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| 02:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Just watched w00t's PlayBook QML video. |
| 02:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Dang. |
| 02:30.03 | GeneralAntilles | Looks slick as hell. |
| 02:30.22 | itsnotabigtruck | who on earth is w00t...that explains why Sazpaimon was all "w00t's not here" :p |
| 02:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | Robin Burchell |
| 02:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | He kicks ass. |
| 02:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJhMhhnqGo |
| 02:32.41 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mOXGKTE30M this song kicks more ass :p |
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| 03:00.22 | itsnotabigtruck | so has nokia said anything interesting at mwc yet? |
| 03:00.46 | itsnotabigtruck | nm, it starts tomorrow |
| 03:00.54 | GeneralAntilles | 3 AM EST |
| 03:01.02 | itsnotabigtruck | what kind of trade show starts on a monday...usually they start on friday and continue over the weekend |
| 03:01.14 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess this way it maximizes days off for the people involved :p |
| 03:02.10 | itsnotabigtruck | well, CES went from tuesday to friday |
| 03:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | Most trade shows are weekdays. |
| 03:03.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i was generalizing from only a couple examples |
| 03:03.50 | itsnotabigtruck | meh |
| 03:07.15 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/viewsonics-viewphone-4e-hands-on-video/ hmm, looks suspiciously like a lumia |
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| 03:18.06 | Jare | haha, and before that one there was already the new lg prada k2 http://www.technobuffalo.com/mobile-devices/phones/lg-prada-k2-lg-prada-3-leaks-ahead-of-unveiling-later-today/ |
| 03:18.34 | itsnotabigtruck | jare: that just looks like a regular old android phone |
| 03:18.55 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the colored body that does it |
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| 04:58.19 | itsnotabigtruck | http://store.ovi.com/content/257297 lol @ ovi allowing this in |
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| 06:59.42 | leinir | itsnotabigtruck: not available for my country, it says - what is it? |
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| 07:33.04 | mece | hello |
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| 07:47.03 | itsnotabigtruck | leinir: it's an app that enables ad-hoc wifi |
| 07:47.11 | itsnotabigtruck | required for joikuspot |
| 07:47.28 | leinir | Right :) |
| 07:47.34 | itsnotabigtruck | the N9 turns ad-hoc off if it detects you're on a US cell phone network during boot |
| 07:47.58 | itsnotabigtruck | the point though is that such an app isn't exactly 100% kosher but nokia let it in anyway |
| 07:48.22 | itsnotabigtruck | also a toggle app isn't the most elegant way to do it... |
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| 08:35.11 | gabriel9|work | noka mwc finished no MeeGo phone in sight :/ |
| 08:35.28 | gabriel9|work | heh, and i was hoping to see one |
| 08:35.38 | gabriel9|work | today is gone be shity day |
| 08:37.03 | leinir | Well, with the meego project winding down at Nokia, yeah, that wouldn't be likely |
| 08:38.07 | leinir | There was a very tiny potential for a successor to Series 40 being announced, but... yeah, also not exactly likely, as it's be mixing up their messaging down there |
| 08:38.58 | gabriel9|work | well we now have ourselfs |
| 08:39.01 | gabriel9|work | and N9 |
| 08:40.08 | matrixx | and better yet, N950 ;) |
| 08:41.06 | auenf | no sign of meltemini (sp?) yet? |
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| 08:41.52 | matrixx | nope |
| 08:42.05 | auenf | but a symbian belle device announced :P |
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| 08:43.30 | gri | mhm, I was too late for the webcast, only saw the last two questions :) |
| 08:46.46 | jreznik | but 41 megapixels? why :) |
| 08:48.29 | auenf | cause its better than anything else :P |
| 08:49.03 | gri | why not 42? |
| 08:49.29 | gabriel9|work | matrixx: well you have n950 |
| 08:49.34 | gabriel9|work | i dont :( |
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| 08:49.39 | gabriel9|work | so no happy for me |
| 08:49.45 | matrixx | :( |
| 08:50.16 | gabriel9|work | but i pay 500€ N9 |
| 08:50.21 | gabriel9|work | that is two paycheck |
| 08:50.26 | gabriel9|work | XD |
| 08:50.31 | leinir | gri: http://live.theverge.com/Event/Nokia_MWC_2012_event :) |
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| 08:57.06 | gri | leinir: Thank you, really nothing interesting :( My interest has been catched by "Ubuntu for Android" :) |
| 09:00.50 | jreznik | talks to my contact about the possibility to get a few n950/n9 for our openmobility devel competition :) the only condition is to come to prague to our conference to pick up potential prize :) if anybody interested, stay tuned :) |
| 09:01.27 | gabriel9|work | yes they show us nothing |
| 09:01.47 | gabriel9|work | anyone wish to make me happy and give me n950 :D |
| 09:01.56 | gabriel9|work | no matter, i will buy spark :P |
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| 09:09.00 | djszapiN9 | is now a Certified Qt Specialist yay :) |
| 09:09.17 | Appiah | congrats |
| 09:11.49 | jreznik | djszapiN9: congrats! |
| 09:12.05 | jreznik | is not - missing qt essential exam, has both advanced ones |
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| 09:23.53 | AWasisto | Is it possible to port FCam API for N9? |
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| 09:24.43 | gabriel9 | djszapiN9: congrats :) |
| 09:25.35 | leinir | djszapiN9: about time! ;) |
| 09:25.44 | leinir | (also, congrats :) ) |
| 09:25.47 | matrixx | djszapiN9: congrats! |
| 09:28.04 | djszapi | thanks, I am happy. :) |
| 09:32.02 | matrixx | yey, 1.2 ota update available :) |
| 09:32.09 | matrixx | for n9 that is |
| 09:33.25 | jreznik | is checking |
| 09:33.55 | jreznik | wow, it's there! |
| 09:34.52 | leinir | hmm... not on mine yet it seems... :) |
| 09:35.05 | djszapi | matrixx: accidentally, I think, even PR1.3 was available |
| 09:35.09 | djszapi | yesterday, I was like wth :D |
| 09:35.20 | matrixx | oh :D |
| 09:35.33 | jreznik | it's 20.2012.07-1 |
| 09:35.39 | matrixx | leinir: did you check the updates manually? |
| 09:36.03 | leinir | *nods* i've got one of the norwegian devices they handed out at devdays munich, might take a little longer for that :) |
| 09:36.13 | matrixx | :) |
| 09:38.19 | jreznik | ah sorry, 30.2012.07-1 |
| 09:38.30 | jreznik | djszapi: do you know if it's 1.2 or 1.3? |
| 09:38.58 | djszapi | jreznik: wait a second... I am sort of pissed off by the Nokia SDK team atm ... |
| 09:39.04 | djszapi | they do not give too much shit for us :/ |
| 09:39.18 | djszapi | (us = community) |
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| 09:39.40 | jreznik | djszapi: yep, I know, I'm reading this channel :( |
| 09:40.36 | matrixx | it's 1.2 |
| 09:40.58 | matrixx | so if there ever has been accidentally 1.3, it's not there anymore |
| 09:41.36 | djszapi | except my phone :P |
| 09:41.37 | jreznik | ok |
| 09:41.40 | CissWit | i've got the PR 1.1 ota yesterday, wonder when i will have the 1.2 :) |
| 09:41.56 | djszapi | jreznik: yes, the only missing line from the public documentation: "We do not give a shit to the community, dot." |
| 09:42.26 | matrixx | djszapi: lucky you :P |
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| 09:42.58 | djszapi | we have 38 votes on a bug, and they do not even fix it up. |
| 09:43.05 | djszapi | I cannot believe, it is for real. |
| 09:43.06 | djszapi | :( |
| 09:43.11 | matrixx | though I don't want any half-baked updates for my N9, so 1.2 is just fine :) |
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| 09:45.55 | gabriel9|work | 1.2 also on my device is aviable :) |
| 09:46.08 | gabriel9|work | day is not so shity anymore :) |
| 09:46.17 | gabriel9|work | damn his web programming |
| 09:46.22 | gabriel9|work | i want C++ |
| 09:46.36 | CissWit | do C++ CGI. |
| 09:46.58 | gabriel9|work | swit jisus, that is to much for my kind of projects |
| 09:47.05 | CissWit | ^^ |
| 09:47.07 | gabriel9|work | Zend Framework rules |
| 09:47.27 | djszapi | why is it so slow to update btw ? |
| 09:47.33 | djszapi | ten times slower than a simple reflash |
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| 09:48.13 | matrixx | was a bit worried for a while, after staying over 5 minutes on 0% (again) |
| 09:48.30 | gabriel9|work | wait, there is lot of people who download it |
| 09:48.35 | gabriel9|work | i will do my tonight :) |
| 09:48.45 | mgedmin | ~update |
| 09:48.45 | infobot | methinks update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 09:49.31 | matrixx | I got it downloaded, it's the installation phase which is slow |
| 09:49.42 | matrixx | but now in 16% already :) |
| 09:49.51 | djszapi | matrixx: it is not just about the initial progressbar update. |
| 09:50.02 | djszapi | it is really very slow to get it actually updated in comparison with the flashing. |
| 09:50.05 | djszapi | not sure why. |
| 09:50.07 | djszapi | at least here. |
| 09:50.39 | djszapi | did not measure, but it was at least half an hour, I think. |
| 09:50.52 | gabriel9|work | should i remove some apps which will conflict with 1.2 |
| 09:51.08 | gabriel9|work | home screen seting, or live calenrad icon |
| 09:52.41 | jreznik | actually I have a problems downloading on wifi but it's usually good on 3g |
| 09:55.21 | deram | is there yet flashable image somewhere, if anything goes wrong with ota? |
| 09:56.39 | djszapi | jreznik: yeah, 3g worked here. |
| 09:56.56 | djszapi | (at least for the downloading) |
| 10:00.02 | djszapi | matrixx: yes, you are right, that was my first thinking too. It is probably not that thoroughly tested as the PR1.2. so I will downgrade it, too. |
| 10:01.10 | matrixx | I hope there is some official ways to downfrade :| |
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| 10:01.19 | matrixx | *downgrade |
| 10:02.23 | mgedmin | downgrade? isn't that impossible on a n9? |
| 10:02.35 | Aard | it works with r&d-certificates ;) |
| 10:02.44 | djszapi | matrixx: there is no official, but as a security expert, I may have something in the bag :P |
| 10:02.50 | mgedmin | all users are equal, but some are more equal than others |
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| 10:03.27 | denism | mgedmin: users with 'R&D certificates' are not users |
| 10:04.04 | mgedmin | recalls some older "if you know what a bugtracker is, you're not a user" discussions |
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| 10:08.17 | djszapi | it is not an R&D device, got it at the dev days, and was updated once to PR1.1 |
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| 10:13.28 | djszapi | jreznik: yes, that week version is the PR1.2 apparently: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/video-call.jpg |
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| 10:14.11 | decibyte | omg! is it really xmas today? |
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| 10:15.06 | SpeedEvil | No, that was two days ago. |
| 10:15.30 | matrixx | yey, update successful! |
| 10:15.40 | decibyte | SpeedEvil: haha |
| 10:16.12 | djszapi | leinir: it is sort of expected you do not have it yet because they spread it first in Scandinavia. |
| 10:16.17 | djszapi | should be in the UK soon :) |
| 10:16.24 | miroslav | Darn, I am waiting for it :-) |
| 10:17.13 | alterego | lol |
| 10:17.14 | decibyte | yeah! it's there! |
| 10:19.32 | alterego | Cool |
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| 10:26.50 | Appiah | is there offical changelog somewhere for PR1.2 ? |
| 10:28.20 | djszapi | not sure about an official one.. |
| 10:29.18 | CissWit | a/win f-f |
| 10:29.22 | CissWit | arf sorry |
| 10:29.34 | djszapi | wasn't/isn't it in the notification area what are the improvements ? |
