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| 00:09.43 | Enforcer | DocScrutinizer, what about cell tower info? |
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| 00:48.49 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone on atm? |
| 00:53.43 | beford | hey itsnotabigtruck |
| 00:58.04 | ljp | Enforcer: maybe look at QtMobility QSystemNetworkInfo |
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| 02:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | argh, i hate how the n9sphere dies down completely around now |
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| 05:44.43 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if anything major on the n9 is non-ipv6-aware? |
| 05:44.49 | itsnotabigtruck | (with ipv6 turned on via devmode) |
| 05:45.24 | itsnotabigtruck | i think i already found out that ping6 is broken, i should have bugged that when i could |
| 05:45.58 | tehdely | dropped my beautiful white N9 |
| 05:46.06 | tehdely | chipped off a nice chunk of plastic right by the headphone port |
| 05:46.11 | tehdely | i guess that makes it officially _mine_ and I can stop babying it |
| 05:46.26 | beford | lol |
| 05:46.55 | tehdely | i think i was taking it out to tweet some inane bullshit, so i probably deserved it |
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| 06:10.55 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: pingie |
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| 06:18.37 | ZogG_N9 | khertan_, tweeted you already, but still, your text editor cant be installed thru apps4meego |
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| 06:34.52 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: http://minus.com/mkUzzKXwF#1 |
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| 06:46.33 | pa | anybody using sparkleshare? |
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| 08:07.51 | gabriel9|work | morning |
| 08:07.59 | gabriel9|work | ok, today i will finish my app |
| 08:08.10 | gabriel9|work | so i need some good examples and tutorials |
| 08:08.35 | gabriel9|work | app will be free and with source so you can modify it for your countries |
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| 08:09.00 | gabriel9|work | can you please give me good tutorials and examples and guidelines. |
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| 08:21.25 | lucido | on the n9 my ap became uninstallable with the new firmware. "Cant delete Thie application is still running..." but my app functions as a daemon therefore closing it is done in the prerm script, but that is not exectuted before this new check |
| 08:21.46 | lucido | what is the mechanism of this "still running" check? |
| 08:23.43 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 08:27.05 | djszapiN9 | morn RST38h |
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| 08:46.19 | djszapi | morning jreznik :) |
| 08:46.33 | jreznik | djszapi: morning :) |
| 08:46.40 | jreznik | reading your kde edu summary mail |
| 08:47.00 | djszapi | oh you are also interested in PA ? |
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| 08:59.49 | jreznik | djszapi: yeah, we'd like to have PA on top of Fedora but with current PA style of development it's not fun :( |
| 09:01.28 | djszapi | jreznik: very good point. |
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| 10:28.19 | qronic | Who remembers, before PR1.2 we didn't have a scroll list position in Gallery app? Small white dot on the left |
| 10:28.29 | qronic | s/left/right/ |
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| 10:29.27 | CissWit | i'm with PR1.1, i do have the dot |
| 10:29.54 | qronic | I didn't notice then |
| 10:30.45 | MohammadAG | qronic: It wasn't it pr1.0 afaik |
| 10:31.12 | MohammadAG | And I'm 100% sure it wasn't in beta2 which was N9 1.0 |
| 10:33.01 | CissWit | qronic: i noticed it just because you just mentionned it "^^ |
| 10:33.22 | qronic | :) |
| 10:36.06 | MohammadAG | I noticed it by mistake since I usually scroll on the right side |
