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| 00:33.23 | DrGrov | What cool is there except ProfileMatic and ipsmagic for the N9? Something that more experienced users can recommend for a n00000000000000b like me :D |
| 00:35.43 | djszapi | you might wanna look into OVI |
| 00:36.49 | DrGrov | djszapi: Ok, will do. Just thought that users give better comments than OVI. |
| 00:37.01 | djszapi | users do give comments in OVI |
| 00:37.16 | DrGrov | Ok, then I head over there |
| 00:37.45 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: clearly you haven't ever actually read an ovi store review >_> |
| 00:38.29 | DrGrov | I have read a few but I do not find them very rewarding... That is why I thought I would ask here |
| 00:38.32 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: please talk silly things like that to someone else, thanks. |
| 00:38.36 | DrGrov | Hi itsnotabigtruck |
| 00:38.37 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: hold on, i'm pulling up the app list on my phone |
| 00:38.47 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Thanks :) Much appreciated. |
| 00:39.15 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: I am sure you got some app that you can recommend that would be useful to keep around. |
| 00:39.30 | djszapi | DrGrov: everybody will advise distinct apps... |
| 00:39.59 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yeah, but some are objectively high quality, and some aren't |
| 00:40.01 | DrGrov | djszapi: Well better that than reading OVI store comments it seems |
| 00:40.03 | itsnotabigtruck | easylist, ipradio, meescan, mtimer, orienteering compass, podcasts, scicalc, the flashlight, translateall, currency converter |
| 00:40.06 | djszapi | and what one advises to you, might be uncool for you, so why not try ? |
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| 00:40.26 | djszapi | DrGrov: that is bad, if people think like that |
| 00:40.29 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ all of those i've found to be quite good (though ipradio is a little buggy) |
| 00:40.39 | djszapi | I always leave my sincere comment there. |
| 00:40.41 | DrGrov | djszapi: What is Meescan all about? |
| 00:41.27 | djszapi | I would personally recommend kalgebra instead of "scicalc". |
| 00:41.32 | DrGrov | djszapi: I do not question your sincerity about commenting :) |
| 00:41.50 | djszapi | translateall .... really simply stuff, so if you need a bit more advanced dictionary, no ho. |
| 00:41.54 | djszapi | no go* |
| 00:42.06 | DrGrov | djszapi: I am questioning the way to get recommendations. I do not find much use to read comments, I prefer to ask instead. |
| 00:42.28 | djszapi | DrGrov: what is the difference between people here or there ? |
| 00:42.32 | djszapi | from user pov. |
| 00:42.57 | djszapi | apart from that you might get zillion comments there in comparison with the situation here Sunday/Monday 02:42 am. |
| 00:43.31 | DrGrov | djszapi: Definitely users here are much more interested in the actual N9/N950 stuff than someone out in the OVI Store. I am 100% sure about that. |
| 00:43.33 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: you do realize that ovi store is not a message board, right |
| 00:44.11 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it indeed is |
| 00:44.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it's 100% useless for what drgrov wants, unless you count exhaustively installing every app, trying it, uninstalling it |
| 00:44.26 | djszapi | you can leave your comment on the application. That is the damn purpose of commenting. |
| 00:45.09 | DrGrov | djszapi: Well the god damn purpose of commenting does not make a flying fuck difference for me right now. I come here to ask opinions but definitely if nobody gives them to me then fine. I ask somewhere else. |
| 00:45.41 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: don't be a prick...and you should probably get some sleep for monday morning if you're such a high flying mobile programmer |
| 00:46.20 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: welcome on my ignore list. |
| 00:46.31 | DrGrov | djszapi: I hope you ignore me as well yes? |
| 00:46.42 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: awesome, thanks |
| 00:47.29 | DrGrov | djszapi: I am just saying that this way for me to search information is much more useful than reading comments on OVI Store. No offence |
| 00:47.31 | itsnotabigtruck | bloody pedants |
| 00:48.18 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: So back to questions then :D |
| 00:48.55 | djszapi | DrGrov: do you understand what rating is for ? |
| 00:48.55 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, for meescan, the ovi store description sums up what it is |
| 00:48.58 | djszapi | and description in ovi ? |
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| 00:49.11 | DrGrov | djszapi: Yes I do understand what it is all about and why it is there. |
| 00:49.14 | itsnotabigtruck | kalgebra has graphs and scicalc doesn't, but the latter looks nicer |
| 00:49.25 | djszapi | you can aska one person sure ... instead of checking the ratings from people |
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| 00:49.54 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that ovi store reviews make youtube comments look like shakespeare |
| 00:49.56 | DrGrov | djszapi: I do not trust the ratings since most of the users I would stumble upon on OVI Store might not give me that answer I am looking for which I get here right away / or at least faster |
| 00:50.28 | djszapi | you got one answer in say, 20 minutes ? |
| 00:50.30 | itsnotabigtruck | generally they're either one word of russian, or broken english |
| 00:50.39 | djszapi | I would have read many good posts from people in that period. |
| 00:51.01 | djszapi | what is the purpose of those features in ovi, if people do not use them ? |
| 00:51.09 | DrGrov | djszapi: Yeah, I got a good answer already since I got a good list of useful apps that itsnotabigtruck uses and thus makes it easier for me to go there and pick them. |
| 00:51.36 | djszapi | good apps for you or for him ? |
| 00:51.42 | DrGrov | djszapi: Well some people like to make comments in OVI but others like me like to come here perhaps or some other place first and ask for opinions. |
| 00:52.14 | DrGrov | djszapi: They seem like good apps for him and since I now know the names of his most used apps I might look more into which ones he suggested and look if they are good for me as well or not. |
| 00:53.07 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: think of the audience that keeps buying nokia phones and you'll understand the comments more |
| 00:53.53 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Would you say scicalc is easier to use than kalgebra? |
| 00:54.01 | djszapi | it is like making private queries for public questions. That is just ... not the place where to look for answers for the questions. If people refuse using the ovi store collaboration, I do not wonder there are no useful comments. |
| 00:54.52 | DrGrov | djszapi: Why does it matter which way a user finds his/her apps that he/she would try and perhaps even like? |
| 00:55.24 | DrGrov | ieatlint: Would you say most of the comments made on OVI are actually good or bad? Are they relevant for the cause? |
| 00:55.41 | djszapi | steps away, has better things to do |
| 00:55.56 | ieatlint | i standby my comment, which was neither russian nor broken english |
| 00:56.27 | DrGrov | ieatlint: Ok, I understand. Then perhaps I must evaluate the comments again from another perspective. |
| 00:56.57 | DrGrov | And why would my questions be considered public questions? Does it really matter at all who does the questioning and where he/she does it? |
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| 00:59.20 | djszapi | DrGrov: if nobody used OVI, what would be the purpose of the collaboration there ? |
| 00:59.30 | djszapi | secondly, it sounds like a user question, which is #n9 channel. |
| 01:00.12 | DrGrov | djszapi: Ok, my questions are perhaps much more like user questions but I like the collaboration going on here |
| 01:00.15 | djszapi | did anybody get the PathLine work in QML ? |
| 01:00.42 | djszapi | DrGrov: then please read the topic: Customers help customers on #N9 |
| 01:00.43 | faenil | djszapi: haven't tried it yet |
| 01:00.44 | DrGrov | djszapi: I am not saying that the collaboration is not good or not working. I am just saying that there is another ways as well to get information |
| 01:00.58 | djszapi | faenil: I thought it should draw a straight line, but it does not do :/ |
| 01:01.08 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, since this particular phone has a somewhat different audience and was marketed heavily in finland and australia, i'd expect a bit more finnish and english |
| 01:01.12 | djszapi | DrGrov: right, please ask on N9 |
| 01:01.23 | DrGrov | djszapi: So, you mean it is unacceptable to ask questions here? |
| 01:01.31 | faenil | djszapi: well it should, as per docs xD |
| 01:01.34 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: well, he's sort of right, this is supposed to be for dev questions |
| 01:01.38 | djszapi | DrGrov: what does the topic say ? |
| 01:01.43 | itsnotabigtruck | #n9 is supposed to be about which apps you like, what case to use, whatever |
| 01:01.48 | itsnotabigtruck | but no one frequents #n9 |
| 01:01.53 | DrGrov | Ok, I head over to #n9 with my questions |
| 01:01.57 | djszapi | thanks |
| 01:02.20 | itsnotabigtruck | this channel has more than 3 times the number of people as #n9 |
| 01:02.26 | DrGrov | djszapi: You always get this excited about telling someone they might be wrong? :D |
| 01:02.58 | djszapi | DrGrov: I would not like to discuss such a user thingie here. |
| 01:02.58 | DrGrov | Sorry, correction. That they are wrong. Nevermind, #n9 it is |
| 01:03.03 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: do you often find your expectations not match with reality? |
| 01:03.18 | ieatlint | for instance, do you often find the average person to be well spoken and competent? |
| 01:03.31 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: heh |
| 01:03.32 | djszapi | DrGrov: and since N9 is silent, I advised OVI. |
| 01:04.21 | DrGrov | djszapi: Ok, OVI it is then. |
| 01:04.29 | djszapi | faenil: yeah, it should, but no idea why it does not work :/ |
| 01:04.36 | faenil | :O |
| 01:05.03 | DrGrov | ieatlint: That is perhaps the sole purpose that I visit here since I can actually find a well spoken and competent person here to answer my questions. Just my x amount of cents. |
| 01:05.42 | ieatlint | makes sense to me |
| 01:05.49 | ieatlint | although well spoken is sometimes asking too much |
| 01:06.00 | djszapi | DrGrov: try to ask kde or qt user questions on #kde-devel or #qt-labs |
| 01:06.10 | djszapi | you will not get any different answers than to me over there. |
| 01:06.19 | djszapi | from* |
| 01:07.03 | DrGrov | djszapi: Sure, just because you mentioned it I have actually got seriously good help in dev channels in the past for user questions. |
| 01:07.39 | faenil | I'm freaking happy, pinchtozoom is "almost" working in a decent way |
| 01:07.48 | djszapi | you are suggesting to make a harmattan-dev channel for real development questions only ? |
| 01:08.04 | djszapi | because I would not like the distraction, but if that is the only way ... |
| 01:08.05 | faenil | time to go to bed |
| 01:08.13 | faenil | djszapi: good luck with the line drawing xD |
| 01:08.20 | djszapi | faenil: does not work :p |
| 01:08.25 | ieatlint | i use it to develop prejudices and seething hatred |
| 01:09.08 | djszapi | faenil: http://paste.kde.org/195944/ |
| 01:09.10 | DrGrov | djszapi: No I am not suggesting that. You said so. Up to you |
| 01:10.18 | faenil | djszapi: I'm trying in my project |
| 01:10.59 | djszapi | faenil: I thought it should have drawn a horizontal line, you know something that you can see in the settings. |
| 01:11.08 | djszapi | a.k.a. the qml way of QSplitter. |
| 01:11.27 | faenil | aha |
| 01:11.58 | ieatlint | a pathline is used for pathviews |
| 01:12.03 | faenil | yeah |
| 01:12.09 | faenil | it doesn't really draw |
| 01:12.10 | ieatlint | to make the equiv of qsplitter, use a rectangle with a small height |
| 01:12.15 | faenil | it's an abstract drawing I guess |
| 01:12.25 | faenil | that's what the docs mean I think |
| 01:12.34 | faenil | you create an abstract line :D |
| 01:12.44 | djszapi | then it clearly sucks for this purpose. |