| 10:29.57 | djszapi | I would personally like to see the changelog before updating. |
| 10:33.17 | decibyte | it recommends a backup. is it necessary or just in case? |
| 10:33.30 | djszapi | does not hurt to make one :) |
| 10:33.46 | Appiah | it hurts not to have backup when it's needed |
| 10:34.07 | decibyte | djszapi: of course not. it's just that it seems unable to create a backup. stops at ~40% |
| 10:34.13 | djszapi | at least I hope making backup is not a broken functionality :) |
| 10:34.30 | djszapi | decibyte: be patient. |
| 10:34.37 | djszapi | it is a typical t hing, progressbar stops altogether |
| 10:34.40 | djszapi | in other cases, too. |
| 10:34.59 | decibyte | okay. where can i download the patience app? |
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| 10:41.30 | Appiah | haha |
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| 10:55.29 | decibyte | djszapi: so, does 20+ minutes still require more patience? |
| 10:55.49 | djszapi | yes, of course. |
| 10:55.55 | decibyte | :/ |
| 10:56.29 | djszapi | I would wait at least one hour ... since it is about backup which is a very important thing ... |
| 11:04.57 | decibyte | djszapi: but there's almost no load in the device. seems to do absolutely nothing. |
| 11:05.34 | djszapi | well, then complain :) |
| 11:05.47 | jreznik | heh, something is wrong - it's really sloooow |
| 11:05.53 | decibyte | haha. i am now. |
| 11:05.58 | decibyte | but i'll give it an hour then |
| 11:06.08 | djszapi | I would complain only in one hour |
| 11:06.13 | djszapi | but that is just me. |
| 11:06.23 | djszapi | jreznik: the update is ultra sloooooow as I said :) |
| 11:06.25 | decibyte | i'll wait another ½ hour |
| 11:06.31 | djszapi | I wonder why, even a full reflash is faster. |
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| 11:06.36 | jreznik | djszapi: no, after update |
| 11:06.52 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
| 11:09.48 | jreznik | maybe it was still indexing something, tracker etc. - now it works nice |
| 11:10.09 | djszapi | jreznik: as for me it was okay after the update. How long was the update for you ? |
| 11:10.16 | djszapi | how many MBs did it download btw ? |
| 11:11.00 | jreznik | approx 290 or something similar |
| 11:11.32 | jreznik | no, it's still somehow laggy - swipe is about 10 fps... |
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| 11:25.31 | miroslav | Is there already a link for the full reflash download? |
| 11:27.44 | djszapi | prolly not. |
| 11:32.34 | miroslav | Too bad. |
| 11:32.55 | miroslav | Leaving for a 4 day trip tonight, I would rather download it before :-) |
| 11:33.08 | qronic | what happens to N950 owners? are they gonna get full PR1.2 of they eventually will get PR1.3 beta? |
| 11:43.30 | rZr | djszapi: so was it easy ? |
| 11:44.04 | djszapi | rZr: it was simpler for me than the essential. |
| 11:44.54 | rZr | djszapi: i am currious to check is public ? |
| 11:45.28 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
| 11:46.09 | rZr | the exam |
| 11:46.21 | rZr | i am curious to see the questions |
| 11:46.41 | djszapi | no, it is not ... the person, taking the exam, is not even allowed to disclose any questions... |
| 11:47.23 | rZr | ok |
| 11:47.34 | rZr | next subject : https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 |
| 11:47.39 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 |
| 11:49.32 | rZr | btw |
| 11:49.34 | rZr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/redak# redak : #TexT #EditoR for #MeeGo #HarmattaN is alpha stage but more fingers friendly than #vi @n950club / #n9 |
| 11:55.41 | Tronic | How about a good terminal program? |
| 11:56.17 | Tronic | I recall there was some open source effort at that (mgterminal?) but I haven't heard anything of it recently. |
| 11:56.28 | djszapi | terminal != editor |
| 11:56.43 | djszapi | but yes, there was a source code friendly editor in plan. IIRC khteditor ? |
| 11:56.58 | Tronic | doesn't need an editor. |
| 11:58.19 | djszapi | rZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ? |
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| 11:59.07 | Tronic | In the current firmware the Nokia terminal is awfully buggy (rotation / vkbds) and it doesn't support URL clicking. |
| 11:59.54 | djszapi | rotation/vkbd works here. |
| 12:02.19 | tabasko | so, it would be tomorrow Nokia pushes upgrade to Harmattan? :) |
| 12:02.23 | kozzi | is it nornal that tools dialog now have a dark frane aroynd them? |
| 12:02.30 | kozzi | in the pr1.2 |
| 12:02.46 | Tronic | There are multiple bugs on N950 that are difficult to explain, and these appeared with the PR1.2 beta firmware. |
| 12:02.53 | tabasko | kozzi: where did you get pr1.2 already? :P ::drool |
| 12:03.04 | kozzi | Finland this morning |
| 12:03.26 | Tronic | kozzi: Which device? |
| 12:03.36 | kozzi | n9 64gb black |
| 12:03.54 | decibyte | djszapi: how should i feel about this? http://blackfin.cannedtuna.org/partial-backup.png |
| 12:03.55 | tabasko | kozzi: my n9 doesnt know about 1.2 yet :/ |
| 12:04.34 | kozzi | go to appkucation manager |
| 12:04.41 | kozzi | and do an update |
| 12:04.57 | kozzi | that s how I got mine |
| 12:05.09 | kozzi | application, |
| 12:05.35 | matrixx | the update removes appsformeego client and repository apparently :( |
| 12:05.37 | tabasko | kozzi: wohoo, thanks :P |
| 12:05.47 | tabasko | I should have tried that |
| 12:05.51 | kozzi | np :) |
| 12:06.12 | tabasko | kozzi: did you have any tweaks enabled, like landscape, faster animations? |
| 12:06.33 | kozzi | yup, i have faster animations |
| 12:06.39 | kozzi | all gone |
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| 12:07.01 | tabasko | nah, I hope it is worth it :) |
| 12:07.11 | kozzi | I'm glad that statusbar clock tweak still work |
| 12:08.40 | tabasko | I have waited for those folders soo long |
| 12:10.03 | kozzi | i have been waiting for copy paste |
| 12:10.19 | kozzi | and glad that it works nicely |
| 12:10.27 | matrixx | I love the folders stuff, now all icons are visible without panning :) |
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| 12:13.21 | kozzi | I hope that someone will implement DLNA to the share feature |
| 12:14.00 | Corsac | pft, my n9 is in warranty repair :( |
| 12:14.12 | kozzi | imagine sending a media file to the tv without touching tv remote would be awesome |
| 12:16.27 | jreznik | has tried DLNA with PS3 - I can list device files but that's all |
| 12:19.04 | marsje | does anyone here use IMAP? I was wondering how I can have N9 save sent items in a Sent folder |
| 12:19.10 | rZr | back |
| 12:19.22 | rZr | 12:57 < djszapi> rZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ? |
| 12:19.26 | rZr | that one start |
| 12:20.00 | jreznik | likes how n9 is not amoled friendly |
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| 12:21.40 | mgedmin | amoled friendly? what's that? |
| 12:22.46 | decibyte | can anybody help me clear this out: http://blackfin.cannedtuna.org/partial-backup.png -- is the right interpretation that the backup process itself fucked up and nothing probably got backed up? |
| 12:23.18 | RST38h | he means light theme |
| 12:23.32 | RST38h | which of course can be switched to the dark theme |
| 12:23.50 | jreznik | mgedmin: black backgrounds in app manager and other places - should help battery... |
| 12:24.30 | jreznik | and woo, mfe sync works again for me |
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| 12:27.55 | Corsac | marsje: it does that by default but there was bug in selecting the (remote) sent folder so sometimes it failed to detect it and used a local one |
| 12:28.08 | Corsac | marsje: it's supposed to be better in pr1.2 but I can't test :( |
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| 12:30.04 | djszapi | rZr: what do you mean ? |
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| 12:33.37 | phako | jreznik: images should work at least |
| 12:33.42 | phako | jreznik: DLNA + PS3 |
| 12:33.59 | phako | jreznik: videos + audio are a bit more complext |
| 12:34.05 | phako | -t |
| 12:34.37 | rZr | djszapi: ktheditor is not supporting current firmware AFAIK |
| 12:35.30 | djszapi | rZr: why not make it work instead of reinventing ? :) |
| 12:35.43 | djszapi | afair, it had cool syntax highlighting and other features. |
| 12:36.01 | jreznik | phako: nothing worked at all but I'll try to retest with current 1.2 |
| 12:36.24 | phako | jreznik: with what else did you try? |
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| 12:36.35 | gri | does anyone here see a sense in porting applications back to maemo5? Should I try or let it be? :) |
| 12:36.46 | jreznik | phako: some older 1.2 on n950 |
| 12:36.54 | phako | jreznik: odd. we test against PS3 regularly. |
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| 12:38.10 | jreznik | phako: ah, I'll try it again later today - any possibility to get a debug logs etc. to help you in case it wouldn't work? |
| 12:39.51 | phako | jreznik: a tcpdump would be nice if possible |
| 12:39.59 | phako | which I rather doubt on release images |
| 12:40.56 | jreznik | and to get logs from ps3... :) |
| 12:43.50 | phako | well just checked, works for me. What firmware has your PS3? |
| 12:46.02 | djszapi | gri: why not to diablo ? :) |
| 12:46.22 | marsje | Corsac: I'm eagerly awaiting pr1.2 then... |
| 12:46.27 | gri | djszapi: Too old and I don't have a phone with that |
| 12:46.43 | djszapi | would be way more fun :D |
| 12:46.47 | gri | djszapi: I would also try a symbian port but Qt Ambassador has not sent me a device yet |
| 12:47.16 | jreznik | phako: ok, I'll check it with n9 and latest ps3 firmware (updated yesterday) |
| 12:48.23 | gabriel9|work | update is slow :/ |
| 12:48.30 | djszapi | +1 |
| 12:49.04 | gabriel9|work | just sit there on 0% |
| 12:49.17 | djszapi | gabriel9|work: it jumped to 22% at some point here. |
| 12:49.24 | gabriel9|work | :D |
| 12:49.24 | djszapi | so please be patient :) |
| 12:49.32 | gabriel9|work | well it is going and i am happy |
| 12:50.24 | gri | has no update, norway product code does not seem to have received it yet :) |
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| 12:57.16 | leinir | gri: yeah, they're number 9 in the series of devices that gets updates... PR1.1_009 ;) |
| 12:58.09 | rZr | gri: so you know a bit symbian ? |
| 12:58.35 | rZr | gri: i'll need to figure out how to sign stuff etc |
| 12:58.59 | gri | rZr: No, never had a symbian phone nor I do know anyone with one :) |
| 12:59.11 | rZr | 1st to make sure publishing a free opensource app , will it cost money ? |
| 12:59.26 | Sazpaimon | I kinda want that Nokia 808 |
| 12:59.29 | rZr | gri: i can test your stuff on e7 if its opensouce |
| 12:59.31 | Sazpaimon | even if it is symbian |
| 12:59.32 | xmlich02 | in my case is the update interrupting )-; |
| 12:59.36 | Sazpaimon | that's an awesome looking device |
| 13:00.08 | rZr | no hw kb |
| 13:00.16 | rZr | well i am gone later guys |
| 13:00.35 | gri | rZr: publishing should be the same as for harmattan - 1 for account creation, that's it? |
| 13:01.07 | Sazpaimon | rZr, its an N8 successor |
| 13:01.11 | rZr | harmattan doesnt rely on ovi |
| 13:01.13 | Sazpaimon | and a damn sexy one at that |
| 13:01.31 | Sazpaimon | unless you werent talking to me whnoops |
| 13:02.17 | rZr | later |
| 13:04.08 | alterego | Erm, something has caused my personal N9 to go into warranty void mode. |
| 13:04.09 | alterego | ffs |
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| 13:06.39 | alterego | Well, at least it's still running .. |
| 13:11.47 | gabriel9|work | 69% :) |
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| 13:15.08 | alterego | I think this is going to need a reflash. |
| 13:15.26 | alterego | I'm getting the warranty void warning and a load of my apps don't have icons. |
| 13:16.41 | gabriel9|work | i hope my will be ok |
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| 13:16.56 | alterego | I'm sure it's because I'm a freak :P |
| 13:17.32 | Appiah | warranty void mode? what? |
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| 13:23.27 | merlin1991 | silly translation width errors |
