guess |
| 14:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | vomits on N9 for trying to enforce some insane Nokia policy about what users may and may not do on their own devices |
| 14:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: *ack*, you'd not need to hack aegis for that - you just hack your way around agis forbidding to implemet that stuff in a sane clean way |
| 14:56.45 | admiral0 | feels DocScrutinizer's pain about aegis |
| 14:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | prepare for any (unlikely) PR1.3 probably putting those operator bitmaps under aegis control so you mustn't tamper with them |
| 14:58.56 | admiral0 | doesn't care |
| 14:59.07 | admiral0 | will goin open mode with PR1.2 |
| 14:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | neither, as for him N9 is already walking dead |
| 14:59.25 | admiral0 | come on Doc... |
| 14:59.40 | admiral0 | people say it outsells lumias |
| 14:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | I don't give a shit |
| 14:59.58 | admiral0 | either it's nokia walking dead |
| 15:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | iPhone outsells both Lumia nad N9 together |
| 15:00.09 | admiral0 | either n9 is alive and kicking |
| 15:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | kicks Nokia |
| 15:00.31 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer: now who gives a shit about that phone in oss world? |
| 15:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, when you can buy ringtones at OVI store for only .99 |
| 15:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
| 15:01.25 | admiral0 | lol whi cares about ovi |
| 15:01.51 | admiral0 | i care about the device |
| 15:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | mass tupidity never been an argument to guide my own preferences - at least not accordingly and in line with mass stupidity |
| 15:02.08 | admiral0 | when(if) PR1.3 will be out |
| 15:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | plus I *never* liked N9 hw product properties |
| 15:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | so I couldn't care less |
| 15:03.04 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer: whydon't you like the n9? |
| 15:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | no hw kbd, no external storage, capacitive touchscreen |
| 15:03.35 | admiral0 | (the specs) |
| 15:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | an OS that'S not a bit compatible to N900 |
| 15:04.35 | admiral0 | no hw kbd=n950 wasn't out -> nokia's fault |
| 15:04.57 | admiral0 | no external storage? internal 64G is good enogh |
| 15:05.33 | admiral0 | i like more the capacitive(although two finger swipe is missing) |
| 15:05.50 | admiral0 | i think OS could become better than maemo |
| 15:05.55 | admiral0 | no offense |
| 15:06.03 | admiral0 | imo qt > gtk |
| 15:06.59 | admiral0 | i asked nokia people to release code for harmattan |
| 15:07.10 | admiral0 | :\ not possible |
| 15:11.35 | itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: yeah...you can't just ask for such things |
| 15:11.45 | itsnotabigtruck | you have no idea how many lawyers and bureaucracy these companies have |
| 15:11.46 | admiral0 | XD |
| 15:11.52 | admiral0 | i know |
| 15:11.54 | itsnotabigtruck | everything nokia releases as open source has to be cleared through some procedure |
| 15:11.58 | admiral0 | unfortunately |
| 15:12.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and audited to make sure it doesn't contain anything unwanted |
| 15:12.46 | itsnotabigtruck | and their legal team probably cooks up all sorts of scenarios where the world could end if one line of source code is released :p |
| 15:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 15:13.27 | admiral0 | that happens inside amd too |
| 15:13.40 | admiral0 | see evergreen hdmi audio |
| 15:13.43 | itsnotabigtruck | but if they were serious about doing the right thing (lol) they'd release a maximum of source code |
| 15:13.54 | admiral0 | was reverse engineered |
| 15:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | and the pretty smart engineers at Nokia have to do what product damagers tell them to do, after those got weird ideas from GUI designers |
| 15:14.42 | itsnotabigtruck | gfx card companies are squeamish about code for a different reason |
| 15:15.04 | itsnotabigtruck | a) it contains lots of details about the chips that they think the other player could exploit |
| 15:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | see e.g what happened with cherry on fremantle |
| 15:15.24 | itsnotabigtruck | b) their drivers contain lots of drm related stuff that they're likely bound by contract to keep secret |
| 15:15.24 | admiral0 | cherry? |
| 15:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | got force-feeded to fremantle team by some other department |
| 15:15.38 | admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: yeah the UVD stuff |
| 15:15.54 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer: what's cherry |
| 15:16.04 | admiral0 | i had an n900 but have no idea |
| 15:16.10 | itsnotabigtruck | in the case of the N9, the drm stuff is fairly discrete, it doesn't have to interfere with open sourcing most of the platform |
| 15:16.19 | DocScrutinizer | "compulsory MyNokia registration during update" |
| 15:16.24 | admiral0 | ah |
| 15:16.37 | admiral0 | i hated tha |
| 15:16.38 | admiral0 | t |
| 15:16.43 | itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to the graphics card thing where maybe they fear that you could poke at the right register and lift screencaps of protected videos or something |
| 15:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | the same thing Nokia is paying 58K$ fine now in Oz |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | or NewZea? |
| 15:17.05 | admiral0 | but i had a plan where every received sms recharges me |
| 15:17.12 | admiral0 | so oh well, go nokia |
| 15:17.29 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 15:17.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think they ever even launched mynokia in the us |
| 15:17.52 | itsnotabigtruck | the app for that on the e71 just says "mynokia isn't in your country" or some such |
| 15:17.59 | admiral0 | lawl |
| 15:18.09 | admiral0 | anyway i hope they don't lock operator logo |
| 15:18.25 | itsnotabigtruck | also $58k? that's a pretty wimpy fine |
| 15:18.52 | itsnotabigtruck | that's not even a year's salary for a mid level employee |
| 15:18.57 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer, itsnotabigtruck https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584 |
| 15:19.02 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 584 enh, High, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome |
| 15:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | HAH, extremely rare they get reasonable change requests there |
| 15:19.52 | itsnotabigtruck | well, to be fair that sort of arrangement was pretty unlikely in any circumstance |
| 15:20.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, people being whiny about enhancement requests doesn't help actually getting any enhancements in |
| 15:20.40 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. that skype video bug is just embarassing |
| 15:20.55 | admiral0 | i talked with alvaro, he just suggested workarounds |
| 15:21.44 | admiral0 | my answer was a kilometric rant. (i doubt he even read it) |
| 15:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | admiral0: search for a ticket about allowing user extensions on indicator LED, aka dbus-send dest:mce |
| 15:22.20 | admiral0 | :\ |
| 15:22.30 | DrGrov | That bug #584 seems to be reopened |
| 15:22.34 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=584 enh, High, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Add API to add custom pages to meegotouchhome |
| 15:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | if there's any, it's probably WONTFIX or even INVALID |
| 15:22.43 | admiral0 | i even proposed to do work under NDA under any license |
| 15:22.46 | admiral0 | FOR FREE |
| 15:22.53 | admiral0 | dammit |
| 15:23.07 | admiral0 | DrGrov: guess who repoened it |
| 15:23.12 | DrGrov | admiral0: You? |
| 15:23.19 | admiral0 | yep |
| 15:23.25 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: Comment 2 Lavanya 2012-01-10 10:42:53 EET < Lavanya WONTFIXed it without actually understanding the request |
| 15:23.33 | DrGrov | admiral0: That is just plain stupid not to implement the possibility to add custom pages |
| 15:23.59 | admiral0 | i agree |
| 15:24.09 | DrGrov | That should be a mandatory thing from the beginning already |
| 15:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's such a truckload of plain stupid regressions from fremantle to HARM, not any rationale for it |
| 15:24.29 | DrGrov | How is it with Skype? Does it clutter up the whole damn contacts section? |
| 15:24.36 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, hold on |
| 15:24.40 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't meegotouchhome open source |
| 15:24.56 | admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: flash nows: NOPE |
