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| 03:24.33 | yondie | hello |
| 03:24.50 | yondie | i need help a little bit on my N9 PR 1.2 |
| 03:25.07 | yondie | it seems that every picture i took with the official camera application |
| 03:25.10 | yondie | it will not save |
| 03:25.43 | yondie | anyone got the same problem? |
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| 03:54.09 | ghjgfjghjbn | RST38h you around? |
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| 04:26.06 | diorahman | Hello! Since the https://projects.developer.nokia.com/notificationsapi/wiki/test I need help to download the debian file for changing mode of notification API |
| 04:26.11 | diorahman | please help me |
| 04:26.24 | diorahman | Since the https://projects.developer.nokia.com/notificationsapi/wiki/test is down |
| 04:26.55 | diorahman | I need your help for downloading necessary files for setting the notification api dev |
| 04:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: oh hey |
| 04:27.06 | itsnotabigtruck | think i d/ld that a while back |
| 04:27.13 | itsnotabigtruck | hold on |
| 04:27.23 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: thanks! |
| 04:28.00 | SpeedEvil | http://wl4.peer360.com/b/wrmdWMluDmda8usN9U26/mle.asp?hl=121193944&r=JGBFECC&CID=170240 - for qtquick people that like the silly cameraphone idea |
| 04:29.39 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: http://minus.com/mAWo3jtk4# |
| 04:29.54 | diorahman | SpeedEvil: yeah, an example of submission: http://library.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Dropian_-_QML_Dropbox_Client |
| 04:30.02 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: thanks a bunch! |
| 04:30.32 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: also make sure to get incepted |
| 04:31.43 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: OK |
| 04:32.31 | itsnotabigtruck | lol, just "ok"? :p |
| 04:34.16 | ghjgfjghjbn | any former android users present? |
| 04:34.48 | itsnotabigtruck | nein |
| 04:35.16 | Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, we're not having this conversation again |
| 04:35.28 | Sazpaimon | :P |
| 04:36.43 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: I didn't follow, pardon me |
| 04:36.57 | itsnotabigtruck | btw i'm starting to work on a utility to control aegis settings via inception |
| 04:37.12 | itsnotabigtruck | (using the unseal kernel module) |
| 04:37.19 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception |
| 04:38.26 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: awesome! right away after this! |
| 04:38.42 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: I don't really disagree with your points. But I don't think you can deny it's a silly product. Dead-end one-off phone, with massive gimmick. |
| 04:38.56 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: well, they say they're going to adapt the tech into future lumias |
| 04:39.10 | itsnotabigtruck | so presumably there'll be a lumia 9001 pureview |
| 04:39.14 | Sazpaimon | SpeedEvil, the tech is far from one-off |
| 04:39.23 | itsnotabigtruck | it has over nine thousand jiggapixels! |
| 04:39.29 | SpeedEvil | The phone is one-off - Symbina is going away |
| 04:39.35 | Sazpaimon | yeah in 5 years |
| 04:40.19 | Sazpaimon | symbian ia already a liability to nokia yet the continue to develop it |
| 04:40.42 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 04:41.19 | Sazpaimon | and theyve continually comitted to the "2016" EOL date |
| 04:42.17 | Sazpaimon | dont know why i quoted that |
| 04:42.29 | Sazpaimon | i mean |
| 04:43.00 | Sazpaimon | can you say that in 2016 android will still be around? |
| 04:43.48 | psycho_oreos | or even microsoft making huge losses on their mango or whatever windows mobile platform? |
| 04:45.57 | Sazpaimon | microsoft can afford to make huge losses |
| 04:46.02 | Sazpaimon | remember the original xbox? |
| 04:46.13 | Sazpaimon | that was sold at a loss for pretty much its entire life |
| 04:46.18 | Sazpaimon | even when it sold well |
| 04:47.23 | Sazpaimon | i dont know if the 360 is the same |
| 04:47.32 | Sazpaimon | maybe with stuff like kinect they break even |
| 05:07.56 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: I'm sorry, the deb seems invalid |
| 05:08.39 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: is that because I have 1.2 already? |
| 05:10.18 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: the notifications one, or inception |
| 05:10.23 | itsnotabigtruck | if the former, i never actually tried it |
| 05:10.26 | diorahman | the notification, sorry |
| 05:10.28 | itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean by invalid |
| 05:10.34 | itsnotabigtruck | what happens if you try installing it with dpkg -i |
| 05:10.45 | itsnotabigtruck | if it fails post the errors on a pastebin |
| 05:11.16 | itsnotabigtruck | it's possible it has pr1.1-only dependencies or something like that, but that would be surprising imo |
| 05:14.03 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: it's installed but I couldn't find the executable |
| 05:14.10 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: https://gist.github.com/2010256 |
| 05:15.09 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: it installs to /usr/bin/notificationsenvironmentselector |
| 05:15.20 | itsnotabigtruck | and it didn't fail...that locale stuff happens for anybody with a non-english locale |
| 05:16.06 | itsnotabigtruck | er, wait, it did fail |
| 05:16.10 | itsnotabigtruck | "dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege" |
| 05:16.13 | psycho_oreos | sure, microsoft can afford to make huge losses, this is why for every little screwups they make they have other products to cover that loss. This is probably also the reason why they're losing to Apple |
| 05:16.17 | itsnotabigtruck | make sure to run dpkg from devel-su |
| 05:16.41 | itsnotabigtruck | i only looked at the line at the end, but forgot that aegis will keep going even if dpkg bombs out |
| 05:16.56 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: ok devel-su :-) |