| 01:12.49 | faenil | :D |
| 01:12.51 | faenil | good night ;) |
| 01:13.25 | djszapi | wonders whether qml2 has at least qt4 gui coverage |
| 01:13.48 | ieatlint | if you mean components... no |
| 01:13.56 | djszapi | not components, no. |
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| 01:14.51 | djszapi | afaik there are no components out there on top of qml2 |
| 01:15.20 | ieatlint | qml2 still really is just "omg scene graphs" |
| 01:15.26 | djszapi | but anyway, qml is still a sort of regression after qt4 gui wrt some fundamental ui elements. |
| 01:15.41 | djszapi | including components. |
| 01:15.46 | ieatlint | it does offer huge performance boosts, but only because qtquick1 renders everything to a pixmap to paint |
| 01:16.00 | djszapi | I know what it does really :) |
| 01:16.03 | djszapi | worked with both ;-) |
| 01:19.26 | djszapi | Wasn't there a led indicator for numbers previously in qml ? |
| 01:19.29 | djszapi | I do not find such a thing anymore. |
| 01:19.53 | djszapi | it was this 7 segment display stuff. |
| 01:20.18 | ieatlint | there was a qt widget for that as i recall, but not seen a qml component that did it |
| 01:20.58 | djszapi | I was even wondering in qml why the hell they put that in, but I would apparently need that right now. |
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| 01:27.35 | djszapi | mmm, I do not find it in qt4 gui either. |
| 01:29.52 | ieatlint | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/qlcdnumber.html |
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| 05:29.00 | ieatlint | is there anyone familiar with the list of audio input devices on the n9/50 who can tell me which one will give me the most raw audio input from the headphone jack |
| 05:29.20 | ieatlint | i see a source.hw0 and source.hw1.. am guessing one of them |
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| 05:37.34 | SpeedEvil | aren't those fake hardware from pulse? |
| 05:38.05 | ieatlint | yes |
| 05:38.32 | ieatlint | if you ask for a list of input devices, it gives you 13 |
| 05:38.53 | ieatlint | and uh, i've confirmed source.hw0 and source.hw1 were not what i wanted (as memory serves, source.hw0 is what i used on the n900 for this) |
| 05:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 05:41.46 | ieatlint | morning |
| 05:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | PA and policies been fsckdup by design since somebody sketched the idea to a toiletpapaer |
| 05:43.13 | ieatlint | i'm with you on that :( |
| 05:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | plus in HARM the whole crap is aegis-protected as javispedro found out |
| 05:43.41 | ieatlint | on the n900, i actually had abandon qaudioinput and use the c PA calls to get the data |
| 05:43.48 | ieatlint | was hoping that wouldn't be the base here |
| 05:44.16 | ieatlint | bleh, case |
| 05:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | dase ;-) |
| 05:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | ease \o/ |
| 05:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 05:48.32 | djszapi | Hi, could someone test my package for installation ? |
| 05:48.53 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone figured out exactly how the region lockout on joikuspot is implemented |
| 05:49.41 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like /something/ checks whether you're in the US and turns adhoc networking off through sysfs |
| 05:50.10 | ieatlint | that is what happens, but i've no clue what does it |
| 05:50.16 | itsnotabigtruck | there's an upstart script that turns it back on, but it doesn't seem to be a 100% elegant or effective solution |
| 05:50.23 | itsnotabigtruck | seems like it would be better to kill it at the source, if possible |
| 05:51.04 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: yeah :( |
| 05:51.54 | itsnotabigtruck | well, at least supposedly it was to meet fcc radiation limits, not as a result of carrier lobbying |
| 05:52.23 | ieatlint | somehow that sounds bs |
| 05:52.33 | ieatlint | it wasn't carrier lobbying though.. no carrier took the phone |
| 05:52.50 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: true but that didn't stop them from blocking credit card payments on ovi store too :p |
| 05:53.01 | itsnotabigtruck | but that's on all phones with ovi store, not on n9 in particular |
| 05:53.03 | djszapi | ieatlint: thanks for the qlcdnumber url. |
| 05:53.27 | ieatlint | djszapi: sure... i imagine creating a qml element wouldn't be too hard for it either |
| 05:53.32 | itsnotabigtruck | when are these companies going to learn that limiting the ways people can give you money is never a good idea |
| 05:54.41 | ieatlint | wait, you can't use a cc on the ovi store in the US? |
| 05:54.44 | ieatlint | i've never tried... |
| 05:54.52 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: on at&t, specifically |
| 05:54.58 | itsnotabigtruck | no idea about t-mobile us |
| 05:55.16 | itsnotabigtruck | if you put a credit card on your ovi account and try to pay with it, it's greyed out |
| 05:55.47 | itsnotabigtruck | only "operator billing" is offered, which isn't desirable because i'm not paying that bill |
| 05:55.56 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 05:55.59 | ieatlint | i've never tried |
| 05:56.04 | ieatlint | and i'd just do operator billing, heh |
| 05:56.16 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 06:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | fsckdup policies all over the place |
| 06:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | antivendor port is it for Nokia |
| 06:01.08 | Sazpaimon_ | so, "off the record", how much are N950s going for right now |
| 06:01.19 | Sazpaimon_ | im thinking somehwere in the low 1000 range |
| 06:01.26 | Sazpaimon_ | *$1000 |
| 06:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | I actually can't recall a previous instance where community been so thoroughly bent over by a company |
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| 06:02.32 | Sazpaimon_ | [00:54] <itsnotabigtruck> no idea about t-mobile us |
| 06:02.39 | Sazpaimon_ | on tmobile US carrier billing isnt available for me |
| 06:02.41 | Sazpaimon_ | iirc |
| 06:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | and even worse: the community says "thank you Nokia, ohWHY don't you continue to sell new devices with that assrape OS?" |
| 06:04.47 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah when I try to select carrier billing it says "phone billing service is temporarily unavailable" |
| 06:05.01 | Sazpaimon_ | something about access point settings |
| 06:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | "go for meego, we'll do it right from beginning this time, no more closed blobs" anybody?? |
| 06:05.48 | Sazpaimon_ | no closed blobs is a pipe dream for many people |
| 06:05.54 | Sazpaimon_ | especially with driver support |
| 06:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 06:06.05 | Sazpaimon_ | nokia did push a lot of companies to open source their drivers though |
| 06:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | pffffffffffff |
| 06:06.20 | Sazpaimon_ | you have to give them that |
| 06:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | bend over, dude |
| 06:06.50 | Sazpaimon_ | im not supporting nokia as a whole |
| 06:06.58 | Sazpaimon_ | a lot of their practices are shady and disrespectful |
| 06:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | maemo community worked for a FOSS OS for YEARS, and now we got... HARM! |
| 06:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | you definitely won't hear me say thank you Nokia for ANYTHING related to this |
| 06:08.03 | djszapi | just like in every company, really :) |
| 06:08.14 | Sazpaimon_ | but he's right though |
| 06:08.18 | Sazpaimon_ | maemo was supposed to be different |
| 06:08.22 | Sazpaimon_ | it was supposed to be open |
| 06:08.28 | Sazpaimon_ | it was supposed to be community driven |
| 06:08.51 | djszapi | I do not think so. |
| 06:09.14 | djszapi | otherwise there would have not been a maemo reconstructed back then to build a community based open stuff. |
| 06:09.20 | ieatlint | blah, ok, source.hw0 is what i want :) |
| 06:09.34 | Sazpaimon_ | with diablo and, to a lesser extent, fremantle, the level of collaboration between the maemo comminity directly with nokia was unseen in the industry before |
| 06:09.36 | ieatlint | it was just fucking up my shit because the first few ms of audio from it are bad |
| 06:09.47 | Sazpaimon_ | *community |
| 06:11.07 | Sazpaimon_ | and no, maemo wasnt ever going to be fully, 100% open unfortunately |
| 06:11.15 | Sazpaimon_ | nokia likes to have some things to call their own |
| 06:11.22 | Sazpaimon_ | as does any company, I suppose |
| 06:11.35 | djszapi | yes, exactly. |
| 06:11.58 | Sazpaimon_ | but they were somewhat liberal when it came to open sourcing some closed components |
| 06:12.07 | djszapi | even meego was not fully open. |
| 06:12.14 | Sazpaimon_ | with the exception of the phone stack I suppose |
| 06:12.26 | djszapi | we open sourced many components in Harmattan though. |
| 06:12.42 | djszapi | Had to open such requests quite a few times. |
| 06:13.02 | itsnotabigtruck | is wl1271-cal open source? |
| 06:13.05 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah thankfully that policy hasn't changed a whole lot |
| 06:15.14 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like the answer is no |
| 06:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: basically the elementary bits of what you got on phone stack in APE land were (and are) open |
| 06:16.28 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: also, the important difference between maemo alternatives....we had to stop things one year, if you recall. That was not the case for Fremantle which makes the whole story a lot distinct. |
| 06:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | ISI specs are available |
| 06:16.38 | djszapi | ago* |
| 06:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | on maemo it's always been like "the apps are ours, the system is FOSS" with a few debatable cases of e.g. ICD which you could argue is system and no need to keep it closed |
| 06:18.48 | ieatlint | so yes, if anyone is ever getting garbage on an audio read due, don't use the default source.record, use source.hw0 device |
| 06:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | on HARM you got all this aegis philosophy which basically means "the device is yours, but we controll each and every aspect of the system" |
| 06:19.27 | djszapi | ieatlint: even the highest level qt mobility stuff does not work |
| 06:19.31 | djszapi | none of them, actually. |
| 06:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | all other aspects of HARM are just following this general policy |
| 06:19.49 | Sazpaimon_ | i thought aegis was originally proposed as a way to stop piracy or something |
| 06:19.55 | Sazpaimon_ | yet i dont see how |
| 06:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 06:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | that's what some fools still try to make you believe |
| 06:20.16 | Sazpaimon_ | you can capture the debs in the store |
| 06:20.19 | Sazpaimon_ | and then upload it |
| 06:20.20 | djszapi | ahh the same flamework starting topic again, getting annoyin' :) |
| 06:20.30 | djszapi | flamewar* |
| 06:20.33 | ieatlint | djszapi: i'm aware, but this specifically isn't a qtmobility problem |
| 06:20.53 | ieatlint | djszapi: this is an issue where audio filters are use on audio input because it works better for voice |
| 06:20.55 | djszapi | ieatlint: I did not intend to say that. Was just adding an information to the whole audio stack situation. |
| 06:20.59 | ieatlint | and these filters fuck me |
| 06:21.10 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah im of the opinion that aegis solves a problem that wasnt really there |
| 06:21.16 | ieatlint | well, it uses PA, of course the audio stack is fucked :P |
| 06:21.25 | Sazpaimon_ | i dont know of anyone pirating apps on maemo |
| 06:21.29 | Sazpaimon_ | though i never really looked |
| 06:21.37 | Sazpaimon_ | because i dont know of many people SELLING apps on maemo |
| 06:21.38 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: there are. |
| 06:21.54 | ieatlint | there was a mapping app i know that got pirated by people |
| 06:21.59 | *** join/#harmattan antman8969 (~antman896@cpe-24-31-146-122.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 06:22.00 | Sazpaimon_ | i stopped looking for binpda apps when i stopped using symbian |