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| 10:52.53 | javispedro | does anyone remember the problem with the builtin browser and https://meego.com , where you could not login? |
| 10:53.28 | javispedro | does it work for you in PR1.2? I realized this morning that it started working here, and I dunno if it is because of openmode or because something server-side was changed. |
| 10:57.59 | lizardo | javispedro: I could login just fine (but there was a certificate warning) |
| 11:00.08 | javispedro | well the bug was there (#284 in developer.nokia.com), just didn't realize it was fixed |
| 11:01.00 | lizardo | hmm looks like I can even edit meego wiki now... I had problems with it "forgetting" my credentials |
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| 12:57.27 | RST38h | pwd |
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| 13:09.23 | gabriel9|work | :D |
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| 13:57.01 | petteri | when I install package made with qtsdk the isntall process shows the default qt icon, not my icon that is used to lauch the app from the app grid |
| 13:57.35 | petteri | any idea what should I change to get it to show my icon |
| 13:58.56 | djszapi | check whether the desktop file uses the absolute path of your icon. |
| 13:59.38 | petteri | it uses |
| 13:59.50 | djszapi | then of course, it should work. |
| 14:00.05 | petteri | i have a feeling that the default qt icon is embedded in the package description file or something |
| 14:01.46 | djszapi | the icon is not okay on the app launcher grid, but you have the proper desktop file entry ? |
| 14:02.22 | petteri | the right icon is on the app laucher grid |
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| 14:02.52 | petteri | , but when I install the deb there is this screen that shows qt icon and my apps description |
| 14:02.59 | djszapi | right. |
| 14:03.03 | djszapi | have you checked the control file ? |
| 14:03.25 | djszapi | do you have the proper "XB-Maemo-Icon-26:" entry in there ? |
| 14:04.19 | petteri | yes, but guess that that is the default qt icon and not mine |
| 14:04.38 | petteri | i think i'll try to google some more |
| 14:04.40 | djszapi | well generate your one and compare |
| 14:04.45 | djszapi | it is not that hard |
| 14:05.28 | djszapi | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_packaging#Maemo-specific_fields |
| 14:05.53 | petteri | thanks, I will investigate |
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| 15:21.07 | djszapi | hates Arch for python3 |
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| 15:24.30 | djszapi | What is the general way of determining python2.X for stuff ? |
| 15:24.39 | djszapi | PYTHON and PYTHON_VER environment variables do not work in this caes. |
| 15:24.47 | djszapi | case*, of course |
| 15:27.03 | lizardo | python -c "import sys; print sys.version_info" |
| 15:27.52 | djszapi | error even for that: http://paste.kde.org/438062/ |
| 15:30.42 | tehdely | then use a different linux ;) |
| 15:30.51 | tehdely | the whole ethos of arch is "always the latest, nothing less" |
| 15:31.06 | tehdely | i quit arch years ago for completely different reasons, mind you |
| 15:35.03 | djszapiN9 | please do not begin a flamewar |
| 15:38.56 | djszapi | lizardo: that is what you meant: python -c "import sys; print(sys.version_info)" |
| 15:38.59 | djszapi | sys.version_info(major=3, minor=2, micro=2, releaselevel='final', serial=0) |
| 15:39.03 | djszapi | but still, a simple --version is enough for that :) |
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| 15:46.00 | lizardo | djszapi: forgot to explain, that print() syntax has changed :) |
| 15:46.24 | djszapi | of course |
| 15:46.29 | djszapi | that is one of the main issues in here. |
| 15:46.32 | djszapi | along with zillion others. |
| 15:46.42 | djszapi | is trying to nuke python 3 altogether from arch |
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| 15:51.24 | djszapi | ok python3 is a history on my arch box |