| 13:23.39 | merlin1991 | the dowanloading text overlaps with the mb counter in a german locale |
| 13:27.43 | gabriel9|work | all is ok, but slow |
| 13:27.50 | gabriel9|work | nice sine wallpapers |
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| 13:30.03 | decibyte | is it possible to do the update via the terminal? e.g. apt-get? |
| 13:35.07 | xmlich02 | The update is not working for me. I have seen about 20 times error message "device update interrupted" )-; (it is not working via gprs nor via wifi) |
| 13:35.35 | flux | decibyte, the wisdom is: don't do it |
| 13:35.47 | flux | decibyte, apt-get doesn't do the same things as the system upgrade tool does |
| 13:35.52 | decibyte | i get the same error as xmlich02, but it's after download, during actual update (that stays at 0%) |
| 13:35.59 | decibyte | flux: i won't then :) thanks. |
| 13:36.39 | decibyte | it's been at 0% for a long time now, without ther "interrupted" message. guess that's a good sign. |
| 13:37.26 | flux | I'm planning to reboot my device before doing the update.. |
| 13:37.31 | xmlich02 | I have seen also message, can't complete the download. Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later. |
| 13:38.05 | decibyte | interrupted again :( |
| 13:38.14 | itsnotabigtruck | what is "the update" |
| 13:38.16 | itsnotabigtruck | PR1.2? |
| 13:38.24 | flux | yes |
| 13:38.25 | itsnotabigtruck | yep |
| 13:38.44 | jreznik | xmlich02: servers are probably overloaded... it's good to be the first updater :) I see it while updating the games as slow it is now |
| 13:39.13 | itsnotabigtruck | ffs, it's not on navifirm |
| 13:39.25 | jreznik | it's ota only |
| 13:40.14 | rdnzl | decibyte: same here :/ |
| 13:41.44 | itsnotabigtruck | jreznik: that's not good enough since that means i'm hosed if i need to flash :( |
| 13:44.04 | gabriel9|work | do we have video calls now? |
| 13:44.13 | gabriel9|work | any video calls? :) |
| 13:45.08 | qronic | decibyte, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34671#post34671 |
| 13:45.31 | qronic | it helped me out |
| 13:48.25 | qronic | damn, just got a scary red warning about interruptinted update on 56% |
| 13:48.30 | mece | uh oh |
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| 13:48.39 | qronic | not it's "rescuing software update" in red on nokia logo |
| 13:48.53 | qronic | WTH? |
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| 16:36.51 | jpwhiting | though I do send out AvatarUpdated when I know the token |
| 16:43.00 | Sazpaimon | jpwhiting, are you using glib or qt |
| 16:43.17 | tbf_ | jpwhiting, the plugin only asks for the local filename, that's created by libtelepathy-qt when caching the avatar |
| 16:43.22 | tbf_ | jpwhiting, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/Connection_Interface_Avatars.html#Method:RequestAvatars |
| 16:43.38 | jpwhiting | tbf_: yep, just deleted the cache and found it is calling RequestAvatars after that |
| 16:43.44 | jpwhiting | Sazpaimon: glib |
| 16:43.52 | jpwhiting | tp-qt doesn't support creating a cm yet |
| 16:43.59 | jpwhiting | but will at some point I hear |
| 16:44.11 | Sazpaimon | i thought it did, it just wraps around glib functions |
| 16:44.18 | Sazpaimon | doesnt it? |
| 16:44.30 | jpwhiting | no, it doesn't wrap glib functions |
| 16:44.42 | jpwhiting | and it doesn't have support for implementing your own cm either |
| 16:44.56 | jpwhiting | or if it does it's not very in depth yet |
| 16:44.59 | Sazpaimon | must be thinking of something else |
| 16:45.13 | Sazpaimon | maybe accounts-qt |
| 16:45.17 | jpwhiting | ah, maybe |
| 16:46.28 | Sazpaimon | jpwhiting, are you just making a cm or are you making an account plugin too? |
| 16:46.31 | Sazpaimon | out of curiosity |
| 16:46.49 | jpwhiting | we made an account plugin also, but it's just a couple xml files |
| 16:46.54 | jpwhiting | .provider and .service iirc |
| 16:46.58 | Sazpaimon | ah so youre just using the generic plugin |
| 16:47.03 | jpwhiting | yep, exactly |
| 16:47.20 | Sazpaimon | i have a project I'm sitting on that I need to utilize the signon library to do credential checking before passing it off to telepathy |
| 16:47.34 | Sazpaimon | and i cant find any good sample code to help me figure it out |
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| 16:48.33 | tbf_ | <tbf_> jpwhiting, by looking at the tpqt4 code: guess you'll also have to emit AvatarRetrieved() ? |
| 16:48.35 | tbf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.38 | jpwhiting | we weren't able to find any good examples of using the signon library either |
| 16:48.38 | tbf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.43 | tbf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.45 | tbf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.14 | jpwhiting | tbf_: yep, I see that now, I do send that out, I think my problem here is that RequestAvatars is called before the tokens are known |
| 16:49.31 | jpwhiting | I'll get it sorted out though, deleting the cache triggered what I expected before |
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| 16:50.06 | tbf_ | jpwhiting, cann't you just cache the old avatar tokens? |
| 16:50.24 | jpwhiting | yeah, I probably should |
| 16:50.32 | tbf_ | jpwhiting: and update them with real values as soon as you really know them |
| 16:51.01 | tbf_ | jpwhiting: after all this entire avatar and presence and contactinfo thing is highly async and therefore up-to-date only by chance anyway |
| 16:51.13 | Sazpaimon | yeah it would be nice if nokia published the source code for even genericplugin |
| 16:51.21 | Sazpaimon | and some signon-ui examples |
| 16:51.24 | Sazpaimon | but nope |
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| 16:51.32 | jpwhiting | tbf_: yeah, I found my problem, /me thinks how to fix it |
| 16:52.01 | Sazpaimon | and i really don't want to do credential checking in the account plugin itself |
| 16:52.06 | Sazpaimon | thats just a kludge |
| 16:52.35 | tbf_ | mardy: can you help Sazpaimon with implementing account plugins? |
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| 16:52.53 | tbf_ | Sazpaimon: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon that's not complete? |
| 16:53.50 | Sazpaimon | hm |
| 16:53.59 | Sazpaimon | that signonclient.cpp example might be good to look at |
| 16:54.26 | tbf_ | Sazpaimon: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2 |
| 16:54.31 | tbf_ | this seems to be a complete plugin |
| 16:54.52 | Sazpaimon | i was looking at this |
| 16:54.52 | Sazpaimon | http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon/blobs/master/src/example/signonclient.cpp |
| 16:54.57 | Sazpaimon | as more of a UI sample |
| 16:55.09 | Sazpaimon | because I wanted to abandon my QML-based account plugin |
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| 16:57.55 | djszapi | jonni: ping |
| 16:58.11 | jonni | djszapi: pong |
| 16:58.35 | djszapi | jonni: I localized the issue about the reboot app |
| 16:58.40 | djszapi | please let us discuss it in private |
| 16:58.52 | djszapi | I have a very simple workhorse representing the issue :) |
| 17:00.19 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: are you on 1.2 yet? |
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| 17:06.02 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, yep |
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| 17:14.16 | jonni | font change is the biggest change that quite many apps need to fix their layouts. I've already fixed my apps for PR1.2 few feeks ago. |
| 17:15.12 | itsnotabigtruck | how long did it take for the flash image to arrive for PR1.1 after the initial rollout |
| 17:15.52 | Sazpaimon | what exactly is the font change |
| 17:15.53 | jonni | 1-2 weeks or so |
| 17:16.00 | Sazpaimon | i can see some fonts look different |
| 17:16.03 | Sazpaimon | but i cant see how |
| 17:16.12 | Sazpaimon | are they just using pure on more places? |
| 17:16.16 | jonni | it looks about the same, but margins differ a bit |
| 17:16.30 | jonni | or spacing |
| 17:17.49 | jonni | like this http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/05/font-change-part-3-flexible-ui-layouts |
| 17:18.27 | itsnotabigtruck | 1 or 2 *weeks*? :/ |
| 17:20.36 | jonni | that was on pr1.1, I have no idea what it will be on pr1.2 |
| 17:21.38 | Jare | does the backup contain all contacts and messages? |
| 17:22.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm just worried because sw cert downgrade blocking + no flash image available = really bad combination |
| 17:22.22 | itsnotabigtruck | better image my phone once i'm done with this |
| 17:23.50 | Jare | nevermind, found the folder |
| 17:28.57 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep might sound dangerous, carefull people would not do ssu yet, but wait for few weeks to see if anyone has problems. I ssu'ed today without problems though. |
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| 17:30.26 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: i'm not worried about the update itself being dangerous, i'm worried about there being no easy way to get back to an operational system if something gets screwed up later |
| 17:31.29 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep in case of malf, it might be safer to wait for bin and not to ssu yet. |
| 17:33.16 | Sazpaimon | I dont understand the price jump between 8GB and 4GB laptop ram |
| 17:33.30 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: density |
| 17:33.35 | Sazpaimon | I can pay $40 for 2 4GB sticks |
| 17:33.36 | itsnotabigtruck | higher density = more expensive |
| 17:33.43 | Sazpaimon | and $90 for 1 8GB stick |
| 17:33.53 | jonni | heh I dont understand the 100% price jump in 2TB hdd's :=) |
| 17:34.00 | jpwhiting | hmm, does meego not support bmp file format? |
| 17:34.06 | jonni | ohwell I can understand that its because of the floods |
| 17:34.10 | jpwhiting | the avatars I'm getting are bmp, but don't appear |
| 17:34.31 | jpwhiting | wget on my pc to get the bmp file, it opens on the pc, but then scp onto the N9 it wont open :/ |
| 17:35.31 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 17:35.37 | ZogG_laptop | sup guys |
| 17:36.17 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: wondering about package signatures you post, so now i can't install any deb from net? |
| 17:36.30 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: yeah, you can |
| 17:36.38 | ZogG_laptop | good |
| 17:36.40 | itsnotabigtruck | but you can't install any deb from an APT repository |
| 17:36.47 | itsnotabigtruck | unless that APT repository is a) signed |
| 17:36.59 | ZogG_laptop | oh, sucks but i use only official and apps4meego |
| 17:37.03 | itsnotabigtruck | b) just right as to not trigger the bug |
| 17:37.13 | ZogG_laptop | guys, need advice, should i change from 005 to 001? |
| 17:37.25 | itsnotabigtruck | and apparently some figures at nokia are pretending this is a security measure, and not a change gone wrong |
| 17:37.31 | itsnotabigtruck | so don't get your hopes up for it being corrected |
| 17:37.44 | ZogG_laptop | wontfix as always |
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| 17:38.12 | itsnotabigtruck | for example OBS repositories even if unsigned don't trip the bug |
| 17:38.13 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.1 |
| 17:38.18 | Sazpaimon | no issues with getting PR1.2 |
| 17:38.23 | itsnotabigtruck | which is fortunate, because OBS's built-in signing feature doesn't work |
| 17:38.36 | itsnotabigtruck | it requires special configuration that the c-obs admins didn't do |
| 17:39.05 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: good, i can do it with nsu as i understand |
| 17:39.15 | Sazpaimon | I did it OTA |
| 17:39.21 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: don't think you can use NSU to change variants, but you can use flasher |
| 17:39.23 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: how |
| 17:39.27 | itsnotabigtruck | but there's no flasher image for 1.2 |
| 17:39.36 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is howto in pr1.2 thread |
