| 00:00.29 | pawky|2 | by the way... I read one could do some simple video editing in PR1.2... haven't found out how... did they take this feature away in the final release? |
| 00:05.42 | itsnotabigtruck | i heard about that too...maybe you just need to look harder? |
| 00:05.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i haven't actually tried it |
| 00:06.00 | itsnotabigtruck | but there's a bunch of stuff in the release for it and i think they were trumpeting it on their blogs |
| 00:06.04 | itsnotabigtruck | non-destructive editing |
| 00:06.18 | itsnotabigtruck | well, that was for photos actually |
| 00:06.39 | pawky|2 | hmm.. buy that one could do already in the PR1.1 |
| 00:07.25 | pawky|2 | (but) |
| 00:08.24 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, i downloaded the worldwide generic PR1.0 emmc |
| 00:08.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it has the same familiar two vids inside |
| 00:08.30 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 00:08.42 | itsnotabigtruck | what product code is your n9 |
| 00:08.51 | itsnotabigtruck | well, was the N9 that you sent in |
| 00:09.26 | pawky|2 | hmm... |
| 00:09.34 | Jare | pawky|2: go to gallery, choose a video clip and edit it |
| 00:10.08 | pawky|2 | Jare: like video clips would be in the gallery? |
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| 00:11.09 | pawky|2 | Jare: only pictures in the gallery on my N9.. |
| 00:12.26 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: looking in an old dmesg output file.... |
| 00:13.06 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: i'm not sure that would actually contain the product code |
| 00:14.01 | pawky|2 | you mean that 059L6J7 or similar? |
| 00:14.16 | Jare | the videos you've shot with the N9 are in the gallery |
| 00:14.22 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 00:14.27 | pawky|2 | Jare:ohh.. |
| 00:15.27 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: 059L7N6 |
| 00:15.45 | itsnotabigtruck | 059L7N6: N9 RM-696 Country Variant Sweden SE Black 64GB_COLOR |
| 00:15.57 | pawky|2 | yeah.. that one.. |
| 00:16.16 | itsnotabigtruck | jesus...1.5gb download |
| 00:16.18 | itsnotabigtruck | because of all the maps |
| 00:16.26 | itsnotabigtruck | you do this :p http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22BIQSOSCN/--LID--FiRe1317290711122/EF26AFF2_DFL61_HARMATTAN_10.2011.31-3.339.2.339_EMMC_339.bin |
| 00:16.44 | Jare | I suppose you could edit other videos too, if the format supported and you move them to DCIM folder.. |
| 00:16.59 | Jare | +is |
| 00:17.05 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: install flasher 3.5 (not 3.12.1, though they can co-exist) |
| 00:17.19 | itsnotabigtruck | make a directory called emmcdump or some such |
| 00:17.34 | itsnotabigtruck | flasher -uemmcdump -F foo.bin |
| 00:17.46 | itsnotabigtruck | that will put a file named mmc in the directory |
| 00:17.56 | itsnotabigtruck | get that onto a linux system and loop mount it as vfat |
| 00:19.26 | pawky|2 | Jare: you are right... cool :-) |
| 00:19.51 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: duh... no flashing for me for a long time to come... have burned two phones that way.. |
| 00:20.10 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: no need to flash, you use the flasher to un-fiasco it |
| 00:20.15 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: well.. actually only one.. the first one was broken from factory.. |
| 00:20.25 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: ahh.. |
| 00:20.44 | itsnotabigtruck | no need to connect the phone, in fact don't connect the phone in case you typo it or something |
| 00:21.01 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: yeah.. |
| 00:21.08 | itsnotabigtruck | what happened to the 2nd phone? |
| 00:21.41 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: I was experimenting with trying to throw aegis out.. |
| 00:21.47 | itsnotabigtruck | also flasher 3.5 installs to c:\program files (x86)\maemo\flasher-3.5\flasher-3.5.exe |
| 00:21.58 | itsnotabigtruck | or something along those lines |
| 00:22.10 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: heh |
| 00:22.16 | pawky|2 | in the end, the phone thought it had a newer version of the firmware than was upon the phone.. so I could never reflash.. |
| 00:22.36 | itsnotabigtruck | you couldn't just flash the firmware it thought it already head? |
| 00:22.44 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: well.. using that openmode version, you still have aegis doing stuff... |
| 00:23.24 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: nope.. i sent it in to Nokia.. who sent it to Romania (as usual)... who gave up and sent me a new phone... |
| 00:23.54 | itsnotabigtruck | that's also weird, i thought nokia stores usually have dongles that allow using phoenix to downgrade phones |
| 00:24.16 | itsnotabigtruck | so they could just downgrade it from whatever it thought it had to pr1.whatever |
| 00:24.18 | pawky|2 | obviously not... :-( or.... :-) |
| 00:24.38 | pawky|2 | neither the official repair store could fix it, nor Romania.. |
| 00:25.15 | pawky|2 | ... or was it hungary... |
| 00:25.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it's all kind of irrelevant to me since nokia doesn't even have repair shops in north america |
| 00:25.40 | pawky|2 | they should have.. |
| 00:26.02 | itsnotabigtruck | and i might or might not have a warranty in the first place |
| 00:26.25 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 00:26.45 | pawky|2 | well.. nokia wont complain if you accidentally cannot reflash your unit, even if you have flashed it before... |
| 00:27.15 | pawky|2 | they probably don't have to help you.... but they righteously see things through their fingers i presume.. |
| 00:27.45 | pawky|2 | again.. the best thing would be to not break it in the first place.. ;-) |
| 00:28.27 | pawky|2 | so.. beware of aegis... |
| 00:28.42 | itsnotabigtruck | well, beware of messing with SW certificates |
| 00:28.52 | itsnotabigtruck | that's dangerous stuff yo :p |
| 00:29.09 | pawky|2 | found a backlog? :-) |
| 00:29.45 | pawky|2 | I think it all started with wanting to mount stuff... then I also looked into certificates.. |
| 00:29.50 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, haven't looked |
| 00:30.10 | pawky|2 | should be somewhere... in november/december |
| 00:30.22 | pawky|2 | I nearly cracked it... |
| 00:31.09 | pawky|2 | Believe I accidentally flashed some certificate that f..ed it all up... |
| 00:32.16 | pawky|2 | had one to many firmwares laying around... |
| 00:35.01 | pawky|2 | well.. time to sleep... |
| 00:36.07 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: see pm |
| 00:36.15 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, nm then |
| 00:36.24 | pawky|2 | itsnotabigtruck: still here.. |
| 00:36.47 | pawky|2 | pm? |
| 00:38.27 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Could you verify one little thing for me? |
| 00:39.00 | pawky|2 | sure |
| 00:39.17 | pawky|2 | DrGrov: ohh... sorry.. |
| 00:39.58 | DrGrov | pawky|2: Huh? |
| 00:41.01 | pawky|2 | DrGrov: never mind, thought you asked me... |
| 00:41.13 | itsnotabigtruck | pawky|2: private message |
| 00:41.22 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: yeah |
| 00:41.37 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: You are on PR 1.2 with a N9 yes? |
| 00:41.40 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 00:41.56 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Good. How long does it take for the device to power off? |
| 00:42.03 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: not long at all |
| 00:42.15 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Talking 5-10 seconds approximately? |
| 00:42.18 | itsnotabigtruck | a couple seconds, and then it takes a while longer to actually power off after the screen blanks |
| 00:42.40 | DrGrov | So the light is lit when you are powering it off and it stays lit for a few seconds longer? |
| 00:42.58 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, if i remember correctly |
| 00:43.02 | DrGrov | Ok |
| 00:43.35 | DrGrov | I wonder if I might have some unusual odd behavior... I powered it off, took a few seconds to get the Nokia screen, it blanks off and then the lit is lit for about 5 seconds. Perhaps even 6-7 seconds. |
| 00:44.07 | DrGrov | I wonder, feels like it is actually slower to power off in PR 1.2 than in PR 1.1. Could the feeling of delay be because of heavy usage? |
| 00:45.25 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Have you tried to plug in the charger after you switched off? Did it give you the power on state and it went through all the way to actually powering it on, asking PIN ? |
| 00:46.00 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: i think i've done it once or twice |
| 00:46.04 | itsnotabigtruck | it's heavily timing dependent |
| 00:46.16 | itsnotabigtruck | remember, attaching to usb boots it into act-dead mode |
| 00:46.22 | itsnotabigtruck | so if the phone is already changing modes |
| 00:46.35 | itsnotabigtruck | what mode it ends up in depends on exactly when you plugged it in |
| 00:47.02 | DrGrov | So a delay before I start charging will make it go into act-dead mode for only charging? |
| 00:47.16 | DrGrov | Perhaps I plugged in the damn thing too fast LOL |
| 00:51.27 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Will the delay actually help to make it only charge? |
| 00:51.45 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Or do I need to monitor something else in this fucked up process to get the bloody phone only charging? |
| 00:52.07 | DrGrov | I am losing patience with this charging bullshit |
| 00:52.08 | itsnotabigtruck | plug it into usb, then "power it off" |
| 00:52.23 | itsnotabigtruck | or power it off completely, wait, then plug it into usb |
| 00:52.39 | DrGrov | Ok, will ex. 5 minutes be enough? |
| 00:53.01 | DrGrov | *for example 5 minutes |
| 00:54.03 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help, I am off to get some sleep. |
| 00:54.42 | itsnotabigtruck | DrGrov: 5 mins? no, like 10 seconds |
| 00:54.48 | itsnotabigtruck | just wait for the light to be off |
| 00:54.55 | itsnotabigtruck | or plug it in while it's already powered on instead |
| 00:55.10 | itsnotabigtruck | that will transition it directly from on to act dead mode |
| 00:55.24 | itsnotabigtruck | instead of on -> off -> act dead |
| 00:55.46 | DrGrov | Well, I waited 10 seconds after I powered it off and the bloody thing powered on all the way until it asked for the PIN code |
| 00:56.01 | DrGrov | That is when I powered it off and tried putting the charging cable |
| 00:56.23 | DrGrov | Nevermind, I wait 10 minutes to be on the safe side and plug the fucking charger in sideways and hope the bastard phone reacts like it should |
| 00:56.36 | DrGrov | Or I throw it out from the window, fuck it |
| 00:57.18 | DrGrov | needs his nicotine to calm down |
| 00:57.37 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Thanks for the help though :) |
| 00:57.59 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 00:58.01 | itsnotabigtruck | later |
| 00:58.16 | DrGrov | I gotta get a grip of myself, this snusing and smoking is making me insane |
| 00:58.58 | DrGrov | I used 6 cans in 4 days of Swedish snus. It is insanely much. Usually goes about 1 can per 2 days but no, now it goes at least 1 can / day. |
| 01:00.11 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: Laters, take care |
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| 01:48.07 | ieatlint | is there a way to detect if a headset is plugged in? |
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| 02:15.13 | itsnotabigtruck | man, i totally should have bought an N810 when woot.com was selling those cheap |
| 02:15.16 | itsnotabigtruck | or were they N800s |
| 02:15.44 | beford | i have one |
| 02:15.46 | beford | :d |
| 02:15.46 | beford | xD |
| 02:16.06 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: i'm sure there is, the question is how,a nd whether aegis blocks it |
| 02:16.08 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 02:16.46 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: well, i'm sure lots of people do :p |