| 15:25.05 | itsnotabigtruck | i have the source package right here in the big dvd data dump from nokia |
| 15:25.18 | itsnotabigtruck | for 'meegotouchhome' |
| 15:25.21 | admiral0 | meegotouchhome-nokia is closed |
| 15:25.54 | DrGrov | I hope at least that Skype will be fixed so that there is a possibility to get away the syncing with the own contacts. I hate this, that is why I have not used Skype at all because it creates a fucking mess without no ending |
| 15:26.06 | admiral0 | it uses parts from nemo's meegotouchhome as external lib |
| 15:26.40 | itsnotabigtruck | damn. > Binary: meegotouchhome, meegotouchhome-l10n-engineering-english, meegotouchhome-dbg, libmeegotouchhome0, libmeegotouchhome0-dbg, libmeegotouchhome-dev, libmeegotouchhome-doc, meegotouchhome-tests |
| 15:26.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, meegotouchhome-nokia isn't there |
| 15:27.09 | DrGrov | Oh sorry, I disturbed in the middle of itsnotabigtruck and admiral0 discussion. |
| 15:27.18 | DrGrov | Just continue, I will interestingly listen :) |
| 15:27.21 | itsnotabigtruck | >_> |
| 15:27.29 | admiral0 | all the UX is closed crap |
| 15:27.40 | itsnotabigtruck | and DrGrov: unless pr1.2beta has it fixed don't get your hopes up |
| 15:27.55 | itsnotabigtruck | i think there was an enhancement request to remember filters by types in contacts |
| 15:28.17 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't understand why every single contacts program that tries to combine from different sources makes this same mistake |
| 15:28.38 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: No worries, I can live without Skype on my phone and as a matter of fact anywhere else as well :) |
| 15:28.48 | itsnotabigtruck | if i'm making a phone call, no, i don't want to lump every single facebook/twitter/email/skype/xmpp user into a list |
| 15:29.34 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I just thought about it.. If my drop down menu status is Offline that means I avoid these additional account bs? |
| 15:29.55 | itsnotabigtruck | it would make a lot more sense to be able to add im/social network ids to normal contact entries |
| 15:30.06 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Yes, it becomes too cluttered. No way to distinguish any contacts at all then :/ |
| 15:30.18 | DrGrov | Yeah, that I would think is better. |
| 15:30.22 | itsnotabigtruck | so that i could enter e.g. Joe Skyper, with skype as #1 and phone as #2 |
| 15:30.35 | itsnotabigtruck | and if i dial joe skyper it attempts skype if possible, then tries phone otherwise |
| 15:30.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not a very complicated concept but nothing does that, afaik |
| 15:31.05 | DrGrov | Yeah, that would make perfect sense. One person with multiple entries and a prioritized arrangement what happens first etc. |
| 15:32.21 | DrGrov | How is it with all these nice tweaks & customizations with PR 1.1 such as IPSMagic, ProfileMatic... Will they work on PR 1.2 or will Aegis somehow intervene and disable the features? |
| 15:32.26 | DrGrov | Or how do you guys develop these apps? |
| 15:32.51 | admiral0 | as soon as i have time (lol, easy to say that) i want to try to replace wm and desktop from harmattan with nemo |
| 15:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, exactly ;-P |
| 15:33.04 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, going by the above lps-magic works by fooling around with the operator logo |
| 15:33.11 | itsnotabigtruck | so assuming nokia leaves that alone it's not a probem |
| 15:33.14 | admiral0 | gconf magic |
| 15:34.10 | DrGrov | Ok, good to hear :) I have not yet tested any but I will downloads the .deb files and test :) |
| 15:34.52 | admiral0 | i still don't have released source for lpsmagic |
| 15:35.06 | admiral0 | but as it's a python script you can look in the deb |
| 15:35.16 | DrGrov | But one thing even if there is problems is the wonderful community and help we N9 users get from you more experienced users |
| 15:35.32 | admiral0 | DocScrutinizer: are you a qt pro? |
| 15:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 15:38.34 | admiral0 | :\ |
| 15:44.58 | damaltor | DrGrov: if you want skype people filtered, vote here: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=668 |
| 15:45.02 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 668 enh, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Add a PERSISTING filter for the contacts app, to let the user select if he wants to see skype/icq/.. |
| 15:45.35 | DrGrov | Thanks damaltor |
| 15:45.53 | damaltor | i hate that too |
| 15:45.54 | DrGrov | I was hoping that Skype people would not even be included in Contacts app at all. |
| 15:46.04 | DrGrov | Just in the app itself |
| 15:46.11 | phako | DrGrov: there is no skype app |
| 15:46.37 | DrGrov | Yes, I know but I was hoping there would be a separate Skype app and just get rid of this contact syncing thing |
| 15:46.53 | DrGrov | That is the only reason I have not enabled it because it annoys the living hell out of me |
| 15:46.58 | damaltor | well, i dont have a big problem with that, as some of my skype contacts are people i have phone numbers from, so i can merge them. but i dont want them all to show up in there if i dont want it |
| 15:47.27 | damaltor | if i cklick the skype app (which is essentially only a filter over the contacts app), thats enough. same should happen for icq and msn and stuff |
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| 15:56.51 | ZogG_laptop | while if i use textpost instead of loader it's fine |
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| 16:46.16 | admiral0 | re |
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| 16:57.19 | djszapi | Sput kdelibs 4.8 is already in arch stable ;-) |
| 16:58.45 | Sput | djszapi: another 0day release for us as well, although of course we use testing for something like this, not stable |
| 16:59.26 | djszapi | yes, it was in testing for few days |
| 16:59.52 | Sput | in Gentoo we also provide packaging for git versions of KDE/Qt, so the packages have already received testing and are basically finished by the time the official tarballs are released upstream |
| 16:59.59 | djszapi | although, I would not like to mess up with testing repositories, so that is not possible for me as an installation source for packages. |
| 17:00.01 | Sput | then we immediately bump into testing |
| 17:00.21 | Sput | stable has much stricter rules than on other distros, so it will take a few months until 4.8 shows up in there |
| 17:00.31 | Sput | but desktop users are not the target group for stable anyway |
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| 17:02.36 | djszapi | Sput: linux-3.2.2 :) |
| 17:03.07 | djszapi | gcc 4.6.2 |
| 17:03.20 | Sput | same here. |
| 17:03.32 | Sput | you can't impress me with such numbers :P |
| 17:04.10 | djszapi | from stable ? |
| 17:04.23 | Sput | no, since these things are not stable yet |
| 17:04.26 | Sput | bleeding edge != stable |
| 17:04.40 | Sput | gcc 4.6.2 still has issues with several packages, for example, such as grub |
| 17:05.01 | Sput | so we're not letting it loose on users that rely on the system being rockstable |
| 17:05.01 | itsnotabigtruck | the contact merging thing isn't a bad idea, in theory |
| 17:05.32 | Sput | also, we have this 30 day policy for stable (package must have been in testing for at least 30 days without open bugs) |
| 17:05.36 | itsnotabigtruck | whoops, scrolled up |
| 17:05.46 | djszapi | Sput: that is the main difference. I do not need to mess up with a full testing repository. |
| 17:06.00 | djszapi | grub works fine here with this gcc apparently. |
| 17:06.14 | Sput | djszapi: yeah, my grub works fine as well |
| 17:06.20 | Sput | but apparently there are some corner cases |
| 17:06.20 | itsnotabigtruck | do you mean *mess with |
| 17:06.32 | Sput | also, "Gentoo testing" is probably at least as stable as Arch stable |
| 17:06.41 | Sput | it's not like bleeding, for that we have overlays |
| 17:07.04 | nix-cyrus | djszapi: because we don't need build grub from source I think) |
| 17:07.25 | Sput | if you want to run current software on the desktop, testing is more appropriate for you than stable, and yet it won't usually break |
| 17:07.25 | djszapi | nix-cyrus: packagers need. |
| 17:07.57 | Sput | maybe the grub issue was fixed in 4.6.2 even, I haven't had a look at the list of current blocker for gcc stabilization |
| 17:08.02 | djszapi | oh sure arch could have an "old-times" repository ;-) |
| 17:08.03 | Sput | I'm running testing anyway, so I don't care much about stable |
| 17:08.32 | Sput | I personally think the branches in Gentoo are misnamed, "testing" should be "stable" and "stable" should be "debian" |
| 17:08.41 | djszapi | we have archserver for superstable purposes though. |
| 17:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't have stable without stale |
| 17:09.12 | Sput | but I can see the use case for stable, if you run a source distro on say a server you want to reduce rebuilds and not bump to every version |
| 17:09.27 | Sput | and on the desktop, just run testing, it is stable and uptodate |