| 17:39.39 | itsnotabigtruck | also, you can't change to a lower variant, if you aren't upgrading the version at the same time |
| 17:39.40 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.1 |
| 17:39.46 | Sazpaimon | then when PR1.2 came out i just did it OTA |
| 17:39.52 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: how you changed to global? |
| 17:40.01 | Sazpaimon | just flash it with the global PR1.1 firmware |
| 17:40.06 | itsnotabigtruck | so e.g. 1.0 005 -> 1.1 001 is ok |
| 17:40.07 | Sazpaimon | using navifirm |
| 17:40.08 | ZogG_laptop | now i get it |
| 17:40.13 | itsnotabigtruck | 1.1 005 -> 1.1 001 is not ok |
| 17:40.22 | Sazpaimon | ah yeah |
| 17:40.29 | Sazpaimon | because it's going to a lower version number |
| 17:40.38 | ZogG_laptop | btw how does it work? |
| 17:40.39 | Sazpaimon | if you're already on PR1.1 you're out of luck |
| 17:40.42 | ZogG_laptop | i mean why can't i |
| 17:40.43 | itsnotabigtruck | that's kind of a problem, because most people with this problem are on 1.1 00x |
| 17:40.50 | ZogG_laptop | is it software only issue |
| 17:41.03 | itsnotabigtruck | which means you have to wait for it to release on other variants, or wait for the flasher image |
| 17:41.04 | Sazpaimon | nokia's flasher doesn't allow you to flash witha version lower than what you have |
| 17:41.23 | ZogG_laptop | or something that they change in more deeper levels (like iOS thing with modem updates when u can't downgrade and so on) |
| 17:41.24 | Sazpaimon | but i reccomend when PR1.2 comes out on navifirm, flash with the global variant |
| 17:41.45 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: any profit from it? |
| 17:41.54 | Sazpaimon | you'll get PR1.3 faster |
| 17:41.59 | Sazpaimon | as in, the day it comes out |
| 17:42.08 | Sazpaimon | assuming PR1.3 comes out |
| 17:42.23 | itsnotabigtruck | what's the battery minimum in order to execute a flash |
| 17:42.25 | ZogG_laptop | it would the question how many wontfix and what about 1.4 |
| 17:42.35 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like i'm at 40% now |
| 17:42.37 | ZogG_laptop | as 1.3 is just bugfix for 1.2 nd already there are tests |
| 17:43.05 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it wouldn't matter so much if there were more open source components |
| 17:43.18 | itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan is the most closed maemo yet :( |
| 17:43.31 | Sazpaimon | so why are nokia labeling their versions with m7 now |
| 17:43.42 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i think that stands for milestone, not maemo |
| 17:43.46 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the 7th iteration |
| 17:43.56 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, well its always gone with maemo iteration |
| 17:43.56 | itsnotabigtruck | pr1.0 was probably m5 |
| 17:44.03 | Sazpaimon | 1.0 was m6 |
| 17:44.04 | hiemanshu_ | anyone tried video calling yet with skype? |
| 17:44.05 | Sazpaimon | i think |
| 17:44.16 | itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu_: i thought skype doesn't have video calling |
| 17:44.20 | itsnotabigtruck | jingle does |
| 17:44.22 | itsnotabigtruck | er, gtalk |
| 17:44.27 | itsnotabigtruck | (on pr1.2 that is) |
| 17:44.29 | hiemanshu_ | itsnotabigtruck: I thought 1.2 added it |
| 17:45.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, i think 41% ought to be enough for reflashing 1.1 |
| 17:45.46 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta2_content_comparison.html |
| 17:46.08 | Sazpaimon | beta2 is PR1.0 iirc |
| 17:46.18 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, beta3 is |
| 17:46.28 | Sazpaimon | beta3 is PR1.1 i though |
| 17:46.32 | Sazpaimon | because there's no beta4 |
| 17:46.35 | itsnotabigtruck | nope |
| 17:46.46 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why the SDK is out of date compared to pr1.1 |
| 17:46.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and nokia won't do anything about that either |
| 17:46.53 | Sazpaimon | well either way |
| 17:47.00 | Sazpaimon | the packages there are all m6 |
| 17:47.17 | Sazpaimon | so pre-1.0 and 1.0 and 1.1 were all m6 |
| 17:47.19 | itsnotabigtruck | is more than a little bit pissed about that after spending a few hours attempting to make my source package build |
| 17:47.22 | Sazpaimon | and now they're suddenly m7 |
| 17:48.33 | ZogG_laptop | btw does it has this stupid one by one apps install? |
| 17:49.07 | Sazpaimon | so I guess we should start calling Pr1.2 maemo 7 |
| 17:49.11 | Sazpaimon | (no) |
| 17:49.52 | jonni | with ssu, you dont need to reinstall. different case with full flash and backup&restore, which is not avail yet. |
| 17:51.24 | itsnotabigtruck | weird...flasher says i have 26% battery, lpsmagic said i had 40% or so |
| 17:53.13 | ZogG_laptop | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1170422&postcount=47 |
| 17:53.14 | Sazpaimon | harmattan has really weird battery indicators |
| 17:53.17 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: ^ |
| 17:53.26 | Sazpaimon | ive had it go from 1% to 20% without even charging |
| 17:53.27 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: nsu is actually flash not? |
| 17:53.42 | Sazpaimon | last time I used NSU was with symbian |
| 17:53.50 | Sazpaimon | and that was before they did OTA updates |
| 17:54.10 | Sazpaimon | running nokia link to back your phone up isnt the most difficult thing in the world |
| 17:54.14 | Sazpaimon | in fact its super simple |
| 17:54.23 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, phone status = cleansed, now time to update |
| 17:54.53 | ZogG_laptop | ok reboot to windows |
| 17:55.29 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep NSU is full flash .bin images, but most likely it takes a while before NSU images are available |
| 17:57.19 | itsnotabigtruck | oh btw has anyone attempted to initiate the update with calendarrr installed? |
| 17:57.33 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm curious about what happens when there's a dependency conflict with an update package |
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| 18:00.18 | pa | is there still someone who hasnt got 1.2 officially? |
| 18:00.27 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: a lot of people |
| 18:00.28 | jpwhiting | hasn't |
| 18:00.31 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone in non-001 regions |
| 18:00.31 | pa | do i get from Manage applications -> check updates? |
| 18:00.44 | jpwhiting | hasn't tried though |
| 18:00.44 | itsnotabigtruck | 001 = western europe, latin america, maybe a few others |
| 18:00.57 | Sazpaimon | 001 is pretty much global |
| 18:01.13 | pa | is norway 001? |
| 18:01.13 | jaywink | only got it after checking via the manage applications ... don't wait for it to pop up ... |
| 18:01.41 | Sazpaimon | 001 is labeled as ROW for firmware images |
| 18:01.45 | Sazpaimon | ROW = "rest of world" |
| 18:01.50 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: some countries have special country variant firmware that could be a problem too |
| 18:02.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Downloading: 0 kB :/ |
| 18:02.14 | pa | but can i flash with a 001 firmware somehow? (and thus debrand the phone) |
| 18:02.18 | Sazpaimon | basically, anyone that doesnt get a specific country variant |
| 18:02.23 | Sazpaimon | pa, you can if you have PR1.0 |
| 18:02.34 | pa | ups.. i updated to 1.1... |
| 18:02.48 | Sazpaimon | PR1.1 001 firmware is the lowest verson number for PR1.1 |
| 18:02.59 | pa | ah right |
| 18:03.06 | pa | but then can i flash with pr1.2 001? |
| 18:03.08 | Sazpaimon | so if you have PR1.1 for another variant, flasher wont let you do it because it'd be considered a "downgrade" |
| 18:03.16 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: yep, but you can't flash pr1.2 at all yet |
| 18:03.18 | itsnotabigtruck | only SSU |
| 18:03.22 | pa | allright |
| 18:03.27 | pa | so i should wait to update |
| 18:03.41 | pa | would it debrand my phone? |
| 18:03.41 | rm_work | i still need to update my n950 from the firmware it shipped with |
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| 18:03.45 | itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to update your phone if you *really* want to, but it's complicated and you shouldn't do that |
| 18:03.56 | Sazpaimon | you can always go to a nokia store and request a downgrade |
| 18:04.03 | Sazpaimon | they have the hardware to do that |
| 18:04.11 | rm_work | is there a better backup method yet for contacts / SMS logs / etc? |
| 18:04.21 | pa | and, by the way, it restore it to factory default, and delete all the applications, right? if i will flash with 1.2 0+01 |
| 18:04.24 | Sazpaimon | rm_work, nokia link works pretty well |
| 18:04.38 | rm_work | Sazpaimon: via PC? |
| 18:04.44 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
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| 18:04.50 | rm_work | does that actually work properly for backup of contacts for beta2? |
| 18:04.59 | rm_work | or rather |
| 18:05.01 | rm_work | beta1 |
| 18:05.01 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: yeah, flashing removes all apps |
| 18:05.02 | Sazpaimon | its worked for me on my N9 |
| 18:05.07 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a good idea anyway, have a clean start |
| 18:05.12 | rm_work | i never even did the beta2 upgrade |
| 18:05.19 | itsnotabigtruck | i went and reset my n9 to a clean pr1.1 install before initiating the ota upgrade |
| 18:05.25 | pa | then i will do that :) thanks for the advice |
| 18:05.38 | pa | i anyway have no messages or other stuff yet |
| 18:05.41 | pa | waiting for my microsim |
| 18:05.51 | rm_work | I may just have to give up and do the PR1.1 flash and lose all my data <_< |
| 18:06.12 | rm_work | my phone is practically useless now, can't send and receive calls 75% of the time because of that UI bug |
| 18:06.29 | itsnotabigtruck | rm_work: what bug is that? |
| 18:06.34 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, don't fear the flasher |
| 18:06.40 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 18:06.54 | rm_work | and it dies after 4 hours or so because the messageserver process gets stuck at 100% CPU |
| 18:06.57 | rm_work | and drains it |
| 18:07.20 | rm_work | i have to constantly watch top and kill it whenever it happens |
| 18:07.32 | rm_work | itsnotabigtruck: the phone app is just a black screen |
| 18:07.55 | rm_work | no answer/decline call buttons on incoming calls, and no hangup button or onscreen numpad on outgoing calls |
| 18:08.01 | rm_work | so i also can't check my voicemail |
| 18:08.02 | itsnotabigtruck | weird... |
| 18:08.08 | rm_work | it was a common bug |
| 18:08.22 | rm_work | but everyone else has flashed up to the official firmware by now |
| 18:08.32 | rm_work | N950 had a pre-release beta firmware |
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| 18:08.46 | rm_work | if you have an N9 you probably never had to deal with this |
| 18:09.12 | beford | hi e-yes, nice progress on nitdroid for n9 |
| 18:09.29 | pa | in general however, do you think it is reasonable to have dual boot meego+android (when it will be available) on a 16gb n9? |
| 18:09.45 | pa | or the space is too little? |
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| 18:11.00 | e-yes | beford, thx |
| 18:11.09 | e-yes | pa, I have 16gb version |
| 18:11.23 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: i don't think it would be a problem if you don't mind having little storage space for multimedia and maps |
| 18:11.26 | pa | thats reassuring :) |
| 18:11.30 | e-yes | home partition is about 2gb, isn't it?:) |
| 18:11.39 | pa | something like that |
| 18:11.52 | pa | but where does android go? user data partition? |
| 18:12.05 | itsnotabigtruck | w000000 flashtime |
| 18:12.31 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, no i dont mind.. i also have hopes in g-drive |
| 18:12.51 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to repart the phone, the standard partition layout is inefficient |