| 06:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | aegis been designed as the gun to shoot down FOSS community, and it serves quite good for that purpose |
| 06:22.13 | Sazpaimon_ | because symbian developers think its okay to charge $50 for programs |
| 06:22.14 | djszapi | and many not conciously malicious stuff. |
| 06:22.36 | itsnotabigtruck | heh, it's not just the US that joikuspot is verboten in |
| 06:22.40 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a rather lengthy list |
| 06:22.42 | ieatlint | Sazpaimon_: i actually think wp7 is the worst platform for the "pay for it" mentality |
| 06:22.46 | Sazpaimon_ | maybe not $50, but symbian commercial apps are far too expensive |
| 06:22.52 | djszapi | and this is "I do not see malicious apps, but 2 seconds to do, so do not bother with defending" is windows policy'ish. |
| 06:23.00 | Sazpaimon_ | especially the "enterprise" apps |
| 06:23.19 | Sazpaimon_ | like tsmobiles/rdmplus |
| 06:23.20 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.rdmplus.com/tsm/ |
| 06:23.26 | Sazpaimon_ | $40 for a mobile program |
| 06:23.29 | Sazpaimon_ | $40! |
| 06:23.33 | Sazpaimon_ | and fo |
| 06:23.36 | djszapi | because malicious apps are born after realizing the holes ! |
| 06:23.43 | Sazpaimon_ | and the version they advertise for symbian is written in java |
| 06:23.46 | Sazpaimon_ | java! |
| 06:23.49 | djszapi | they are not born before creating a security framework. |
| 06:24.01 | djszapi | and that is a huge difference. |
| 06:24.26 | Sazpaimon_ | it doesnt do more than 256 colors, has terrible lag, oh my god was it bad |
| 06:24.31 | Sazpaimon_ | and they expected people to pay $40 for it |
| 06:25.12 | itsnotabigtruck | never mind, the list isn't lengthy at all |
| 06:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | what the F..., I got route66 on winmoob6, it's also written in Java, it costs more than gold, and of course it's dongled to the IMEI and DOES NOT NEED friggin aegis for anti-piracy |
| 06:25.18 | itsnotabigtruck | US (United States), GU (Guam) |
| 06:25.43 | itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't aware guam even had its own iso alpha-2 code |
| 06:25.52 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: for chilling out: could you please try to install my debian package ? |
| 06:25.57 | djszapi | just for testing. |
| 06:26.03 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, does it need open kernel? |
| 06:26.09 | djszapi | nope. |
| 06:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | however, there's another list of countries where something else is verboten |
| 06:26.17 | Sazpaimon_ | what is it, by chance |
| 06:26.52 | jonni | aegis is not meant for anti piracy, mostly for binary integrity :) |
| 06:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | but on HARM, thanks to aegis BS you can't even *develop* FOSS alternatives to yoghurt sport that suck less and maybe work in USA |
| 06:27.45 | djszapi | jonni: that is not a correct statement, if you have ever read the first few lines of our mission statement. |
| 06:27.54 | djszapi | (which is generally the beginning of the documentation) |
| 06:28.11 | jonni | well after drm was dropped, the use case changed :) |
| 06:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | over at #maemo yesterday a brave dude announced he's going to try and port maemo to moto now, thanks to Nokia not selling any more decent devices with hw kbd and a *real* OS |
| 06:28.33 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: just my self-contained application, but my phone is not clean enough for testing. Wondering whether there are some missing imported dynamic libraries, still. |
| 06:29.04 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, I can give it a try i suppose |
| 06:29.09 | djszapi | sadly, the drm was dropped. |
| 06:29.34 | djszapi | but the mission was drm-agnostic anyway |
| 06:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | he said MAEMO not meego HARM - guess why! |
| 06:29.43 | djszapi | the drm was just an implementation detail. |
| 06:29.45 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, i'd like to see how he would behin to do that, though |
| 06:29.49 | Sazpaimon_ | *begin |
| 06:30.00 | djszapi | SazPaimon_: http://files.kde.org/maemo/kanagram_27012012-1_armel.deb |
| 06:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | here's the problem? |
| 06:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps ported maemo to pandaboard or sth |
| 06:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | Where's...* |
| 06:31.18 | Sazpaimon_ | is he going to keep the same old stack though? |
| 06:31.20 | Sazpaimon_ | old-ass gcc |
| 06:31.22 | Sazpaimon_ | old-ass kernel |
| 06:31.26 | Sazpaimon_ | old-ass everything |
| 06:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need some driver ports, you'll need to rip off some blobs that might still be compatible |
| 06:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: go with your shiny new clothes ;-D |
| 06:32.01 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, stskeeps had the source for most of the closed blobs iirc |
| 06:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 06:32.26 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: and please try to run this after the installation: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kanagram/lib /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -s /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan |
| 06:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: I've seen more anti-vendor ports than you it seems, and I guess I can estimate the feasibility |
| 06:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | it's not just a walk in the park, but it will definitely be possible to get something working |
| 06:33.59 | Sazpaimon_ | i would really rather see a concious effort to do *something* about the old core libraries on maemo 5 |
| 06:34.04 | Sazpaimon_ | but i dont see that as feasable |
| 06:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | and I give a flying F about version number of gcc |
| 06:34.14 | djszapi | it should report if I still miss some planned libraries for importing in /usr/kanagram/lib/ |
| 06:34.43 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, well, maemo 5 gcc cannot compile any c++0x application |
| 06:34.50 | Sazpaimon_ | since gcc 4.2 does not support it |
| 06:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
| 06:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | I don't even know wtf that is |
| 06:35.14 | Sazpaimon_ | its the latest c++ standard adopted in 2010 |
| 06:35.20 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 06:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | farts |
| 06:35.33 | djszapi | that is a very important thing today, though. |
| 06:35.34 | mece | DocScrutinizer, is there a discussion thread regarding this port somewhere? |
| 06:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | mece: not afaik |
| 06:35.46 | Sazpaimon_ | in fact i dont even think php can compile well on gcc 4.2 |
| 06:35.57 | Sazpaimon_ | i tried it once, it failed miserably |
| 06:36.14 | djszapi | why not port mer in the first place if community and openness are the main points ? |
| 06:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | who cares? |
| 06:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | I see all those great apps written in php, on N9 |
| 06:36.47 | mece | djszapi, what's what I was thinking. |
| 06:36.59 | Sazpaimon_ | im not talking about the N9 |
| 06:37.10 | mece | mer/nemo/cordia etc. |
| 06:37.16 | *** join/#harmattan admiral0 (~admiral0@adsl-ull-163-129.48-151.net24.it) |
| 06:37.16 | Sazpaimon_ | im talking about putting maemo 5 in this decate |
| 06:37.20 | Sazpaimon_ | *decade |
| 06:37.30 | itsnotabigtruck | CA, CO, DO, GD, GT, GU, MX, PA, PR, TW, US, UZ, 00 < what do these countries have in common |
| 06:37.43 | mece | are those countries? |
| 06:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: if you want to do that, go ahead. If you don't, stop ranting |
| 06:37.53 | Sazpaimon_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kanagram/lib /usr/bin/invoker --type=e -s /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan |
| 06:38.04 | itsnotabigtruck | mece: yeah |
| 06:38.05 | Sazpaimon_ | /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: libdbusmenu-qt.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file |
| 06:38.32 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, I actually have a scratchbox toolchain with gcc 4.4 compiled for maemo 5's softfp and other optimizations |
| 06:38.41 | Sazpaimon_ | I built lightspark with it |
| 06:38.44 | mece | itsnotabigtruck, uh. I don't know what half of them are.. |
| 06:39.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that's canada, colombia, dominican republic, grenada, guatemala, mexico, panama, puerto rico, taiwan, united states, uzbekistan, (unknown) |
| 06:39.12 | mece | :) |
| 06:39.16 | Sazpaimon_ | I could, theoretically, rebuild every open-source program for that new ABI |
| 06:39.20 | admiral0 | good mornining |
| 06:39.31 | itsnotabigtruck | so the obvious thing those have in common is that almost all are in the western hemisphere |
| 06:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I see, now you're afraid this guy will succeed in porting maemo to moto hw, and everybody but you will abandon ship |
| 06:39.36 | Sazpaimon_ | then mess with ld paths for programs i cannot recompile |
| 06:39.36 | itsnotabigtruck | but then you have uzbekistan and taiwan |
| 06:39.37 | admiral0 | s/nini/ni/ |
| 06:40.07 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi |
| 06:40.10 | Sazpaimon_ | /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: libdbusmenu-qt.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file |
| 06:40.37 | mece | itsnotabigtruck, they all have better weather than Finland |
| 06:41.16 | djszapi | mece: good thinking :P |
| 06:41.28 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: thanks, will fix in no time, and send thenew package. |
| 06:41.34 | itsnotabigtruck | mece: lol |
| 06:41.37 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, i could just install libdbusmenu-qt2 from debian |
| 06:41.51 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: that is not the point of a self-contained package in OVI. |
| 06:41.58 | Sazpaimon_ | oh yes |
| 06:42.08 | Sazpaimon_ | I think, more than anything, what I want in maemo 5 is hardfp |
| 06:42.32 | Sazpaimon_ | especially now that all ARM is in that direction |
| 06:42.33 | mece | djszapi, I think, if you count whole countries (as opposed to autonomous regions), and the "best weather spot" in that country, then all other countries have better weather than Finland :) |
| 06:42.42 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, so the logic is that wl1271-cal (which controls wifi regulatory settings) checks the current country from the cellular services daemon |
| 06:43.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and for US/GU it shuts off adhoc, and that means no hotspot for you! |
| 06:43.20 | itsnotabigtruck | and for that long list of countries i mentioned above there's some other logic that i can't figure out |
| 06:43.28 | mece | hm perhaps iceland,. |
| 06:44.03 | Sazpaimon_ | it baffles me that the program even shows in those countries |
| 06:44.25 | djszapi | mece: I was referring to the mer/nemo thingie., |
| 06:44.36 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess dynamically removing an icon would have been too much work for a country that it wasnt being shipped to |
| 06:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: (hardfp) uhuh, so what you hope to gain with that? |
| 06:45.59 | Sazpaimon_ | better compatability with debian binaries in the future |
| 06:46.07 | Sazpaimon_ | since theyre moving to hardfp |
| 06:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | as it'S just the register vs stack format you pass the vars to lib, while even softfp is using math coproc if available |
| 06:46.39 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: but you lose a *lot* of performance shifting stuff in and out of vfp |
| 06:46.50 | itsnotabigtruck | er, i guess the n9 has vfp-lite or something |
| 06:46.54 | Sazpaimon_ | its simply a personal choice for me, bit i see a performance benefit |
| 06:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | and since it's a compiler option anyway, I fail to see the "OMG it's hardfp now" hype |