| 17:09.27 | djszapi | go for archserver. |
| 17:11.19 | Sput | that said, I am really not criticizing Arch, if I ever have to run a binary distro again, I will probably try it out again... but for my own purposes, I prefer the flexibility of a source distro |
| 17:11.25 | Sput | and for work I'm pretty much forced to use kubuntu |
| 17:12.29 | Sput | btw, gcc 4.6 with -march=native for i7 makes a noticeable speed difference to older versions of gcc and generic architecture packages |
| 17:12.51 | Sput | that's one of the biggest downsides of binary distros, you don't get packages optimized for your cpu architecture |
| 17:12.58 | djszapi | imho, it is more dangerous to use old softwares in certain cases if we are speaking about the stability because new versions (inside the same major version) might bring serious bugfixes. It happened once on opensuse with an ati driver bug, and everybody updated to the bugfix release, but them. |
| 17:13.14 | Sput | djszapi: I fully agree, I never understood why some people think "old == stable" |
| 17:13.18 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a real shame that binary distros don't split amd64/i386 into several subarchitectures |
| 17:13.32 | Sput | djszapi: as I said earlier, the target groups of Gentoo and Arch are pretty much the same :) |
| 17:13.42 | djszapi | :p |
| 17:13.47 | itsnotabigtruck | people say "omg source distros are optimized for /your/ distro" but in all honesty there's very little difference between e.g. westmere and sandy bridge, or whatnot |
| 17:13.47 | nix-cyrus | nooo) |
| 17:13.53 | Sput | we prefer rolling releases and uptodate software about old, "stable" |
| 17:13.55 | itsnotabigtruck | */your/ cpu |
| 17:14.10 | Sput | itsnotabigtruck: there is a huge difference between "generic amd64" and "i7" |
| 17:14.24 | Clint | how huge? |
| 17:14.25 | itsnotabigtruck | but there needs to be e.g. nehalem and better, c2 and better, and generic |
| 17:15.56 | itsnotabigtruck | for what it's worth i tried arch a while back and it was pretty neat, but my goal was to set up selinux and that wasn't so hot |
| 17:16.24 | itsnotabigtruck | since it's only implemented through a bunch of unofficial aur packages and the basic policy doesn't work at all on arch |
| 17:16.26 | djszapi | that is never gonna be nifty. |
| 17:16.32 | Sput | Clint: look at http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_avx_gcc&num=1 for example |
| 17:16.43 | Sput | don't have time to look for the other benchmarks right now |
| 17:17.09 | itsnotabigtruck | also it's pretty obnoxious how in theory arch is a binary distro, but a *huge* chunk of what one would want is in AUR only |
| 17:17.10 | Sput | apparently, the new i7 instruction sets can make a huge difference, of course as always that depends on the application |
| 17:17.42 | Sput | (where "huge" means "double the performance") |
| 17:17.58 | Sput | and that's compared to core2, not to speak about "generic amd64" which is what binary distros usually have |
| 17:18.39 | Sput | and for a real usecase: friend of mine had a HTPC that ran some binary distro, wasn't able to play HD video without lag and stutter |
| 17:18.41 | itsnotabigtruck | sput: fyi AVX is sandy bridge+ |
| 17:18.52 | itsnotabigtruck | i7 can be one of 3 different generations, and there's another coming out soon |
| 17:18.54 | Sput | installed Gentoo on the same hardware and everything was smooth |
| 17:19.00 | itsnotabigtruck | sandy bridge is the newest |
| 17:19.03 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I almost never use AUR, and I am a pretty hard core developer. |
| 17:19.03 | Sput | itsnotabigtruck: yes, it's what I have on this laptop :) |
| 17:19.46 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: because what you need to be a "hard core developer" (>_>) is actually pretty mainstream stuff |
| 17:19.51 | itsnotabigtruck | but then you want, say, a jabber daemon |
| 17:19.55 | djszapi | and what people need might go into the official over 10 votes anyway. |
| 17:19.56 | itsnotabigtruck | and you have to resort to aur |
| 17:20.22 | djszapi | so your stuff did not get 10 votes, so why bother ? |
| 17:20.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm used to debian where EVERYTHING is in the repo, ready to install |
| 17:20.33 | itsnotabigtruck | and there's even a pretty ncurses interface for apt |
| 17:21.05 | djszapi | I would argue about everything in the repo, because our project is not, but ok.. |
| 17:21.26 | djszapi | and available almost anywhere else. |
| 17:23.15 | itsnotabigtruck | might be a good idea to see about filing an ITP bug and going through the relevant bureaucracy then |
| 17:23.29 | djszapi | why ? |
| 17:23.43 | djszapi | everybody could manage it, but them. We do not support debian users then. :P |
| 17:23.51 | itsnotabigtruck | because that gets you into the repo of the single most popular desktop distro, for one |
| 17:25.03 | djszapi | I do not care about debian support too much especially. If there are users over there complaining, then I will. |
| 17:26.35 | itsnotabigtruck | if you aren't in the ubuntu repos then you're missing out on an opportunity for potential users to find out about it |
| 17:26.47 | itsnotabigtruck | and by "single most popular desktop distro" i mean ubuntu |
| 17:26.58 | itsnotabigtruck | (by migration from debian unstable) |
| 17:27.06 | djszapi | not really. |
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| 17:27.16 | djszapi | If I need something, I do not care where it comes from. |
| 17:27.41 | itsnotabigtruck | but maybe prospective users don't know they need it yet |
| 17:27.58 | djszapi | well, I use google more than my package manager for such questions what I need, really :D |
| 17:27.59 | tomma | what are you talking about? |
| 17:28.17 | tomma | argue about linux distros? |
| 17:28.18 | Sput | itsnotabigtruck: apparently, Linux Mint is more popular than *buntu these days |
| 17:28.50 | Sput | they're bleeding users with all their UX experimentation |
| 17:30.20 | itsnotabigtruck | sput: well, mint is just an ubuntu rebranding though |
| 17:30.32 | itsnotabigtruck | well, not just, but you get the point |
| 17:32.47 | tomma | atleast i am happy with gentoo... kde team has their own layout which has new packages then there is qting-edge layout which has new Qt packages and if i need some custom package which cant be found in any layout then writing .ebuild for it takes few minutes |
| 17:34.31 | djszapi | Sput: oopsie, the pacman4 update broke some thingie :) |
| 17:35.28 | Sput | wanders off, KDE release party |
| 17:44.30 | Arkenoi | does vcardconverter work with more than one contact per file? |
| 17:45.15 | djszapi | try it |
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| 17:52.26 | tomma | why couldn't they make it possible to import multiple vcards in Contacts... well atleast one could do |
| 17:53.43 | tomma | first time i flashed n950 i didn't have them synced to google... but i was smart and imported them as vcards... i was annoying to import one by one all those files |
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| 17:58.19 | npm | ~aegis |
| 17:58.20 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 17:58.39 | npm | ~infobot |
| 17:58.39 | infobot | [infobot] happy |
| 18:02.53 | RST38h | ~jump |
| 18:02.53 | infobot | boing boing boing |
| 18:03.02 | RST38h | ~sleep |
| 18:03.02 | infobot | it has been said that sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 18:03.05 | RST38h | ~kill |
| 18:03.14 | RST38h | Ha. Made it think. |
| 18:03.22 | itsnotabigtruck | ~terminate |
| 18:03.46 | itsnotabigtruck | also lol @ the comic link for ~aegis |
| 18:04.24 | ZogG_laptop | if i have html text to display as listview element, should i use text or webelemnt |
| 18:04.50 | itsnotabigtruck | though locking up *my* techology is fun, it's when somebody else does so that it isn't so great |
| 18:05.19 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: well, how complicated is the html |
| 18:05.26 | ZogG_laptop | as webview looks fine, but not native, while text is fine, but the problem is the images, it loads them and width property do now work for them |
| 18:05.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i think text is only for very simple formatting like bold, color, etc. |
| 18:05.44 | itsnotabigtruck | you probably don't want to load a zillion instances of webkit inside your listview |
| 18:05.58 | ZogG_laptop | so text? |
| 18:06.13 | ZogG_laptop | the text is fine, the problem is the images inside |
| 18:06.31 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe you can take the image out of the html formatting |
| 18:06.40 | itsnotabigtruck | how about putting a panel of some sort in the listview |
| 18:06.45 | ZogG_laptop | i grab formatting as it is |
| 18:06.48 | itsnotabigtruck | which contains an image next to text |
| 18:07.48 | ZogG_laptop | can't i just format that image inside ? |
| 18:08.06 | ZogG_laptop | i mean set the property as to scale and width and so on? |
| 18:10.51 | ZogG_laptop | image just keep getting out of item |