| 02:17.22 | itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand i probably wouldn't have had much use for one back then |
| 02:17.40 | itsnotabigtruck | if i was in college 5 years ago maemo tablets probably would have been the stuff |
| 02:19.50 | beford | is it 5 years old? time passes fast xD |
| 02:20.45 | itsnotabigtruck | n810's getting close to it |
| 02:21.23 | itsnotabigtruck | and the 770 is a bit over 6 years old |
| 02:22.55 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, i'll look into, was just seeing if someone knew so i could shortcut to the solution :) |
| 02:24.02 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like the n810 wimax goes for about $125 these days |
| 02:25.08 | itsnotabigtruck | interesting, apparently the n810 wimax is locked to the now-nonexistant xohm |
| 02:25.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it can't be used with clear, which succeeded it |
| 02:25.58 | itsnotabigtruck | actually it's not, looks like some people just couldn't figure out how to make it connect |
| 02:26.24 | beford | lol |
| 02:28.48 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem with clear's wimax service is that it's at least as expensive as a cell phone add-on data plan |
| 02:30.38 | itsnotabigtruck | and everybody has a cell phone these days, and most of the people who'd think about signing up for wimax have smartphones too |
| 02:43.35 | SpeedEvil | Will depend on who has the unlimited plan with the biggest quota. |
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| 02:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 02:46.58 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: but it's not about the size of your quota, it's how you use it :p |
| 02:50.21 | itsnotabigtruck | if the ovi store featured list is country-by-country, i wonder how much my ovi store downloads influence it |
| 02:51.23 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, there has to be at least 4 digit numbers of N9s in the us, that would still make it very small |
| 02:51.40 | itsnotabigtruck | maaaaybe 5 digit |
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| 03:42.29 | itsnotabigtruck | are extraordinary measures required to get screenshots/icons to update on appsformeego? |
| 03:42.31 | itsnotabigtruck | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ |
| 03:43.01 | itsnotabigtruck | the 2 screenshots i added appeared, but the icon and 1st screenshot, which i modified, didn't |
| 03:43.22 | itsnotabigtruck | btw SpeedEvil: you're based in the US, right? you might find ^ useful |
| 03:43.42 | itsnotabigtruck | direct link: http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/all/ad-hac_0.1_all.deb |
| 03:44.00 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 03:44.12 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, not sure why i thought that then |
| 03:44.13 | SpeedEvil | checks GPS. |
| 03:44.17 | SpeedEvil | yep, UK. |
| 03:44.18 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 04:03.23 | itsnotabigtruck | lol, the time is probably one reason i thought that - damn, it's 4am UTC |
| 04:17.16 | SpeedEvil | Sleep cycle is broken |
| 04:20.11 | bindi | coughs |
| 04:20.19 | bindi | 6 AM local time here |
| 04:22.24 | ieatlint | daylight sucks anyway |
| 04:24.12 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm hoping bumping the version of my app will cause appsformeego to come to its senses and refresh everything |
| 04:24.39 | itsnotabigtruck | that "screenshot" i submitted being stretched horribly is keeping me from posting it :p |
| 04:25.34 | ieatlint | the icon for that ad-hac is a bit tacky :P |
| 04:26.00 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: on appsformeego, or once installed |
| 04:26.14 | itsnotabigtruck | in the package manager, it shows up as that nokia wifi icon that's in the middle |
| 04:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | the icon on appsformeego should, i hope, change soon |
| 04:26.49 | ieatlint | yeah, ok |
| 04:26.54 | ieatlint | the one on the website is what i saw |
| 04:27.05 | ieatlint | and i oddly don't want an american flag icon on my phone :P |
| 04:27.14 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ |
| 04:27.16 | itsnotabigtruck | it just changed |
| 04:27.50 | itsnotabigtruck | but that icon again is only for the website, on the device it's the wifi icon (squircle in the middle with the waves) |
| 04:28.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and it installs no desktop icon at all |
| 04:28.46 | ieatlint | ah, ok |
| 04:29.18 | itsnotabigtruck | in fact, i screenshotted the uninstall screen (ss #3) |
| 04:30.10 | ieatlint | yeah, fine and generic |
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| 05:02.02 | beford | y u are always online itsnotabigtruck |
| 05:16.00 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: lol |
| 05:16.21 | itsnotabigtruck | because i spend way too much time on irc, and i'm in college |
| 05:16.32 | itsnotabigtruck | also i thought i didn't have much work to do today, except boom, surprise homework |
| 05:16.38 | itsnotabigtruck | so i need to finish that up now :( |
| 05:16.40 | itsnotabigtruck | http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2012/02/wardriving-for-zigbee.html |
| 05:16.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ zigbee wardriving system for N9 |
| 05:20.27 | beford | oh, I saw that on hackaday, didn't recognize the n9 |
| 05:21.32 | ieatlint | haha, zigbee wardriving? |
| 05:21.36 | ieatlint | that's awesome |
| 05:29.56 | tehdely | twitter client stopped working today |
| 05:30.01 | tehdely | it just says "No tweets" |
| 05:30.11 | tehdely | i deleted the account, rebooted, readded/reauthorized |
| 05:30.12 | tehdely | still No Tweets |
| 05:30.15 | tehdely | that's lame |
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| 05:30.59 | tehdely | wow, lot of this: twitter-meego[2732]: CRITICAL-Error: Not found XDG_CACHE_HOME environment variable |
| 05:31.31 | itsnotabigtruck | btw what is up with all the apps named like: org.formeego.apps |
| 05:31.49 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess the idea is from android+java, but this isn't android, or java :p |
| 05:33.21 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: that's not good :/ |
| 05:33.36 | itsnotabigtruck | also, anyone who installed lpsmagic 0.4 - make sure to install 0.4.1 |
| 05:33.44 | itsnotabigtruck | 0.4 broke the alarm clock |
| 05:33.50 | tehdely | anyone here using Track & Protect btw |
| 05:33.57 | itsnotabigtruck | nein |
| 05:34.10 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to have some sort of antitheft solution that isn't proprietary and $$$ |
| 05:34.33 | tehdely | i'm more concerned about privacy implications |
| 05:34.36 | itsnotabigtruck | though otoh a knowledgeable attacker can just wipe the phone no matter what antitheft software you use |
| 05:34.39 | tehdely | and also whether it'll work once i put my phone in open mode |
| 05:34.47 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the other thing, yeah |
| 05:34.47 | tehdely | i'm going to follow your procedure |
| 05:34.55 | itsnotabigtruck | i think it'll work in open mode |
| 05:35.06 | itsnotabigtruck | but the only thing preventing it from being removed is the device lock code |
| 05:35.21 | itsnotabigtruck | which can be reset |
| 05:36.09 | beford | wouldn't prey work on the n9? |
| 05:36.18 | beford | I *believe* there was a n900 port |
| 05:36.48 | tehdely | man it would be nice if Nokia Link worked over bluetooth |
| 05:37.55 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81297 |
| 05:38.18 | itsnotabigtruck | "meamo"? can't even spell the name of the website s/he's on :p |
| 05:39.11 | itsnotabigtruck | yay, the red bull is kicking in |
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| 05:41.41 | beford | lol, me amo |
| 05:42.43 | antoniouslj | Man, this N9 keeps getting better and better |
| 05:43.25 | tehdely | mine seems to be getting worse |
| 05:43.29 | tehdely | i give it a few more days before i reflsah :P |
| 05:43.31 | tehdely | *reflash |
| 05:43.55 | antoniouslj | You must have a lemon or something |
| 05:44.01 | tehdely | nah |
| 05:44.26 | antoniouslj | I've had to do a reset occasionally, but not often |
| 05:45.08 | antoniouslj | I came from Android, and this is night and day a much better |
| 05:45.21 | antoniouslj | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.11 | antoniouslj | I've had several Android phones too, even dual cores that would crush the hardware in the N9 |
| 05:46.36 | tehdely | anybody get a lot of these in their log com.nokia.csd.simatk: simatk_report_event_notification:460 Building and sending ATK_REPORT_EVENT_NTF -message |
| 05:46.45 | antoniouslj | Yet this phone is pure butter and quite a but more capable |
| 05:51.59 | tehdely | man |
| 05:52.03 | tehdely | twitter client is all sorts of effed up |
| 05:52.10 | tehdely | OH WELL |
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| 05:58.20 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 |
| 05:58.21 | itsnotabigtruck | yay, posted |
| 06:00.24 | tehdely | nice |
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| 06:08.47 | itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/ad-hac |
| 06:09.17 | itsnotabigtruck | (one problem - adblock plus blocks all the entries for my app on n9-apps because "ad-hac" contains "ad" :p) |
| 06:09.24 | itsnotabigtruck | *images for my |
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| 06:23.36 | djszapi | anybody from Finland ? |
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| 06:26.59 | itsnotabigtruck | probably, but not me :p btw, any idea what happens if an SSU conflicts with an already installed package |
| 06:27.12 | itsnotabigtruck | for a specific example, if someone installs calendarrr then the pr1.2 update |
| 06:30.24 | itsnotabigtruck | also it seems that the appsformeego client is still displaying outdated info for ad-hac :/ |
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| 06:31.08 | ieatlint | what is calendarr? |
| 06:32.37 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: my calendar live icon program |
| 06:32.44 | itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure i relentlessly spammed it here when it was new :D |
| 06:33.08 | ieatlint | yeah, i installed it on a phone |
| 06:33.14 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't make any sense on PR1.2 because it has the same functionality built-in |
| 06:33.15 | ieatlint | thought that's what it was |
| 06:33.18 | ieatlint | but wasn't sure |
| 06:33.40 | itsnotabigtruck | so i put a conflicts line in blocking it from being installed with PR1.2's calendar |
| 06:33.42 | ieatlint | so all i can say is the phone i installed it on, which is now running 1.2, updated without issue and the calendar icon is still updating |
| 06:33.50 | itsnotabigtruck | but i'm not really sure how gracefully package-manager handles that sort of thing |
| 06:33.54 | ieatlint | i am now wondering if the calendar icon is being updated twice each night though |
| 06:34.28 | itsnotabigtruck | ideally it should either a) get rid of calendarrr, or b) fail the update before it actually starts, so the user can rectify it |
| 06:34.58 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, see if calendar-live-icon (calendarrr in the package gui) is still there |
| 06:35.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it sounds like package manager might have just automatically nuked it |
| 06:35.20 | itsnotabigtruck | assuming you did the OTA hten |
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| 06:43.30 | itsnotabigtruck | speaking of that, http://store.ovi.com/content/231931 should probably be dropped from the ovi store before someone installs it on pr1.2 |
| 06:43.38 | itsnotabigtruck | assuming it doesn't have dependencies that block that |
| 06:43.52 | ieatlint | uh, i'll look in a bit |
| 06:44.07 | ieatlint | my phone is beyond reaching distance, and standing is effort |
| 06:47.39 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 06:48.08 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, ieatlint: install ad-hac! |
| 06:48.18 | ieatlint | yeah... but phone so far |
| 06:48.26 | itsnotabigtruck | wait, i already spammed it to you |
| 06:48.27 | itsnotabigtruck | carry on :p |
| 06:58.07 | ieatlint | what part of the US are you in anyway? |