| 06:47.44 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.57 | Sazpaimon_ | of course debian went and gave a different name for their hardfp port (armhf) |
| 06:48.11 | Sazpaimon_ | meaning that you need to --force-architecture all packages to maemo |
| 06:48.22 | Sazpaimon_ | which still uses armel, even on harmattan, which is hardfp |
| 06:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: any hard numbers on performance boost? freemangodon and I ran some tests which didn't show *any* difference |
| 06:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: no idea about that cal crap |
| 06:49.48 | Sazpaimon_ | also, re: porting maemo 5 to another device |
| 06:49.57 | Sazpaimon_ | I would throw money at it if a POC could be done |
| 06:50.24 | Sazpaimon_ | like, on an actual current device |
| 06:50.28 | Sazpaimon_ | not a beagleboard or something |
| 06:50.54 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: could you please install from the same link and run again ? |
| 06:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | [2012-01-29 21:01:50] <Ikarus> I plan on giving it a shot this summer, porting Maemo (actual Maemo, Harmattan, etc are MEH to me) to another phone out of desperation, my N900 died, they can't get me a replacement and used ones are also pretty EOL.... and erm, tried other phones the last few months and the combination of Maemo + landscape hardware keyboard is hard to beat (sorry N9) |
| 06:51.55 | Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah I have a backlog too :P |
| 06:52.03 | Sazpaimon_ | if I see him again i'll be sure to relay the same message to him |
| 06:52.26 | Sazpaimon_ | show me the proof of concept, and I'll ask where do i throw my money at |
| 06:52.45 | Sazpaimon_ | because i think such determination should be rewarded |
| 06:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | take your money and eat it, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything |
| 06:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to join or stay away |
| 06:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | we don't care |
| 06:53.31 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, you'd only get a difference if you do loads of function calls with floating point arguments |
| 06:53.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that then do math with those fp arguments |
| 06:53.45 | itsnotabigtruck | and those function calls aren't inlined |
| 06:53.51 | Sazpaimon_ | /opt/kanagram/bin/kanagram-harmattan: error while loading shared libraries: libstreams.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or d |
| 06:53.57 | itsnotabigtruck | so big performance boost on math heavy things, like certain game code maybe |
| 06:54.02 | itsnotabigtruck | for general code, yeah, not so much |
| 06:54.04 | Sazpaimon_ | @djszapi |
| 06:54.33 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, harmattan has libstreams0 it seems |
| 06:54.38 | Sazpaimon_ | should I go for it |
| 06:56.00 | itsnotabigtruck | neutering the calibration daemon would be easy if it weren't for aegis |
| 06:56.05 | Sazpaimon_ | actually libstreams0 is in rzr |
| 06:56.08 | Sazpaimon_ | so nevermind |
| 06:56.11 | djszapi | no, you should not |
| 06:56.16 | djszapi | no no, please do not install stuff |
| 06:56.17 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess that's what they were talking about in that powerpoint about using aegis to force RF regulatory compliance :p |
| 06:56.20 | djszapi | it should work with stock kernel |
| 06:56.26 | djszapi | and flash |
| 06:56.31 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah i figured |
| 06:56.33 | djszapi | and strigi is not any close to stock mode |
| 06:56.36 | jonni | just use open kernel if aegis bothers that much |
| 06:56.48 | djszapi | +1 |
| 06:56.55 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: i'm holding off 'til 1.2 comes out to minimize the pita of the switch |
| 06:57.04 | jonni | as you get 99% functionalty and aegis is not limiting you afterwards |
| 06:57.16 | Sazpaimon_ | so basically, the answer to aegis is |
| 06:57.22 | Sazpaimon_ | puts on sunglasses |
| 06:57.23 | jonni | ah yes, might be wise to wait |
| 06:57.24 | Sazpaimon_ | deal with it |
| 06:57.37 | itsnotabigtruck | also there'll probably be some kinks worked out by then, and i'd like to haxxor the kernel beyond just neutering aegis |
| 06:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: it's not the open kernel vs aegis that bothers, it's the fact that the whole system got fsckd up to comply with aegis, and you had to revert all that crap to get a sane system even on openmode |
| 06:58.08 | jonni | actually I would still use aegis even on openmode |
| 06:58.20 | itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that...any idea if the n9's wlan chip can do packet injection |
| 06:58.23 | itsnotabigtruck | and monitoring |
| 06:58.28 | jonni | openmode just gives me the option to install anything as com.nokia.maemo into the aegis |
| 06:58.31 | Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, no |
| 06:58.34 | *** join/#harmattan ArkanoiD_ (~ark@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru) |
| 06:58.37 | Sazpaimon_ | the firmware for it doesnt support injection |
| 06:58.47 | Sazpaimon_ | it supports AP mode though, isntead of just adhoc |
| 06:58.49 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: :( there goes that idea |
| 06:58.54 | Sazpaimon_ | not sure why joikuspot does adhoc though |
| 06:59.25 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: so in reality you dont have to revert anything on openmode |
| 06:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | beause yoghurt sport been invented by morons for sybian, and just been ported to other platforms then, regardless of whether the approach matches the new OS or not |
| 07:00.07 | jonni | (ohwell not exactly true, since in openmode you dont have write access to cal) |
| 07:00.25 | Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, maybe some day the firmware can do it |
| 07:00.51 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: re-try :) |
| 07:01.55 | Sazpaimon_ | itsnotabigtruck, just to be sure, whats the chip in the N9 again? |
| 07:02.06 | Sazpaimon_ | maybe some patches have come forth, but i dont think so |
| 07:02.17 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon_: i'd guess it's a wl1271? :p |
| 07:02.42 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.ti.com/product/wl1271-tiwi&DCMP=wtbu_connectivity&HQS=Other+OT+wl1271-tiwi probably that |
| 07:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 07:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | 51 on one, 53 on the other |
| 07:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | err 71, 73 |
| 07:04.02 | *** join/#harmattan coffetime (~user@c-69-181-71-2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:05.32 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.02 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.42 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, its working now |
| 07:09.49 | Sazpaimon_ | saw some messages like |
| 07:09.49 | Sazpaimon_ | RemoteThemeDaemonClient: Failed to connect to theme server (that's OK if you're on a PC) |
| 07:09.56 | Sazpaimon_ | but otherwise ok |
| 07:10.14 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: do you have sound if you click on next ? |
| 07:10.24 | Sazpaimon_ | no |
| 07:10.34 | djszapi | okay, so SoundEffect does not work for you either. |
| 07:10.49 | Sazpaimon_ | i assume next is the third icon |
| 07:10.49 | djszapi | (you are not the only one) |
| 07:10.50 | Sazpaimon_ | right? |
| 07:10.57 | djszapi | correct |
| 07:11.33 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: how did you launch the application, as root or as user ? Does it work from the applauncher screen? |
| 07:11.38 | Sazpaimon_ | root user |
| 07:11.57 | Sazpaimon_ | launches from the applauncher fine |
| 07:12.02 | Sazpaimon_ | still no sound |
| 07:12.17 | Sazpaimon_ | its also quite pointless in portrait mode |
| 07:12.20 | djszapi | could you please try "user" or "developer" from command line ? |
| 07:12.20 | Sazpaimon_ | most of the words are too wide |
| 07:12.30 | djszapi | yes, it will be orientation locked later. |
| 07:12.49 | Sazpaimon_ | done |
| 07:12.53 | Sazpaimon_ | still no sound |
| 07:13.22 | djszapi | you are also the victim of the creepy audio stack on Harmattan :P |
| 07:13.34 | Sazpaimon_ | also your hint for blueberries is terrible |
| 07:13.43 | Sazpaimon_ | "sweet edible dark-blue berries" |
| 07:13.47 | Sazpaimon_ | gee i wonder |
| 07:14.18 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: the database is not mine, but common in KDE Edu. |
| 07:14.29 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah i figured |
| 07:14.35 | djszapi | feel free to patch the database, and send the proposal to the mailing list. :) |
| 07:14.48 | djszapi | I just cook with the existing ingradients. |
| 07:15.03 | Sazpaimon_ | do you want a pastebin of the stderr/out? |
| 07:15.27 | djszapi | you can give, but I guess nothing special ? |
| 07:15.36 | Sazpaimon_ | there's an x error |
| 07:15.43 | Sazpaimon_ | http://pastebin.com/LkjNPcQ6 |
| 07:15.53 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: here is the url to the data: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/libkdeedu/repository/revisions/master/show/data/kvtml |
| 07:16.33 | Sazpaimon_ | there's also |
| 07:16.34 | Sazpaimon_ | qrc:/MainSettingsPage.qml:140:17: QML Switch: Binding loop detected for property "checked" |
| 07:16.35 | djszapi | I have no clue what that X error means. |
| 07:16.38 | Sazpaimon_ | when i touch settings |
| 07:17.26 | djszapi | yes, but I do not understand why. |
| 07:17.54 | Sazpaimon_ | this game is hard |
| 07:17.55 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/196106/ -> it does have loop, but not in a bad mood imo. |
| 07:17.59 | Sazpaimon_ | i hate anagrams |
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| 07:18.11 | djszapi | ha ha :D |
| 07:18.26 | djszapi | I will be doing a khangman for Harmattan, too :D |
| 07:18.41 | djszapi | should be fairly simple after this kanagram port. |
| 07:18.48 | Sazpaimon_ | why do kde devs fel possesed to prefix everything with k |
| 07:18.54 | Sazpaimon_ | *feel |
| 07:19.01 | djszapi | they do not |
| 07:19.08 | Sazpaimon_ | same with qml devs calling their programs "cute___" |
| 07:19.17 | wmarone_ | same reason so many gtk/gnome apps start with "g" |
| 07:19.33 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: you live in the past :P |
| 07:19.45 | djszapi | thing is that it was nice back then, but nobody chooses such names since kde4 anyway |
| 07:19.46 | Sazpaimon_ | djszapi, maybe, I havent used kde since 2006 |
| 07:20.17 | djszapi | people prefer abbreviations nowadays |
| 07:20.48 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: so do you see anything wrong with that loop, by the way ? The property is exposed from C++ with Q_PROPERTY. |
| 07:20.59 | djszapi | I do consider that as a valid loop logic, and not mistake. |
| 07:21.16 | Sazpaimon_ | I dont know much about qml, to be perfectly honest |
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| 07:21.41 | Sazpaimon_ | i suppose it seems, okay |
| 07:21.59 | Sazpaimon_ | but i can see where a loop may be considered |
| 07:22.01 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: anyway, the heftiest bit is the audio. You are the zillionth victim it is not working for. :/ |
| 07:22.26 | Sazpaimon_ | i doubt an strace will help |
| 07:22.28 | Sazpaimon_ | will it |
| 07:23.29 | djszapi | Sazpaimon_: SoundEffect does not even try to play anything for play. |
| 07:23.55 | djszapi | I have never really used strace too much myself. I am not criticizing the tool, but I do not find it useful for my purposes. |
| 07:24.32 | djszapi | and I do not even know how to read it properly, but if you are an expert you can take a look at it. |
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| 07:26.38 | Sazpaimon_ | i cant find anything that stands out |
| 07:27.21 | djszapi | I should kick the mobility guys in the ass :P It has been a known issue for 1-2 years, and they did nothing in this regard :/ |
| 07:28.05 | djszapi | on the other hand, they theoritically support wav for soundeffect which is well ... uncool =) |
| 07:29.18 | djszapiN950 | only* |
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| 07:33.33 | Sazpaimon_ | anyway djszapi, I need to sleep, so if you can't find another guinea pig let me know tomorrow |