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| 18:13.44 | tomma | ZogG_laptop, in image you need to use sourceWidth and sourceHeight |
| 18:14.02 | npm | so no skype for the lumia, but it works on the n950 meego>wp7 |
| 18:14.06 | tomma | if you need real size of image |
| 18:14.17 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: those are images inside text |
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| 18:14.59 | ZogG_laptop | i get posts, the format is html |
| 18:15.07 | ZogG_laptop | so i use them in listview |
| 18:15.20 | tomma | and you use pure html in Text item? |
| 18:15.55 | ZogG_laptop | i tried webview but 1) formay different, 2) i have a least 10 items |
| 18:16.26 | tomma | well you could parse it as xml if it is xhtml |
| 18:16.37 | RST38h | BTW, Elop is now blaming marketing for the low sales |
| 18:16.50 | RST38h | Says marketing people are all morons |
| 18:16.58 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: of N9, or in general |
| 18:16.59 | itsnotabigtruck | link? |
| 18:17.03 | RST38h | Lumias |
| 18:17.06 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: its pure html, posts from tumblr |
| 18:17.21 | itsnotabigtruck | well, to be fair nokia's marketing is pretty fubar |
| 18:17.39 | ZogG_laptop | n9 was sold good - so i think the problem is in the phone |
| 18:17.41 | itsnotabigtruck | they're taking a mid-90s approach to sales, it's 2012 |
| 18:17.43 | RST38h | There is only so much you can do to sell a lemon |
| 18:18.04 | RST38h | (andI do not mean N9, however halfbaked N9 is, it is a little wonder when compared to Lumia) |
| 18:18.06 | tomma | marketing? giving free lumia for expensive 2year subscription is marketing? |
| 18:18.19 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: but it's not a lemon compared to the other wp units...but they keep pulling all this regional marketing bullshit |
| 18:18.33 | itsnotabigtruck | everything is segmented by country in a world where that's pretty irrelevant |
| 18:19.23 | RST38h | If all WP7 units use the same software, they are all lemons |
| 18:19.33 | RST38h | Tried using it? |
| 18:20.57 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: no, but i do have a zune hd, which has a rather similar UI |
| 18:21.11 | itsnotabigtruck | which is quite solid |
| 18:21.27 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem with WP7 is the gimped programming environment |
| 18:21.38 | itsnotabigtruck | but that isn't a factor for joe median |
| 18:21.41 | RST38h | Yeah, it is like zune with a sim card |
| 18:21.48 | RST38h | It is very very solid. Like a brick. |
| 18:22.12 | RST38h | Can't even play videos |
| 18:22.22 | itsnotabigtruck | what? of course it can play video |
| 18:22.28 | RST38h | Only wmv ones |
| 18:22.33 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 18:22.35 | ZogG_laptop | really? |
| 18:22.38 | RST38h | yeah |
| 18:22.43 | ZogG_laptop | fail |
| 18:23.03 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: what you say about mircosoft making there own linux distro? |
| 18:23.06 | RST38h | it does let you convert on copy, but the process takes an hour or so (Core i7 CPU) and the result is kinda smeary |
| 18:23.18 | RST38h | ZogG: Should I say anything? |
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| 18:23.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: are you sure about that? the actual zune can play h.264 and xvid too |
| 18:23.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd be really surprised if they didn't have at least h.264 on wp7 |
| 18:24.13 | RST38h | Can't play videos, can't read ebooks, can't attach as USB storage, can't use any other web browser but the ancient IE, and their app store has got fewer useful apps than Harmattan's Ovi |
| 18:24.17 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: you talking to wrong guy |
| 18:24.23 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, right |
| 18:24.26 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ RST38h :p |
| 18:24.35 | RST38h | Ah, btw, you would think this thing can at least play music decently? |
| 18:24.38 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: the usb storage was funny thing as microsoft takes money from android for it =) |
| 18:24.53 | RST38h | But no, Harmattan's music player is way better |
| 18:25.11 | RST38h | WP7's is..well...somewhat unfinished |
| 18:25.53 | ZogG_laptop | /s/unfinished/unneeded |
| 18:26.34 | RST38h | Oh, wait, have I forgotten? NO GAMES. |
| 18:26.48 | RST38h | The only decent game in the store, it seems, is the Angry Birds. |
| 18:27.45 | djszapi | RST38h: I am just about to push one :p |
| 18:28.55 | RST38h | djszapi; written in C#, I am sure? |
| 18:33.10 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: from what i've heard, WP7 actually has a pretty solid selection of games |
| 18:33.29 | itsnotabigtruck | the app store in general isn't so great, but there's games |
| 18:33.31 | itsnotabigtruck | thanks to ms being able to lean on xbox publishers |
| 18:33.32 | ZogG_laptop | tomma: so any other ideas? |
| 18:33.44 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas harmattan pretty much just has angry birds |
| 18:34.10 | RST38h | itsnot: I can name you at least 10 decent harmattan games. Can you do the same for wp7? |
| 18:34.34 | itsnotabigtruck | well no, because i don't actually pay that much attention to it since i don't own one |
| 18:34.56 | RST38h | see? |
| 18:34.56 | itsnotabigtruck | but i could use some more games on my N9, so shoot :p |
| 18:35.10 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: they got soundhound =\ |
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| 18:35.51 | itsnotabigtruck | also looking at the WP7 store, i'm seeing an awful lot of xbl-integrated games |
| 18:36.26 | djszapi | RST38h: yes, but very simple game :p |
| 18:36.42 | djszapi | what games do you guys advise for Harmattan by the way ? |
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| 18:38.42 | nid0 | I wish I could suggest checkers but the ai's so appauling its not even worth playing :< |
| 18:38.50 | ZogG_laptop | angrybirds =P |
| 18:39.00 | RST38h | Angry Birds, Galaxy On Fire, Need For Speed, EA Golf, Monopoly, StackIt!, GT Racing, Protoxide, WoR, Dalton, RipOff, IncredibleCircus |
| 18:39.12 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: X-speed actually cool game, gravity guy, samurai2 |
| 18:40.13 | djszapi | RST38h: I do not like accelerometer input for AB |
| 18:40.17 | djszapi | for NFS, sorry. |
| 18:41.36 | RST38h | then do not use accelerometer input |
| 18:41.50 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: eh, the 1st 3 were made pretty much to show off the phone :p but fair enough |
| 18:42.05 | itsnotabigtruck | but you probably got most of the high quality games on that list |
| 18:42.08 | itsnotabigtruck | wp7 has a *lot* more |
| 18:45.01 | RST38h | itsnot: they are not games? they are unplayable? |
| 18:45.15 | RST38h | wp7 does not even have these, sorry |
| 18:45.44 | RST38h | and never will, unless Microsoft opens native development |
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| 18:49.58 | djszapi | RST38h: is there other option for NFS ? |
| 18:50.01 | trx | i got my lumia800 today, is there *anything* interesting to do with it? :/ |
| 18:50.16 | SqRt7744 | trx, does it blend? |
| 18:50.29 | trx | except achaeology with IE.. |
| 18:50.35 | trx | SqRt7744 not really |
| 18:51.07 | trx | its nothing like n900 or n950 |
| 18:51.11 | trx | in any way |
| 18:51.47 | trx | archaeology* |
| 18:51.56 | SqRt7744 | trx, why did you get it? |
| 18:52.38 | trx | nokia gave it to me |
| 18:52.39 | nid0 | well, its different - theres not much to generally dick around with on the 800 but its excellent to actually use, the n900/n9're great to dick about with, but less functional in a *lot* of ways |
| 18:53.15 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: as in, some of those were probably commissioned by nokia specifically to have some games to show off |
| 18:53.22 | itsnotabigtruck | which is why they're preloaded |
| 18:53.37 | itsnotabigtruck | wp7 has a looooong list of games from major studios, look at the list |
| 18:53.43 | RST38h | djszapi: You said AB, not NFS |
| 18:54.02 | djszapi | 20:40 < djszapi> for NFS, sorry. -> :P |
| 18:54.04 | RST38h | for NFS, there used to be a virtual controller, and the accelerometer was optional. Dunno how it works in the latest versions. |
| 18:54.25 | RST38h | itsnot: Who cares? |
| 18:54.48 | RST38h | nid0: how is it excellent to actually use, when it has IE for a browser? |
| 18:55.05 | RST38h | nid0: and I cannot delete an email account I have just added? |
| 18:55.12 | RST38h | nid0: and I can't watch a movie? |
| 18:55.30 | nid0 | more's the point, when is IE on wp7 actually a problem rather than something just to piss and whine about? |
| 18:55.40 | RST38h | nid0: and the music is sorted by artist names, and the cover art never ever appears? |
| 18:55.47 | djszapi | RST38h: I have never seen anything else than accelerometer based control in NFS since the early beta days on Harmattan. |
| 18:56.23 | RST38h | nid0: does not render some pages well, does not show google mobile apps correctly (well, some), hard to read |