| 06:58.09 | ieatlint | ohio? |
| 07:01.02 | gabriel9 | morning |
| 07:01.17 | gabriel9 | anyone developed client app for facebook? |
| 07:01.49 | ieatlint | no, but i have an awesome client for grindr |
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| 07:02.57 | gabriel9 | do i need to register on fb to get some kind of key? |
| 07:03.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: ohio? where'd you get that :p |
| 07:04.32 | beford | itsnotabigtruck, I suppose main.bin file is the one that doesn't say EMMC on its name? |
| 07:05.01 | ieatlint | just a guess :P |
| 07:05.08 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: precisely |
| 07:05.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i should probably have mentioned that somewhere in my guide, heh |
| 07:05.39 | ieatlint | care to specify, or prefer to keep it quiet? :P |
| 07:05.39 | denism | hi, does N9 PR1.2 supports automatic time update? Or just Saunalahti/Elisa in Finland have stopped such feature? |
| 07:05.57 | itsnotabigtruck | denism: it definitely has automatic time update, but you can turn it on and off |
| 07:06.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: illinois now, but i'm from portland |
| 07:06.17 | itsnotabigtruck | wish i was in portland now |
| 07:06.33 | ieatlint | ah, love portland, yeah |
| 07:06.34 | denism | itsnotabigtruck: ok thank you, so seems my cellular operator has stopped supports on his side :( |
| 07:10.25 | denism | perhaps I have to check Ovi Store for an application to sync with internet clocks |
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| 07:11.23 | itsnotabigtruck | denism: i think one of the repos has openntpd ported |
| 07:11.31 | itsnotabigtruck | that could adversely affect the battery though |
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| 07:15.42 | ieatlint | familiar with ps1? |
| 07:15.58 | beford | the playstation or environment variable |
| 07:16.33 | beford | itsnotabigtruck, flashing mmc now |
| 07:23.56 | beford | ugh it rebooted automagically to set the lang and scared me |
| 07:24.39 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: hmm? it should only reboot if you tell it to |
| 07:24.56 | itsnotabigtruck | if you skipped doing flasher -i though, i've heard it'll automatically reboot shortly after the flash |
| 07:25.14 | beford | I suppose it read the sim settings and noticed it had to boot in spanish |
| 07:25.33 | beford | it was starting normally and showing a 'new things in you n9' and then iy rebooted |
| 07:27.02 | itsnotabigtruck | weird |
| 07:27.12 | itsnotabigtruck | btw the default language is set in CAL |
| 07:27.16 | itsnotabigtruck | and afaik it persists |
| 07:27.28 | itsnotabigtruck | actually i'm not 100% sure about that |
| 07:27.54 | beford | I had it on english before flashing |
| 07:28.33 | itsnotabigtruck | right, but my guess is that the default language is set at the factory and never changes |
| 07:28.41 | beford | ah |
| 07:28.43 | itsnotabigtruck | however, i'm not actually sure about that, it might just be part of the image |
| 07:29.03 | itsnotabigtruck | but i don't think any of the 00x images are *just* for spanish speaking countries |
| 07:29.10 | itsnotabigtruck | so that doesn't make any sense |
| 07:29.17 | beford | no, thats why I think it read it from the simcard |
| 07:29.34 | itsnotabigtruck | but it defaults even without a sim card installed |
| 07:29.44 | itsnotabigtruck | and mine defaults to english (great britain) |
| 07:29.48 | itsnotabigtruck | because that's what's in CAL, presumably |
| 07:30.16 | itsnotabigtruck | though i'm surprised it doesn't default to spanish, it's a latin america import |
| 07:30.53 | beford | mine is from singapore |
| 07:31.37 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 07:33.00 | beford | at least it doesnt start in singaporean :D (chinese I suppose xD) |
| 07:37.02 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i had to get up to get more beer.. calendarr is still installed |
| 07:37.09 | ieatlint | i'm uninstalling it now though |
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| 07:50.14 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: hrm |
| 07:50.34 | itsnotabigtruck | you already uninstalled it? i was wondering if apt considered the system broken |
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| 07:53.04 | ieatlint | no, i got distracted |
| 07:55.34 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: heh |
| 07:55.45 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, don't install it yet then, see what apt thinks |
| 07:58.22 | ieatlint | not an apt guy, what should i run for it to sanity check its db? |
| 07:59.19 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: tbh i have no idea |
| 07:59.24 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, how about just doing |
| 07:59.34 | itsnotabigtruck | apt-cache show calendar-live-icon |
| 07:59.37 | itsnotabigtruck | apt-cache show calendar |
| 07:59.56 | itsnotabigtruck | things would be a lot easier with aptitude |
| 08:01.42 | ieatlint | calendar-live-icon conflicts with calendaricon, calendar-hack |
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| 08:05.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: nah, those are dependency entries |
| 08:05.23 | itsnotabigtruck | that i put in |
| 08:05.34 | itsnotabigtruck | but, what version is calendar |
| 08:05.57 | ieatlint | 0.1 |
| 08:06.49 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: no, calendar itself |
| 08:07.16 | ieatlint | 0.19.47+0m7 |
| 08:07.44 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so that's definitely a conflicting dependency |
| 08:07.47 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 08:07.55 | itsnotabigtruck | do apt-get -s install wget |
| 08:08.00 | itsnotabigtruck | (or any other package you don't have installed) |
| 08:08.06 | itsnotabigtruck | see if apt warns you about broken packages |
| 08:09.16 | ieatlint | nope, doesn't complain |
| 08:12.39 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
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| 08:12.55 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: go back up to the calendar output, does it say Depends: ..., calendar (<< 0.19) |
| 08:13.33 | itsnotabigtruck | if i try to install calendar-live-icon on an already upgraded phone it correctly blocks the install because of that |
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| 08:16.14 | ieatlint | no, it seems to say it depends on calendar, but doesn't specify any version dependency |
| 08:17.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: ah |
| 08:17.36 | itsnotabigtruck | hm...you probably installed an early deb i was tossing around here before i added that |
| 08:18.00 | itsnotabigtruck | better get rid of it now |
| 08:18.24 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't cause any harm, just updates the icon twice a day :p |
| 08:18.34 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, and also the icon will reset to the 21st after uninstalling calendar-live-icon |
| 08:18.47 | itsnotabigtruck | then change back next time the nokia thing runs |
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| 08:24.45 | ieatlint | ok |
| 08:25.18 | ieatlint | indeed correct, icon now says 21st |
| 08:27.04 | itsnotabigtruck | you can probably run the nokia script directly to fix that |
| 08:27.12 | itsnotabigtruck | it's somewhere in /usr/bin but i forget what it's called |
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| 08:27.20 | itsnotabigtruck | shouldn't be hard to find though |
| 08:27.24 | ieatlint | http://nig.gr/whiteblack.swf |
| 08:27.24 | itsnotabigtruck | probably has to be run as root |
| 08:27.45 | ieatlint | eh, i can wait a day |
| 08:27.51 | itsnotabigtruck | lolwaaaaat |
| 08:28.26 | ieatlint | yeah, it's the most offensive and best url shortener if you go to the domain |
| 08:30.36 | leinir | ha! brilliant :) |
| 08:31.10 | ieatlint | yes, we can all thank greece for a meaningful contribution |
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| 08:52.18 | itsnotabigtruck | so N9 PR1.2 includes libfcam (uber camera control api), but no -dev package to go with it :/ |
| 08:54.25 | faenil | -.- |
| 08:54.34 | ab | itsnotabigtruck, file a bug, please |
| 08:56.01 | itsnotabigtruck | ab: does it count as a bug if the same thing applies to basically everything released after 6 months ago :( |
| 08:56.25 | itsnotabigtruck | the root problem is that the public sdk is frozen in time |
| 08:56.40 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to at least get -dev packages for new cool things like this though |
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| 09:00.13 | ab | itsnotabigtruck, yet, file a bug and list packages new to 1.2 missing -dev counterparts |
| 09:01.02 | ab | it would cost you 15 minutes at most but would help those who could help. |
| 09:01.33 | leinir | Be sure to remind them that the sdk is used to develop apps for other than PR1.0 (which is a requirement for the ovi^wnokia store) |
| 09:01.45 | ab | very good point |
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| 09:03.55 | leinir | (a spectacular bit of stupid, caused entirely by ovi's inability to handle multiple versions of harmattan... so i'm told) |
| 09:06.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ab: filing bugs has done nothing |
| 09:07.01 | itsnotabigtruck | they fix what they want to fix, everything else is WONTFIXed or sits in ASSIGNED purgatory |
| 09:07.07 | ab | so is whining on the IRC |
| 09:07.26 | itsnotabigtruck | tbh whining on the irc is probably more likely to get problems noticed than filing bugs on the public tracker |
| 09:07.51 | ab | itsnotabigtruck, that's why I wanted you to file the bug there, thanks for noticing. :) |
| 09:08.25 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, might as well... |
| 09:08.28 | itsnotabigtruck | stand by for bug number |
| 09:08.33 | RST38h | moo, ab |
| 09:08.42 | ab | meh, RST38h |
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| 09:19.32 | itsnotabigtruck | bug #1062 |
| 09:19.37 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK |
| 09:20.28 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, heh :D |
| 09:21.56 | itsnotabigtruck | let's see if i can turn up some statistics about how futile this bug tracker is :D |
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| 09:30.39 | itsnotabigtruck | out of 1012 "device" bugs, 161 are fixed, 126 are wontfix, 188 are invalid/duplicate/notreproducible |
| 09:32.10 | itsnotabigtruck | out of the remaining bugs, 444 are NEW or ASSIGNED |
| 09:33.28 | ab | I've pinged some of Nokia mgmt for the bug 1062 |
| 09:33.32 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK |
| 09:35.05 | itsnotabigtruck | ab: great :) |
| 09:36.14 | itsnotabigtruck | if only bug #715 were to be fixed...but at this point it's probably too much to ask for :/ |
| 09:36.18 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=715 maj, ---, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, NEW, No platform SDK releases since PR1.1 to match on-device packages |
| 09:37.00 | itsnotabigtruck | once the SDK DVD is out, it might be a good idea to put together a 3rd party repo with as many PR1.2 SDK packages as possible |
| 09:37.12 | itsnotabigtruck | though that doesn't cover any of the closed source things |
| 09:38.07 | itsnotabigtruck | the irritating thing is that every one of those -dev packages *exists*, after all, how else would harmattan be built - it just doesn't make it out to developers at all |
| 09:39.00 | itsnotabigtruck | and if that whole process doesn't change by PR1.3 then important header files will be forever locked away on some abandoned vcs somewhere |
| 09:40.41 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm, talk.maemo.org went down *again* |
| 09:40.48 | rigow | itsnotabigtruck, who do you contact in nokia to help? |
| 09:41.04 | itsnotabigtruck | rigow: myself? no one, i don't have personal contacts at nokia |
| 09:41.14 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty new here in the scheme of things |
| 09:41.17 | rigow | I have plenty ;) |
| 09:41.47 | rigow | so just drop me email with your complaints and I'll try to get this to the right people |