| 18:15.58 | pa | by the way, i read 1.2 improves the camera app.. how? |
| 18:17.31 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: continuous shot mode |
| 18:17.39 | pa | ah, thats it? |
| 18:17.40 | itsnotabigtruck | you can hold down the shutter and take a zillion pictures |
| 18:17.40 | pa | hmm |
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| 18:24.56 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 18:25.22 | ZogG_laptop | anyone can help me with NSS |
| 18:26.31 | ieatlint | we need panorama for the n9 |
| 18:26.51 | pa | that too |
| 18:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: that's nemesis service suite, right? |
| 18:27.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think NSS's pc change feature works on any modern nokias |
| 18:27.14 | ieatlint | also, a 41mp camera phone is ridiculous |
| 18:27.30 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, yeah |
| 18:27.38 | beford | and with symbian? :P |
| 18:27.51 | pa | what about atom phones? will battery last 1h? :) |
| 18:27.52 | ieatlint | actually i prefer it symbian over wp7 |
| 18:28.20 | ieatlint | hey, that's mean, it'll last at least 3h |
| 18:28.27 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, http://my-meego.com/faq/showquestion.php?fldAuto=22&faq=1 |
| 18:28.27 | itsnotabigtruck | 28% :/ |
| 18:28.33 | itsnotabigtruck | flashing my phone takes 2 minutes |
| 18:28.42 | itsnotabigtruck | SSUing it takes 45 mins |
| 18:29.20 | djszapi | yes, that is what I also noted yesterday. |
| 18:30.44 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: hmm, guess it does work then |
| 18:31.03 | itsnotabigtruck | then NSS+NSU is probably the most user friendly way to do it, though the downgrade restriction still applies |
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| 18:32.12 | ZogG_laptop | i want to change code first |
| 18:33.50 | pa | anyway, why meltemi? whats wrong with harmattan? |
| 18:34.23 | petteri | does PR1.2 have video call support, I can't seem to find it |
| 18:34.48 | itsnotabigtruck | petteri: yep, but not for skype |
| 18:34.58 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: because harmattan is for expensive phones and meltemi is for cheapo phones |
| 18:34.59 | petteri | itsnotabigtruck: so where it is? |
| 18:35.13 | itsnotabigtruck | petteri: good question |
| 18:35.19 | itsnotabigtruck | well, my SSU is halfway finished so i can't tell you |
| 18:35.20 | petteri | i don't really care about skype |
| 18:35.43 | itsnotabigtruck | i think it works on gtalk conversations |
| 18:35.57 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, doesnt sound like a good explanation... |
| 18:36.13 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: well, remember that meltemi is the new series 40 |
| 18:36.19 | petteri | itsnotabigtruck: i have two N9 here in front of me, but i really can't find it |
| 18:36.41 | pa | well still.. why not using harmattan.. they have it already. whats the point of letting it die and making a new one? |
| 18:36.43 | petteri | with PR1.2 installed on both and online with gtalk |
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| 18:39.21 | itsnotabigtruck | 55% woooooooo |
| 18:39.33 | itsnotabigtruck | this is 30 mins in |
| 18:39.46 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like my exaggerated estimate was actually an underestimate |
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| 18:45.42 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, it's done at T=1245h |
| 18:45.50 | itsnotabigtruck | that's about 30 mins on the dot |
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| 18:49.10 | trx | does anyone besides me have trouble with sending SMS on their N950? (Just says "Sending failed") |
| 18:49.23 | arcean | nope |
| 18:49.27 | trx | i can receive messages just fine tho.. |
| 18:49.43 | arcean | really strange |
| 18:50.41 | trx | yeah.. i never tried to send any messages until a week ago, thats when i noticed |
| 18:50.51 | trx | google doesn't seem to know anything.. |
| 18:50.51 | e-yes | pa, all-in-one-partition solution (like n900) |
| 18:51.17 | arcean | trx, and you're running PR 1.2 ? |
| 18:51.24 | itsnotabigtruck | what's the best way to image the rootfs |
| 18:51.24 | trx | yes |
| 18:52.27 | pa | e-yes, meaning the phone must be repartitioned? i dont know how it was in n900.. never had a smartphone before :) |
| 18:52.44 | pa | (i got this one before it was too late and all the production would be moved to asia) |
| 18:53.48 | e-yes | pa, repartioning is optional (only if you prefer dedicated partition for it) |
| 18:54.08 | e-yes | i use mmcblk0p3 (home) |
| 18:54.27 | itsnotabigtruck | e-yes: check out the sparsify program i posted on TMO |
| 18:54.47 | e-yes | itsnotabigtruck, what is it? |
| 18:55.05 | itsnotabigtruck | it converts an ext4 image into a flashable rootfs image |
| 18:55.16 | itsnotabigtruck | you feed it into fiasco-gen with a layout file |
| 18:55.23 | itsnotabigtruck | the layout file controls the emmc partitioning |
| 18:55.48 | itsnotabigtruck | you could use it to resize the rootfs and flash it into a modified partition layout |
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| 18:58.44 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone have any ideas about that rootfs imaging? |
| 18:58.55 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm looking for something more elegant than dd :p |
| 19:01.51 | ZogG_laptop | NSS doesn't find any device |
| 19:02.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: put it in sync and connect mode |
| 19:02.25 | ZogG_laptop | i did |
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| 19:09.43 | itsnotabigtruck | no ideas on the rootfs? |
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| 19:11.29 | itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/9rRdD.jpg |
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| 19:24.24 | xmlich02_ | hi, have anyone also problem to update harmattan? |
| 19:24.42 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: so orwellian |
| 19:24.49 | itsnotabigtruck | xmlich02_: a bunch of people had the pr1.2 update bomb out |
| 19:25.02 | itsnotabigtruck | recovery options are limited because nokia hasn't released a flasher image |
| 19:26.01 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it's such an orwellian game...so amazing |
| 19:26.07 | itsnotabigtruck | there's never been any other game like it |
| 19:27.13 | rZr | not a new issue : http://blogs.knoxnews.com/silence/archives/privacy.jpg |
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| 19:37.23 | pa | question: how do i choose encoders for the sip client on N9? |
| 19:37.29 | pa | it seems it goes to speex by default |
| 19:37.33 | pa | and i want gsm |
| 19:37.38 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: you edit some file in /etc |
| 19:37.53 | itsnotabigtruck | don't ask me which one :p but the google knows |
| 19:38.17 | itsnotabigtruck | you can rearrange the priority so speex is last |
| 19:41.24 | itsnotabigtruck | e-yes: did you find sparsify? |
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| 19:42.49 | ZogG_laptop | damn |
| 19:43.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: what? |
| 19:43.27 | ZogG_laptop | nss just doesn't find anything |
| 19:43.32 | ZogG_laptop | nothing on navit |
| 19:43.41 | ZogG_laptop | same with nps |
| 19:44.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: then skip the PC change and just flasher it |
| 19:45.05 | itsnotabigtruck | there's no need to change product codes when you have flasher |
| 19:45.25 | ZogG_laptop | flash with what? |
| 19:45.41 | itsnotabigtruck | pr1.1 |
| 19:45.53 | ZogG_laptop | but i want 001 |
| 19:46.01 | ZogG_laptop | i have 001 already |
| 19:46.02 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm assuming that's what you're trying to do because changing product codes won't actually do anything |
| 19:46.06 | ZogG_laptop | i mean 1.1 |
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| 19:46.31 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i want 001 so i don't need to wait everytime |
| 19:46.40 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: what version and variant are you on right now |
| 19:46.44 | ZogG_laptop | but as i understand you can't flash to 001 from 005 |
| 19:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | right |
| 19:46.49 | ZogG_laptop | 1.1 005 |
| 19:47.14 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, so you can't do anything using either nss or flasher to fix that until the pr1.2 images are out |
| 19:47.26 | itsnotabigtruck | alternately, you could fool around with apt to replace the 005 packages with 001 packages |
| 19:47.30 | itsnotabigtruck | and upgrade that way |
| 19:47.40 | itsnotabigtruck | if you don't know precisely what you're doing don't do that, it's untested |
| 19:47.48 | ZogG_laptop | don't think it's proper way |
| 19:48.01 | itsnotabigtruck | of course it's not proper :p |
| 19:48.01 | ZogG_laptop | i mean it can screw things up =\ |
| 19:48.31 | ZogG_laptop | i think the 001 is saved not only in repos |
| 19:48.45 | rigow | ZogG_laptop, failed to upgrade? |
| 19:48.55 | ZogG_laptop | rigow, no update at all |
| 19:49.06 | ZogG_laptop | never got ota since n900 =) |
| 19:49.28 | rigow | ah |
| 19:50.20 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 19:51.03 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia needs to get out of the 90s with all this regional segmentation and variant codes and whatnot |
| 19:51.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it isn't *that* bad with the n9, but with some of their other products it's terrible |
| 19:51.29 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not uncommon that they simply forget entire product codes and never update them until a ton of people start complaining |
| 19:52.16 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. my E71 was some US country variant that never got updates for a long time |
| 19:52.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but there was a different variant that did |
| 19:52.34 | ZogG_laptop | is there 1.1.1 global? |
| 19:52.42 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no, 1.1.1 is 005 only |
| 19:53.02 | ZogG_laptop | i didn't get it btw |
| 19:53.05 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 19:53.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it's for middle eastern product codes only |
| 19:53.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and i don't think it was ever distributed as an ota update |
| 19:53.41 | itsnotabigtruck | nsu only |
| 19:53.55 | itsnotabigtruck | the big change was adding arabic support |
| 19:54.47 | pa | ok voip vorks |
| 19:54.48 | pa | :) |
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| 19:56.36 | pa | ZogG_laptop, i also want 001.. i decided to wait and reflash |
| 19:56.51 | pa | how do i find what i have now? |
| 19:58.52 | rigow | hm, update not working, just hangs forever in "Meego update" at 0% |
| 19:59.08 | rigow | apt-get -f install shows now prob |
| 20:00.23 | rigow | s/now prob/no prob/ |
| 20:00.43 | rigow | hey infobot, old friend! |
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| 20:01.21 | rigow | infobot, itsnotabigtruck is also very nice to N9 users |
| 20:01.21 | infobot | okay, rigow |
| 20:09.14 | rigow | ah, can't complete the download, Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later |
| 20:09.43 | rigow | Looks like http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9210845.htm |
| 20:09.46 | rigow | was right |
| 20:10.09 | rigow | they sold so many N9 that now their servers can't keep up with the update |
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| 20:14.55 | rm_work | GAH |
| 20:15.23 | rm_work | what is the "smartsearch" process and how do i make it stop... when I kill it, it just spawns again with a new processID immediately, and it is eating my battery stuck at 100% constantly |
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| 20:17.51 | rigow | itsnotabigtruck I think the thing that prevents the ovi store from working is also messing up the update |