| 18:56.56 | RST38h | nid0: Harmattan's browser is doing a much better job, ironically (I know how many people are pissed about it) |
| 18:57.21 | trx | i agree |
| 18:57.25 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: it means it's not sustainable |
| 18:57.54 | RST38h | itsnot: If you have decided not to sell the device, developing for it is not going to be sustainable, yes |
| 18:58.01 | itsnotabigtruck | your assertion is that harmattan has more quality games than wp7 |
| 18:58.11 | nid0 | personally i've never seen any particular problems with either browser, the only thing that irritates me with wp7's is that the "default to desktop view" option doesnt properly mask the user-agent, so sites run by shitface webmasters can ignore it and present you a mobile site |
| 18:58.11 | itsnotabigtruck | wp7 has lots of publishers on board with major games |
| 18:58.15 | itsnotabigtruck | harmattan has a few one-offs |
| 18:58.21 | RST38h | itsnot: The fun part though, is when you DO decide to sell the device, but develping for it STILL isn'tsustainable |
| 18:58.25 | itsnotabigtruck | that doesn't make wp7 better than harmattan |
| 18:58.35 | itsnotabigtruck | wp7 is a bigger platform, bigger platforms have more games and stuff |
| 18:58.44 | RST38h | itsnot: Like, if your device is programmed in a totally different language that also has performance limitations |
| 18:58.47 | itsnotabigtruck | but it does mean wp7 has more games |
| 18:59.02 | RST38h | itsnot: well, replace "have" with "supposed to have" |
| 18:59.03 | itsnotabigtruck | and right, but xna also makes it easier to build games in the first place |
| 18:59.16 | RST38h | itnot: once you do this substitution you will see that it means nothing |
| 18:59.27 | itsnotabigtruck | this is just apoligism |
| 18:59.29 | itsnotabigtruck | *apologism |
| 18:59.31 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i need some lunch |
| 18:59.41 | itsnotabigtruck | i think that was muphry's law kicking in there just now |
| 19:00.04 | RST38h | won't go into explaining how large companies like EA have got all the code already written and will not invest intorewriting it in a different language and solving all the perf issues |
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| 19:00.27 | DrGrov | Evening again guys & gals |
| 19:00.37 | DrGrov | How was the easiest way to install ex. IPSMagic? |
| 19:00.37 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: and those large companies consider it to be worth it if wp7 takes off |
| 19:00.39 | itsnotabigtruck | n9 can't take off |
| 19:00.49 | itsnotabigtruck | no one bothers to port to n9 because it's a tiny portion of the marketshare |
| 19:01.16 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: https://crypty.ch/p/4MrWRwuR#a3ffc9f5e1e9eec1c50bbd6dc8a5d3bc i think there's easier ways but that does the trick |
| 19:01.20 | nid0 | the rate wp7's marketplace numbers are skyrocketing suggest a lot of devs are happy that it *has* taken off |
| 19:02.13 | itsnotabigtruck | do that from develsh |
| 19:02.27 | RST38h | itsnot: forget n9. everybody is porting to Android. |
| 19:02.42 | RST38h | itsnot: which supports native development. |
| 19:02.52 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: right, and they're not porting to N9 from there |
| 19:02.53 | RST38h | itsnot: wp7 is simply not a player |
| 19:03.10 | RST38h | itsnot: both EA and Gameloft are |
| 19:03.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i've argued your side before in the past |
| 19:03.28 | itsnotabigtruck | but what you're not taking into account is that wp7 has momentum |
| 19:03.42 | itsnotabigtruck | even with its gimped programming environment |
| 19:03.52 | RST38h | itsnot: I do not care what imaginary entities wp7 "has" |
| 19:03.56 | itsnotabigtruck | sure, everybody is porting to android |
| 19:04.00 | itsnotabigtruck | but we were talking about harmattan |
| 19:04.03 | RST38h | itsnot: I will believe it is viable when it is viable |
| 19:04.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and harmattan, as cool as it may be, doesn't have momentum |
| 19:04.13 | itsnotabigtruck | elop has made sure of that |
| 19:04.22 | RST38h | Right now, wp7 is a sad little brick that can't even compare with Harmattan |
| 19:04.36 | RST38h | And Harmattan isn't exactly the pinnacle of usability, you know |
| 19:05.01 | ieatlint | wp7 sales aren't actually doing that well.. |
| 19:05.07 | ieatlint | it doesn't have momentum |
| 19:05.10 | RST38h | no shit Sherlock |
| 19:05.18 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it has more momentum than harmattan |
| 19:05.21 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Can I specify where I download that .deb file when I use wget? |
| 19:05.24 | itsnotabigtruck | because harmattan has none :p |
| 19:05.29 | RST38h | itsnot: Again, forget about harmattan |
| 19:05.31 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah, using -O |
| 19:05.40 | ieatlint | and the wp7 marketplace arguably only increased in size at the rate it did because the mango software release added crazy things like network sockets |
| 19:05.41 | itsnotabigtruck | normally it downloads to the current directory |
| 19:05.51 | ieatlint | and then suddenly there was a lot more low hanging fruit to write apps for |
| 19:05.52 | itsnotabigtruck | so you might as well just cd somewhere first |
| 19:05.52 | RST38h | itsnot: You are repeating "harmattan harmattan" as if it were something to measure success by |
| 19:06.01 | RST38h | itsnot: compare to Android instead |
| 19:06.15 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: because we were talking about games, on harmattan |
| 19:06.20 | itsnotabigtruck | lots of stuff on android doesn't help any of us |
| 19:06.28 | itsnotabigtruck | (assuming we're all using n950 or n9 as main phones) |
| 19:06.32 | RST38h | itsnot: I said "*even* harmattan" |
| 19:06.34 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Ok, I cd to /Download then and get it there. Can I remove the .deb file after I have installed it? |
| 19:06.41 | RST38h | Do you really want me to compare wp7 to Android? :) |
| 19:06.42 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yup, just rm it |
| 19:06.56 | ieatlint | actually the opengl base for games in harmattan is comparable to android's, which is why things like gof2 and need for speed were in the n9 launch |
| 19:07.04 | DrGrov | Sure, will rm it afterwards. That does sound quite straight forward actually. |
| 19:07.11 | djszapi | RST38h: do you still developer for Android ? |
| 19:07.14 | itsnotabigtruck | RST38h: well, it's obvious that android and the iphone are both far ahead of anything else |
| 19:07.17 | RST38h | djszapi: yes. |
| 19:07.24 | ieatlint | there is porting required, but nothing on the scale you'd see with porting to wp7 |
| 19:07.26 | DrGrov | I wonder, I put my data transfer to be used when neccessary? Does it automatically pick it up when I do sudo apt-get update? |
| 19:07.27 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's fairly obvious that android has way more stuff than wp7 |
| 19:07.29 | djszapi | RST38h: platform or application side ? |
| 19:07.32 | itsnotabigtruck | and anything else that's not the iphone |
| 19:07.34 | djszapi | (if I may ask) |
| 19:07.37 | RST38h | djszapi: apps |
| 19:07.54 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: if nokia actually told us how many n9s were sold, i think it would put the lumias to shame |
| 19:08.02 | RST38h | djszapi: I have seen the platform, but not paid to work on it |
| 19:08.13 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: i don't think so, so connect it first |
| 19:08.14 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Shouldn't there by some other command after the "apt-get install -f install" ? |
| 19:08.23 | itsnotabigtruck | also you can delete the deb after the dpkg -i step |
| 19:08.25 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Sure, I will turn it on first then. |
| 19:08.27 | djszapi | RST38h: do you think there is a C++ development inside the platform ? |
| 19:08.31 | RST38h | ieatlint: apparently something like 1.4m N9s against 1.3m Lumias |
| 19:08.35 | djszapi | somewhere at least. |
| 19:08.37 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: So dpkg - i is actually already installing it? |
| 19:08.55 | RST38h | djszapi: there is, I know it, just had to resolve an issue related to it, for a friend at work |
| 19:08.56 | ieatlint | RST38h: sounds about what i'd expect |
| 19:09.17 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah, the steps go 1. update the package list from nokia servers, 2. install wget, so that you can 3. download the deb, 4. install the deb, 5. install the dependencies needed to make the deb work, 6. reboot so lpsmagic starts |
| 19:09.17 | djszapi | RST38h: need to consider the future job. :) |
| 19:09.32 | DrGrov | And it does run automatically without me needing to do anything after the reboot? |
| 19:09.42 | RST38h | djszapi: if you are so choosy that you absolutely want to do C++, stay away from Android |