| 09:42.38 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i think some people at nokia etc. have already tried to get things changed with the sdk, to little effect |
| 09:42.44 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why i'm being so pessimistic right now |
| 09:42.53 | itsnotabigtruck | c.f. all the drama related to signing the repository |
| 09:43.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and that doesn't even involve releasing anything new |
| 09:43.55 | itsnotabigtruck | and i get the impression that releasing any sort of dev packages, etc. involves a lot of bureaucracy and no one wants to spend time on things like swlc auditing |
| 09:44.07 | rigow | I can only try. If others have tried, perhaps I will fail. But is it worth trying? I think yes. I'm really happy with my phone and I want this eco-system to be sustained ... |
| 09:44.37 | rigow | nokia can be _very_ bureaucratic and closed down |
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| 09:50.15 | kozzi | is talk.maemo.org working for anyone ? |
| 09:51.50 | itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: nope, it just went down |
| 09:51.57 | itsnotabigtruck | they've been having web server trouble for a while |
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| 09:58.29 | kozzi | it's like everyday around this time since PR1.2 release |
| 09:58.43 | kozzi | it gets backup about 4-5 hours later though |
| 10:00.27 | itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: yeah, there was a thread about it |
| 10:01.21 | itsnotabigtruck | the admin said the web server process has been crashing and not restarting |
| 10:01.29 | itsnotabigtruck | and suggested it was due to monitoring software (ironic :p) |
| 10:06.55 | mcfrisk | anyone know where to download linux flasher and image for PR1.2? I think my update was screwed, network problems and reboot failures, and update repairs, but there are some font problems and various slowdowns. |
| 10:07.51 | itsnotabigtruck | mcfrisk: check out my guide |
| 10:07.54 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, except, tmo is down |
| 10:07.57 | itsnotabigtruck | googlecachetiem |
| 10:08.27 | itsnotabigtruck | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Ftalk.maemo.org%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D82693&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 10:09.44 | itsnotabigtruck | do the "Comprehensive reset" if you don't mind erasing your music/maps/docs/pics - that's the closest thing to starting from scratch |
| 10:10.31 | itsnotabigtruck | is it just me, or is google cache updating a lot more frequently than it used to...that cached page contains changes i made a few hours ago |
| 10:10.39 | mcfrisk | itsnotabigtruck: thanks, I'm pretty familiar with linux flasher and images, but needed to find them first :) |
| 10:12.53 | kozzi | one thing google is good at, collecting stuffs |
| 10:13.23 | kozzi | quite boring now that my N9 is at Nokia Care |
| 10:14.16 | kozzi | any other place to go for maemo/meego stuffs ? |
| 10:14.21 | kozzi | other than meego.com |
| 10:15.01 | Aranel[mobi] | my-meego? |
| 10:15.16 | kozzi | oh yeah, forgot that they also have forum |
| 10:15.26 | itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: forums, or app directories |
| 10:15.44 | itsnotabigtruck | http://n9-apps.com/ is a pretty good listing of apps, though near everything is a link to either tmo or ovi store |
| 10:16.26 | kozzi | I know about that site, what I mean is discussion forums |
| 10:16.54 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, TMO and FMC are really the only particularly lively forums |
| 10:17.08 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a few symbian sites that tried to expand into meego a little |
| 10:17.24 | kozzi | yeah but none succeeded |
| 10:17.55 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like my-meego forum = my-symbian forum |
| 10:18.19 | kozzi | btw, now that Google talk video can be implemented, any idea if msn video is doable ? |
| 10:18.34 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone implemented it for telepathy? |
| 10:18.44 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. in telepathy-butterfly |
| 10:18.46 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, probably |
| 10:19.00 | kozzi | none of my friends use gmail, other than for spams |
| 10:19.47 | kozzi | don't think so, the current msn support isn't quite there yet |
| 10:19.56 | kozzi | no file transfer, avatar support |
| 10:20.09 | itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: http://blog.desmottes.be/post/2009/09/14/MSN-audio/video-chat-in-Telepathy |
| 10:20.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd strongly recommend moving away from MSN asap, but there you go |
| 10:20.40 | itsnotabigtruck | get telepathy-butterfly installed and configured, and install the video call enabler from the store |
| 10:20.52 | itsnotabigtruck | despite what it says, it enables video call support globally |
| 10:20.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not just for gtalk |
| 10:21.21 | itsnotabigtruck | one thing that could be problematic - i don't think an accounts plugin exists for telepathy-butterfly |
| 10:21.46 | itsnotabigtruck | telepathy-haze (which is what "extraplugins" in the store uses) won't cut it for audio/video |
| 10:22.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i have no idea if this will actually work, but it sounds like the best bet |
| 10:22.25 | itsnotabigtruck | remember that MSN is totally unencrypted |
| 10:22.46 | itsnotabigtruck | however, telepathy doesn't support secure rtp, so all voice or video calls are totally unencrypted no matter what you use |
| 10:24.14 | kozzi | so, it all depends on extraplugins maker to decide whether to support it or now ? |
| 10:24.24 | kozzi | *now=not |
| 10:24.40 | itsnotabigtruck | kozzi: no, extraplugins is a dead end for that |
| 10:24.47 | itsnotabigtruck | extraplugins uses telepathy-haze for everything |
| 10:24.57 | itsnotabigtruck | which is a connector between pidgin (libpurple) and telepathy |
| 10:25.03 | itsnotabigtruck | so it doesn't support anything but the basics |
| 10:26.55 | itsnotabigtruck | this is kinda the problem, there's a bunch of ways to connect to an IM service and all of them have downsides |
| 10:27.05 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, you can add the butterfly msn account using mc-tool in the shell |
| 10:27.22 | kozzi | yeah, I was wondering what's the different between two method on tmo |
| 10:27.23 | itsnotabigtruck | it won't integrate into accounts and contacts, only into messaging |
| 10:27.27 | kozzi | haze and butterfly |
| 10:27.46 | kozzi | now I got it |
| 10:28.10 | itsnotabigtruck | right, native telepathy vs pidgin compatibility |
| 10:28.46 | itsnotabigtruck | obviously the main reason to use telepathy-haze is that it gets you reasonably functional support for everything pidgin can speak, which is a lot |
| 10:28.49 | kozzi | I remember that you said, you were developing a xmpp plugin/addon to be used inplace of the default one |
| 10:29.02 | itsnotabigtruck | i said i was thinking about it...haven't actually started :( |
| 10:29.15 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, implementing that should allow xmpp to be used with any server, with video calling and everything |
| 10:29.19 | kozzi | oh, it good that you gave it a though :) |
| 10:29.19 | itsnotabigtruck | just like the google talk plugin |
| 10:30.02 | kozzi | it would be awesome |
| 10:30.10 | itsnotabigtruck | remember that if you ever connect to e.g. a wifi hotspot |
| 10:30.28 | itsnotabigtruck | someone can lift all your confidential messages by firing up wireshark and clicking a few buttons |
| 10:30.55 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the problem with wlm/msn |
| 10:31.27 | kozzi | yes, but I think like most people, the choice is whether facebook or MSn |
| 10:31.53 | kozzi | I don't think most ppl really mind that |
| 10:32.20 | kozzi | otg, messaging is done mostly using 3g anyway |
| 10:32.46 | itsnotabigtruck | that's kind of the problem...everyone *should* mind that, whether they're speaking about anything actually secret or not |
| 10:32.53 | kozzi | and I just simply dislike facebook |
| 10:33.01 | itsnotabigtruck | but vendors don't care about security, and users don't demand security |
| 10:33.51 | kozzi | well, I don't really know what's safe anymore |
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| 10:34.10 | kozzi | at the end-user point of view, it's important that it just works :( |
| 10:34.29 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing, the N9 doesn't support any sort of end to end encryption anyway |
| 10:34.47 | itsnotabigtruck | and 99% of the time no matter what protocol is used, the messages are passing through the im servers of some major corporation |
| 10:35.42 | kozzi | omg, I'm starting to sound like my cousin, who use iphone |
| 10:35.50 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 10:36.24 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm probably a bit paranoid about that stuff...at the same time, everybody benefits by making security ubiquitous |
| 10:36.42 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's not really happening |
| 10:37.18 | kozzi | big guys, decide the path, not much you can do |
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| 10:53.09 | Arkenoi | was trying to find someone to implement p2p encryption, no luck :-( |
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| 10:53.50 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Why not do it yourself, you being a security wizard etc? |
| 10:54.10 | Arkenoi | RST38h, no having much time to write code :-( |
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| 11:06.50 | flux | it appears the n9 mail agent still isn't suitable for use with my imap provider, because it recursively finds everything from each folder (including maildir contents as separate folders) |
| 11:06.51 | itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi: for what application? |
| 11:07.04 | flux | any suggestions if I can mock around with it with gconftool or ~user/.config? I cannot find the settings there.. |
| 11:07.43 | flux | if I only could tell it the default folder, it would probably work just fine.. |
| 11:07.45 | Arkenoi | itsnotabigtruck, i was targeting maemo5, so i just wanted to integrate it to telepathy/messaging smoothly. don't know if it is possible with harmattan and aegis. |
| 11:08.29 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
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| 11:08.45 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the problem is a) afaik there's no interface in telepathy for end to end security |
| 11:08.51 | itsnotabigtruck | so you'd be doing that from scratch |
| 11:09.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and then b) the gui in messaging/call-ui needs to be adjusted to be security aware |
| 11:09.15 | petteri | otr encryption on N9 would be nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging |
| 11:09.19 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the call screen needs to have go secure/go clear/short authentication string widgets |
| 11:09.29 | itsnotabigtruck | for voice encryption |
| 11:09.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and all of the communication gui stuff is non-oss so that's very lame |
| 11:09.42 | itsnotabigtruck | aegis isn't the main issue |
| 11:10.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, for otr, there has to be go secure/go clear/confirm fingerprint buttons |
| 11:10.24 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe some sort of key management gui |
| 11:10.43 | itsnotabigtruck | i really don't like otr but the alternatives are worse, secure im seems to be at a standstill lately |
| 11:12.02 | Tronic | I really hate the fact that open-source internet telephony fails so miserably. |
| 11:12.32 | Tronic | is still looking something as easy to as Skype and with encryption built-in and always in use. |
| 11:13.48 | Tronic | Add "OTR" verification for key signatures if you wish. Do not enforce not recording calls even when OTR is used. |
| 11:14.38 | itsnotabigtruck | well, there has to be verification of some sort |
| 11:14.47 | itsnotabigtruck | MITM attacks are only rare because popular security protocols defend against them |