| 15:54.35 | djszapi | now has perl issues...phantastic :D |
| 15:56.21 | beford | what are you doing |
| 15:56.25 | beford | compiling android? |
| 15:56.53 | djszapi | heh, anticipation well done :) |
| 15:57.18 | beford | I did that once |
| 15:57.25 | beford | you will have issues with make too |
| 15:57.26 | beford | xD |
| 15:58.11 | djszapi | I had |
| 15:58.17 | djszapi | I had to build make manually |
| 15:58.23 | djszapi | and call that make with absolute path :D |
| 15:58.24 | beford | that's what you get for using bleeding edge distro. I used some online guide which said the exact version needed for packages |
| 15:58.41 | djszapi | well the newest make version is broken |
| 15:58.50 | djszapi | although all the distros patch that serious bug out |
| 15:58.57 | djszapi | even arch, which is supposed to be as vanilla as possible. |
| 15:59.19 | beford | I keep getting this when I start xchat because I downgraded the package /usr/lib/xchat/plugins/perl.so: undefined symbol: Perl_sv_2bool_flags |
| 15:59.21 | beford | xD |
| 15:59.38 | djszapi | hahaha |
| 15:59.54 | djszapi | has never understood why grab "bleeding edge" craps. |
| 16:00.14 | djszapi | it is ok to grab working stuff, like KDE since it is tested properly, but ... python3 right after the release ? |
| 16:00.39 | beford | yea that broke ton of stuff |
| 16:00.40 | djszapi | the python1 -> python2 port took 5 years for some older core developers :p |
| 16:01.04 | beford | same all this libpng12->14->15 |
| 16:01.18 | djszapi | also, no matter what the community reacted, the maintainer did not change his mindset, typical :D |
| 16:05.08 | beford | I still have my android compile folder.. its like 25gb |
| 16:05.22 | djszapi | yes |
| 16:05.30 | djszapi | have you also built the image, or just an app ? |
| 16:05.34 | djszapi | I work on the platform side. |
| 16:05.40 | djszapi | so I need to build full blown images. |
| 16:05.40 | beford | the image yes |
| 16:05.49 | beford | for x86 vbox |
| 16:06.00 | djszapi | ohh I have real hardware |
| 16:06.14 | djszapi | I mean I have one in ordering, should be here pretty soon'ish :) |
| 16:06.37 | beford | but.. I ended downloading one xD because I was unable to see the mouse cursor in vbox there are patches to get it |
| 16:06.57 | djszapi | you mean a working public x86 image ? |
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| 16:07.34 | beford | yea, its available somewhere, for vbox with mouse support and some other small patches |
| 16:08.00 | beford | did you figure out what package was waiting for you in Fedex? |
| 16:08.19 | djszapi | yep, T-Shirt for the google code in mentorship last year. |
| 16:08.30 | beford | oh |
| 16:08.34 | beford | took a while |
| 16:08.34 | beford | xD |
| 16:08.37 | djszapi | funky that, no google mentioned anywhere :) |
| 16:09.30 | djszapi | beford: what did you develop for android, and full or pastime project it was ? |
| 16:10.14 | beford | nothing, just wanted to check the build process :D it was some months ago when ICS was released |
| 16:11.10 | MohammadAG | anyone with an incepted N950 can help me with diagnosing why led-event-notifier doesn't work? |
| 16:13.32 | beford | n9 :/ |
| 16:16.17 | MohammadAG | anything |
| 16:18.25 | javispedro | MohammadAG, it didn't work for me as I said you yesterday, no debug output, no d-bus activity, nothing |
| 16:18.40 | javispedro | MohammadAG, if you provide a verbosey version I can run it for you (but tonight...) |
| 16:18.47 | javispedro | s/said/told |
| 16:19.29 | javispedro | MohammadAG, I also failed to capture the signal you mentioned you were listening |
| 16:19.32 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it prints "Activating LED pattern" |
| 16:19.38 | MohammadAG | eventsAdded? |
| 16:19.43 | javispedro | yep |
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| 16:19.58 | javispedro | MohammadAG, didn't print anything here :( will check later the source |