| 19:09.42 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yup. but it takes about 1.5mins to start after the reboot |
| 19:10.11 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I do understand the steps and commands. Do I need to make my screen idle time longer then from 30 sec before it activates screen lock? |
| 19:10.25 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I just wondered since the command nr. 5 looked like it is missing something :) |
| 19:10.34 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: nope, just reboot and leave it be |
| 19:10.36 | djszapi | RST38h: why do you suggest so ? |
| 19:10.47 | itsnotabigtruck | when lpsmagic kicks in, the touch screen will stop responding for about half a second |
| 19:10.53 | RST38h | djszapi: Because Android people follow the principle "whatever works" |
| 19:10.57 | itsnotabigtruck | if you were using the phone at the time |
| 19:11.14 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: So even if I have lock screen enabled within 30 seconds it kicks in automatically when the screen already is in idle mode? |
| 19:11.34 | RST38h | djszapi: they do not do things "right", they do things randomly, being led by whatever ideas they have got from their universty classes and entry level jobs |
| 19:11.45 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: whenever you're on the lock screen (the dark one with the clock) it's active |
| 19:11.51 | itsnotabigtruck | timeout doesn't matter |
| 19:12.05 | RST38h | djszapi; if you are ok with it (I am), there is no problem |
| 19:12.06 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Yes, the one with clock. I just wondered if It locks automatically before than 1.5 min has passed |
| 19:12.14 | RST38h | Otherwise, stay away from Android platform. |
| 19:12.14 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Idiot questions I know :D |
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| 19:12.42 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well...it'll show lpsmagic whenever it would go to the screen with the clock |
| 19:12.46 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure what your question is |
| 19:12.47 | RST38h | The applications API (i.e. Android Java API) is basically Symbian reimplemented in Java. |
| 19:12.49 | djszapi | RST38h: Rovio invited me, but I would probably lose my Gluon project as a "concurence" for them. On the other hand, I do not like how they build games. |
| 19:13.06 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Ok, no problem then :) I just wondered to ask since you said it takes about 1.5 min before it kicks in |
| 19:13.20 | djszapi | concurrence*, qt5 and Nokia are also nice opportunities. :) |
| 19:13.27 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: ohhh...well, by "kick in" i meant it finishing loading |
| 19:13.27 | RST38h | djszapi: That is apps, not platform. And you mean you do not like how they fill themselves with beer and then record their own burping to be used in games? =) |
| 19:13.50 | SpeedEvil | Do not criticise Rovio. People who do have been found dead in unsolved drive-by catapultings. |
| 19:13.50 | itsnotabigtruck | it takes about 1.5mins for it to become active, then, whenever you're at the clock screen, you get lpsmagic |
| 19:14.01 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: haha |
| 19:14.23 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Ok :) I got it now :) I am probably already at lock screen before it becomes active. That is how I mean |
| 19:14.52 | djszapi | RST38h: they do not have a good development and distribution platform underneath |
| 19:15.28 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Is it possible to change that clock screen somehow? I have digital now but is lpsmagic suitable for analog clock as well? |
| 19:16.07 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: no clue...it's admiral0's project so ping him when he's on |
| 19:16.14 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Sure, will do :) |
| 19:16.18 | itsnotabigtruck | lpsmagic messes with the operator logo area |
| 19:16.26 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think there's a way to actually do anything to the clock |
| 19:16.34 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I am not sure if I should install it yet then before I know the minor details |
| 19:17.10 | DrGrov | But that clock is not controlled from elsewhere? If I have the standard lock screen I have the digital clock, can that not be changed to be an analog clock as well? |
| 19:17.11 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, it works, and it's cool, so install it :D it's written in python so try unzipping the deb and reading the source |
| 19:18.28 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Well it is definitely cool since it would give me the possibility to monitor the battery level more easy, finally get % to show how much is left :) |
| 19:18.56 | DrGrov | I became used to that from the iPhone 4, % is my way to monitor battery level. Makes me sleep better |
| 19:19.10 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 19:20.17 | DrGrov | What does apt-get -f install actually mean? LOL |
| 19:20.27 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: fix broken package dependencies |
| 19:20.28 | DrGrov | the -f flag is meaning what? |
| 19:20.31 | DrGrov | Ah, ok :) |
| 19:20.53 | DrGrov | And it will then install those as necessary without needing to specify which ones? |
| 19:20.57 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 19:21.07 | DrGrov | Great, then I shall install it right now :) |
| 19:21.19 | itsnotabigtruck | i think an alternate way of doing it using pkgmgr install-file -f was being discussed earlier |
| 19:21.21 | DrGrov | I gotta remember to turn off devmode afterwards though, hate to see me mess around too much afterwards :D |
| 19:21.27 | RST38h | djszapi: why would you care? |
| 19:21.33 | RST38h | djszapi: if you are going to code? |
| 19:21.44 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: turning off dev mode doesn't actually turn it off |
| 19:21.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it just hides the terminal and stuff |
| 19:21.57 | itsnotabigtruck | but there's no reason not to leave it on |
| 19:21.58 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: No I know but yes, hiding the terminal is good :) |
| 19:22.11 | djszapi | RST38h: because I would not like to reinvent the wheel, but work on a common platform for the script writers. |
| 19:22.13 | itsnotabigtruck | come on, the terminal is half the reason you bought this thing :D |
| 19:22.24 | DrGrov | Of course it is but I dare not touch it too much :D |
| 19:22.43 | itsnotabigtruck | bbl |
| 19:23.07 | DrGrov | Before I reboot I can delete that .deb?= |
| 19:23.49 | djszapi | Sput: yes, it was the Daniel Robbins afair. He was kicked out, and many and the sensible people followed him (left). |
| 19:27.00 | RST38h | Here is the really informative article: http://gizmodo.com/5880171/what-makes-a-better-skipping-stone-the-iphone-4-or-the-htc-desire-hd |
| 19:31.00 | DrGrov | apt-get update does not work. How do I get root? |
| 19:32.10 | DrGrov | I can not do apt-get update in order to go and get lpsmagic. |
| 19:32.17 | DrGrov | I need to be root for this, yes? |
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| 19:33.44 | nix-cyrus | DrGrov: devel-su then rootme I think.. if you talking about terminal on N9) |
| 19:34.00 | DrGrov | nix-cyrus: Thanks, I will try. Yes, terminal on N9. |
| 19:34.38 | nix-cyrus | DrGrov: rootme is default password |
| 19:36.34 | djszapi | does the SoundEffect component work for anybody ? |
| 19:45.12 | Arkenoi | haha, n950 is incredible when it comes to show off. "got a new Nokia? haven't seen ones like that, when was it released? -- it wasn't" ;-) |
| 19:45.50 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:49.04 | nid0 | some people are easily impressed though, I still get a lot of comments whenever I have my E90 on me, thats 5 years old now |
| 19:51.22 | DrGrov | Damn this |
| 19:51.43 | DrGrov | The last step, apt-get -f install as root, does not let me continue to install the missing deps for lsmagic. It just cancels. |
| 19:52.06 | djszapi | what is the precise message ? |
| 19:52.14 | DrGrov | It says "Canceled". |
| 19:52.32 | DrGrov | It tries to install the missing deps and I press J for Yes in Swedish and just "Canceled" turns up |
| 19:52.48 | djszapi | probably the whole output would help more. |
| 19:52.59 | DrGrov | Is the ls-magic package already installed when I have done dpkg - i ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb? |
| 19:53.31 | djszapi | depends on if the prodecure was successful or not. |
| 19:53.58 | Arkenoi | e90 was damn great, but symbian s60 was real crap |
| 19:54.25 | DrGrov | Any better command to use to install the ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb so it automatically picks up the deps as well? |
| 19:54.28 | Arkenoi | i wish n950 had the keyboard size of e90 |
| 19:55.09 | Arkenoi | knows several people who still use e90 because there is no other device like that and probably will never be |