| 07:36.27 | djszapiN950 | 10x for your help and sleep well :) |
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| 07:46.01 | itsnotabigtruck | w00t |
| 07:46.10 | itsnotabigtruck | found the elegant solution to the joikuspot lockout |
| 07:46.24 | itsnotabigtruck | but i have to get up at 7am or so, and it's 2am :( |
| 07:51.41 | itsnotabigtruck | i bet that little ovi store billing problem could be fixed similarly, though i'm not sure if i feel like giving nokia any money through their store anymore :p |
| 07:52.06 | djszapiN950 | so have plenty of time for hacking :) |
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| 08:14.03 | Milhouse | anyone else getting "Rate limit exceeded" messages in their PR1.2beta syslog? |
| 08:15.57 | Milhouse | These are twitter messages exceeded the hourly limit |
| 08:16.04 | Milhouse | s/messages/requests/ |
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| 08:52.19 | djszapiN950 | jonni could you please try my skeleton soundeffecttest package to me, please ? |
| 08:52.40 | jonni | sure, url? |
| 08:52.42 | djszapiN950 | I have just created one on the metro |
| 08:53.17 | djszapiN950 | i am in the office in 5 mins, still in the subway :) |
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| 08:59.17 | djszapi | some a file sharing site url by off hand ? |
| 08:59.33 | djszapi | someone* |
| 09:03.58 | phako | https://filetea.me/ |
| 09:04.02 | phako | no upload |
| 09:05.48 | djszapi | jonni: https://filetea.me/default/#t1s0f671 |
| 09:09.15 | jonni | do you have sources somewhere? |
| 09:09.40 | djszapi | yes |
| 09:09.50 | djszapi | so it does not play for you either ? |
| 09:09.57 | djszapi | https://filetea.me/t1s16f74 |
| 09:10.41 | jonni | that example seems to be quit, thats why I aske te sourcs :) |
| 09:10.49 | jonni | quiet even |
| 09:11.12 | djszapi | Welcome to the club, jonni ;-) |
| 09:11.26 | jonni | lets see if I can find the reason or give working example :) |
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| 09:11.45 | djszapi | feel free to experiment with my skeleton stuff |
| 09:11.57 | djszapi | it is cmake based, but you do not need to touch the build system for modifying the qml. |
| 09:15.27 | djszapi | with changing to Audio -> it crashes. |
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| 09:36.46 | djszapi | jonni: crash for you as well if you replace the SoundEffect component with Audio. |
| 09:37.05 | djszapi | jonni: also, could you please give an url to a wav which worked for you ? |
| 09:37.07 | djszapi | I can try here.. |
| 09:40.38 | jonni | just tested and it works if I replace the chalk.wav with my own wav |
| 09:41.10 | djszapi | right, I think it is worth opening an internal bugreport |
| 09:41.33 | djszapi | I created the wav file out of the existing ogg (shame, I know, it does not support ogg yet) by using ffmpeg. |
| 09:44.15 | jonni | https://filetea.me/default/#t1se6bb6 |
| 09:44.46 | djszapi | so we would need to figure out how to convert my ogg files into wav to get it work ... |
| 09:45.14 | djszapi | I am currently unsure for which thingie it is that "picky". |
| 09:45.51 | djszapi | is there an executable for reading out of the metadata of the file, like bitrate and so on ? |
| 09:46.03 | djszapi | we could check out the working one, and make the conversion accordingly. |
| 09:51.39 | djszapi | phako: thanks for the file sharing link, btw :) |
| 09:51.48 | phako | djszapi: welcome |
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| 09:57.33 | djszapi | jonni: sent the link on the internal irc |
| 10:01.44 | jonni | djszapi: btw Audio element is able to play mp3 and off, but there is one catch :) |
| 10:01.50 | jonni | off=ogg |
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| 10:02.13 | djszapi | yes, of course it is able, whereas that is behind the point. |
| 10:02.44 | jonni | djszapi: Audio element is a wrapper around QSound, but QSound does not support qrc, if you put your audio outside qrc it works |
| 10:03.02 | djszapi | jonni: not really |
| 10:03.15 | djszapi | Audio is a high level interface for QMediaPlayer |
| 10:03.20 | djszapi | and fwiw, QSound is gone in qt5 |
| 10:04.00 | jonni | atleast I just tested mp3 Audio element on N9 it worked just fine. |
| 10:04.08 | djszapi | I tested the ogg |
| 10:04.28 | djszapi | but I am unsure how much that helps for the debugging the real issue. |
| 10:04.40 | djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2011-November/000573.html |
| 10:06.04 | alterego | Light { states: {name:'on';when:environment.dark} } |
| 10:06.09 | djszapi | jonni: heh your wav file does not work either. |
| 10:06.22 | djszapi | (it makes me crash :P) |
| 10:06.23 | jonni | just tested with ogg too, and it works |
| 10:06.54 | djszapi | jonni: try this one out: http://paste.kde.org/196166/ |
| 10:07.07 | djszapi | nicely crashes here. |
| 10:11.08 | jonni | same source works for me |
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| 10:13.48 | djszapi | abort "crash": http://paste.kde.org/196172/ |
| 10:17.40 | jonni | djszapi: heh actually now even chalk.wav works, my default audio level was just so low that I didnt hear it first |
| 10:17.50 | jonni | when I increased the volume it works just fine |
| 10:19.06 | djszapi | jonni: does not still work for me. |
| 10:19.11 | jonni | maybe its then sb vs qt sdk rootstrap issue? or do you have pr1.0 sb? |
| 10:19.45 | djszapi | how could it be sb issue, if you installed my debian package and worked ? |
| 10:20.02 | djszapi | the debian format does not have a qualifier whether it was b uilt in sb, or wherever. |
| 10:20.10 | jonni | I installed my own debian package that I did with qt sdk |
| 10:20.20 | jonni | only copied your qml lines into it |
| 10:20.50 | djszapi | use my first link for the debian package pls. |
| 10:21.04 | djszapi | if you now have enough volume, it should work with that, too. |
| 10:21.10 | djszapi | sb issue :D :D haha would be fun. |
| 10:21.14 | jonni | with your debian package its still quiet |
| 10:21.26 | djszapi | you modified something then. |
| 10:21.44 | djszapi | or I have an outdated stuff |
| 10:22.19 | djszapi | no, as I said quite a few times, I do not use more targets, just one bleeding edge in scratchbox really :) |
| 10:22.53 | djszapi | and my original debian package works fine with the down count wav file. |
| 10:23.39 | djszapi | let us see what "fakeroot apt-get upgrade" holds for us. :) |
| 10:26.03 | djszapi | heh, it got stuck at the ruby installation. |
| 10:27.09 | jonni | anyways seems that wav file is playing so that bug can be closed. you just have to figure out why its not working for your env. |
| 10:27.30 | jonni | oh, let me check something still |
| 10:28.08 | jonni | my crosseyes :) |
| 10:28.18 | djszapi | no, the bug is quite valid. |
| 10:28.26 | djszapi | even the debian file is attached. |
| 10:28.52 | djszapi | and you actually even confimred the behavior with that file... |
| 10:30.11 | jonni | I had test application with Audio-element mp3/ogg/ and chalk.wav was working fine with started with .play(), with SoundEffect, chalk is not working. |
| 10:31.24 | jonni | so looks like that SoundEffect is more picky about the format and bitrates |
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| 10:31.38 | djszapi | call it buggy :D |
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| 10:33.30 | djszapi | right, even the most up-to-date stuff is broken. |
| 10:34.14 | djszapi | I will attach pulseaudio logs later. |
| 10:34.24 | Milhouse | Does anyone know of a way to change the point at which "out of space" warnings are generated? My filesystem is at 92% but I have no intention of increasing this, so would like to set the limit at 93%... maybe a gconf? |
| 10:34.43 | Milhouse | by "increasing" i mean adding much more to it |
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| 10:42.47 | djszapi | jonni: do you have any ideas how to convert the ogg files into "correct" wav files then ? |
| 10:44.04 | djszapi | jonni: try this: I get no sound at all for this: http://paste.kde.org/196184/ |
| 10:50.04 | djszapi | jonni: I added a lot of information to the bugreport. Feel free to expand that with your experience as well. |
| 10:54.05 | RST38h | yawns, prays to the Tentacled One, cackles |
| 10:57.46 | djszapi | jonni: also have you tried qt5 on Harmattan ? |
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| 11:20.28 | faenil | hey guys |
| 11:20.38 | faenil | is there any way to force a full repaint of a qml scene? |
| 11:24.31 | djszapi | jonni: I made the rules file of the skeleton package kde-free: #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 11:24.34 | djszapi | %: dh $@ |
| 11:29.26 | faenil | how can I repaint a qml element? |
| 11:30.09 | phako | djszapi: I'd add a load of ignore overrides for all the weird targets debian has |
| 11:31.27 | djszapi | phako: make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. -> someone is getting this, but not me. Weird enough. |
| 11:32.02 | phako | djszapi: http://gitorious.org/qtcontacts-tracker/contactsd/blobs/master/debian/rules#line34 |
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| 11:32.17 | phako | djszapi: hm, but that's not related to the rules file? |
| 11:32.38 | djszapi | phako: your link does not help me. |
| 11:32.46 | djszapi | it is a skeleton app for testing, will never be in production. |
| 11:32.57 | djszapi | so I would not bother with overcomplicating a skeleton test case for a bug |
| 11:33.09 | phako | djszapi: yes, I know. But still that 20 useless targets can get quite annoying if you do that often |
| 11:33.13 | djszapi | about the clean thingie... no clue, I always use the kde helper script which does everything for me. |
| 11:33.18 | phako | just a sugestion |
| 11:33.23 | phako | *suggestion |
| 11:33.30 | djszapi | I understand, but it is no use for a skeleton test package. |
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| 12:28.15 | admiral0 | maaan, N9 QuickTweak fucks up css for low power screen |
| 12:29.48 | Tuju | what |
| 12:29.58 | Tuju | 's the latest firmware for n9? |
| 12:30.16 | petteri | 1.1 |
| 12:31.29 | Tuju | my device says Meego 1.2 Harmattan, PR1.1 (20.2011.40-4_pr_001) |
| 12:31.54 | dm8tbr | yes, that's the latest. pr1.2 is not out yet |
| 12:32.02 | Tuju | ack, thanks. |
| 12:36.17 | ArkanoiD_ | wonders if there will be another pr1.2 beta for n950 |
| 12:37.25 | RST38h | why? |
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| 12:52.08 | jreznik | anybody tried N9 on RDA? how to swipe there? looks like even clicks do not work sometimes... |
| 12:52.41 | Corsac | RDA? |
| 12:52.56 | jreznik | Remote Device Access |
| 12:53.33 | jreznik | my app has been refused by QA as non working one but I can't reproduce on any of my Harmattan devices, neither my friend... |
| 12:53.51 | jreznik | and the report from QA is useles :) |
| 12:54.09 | djszapi | jreznik: hehe :) |
| 12:54.30 | jreznik | djszapi: that's life :) |
| 12:56.53 | jreznik | is it really so difficult to attach app output? something like "actual result: screen after splash is white", "expected result: screen shouldn't be black but be functional application" does not help at all :) asked for more detailed info |
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| 13:04.20 | jonni | jreznik: I have one PR1.0 device here if you have deb package to be tested |
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| 13:09.00 | jreznik | jonni: would be great, maybe it's really 1.0 problem... it was tested on 10.2011.34-1, so PR 1.0 on N9 |
| 13:09.56 | jreznik | jonni: simple app, just schedule and some info about rh dev conf :) http://rezza.hofyland.cz/mobile/rhdevconf2012/rhdevconf2012_1.0.0_armel.deb btw. everyone invited! |
| 13:10.01 | jonni | yep, ovi qa always tests with pr1.0, thats the same as I have |
| 13:10.23 | jreznik | and no PR 1.0 even on RDA... |
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| 13:13.08 | jonni | usually error comes when some pr1.1 api is used which is not present in pr1.0 |
| 13:13.45 | jreznik | yeah, I bet that's the problem, fits description |
| 13:14.15 | jonni | just downgraded pr1.1 to pr1.0, takes minute or so before I have developer mode installed again |
| 13:14.16 | jonni | ... |
| 13:18.09 | jreznik | ah maybe I know, probably extras 1.1 |
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| 13:21.08 | jonni | DetailPage.qml:3:1: module "com.nokia.extras" version 1.1 is not installed |
| 13:21.28 | jonni | you should use com.nokia.extras 1.0 |
| 13:22.55 | jreznik | jonni: thanks! I |
