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| 00:35.41 | Sazpaimon | would anyone be interested in adding steam chat to telepathy? |
| 00:35.53 | Sazpaimon | there's a C# project for it |
| 00:36.24 | Sazpaimon | I made an attempt, but I don't know a lot about C# and even less about telepathy |
| 00:36.56 | djszapi | I know somewhat both, and I have an interest, but no time :/ |
| 00:38.39 | Sazpaimon | well should you ever change your mind there's a project at https://bitbucket.org/VoiDeD |
| 00:40.09 | Sazpaimon | since there's now a steam chat program for android and iOS, it'd be cool to get one for harmattan/fremnantle over telapathy, to 1-up the official client |
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| 01:02.55 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: hmm, sounds interesting |
| 01:03.03 | itsnotabigtruck | not something i'd do myself, but interestijng |
| 01:03.16 | itsnotabigtruck | the thing is that steam chat really exists for chatting, while playing games, on steam |
| 01:03.19 | itsnotabigtruck | not your phone |
| 01:03.41 | itsnotabigtruck | neither steam chat nor facebook chat are suitable for general purpose stuff |
| 01:03.53 | itsnotabigtruck | otoh both of them seem to have kinda taken off for exactly that |
| 01:04.08 | itsnotabigtruck | and "traditional" im isn't exactly popular now among the 'general population' heh |
| 01:06.51 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, yeah, I agree, Steam was never meant as a social IM type of thing |
| 01:07.15 | Sazpaimon | but it's certainly become that with stuff like group chat and the lik |
| 01:07.29 | Sazpaimon | and now Valve has officially supported steam chat on android and iOS |
| 01:07.53 | Sazpaimon | and I know a large majority of my friends, myself included, either use IRC or steam for communication |
| 01:08.10 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: get them to use jabber! especially if they already use a multiprotocol im program |
| 01:08.11 | Sazpaimon | I dont ever use AIM or MSN |
| 01:08.17 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. if they use pidgin for their irc |
| 01:08.27 | itsnotabigtruck | forget aim/msn/yahoo though |
| 01:08.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also if they're using pidgin get them to install pidgin-otr too |
| 01:08.54 | Sazpaimon | I dont know why I should 'get people' to do something different just to meet my needs |
| 01:08.55 | itsnotabigtruck | jabber is somewhat secure, but it can't be trusted for interdomain connections on most servers atm |
| 01:09.22 | Sazpaimon | i already use gtalk for work, and I agree its a superior protocol |
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| 01:09.33 | itsnotabigtruck | because then they can chat on a better im system? i mean, yeah, not everyone is very receptive to that |
| 01:09.51 | Sazpaimon | but everyone I know uses steam, because we all already use steam anyway |
| 01:09.54 | itsnotabigtruck | but in the chance event that they are, i don't see what's wrong with trying to "get people" to switch protocols or whatnot |
| 01:10.25 | itsnotabigtruck | btw is steam chat ssl'd or aything like that? |
| 01:10.40 | Sazpaimon | it uses some form of encryption, yes |
| 01:10.48 | Sazpaimon | it isnt plaintext going back and forth |
| 01:12.05 | Sazpaimon | https://bitbucket.org/VoiDeD/steamre/wiki/Networking/Protocol-level_messages.wiki |
| 01:12.08 | itsnotabigtruck | geez this code is ugly |
| 01:12.10 | Sazpaimon | i believe this goes over the formst |
| 01:12.13 | Sazpaimon | *format |
| 01:12.31 | itsnotabigtruck | where's the messaging code? |
| 01:13.02 | Sazpaimon | its been a while since I looked, let me see if i remember |
| 01:13.30 | itsnotabigtruck | i found some stuff that looks pretty warm |
| 01:14.11 | Sazpaimon | damn, youre right this code is a mess |
| 01:14.48 | Sazpaimon | if it helps, Vapor is the actual client |
| 01:14.51 | itsnotabigtruck | still haven't found anything that would seem to have anything to do with sending a steam friends message |
| 01:14.53 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 01:15.03 | itsnotabigtruck | didn't realize that was it |
| 01:15.03 | Sazpaimon | SteamRE is the protocol behind it |
| 01:15.30 | Sazpaimon | i actually tried getting vapor to work on Mono on the N900, it wouldn't run |