| 19:55.12 | DrGrov | It complained about missing deps when I did dpkg - i ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb but according to itsnotabigtruck the apt-get -f install should pick up them for me instantly |
| 19:55.32 | djszapi | not neccesarily. |
| 19:55.44 | djszapi | depends on that if they are available inside the repository. |
| 19:56.15 | itsnotabigtruck | nid0: the e90 is still cool |
| 19:56.16 | DrGrov | It tells me it will pick those packages from the repository, it tells me 20.8 Mb will be used after getting the libraries |
| 19:56.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a damn shame it never had a proper successor |
| 19:56.34 | itsnotabigtruck | the e7 is a joke |
| 19:56.50 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: these dependencies are available inside the repository however |
| 19:56.56 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: just do it |
| 19:57.03 | itsnotabigtruck | it should be a bunch of python stuff |
| 19:57.22 | itsnotabigtruck | if you have a low data cap make sure you're on wifi or something first |
| 19:57.40 | DrGrov | It does not do it |
| 19:57.42 | DrGrov | Simple as that |
| 19:58.14 | djszapi | DrGrov: why don't you provide the console log to us for the first asking ? |
| 19:59.16 | nid0 | Arkenoi thats basically why I still carry mine around at times, i'm yet to find anything that comes close to an e90 + profimail for mail access on the go |
| 19:59.40 | DrGrov | djszapi: What do you want then? A bit difficult to post the console log when I can barely see the damn thing |
| 19:59.50 | DrGrov | But yes, I try my best to get it |
| 20:00.15 | djszapi | I would like to have the full console log for being able to maybe help you with this. |
| 20:00.34 | DrGrov | Do I need to have the background data option turned on all the time for this? I have it turned off so I manually connect but could it be so that it turns off too fast before I can initiate download? |
| 20:01.03 | djszapi | that would be weird. |
| 20:01.17 | DrGrov | djszapi: I do apt-get -f install and it shows me a bunch of libraries it wants to install. I press Y to continue with the install and then the next output is only Canceled and I get thrown back to prompt. |
| 20:01.24 | DrGrov | So I do not understand what is the problem |
| 20:02.16 | djszapi | me neither without seeing what it writes. |
| 20:03.52 | minimec | DrGrov: I had that too, today. Simply pressing 'return', without choosing 'y' ('j' in my case), did the trick. |
| 20:04.03 | DrGrov | minimec: Ok, I will try that option now then :) |
| 20:04.38 | DrGrov | Yes, that is the fucking spirit |
| 20:04.52 | DrGrov | Work my little minion |
| 20:05.07 | minimec | DrGrov: I was (and am) as surprised as you... |
| 20:05.08 | djszapi | was the yes the default option ? |
| 20:05.29 | DrGrov | Apparently :) |
| 20:05.50 | minimec | djszapi: with apt-get install it is default 'Y/n' |
| 20:06.30 | djszapi | maybe there is a default bug there. |
| 20:07.04 | DrGrov | Now after this I delete the .deb? I can use Tab for auto-completion? |
| 20:07.29 | Arkenoi | (regarding showing off, still nothing compares to 9000i circa 1998. people looked at me like if i was time traveller) |
| 20:07.51 | DrGrov | Ican delete the .deb after installation? |
| 20:08.19 | minimec | DrGrov: deleting the deb will remove the program again ;) |
| 20:08.37 | DrGrov | You sure about that? |
| 20:08.57 | djszapi | deleting a debian file removes the installed program ? |
| 20:09.03 | djszapi | that is new to me ;) |
| 20:09.24 | DrGrov | It is stored in root of course. I can do rm ls-magic_1.1_armel.deb yes correct? Same as any other Linux distro? |
| 20:09.30 | minimec | yeah... ;) |
| 20:09.44 | DrGrov | wTF? Stop giving me a heartattack :D LOL |
| 20:09.45 | djszapi | DrGrov: you can delete the debian file if you either have a backup or you do not care about it anymore. |
| 20:09.49 | djszapi | it is not any special. |
| 20:10.20 | minimec | DrGrov: Oh... deleting that way. Normally it should be in /var/apt/cache... |
| 20:11.00 | minimec | /var/cache/apt.... |
| 20:11.16 | DrGrov | Ok, now the following question... I can use wget to get for ex. a wallpaper from a server easily like that ? |
| 20:11.38 | DrGrov | I can go into ˇ/MyDocs/Pictures and just use wget there to get it there the wallpaper? |
| 20:12.47 | djszapi | yeah |
| 20:12.52 | DrGrov | Good, thanks :) |
| 20:12.53 | djszapi | as user or developer |
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| 20:13.03 | djszapi | for sure. |
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| 20:13.38 | DrGrov | What was the image size now again? 480 x 854 yes? |
| 20:13.56 | DrGrov | Can I save a wallpaper as .png and the N9 recognizes it and uses it properly? OR does it have to be .png ? |
| 20:14.01 | djszapi | yes, that was it |
| 20:14.25 | djszapi | fix your question |
| 20:14.53 | djszapi | you can always try, but what is wrong about png ? |
| 20:15.17 | DrGrov | Ok, I hope .png files work to set as wallpaper |
| 20:15.31 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: you'll find using SSH is a lot more convenient |
| 20:16.13 | itsnotabigtruck | start the sdk connectivity tool, pick wlan, ssh into your phone's ip, port 22, username developer, and what it gives you for the password |
| 20:16.25 | itsnotabigtruck | that way you can also copy and paste the apt output to e.g. https://crypty.ch |
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| 20:17.21 | itsnotabigtruck | also if i remember correctly, if you download your wallpaper to ~/MyDocs/Pictures/Wallpaper, the wallpaper won't be shown with your photos |
| 20:17.53 | DrGrov | I got it working from Gallery to put wallpapers in ˇ/MyDocs/Pictures just |
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| 20:18.30 | DrGrov | Anyone using GIMP and can tell me a good way to get a additional centered in the middle of the screen? |
| 20:18.55 | DrGrov | I mean to center the layer in the middle of the image |
| 20:19.17 | SqRt7744 | does anyone else get the annoying message about "Madde could not resolve dependency: RemoteLinux 2.4.0" when they start the SDK? |
| 20:23.38 | djszapi | Venemo: o/ |
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| 20:28.41 | DrGrov | Before I restart to get lpsmagic active can I disable developer mode before the restart? |
| 20:29.52 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah, because as i mentioned before doing that doesn't actually change anything under the hood |
| 20:30.17 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you removed aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy then you'd probably get a malf |
| 20:30.20 | itsnotabigtruck | so...don't do that |
| 20:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | why would you want to disable developer mode anyway? |
| 20:32.04 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: because he doesn't like the idea of having the terminal icon there, or something |
| 20:32.30 | admiral0 | :O |
| 20:32.40 | admiral0 | no terminal - no go |
| 20:32.53 | RST38h | yawns |
| 20:32.59 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Because I am worried to mess up something really bad |
| 20:33.43 | admiral0 | i think i'll send to donors private betas of lpsmagic in C |
| 20:33.44 | DrGrov | I think actually I made a mistake to have "Allow background connections" as Off. I gotta have it on it seems. Especially now when I can monitor with lpsmagic the battery consumption in % instead :) |
| 20:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | just don't do it then :-D |
| 20:34.05 | RST38h | DrGrov: Getting an iPhone is recommended =) |
| 20:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's not that hard to not open up terminal and not enter rm -rf / there |
| 20:34.25 | DrGrov | RST38h: I just had one but I got fucking irritated about it, too simple |
| 20:34.38 | DrGrov | RST38h: Absolutely nothing sexy time about it at all |
| 20:34.59 | DrGrov | So after I fixed that I can now turn off developer mode before I do the actual restart? |
| 20:35.15 | RST38h | WP7 then! |
| 20:35.19 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 20:35.58 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah, you can turn dev mode off any time you want |
| 20:36.00 | itsnotabigtruck | just reboot it |
| 20:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: yes, you probably can switch off developer mode any time you want, but it's not exactly recommended |
| 20:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | as you will have to switch it again on sooner or later, and switching it off doesn't really help anything except that one icon less on appstarter screen |
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| 20:38.32 | DrGrov | So no security problems to have it enabled constantly? |
| 20:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 20:38.58 | DrGrov | Ok, I will leave it on then. |
| 20:39.14 | DrGrov | Nah, I do not use the terminal that much. Off it is. :D |
| 20:39.18 | DrGrov | Damn this, can not choose.... |