| 11:15.31 | itsnotabigtruck | if web browsers didn't validate certificates, do you think isps in many parts of the world wouldn't start just mitming every ssl connection that's made? |
| 11:15.57 | Tronic | Do you really think that they cannot attack via CAs? |
| 11:16.33 | itsnotabigtruck | those tend to be short term by their very nature |
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| 11:16.53 | itsnotabigtruck | also depending on which ca you're talking about, it could be incredibly obvious |
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| 11:17.05 | Tronic | I think the main part of security comes from verifying that the key stays the same. If you connect via a secure network the first time, you can tell that you are directly connected with the same peer even when on insecure network. |
| 11:17.08 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. if gmail.com was suddenly signed by the us federal pki |
| 11:17.12 | itsnotabigtruck | you know something's up |
| 11:17.14 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 11:18.39 | Tronic | But yes, key fingerprint verification is pretty basic stuff that just should be there. |
| 11:19.07 | Tronic | It still is quite impossible to fake that if verification is done over voice. |
| 11:19.37 | Tronic | What it cannot guarantee, of course, is that you are speaking with the right person to start with. |
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| 11:48.43 | Myname24 | Forum tmo is on |
| 11:51.30 | pa | question: with 1.1 it often happens that if WiFi is not on, and one tries to use the net, wifi goes on, but by the time it's on, the application returns an error |
| 11:51.47 | pa | including the manual syncing with MfE |
| 11:51.53 | pa | does this still happen with 1.2? |
| 11:57.54 | kevin_b | Hello guys |
| 11:58.26 | kevin_b | Is there a way to trigger the 1.2 OTA update? (never ever had the 1.1 notification) |
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| 11:58.47 | CissWit | kevin_b: it depends on the variant you have |
| 11:59.45 | CissWit | i had the OTA update for PR1.1 last week only. |
| 12:00.29 | kevin_b | I think it is a Austrian variant |
| 12:02.29 | CissWit | kevin_b: you can know the exact variant you have by looking at the last 3 number of the version string |
| 12:03.33 | kevin_b | 480 |
| 12:05.51 | CissWit | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/02/28/patience-is-a-virtue-when-waiting-for-a-platform-update look at the two last comments. |
| 12:06.10 | CissWit | it seems the only PR 1.1 update for PR_480 variant is via NSU. |
| 12:07.58 | CissWit | all those variants issues are really a pain. |
| 12:09.25 | itsnotabigtruck | CissWit: pretty sure those australian variants don't have any updates at all |
| 12:09.32 | itsnotabigtruck | you have to debrand by flashing |
| 12:10.45 | CissWit | itsnotabigtruck: D.Cent and rahulthewall say they had the update via NSU in the comments. |
| 12:11.13 | CissWit | I have the 232 variant, don't know what country it's from, but i got the OTA PR1.1 last week. |
| 12:12.42 | CissWit | hum, australian, i read austrian. |
| 12:13.24 | flux | this is great. n9 email program decides that all folders, including the spam folder, are as worthy of email notifications as everything else. is there a fix to this? or is the Inbox I'm seeing something the server virtually generates? |
| 12:13.33 | kevin_b | actually 480 is from switzerland / austrian area |
| 12:13.38 | auenf | PR_299 ftw! |
| 12:13.50 | kevin_b | thanks for the Info CissWit |
| 12:14.30 | matrixx | flux: which email service are you using? At least I haven't encountered such problem with hotmail or gmail |
| 12:15.02 | flux | matrixx, the "other mail server", a Dovect-based IMAP server |
| 12:15.22 | matrixx | hmm, don't know about that :/ |
| 12:15.48 | nid0 | by default the n9 wont even check subfolders for mail at the same time as the inbox unless you star them |
| 12:16.20 | flux | nid0, I do wonder what the 'Inbox' is in this case.. it appears to contain my all mail, including spam, but my actual INBOX doesn't have that.. |
| 12:16.28 | flux | the list of folders separately lists Inbox and INBOX |
| 12:17.08 | nid0 | I would check that server-side, as the n9 will simply fetch your account global imap folder subscriptions and display those |
| 12:18.06 | flux | the actual client-side problem seems to stem from that I cannot prevent it from using Inbox |
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| 12:29.58 | pa | is it my impression or budaemon started to eat more ? what can it be? |
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| 12:36.26 | itsnotabigtruck | CissWit kevin_b: whoops, sorry |
| 12:36.30 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm *very* tired right now |
| 12:36.42 | itsnotabigtruck | didn't think i'd ever make the austria/australia mistake :p |
| 12:37.01 | itsnotabigtruck | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Austria :p |
| 12:51.04 | gri | Anyone understands the Ovi store? http://store.ovi.com/search?q=web2sms shows "Your search did not match any items compatible with your phone." (n9 selected) but the direct link works: http://store.ovi.com/content/221381 |
| 12:54.20 | itsnotabigtruck | weird |
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| 13:05.15 | pa | is it still a problem to boot N9 open mode? |
| 13:05.27 | pa | no way to get rid of those warnings for good? |
| 13:05.43 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: well, open mode = having the warning |
| 13:05.59 | itsnotabigtruck | i believe it's possible to trick out your warning screen with a replacement image |
| 13:06.07 | pa | ah |
| 13:06.07 | itsnotabigtruck | don't think anyone's actually implemented that yet |
| 13:06.30 | pa | but after all, what exactly changes? no aegis, but what else? and what does no aegis imply? |
| 13:06.38 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, you still have aegis |
| 13:07.07 | itsnotabigtruck | what changes is a) aegis operates using a different key, which messes up most aegis-related things |
| 13:07.18 | itsnotabigtruck | so you have to expunge everything when entering or leaving open mode |
| 13:07.34 | itsnotabigtruck | and b) a few things check if you're in open mode and allow you to do additional things |
| 13:07.53 | itsnotabigtruck | namely, you can install packages with any level of aegis access without any signature |
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| 13:08.09 | pa | i see.. |
| 13:08.13 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i opensh.deb |
| 13:08.21 | itsnotabigtruck | then you have a shell that lets you do anything (sort of) |
| 13:08.29 | pa | so no way to get open mode seamless? meaning no expunging? |
| 13:09.07 | itsnotabigtruck | well, if you can do that, it wouldn't be open mode anymore |
| 13:09.18 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be normal mode with an awesome hack |
| 13:09.26 | pa | :) |
| 13:09.44 | itsnotabigtruck | nothing yet but it's only a matter of time until someone does that |
| 13:10.11 | pa | but what would happen if one apt-get remove aegis? |
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| 13:10.32 | itsnotabigtruck | if you apt-get remove aegis-enabler you'll fsck up your phone and have to reflash |
| 13:12.15 | itsnotabigtruck | because the kernel is hardwired to use the init process included with aegis-enabler |
| 13:12.59 | faenil | guys |
| 13:13.06 | faenil | edges in my notebook monitor are flashing :( |
| 13:13.07 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah? |
| 13:13.14 | faenil | has anyone ever seen anything like that? |
| 13:13.17 | itsnotabigtruck | that's no good :/ |
| 13:13.26 | itsnotabigtruck | no...maybe it's the backlight dying |
| 13:13.27 | faenil | in BIOS too, so it's LED imho.. .:( |
| 13:13.32 | faenil | yeah... |
| 13:13.56 | pa | ah in understand now |
| 13:13.58 | pa | thanks |
| 13:14.20 | pa | so by the way, is it safe to reflash pr1.2 now, or are there all those weird problem still? |
| 13:14.34 | itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure it's pretty safe |
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| 13:15.11 | pa | im not sure if to reflash now, and update to 1.3 |
| 13:15.17 | pa | or reflash directly 1.3 |
| 13:15.30 | kevin_b | 1.3 's out :)? |
| 13:16.09 | pa | no |
| 13:16.18 | pa | but it should be reasonably soon |
| 13:16.22 | itsnotabigtruck | unless restoring your files is a huge hassle, flash whenever you need/want to |
| 13:16.30 | pa | well |
| 13:16.36 | pa | basically it is reinstalling stuff |
| 13:16.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, flashing a dozen times a day probably isn't very good for the flash chips - they have finite read/write cycles |
| 13:16.57 | itsnotabigtruck | so don't get all ocd about it :p |
| 13:17.27 | CissWit | is there official ways to flash the n9 ? |
| 13:17.38 | itsnotabigtruck | CissWit: yeah, nokia software updater |
| 13:17.59 | CissWit | would it allow me to change the variant ? |
| 13:18.06 | itsnotabigtruck | nope |
| 13:18.21 | itsnotabigtruck | it always reflashes the latest version for your product code (= same variant) |
| 13:18.39 | itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't let you restore the user data partition |
| 13:18.45 | itsnotabigtruck | and a lot of the time, what's messed up is on there |
| 13:19.28 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 < check out the flashing guide |
| 13:20.40 | pa | 34 pkg to reinstall if i reflash :) |
| 13:20.52 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 13:21.10 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, thanks for writing that guide, btw |
| 13:21.14 | itsnotabigtruck | well, you probably don't need all of those anyway - it's a good opportunity to short through which apps you need to keep |
| 13:21.19 | itsnotabigtruck | oh yeah, you already saw it i guess |
| 13:21.29 | itsnotabigtruck | *sort through |
| 13:23.45 | itsnotabigtruck | wants http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-drop for the N9 |
| 13:24.35 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i don't know if that particular implementation is all that great |
| 13:24.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's a neat concept |
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| 13:34.13 | pa | question: is there any way to store message threads somewhere, with N9? |
| 13:34.27 | itsnotabigtruck | you mean like export them to flat files? |
| 13:34.30 | pa | i mean, say i wanna delete a thread from the phone, but keep it |
| 13:34.35 | itsnotabigtruck | don't think so |
| 13:34.38 | pa | for example |
| 13:34.42 | itsnotabigtruck | you can upload them with nokia suite |
| 13:34.53 | pa | i know syncml for N9 does not support sms |
| 13:35.01 | pa | but maybe there's another way |
| 13:35.11 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, do you know where messages are stored? |
| 13:37.42 | itsnotabigtruck | not an idea |
| 13:37.49 | itsnotabigtruck | somewhere inside ~user :p |
| 13:38.16 | pa | lemme check |
| 13:38.56 | Aard | pa: tracker, iirc |
| 13:39.44 | pa | tracker? |
| 13:39.49 | pa | directory? |
| 13:39.56 | itsnotabigtruck | btw in case any of you have use for it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 |
| 13:40.03 | Aard | https://meego.gitorious.org/tracker |
| 13:40.07 | pa | ah |
| 13:40.09 | itsnotabigtruck | (enables wi-fi hotspot for us users) |
| 13:40.11 | pa | thanks |
| 13:40.20 | itsnotabigtruck | and tracker is a file indexer |
| 13:40.43 | pa | you mean a sort of slocate? |
| 13:41.20 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: tracker is more than a file indexer, unfortunately |
| 13:41.30 | Aard | pa: http://wiki.meego.com/Commhistory |
| 13:41.55 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: heavier than that, but kinda |
| 13:42.12 | itsnotabigtruck | think more like the windows search indexer or spotlight or something |
| 13:42.16 | itsnotabigtruck | a lot of people here really dislike it |
| 13:44.48 | pa | btw where do i store aliases in ash? |
| 13:45.02 | pa | i mean, theres no .bashrc, im used only to bash |
| 13:45.12 | itsnotabigtruck | /etc/profile i think? |
| 13:45.46 | pa | ah thanks |
| 13:46.28 | sp3000 | .bashrc works |