| 05:18.29 | psycho_oreos | glad nokia joined hands with microsoft, together they can be easily forgiven as the much belated movie `dumb and dumber' |
| 05:18.59 | ghjgfjghjbn | okay so im gonna buy a white n9, is there a general consensus on made in finland or china? |
| 05:19.06 | ghjgfjghjbn | or no difference |
| 05:19.18 | psycho_oreos | there's a channel for n9 discussion, its called #n9 |
| 05:19.23 | ghjgfjghjbn | ty |
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| 05:42.11 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman: did you get it working? |
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| 05:46.30 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: yeah! sorry! that was my fault! THANKS! |
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| 08:30.41 | Corsac | hmhm ok so I guess I know why I can't edit any contacts: |
| 08:30.45 | Corsac | Mar 10 09:30:08 (2012) tracker-store[1369]: GLIB MESSAGE Tracker - ---> [107|contacts|2804] Failed, database disk image is malformed |
| 08:32.27 | Corsac | maybe restoring pr1.1 backup image to pr1.2 was the issue, though I didn't really have a choice |
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| 08:48.17 | Corsac | Mar 10 09:48:04 (2012) tracker-miner-fs[1419]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Tracker - Could not execute sparql: database disk image is malformed |
| 08:48.21 | Corsac | gmbl. |
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| 08:50.58 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, good morning |
| 08:51.46 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, what would you like to see in the logs of IRC Chatter? same things as the chat window? |
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| 09:32.23 | AndrewX192 | What exactly does develsh do? |
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| 09:41.00 | djszapi | AndrewX192: it opens a shell with extra credentials. |
| 09:41.13 | AndrewX192 | ugh, N9 isn't executing /etc/network/if-up.d/*** on connection |
| 09:41.19 | AndrewX192 | script is chmod +x though |
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| 10:34.35 | Venemo_N950 | what was the command with which I can upgrade to the latest PR 1.2 packages on my N950? |
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| 10:46.04 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: reboot -u ? |
| 10:46.16 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: log should do all the stuff... |
| 10:46.22 | djszapi | and browsable inside the client... |
| 10:46.31 | djszapi | separately, and non-separately too... |
| 10:46.52 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, yeah, that's obvious |
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| 11:03.01 | Corsac | any idea what can I do to repair a tracker database? |
| 11:05.26 | MFaro-Tusino | I use N9Quick tweak to add to/from tracker |
| 11:05.30 | MFaro-Tusino | maybe that can help? |
| 11:06.44 | Corsac | will check, thanks |
| 11:06.50 | Corsac | is it in ovi store? |
| 11:09.53 | MFaro-Tusino | No, look at TMO or N9-apps :) |
| 11:18.26 | Corsac | didn't know about n9-apps |
| 11:18.30 | Corsac | yet another community repo? |
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| 11:20.01 | djszapi | Corsac: I was wondering when my application appeared there, and got comments without me even knowing... |
| 11:20.14 | djszapi | I think it is quite nasty from that site providers. |
| 11:20.47 | djszapi | since it ruins the image about me not replying; and that is not because I did not want to, but never been informed there is this site. |
| 11:26.34 | MFaro-Tusino | corsac: N9-apps.com |
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| 11:35.38 | Corsac | yeah, I know how to google :) |
| 11:37.26 | Corsac | MFaro-Tusino: mhm there's nothing about tracker there afaict |
| 11:38.19 | MFaro-Tusino | One sec, |
| 11:38.45 | MFaro-Tusino | it is adding/remove folders in tracker |
| 11:41.49 | Corsac | hmhm I'm not sure it'll fit |
| 11:42.08 | Corsac | well, I'm not sure it'll do anything about a messed up tracker db |
| 11:42.09 | Corsac | :/ |
| 11:48.32 | MFaro-Tusino | can't you just delete the db and reboot? |
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| 12:04.44 | jonni | you can just say: "tracker-control --hard-reset" which removes all databases or use --help-all to see all options |
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| 12:23.00 | Corsac | yeah but I need my smses :/ |
| 12:23.18 | Corsac | I can export/import my contacts, but that's not possible with smses |
| 12:24.34 | jonni | I saw a commandline tool in forums which allowed to copy/restore of smses |
| 12:24.53 | Corsac | in tmo? |
| 12:24.53 | jonni | dont remember the link though, it was about week ago announced |
| 12:31.10 | Corsac | if you remember the thread I'd be interested, a quick search doesn't return anything interesting at first sight |
| 12:31.13 | Corsac | (on tmo) |
| 12:32.22 | Corsac | there's http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5725 but you can only *store*, not restore |
| 12:35.10 | jonni | and I though that sync would mean 2 way sync, but I didnt test what it actually does |
| 12:35.21 | jonni | s/and/ah/ |
| 12:35.30 | Corsac | you can do some one-way syncs |
| 12:35.53 | jonni | one way sync is just synonym to copy |
| 12:35.58 | Corsac | yes |
| 12:36.09 | Corsac | I do have my contacts sync'ed to evolution on my laptop |
| 12:36.23 | Corsac | if I lose my contacts on N9, I can do a one-way sync from laptop to n9 and have them back |
| 12:36.31 | Corsac | but I can't do that with smses |
| 12:42.55 | kozzi | I use Backup function on N9 to backup everything, and when I want to restore ie. only messages, |
| 12:43.06 | kozzi | I just have to delete everything else in the Backup folder |
| 12:43.21 | jonni | well I've seen multiple ways to backup smses, let me see if I can dig my mailbox |
| 12:44.37 | jonni | Corsac: there are tools like transfering n900 commhistory to n9, that can easily be modified to do n9 to n9 backup restore https://gitorious.org/n900-comhist-import |
| 12:46.16 | djszapi | would need N9 to HTC Desire stuff |