| 13:23.28 | jonni | then I edited 1.1 -> 1.0 by hand, then application started just fine |
| 13:24.27 | jreznik | yep, I've found that only 1.0 is available for PR 1.0 or there's possibility to state, that your app needs 1.1 |
| 13:24.30 | jreznik | but 1.0 is just fine |
| 13:34.03 | matrixx | http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-theme-graphics/commit/18c0429b7259b143758e2aa72216443b23f0d384 <-- blanco graphics with cc license, old news already? |
| 13:35.29 | matrixx | CC BY-ND 3.0 though, but good enough if modifications are not needed |
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| 14:06.02 | Jare | weird, the average idle current consumption of my n9 has gone up by 3-4x without a good reason :l |
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| 14:08.36 | jonni | just use top and see what eats cpu |
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| 14:17.51 | itsnotabigtruck | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31#c4 |
| 14:17.55 | Jare | nah, i already did try to get conclusive results using top during the weekend |
| 14:17.57 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 31 nor, Normal, ---, juhani.makela, ASSI, [cloned] In Open mode, Settings -> Security -> Certificates shows empty list (371 votes) |
| 14:18.11 | itsnotabigtruck | has nokia shown any sign of making good on their 'promise' of putting in some sort of quasi-official open mode |
| 14:18.15 | Jare | the issue might be meegotouchhome though |
| 14:18.36 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. more official than the current hack, anyway |
| 14:18.52 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: no |
| 14:18.57 | djszapi | I was shut down |
| 14:19.05 | djszapi | so was my colleague |
| 14:19.16 | itsnotabigtruck | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248 also "by design" forget that :/ |
| 14:19.21 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 248 nor, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, Cannot remove root certificates |
| 14:20.08 | Jare | aha.. https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=486 |
| 14:20.15 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 486 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, meegotouchhome and high idle consumption |
| 14:31.32 | Jare | right, rebooting didn't help, but the idle current consumption dropped back to normal readings immediately after moving an icon in the home screen |
| 14:41.12 | djszapi | jonni: weird, also my and your wav files have this stuff: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 44100 Hz |
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| 14:49.01 | djszapi | jonni: I got the sound work with my wav file !! |
| 14:49.06 | djszapi | \o/ :) |
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| 15:47.50 | uiff_ | also I want to start my app after install but nothing happens, could someone help please |
| 15:49.24 | admiral0 | uiff_: how do you start it? |
| 15:49.42 | uiff_ | start apps/callconnected |
| 15:50.08 | uiff_ | that's on my postinst file |
| 15:50.17 | admiral0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.22 | admiral0 | try that |
| 15:50.44 | uiff_ | thanks, and for the reboot start ? any advice? |
| 15:51.41 | admiral0 | you want to reboot when installing deb? |
| 15:51.55 | uiff_ | no, I mean how to auto start my app |
| 15:52.06 | uiff_ | I have my .conf file in /etc/init/apps |
| 15:52.18 | admiral0 | it will start then if conf is ok |
| 15:52.34 | uiff_ | do you have an example? |
| 15:52.46 | uiff_ | I followd the one on harmattan dev library |
| 15:52.59 | uiff_ | but not working, maybe I missed something |
| 15:53.43 | admiral0 | hmm wait |
| 15:54.24 | admiral0 | uiff_: http://wklej.org/id/678770 |
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| 15:54.47 | uiff_ | thanks |
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| 16:01.40 | uiff_ | when I install I get a message apps/callc start/running. process 2707 but when I ask the pid of callc nothing it's shown |
| 16:01.46 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/196688/ -> Hi guys, do you have any clue for such a compilation errors ? |
| 16:02.54 | admiral0 | djszapi: imo your libxml2 is borked someway |
| 16:03.22 | djszapi | admiral0: so what ? |
| 16:03.28 | djszapi | reinstall did not help, hence asking.. |
| 16:03.44 | admiral0 | it probably needs recompile |
| 16:03.51 | djszapi | ha ha |
| 16:04.32 | admiral0 | djszapi: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/137773/what-does-the-no-version-information-available-error-from-linux-dynamic-linker#156387 |
| 16:04.52 | admiral0 | first answer |
| 16:05.02 | djszapi | could you please recap the point ? |
| 16:05.26 | djszapi | and, no, the same libxml2 worked just fine this morning |
| 16:05.32 | admiral0 | ah |
| 16:05.36 | djszapi | until the re-creation of the scratchbox target. |
| 16:05.57 | admiral0 | apt-get upgrade the target? |
| 16:06.09 | djszapi | way behind that. |
| 16:06.22 | admiral0 | or try to clean your build |
| 16:06.32 | admiral0 | fuu |
| 16:06.36 | admiral0 | it's not build |
| 16:06.42 | djszapi | it is build |
| 16:06.55 | djszapi | but every dpkg-rebuildpackage -rf... does that anyway |
| 16:07.00 | admiral0 | no, but meinproc and xmllint are already binaries |
| 16:07.09 | admiral0 | ah |
| 16:07.26 | djszapi | it is a build of my package. |
| 16:07.27 | djszapi | where it fails. |
| 16:09.40 | admiral0 | just executing xmllint works? |
| 16:10.04 | djszapi | executing /precisely/ what ? |
| 16:10.29 | admiral0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.44 | admiral0 | djszapi: ? |
| 16:11.50 | djszapi | have you ever used that ? |
| 16:11.58 | djszapi | because it prints out a help message.... |
| 16:12.24 | admiral0 | ok, so the linker finds libxml |
| 16:12.37 | djszapi | I have not said that... |
| 16:12.38 | admiral0 | (yes that was intended ;) ) |
| 16:14.14 | admiral0 | i have no further ideas :\ |
| 16:14.35 | djszapi | heh, me neither :d |
| 16:15.15 | djszapi | apart from hacking out the documentation generation :P |
| 16:17.30 | admiral0 | i've got libxml2 2.7.8-0maemo4+0m6 on sbox if you wanna see if it's different |
| 16:19.06 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/196700/ -> this is interesting though. |
| 16:19.22 | admiral0 | oh |
| 16:19.29 | admiral0 | did you play with repos? |
| 16:19.58 | djszapi | define "play", but ... in that sense, yep: I had to add the community for the kde installation. |
| 16:20.06 | djszapi | and then I removed (update before and after, no worries). |
| 16:20.16 | djszapi | but I did it many times anyway. |
| 16:20.40 | admiral0 | probably you grabbed some package from there |
| 16:20.49 | djszapi | not really, no. |
| 16:20.52 | djszapi | just the kde packages |
| 16:21.33 | admiral0 | that can depend on anything in the repo :P |
| 16:22.21 | djszapi | yes, I installed the kde stack which is not available from internal repositories, if it was not clear. |
| 16:23.05 | admiral0 | so try to see version of libxml |
| 16:24.12 | uiff_ | admiral0: still doesn't start when reboot and not when I install my app, do I need to do something special in my code to make a daemon? I have no GUI, I just connected a dbus signal |
| 16:25.11 | djszapi | admiral0: why ? Any version should work. |
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| 16:55.53 | vLassi | Hi guys! Has anyone used the DocumentGalleryModel qt-mobility thingy? |
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| 16:59.47 | ajalkane | uiff_: can you manually start your app using initctl start |
| 16:59.58 | ajalkane | also does your automatically started app use GUI? |
| 17:03.40 | npm | ab: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=38921&postcount=5 |
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| 17:06.14 | ab | npm, thanks. forwarded. If I remember correctly right now there are two ways to provision time in automatic mode: using GSM-provided time and GPS-provided time |
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| 17:10.57 | MohammadAG | RST38h, ping |
| 17:11.38 | RST38h | pong? |
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| 17:12.03 | MohammadAG | RST38h, been having some thoughts about widgets for Harmattan |
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| 17:13.32 | npm | ab: and I imagie this fail is related partially to not having a SIM |
| 17:13.35 | npm | imagine |
| 17:13.53 | ab | npm, yes, most likely. |
| 17:13.57 | npm | if i had an n9 then i'd have a sim that fits :-( |
| 17:14.36 | ab | you can read timed code on gitorious to see where automatic time management is |
| 17:14.44 | npm | and the new "SIM not provisioned MM #2" message that pops up (new since PR 1.2 |
| 17:14.46 | npm | ) |
| 17:16.31 | npm | ab: thanks for forwarding to the relevant parties. give developer a hug and tell him his work is appreciated (and that PR 1.2 is awesome!) |
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| 17:17.09 | npm | that also goes for any of the PR 1.2 devs on here as well :-) |
| 17:18.57 | npm | by the way, so how long to app-devs have to fix their apps before PR 1.2 goes "live" to customers? |
| 17:19.21 | npm | (fix == correct font size change issues) |
| 17:24.50 | uiff_ | ajalkane: if I do /sbin/initctl start callc it says unknown job |
| 17:25.02 | ab | npm, I have no idea what is their timeline |
| 17:28.50 | ZogG_laptop | ab: haha, you are nokia, i got ya =) have few questions about documentation =P |
| 17:30.10 | ZogG_laptop | npm: the funny thing that not all devs have n9950 with pr1.2 to check the apps |
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| 17:33.59 | ab | ZogG_laptop, I'm not |
| 17:36.55 | ZogG_laptop | ab =( |
| 17:37.02 | ZogG_laptop | frals: ping |
| 17:37.02 | SpeedEvil | ZogG_laptop: What about RDA? |
| 17:37.11 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: RDA? |
| 17:37.21 | SpeedEvil | Remote Device Access |
| 17:37.32 | ZogG_laptop | SpeedEvil: what about it? |
| 17:37.38 | SpeedEvil | for testing |
| 17:38.01 | ZogG_laptop | i'll just wait for pr1.2 and test it live |
| 17:38.17 | ZogG_laptop | or actually i can ask people with pr1.2 to test for me actually, good idea |
| 17:38.41 | ZogG_laptop | who are willing t check somethign |
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| 17:50.18 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised Nokia locked down downgrading but apple didn't |
| 17:51.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295 likely won't ever be fixed :'( |
| 17:51.45 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 295 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client |
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| 17:59.40 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sup dude |
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| 18:05.52 | ajalkane | uiff_: something wrong in your callc.conf then |
| 18:06.33 | djszapiN950 | jonni ping |
| 18:07.05 | djszapiN950 | does it work for you to change yhe source of the soundeffect before playing ? |
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| 18:09.46 | uiff_ | ajalkane: I needed apps/ before callc.conf, now it's supposed to start it shows apps/callc start/running, prcess 3476 but then if I do pidof callc it shows nothing so I'm not sure if it is running and it just finishes or if it is not running it |
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| 18:10.57 | ajalkane | uiff_: that means it stops immediately |
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| 18:11.49 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, nm, you? |
| 18:11.50 | uiff_ | and what do I need to do for keeping it running? |
| 18:12.03 | ajalkane | uiff: if I would have to guess, your application contains some graphics code |
| 18:12.13 | ajalkane | Or is it pure daemon/console based? |
| 18:12.33 | uiff_ | Mmmm i removed the qml viewer |
| 18:12.48 | uiff_ | I also have CONFIG += console |
| 18:13.01 | uiff_ | QT -= gui |
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| 18:17.00 | sebastian_ | hi everybody |
| 18:17.19 | sebastian_ | I am having problems flashing my N9 |
| 18:17.49 | sebastian_ | I can't find an image later than what I got OTA, and I get "downgrade disallowed" by the flasher tool |
| 18:18.14 | ajalkane | uiff: but did you remove all QML code from the main? |
| 18:18.16 | sebastian_ | do I have any change of fixing it somehow? or do I send it to Nokia care? |
| 18:18.40 | ajalkane | And use QCoreApplication? |