| 16:20.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it's just four lines or so |
| 16:20.14 | MohammadAG | it's a glorified dbus script |
| 16:21.01 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ~ # dbus-monitor --session | grep events |
| 16:21.01 | MohammadAG | signal sender=:1.64 -> dest=(null destination) serial=409 path=/CommHistoryModel; interface=com.nokia.commhistory; member=eventsAdded |
| 16:21.44 | javispedro | yeah, I didn't find that |
| 16:21.48 | javispedro | though come to think of it |
| 16:21.57 | javispedro | I was mailing myself, not dialing myself :) |
| 16:22.07 | javispedro | and mails do not trigger anything in commhistory |
| 16:22.14 | MohammadAG | makes sense |
| 16:22.22 | MohammadAG | call yourself |
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| 16:22.59 | MohammadAG | I hate how I need Windows for anything iDevice-related |
| 16:23.21 | my_n900 | hi |
| 16:42.02 | MohammadAG | alterego, moc_newsfeedmodel.cpp:90: error: 'staticMetaObject' is not a member of 'MAbstractCellCreator<NewsFeedPost>' |
| 16:42.05 | MohammadAG | got any hints? |
| 16:42.27 | MohammadAG | also, anyone got ideas about controlling a webview internally? |
| 16:42.51 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking of skipping the facebook WebView login |
| 16:42.59 | MohammadAG | it's way too annoying on a capacitive screen |
| 16:44.00 | MohammadAG | What I'd like to do is fill a text box with the username, another with the password, tick remember password, and hit login |
| 16:44.07 | MohammadAG | on the next redirect, I'd like to click allow all |
| 16:44.14 | MohammadAG | a javascript button |
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| 16:59.03 | alterego | MohammadAG: in QML and even in Qt you can execute javascript in the webview context, hope that helps, not sure about your first issue though. |
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| 17:05.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, MTF |
| 17:05.10 | MohammadAG | err, nevermind |
| 17:05.19 | MohammadAG | guess I' |
| 17:05.26 | MohammadAG | I'll need to ask someone to help with JS :p |
| 17:05.59 | MohammadAG | alterego, I want to have a QList<NewsFeedPost*> in a class, the class header file can't include newsfeedpost.h since newsfeedpost.h includes the class |
| 17:06.09 | MohammadAG | in short, the compiler would loop |
| 17:07.47 | javispedro | "class NewsFeedPost;" |
| 17:08.01 | MohammadAG | oh right, didn't think of that |
| 17:17.03 | itsnotabigtruck | what's up |
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| 17:18.31 | javispedro | clouds |
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| 17:31.39 | MohammadAG | gas prices |
| 17:35.49 | RST38h | suicides |
| 17:36.05 | djszapiN9 | itsnotabigtruck, please try khangman from ui and cli. I wonder it behaves differently gor you, too. |
| 17:36.19 | djszapiN9 | if* |
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| 17:44.07 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapiN9: hey, maybe i'll install it in a bit |
| 17:47.39 | djszapiN9 | 10x |
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| 18:35.55 | djszapi | nice video http://dagobah.net/flash/switchlinux3.swf :) |
| 18:37.41 | tehdely | i haven't seen that in ages |
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| 18:45.02 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82991 |
| 18:45.08 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ aegisctl - it's now officially out |
| 18:45.46 | djszapi | https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat haha watman is even better :) |
| 18:48.23 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: might want to update to this one if you're still on the 0.1 i released the other day |
| 18:51.00 | itsnotabigtruck | i need to add a blurb about this on the inception website too |
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| 19:04.46 | AndrewX192 | Does anyone know where the documentation is for PUSH notifications? |