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| 12:55.08 | Corsac | jonni: yeah, but I'm not sure I have the c++ skills needed for that :) |
| 12:55.15 | Corsac | nor do I have a scratchbox setup here |
| 12:56.13 | djszapi | Corsac: you can use qtcreator |
| 13:00.19 | Corsac | how will that help? |
| 13:00.27 | Corsac | (I have no idea what qtcreator is) |
| 13:00.42 | djszapi | really ? :) |
| 13:01.32 | Corsac | really |
| 13:03.13 | djszapi | wow |
| 13:03.27 | Corsac | I'm not a developer, and certainly not a Qt one :) |
| 13:06.15 | Corsac | it's *really* painful that they decided to store actual data to the tracker, since that means corrupted database means data gone |
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| 13:23.52 | jonni | Corsac: well if you know what your doing, one can always fix the database files. And you can also make backups of messages using dbus-send from commanline (yet again not for newbies). |
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| 13:27.10 | Corsac | jonni: problem is that I have no idea how to fix the database |
| 13:27.22 | Corsac | jonni: the sqlite file seems ok, but I think the schema is wrong |
| 13:27.43 | Corsac | (I mean, it might be the 1.1 schema or something, since it was restored from a pr1.1 backup) |
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| 13:27.59 | Corsac | I tried to backup/restore using the backup app on pr1.2 but it doesn't work |
| 13:28.16 | Corsac | I tried to do tracker-control -b foo.db and then tracker-control -o foo.db |
| 13:28.20 | Corsac | but no chance either |
| 13:29.01 | jonni | well yes its quite likely that backup restore is not working between PR releases, thats why I never do restore if PR release does not match |
| 13:29.56 | Corsac | I didn't have a choice |
| 13:30.08 | Corsac | I sent my n9 for repair at PR1.1 and did a backup just before |
| 13:30.12 | Corsac | when I got it back it was on PR1.2 |
| 13:30.15 | jonni | I usually just type all the settings by hand from the beginning |
| 13:30.27 | Corsac | I don't really care about settings |
| 13:30.39 | Corsac | the only thing I really care about is sms, I think |
| 13:30.50 | Corsac | since I can do manual backup of contacts and of the filesystem |
| 13:32.23 | jonni | well yep then your out of luck, or you need to do some fancy coding to get data out of sqlite db and make new importer with c++ or with some fancy script |
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| 13:36.40 | Corsac | hmh, or maybe look at the tracker postinst scripts |
| 13:36.47 | Corsac | maybe there's a migration path or something |
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| 13:39.47 | Arkenoi | it looks like harmattan has zillion ways and reasons to enter "battery drain mode" :-/ fremantle was more predictable |
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| 13:54.35 | divan0 | Does anyone know how to convert QVariant into array/list in QML (JS)? Or how to pass list from PySide to QML without wrapping it to QVariant? |
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| 14:28.55 | Venemo_N950 | hey |
| 14:29.18 | faenil | hey :) |
| 14:30.03 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: hey... |
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| 14:42.38 | faenil | guys is it possible to handle a project with more than one pro in the same dir? |
| 14:42.40 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: input history would be nice ... |
| 14:43.11 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: android irc clients I have just tried seem to support that feature. |
| 14:43.17 | djszapi | and it is quite nice imo. |
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| 14:43.36 | faenil | djszapi, useful indeed |
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| 15:02.52 | diorahman | Venemo_N950: hey |
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| 15:06.45 | Venemo_N950 | hey diorahman |
| 15:07.00 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, what is input history? |
| 15:07.22 | Venemo_N950 | faenil, yes |
| 15:07.44 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: type history on your pc |
| 15:08.06 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, irc chatter remembers your sent messages right now |
| 15:08.18 | djszapi | how can I browse them ? |
| 15:08.38 | Venemo_N950 | with the up/down arrows, like any other irc client |
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| 15:08.45 | djszapi | then it is just buggy |
| 15:08.50 | djszapi | it does not work for me. |
| 15:09.15 | djszapi | especially since there is no "up/arrow" buttons on the VKBD. |
| 15:09.36 | jonni | there is if you have right mode |
| 15:09.59 | djszapi | jonni: so how can I get the "right mode" in irc chatter ? |
| 15:10.03 | djszapi | without any hackery ? |
| 15:10.07 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you are using the wrong vkb |
| 15:10.27 | djszapi | huh ? |
| 15:10.27 | Venemo_N950 | the swype vkb has the up/down arrows. |
| 15:10.37 | jonni | personally I use irssi, so have no idea about chatter |
| 15:10.38 | djszapi | which is not the default. |
| 15:10.52 | djszapi | andI do not planto switch it either. |
| 15:10.55 | Venemo_N950 | it also works with the hwkb on my n950 |
| 15:11.15 | djszapi | weareall happy for that, but the most people have n9 :) |
| 15:11.41 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you're gonna get rid of your N9 anyway, so why do you care? |
| 15:11.50 | djszapi | wrong |
| 15:11.52 | Aard | Venemo_N950: it has |
| 15:12.20 | djszapi | and it is not about "me" |
| 15:12.25 | Venemo_N950 | if you have a suggestion about a possible ui for this feature, I'm listening. |
| 15:12.26 | djszapi | it is about the usability of your software |
| 15:12.33 | djszapi | anyway, I shut up, if you dislike the feedback... |
| 15:13.39 | Venemo_N950 | as I said. |
| 15:14.48 | Venemo_N950 | if you have a suggestion about a possible ui for this feature, I'm listening. |
| 15:14.48 | Venemo_N950 | I always like feedback. |
| 15:15.00 | itsnotabigtruck | yo |
| 15:15.17 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: it isreally not that hard |