| 18:18.55 | uiff_ | I use QCoreApplication, there's no QML Code in my app |
| 18:19.11 | ajalkane | can you start the applciation from command line without usign initctl? |
| 18:19.18 | uiff_ | and I get a QWidget cannot create a QWidget error |
| 18:19.34 | ajalkane | So you do have graphics code still there |
| 18:19.47 | uiff_ | so there's something wrong in my code but I don't know what, I've removed everything related to GUI |
| 18:20.08 | ajalkane | Obviously there is graphics code still there, hunt it down, kill it. |
| 18:20.21 | ajalkane | But initctl can be used to launch graphics code apps too |
| 18:20.27 | ajalkane | but if you don't need it, all the better |
| 18:21.11 | uiff_ | will kill it, once I find it :D |
| 18:21.12 | uiff_ | thanks |
| 18:21.56 | MohammadAG | sebastian_, use navifirm to download the new image |
| 18:22.56 | ajalkane | Good luck in the hunt |
| 18:22.59 | ajalkane | I'm off to sleep a bit |
| 18:25.32 | sebastian_ | I was told that the versions themselves PR1.0, PR1.1, etc are timestamped |
| 18:25.44 | sebastian_ | and you can only install a newer image |
| 18:25.57 | sebastian_ | what I got OTA is not in navifirm's repository |
| 18:26.11 | ieatlint | i don't think its specifically timestamping that prevents it, but yes, there is no downgrade |
| 18:26.48 | sebastian_ | I'm getting an error "downgrade disallowed (13......)" the number is in "date -d @13....." 3rd of January |
| 18:27.02 | blueslee | sebastian_: there is a perl script which can download the firmware images |
| 18:27.18 | sebastian_ | the ota's ones? |
| 18:27.28 | blueslee | i don know |
| 18:27.31 | ieatlint | i don't know of any firmware released on januar 3 |
| 18:27.59 | sebastian_ | it's supposed to be 059L4L3, PR1.1, Argentina unbranded |
| 18:28.42 | sebastian_ | also the infamous P*** tool clears the device correctly but fails while writing MCUSW |
| 18:28.51 | blueslee | sebastian_: normally you can find the right version on top of your n9, in the near of the sim card |
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| 18:29.06 | sebastian_ | yes, that's the code 059L4L3 |
| 18:29.16 | sebastian_ | printed in the micro sim tray |
| 18:29.20 | blueslee | sebastian_: did you tried to flash also emmc in one step? |
| 18:29.36 | sebastian_ | yes, as second -F option |
| 18:29.56 | sebastian_ | flasher tool always complains about "downgrade disallowed (13....)" |
| 18:30.16 | sebastian_ | I've also tried 10 different images hoping that one would be newer, but no luck so far |
| 18:30.18 | ieatlint | what's the name of the image file? |
| 18:31.04 | sebastian_ | DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.348.1_PR_LEGACY_348_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin |
| 18:31.11 | sebastian_ | DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.NOMAPS_EMMC_NOMAPS.bin |
| 18:31.29 | blueslee | sebastian_: i guess you flashed one which has a newer firmware version number, there was one for the near east i think with a single bux fix |
| 18:32.13 | ieatlint | ooh, that's a good guess... was 42-something, just had fixes to help with the mid-east language locale |
| 18:32.21 | sebastian_ | I know MEA versions are supposed to be newer |
| 18:32.45 | sebastian_ | yes, I didn't try non 20. versions |
| 18:32.49 | sebastian_ | just in case... |
| 18:33.09 | ieatlint | the 20 just indicates pr1.1 |
| 18:33.12 | sebastian_ | but, isn't there a single tool that can do the flashing job regardless of the timestamp? |
| 18:33.19 | ieatlint | the MEA version is still pr1.1 |
| 18:33.54 | blueslee | sebastian_: did you tried the nokia software updater? |
| 18:34.12 | blueslee | sebastian_: which only flashes rootfs by the way |
| 18:34.21 | sebastian_ | I see, I could try that, I'm worried that later I wouldn't be able to go to PR1.2 for my product code |
| 18:34.32 | blueslee | sebastian_: nokia link if i remember right |
| 18:34.35 | sebastian_ | NSU fails to go past the connect phone screen |
| 18:34.59 | sebastian_ | thing is, after doing the update to PR1.1, and installing a couple of applications |
| 18:35.16 | sebastian_ | I was in ssh and apt-get showed "unused packages" and suggested autoremove |
| 18:35.24 | ieatlint | as i recall, the flasher tool has a query switch to get info about the image currently on the phone |
| 18:35.28 | ieatlint | might want to see about that |
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| 18:35.47 | sebastian_ | I did that, like 400MB were going to disappear, I thought it was a left over from PR1.0 and accepted |
| 18:36.08 | sebastian_ | then icons started to disappear from the applications home, including the useful green phone one |
| 18:36.20 | blueslee | sebastian_: did you add additional repos? |
| 18:36.28 | blueslee | hey hey hey:-) |
| 18:36.40 | sebastian_ | one for Opera or Fennec I think |
| 18:36.50 | sebastian_ | that I needed pango library |
| 18:36.51 | blueslee | i had the same issue yesterday with a simple "apt-get install tar" |
| 18:37.03 | sebastian_ | it wasn't a nice experience I must tell |
| 18:37.12 | blueslee | harmattan dev was activated |
| 18:37.30 | sebastian_ | and apt-transport-https something went away, so no way to install a new package |
| 18:37.30 | blueslee | and i also hit enter |
| 18:37.39 | sebastian_ | did you fix it? |
| 18:37.45 | blueslee | i had to flash |
| 18:38.02 | sebastian_ | but in your case the image was the same or older, right? |
| 18:38.03 | blueslee | can you check /apt/etc for sources.list |
| 18:38.37 | sebastian_ | right now, one of my tests included the P*** tool, which goes through a cleaning phase and then hangs |
| 18:38.41 | blueslee | sebastian_: i used "correct" images |
| 18:39.03 | sebastian_ | clever of you |
| 18:39.20 | sebastian_ | I did that same thing too, but didn't work for me |
| 18:39.34 | blueslee | but i had the same effect, all icons were gone, nothing worked, no ls, no cp |
| 18:39.54 | sebastian_ | yes, I wasn't worried at first because I was counting with flashing it |
| 18:40.14 | blueslee | do you flash from windows? |
| 18:40.28 | sebastian_ | somebody helped me in meego's forum, called "rainisto", and told me the images were timestamped |
| 18:40.28 | blueslee | it should not matter, just a quesion |
| 18:40.32 | sebastian_ | and that was the problem |
| 18:40.56 | sebastian_ | yes, to use the flashing tools apart from "flasher" in linux |
| 18:41.19 | sebastian_ | I've tried both |
| 18:42.30 | sebastian_ | thing is, I would like to avoid going to Nokia Care and waiting a month or so for the fix |
| 18:42.43 | sebastian_ | in a month PR1.2 is going to go public more or less, right? |
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| 18:50.22 | ieatlint | unclear |
| 18:50.38 | ZogG_laptop | mardy: ping |
| 18:50.47 | ieatlint | but if you were to guestimate the timeline between pr1.1 coming out for the n950 and it coming out for the n9, a few weeks would be it |
| 18:54.01 | sebastian_ | so a month and a half from now you mean? |
| 18:55.26 | ieatlint | well, in true nokia fashion, it'll get announced 4-10 months before release |
| 18:56.26 | sebastian_ | :( |
| 18:57.18 | djszapi | ieatlint: what do you mean ? |
| 18:57.45 | ieatlint | djszapi: just a joke about how long it takes nokia to get a phone out the door once they announce it |
| 18:58.17 | djszapi | not following...what new phone are you speaking about ? |
| 18:58.33 | ieatlint | the rm-690 |
| 18:58.38 | beford | sebastian_, can't you just apply the current firmware with the Nokia Software Updater for windows? |
| 18:59.12 | sebastian_ | beford, it doesn't get passed the first connection page |
| 18:59.13 | djszapi | ieatlint: also, how is it different, say for Intel ? They even announce it much before than that ? |
| 19:00.27 | ieatlint | djszapi: why are you suddenly on the defence and using intel as a shield? |
| 19:00.41 | ieatlint | it's a joke, and a criticism that nokia themselves have admitted and worked to stop |
| 19:00.54 | djszapi | because I do not understand why one company is grabbed out all the time even if everybody does the same. |
| 19:00.58 | ieatlint | hence the lumia being announced shortly before release |
| 19:01.11 | ieatlint | because i'm in a channel about a nokia product |
| 19:01.26 | ieatlint | it'd be bizarre if i started talking about how long i have to wait for the next intel chipset in here |
| 19:01.46 | djszapi | oh so you are ranting everywhere then ? |
| 19:02.34 | ieatlint | well, i am on the internet |
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| 19:09.48 | djszapi | faenil: got the soundeffect working \o/ :) |
| 19:10.33 | faenil | what was the problem? |
| 19:12.00 | djszapi | faenil: wav generation |
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| 19:13.24 | faenil | i.e ? |
| 19:13.26 | faenil | details :D |
| 19:15.19 | djszapi | simple: try to convert an "ogg" file by using ffmpeg, or oggdec with the default options. |
| 19:15.29 | djszapi | then open up the output files in a hex editor |
| 19:15.42 | djszapi | you will see that the chunk is 18 bytes long in case of ffmpeg |
| 19:15.54 | djszapi | and 16 bytes long with the oggdec conversion. |
| 19:16.39 | djszapi | faenil: also, there is yet another serious bug with the whole audio stack. |
| 19:16.57 | faenil | so which encoding is the working one? XD |
| 19:16.59 | djszapi | you cannot dynamically change the source before playing, so say: you have 10+ effects, you cannot use one element, but 10+ |
| 19:17.05 | djszapi | faenil: oggdec. |
| 19:17.22 | faenil | about the source, that's sad, but ok ;) |
| 19:17.35 | djszapi | but if you get the wav directly, better to check the chunk with okteta or the hex editor of vi |
| 19:17.50 | djszapi | I would not say it is ok to create zillion elements. |
| 19:18.17 | djszapi | I would personally use one soundeffect element with dynamically changable source. Actually, I would expect a play method with source argument instead of explicitely setting it. |
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| 19:19.31 | djszapi | Venemo: O. |
| 19:19.35 | djszapi | o/ :) |
| 19:19.46 | faenil | exactly... |
| 19:19.47 | Venemo | hey djszapi :) |
| 19:19.51 | Venemo | hi faenil :) |
| 19:19.53 | faenil | but that's life...this is what we're given :) |
| 19:19.55 | faenil | hey Venemo ;) |
| 19:20.00 | Venemo | how're you guys? |
| 19:20.21 | djszapi | Venemo: fine with a buggy audio stack on Harmattan xD |
| 19:20.22 | faenil | fine ;) what about you? |
| 19:20.26 | faenil | ahahah |
| 19:20.42 | Venemo | djszapi, lol |
| 19:20.54 | Venemo | faenil, I'm fine, thanks. a little bit tired, but I love my new job :) |
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| 19:21.20 | ieatlint | congrats on the new job |
| 19:21.34 | Venemo | thanks :) |
| 19:21.41 | faenil | congrats :) |
| 19:22.17 | djszapi | Venemo: the selection dialog patches are not even accepted for 1.3 :D :D |
| 19:22.23 | Venemo | djszapi, SRSLY? |
| 19:22.31 | djszapi | yeah. |
| 19:24.14 | Venemo | LOOOOOOOLLL |
| 19:24.58 | djszapi | not enough serious bugfix =) |
| 19:25.20 | Venemo | LLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL |
| 19:25.23 | Venemo | :D :D :D |
| 19:25.46 | Venemo | you see, I knew I'd keep using my WorkingSelectionDialog for a long time :D |
| 19:25.52 | faenil | looooool |
| 19:26.36 | djszapi | WorkingSelectionDialog naming rotfl xD |
| 19:26.51 | Venemo | why? :D |
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| 19:28.50 | trx | are there any plans by anyone to port subversion to harmattan? |
| 19:29.30 | ieatlint | i'm pretty sure all the porting effort in that area is around cvs and a little on mercurial |
| 19:29.50 | djszapi | trx: I tried last summer, but was not straight-forward. |
| 19:30.17 | trx | me too with no luck |
| 19:30.52 | djszapi | but it is very useful to port because you might port important dependencies for other packages. |
| 19:31.21 | sebastian_ | hi, anybody knows if it's possible to flash a downgraded image to N9? |
| 19:31.51 | phako | sebastian_: no. |
| 19:32.11 | trx | it requires libapache1 and some other packages with which i never worked before |
| 19:32.18 | trx | but yeah, it would be useful |
| 19:33.10 | sebastian_ | phako: and in that case, is there an image repository with the binary images compatible with the OTA updates? because navifirm ones are older |
| 19:33.22 | djszapi | sebastian_: it is, but you need to know the security holes :) |
| 19:33.32 | djszapi | so theoritically yes, practically not for you. |
| 19:34.04 | sebastian_ | djszapi: I wouldn't mind reading cryptic stuff |