| 20:17.58 | gabriel9 | good evening |
| 20:18.05 | rigow | I have the flasher now, but which firmware to use? |
| 20:18.12 | gabriel9 | does your scrolling lag? |
| 20:18.18 | rigow | no |
| 20:18.18 | gabriel9 | on N9 after update |
| 20:18.24 | rigow | no update yet |
| 20:18.30 | gabriel9 | ah i see |
| 20:18.57 | rigow | have you opened a terminal and looked whether there are background processes running? |
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| 20:28.38 | pa | is there some hope to get a widget system for N9? |
| 20:29.04 | pa | at least for the radios |
| 20:29.30 | pa | like in android, but actually something like widgetsoid would be perfect |
| 20:32.30 | gabriel9 | how to see background processes? |
| 20:32.38 | gabriel9 | which one is trouble |
| 20:32.51 | pa | ps? |
| 20:32.52 | pa | top? |
| 20:33.02 | rigow | do you have developer mode enabled? |
| 20:33.13 | pa | but im a bit disappointed that top does not let me change the refreshing time |
| 20:33.17 | pa | is it a modified version? |
| 20:34.59 | gabriel9 | yes i have |
| 20:35.02 | gabriel9 | developer mode |
| 20:35.09 | itsnotabigtruck | rigow: lol |
| 20:35.11 | gabriel9 | and i have home screen settings |
| 20:35.47 | itsnotabigtruck | well anyway, i was able to update to PR1.2 right after flashering to PR1.1 |
| 20:35.56 | itsnotabigtruck | so if you're still having weird update issues try that, it should be surefire |
| 20:36.26 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, howc can one see the regional code? |
| 20:36.57 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: try sysinfoclient -a |
| 20:37.10 | itsnotabigtruck | it's toward the end of the firmware version |
| 20:37.33 | itsnotabigtruck | also, that's exactly why we have this mess, the firmware version string is what's checked, from left to right |
| 20:37.44 | itsnotabigtruck | the variant code is the last component of the version |
| 20:38.01 | itsnotabigtruck | fortunately it's not the first component, that would be really lame |
| 20:38.55 | itsnotabigtruck | also gabriel9: apt-get install htop |
| 20:38.57 | itsnotabigtruck | htop is the stuff |
| 20:39.32 | gabriel9 | yes i use it on my archlinux |
| 20:39.33 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, that stuff provides an impossible to read string |
| 20:39.47 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: scroll up and down until you find the firmware version |
| 20:40.28 | rigow | dam... http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/02/nokia-n9-software-update-pr-1-2-30-2012-07-1/ |
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| 20:41.07 | pa | ok, content-ver? |
| 20:41.10 | rigow | my N9 doesn't update. This says to remove the caches and reinstall pr 1.1 using NSU |
| 20:41.15 | pa | 320, is it possible? |
| 20:41.18 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: sysinfoclient -p /device/sw-release-ver |
| 20:41.20 | rigow | what does he mean by NSU? |
| 20:41.29 | itsnotabigtruck | rigow: nokia software update = nsu |
| 20:41.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i mentioned using flasher, which does the same stuff nsu does but from the command line |
| 20:42.05 | itsnotabigtruck | NSU is for consumers and unlike flasher it works on all nokias |
| 20:42.50 | rigow | ok, so better install the flasher, but would I still rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
| 20:43.03 | rigow | sounds kinda strange |
| 20:43.06 | pa | it says PR_320 |
| 20:43.21 | pa | the last letters |
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| 20:45.24 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: that means you have a country variant |
| 20:45.34 | pa | i guess |
| 20:45.38 | pa | and i want to debrand it |
| 20:45.53 | itsnotabigtruck | rigow: well, if you flash, everything in /etc will be nuked |
| 20:46.06 | itsnotabigtruck | you need to download the flash images too, install NAVIFIRM |
| 20:46.16 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically NAVIFIRM+ 1.6 |
| 20:46.35 | itsnotabigtruck | make sure nokia care suite is selected, and download the 001 firmware image and your country's mmc image |
| 20:47.26 | itsnotabigtruck | actually download the no-maps mmc image (it's under the ROW BLACK entry) because the mmc maps are out of date |
| 20:47.41 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck why 1.6? |
| 20:47.52 | ZogG_laptop | what's wrong with 1.6? |
| 20:47.54 | rigow | ok, does the 3.12 flasher know where to download those images? |
| 20:47.56 | ZogG_laptop | 17* |
| 20:48.16 | rigow | or do I have to get them beforehand? |
| 20:49.00 | ZogG_laptop | second |
| 20:53.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nothing wrong with 1.6 |
| 20:53.31 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a bunch of different NAVIFIRM forks |
| 20:53.37 | itsnotabigtruck | some of them don't let you download mmc images |
| 20:53.38 | rigow | there is 1.7 |
| 20:53.43 | rigow | I can't find 1.6 |
| 20:53.43 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, then download that |
| 20:53.53 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought 1.6 was the latest, 1.7 is fine |
| 20:54.08 | itsnotabigtruck | flasher doesn't know how to download anything - you download the image separately and tell flasher to use it |
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| 20:59.25 | rigow | oki |
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| 21:15.30 | ZogG_laptop | give me my 1.2 =) |
| 21:15.57 | ZogG_laptop | gonna try nss on other pc |
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| 21:19.02 | blueslee | pr 1.2 seems to be overrated |
| 21:19.43 | blueslee | does someone know what is meant by "video call support"? |
| 21:19.56 | Anssi138 | pr 1.2 is the good stuff |
| 21:21.30 | blueslee | Anssi138: sure there is good stuff contained but the people think that a firmware release will change everything to the good which is not the case |
| 21:21.36 | petteri | blueslee: probably means it is coming in 1.3 :P |
| 21:21.53 | Anssi138 | at least when i tried to call video call to it, it didn't succeeded. |
| 21:22.24 | Anssi138 | yes, i have symbian. |
| 21:22.26 | marsje | argh |
| 21:22.34 | marsje | is trying to update to PR1.2 |
| 21:22.37 | Anssi138 | i know |
| 21:22.55 | marsje | it seems lik ethe update process shuts down the wifi connection and then complains it can't download the update |
| 21:23.48 | blueslee | my update procedure took about 30 minutes, i was suprised |
| 21:24.12 | rigow | oh my! trying to flash my phone, started second laptop with win7, now thing is configuring windows updates since 30min and finally failed now telling me that it reverts all the changes |
| 21:24.39 | marsje | it first downloaded, then started installing, but it was suck at 0%. Then it said it was interrupted.. starting over does not seem to help |
| 21:24.45 | Anssi138 | marsje: that's weird, probably it should not do that. You have rebooted ofc and tried again? |
| 21:24.56 | marsje | Anssi138: ofc? |
| 21:25.15 | Anssi138 | i believe it's stuck in 0% for quite some time and then it start to progress |
| 21:25.24 | Anssi138 | of course |
| 21:25.36 | Anssi138 | oldest trick to fix software. |
| 21:25.41 | marsje | I did reboot |
| 21:25.45 | marsje | but I can try again |
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| 21:32.59 | rigow | marsje, this is what I found http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/02/nokia-n9-software-update-pr-1-2-30-2012-07-1/ |
| 21:33.22 | rigow | I have the same issue BTW |
| 21:41.55 | marsje | rigow: removing all that and then reinstall pr1.1?? |
| 21:43.14 | marsje | what does "reinstall pr1.1" mean? |
| 21:43.16 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 21:43.34 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, on other comp nss detects phone but can't read any info |
| 21:43.45 | ZogG_laptop | maybe it's coz it's laptops |
| 21:44.41 | itsnotabigtruck | who here is familiar with open mode? |
| 21:45.25 | ZogG_laptop | ~opnemode |
| 21:45.33 | ZogG_laptop | ~openmode |
| 21:46.02 | jonni | rigow: if you do rm commands, then your screwed, that suggestion post in that url is just wrong |
| 21:46.03 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, there is mamemo thread |
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| 21:46.14 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.15 | infobot | from memory, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 21:47.00 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: not good enough |
| 21:47.38 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: I know a bit about open mode |
| 21:48.16 | blueslee | i will try to switch back to pr 1.1 at the weekend |
| 21:50.13 | jonni | rigow: you should not remove sources.list.d repoes, since if you do then it its not going to find the update again. its much easier just to reboot and issue "osa --discover" |
| 21:51.11 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, this isn't secret, might as well just ask - what has to be flashed to transition out of open mode |
| 21:51.17 | itsnotabigtruck | assuming system integrity is still intact |
| 21:51.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. sw cert, kernel, etc. |
| 21:51.42 | jonni | just kernel |
| 21:51.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ok |
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| 21:52.02 | itsnotabigtruck | because apparently the new bootloader flips the openmode bit merely by booting an unsigned kernel |
| 21:52.11 | itsnotabigtruck | so i didn't even flash anything unauthorized - and it still transitioned |
| 21:52.19 | kkito | hello |
| 21:52.31 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess apt-get --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher should work then |
| 21:52.58 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: I havent tested in PR1.2, atleast in PR1.1 it was enough |
| 21:53.26 | jonni | havent seen yet PR1.2 source code dvd in the net yet |
| 21:53.35 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, leaks as Nokia data \o/ |
| 21:53.38 | ZogG_laptop | jocking |
| 21:55.18 | itsnotabigtruck | woooo, downloading the pr1.2 kernel at dial-up speed |
| 21:55.56 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: booting to unsigned kernel (even if you dont flash it, like rescue kernel&initrd) always triggers the openmode bit, it has done that always from pr1.0 |
| 21:56.20 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: interesting...because that's exactly what i did and i was advised that it didn't do that, heh |
| 21:56.29 | marsje | hmmm, again I get "Update interrupted" |
| 21:56.58 | kkito | marsje I have the same problem |
| 21:57.07 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: security thing, since otherwise you could compromise normal mode |
| 21:57.18 | kkito | anyone know how to fix the "update interrupted" issue? |
| 21:58.10 | rigow | many people here having the same issue |
| 21:58.21 | marsje | the N9 logging is terrible... log is full of messages but it's hard to see what is an error and what is a normal debug message |
| 21:58.50 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: except that aegis is specifically intended to prevent that sort of thing |
| 21:59.16 | kkito | marsje, where is your n9 from? |
| 21:59.16 | itsnotabigtruck | and if reflashing just the kernel exits open mode, it also negates any perceived security advantage of that too |
| 21:59.17 | jonni | kkito: rigow: so what kind of tricks have you tested already? reboot; devel-su; apt-get clean; apt-get update;osa --discover |
| 22:00.03 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: aegis looks for openmode bit and just uses different signing key if your on openmode vs normal mode. Both modes have aegis by default. |
| 22:00.07 | rigow | jonni, good suggestions :) I have tried apt-get -f install and got a clean response (saying 695 updates waiting) |
| 22:00.35 | rigow | in order to get there I had to discard the lock file for dpkg |