| 15:15.50 | djszapi | option in the settings, if you do not always wanna show an up/down next to the stuff. |
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| 15:18.35 | djszapi | not sure about the vkbd changing optionally..needs testing. |
| 15:18.58 | djszapi | but surely, I would not like to make extra effort to get that feature. |
| 15:19.11 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, so you suggest 2 buttons near the text field? |
| 15:19.50 | djszapi | nop |
| 15:20.01 | djszapi | I suggest to experiment with ideas like aforementioned. |
| 15:20.22 | djszapi | check out how android solved it, etc. |
| 15:21.23 | Venemo_N950 | i don't have an android phone |
| 15:21.33 | djszapi | google /screenshots is your friend. |
| 15:21.45 | Venemo_N950 | but I'll think of something nice :) |
| 15:22.05 | djszapi | nah...really... |
| 15:22.14 | djszapi | take a look at how others solved it with a lot of people as userbase |
| 15:22.18 | djszapi | it is worth it... |
| 15:22.35 | Venemo_N950 | ok |
| 15:22.42 | djszapi | you can avoid many useless iterations that way. |
| 15:22.47 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.kanyezone.com/ |
| 15:23.13 | itsnotabigtruck | in any case, yeh, ^ v buttons might make sense over by the complete button |
| 15:23.28 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't know what the android clients look like though |
| 15:27.39 | djszapiN9 | also, they solved the port settings apparently as I suggested previoysly |
| 15:27.52 | djszapiN9 | it is not mandator to the user... |
| 15:28.25 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: which client are you thinking of? |
| 15:28.31 | itsnotabigtruck | what's your favorite android irc client |
| 15:28.34 | itsnotabigtruck | there's tons of them :p |
| 15:34.28 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: google first result ? |
| 15:35.17 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: 'android irc' produces 3 results on the 1st page |
| 15:35.26 | itsnotabigtruck | varying the search could rearrange them all sorts of ways |
| 15:35.35 | itsnotabigtruck | just say what you're talking about :| |
| 15:35.52 | djszapi | seriously |
| 15:36.23 | djszapi | 1) go to google 2) Type android irc 3) click on the link 4) done |
| 15:38.15 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: also, google result ordering can change dependent on who's doing the search |
| 15:39.07 | djszapi | just follow the instructions really :) |
| 15:39.10 | djszapi | not that hard. |
| 15:39.11 | djszapi | is off to work |
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| 15:41.24 | djszapi | all of them support sasl too, but irc-chatter :/ |
| 15:41.32 | djszapi | well, not a bad change to android :) |
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| 15:50.50 | hiemanshu | djszapi: sasl as in sending password along with server address? |
| 15:53.16 | djszapi | also, gnupg would be nice for end-to-end encryption |
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| 16:08.29 | pa | do you know what is the exact wallpaper size on the N9? |
| 16:08.53 | djszapi | isn't it the full screensize ? |
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| 16:10.32 | pa | no, it+s smaller |
| 16:10.37 | pa | and also in width |
| 16:11.12 | djszapi | ahh you mean the unlocked background |
| 16:11.30 | pa | i mean the locked screen background |
| 16:11.37 | pa | (on which the clock is shown9 |
| 16:12.13 | djszapi | looks full screen to me |
| 16:12.26 | djszapi | also, you can grab it, and check with an image viewer. |
| 16:23.31 | pa | ah right, thanks |
| 16:23.55 | pa | also, any idea how to play a video over http from the browser without having to copy the link and paste in console? |
| 16:26.19 | pa | and is there any way to install the video-suite from 1.1 on 1.2? |
| 16:26.37 | pa | just to get rid of that annoying "you cant play such video on this device" |
| 16:26.43 | djszapi | the API should be backward compatible in theory. |
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| 16:40.12 | danielcbit | Hi Everybody. Does some one know if it is possible to have aegis request context="INSTALL" running commands allowed only for user and system commands simultaneously? |
| 16:40.57 | djszapi | Could you please rephrase this question ? |
| 16:41.42 | djszapi | install context is for the running maintainer scripts, whatever they run. |
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| 16:43.57 | danielcbit | I have a series of maintainer scrips. Some remove config files from user .config and other start a deamon of my app using initctl. |
| 16:44.07 | itsnotabigtruck | what do you guys consider the best way to spawn processes in a lightweight c program |
| 16:44.11 | itsnotabigtruck | (on linux( |
| 16:44.30 | djszapi | danielcbit: and what is the question ? |
| 16:44.36 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i think he wants to have some stuff run as root and some stuff run as user |
| 16:45.00 | djszapi | is lost |
| 16:45.25 | danielcbit | djszapi: after I added the credential requests for making the daemon start, the user files stopped being removed |
| 16:45.58 | djszapi | danielcbit: please show the maintainer script |
| 16:46.01 | danielcbit | djszapi: like the first set of requests for user credentials where lost |
| 16:46.15 | djszapi | I would like to answer for you in private, ok ? |
| 16:46.27 | danielcbit | djszapi: sure |
| 16:48.05 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know about the process spawning thing? options seem to be a) fork/exec/waitpid/etc. - complicated, b) glib - a lot of dependency for one thing, c) posix_spawn/waitpid/etc. - also complicated |
| 16:48.13 | itsnotabigtruck | d) qt - waaaaaay too much dependency for one thing |
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| 17:01.06 | itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: got it figured out? |
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| 17:03.30 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: djszapi is helping me. I'm trying to explain my problem |
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| 17:21.31 | djszapi | okay, so it is not a security vulnerability as I expected |