| 13:46.48 | sp3000 | or, well, .profile works |
| 13:46.56 | sp3000 | and .bashrc if .profile runs it ;) |
| 13:47.24 | pa | it would also be great to have midnight commander, for when using it via ssh |
| 13:47.34 | pa | i wonder if there's such package for harmattan |
| 13:51.30 | pa | Aard, im checking into .commhistory dirs, but i cant find the sms |
| 13:51.45 | pa | and im a little afraid of shooting an rgrep |
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| 13:59.55 | Aard | pa: it's somewhere in one of the databases. don't expect to find a database only containing sms |
| 14:00.12 | Aard | the way to access it would be through tracker, or commhistory |
| 14:02.52 | pa | ah |
| 14:02.53 | pa | i see |
| 14:03.36 | pa | it kinda sucks |
| 14:04.01 | pa | and no i dont want to use some shitty nokia software to save my sms |
| 14:04.14 | pa | it's 2012 |
| 14:04.19 | mgedmin | my n9 task switcher has a weird all-blank black app window |
| 14:04.26 | mgedmin | how can I identify which app has it open? |
| 14:04.37 | Aard | pa: you just want to save it, or you want to save _and_ read it? |
| 14:04.55 | pa | haha, well also read at some point in time |
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| 14:09.32 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1173069 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1173084 |
| 14:09.35 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, strange |
| 14:09.52 | itsnotabigtruck | bb5_rdc_cert_read failed MTC_NOS_READY not received CMT RFS failed |
| 14:09.59 | itsnotabigtruck | two people receiving ^ that in a short timeframe |
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| 14:13.31 | Aard | pa: if you use the on-device backup application you'll get a big sqlite-database containing evyrithing messaging-related, incl. sms |
| 14:13.57 | Aard | it'll be in contacts.zip, Root/home/user/MyDocs/.tmp/trackerbackup |
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| 14:14.05 | pa | Aard, ah really? |
| 14:14.16 | pa | well then it should be visible with any sqlite client, right? |
| 14:14.23 | Aard | yes |
| 14:14.28 | pa | thats actually great |
| 14:14.34 | pa | i'll try it out |
| 14:14.37 | pa | thanks |
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| 14:22.44 | faenil | is there anyone in here who owns a RIM Playbook |
| 14:22.45 | faenil | ? |
| 14:24.25 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe? |
| 14:24.32 | itsnotabigtruck | i think djszapi has one |
| 14:25.09 | faenil | mmm have you seen him lately? |
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| 14:25.24 | knobtviker | hello |
| 14:25.36 | knobtviker | can somebody help please |
| 14:26.19 | knobtviker | my camera stopped responding 'Try again, camera stopped responding' infobanner |
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| 14:26.48 | knobtviker | what packages should i apt-get to try and reinstall |
| 14:26.51 | knobtviker | ? |
| 14:31.11 | sp3000 | like after an update or otherwise |
| 14:32.19 | sp3000 | likes to talk to people who aren't there |
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| 14:41.21 | tabasko | my camera also stops responding quite often on pr1.2 |
| 14:41.35 | tabasko | especially if I try use that multhost feature |
| 14:41.39 | tabasko | *multishot |
| 14:57.17 | pa | Aard, as far as you know, is the backup incremental? |
| 14:57.26 | pa | meaning stuff get added to the db? |
| 14:57.37 | Aard | pa: no, each backup is a full backup |
| 14:57.47 | pa | ah okay |
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| 14:58.33 | Aard | would be too messy otherwise, with you having to copy it off usb mass storage, and back to the device for restore |
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| 15:55.30 | itsnotabigtruck | just when i try to sleep, BAM gigantic thunderstorm |
| 15:55.38 | itsnotabigtruck | just my luck today |
| 15:57.41 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: sleep is for weaks ÖD |
| 15:57.43 | djszapi | :D |
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| 16:30.27 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 16:30.51 | itsnotabigtruck | interesting, so it looks like in both of these MTC_NOS_READY cases |
| 16:31.10 | itsnotabigtruck | the CMT got flashed to 1.2, but the SW cert got left at 1.1 |
| 16:31.28 | itsnotabigtruck | so the user had to flash everything except the CMT back to 1.1, and the CMT to 1.2 |
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| 16:54.54 | itsnotabigtruck | yay |
| 16:54.56 | itsnotabigtruck | bug #1062 |
| 16:55.01 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062 nor, ---, ---, marcell.lengyel, ASSI, libfcam-dev (camera control API) not available in Platform SDK |
| 16:55.16 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently the next SDK is supposed to be shipping with libfcam-dev |
| 16:55.46 | itsnotabigtruck | well, "next update to the SDK", not sure how substantial this will actually be |
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| 17:45.54 | pa | you mean qt sdk 1.3? |
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| 18:26.49 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: platform sdk i assume |
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| 19:23.55 | blueslee | how do i update the index for media files, my photos are not shown |
| 19:29.15 | phako | where? |
| 19:29.34 | blueslee | in the gallery (n9) |
| 19:29.34 | tehdely | music player is so batshit insane when it comes to track ordering |
| 19:29.41 | tehdely | if your album happens to be of the 'various artists' variety |
| 19:29.46 | tehdely | good luck getting it to play in order |
| 19:29.48 | tehdely | i'm suing Nokia!!! |
| 19:30.08 | blueslee | no, i will do that;-) |
| 19:30.22 | phako | -.- |
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| 20:23.59 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82724 |
| 20:25.27 | phako | broken |
| 20:25.58 | itsnotabigtruck | oh FFS |
| 20:26.04 | itsnotabigtruck | tmo *just* went down, again |
| 20:26.27 | itsnotabigtruck | it's been getting more and more frequent |
| 20:26.31 | phako | yeah, I was just posting and went back to search and it disappeared |
| 20:27.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't seem like ad-hac's received much attention :( though it's only useful for a very small audience |
| 20:28.49 | itsnotabigtruck | there's like 3 regulars here from the us and therefore affected by the wifi hotspot lockout |
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| 20:31.07 | tehdely | itsnotabigtruck: here's your attention: "it works, thank you very much :)" |
| 20:31.25 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 20:31.28 | itsnotabigtruck | btw tmo's back up |
| 20:31.36 | tehdely | i fled t-mo years ago |
| 20:31.38 | tehdely | for AT&T, of all things |
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| 20:31.59 | itsnotabigtruck | the other tmo >_> |
| 20:32.04 | tehdely | oh, in .de? |
| 20:32.13 | itsnotabigtruck | no, TMO here usually = talk.maemo.org |
| 20:32.17 | tehdely | oh |
| 20:32.18 | tehdely | lol |
| 20:32.24 | tehdely | i hear tmo i think T-Mobile ;P |
| 20:32.30 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, so do i :p |
| 20:33.01 | itsnotabigtruck | likes his $15 at&t data plan |
| 20:33.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame t-mobile got rid of those lower cost contract-free plans a ways back |
| 20:33.18 | tehdely | i'm on data-pro |
| 20:33.19 | tehdely | $25/mo |
| 20:33.27 | tehdely | my other phone has the tether plan, cause work pays for it :> |
| 20:33.34 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 20:33.59 | itsnotabigtruck | you can probably put your line on media net and pay $10 less, but it might be tricky |
| 20:34.37 | tehdely | no need |
| 20:34.42 | itsnotabigtruck | they started wisening up to that sort of thing a long time ago so it's probably not so easy anymore to get them to reclassify your line as not having a smartphone |
| 20:35.03 | tehdely | i had to switch to a micro-SIM when my N9 arrived |
| 20:35.10 | tehdely | and they actually insisted on having an IMEI to activate the SIM |
| 20:35.21 | tehdely | they know what i've got |
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| 20:35.24 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas a few years ago you could put your sim into a dumb-phone, call them up and tell them you're no longer using a smartphone, and give them your dumb-phone's imei |
| 20:35.36 | itsnotabigtruck | then enable data unlimited/media net and put the sim back in the smartphone |
| 20:35.47 | itsnotabigtruck | even if you just bought a smartphone on contract |
| 20:36.07 | itsnotabigtruck | a few years ago = before the iphone made data plans serious business |
| 20:36.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also strange...i got my microsim without even having the N9 with me |
| 20:39.07 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: did you go to a corporate store or a franchisee |
| 20:39.22 | tehdely | corporate store |
| 20:39.31 | tehdely | the guy actually screwed up, too |
| 20:39.39 | tehdely | when i went to my office and unboxed the N9 and put the SIM in, the SIM wasn't activated |
| 20:39.41 | tehdely | had to do it over th ephone |
| 20:39.46 | tehdely | but he did actually scan the IMEI right off the box, at the store |
| 20:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | you got strange business over there |
| 20:39.59 | rigo | :) was my reaction too |
| 20:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | here nobody cares what phone you put your sim in |
| 20:40.11 | rigo | DocScrutinizer, they also pay to receive calls |
| 20:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | indeed :-P |
| 20:41.18 | rigo | here works only as long as you don't go from one state to another. Before the Commission came down on them, the austrian providers took 3.50€ per minute for roaming |
| 20:41.52 | itsnotabigtruck | rigo: except that US phone plans usually come with zillions of domestic minutes anyway |
| 20:41.58 | itsnotabigtruck | the real ripoff is text messaging |
| 20:42.29 | rigo | ha! they know the youngsters |
| 20:42.54 | itsnotabigtruck | with at&t, you get a choice between $0.25 per sms (in and out), or $15 to $20/mo for flat rate unlimited |
| 20:42.59 | itsnotabigtruck | both are a scam, really |
| 20:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha, pay for inbound SMS |
| 20:43.38 | itsnotabigtruck | they used to have a few steps in between but they got rid of them in order to force everyone onto the expensive unlimited plan |
| 20:43.38 | rigo | hm, at current conversion rate that's equivalent to here :) |
| 20:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | as if I had a choice |
| 20:43.54 | rigo | inbound???? |
| 20:43.57 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's the really evil thing |
| 20:44.00 | tehdely | i'm on a family plan with my work phone + my boyfriend's iPhone |
| 20:44.03 | tehdely | i actually get a pretty good eal |
| 20:44.12 | itsnotabigtruck | you can choose not to answer a call, but you get the text message whether you wanted it or not |
| 20:44.13 | tehdely | we share one plan with unlimited SMS, MMS, and mobile-to-any-mobile calling |
| 20:44.17 | tehdely | so even if they're not on AT&T the call is free |
| 20:44.36 | tehdely | really it just translates to unlimited, period, since i make so few calls that aren't to a mobile that they fall under whatever our minutes allotment is |
| 20:44.38 | tehdely | which is, i think, 700 |
| 20:44.43 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: are you sure about that? i'm pretty sure "mobile to mobile" always means in-network |
| 20:44.53 | tehdely | no |
| 20:44.54 | itsnotabigtruck | but right now i have thousands of rollover minutes so it doesn't really matter |
| 20:45.00 | tehdely | this is a new thing |
| 20:45.03 | tehdely | mobile-to-ANY-mobile |
| 20:45.07 | tehdely | emphasis on "any" |
| 20:45.07 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm |
| 20:45.18 | tehdely | AT&T has been pulling out all the stops to keep customers, ever since Verizon got the iPhone |
| 20:45.25 | tehdely | they went: "oh shit! we're expensive as hell and our network is awful!" |