| 22:01.07 | jonni | rigow: ah if there is lock for dpkg, you just need to do killall pkgmgrd; and then apt-get upgrade |
| 22:02.31 | marsje | jonni: what does osa --discover do? |
| 22:03.07 | jonni | marsje: its almost like apt-get update, but it also finds ssu updates, or something ;) |
| 22:03.58 | jonni | apt-get update usually does call osa --discover |
| 22:04.04 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: right, what i mean is that messing with things from open mode would break the aegis hashes/signatures and lead to nothing useful |
| 22:04.16 | marsje | jonni: I will try it |
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| 22:05.11 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep, if you do any crusial operation like install deb package, it signs the refhashlist file with openmode key, and if you reflash normal kernel back to device, boot will malf because refhashlist is not signed with normal mode key |
| 22:05.47 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: right...so entering open mode when booted from a signed kernel doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 22:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's a known effect and several times announced in BOLD that messing with rootfs in openmode will cause MALF in later secure mode |
| 22:06.23 | rigow | osa --discover hangs |
| 22:06.44 | jonni | rigow: and you rebooted the device before running osa --discover? |
| 22:06.52 | kkito | osa --discover returns Fatal error: Invalid fields in JSON |
| 22:06.52 | rigow | sure |
| 22:07.19 | jonni | rigow: second trick is to apt-get install strace; and then strace osa --discover: and look strace output where osa fails |
| 22:07.32 | marsje | anyone recognizes this? |
| 22:07.33 | marsje | Err http://sheerwater.co.nz harmattan Release.gpg Could not connect to sheerwater.co.nz:80 (219.88.136.55). - connect (110: Connection timed out) |
| 22:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: AIUI "entering openmode from secure signed kernel" is causing absolutely same state of system as booting an unsigned kernel |
| 22:07.45 | rigow | then started SDK, ssh'ed into phone, devel-su, apt-get clean (worked), apt-get update with a lot of errors |
| 22:07.57 | rigow | then osa --discover hangs |
| 22:08.08 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: right...what vexes me is that if you boot an unsigned kernel, touch nothing, and reboot, it keeps you in open mode |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 22:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 22:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | I RAMloaded openmode kernel, rebooted and got back to all "sane" secure system |
| 22:09.16 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: itsnotabigtruck: actually nope, if you flasher -b signed kernel, you will still be in normal mode (but only if your signed kernel marches the certsw version), if you boot with pr1.0 signed kernel to pr1.1 certsw you will fail |
| 22:09.37 | jonni | fail = openmode |
| 22:09.44 | rigow | open("/var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE|O_CLOEXEC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 22:09.45 | rigow | open("/proc/stat", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 7 |
| 22:09.47 | rigow | read(7, "cpu 8402 1675 3630 48262 2224 8"..., 8192) = 1098 |
| 22:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me |
| 22:09.59 | rigow | close(7) = 0 |
| 22:10.00 | rigow | fstat64(2, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0 |
| 22:10.00 | jonni | so signed kernels only works per PR release |
| 22:10.02 | rigow | write(2, "Fatal error: Unable to open data"..., 117Fatal error: Unable to open database file for reading |
| 22:10.03 | rigow | Fatal shutdown error: Unable to open database file for writing |
| 22:10.15 | itsnotabigtruck | right, treat "signed" as "matches sw cert" |
| 22:10.23 | rigow | write(6, "@", 1) = 1 |
| 22:10.24 | rigow | close(6) = 0 |
| 22:10.26 | rigow | close(5) = 0 |
| 22:10.27 | rigow | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, {0x3ad48964, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, 8) = 0 |
| 22:10.28 | itsnotabigtruck | also, reboot -u seems to power off the phone, rather than flash the staged kernel |
| 22:10.29 | rigow | exit_group(7) = ? |
| 22:10.38 | rigow | not really! NO! a dirt cheap permission problem? |
| 22:11.27 | jonni | rigow: I had the same kind of strace problems earlier today, but I solved it. are you running your commands as user or root? |
| 22:12.01 | rigow | yes |
| 22:12.20 | rigow | whoami -> root |
| 22:12.53 | kkito | I changed the user password, maybe thats the problem with the upgrade :? |
| 22:12.55 | jonni | ah, you might need to run them as user, atleast you could try: su - user |
| 22:12.58 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, finally got it to flash the kernel, i think |
| 22:13.16 | itsnotabigtruck | and no disclaimer so far, so i think that may have done it |
| 22:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | on aegis, root has NO SPECIAL privileges |
| 22:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | so user can strace/kill/whatever user processes. Root mustn't |
| 22:14.48 | rigow | same error if I run strace osa --discover |
| 22:15.04 | rigow | jonni, how did you solve the issue? |
| 22:15.08 | jonni | ps aux|grep osa |
| 22:15.21 | jonni | if you have any instanses running you need to kill them all |
| 22:15.23 | rigow | as user or root? |
| 22:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | as owner of process |
| 22:15.36 | jonni | ps aux|grep pkgmgr; same thing kill |
| 22:16.17 | rigow | none running |
| 22:16.27 | rigow | I made the ps commands as user |
| 22:16.28 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: are you sure that reflashing the kernel resets the mode? |
| 22:16.57 | rigow | no osa or pkgmgr running |
| 22:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | if the process gets new privileges and/or user on starting it, your strace <process> will probably fail |
| 22:17.18 | jonni | mostly I just killed the stalling processes, removed /var/run/osa.pid, then either used apt-get update, and checkec updates from the application manager UI refresh |
| 22:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: dang, there's nothing to reset |
| 22:17.57 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well atleast I've moved from open openmode pr1.1 back to stock normal pr1.1, so I'm quite sure |
| 22:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | mode is a RAM state |
| 22:18.14 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: no, mode is a bootloader configuration state |
| 22:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | not a bit flipped in flash |
| 22:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 22:18.29 | itsnotabigtruck | the entireproblem is that i put my phone into open mode without flashing anything |
| 22:18.38 | itsnotabigtruck | if it wasn't like that before, it is with PR1.2's nolo |
| 22:18.50 | itsnotabigtruck | so the question is, what has to be done in order to flip that bit back |
| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | there is NO SUCH bit |
| 22:19.09 | itsnotabigtruck | and in the absence of a proper pr1.2 image, demolishing everything and reflashing isn't an option |
| 22:19.20 | itsnotabigtruck | needs to be more targeted than that |
| 22:19.23 | jonni | in pr1.1 rescue kernel&initrd also flipped to open mode mode, and when you rebooted back to normal kernel, you got back into normal mode |
| 22:19.23 | rigow | no osa.pid |
| 22:19.57 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: that doesn't seem to be the case on pr1.2 |
| 22:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: the only "bit" that's sticky is the root cert |
| 22:20.14 | itsnotabigtruck | would reflashing the sw cert work? |
| 22:20.29 | itsnotabigtruck | but i think the kernel updater also does the sw cert |
| 22:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | if you messed that up, you'll never again go back to "normal mode" |
| 22:20.48 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well I havent had time to test in pr1.2 yet, I'll test it next week when Im back from winter holidays |
| 22:21.54 | jonni | hmm, actually I have my spare N9 with me, so if I have spare time this week, I might test pr1.2 openmode... |
| 22:21.55 | marsje | how long is "osa --discover" supposed to take? |
| 22:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | several Nokians reported they had to "send in" their HARM devices after messing with certs |
| 22:22.06 | jonni | marsje: few seconds |
| 22:22.12 | marsje | jonni: then it hangs |
| 22:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | not even they can restore a nuked root cert |
| 22:22.37 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, i'm pretty sure that hasn't been touched |
| 22:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 22:23.46 | rigow | marsje, I think we have exactly the same issue |
| 22:23.56 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: just out of curiosity, how do you know that you are on open mode? big warning on every boot? |
| 22:24.42 | rigow | if you install strace, I bet the thing chokes on the permission to /var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products |
| 22:24.42 | marsje | rigow: I removed the extra repositories I aded to /etc/apt/sources.d/ and now try again |
| 22:24.43 | itsnotabigtruck | yup, and accli -I |
| 22:25.18 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: and you havent flashed any kernels, just booted rescue once? |
| 22:25.32 | jonni | and uname -a gives? |
| 22:26.29 | itsnotabigtruck | Linux RM696 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 22 14:43:29 EET 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 22:30.13 | rigow | ok, /var/lib/known-products is owned by user osa group osa |
| 22:30.19 | rigow | and is 640 |
| 22:30.32 | rigow | na, its 440 |
| 22:30.32 | jonni | ah yes thats the right timestamp for the official kernel... I have a bit different version of 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 compiled in my sb, maybe I'll test in there if it goes to open mode permanently. |
| 22:30.35 | itsnotabigtruck | and all this is because i wanted to take precautions against something exactly like this :( |
| 22:31.38 | jonni | rigow: after you killed all the stalling instances, you should just go to settings-applications-manageapps-updates and press the update button. |
| 22:31.57 | jonni | update-button -> refresh button even |
| 22:32.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, time to try flashing the sw certificate and kernel using flasher |
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| 22:36.11 | ZogG_laptop | ha |
| 22:36.35 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i know why nss wasn't working |
| 22:36.53 | rigow | did that, now downloading truckloads of data |
| 22:37.13 | ZogG_laptop | can someone give me black n9 global code? |
| 22:37.23 | ZogG_laptop | product code i mean |
| 22:38.17 | marsje | wow, my update is at 8%! |
| 22:38.18 | rigow | 059K3S0 |
| 22:38.43 | rigow | according to navifirm |
| 22:38.51 | jonni | 64gb and 16gb have different codes |
| 22:39.03 | rigow | this is for the 64GB |
| 22:39.52 | jonni | my black 64gb black has diffrent code than rigows so I quess there is regional differences too |
| 22:40.32 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, doing the kernel using flasher didn't help anything |
| 22:40.33 | rigow | jonni, this was the one for the Global 64GB |
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| 22:40.49 | ZogG_laptop | rigow black global? 001? |
| 22:40.56 | rigow | I don't know what mine has, I assume the German 64GB black code |
| 22:40.57 | jonni | ah roger, I guess my version is finland/europe 001 |
| 22:41.07 | kkito | marsje, how did you fix the "update interrupted" issue? |
| 22:41.37 | kkito | how to retrieve the product code? |