| 17:22.01 | djszapi | the problem is that, danielcbit tries to remove user files with the maintainer script, but he also wanna deal with upstart jobs. |
| 17:22.36 | djszapi | so my proposal is a user removal script running as root since the /home/user folder is not writable with group id. |
| 17:22.41 | npm | watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH5bJSG0DZk&feature=g-all-lsb&context=G2849ff4FAAAAAAAAAAA "enchant me" used in context of android UI :-) |
| 17:23.38 | djszapi | though, I wonder requesting only uid does not work... |
| 17:23.52 | djszapi | danielcbit: if you just request uid::user without the groups... |
| 17:23.58 | djszapi | youwould be able to remove stuff |
| 17:24.10 | djszapi | and /etc/init/ is executable by the root group |
| 17:24.19 | djszapi | actually by everybody here. |
| 17:24.49 | djszapi | anyway, if requesting only uid::user for the maintainer script does not work, put the removal into a separate script, and run it as user |
| 17:25.21 | djszapi | you could tentatively hack around the initctl stuff too, from maintainer script run as user, but that is nastier imo. |
| 17:25.34 | djszapi | since the maintainer script is normally run as root everywhere. |
| 17:26.01 | djszapi | so just switch to user with a dedicated script, where otherwise needed, if you use commands needed to be run as root from the maintainer script. |
| 17:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, so have a 2nd script that asserts UID::user |
| 17:26.43 | itsnotabigtruck | that's probably a better idea than the evil hack i was thinking of |
| 17:27.15 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: about your thingie....qt is a core part of the harmattan platform.... |
| 17:28.02 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yeah, but it's too much library for a little c utility |
| 17:28.09 | itsnotabigtruck | so is glib and lots of other things |
| 17:28.17 | djszapi | on a harmattan platform ? |
| 17:28.19 | itsnotabigtruck | *so is, as in, glib is also a core part |
| 17:28.19 | djszapi | hell, no :) |
| 17:28.26 | djszapi | since it is the core part of the platform |
| 17:28.27 | itsnotabigtruck | glib seems like the best idea right now |
| 17:28.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but i'm thinking there might be a lighter way |
| 17:29.10 | djszapi | you can make your life hard if you have time for doing so :p |
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| 19:02.15 | Aranel | I've created & translated .ts files for my app as described ( http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Localising_applications.html ), but how am I going to use that generated .qrc file with python/pyside? |
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| 20:17.10 | Venemo_N950 | good evening |
| 20:19.03 | itsnotabigtruck | hey Venemo_N950 |
| 20:26.50 | Venemo_N950 | hi itsnotabigtruck |
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| 20:28.30 | Venemo_N950 | itsnotabigtruck, still not incepted :( |
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| 20:33.50 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: lol |
| 20:34.03 | itsnotabigtruck | are you having trouble with it? or just pre-empting me bugging you about it :p |
| 20:34.55 | Venemo_N950 | I have trouble with managing my time. so the honest answer is the latter :P |
| 20:35.16 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
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| 20:55.16 | Arkenoi | wow |
| 20:55.31 | Arkenoi | sucking autocapitalization defeated |
| 20:56.01 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:56.17 | Arkenoi | good news for all non-latin layout users |
| 20:56.18 | Venemo_N950 | Arkenoi, you found text input settings? |
| 20:56.34 | Arkenoi | one guy sent me email with magic gconf string |
| 20:57.47 | Arkenoi | gconftool-2 -t string -s /meegotouch/inputmethods/hwkeyboard/autocapsdisabledlayouts "(your layout names here)" |
| 20:58.25 | djszapi | Arkenoi: you contribute back to put such things onto a wikipage, right ? |
| 20:59.05 | Arkenoi | ok |
| 21:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | testers for open!mode kernel 1.2 needed - please no 'new' applications ;-) |
| 21:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | please /query me |
| 21:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I dunno if we already got a wiki page like http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo for Customizing_Harmattan, but anyway your hack above should go there :-) |
| 21:05.13 | itsnotabigtruck | argh, the man page for hexdump is /terrible/ |
| 21:05.49 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently i'm not the only one that finds it so, looking at google |
| 21:06.54 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: there are more trolls ? :p |
| 21:06.55 | djszapi | hides |
| 21:12.43 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 21:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | openmode1.2 testers, anybody? |
| 21:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | (I know it's Saturday, in Europe even evening) |
| 21:21.43 | itsnotabigtruck | Arkenoi Venemo_N950 SpeedEvil ^ |
| 21:22.42 | Venemo_N950 | hm? |
| 21:25.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo_N950: interested in testing doc's kernel? |
| 21:27.41 | Venemo_N950 | sorry, nope. I'm not very much into platform hacks nowadays |
| 21:28.22 | djszapi | hahaha :D |
| 21:28.29 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: getting older ? :p |
| 21:29.30 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, getting less free time |
| 21:29.45 | Venemo_N950 | + you guys all know my opinion on things like this. |
| 21:30.20 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: do not take it this hard, I was just joking :) |
| 21:30.38 | Venemo_N950 | :) okay |
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| 21:31.27 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: but what opinion, anyway ? |
| 21:32.44 | Venemo_N950 | I think all the effort on hacking Harmattan would be better spent on developing a fully open alternative like Nemo or PA or whatever |