| 20:45.34 | tehdely | it would have been nice if they had realized or cared about that earlier, but no |
| 20:46.28 | rigo | have a nice WE all! |
| 20:46.31 | rigo | bye |
| 20:46.31 | itsnotabigtruck | later rigo! |
| 20:46.41 | tehdely | i'm goin' skiing :) |
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| 21:19.13 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone still on? |
| 21:19.15 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1112591&postcount=58 |
| 21:19.42 | itsnotabigtruck | any idea how the rumored bit is stored on the N900? |
| 21:19.43 | pa | does harmattan support contact groups, so far? |
| 21:21.49 | phako | pa: define contact groups |
| 21:22.00 | phako | what capabilites should they have? |
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| 21:26.18 | pa | phako, it's a tag for the contact |
| 21:26.24 | pa | capability: filter by tag |
| 21:26.29 | phako | yes |
| 21:26.34 | pa | possibly multiple tag |
| 21:26.36 | pa | is it there? |
| 21:26.45 | phako | yes |
| 21:26.47 | pa | but is it synced with MfE? |
| 21:26.51 | phako | no |
| 21:26.56 | pa | shit.. |
| 21:26.57 | phako | MfE is a piece of crap |
| 21:27.02 | phako | protocol |
| 21:27.12 | pa | phako, but is it the only way to sync contacts on N9, isnt it? |
| 21:27.23 | phako | no. SyncML works |
| 21:27.46 | phako | but groups weren't synced there as well either |
| 21:27.56 | phako | might have changed after I left the contacts area |
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| 21:28.29 | pa | SyncML? i didnt get how to use it..under accounts i saw only MfE as option to sync contats |
| 21:28.31 | pa | cts |
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| 21:29.16 | pa | is it on "nokia account"? |
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| 21:30.44 | phako | er |
| 21:30.47 | phako | good question |
| 21:32.59 | pa | phako, i found this: |
| 21:33.02 | pa | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Why-no-SyncML-support-for-Harmattan/td-p/1212129 |
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| 21:34.05 | phako | Could be that SyncML only works between devices via "Synchronisation" and the Nokia account |
| 21:35.24 | pa | no comment.. |
| 21:35.28 | pa | :) |
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| 22:17.57 | pa | how can i press "canc" on N9 keryboard? |
| 22:18.18 | ajalkane | what's a "canc" ? |
| 22:18.50 | pa | canc key |
| 22:18.54 | pa | i see only backspace |
| 22:19.03 | ajalkane | you mean delete key? |
| 22:20.13 | ajalkane | or esc? |
| 22:20.56 | pa | yes delete sorry |
| 22:21.09 | ajalkane | you need to use swype keyboard for that |
| 22:21.16 | pa | ah |
| 22:21.20 | pa | its not there otherwise? |
| 22:21.23 | pa | i see |
| 22:21.29 | ajalkane | no, unless you edit the keyboard mappings |
| 22:21.57 | ajalkane | but the swype keyboard has many other goodies also, like arrow keys etc. |
| 22:23.12 | pa | i'd like |
| 22:23.22 | pa | but i tried to turn it on on 1.1 and it didnt really work |
| 22:23.40 | ajalkane | did not? Has worked for me spendidly. What's the problem? |
| 22:24.05 | ieatlint | note that in the terminal, there is an esc button |
| 22:24.13 | pa | it did not appear at all |
| 22:24.17 | pa | even it was there |
| 22:24.18 | ieatlint | so if that's where you want it.. |
| 22:24.25 | ajalkane | you need to swipe to get into the swype ;) |
| 22:24.27 | pa | if i was pressing in the black, some keys were popping up |
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| 22:24.34 | ieatlint | it won't be on the keyboard, it'll be part of a toolbar just above it |
| 22:25.05 | ajalkane | humm... that's weird |
| 22:26.10 | ieatlint | well, the terminal may be in select mode... there's a button in the upper right to toggle that |
| 22:26.31 | ieatlint | when it's not in select mode, if the esc key isn't visible, swipe left/right on the terminal window and it will change the buttons shown on the toolbar |
| 22:26.39 | ieatlint | (god, this sounds a lot more complicated than it is) |
| 22:27.05 | pa | ah yes that i noticed |
| 22:28.29 | ajalkane | so when you activate swype, you just get black rectangle where keyboard is supposed to be? |
| 22:29.00 | pa | yes thats what i was getting |
| 22:29.14 | pa | now im trying again |
| 22:29.33 | ajalkane | try swyping the keyboard... you know, like when you change languages in the stock keyboard |
| 22:29.48 | ajalkane | maybe that could resolve it. If not, rebooting phone could be the answer. |
| 22:30.09 | ieatlint | and don't confuse swipe, swype and the verb swipe... they're all different things :P |
| 22:30.30 | ajalkane | yeah, forgive my drunken banter with mixed y's and i's |
| 22:31.55 | pa | now it looks like it works |
| 22:32.40 | ajalkane | anyway, I just got a white N9 so I'm in a better mood than usually. |
| 22:33.00 | ieatlint | yay white |
| 22:33.18 | ajalkane | So shiny |
| 22:33.37 | ieatlint | i need a pink one |
| 22:33.48 | ieatlint | then i'll have the full set |
| 22:35.18 | ajalkane | In my hours of desperation, when I thought I could never afford N9 (today), I tried to trade my gift Lumia in workplace's intranet to N9. No one took the bait, even as I embellished it with all the right words like "magnificient Lumia, Windows, "dead-on-arrival" N9 etc." |
| 22:36.13 | ieatlint | i'm shocked |
| 22:36.27 | ieatlint | who wouldn't want a windows phone... |
| 22:36.32 | ajalkane | Ah no... I already tried that yesterday I think. Today I was ready to pull the trigger to exchange it with some anonymous person from internet. But the N9 would have been black 16GB |
| 22:37.19 | ajalkane | Yeah, I even tried "Pissed off you don't have Windows in your pocket?" line. I'm not sure what's wrong with those people. But I'm stuck with my Lumia. |
| 22:37.24 | ieatlint | haha, i'd be tempted to do that... another n9 > lumia 800 |
| 22:37.27 | ajalkane | At least it has Fruit Ninja. Good times. |
| 22:38.17 | ajalkane | Yeah. I haven't used the Lumia for 2 months. Used it for 2 weeks after getting it. After that it's been sleeping it's coffin. |
| 22:38.31 | ajalkane | * in its |
| 22:38.33 | ieatlint | i just use my lumia phone to anonymously call 911 and report people i don't like as drunk drivers |
| 22:38.38 | ieatlint | it serves its purpose... |
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| 22:38.57 | ajalkane | It's a portable gaming console for me. |
| 22:40.15 | ajalkane | It's unbelievably hard to get multi-sim from operators in Finland. I want to have 2 sim cards, one for N950 and one for the N9. Seems to be hard. |
| 22:41.18 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, yes this screen is a dust attractor |
| 22:41.20 | DrGrov | ajalkane: I know a solution for this. Heard it from a Saunalahti guy. |
| 22:41.21 | pa | jeez |
| 22:41.50 | ajalkane | DrGrov: yeah? What's the solution? I was just today in the shop and the clerck just said "no can do" |
| 22:42.21 | DrGrov | ajalkane: You would get 2 similar SIM cards with the same number, like a Mokkula and regular phone SIM cards. The problem is that one of them is the active one that gets all SMS / calls but you could use both still but one remains active and the other passive. |
| 22:42.59 | DrGrov | ajalkane: Which operator did you go to and talked today? |
| 22:43.07 | ajalkane | DrGrov: that's okay for me... I guess that's the MobiiliLaajakaista Plus? |
| 22:43.22 | pa | question: harmattan is open source. are open source also the stock applications? like the camera app, for instance |
| 22:43.22 | ajalkane | DrGrov: it was Elisa ShopIt |
| 22:44.01 | DrGrov | ajalkane: Yes, that is the one. It would give you two similar numbers and one remains active and gets all SMS / calls etc. but still could use the other and gives the same number etc. |
| 22:44.06 | ajalkane | But it may be that the clerk just didn't know what he was talking about. But I wouldn't want to buy into something that I'm not sold as like it's supposed to do what I want |
| 22:44.08 | DrGrov | That is how I was told, I trust the guy that told me |
| 22:44.43 | DrGrov | But of course, good to get some type of confirmation about it. I could try to ask the guy next time I go in to Elisa Shopit where I live. |
| 22:44.49 | ajalkane | DrGrov: yeah cool, I figured by reading the web-page it might work that way. I'll just need to go harass some other clerk with this information. |
| 22:45.06 | DrGrov | The problem is that most clerks will not tell you that straight |
| 22:45.36 | DrGrov | Since they do not know it that it works like that. This guy I talked with is a serious haXXor and figured it out in some odd way and told me. |
| 22:45.38 | DrGrov | LOL |
| 22:45.46 | ajalkane | Yeah I think I'll just go asking for MobiiliLaajakaista Plus and start drilling from there deeper. I'm not sure why they seem reluctant to sell multi-sims nowadays |
| 22:46.18 | DrGrov | But be sure that you can actually get it, they might try to "kusettaa" you :/ |
| 22:46.28 | DrGrov | Piss you in the face when you are not watching :/ |
| 22:46.43 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: no, not really |
| 22:46.43 | SpeedEvil | http://aaisp.net.uk/ - have stupidly flexible phone plans. |
| 22:46.48 | SpeedEvil | But only in the UK |
| 22:46.48 | ajalkane | Hehe yeah... that's why I want assurance when I'm buying into it. |
| 22:46.53 | itsnotabigtruck | basically none of the GUI except a few core components is open source |
| 22:47.20 | DrGrov | ajalkane: I would not want to read in Ilta Sanomat or Iltalehti about a Finnish guy going berserk in a Elisa ShopIt and causing mass havoc :) |
| 22:47.21 | pa | so basically if one ask for an enhancement, its only up to nokia. I cannot even do it myself? |
| 22:47.33 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: exactly :/ i really wish they'd open source everything practical |
| 22:47.37 | itsnotabigtruck | well, probably most people here do |
| 22:47.54 | ajalkane | DrGrov: I was really close to doing that when I noticed all N9 stands were replaced by Lumia stands. And all traces of N9s were removed. |
| 22:48.01 | itsnotabigtruck | obviously some things have legitimate business reasons going against it, but a lot of it seems to be "ugh, can't deal with the lawyers" |
| 22:48.02 | pa | i would like to have a manual focus slider on the camera f. ex |
| 22:48.13 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it might make sense to build an entirely new camera app |
| 22:48.17 | pa | but nokia dont seem too eager to accept my request |
| 22:48.25 | Jare | blah, you have to pay extra for mobiililaajakaista plus, but a few years ago you could get multisim (5 sims) relatively cheaply |
| 22:48.32 | itsnotabigtruck | PR1.2 comes with libfcam, which is apparently a library for providing super low level camera access |
| 22:48.33 | DrGrov | ajalkane: I love to see that the N9 is pulled from the shelves. Makes me feel special. |
| 22:48.49 | itsnotabigtruck | there's an app called fcamera for n900 that uses it for raw photos, exposure bracketing, and things like that |
| 22:48.54 | pa | ah creat |
| 22:49.01 | pa | great |
| 22:49.06 | pa | maybe it can be even ported |
| 22:49.13 | ajalkane | Jare: It's only 5€ more from my current, and a bit faster data connection too |
| 22:49.38 | DrGrov | But Mobiililaajakaista Plus is the only way I know about. I do not know any other way to get multi sim |
| 22:50.04 | itsnotabigtruck | also ajalkane: i wasn't aware such a thing even existed |
| 22:50.05 | DrGrov | ajalkane: What type of contract do you have? Something gigantic? |
| 22:50.07 | ajalkane | DrGrov: hehe... I'm just getting a "I pity the fool..." feeling when I see someone with fake N9. |
| 22:50.11 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds like it's basically 2 lines |
| 22:50.23 | itsnotabigtruck | a data only line, and a data/voice line |
| 22:50.41 | DrGrov | ajalkane: I think that the N9 is the last good phone Nokia made |
| 22:50.41 | itsnotabigtruck | the two sims need to have two IMSIs in order to coexist |
| 22:50.41 | ajalkane | DrGrov: No I just have the normal unlimited data that's something like 10€ per month. MobiiliLaajakaista is 14.90 |
| 22:50.43 | DrGrov | But the new 41 Mpix camera phone Nokia is releasing looks quite nice. |
| 22:51.09 | DrGrov | ajalkane: Ok, I got myself the DNA Joustava 12000...... |
| 22:51.13 | DrGrov | runs and hides |