| 01:15.39 | Sazpaimon | which is strange becaus it was developed for use with Mono |
| 01:15.52 | Sazpaimon | but I think Mono's ARM port is mostly abandoned |
| 01:17.07 | itsnotabigtruck | Steam3.SteamFriends.SendChatMessage |
| 01:17.42 | Sazpaimon | yeah, Steam3 is the latest steam protocol that handles a lot of steam community and gameserver<->steam communication |
| 01:17.50 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so the message send function is here https://bitbucket.org/VoiDeD/steamre/src/d0732c6703b4/SteamKit2/SteamKit2/Steam3/Handlers/SteamFriends/SteamFriends.cs |
| 01:17.53 | Sazpaimon | I think steam2 is only really used for CDN purposes at this point |
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| 01:18.23 | Sazpaimon | steam is actually a really complex and powerful protocol, I have to hand it to Valve on that |
| 01:18.36 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently they're using some custom crypto layer? |
| 01:18.50 | Sazpaimon | yeah, steam3 crypto is documented on the wiki |
| 01:18.53 | Sazpaimon | it's AES based |
| 01:19.01 | Sazpaimon | https://bitbucket.org/VoiDeD/steamre/wiki/Networking/Steam3.wiki |
| 01:19.02 | Sazpaimon | there we are |
| 01:20.56 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, "aes based" is pretty irrelevant...basically everything that isn't absolutely terrible is using aes |
| 01:21.00 | itsnotabigtruck | but what really matters is key management |
| 01:21.08 | itsnotabigtruck | for example: Client generates a 256bit session key. |
| 01:21.09 | itsnotabigtruck | This key is encrypted by a 1024bit public RSA key for the specific universe. |
| 01:21.20 | itsnotabigtruck | that's dumb...1024-bit rsa = 80-bit security level |
| 01:21.47 | itsnotabigtruck | so using aes-256 is just wasting a lot of bits |
| 01:22.12 | Sazpaimon | off topic, but apparently whitney houston died |
| 01:22.21 | itsnotabigtruck | hm |
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| 02:11.04 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, just came across this: https://github.com/Overv/SteamWebAPI |
| 02:16.21 | Sazpaimon | apparently valve opened up their web api for steam chat |
| 02:16.27 | Sazpaimon | which is what they use for the mobile client |
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| 02:40.03 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: ah, maybe that's a better idea |
| 02:40.07 | itsnotabigtruck | as long as it's encrypted |
| 02:40.34 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, yes, their web api uses standard SSL encryption |
| 02:40.50 | Sazpaimon | which would be a LOT more sane than dealing with their custom encryption |
| 02:40.52 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's making an ssl connection to https://someip |
| 02:40.59 | itsnotabigtruck | better make sure to validate that stuff |
| 02:41.08 | Sazpaimon | and, it would allow for publishing to the ovi store since it isn't reverse engineering |
| 02:41.39 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like it's just https://store.steampowered.com |
| 02:41.44 | Sazpaimon | yep |
| 02:41.54 | Sazpaimon | and the path defines what gets done |
| 02:43.02 | itsnotabigtruck | re ovi store, though it's problematic how they don't let you package stuff correctly |
| 02:43.20 | itsnotabigtruck | like there should really be e.g. a cross-platform telepathy-steam package, and then an accounts-plugin-steam or something like that |
| 02:43.43 | Sazpaimon | how does extraplugins handle it |
| 02:43.53 | itsnotabigtruck | it probably doesn't, lol |
| 02:44.00 | itsnotabigtruck | well, actually, doesn't it use telepathy-haze? |
| 02:44.03 | itsnotabigtruck | that's in the nokia repo |
| 02:44.13 | Sazpaimon | let me check the control file |
| 02:44.13 | itsnotabigtruck | so extraplugins would just be the account plugin part |
| 02:44.15 | itsnotabigtruck | hence the name |
| 02:45.00 | Sazpaimon | it bundles haze |
| 02:45.03 | Sazpaimon | and libpurple |
| 02:45.50 | Sazpaimon | it actually has telepathy-haze binary bundled with it |
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| 02:49.25 | itsnotabigtruck | well that's ugly :/ |
| 02:49.45 | Sazpaimon | which is probably why it conflicts with every other package |
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