| 21:33.18 | Venemo_N950 | I used to say this even in the Fremantle times, but noone listened to me. |
| 21:33.55 | djszapi | well, I would have disagreed in fremantle times. |
| 21:34.01 | djszapi | but I pretty much agree about it |
| 21:34.06 | djszapi | except... nemo... |
| 21:34.11 | djszapi | which is even worse than ever. |
| 21:34.28 | djszapi | but yes, mer or PA are certainly more open. |
| 21:34.36 | Venemo_N950 | what do you have against Nemo? |
| 21:34.47 | djszapi | it is worse than one year ago... |
| 21:34.55 | djszapi | and I was not happy about it one year ago either... |
| 21:35.44 | Venemo_N950 | worse in what sense? |
| 21:36.04 | djszapi | every little. |
| 21:36.43 | Venemo_N950 | okay |
| 21:36.59 | Venemo_N950 | well, I don't feel like arguing :) |
| 21:39.05 | blueslee | this is an interesting discussion, it will not be easy to pull the mass of users away from the status quo on the n9 as they seem to be happy with the n9 |
| 21:39.15 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: have you actually tried it out nowadays and 1-2 years ago ? |
| 21:39.31 | Venemo_N950 | yes I have |
| 21:39.47 | djszapi | because this is pretty much said not just by me, but also by close people to that project. |
| 21:39.56 | Venemo_N950 | anyway, having a fully open solution is a lot better in the long run than having a semi-hacked half-closed unportable thing. |
| 21:40.12 | djszapi | disagree |
| 21:40.25 | djszapi | I do not mind having a working less open solution than a useless open. |
| 21:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: the kernel already *is* fully open |
| 21:40.52 | djszapi | seeing what nemo achieved in the last 1-2 years, I am a bit worried :/ |
| 21:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | as far as it gets, anyway |
| 21:41.12 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, and a working + open solution |
| 21:41.31 | Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, I'm not talking about the kernel now |
| 21:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: well, you obviously have to start with an open kernel, to base an "open system" on it |
| 21:42.58 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: what do you mean ? |
| 21:43.06 | Venemo_N950 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.28 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, What do I mean by what? |
| 21:43.32 | blueslee | speaking as an end user i am only unhappy with the introduced restrictions on the n9 and maybe the fragmentation related to repositories/store ... on the n900 it was perfect, there was no need for an alternative os |
| 21:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: or how's your suggested approach to 'open $dialer" or whatever, when the kernel+paegis forbids running such stuff on your device? |
| 21:44.17 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: last post with me highlighted. |
| 21:44.41 | Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, I would prefer a fully open system |
| 21:45.37 | Venemo_N950 | anyway, I'm awfully tired and sleepy. |
| 21:45.51 | Venemo_N950 | it was nice talking to you guys! :) |
| 21:46.01 | Venemo_N950 | have a nice evening |
| 21:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N950: it's most probably a misconception that I might have said "all apps rendered useless". Actually Nokia always claimed not any app gets rendered broken by openmode. Under close inspection, it seems some concepts are massively impacted though, e.g. accounts management, lockcode |
| 21:46.58 | Venemo_N950 | mhhmm |
| 21:46.59 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: this early without hacking ? :) |
| 21:47.31 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi :P |
| 21:47.38 | Venemo_N950 | so goodbye :) |
| 21:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | you probably can 'fix' accounts for the better part of them, not so for lockcode AIUI |
| 21:47.52 | Venemo_N950 | DocScrutinizer, thanks for explaining |
| 21:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | YW |
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| 22:09.07 | itsnotabigtruck | good > open, and the problem with projects like mer is that it'll take a lot of wheel-reinvention just to get back to where harmattan is /now/ |
| 22:09.32 | itsnotabigtruck | the android port route is much more interesting, and it seems e-yes has made great strides w/ that |
| 22:10.54 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why it's such a shame so little of harmattan itself is open source, as it's a great starting point |
| 22:11.15 | itsnotabigtruck | just needs some tweaking here and there |
| 22:16.26 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it is always easier to start with cleaner table than hacking around everything. |
| 22:20.14 | djszapi | plus Harmattan has many design issues which cannot really be fixed in this form. |
| 22:20.57 | djszapi | and android is not fully open either (that is also one reason why mer exists in the first place) |
| 22:22.34 | AndrewX192 | How does one remove a skype account from a contact that is "waiting for authorization"? |
| 22:22.39 | AndrewX192 | It's just greyed out |
| 22:22.49 | AndrewX192 | It was a typo, so it's never going to be approved. |
| 22:23.50 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: since you're working on patching the kernel anyway, how about cleaning it up from the 1.1 version |
| 22:23.54 | itsnotabigtruck | (same stuff we talked about before) |
| 22:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: you still haven't got it? I'm NOT working on cleaning up the kernel |
| 22:25.15 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, you're building a kernel, and i would hope you know some C |
| 22:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just coordinating stuff |
| 22:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: NO, I'M *NOT* |
| 22:25.45 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, i assumed you wanted people to test the kernel because you built it |
| 22:25.47 | itsnotabigtruck | yeesh |