| 22:41.47 | ZogG_laptop | jonni black 64gb? |
| 22:41.57 | ZogG_laptop | can you tell for sure and provide code? |
| 22:42.26 | rigow | there are many of those, depends on what country version you want |
| 22:43.29 | ZogG_laptop | the one with less changes and less cutoffs =) |
| 22:44.41 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon, what code you have and version and how happy you are ? =) |
| 22:44.44 | rigow | I have not experienced any cutoffs, my phone is of German origin |
| 22:44.50 | rigow | but I use the english interface |
| 22:45.48 | ZogG_laptop | 059K3S0: RM-696 64G GLOBAL BLACK SWAP - is this global as global or global as operator? |
| 22:46.02 | marsje | kkito: I removed all stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, did apt-get clean and apt-get update, and I disabled background connections (as I suspected the n9 was interrupting itself with checking mail/twitter/facebook/google) |
| 22:47.36 | ZogG_laptop | <rigow> is gloabl an operator? |
| 22:48.21 | rigow | it doesn't look like one in Navifirm, but I really can't tell |
| 22:48.25 | ZogG_laptop | 059J239: RM-696 NDT SINGAPORE BLACK 64GB - this what i have now |
| 22:48.57 | rigow | where do you get that from? |
| 22:50.48 | ZogG_laptop | from list |
| 22:51.07 | ZogG_laptop | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/03/nokia-n9-product-code-and-variants-shows-uk-ireland-model/ |
| 22:53.32 | ZogG_laptop | nice local mode show nokia's logo and local written on phone |
| 22:55.04 | ZogG_laptop | i think i succeeded to update it |
| 22:55.42 | rigow | mine blocked again |
| 22:55.44 | Jare | does anyone know what does the "support for videocalls" mean? An API for 3rd party apps? |
| 22:56.06 | ZogG_laptop | i think the qml camera now has front |
| 22:57.59 | itsnotabigtruck | remember that product code is irrelevant |
| 22:58.03 | itsnotabigtruck | variant code is what matters |
| 22:58.09 | itsnotabigtruck | there's way more product codes than variant codes |
| 22:58.39 | rigow | Jare, I think you can now do videocalls in skype |
| 22:59.09 | rigow | marsje, what was left in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 22:59.56 | ZogG_laptop | and now i get software update services are unavilable now =) |
| 23:00.00 | ZogG_laptop | from nsu |
| 23:00.21 | itsnotabigtruck | what is "reboot -u" actually supposed to do |
| 23:02.37 | Jare | rigow: well videocall support in gtalk and skype is still missing, so it must be something else then |
| 23:02.47 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1170417&postcount=44 - this code ia asctually defines area |
| 23:03.25 | jonni | Jare: where is the releasenote that would say videocall support? |
| 23:04.23 | Jare | jonni: iirc I saw it in the sw upgrade notes |
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| 23:06.26 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: ok, cert-sw and kernel reflash didn't do anything |
| 23:06.31 | itsnotabigtruck | any ideas what could possibly reset this? |
| 23:07.57 | itsnotabigtruck | only things left to try flashing are CMT, rootfs, NOLO, and i'm not confident any of those would fix anything |
| 23:08.01 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: lets see, I'm still flashing pr1.2 ro my CE device. I'll might have time to test custom kernels tomorrow on that. My current phone have special certs that allows custom kernels in normal mode so I cannot test in this device, since it never goes to open mode. :) |
| 23:08.19 | itsnotabigtruck | right, r&d cert kinda screws up the whole test |
| 23:08.46 | jonni | its saying 40% already, so tomorrow it should be up and running |
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| 23:09.03 | itsnotabigtruck | any ideas at least, without testing? |
| 23:09.11 | marsje | 's N( says update is done, not rebooting |
| 23:09.20 | marsje | n9 that is |
| 23:09.33 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: wait for .bin files to appear |
| 23:09.47 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: ok, what's plan B then :p |
| 23:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | so wait, we got an official pr1.2 for N9 now? |
| 23:09.59 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yup, it's the big news of the day |
| 23:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 23:10.09 | itsnotabigtruck | and since you don't mind putting your phone into open mode, it's quite trivial to do so |
| 23:10.12 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: yep, ssu 1.2 came out today |
| 23:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 23:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | what about source? |
| 23:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | anybody already bitched about sending a DVD? |
| 23:10.47 | itsnotabigtruck | problem is that as far as i can tell you can't get back, data erasure or not :p |
| 23:11.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i think javispedro already put in a source code request, but that was before the pr1.2 final release |
| 23:11.03 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: for me thats its not that big of a deal, since I have multiple N9's and I can even downgrade them if I want ;) |
| 23:11.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i still have a few tricks left up my sleeve but this is not what i wanted to spend the day on |
| 23:12.03 | jonni | (and I can cheat since I also have access to .bin files ;)) |
| 23:12.37 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: and you're also able to look at the NOLO changelog and see exactly how they messed this up |
| 23:12.41 | itsnotabigtruck | though i suppose that's classified |
| 23:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: but I heard Nokia is buying the modules *I* build, from reprots from MW today :-) |
| 23:13.23 | jonni | lets see 1st if there is anything that is messed up, but I'll get back on you with that tomorrow |
| 23:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | and that's where *I* have access to .bin and src |
| 23:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 23:14.17 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: good for your company :=) |
| 23:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 23:15.16 | rigow | hm, in case I have to flash, should I take EMMC_DACH.bin or OEM1-958_ARM.bin? |
| 23:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | Ihonestly wonder ehat stuff they smoked that made them sell BB5 and now buy in knowhow from STE |
| 23:15.46 | marsje | rigow: I have aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list and osa.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 23:15.55 | marsje | has PR1.2 :) |
| 23:16.18 | rigow | ok |
| 23:16.30 | rigow | thanks marsje |
| 23:16.33 | ZogG_laptop | what is sheerwater.co.nz ? |
| 23:17.06 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: do you have midnight commander? |
| 23:17.48 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: I was wondering the same before and it seems it's the repo for the midnight commander package |
| 23:18.10 | rigow | mine hangs again |
| 23:18.24 | ZogG_laptop | no i don't and it's down now =) |
| 23:18.33 | ZogG_laptop | or i have shortcuts though |
| 23:18.44 | ZogG_laptop | but why would it add repo i got it from ovi i think |
| 23:18.48 | ZogG_laptop | never added repo |
| 23:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro |
| 23:20.00 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 30d 8h 24m 37s ago, saying: 'that just uses the operator logo bitmap I guess'. |
| 23:20.08 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: maybe the packages added it? anyway, I disabled it... |
| 23:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | feels concerned... :-/ |
| 23:21.30 | rigow | Yay! 2% thanks marsje, removing the community repo did the trick |
| 23:22.47 | marsje | rigow: debian/ubuntu's installers do this automatically for you, but I guess nokia did not pay attention to this |
| 23:24.42 | marsje | I already have a feature request for PR1.3: why does the mailclient only show 4 emails on the screen even with no preview? what a waste of space |
| 23:25.12 | marsje | my S-E K810 shows more emails with a 320x240 screen |
| 23:26.00 | marsje | oh, I see the new font... even more wasted space... |
| 23:27.00 | ZogG_laptop | rigow what are those % ? |
| 23:27.37 | rigow | PR 1.2 update |
| 23:27.42 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: update installation progress |
| 23:27.44 | rigow | now 29% |
| 23:27.55 | marsje | much better than 0% |
| 23:27.56 | itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone know what an ENOS image is? |
| 23:28.50 | marsje | ok, good thing about 1.2: the "all online" button works |
| 23:30.01 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
| 23:30.32 | ZogG_laptop | i have 005 in list so how this guy who changed product key updated? |
| 23:30.33 | marsje | the keyboard also seems bigger |
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| 23:37.05 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: still around? is erase-user-data normally required in order to revert open mode |
| 23:37.31 | itsnotabigtruck | as that's just about the one thing i haven't tested yet |
| 23:37.46 | itsnotabigtruck | and it does revert some other things like device lock |
| 23:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: not afaik |
| 23:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | just tries to figure what's going to happen when a Nokia SSU update gets applied against an openmode system |
| 23:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | might easily result in current-version key stored to BB5 being signed with the oipenmode-key or sth |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | then you'd be thoroughly screwed regarding reverting to securemode |
| 23:43.54 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd imagine you just end up with the new firmware, still in open mode |
| 23:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 23:44.14 | itsnotabigtruck | though you'd be back to the unmodded kernel |
| 23:44.22 | itsnotabigtruck | but AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN would still be on |
| 23:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | you tried coldflashing? |
| 23:45.33 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the next frontier |
| 23:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | (NFC if there'S any such thing at all in HARM) |
| 23:45.59 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, the other scenario with the ssu flash is that you'd end up in secure mode in an unbootable state |
| 23:46.01 | ZogG_laptop | ok ay i added 001 repo |
| 23:46.09 | itsnotabigtruck | but then booting that rescue kernel should be a surefire way to go back to open mode, heh |
| 23:46.23 | ZogG_laptop | how do i change mp-harmattan-005-pr to 001 ? |
| 23:46.25 | rigow | Yay 1.2 good night folks and have fun |
| 23:46.37 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it's tricky |
| 23:46.42 | ZogG_laptop | yeah i know |
| 23:46.48 | itsnotabigtruck | you can do it, but don't do it unless you really know apt and can figure it out on your own |
| 23:46.52 | itsnotabigtruck | well, in theory you can do it |
| 23:47.00 | itsnotabigtruck | i didn't have to do it because i'm on 001 |
| 23:47.02 | ZogG_laptop | ssu does that somehow |
| 23:47.15 | itsnotabigtruck | no, it doesn't |
| 23:47.18 | itsnotabigtruck | SSU never changes variants |
| 23:47.23 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why it doesn't have that problem |
| 23:47.33 | ZogG_laptop | cssu does |
| 23:47.34 | itsnotabigtruck | ssu basically just does an apt upgrade |
| 23:47.55 | itsnotabigtruck | which also triggers some flashing of stuff on the next boot |
| 23:47.58 | itsnotabigtruck | gotta run |
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| 23:51.01 | ZogG_laptop | fuck it - worth to try |
| 23:51.28 | ZogG_laptop | i'll do it and then reflash with nsu |
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