| 19:05.30 | AndrewX192 | I wrote a custom push notification system for my N900, but I'd have to change it to get it working on the N9 |
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| 19:11.25 | AndrewX192 | Also, Maemo bug 6289 still applies to harmattan |
| 19:15.20 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: i think it's on that projects website that's down right now |
| 19:16.57 | AndrewX192 | Okay, I ran into that |
| 19:17.43 | AndrewX192 | The N9's syslog sure is busy |
| 19:25.10 | tehdely | so here's a good question |
| 19:25.13 | tehdely | let's say my N9 dies in a year or two |
| 19:25.21 | tehdely | i took out an insurance policy on it, so they'll cut me a check to buy aqnother |
| 19:25.23 | tehdely | but will there.. be any more? |
| 19:25.26 | tehdely | O: |
| 19:25.46 | beford | they'll probably give you a lumia |
| 19:25.46 | beford | D; |
| 19:25.53 | tehdely | nah my insurer will cut me a check |
| 19:26.05 | tehdely | but there still needs to be another N9 to buy |
| 19:26.05 | beford | oh yea xD |
| 19:26.11 | tehdely | i ask because my baby got his first boo-boo today |
| 19:26.16 | tehdely | a little chip on the plastic by the headphone port |
| 19:26.22 | tehdely | thanks to being dropped about 4' onto cement |
| 19:26.28 | tehdely | alas, that's what i get for buying the white one |
| 19:26.49 | djszapi | beford: getting a hefty issue: http://paste.kde.org/438260/ |
| 19:27.37 | admiral0 | tehdely: 4'. americans.... |
| 19:27.43 | admiral0 | use SI! |
| 19:27.51 | tehdely | gross |
| 19:28.04 | tehdely | i'm not water, or light, or a piece of platinum sitting in a glass jar somewhere in france |
| 19:28.26 | admiral0 | well' it's better than having multiples of 8 or 12 |
| 19:28.38 | tehdely | i find much of the imperial system to be comfortably human-scaled |
| 19:28.47 | tehdely | it's completely illogical, but it fits like a well-worn glove |
| 19:28.56 | tehdely | SI had to be introduced via the guillotine ;) |
| 19:28.59 | beford | djszapi, is that a new TARGET? amd_brazos? I dont remember seeing it there |
| 19:29.15 | admiral0 | tehdely: .... |
| 19:29.45 | admiral0 | the fact is: the world uses SI. americans don't |
| 19:29.50 | tehdely | we're big enough to not care |
| 19:29.53 | beford | silly americans |
| 19:29.54 | beford | xD |
| 19:30.04 | tehdely | you can take my fahrenheit and feet and miles from my cold, dead, imperialist fingers |
| 19:30.12 | beford | lol |
| 19:30.18 | admiral0 | well, when a satellite crashes because of your programmers thinking in inches and miles it's a problem |
| 19:30.24 | tehdely | yes |
| 19:30.25 | djszapi | beford: yeah, it is. |
| 19:30.26 | tehdely | it's a bad coding problem |
| 19:30.31 | tehdely | and an even worse QA problem |
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| 19:30.41 | tehdely | they should have adopted Agile Methodologies, that bug would never have escaped the sprint! |
| 19:30.47 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 19:30.51 | tehdely | you're back! |
| 19:30.53 | admiral0 | it would |
| 19:30.59 | admiral0 | bot are int |
| 19:31.03 | admiral0 | or long int |
| 19:31.14 | tehdely | then your test harness is insufficient |
| 19:31.19 | tehdely | ;) |
| 19:31.27 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 19:31.33 | admiral0 | ... |
| 19:31.42 | jesuschrist | im having the strangest bug |
| 19:31.42 | tehdely | are we about to be raptured? |
| 19:31.51 | tehdely | i guess that's why they limited the release of the N9 |
| 19:31.53 | tehdely | so only 144,000 would have one... |
| 19:31.54 | tehdely | O: |
| 19:32.12 | jesuschrist | the store shows a perpetual ongoing installation of an app |
| 19:32.23 | jesuschrist | but the app is installed, any idea how to solve this ? |
| 19:34.05 | AndrewX192 | How is the ramzswap setup on the N9? is it subtracted from /proc/meminfo? |
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| 19:34.45 | AndrewX192 | Or does the device actually have 1.25GB of ram? |