| 22:26.04 | itsnotabigtruck | but in any case, it isn't terribly difficult to tweak the kernel and build it locally |
| 22:27.21 | djszapi | mmm jreznik is not here at weekends, apparently :/ |
| 22:28.41 | AndrewX192 | I ended up unmerging that data from the contact and deleting the resulting contact |
| 22:28.49 | itsnotabigtruck | and on the open mode side of things it would be nice to see a more elegant approach than just short-circuiting some aegis functions |
| 22:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | go and do it |
| 22:29.10 | djszapi | hahaha |
| 22:29.10 | djszapi | good luck :D |
| 22:29.23 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm doing inception, open mode is your department |
| 22:29.42 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're going to go on tirades about how i'm taking the wrong approach, you can at least show me up and make open mode awesome |
| 22:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | no, again: IT'S NOT 'MY DEPARTMENT'! |
| 22:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | you're just such an ignorant asshat when it comes to getting what I try to tell you |
| 22:30.40 | djszapi | why would I ? |
| 22:30.46 | djszapi | I do not need any of those methods. |
| 22:31.13 | djszapi | I am completely fine with PA and Mer, if ever, I need an open platform. |
| 22:31.26 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: who is that directed at? |
| 22:31.43 | djszapi | is there anybody else than you talking ? :) |
| 22:31.49 | djszapi | at least not here :) |
| 22:31.51 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: i was talking about doc and the OM kernel he's distibuting |
| 22:32.20 | djszapi | ah yes, he is a pretty for much long term ignored guy on my list :) |
| 22:32.39 | djszapi | pretty much a long term ignored guy* |
| 22:34.00 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, you've been the main person distributing info and utilities for open mode, so that does make it more or less "your department" |
| 22:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | actually even that is incorrect |
| 22:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | I excuse your ignorance regarding that bit with you probably not being in here long enough to know who stated the whole effort and contributed most relevant parts to it |
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| 22:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | started* |
| 22:35.51 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i assume that would be javispedro, but still |
| 22:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | though you could have picked it up just yesterday |
| 22:36.12 | itsnotabigtruck | your site is the primary distribution point for the hacked kernel for pr1.1, opensh, and so on |
| 22:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | wow, you're starting to sound like you want to learn |
| 22:37.12 | itsnotabigtruck | ffs, i try to help you out with your project despite your continual prickishness, and then you spew more of the same |
| 22:37.21 | itsnotabigtruck | and then you expect everyone to respect you |
| 22:38.29 | Royegoesson | Hello, does anybody know if MeeGo kernel has got implemented loop devices option? Question comes from one who want do Gentoo for N9. So: "For simultaneously run on the device two operating systems, so that one can enjoy a desktop system without losing the possibility of receiving calls, SMS and others. We need the loop devices option implemented in the kernel, because you have to via the... |
| 22:38.31 | Royegoesson | ...console to enter the environment of the second system, a graphical interface is available via the VNC client application (launched in Meego), which connects to a server running under Gentoo (from the console where MeeGo chrooted environment is running Gentoo)." Who knows or where to ask about this "loop devices" option? |
| 22:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | and now - since you know javispedro isn't very concerned about his anonymity, and the fact I'm talking to a lot of Nokians as well - you're free to guess why the guy ofering openmode kernel wants to stay anonymous and why I host the kernel on his behalf |
| 22:38.55 | SpeedEvil | Elop is the real developer. |
| 22:38.58 | danielcbit | Did some one experienced problems with virtual keyboard not showing up when UI is launched by a daemon? |
| 22:41.45 | danielcbit | Royegoesson: You need OpenMode kernel fot this |
| 22:42.18 | Royegoesson | you mean INCEPTION? |
| 22:42.53 | danielcbit | SpeedEvil:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82114 |
| 22:43.28 | danielcbit | Royegoesson: You're right :D I'm not used to this new way yet |
| 22:44.08 | danielcbit | by the way, Thank you itsnotabigtruck! |
| 22:44.25 | Royegoesson | yea great man |
| 22:44.31 | djszapi | I personally feel it awful |
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| 22:44.42 | djszapi | since it opens up a vulnerability for average user devices. |
| 22:44.57 | Royegoesson | Anyway is the "loop devices" option implemented? |
| 22:44.58 | djszapi | so X people are happy, and zillions*X are unhappy. |
| 22:45.26 | danielcbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.33 | SpeedEvil | ha |
| 22:45.34 | itsnotabigtruck | Royegoesson: what's the specific goal? |
| 22:45.35 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:45.42 | itsnotabigtruck | you can use INCEPTION to set up a loopback device |
| 22:46.11 | itsnotabigtruck | there's some trickiness related to root privileges and aegis |
| 22:46.15 | Royegoesson | as above described: |
| 22:46.16 | itsnotabigtruck | even with inception |
| 22:46.20 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm working on solving that |
| 22:46.31 | Royegoesson | For simultaneously run on the device two operating systems, so that one can enjoy a desktop system without losing the possibility of receiving calls, SMS and others. We need the loop devices option implemented in the kernel, because you have to via the console to enter the environment of the second system, a graphical interface is available via the VNC client application (launched in... |