| 19:34.22 | sebastian_ | djszapi: is there some documentation I could read? |
| 19:34.39 | djszapi | I am afraid I cannot disclose until the fix, or even until a release. |
| 19:34.55 | sebastian_ | by the way, what's MCUSW? |
| 19:35.18 | djszapi | microcontroller software ? :D |
| 19:35.42 | sebastian_ | nice name |
| 19:36.20 | djszapi | sebastian_: why would you downgrade by the way ? |
| 19:36.58 | sebastian_ | my sad story goes like this: |
| 19:37.06 | sebastian_ | I upgraded to PR1.1 OTA |
| 19:37.19 | sebastian_ | then installed Opera and Fennec, and a couple of things more |
| 19:37.32 | sebastian_ | apt-get reported unused packages, so I did "apt-get autoremove" |
| 19:38.02 | sebastian_ | that started removing my icons from the home screen, when I saw the green phone icon go away I cancelled apt |
| 19:38.06 | sebastian_ | but it was too late |
| 19:38.30 | djszapi | that sounds obscure to me. |
| 19:38.33 | sebastian_ | apt-transport-https or something like that was gone, so no way to get back my packages |
| 19:38.40 | sebastian_ | bizarre too for me |
| 19:39.01 | sebastian_ | so I decided to flash it, instead of trying to recover all the packages that had gone away |
| 19:39.11 | sebastian_ | I got navifirm, found my products image |
| 19:39.25 | sebastian_ | but it seems it's timestamped older than the one I got OTA |
| 19:39.33 | djszapi | N9 or N950 ? |
| 19:39.51 | sebastian_ | so flasher reports "downgrade disallowed (13....)" the 13... is the timestamp corresponding to 3rd January |
| 19:39.53 | sebastian_ | N9 |
| 19:40.15 | sebastian_ | I don't intend to downgrade per se, but I think it's the only way now |
| 19:40.25 | djszapi | why ? |
| 19:40.29 | sebastian_ | just downgrade the timestamp difference |
| 19:40.35 | djszapi | I would try to mount the N9 partition on my PC |
| 19:40.42 | sebastian_ | because navifirm images seem to be older than whay I got OTA |
| 19:40.47 | djszapi | and unpack important things manually, if not possible to reinstall |
| 19:40.57 | sebastian_ | yes, I tried that one too |
| 19:40.59 | sebastian_ | but too late |
| 19:41.07 | sebastian_ | I first tried the infamous P*** tool |
| 19:41.27 | sebastian_ | and while it fails at writing MCUSW, it does a great job at the "erasing" step |
| 19:41.43 | sebastian_ | so no more partitions left, just a big 15.5 GB sdd |
| 19:42.50 | MohammadAG | Nokia needs to get their shit straight |
| 19:42.58 | djszapi | not following, what P*** tool ? |
| 19:43.00 | MohammadAG | OCF then OTA |
| 19:43.28 | MohammadAG | kinda worked well with the N900 |
| 19:43.44 | MohammadAG | if only the N900 was upgraded with the software |
| 19:43.52 | MohammadAG | same software* |
| 19:44.32 | sebastian_ | that would be great, but I was told nokia didn't plan to release the binaries compatible with OTA to the general public |
| 19:50.03 | sebastian_ | so, any ideas, or do I have to wait for PR1.2 or Nokia Care only? |
| 19:58.48 | e-yes | framebuffer in n9 is weird, isn't it? |
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| 20:03.56 | blueslee | admiral0: ping |
| 20:04.08 | djszapi | e-yes: why |
| 20:04.49 | admiral0 | blueslee: yes |
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| 20:05.53 | admiral0 | blueslee: pong |
| 20:06.19 | admiral0 | 50% packet loss |
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| 20:11.30 | blueslee | admiral0: i want to use lpsmagic but with my own data |
| 20:11.52 | blueslee | admiral0: are you developing a gui for it? |
| 20:12.31 | admiral0 | not yet. I am rewriting it in C to consume less RAM |
| 20:13.01 | admiral0 | you could set up a wiki page for data requested |
| 20:13.01 | blueslee | admiral0: can you provide an option just to display a text file? |
| 20:13.26 | blueslee | admiral0: i use the operator logo for this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1150013#post1150013 |
| 20:13.30 | admiral0 | blueslee: v2.0 (in C) will be configurable via configfile |
| 20:13.56 | blueslee | admiral0: and i want to do something like a status monitor for public transfer using cron |
| 20:14.09 | blueslee | admiral0: that sounds good |
| 20:14.18 | admiral0 | also |
| 20:14.25 | admiral0 | QtScript is tempting me |
| 20:14.29 | admiral0 | :) |
| 20:18.15 | blueslee | admiral0: i only had a look on your python code but i will wait for the support of "arbitrary" textfiles |
| 20:18.49 | admiral0 | :) |
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| 20:20.53 | admiral0 | blueslee: i'm doing it the right way(ttm) |
| 20:21.08 | admiral0 | s/ttm/tm/ |
| 20:22.19 | blueslee | admiral0: until now i used crontab for the updating job, how is your plan? |
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| 20:27.20 | admiral0 | daemon and inotify |
| 20:28.09 | DrGrov | Hi admiral0, daemon and inotify? |
| 20:29.48 | admiral0 | yes |
| 20:30.13 | DrGrov | What is this about? |
| 20:31.24 | admiral0 | the way i consume less CPU :P |
| 20:32.34 | DrGrov | Ah ok :) |
| 20:32.58 | DrGrov | admiral0: You see my post on #n9 about my battery consumption? Could it be background data which is set as on making the huge consumption? |
| 20:33.41 | admiral0 | yes |
| 20:34.28 | DrGrov | So I better turn the background data off then and solve the problem? |
| 20:35.33 | admiral0 | see what's causing your battery drain |
| 20:35.50 | jkt | hi there |
| 20:36.14 | jkt | I might be missing something, but one of the things mentioned fro PR1.2 on N950 was the new feature of moving aplications into folders |
| 20:36.22 | jkt | how am I supposed to actually use that? |
| 20:37.07 | DrGrov | admiral0: I actually had the phone just laying around without any calls or activity. Just lpsmagic running with dual mode + backgroun data on |
| 20:38.28 | admiral0 | lpsmagic has verylittle power drain |
| 20:38.34 | admiral0 | do you have IM on? |
| 20:51.54 | DrGrov | admiral0: No, I am offline on IM. Always |
| 20:52.25 | admiral0 | emails? |
| 20:52.32 | DrGrov | No, no emails either |
| 20:52.40 | DrGrov | No accounts at all set up |
| 20:53.33 | DrGrov | Could it be because I charge my phone too fast after it goes under ex. 30% ? |
| 20:53.47 | DrGrov | I mean should I let it drop down to ex. 10% sometimes and then just charge it? |
| 20:55.01 | DrGrov | But it is ok, I will check tomorrow and do the same kind of test with having background data off and keep it running for roughly 19h to see how much has been used |
| 20:55.38 | DrGrov | Probably what I mean with background data is "Allow data connections in the background" or similar to that so it can get mail anytime |
| 20:55.39 | DrGrov | etc. |
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| 21:09.31 | djszapi | Hi! If I have such a common toolbarlayout for more pages with a back toolicon and all that jazz: http://paste.kde.org/197054/ How can I make an inquery for the actualy page before popping on the stack ? I would execute a "saveSettings()"-like C++ code if the current page was the settings page. |
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| 21:15.52 | MohammadAG | how do I get the source from the OBS page? |
| 21:17.04 | djszapi | "Sources" tab. |
| 21:18.57 | MohammadAG | oh, had to login |
| 21:20.17 | djszapi | you can download without login |
| 21:22.31 | djszapi | Mmm...at least I could checked against the status of the settings page before popping, and if it is "active", there we go. |
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| 21:29.24 | beford | djszapi, there is appWindow.pageStack.currentPage, did you check that? |
| 21:31.13 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit, sebastian's gone already |
| 21:31.19 | itsnotabigtruck | i assume the 'infamous p*** tool' is phoenix? |
| 21:32.07 | itsnotabigtruck | flashing pr1.1.1 might have done the trick |
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| 21:54.27 | Tronic | ~update |
| 21:54.28 | infobot | [update] http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 21:56.16 | djszapi | beford: yeah, I realized that also works. |
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| 22:13.06 | admiral0 | djszapi: you're gonna hate me... but did you try lpsmagic XD |
| 22:16.38 | djszapi | not really. |
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| 22:18.48 | admiral0 | :( |
| 22:20.36 | djszapi | do not cry :D |
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| 22:25.58 | admiral0 | djszapi :'( |
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| 22:46.42 | itsnotabigtruck | heh, on my end it looks like everyone is talking to the air |
| 22:46.57 | itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: any lpsmagic news? |
| 22:47.48 | ieatlint | making a treeview in qml is a bitch |
| 22:49.28 | admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: version 1.2 is out |
| 22:51.44 | ieatlint | dare i ask what this lpsmagic is? |
| 22:55.51 | admiral0 | ieatlint: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1156548 |
| 22:57.25 | ieatlint | interesting... about the only thing i'd want on that list is the battery and date |
| 22:57.53 | ieatlint | so that works by replacing the operator image with an image you generate at a set interval? |
| 22:58.15 | ieatlint | would also wonder if that could noticeably reduce battery life |
| 22:58.21 | admiral0 | nope |
| 22:58.32 | admiral0 | generated every 60seconds |
| 22:58.36 | admiral0 | i cache images |
| 22:58.50 | admiral0 | and i'm now rewriting in C++ |
| 22:58.59 | admiral0 | read the thread |
| 22:59.06 | admiral0 | battery usage is minimal |
| 22:59.42 | ieatlint | bah, reading is overrated |
| 23:00.44 | admiral0 | ieatlint: lol |
| 23:02.20 | ieatlint | this makes more sense as to why you said you were looking to rewrite in c though |
| 23:02.53 | admiral0 | you see, it starts slowly and consumes RAM |
| 23:03.00 | admiral0 | it's because of python |
| 23:03.22 | admiral0 | and high niceness i set for the daemon |
| 23:04.40 | ieatlint | using hal to get the data? |
| 23:05.57 | admiral0 | yes |
| 23:06.06 | admiral0 | you can read the source |
| 23:06.23 | admiral0 | i don't byte-compile the python script |
| 23:11.59 | Tronic | Pff, Nokia servers are damn slow. OCF download is taking 4-5 h. |
| 23:23.16 | jkt | now that's what I call a failure -- I have not noticed that the first FW link on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ is actually the PR1.1, not PR1.2 |
| 23:23.35 | jkt | and spent like an hour googling for "why the hell it doesn't have any new feature" |
| 23:26.07 | ieatlint | haha |
| 23:30.01 | admiral0 | lol |
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| 23:52.18 | itsnotabigtruck | lol jkt |
| 23:52.25 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: so install it! |
| 23:54.51 | itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: just upgraded, let's see if this works |
| 23:55.07 | admiral0 | works ;) |
| 23:55.20 | itsnotabigtruck | also i need to see if my joikuspot hack causes a malf :p |
| 23:55.24 | admiral0 | i don't push untested debs |
| 23:55.34 | admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: what hack |
| 23:55.39 | admiral0 | is interested |
| 23:56.12 | itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: not of interest if you aren't in the us...it prevents adhoc networking (and therefore joikuspot) from being disabled when connected to a cell network in the 50 states and guam |
| 23:56.23 | admiral0 | i have just found a fellow to do a cammercial project for meego |
| 23:56.30 | itsnotabigtruck | which is supposedly due to fcc requirements |
| 23:56.36 | ieatlint | someone confirmed it happens in guam? |
| 23:56.44 | itsnotabigtruck | waits for the black fcc helicopters to arrive and/or an ear tumor to form |
| 23:56.55 | admiral0 | lol |
| 23:57.04 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: nah but it's in the assembly :p |
| 23:57.25 | admiral0 | itsnotabigtruck: malf |
| 23:57.39 | itsnotabigtruck | admiral0: what about it |
| 23:57.57 | admiral0 | you changed something in the bin? |
| 23:58.00 | itsnotabigtruck | nein |
| 23:58.14 | admiral0 | ah then it's not so sure |
| 23:58.19 | itsnotabigtruck | it didn't malf |
| 23:59.10 | itsnotabigtruck | also unlike the upstart script that turns adhoc on, this works all the time |
| 23:59.13 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: what about PR or USVI? :P |
| 23:59.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: lol, i was wondering about that...it seems like they didn't include any of the other us outlying territories on the ban list for wifi hotspot goodness |