| 20:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | it just allows you (or a potential malware) to download and install apps from sources other than Nokia. No such malware known yet, and unless YOU install it it won't get on your device anyway |
| 20:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | think of it as "expert mode", not "reduced security developer mode" |
| 20:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically just there to allow Nokia to ship the GUI in a state where "normal dumbass user" wouldn't get confused by those scary terminal and other things |
| 20:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | impact on the way the system works is minimal |
| 20:43.12 | admiral0 | slaps RST38h |
| 20:43.28 | admiral0 | you shall not talk about wp7 in vain |
| 20:44.03 | admiral0 | you shall simply ignore it |
| 20:48.35 | RST38h | admiral0: THOU SHALT |
| 20:49.10 | admiral0 | yep |
| 20:49.14 | admiral0 | :) |
| 20:49.31 | admiral0 | i lost count of beers i drank |
| 20:49.50 | admiral0 | so please don't call grammar nazis |
| 20:50.26 | admiral0 | http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/7/7b/Grammar_nazi_logo.png |
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| 21:00.45 | itsnotabigtruck | HEIL! |
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| 21:13.28 | itsnotabigtruck | btw what does MeeCatalog actually display package info from? |
| 21:16.00 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought it was supposed to be an apt repository browser, but it shows a strange mix of nokia and store packages |
| 21:16.14 | itsnotabigtruck | including most of the ones i've uninstalled and a bunch that i haven't installed before |
| 21:16.46 | itsnotabigtruck | actually, i just realized those are the apps.formeego packages |
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| 21:48.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't understand why it's so common for apps to contain incorrect spelling and grammar |
| 21:48.07 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's worth coding, it's worth spell checking |
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| 22:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's just because spell checkers blow chunks big time, when you run them against a usual *.c or *.h file |
| 22:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | can't recall if e.g. qt-linguist has a spell check built in |
| 22:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | would make much sense |
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| 22:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | you bet that crap used for qml (if there's any) won't have any spellchecker |
| 22:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | but hey, that's what Nokia is forcing us to use and thus forcing things to be |
| 22:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | I actually adore this concept of "if you don't code it in qml, it's probably not supported on HARM"¡ |
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| 22:19.19 | ieatlint | actually in qml you're supposed to use qStr() to encapsulate your strings, and it's the same as tr() in qt |
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| 22:22.16 | ieatlint | i think a lot of the times two factors cause spelling/grammar issues... a lot of devs may not be native speakers of the language, and when you're writing an app, you're often concentrating on a lot of other things than what a string says |
| 22:24.04 | ieatlint | oh, and drunk coding |
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| 22:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I more meant anything remotely resembling qt-linguist or qt-creator, tather than the function call like tr() or qStr() |
| 22:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | rather* |
| 22:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | no idea if there's *anything* for qml |
| 22:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/qt-creator/qt Designer/ |
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| 22:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | when fremantle went gtk->qt for suggested and supported toolkit, I thought WOW. When they introduced qml, this changed to MEH! |
| 22:46.11 | ieatlint | yeah... well, they weren't able to get mtf into a decent state, and then just dropped it on the floor for qml |
| 22:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | next step: qmlite - running apps on remote servers and only the GUI gets rendered in browser on board |
| 22:47.14 | ieatlint | i wish i could downgrade an n9... i have a few meego images from a year ago that i bet would be interesting to see in action |
| 22:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | err, what's the problem with running meego on N9? |
| 22:47.59 | ieatlint | qml already supports that essentially... when you set the qml file on the viewer, it takes a QUrl... |
| 22:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | except for meego itself |
| 22:48.07 | ieatlint | no, i mean harmattan images |
| 22:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 22:49.42 | ieatlint | as far back as 0.2010.42-6 |
| 22:50.11 | DrGrov | I now restarted the phone after I powered it off for the reboot to make lpsmagic working. |
| 22:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: (qmlite) sure, thought as much, just they will enforce it as the only supported way to run app on N9, so they finally reached the state where you lost control of your executables completely, and they can monetize each second of usage of every single app |
| 22:50.48 | DrGrov | I must say it is really working out well, perfect for my needs to monitor battery consumption without needing to second guess anything. Not even need to touch the phone which makes it even better :) |
| 22:51.17 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: no no, that's not in store for the n9 |
| 22:51.21 | ieatlint | you're thinking of meltemi |
| 22:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, sure. You're right |
| 22:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | melt-me |
| 22:52.03 | ieatlint | nokia sure does like its winds |
| 22:52.19 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: BTW, did you want to have some charger things for the N900? |
| 22:52.20 | ieatlint | perhaps the next OS will be codenamed "breaking wind" in finnish |
| 22:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | me produces some wind in general direction Nokia ;-P |
| 22:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: hm? |
| 22:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: how does it behave when "missed call"? |
| 22:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | (the lpsmagic) |
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| 23:09.12 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I have no idea since I turned it off and put it on charging :( I can test it tomorrow and report back to you, I mean test it today since it is Sunday already. That is if you like to know? |
| 23:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | just suspecting conflicts between "2 missed calls" (if there's even such a thing on that lowpower screen) and what LPS is doing |
| 23:11.44 | DrGrov | When I had missed calls on regular low power screen it just showed an missed call upgoing arrow :D |
| 23:12.24 | DrGrov | So it just showed one upside arrow even though I could have 4 missed calls and 2 text messages. Just a envelope and the arrow were shown on the default low power screen. |
| 23:12.40 | DrGrov | What makes you think that there would be a conflict? A conflict because of "too many" events? |
| 23:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | because of conflicting ways the both notification daemons use |
| 23:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about that, just wondering |
| 23:17.02 | DrGrov | Ok :) |
| 23:17.39 | DrGrov | If that was to happen could LPS or/and the default low power screen segfault? :D |
| 23:24.27 | DrGrov | Gotta ask admiral0 when he joins in again to see what he has done with it |
| 23:24.57 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: BTW, did you want to have some spare N900 charger things? LIke the dual charging plug? |
| 23:28.35 | gabriel9 | evening |
| 23:29.08 | gabriel9 | is there any way to play some sound from qml? |
| 23:29.24 | gabriel9 | on onClicked play some mp3 |
| 23:30.06 | gabriel9 | swit jisus there is sound element |
| 23:30.08 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 23:30.40 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (segfault) I guess not |
| 23:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'd just not be surprised to find one overrides the other and makes it vanish |
| 23:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (charger thing) sure, why not |
| 23:33.26 | DrGrov | But what if they co-exist side by side? LPS and the default low power screen? |
| 23:33.52 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I have to try and find them charger things then, I thought that if I get them you might be interested |
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