| 22:51.15 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: "fake N9" as in the lumia, or counterfeits |
| 22:51.19 | ajalkane | DrGrov: yeah last good one for many years to come. I guess until 2015/2016 at least. Doesn't bother me. My previous phone was N95 so I'm willing to wait. |
| 22:51.55 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that's the thing, truly awesome phones don't need replacing every year or two |
| 22:51.56 | ajalkane | I looked at DNA but they don't have multi-sim. And I really need to use my N950 also for development. |
| 22:52.13 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: fake N9 as in Lumia ;) |
| 22:52.22 | itsnotabigtruck | they're built to last and refuse to go obsolete |
| 22:52.27 | DrGrov | ajalkane: The only reason I went with DNA is that I got a good bandwith on Matkanetti 384... LOL |
| 22:53.27 | DrGrov | And I get a good signal anywhere I go with DNA. But I am thinking about changing to Saunalahti, not sure though. Perhaps later this year. |
| 22:54.07 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: true true, N9 was the first phone I was truly excited to get since N95 (N900 was close but not enough), so I'm quite sure I'll be using it for many years to come. |
| 22:54.28 | ajalkane | DrGrov: why back to saunalahti? |
| 22:54.42 | DrGrov | ajalkane: I have never had Saunalahti before, I might test it :) |
| 22:54.50 | Jare | I was surprised how well voip seemed to work via DNA a couple of days ago, when my friend called |
| 22:55.08 | Jare | there's no way I could get that low latency with Saunalahti |
| 22:55.14 | DrGrov | My biggest problem is that I can not seem to find the perfect phone. I gone through 9 or 10 phones in 2 years. |
| 22:55.19 | ajalkane | hehe... but saunalahti just uses Elisa's network. DNA uses Sonera, right? |
| 22:55.29 | DrGrov | DNA has its own network |
| 22:55.32 | DrGrov | Yes? |
| 22:55.37 | Jare | yep |
| 22:55.50 | DrGrov | Jare: You mean DNA has its own network correct? |
| 22:55.58 | Jare | yes it has |
| 22:56.14 | ajalkane | Hmm... cool... Somenoe tell DNA to start selling multi-sims |
| 22:56.18 | DrGrov | Ok, I am happy with DNA. Works well in the surroundings where I move |
| 22:56.55 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: can't you just get a 2nd data only line |
| 22:57.03 | itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure this multisim arrangement is in no way "normal" |
| 22:57.17 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: Yes I could, but I want it to work also as a phone. |
| 22:57.46 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: when I'm in middle of developing something and testing it, I want to take N950 with me but still receive and make calls with the same number |
| 22:57.56 | DrGrov | I require multi sim, god damn it. Why does it have to be so hard to get it? |
| 22:58.17 | DrGrov | Then I could finally breath a sign of relief to have 2 good phones combined and making me smile and not always look like I have betrayed myself |
| 22:58.39 | ajalkane | I don't get it either. I guess they're trying to cash more money by forcing people to buy multiple accounts. I don't know. It seems stupid to me. I'm not buying multiple accounts. |
| 22:59.17 | DrGrov | Yeah, feels stupid to keep buying more and more just to get a simple thing as multi sim. |
| 22:59.50 | DrGrov | I would love to get out in the summer with the "lighter" phone and then when I feel like taking the N9 I could do that as well |
| 23:00.14 | DrGrov | Certain situations are not that good for a N9 if I must choose which phone. Regular Nokia 50 phone or a N9. |
| 23:01.01 | ajalkane | Yep. If it was a piece of cake I would take 3 sim cards, and then I could take Lumia with me to summer cottage. "Oops fell into water, no matter it's just a Lumia!" |
| 23:01.14 | DrGrov | ajalkane: LOL :) |
| 23:01.20 | Tronic | I got Mobiililaajakaista Plus just for the multi-sim, so I guess their business does work. |
| 23:01.23 | DrGrov | Well, I am off. Thanks for the talk |
| 23:01.30 | ajalkane | cya |
| 23:01.47 | Tronic | It's not that expensive, anyway, if you mainly use data. |
| 23:02.02 | ajalkane | Tronic: so calls/sms/mms works on both sims? |
| 23:03.41 | Jare | well it depends... it might be a good choice, if you get the promised bandwidth everywhere |
| 23:03.47 | *** part/#harmattan DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 23:03.59 | Jare | otherwise I'm just going to stick with the cheapest one (512kps) |
| 23:04.02 | Jare | kbps |
| 23:04.27 | ajalkane | I have 384, I guess my account is just that old |
| 23:04.38 | Tronic | ajalkane: SMS are only received on the primary SIM, other than that everything works on both. |
| 23:04.49 | Tronic | You can even call yourself and it will ring the other phone. |
| 23:04.59 | Tronic | Normally when someone calls you, both phones ring. |
| 23:05.30 | *** join/#harmattan faenil (~faenil@131.114.170.32) |
| 23:05.38 | ajalkane | Tronic: okay too bad... but I guess I must live with that as there's no better alternative |
| 23:06.18 | Jare | I would be interested in testing the more expensive data plans though |
| 23:06.48 | Jare | just to see how bad qos settings they are using for the cheapest one ;) |
| 23:06.59 | Tronic | Jare: Elisa has a very good network and you actually do get several megabits even in cities and in far-away locations (like our family summer cabin, in Nauvo, on an island with no roads). |
| 23:08.12 | Tronic | Compare that to DNA (Welho) which was heavily congested in Helsinki and that I didn't even try in remote locations. |
| 23:11.33 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: wait, so you're capped to umts speed? |
| 23:12.42 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: hmm? UMTS can theoretically go faster, doesn't it? It's in kbps |
| 23:13.36 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: vanilla umts only goes up to 384 kb/s both ways |
| 23:13.50 | itsnotabigtruck | which is what i thought you said you were limited to |
| 23:14.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. very slow compared to the various sorts of HSPA |
| 23:14.27 | ajalkane | yeah, that's what I'm limited to. I have very old account. I think something like 4-5 year old account. |
| 23:14.53 | ajalkane | But I don't really need anything faster. The latencies are more annoying to me. |
| 23:15.03 | itsnotabigtruck | how much more does it cost to get real speed? |
| 23:15.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i was slightly disappointed in 2 Mb/1 Mb speed, 384 kb is pretty lame |
| 23:17.32 | ajalkane | itsnotabigtruck: seems to be 15€ for 1Mbit/s and 21€ for up to 15Mbit/s (this one I wouldn't trust to give reliable performance) |
| 23:18.19 | ajalkane | But I dunno... 384 has been plenty for me. I just download feeds and surf web-sites. I'm not streaming videos or downloading torrents with my phone. |
| 23:18.20 | itsnotabigtruck | so $28/mo for the HSPA+ service...is there a usage cap? |
| 23:18.28 | ajalkane | No cap |
| 23:18.28 | Jare | what? I'm seeing 13.5€/month for the "15Mbps" |
| 23:18.49 | ajalkane | Jare: I'm looking at Mobiililaajakaista Plus, maybe there's cheaper plans? |
| 23:18.54 | itsnotabigtruck | that's pretty steep but it also sounds par for the course, and no cap |
| 23:19.02 | itsnotabigtruck | though maybe they have some soft cap stuff going on |
| 23:19.11 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. reach 5 gb and you get throttled to 384k |
| 23:19.33 | ajalkane | I don't think they have, Finland has pretty strict policies nowadays on that kind of stuff. |
| 23:19.38 | Jare | ah, well it includes an usb modem and multisim |
| 23:19.40 | ajalkane | I just got a call from my operator about that |
| 23:20.11 | ajalkane | They lowered my costs because the new laws require they must be able to give what they promise |
| 23:26.26 | itsnotabigtruck | usually tight regulation often causes operators to set up more caps and restrictions |
| 23:26.39 | itsnotabigtruck | in order to make sure everything's laid out explicitly while covering their asses |
| 23:26.57 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. "unlimited" turning into a 1gb cap |
| 23:27.59 | ajalkane | Could be. But Finland is pretty small country. I don't think here's that kind of problems (at least yet) with running out of bandwidth. |
| 23:29.42 | itsnotabigtruck | heh, true |
| 23:29.48 | itsnotabigtruck | though isn't e.g. helsinki pretty dense |
| 23:29.50 | njsf | bandwidth is a density problem, not absolute dimension IMO |
| 23:30.06 | itsnotabigtruck | right, density is the enemy |
| 23:30.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it's why cell phone data service is always going to suck in manhattan |
| 23:30.46 | njsf | well it sucks less because you have pretty dense Wifi coverage by the cell providers too |
| 23:31.32 | ajalkane | Helsinki has a population of 0.5 million people. It's dense by Finland's standards, but I guess it's globally a laughing stock when talking about dense ;) |
| 23:32.06 | Jare | nah, data limits are so yesterday's stuff. TeliaSonera is already putting together a content based billing system ;) |
| 23:32.32 | ajalkane | I guess they want to scare off the rest of their remaining customers? |
| 23:33.09 | Jare | dunno about that, but I'm sure others will use it in future too |
| 23:34.03 | ajalkane | I guess by then mobile internet will be unusable for me. |
| 23:34.18 | njsf | until it is the only option... |
| 23:34.19 | Jare | ...if there won't be any legislation against it |
| 23:35.12 | njsf | wired broadband expansion is basically stalled in the US |
| 23:35.12 | ajalkane | If I was dictator of Finland, I'd already have put some legislation about Elop in place. |
| 23:35.42 | itsnotabigtruck | njsf: aren't AT&T and VZW both actively rolling out their lte networks? |
| 23:35.49 | njsf | FiOS and U-verse existing markets are well served all others are screwed |
| 23:35.57 | itsnotabigtruck | clear (wimax) is pretty much dead in the water these days |
| 23:36.11 | njsf | itsnotabigtruck: wired LTE ?! never heard of it |
| 23:36.28 | itsnotabigtruck | oops |
| 23:36.29 | njsf | and yes, VZW and ATT want the world |
| 23:36.30 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 23:36.33 | itsnotabigtruck | i didn't see the wired part :p |
| 23:36.46 | njsf | where wireless internet has greater advertised speed |
| 23:36.59 | njsf | specially since "net neutrality" does not apply there |
| 23:37.05 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it comes down to comcast and fios most of the time |
| 23:37.10 | njsf | and they can make up whatever filtering they want |
| 23:37.12 | itsnotabigtruck | and fios rollout has pretty much stopped |
| 23:37.37 | njsf | I could have 100 Mbps from my cable provider |
| 23:37.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and comcast really only upgraded their network where verizon put fios in |
| 23:38.01 | itsnotabigtruck | you can already get 50 Mb/s from comcast, if you're in an area that has fios, and you're willing to pay through the nose |
| 23:38.04 | njsf | but when I had 30Mbps I noticed I never used more than the "basic account " 15Mpbs anyway |
| 23:38.09 | itsnotabigtruck | (it's well past $100/mo) |
| 23:38.17 | njsf | so I save a lot a month there |
| 23:38.28 | njsf | for 100$ I could get 101Mbps |
| 23:38.37 | njsf | now I have 15 for 30$ |
| 23:38.51 | njsf | which you could say is a worse deal that 100 for 100$ |
| 23:38.56 | itsnotabigtruck | the thing is that a large portion of servers on the net don't have wide enough uplink themselves to fill very fast residential connections |
| 23:39.07 | njsf | but why pay $70 for capacity I am not using... |
| 23:39.10 | itsnotabigtruck | that and lots of bottlenecked routes |
| 23:39.40 | itsnotabigtruck | even if they cap your connection at zillions of megs, you can rarely ever use more than 20 megs or so unless you're connecting to something a) nearby, b) on a fast pipe |
| 23:40.13 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, that sort of thing is why CDNs are so huge now |
| 23:45.36 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=25305&stc=1&d=1330731753 |
| 23:45.48 | itsnotabigtruck | cool, it's a landscape keyboard layout that's like the n900 |
| 23:47.11 | ajalkane | sleep time, cya later |