| 22:46.32 | Royegoesson | ...Meego), which connects to a server running under Gentoo (from the console where MeeGo chrooted environment is running Gentoo). |
| 22:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | that trickyness probably not found on open!mode kernel |
| 22:47.22 | itsnotabigtruck | Royegoesson: yeah, but that didn't seem very specific, i was hoping for a description that wasn't copy-pasted |
| 22:47.35 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, it sounds like you want a desktop distro in a chroot |
| 22:47.40 | itsnotabigtruck | which is what harmchom/easy debian is |
| 22:48.08 | MohammadAG | Damn you Ubuntu for Android |
| 22:48.17 | Royegoesson | I am askin in the name of sb else |
| 22:48.46 | Royegoesson | so just repeating his questions - sorry |
| 22:49.17 | Royegoesson | Anyway seems the answer can be found in future in INCEPTION? |
| 22:50.17 | Royegoesson | If that would work N9 would reach Gentoo advantages and hence users most probably |
| 22:51.20 | itsnotabigtruck | Royegoesson: yeah, with INCEPTION it is, or will soon be, possible, depending on the requirements - though ofc someone actually has to write the code/scripts to set it all up |
| 22:53.00 | Royegoesson | Thanx, I'll pass this to him and to watch the site of INCEPTION |
| 22:54.05 | danielcbit | Did some one experienced problems with virtual keyboard not showing up when UI is launched by a daemon? |
| 22:56.03 | itsnotabigtruck | no idea :( |
| 22:57.41 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: it smells like a bug in qt. But I'll look more carefully first |
| 22:58.38 | ajalkane | danielcbit: are you running the daemon as "user" ? |
| 22:59.21 | danielcbit | yes |
| 22:59.38 | djszapi | hey ajalkane, I have a qml question |
| 22:59.48 | danielcbit | both ui and daemon are running as user |
| 23:00.35 | danielcbit | ajalkane: if I launch the same app from command line through ssh as user, it works |
| 23:00.39 | ajalkane | danielcbit: sounds strange. I can't think of any reason why vkb wouldn't show in that case. And the UI launched normally, not from daemon, shows correctly? |
| 23:00.40 | djszapi | ajalkane: http://paste.kde.org/436982/ -> is this the best way of enabled all the vkbd buttons in a positioner ? |
| 23:00.44 | danielcbit | the keyboard is shown correctly |
| 23:01.00 | djszapi | enabling* |
| 23:01.08 | gabriel9 | evening |
| 23:01.30 | danielcbit | ajalkane: if i launch from icon it works too |
| 23:02.15 | gabriel9 | what's up |
| 23:02.31 | gabriel9 | i show people from my firm |
| 23:02.34 | gabriel9 | n9 |
| 23:02.53 | gabriel9 | in my presentation of mobile industry |
| 23:03.17 | danielcbit | ajalkane: Any way, I'll investigate further into this. |
| 23:03.27 | danielcbit | night everybody! |
| 23:03.29 | ajalkane | djszapi: sorry but I have no proficiency to answer that question. I've never enabling vkbd buttons |
| 23:03.36 | gabriel9 | night |
| 23:03.59 | djszapi | ajalkane: it is an own vkbd, not the one shipped |
| 23:04.10 | djszapi | it is basically just the alphabet in a positioner |
| 23:04.13 | djszapi | to play khangman :) |
| 23:04.13 | itsnotabigtruck | ciao! |
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| 23:05.51 | ajalkane | djszapi: ah... well I wouldn't know any better way. Enabled property is not inherited from the parent as far as I know, so setting it manually for each children like you do seems like the way to go |
| 23:06.04 | Royegoesson | gabriel9: read description in wikipedia first |
| 23:06.55 | gabriel9 | what description? |
| 23:07.45 | Royegoesson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9 ;) |
| 23:08.04 | Royegoesson | such an internet encyclopedia you know... |
| 23:08.46 | gabriel9 | :D, i did not read this |
| 23:09.11 | gabriel9 | what to dind here? |
| 23:09.15 | gabriel9 | find* |
| 23:09.47 | Royegoesson | pity.... just read it - you will find if your presentation is more or less complete |
| 23:10.31 | gabriel9 | oh no i already finished presentation. And i showed them phone and presentation |
| 23:10.54 | Royegoesson | and? |
| 23:11.12 | gabriel9 | they loved it |
| 23:11.14 | gabriel9 | N) |
| 23:11.17 | gabriel9 | 9 |
| 23:11.36 | Royegoesson | then still read it - they will love it more :D |
| 23:12.09 | Royegoesson | seriously |
| 23:12.17 | gabriel9 | great, is there a way to add phisical keyboard to my N9 |
| 23:12.22 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 23:12.42 | Royegoesson | Have I mentioned already wikipedia???... ;) |
| 23:12.57 | Royegoesson | read it, then ask questions |
| 23:13.06 | gabriel9 | ok :) |
| 23:13.25 | Royegoesson | there is |
| 23:14.31 | djszapi | what is the best software to "dd" onto my usb pendrive, if I would like to boot up a partitioner ? Is it still gparted nowadays or what ? |
| 23:16.08 | gabriel9 | gparted works for me |
| 23:16.24 | gabriel9 | this wiki about N9 is really nice |
| 23:16.36 | Royegoesson | thank you |
| 23:16.57 | Royegoesson | ;) |
| 23:18.00 | Royegoesson | But one thing there is missed. Do you know from where the most stupid trolls comes from? |
| 23:19.03 | Royegoesson | the right answer is about origins of one CEO of certain Company |
| 23:19.28 | Royegoesson | ;) of course I don't ponit anyone specific |
| 23:20.07 | Royegoesson | please do not repeat it |
| 23:20.40 | ajalkane | :) |
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| 23:25.50 | Royegoesson | And what job is most wanted among phone users? It is Fin: Trolljegeren |
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| 23:35.15 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 23:35.37 | gabriel9 | also, can you guys download any example for n9? from here http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Code_examples/Qt_MeeGo.xhtml |
| 23:40.47 | SpeedEvil | As part of our program of continual improvement, the Projects pages are offline for maintenance. |
| 23:41.41 | gabriel9 | for how long |
| 23:41.59 | gabriel9 | earlier i checked this page and it is same |
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| 23:48.01 | gabriel9 | night |
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