| 19:34.55 | tehdely | i believe it has 1GB |
| 19:35.23 | jesuschrist | anyone know what could i do with this store bug ? |
| 19:35.25 | AndrewX192 | free -m indicates 985MB of total memory + 255MB swap |
| 19:35.43 | AndrewX192 | There is probably some memory lost to graphics |
| 19:35.54 | jesuschrist | the swap is taken from the 16gb or 64gb |
| 19:36.12 | AndrewX192 | Really? It uses compcache |
| 19:36.19 | tehdely | jesuschrist: sounds like some dpkg wonkiness but i would have no idea where to look |
| 19:36.35 | AndrewX192 | The ram "device" is /dev/ramzswap0 |
| 19:36.46 | jesuschrist | actually tehdely it lets me install new apps, something woudlnt let me do if an app was actually being installed |
| 19:36.50 | jesuschrist | plus rebooting doesnt solve |
| 19:37.05 | jesuschrist | whats the store process name ? |
| 19:37.45 | gabriel9 | does store work for you guys |
| 19:44.19 | AndrewX192 | 262144000 bytes (250.0MB) copied, 3.270416 seconds, 76.4MB/s |
| 19:44.25 | AndrewX192 | on the N9 |
| 19:44.30 | AndrewX192 | That's quite good |
| 19:45.47 | AndrewX192 | on a 1GB file, 24.3MB/s |
| 19:53.55 | itsnotabigtruck | hey admiral0 |
| 19:54.03 | itsnotabigtruck | just published aegisctl a few mins ago, get the latest ver |
| 19:54.10 | admiral0 | ok |
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| 19:55.10 | jesuschrist | itsnotabigtruck : do you know what causes a forever ongoing app installation in the store ? |
| 19:57.16 | itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist: not sure but it happens more often than it should |
| 19:57.29 | jesuschrist | hmm any idea on how to solve it |
| 19:57.36 | itsnotabigtruck | no :p |
| 19:57.54 | jesuschrist | do you know anyone else who had this happening to their phone? |
| 19:57.57 | itsnotabigtruck | it happened to me before |
| 19:58.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure how it got resolved |
| 19:58.06 | itsnotabigtruck | i think rebooting worked |
| 19:58.06 | jesuschrist | reflash ? |
| 19:58.09 | itsnotabigtruck | nah |
| 19:58.11 | jesuschrist | rebooting doesnt work |
| 19:58.22 | itsnotabigtruck | which app was it btw |
| 19:58.29 | jesuschrist | quickbeer |
| 19:58.31 | itsnotabigtruck | the speed test app is totally messed up |
| 19:58.33 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 19:58.42 | jesuschrist | i believe its unrelated to the app... |
| 19:58.53 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, iirc it's due to improper publishing of the app |
| 19:59.00 | itsnotabigtruck | and bad error handling in the ovi store client |
| 19:59.04 | jesuschrist | i only show it installing in the ovi store but its not actually installing... |
| 19:59.23 | jesuschrist | wonder what is the store process name |
| 20:02.37 | MohammadAG | why does an MNotification only display the subtitle? |
| 20:02.43 | MohammadAG | was the API changed? |
| 20:05.04 | MohammadAG | err, scratch that, at some point in time I changed my var to QString() |
| 20:05.06 | MohammadAG | headdesks |
| 20:08.06 | jesuschrist | the damn quickbeer forever installing!!! |
| 20:08.11 | jesuschrist | i emeailed the dev btw |
| 20:08.22 | jesuschrist | does he comes here in chat ? |
| 20:08.56 | gabriel9 | holy shit, jesus is here |
| 20:09.03 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 20:09.35 | gabriel9 | examples for N9 are online :) |
| 20:10.03 | tehdely | jesuschrist: it got resolved because some people needed you to reproduce it |
| 20:10.09 | tehdely | it's the same phenomenon that occurs whenever i go to the Genius Bar |
| 20:10.12 | tehdely | or call tech support, for anything |
| 20:10.30 | jesuschrist | im not following you tehdely |
| 20:10.33 | jesuschrist | what you mean |
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| 20:10.41 | tehdely | i'm saying that the very act of you coming to a channel trying to solve your issue is what caused it to solve itself |
| 20:10.45 | tehdely | it's like murphy's law of bugs |
| 20:11.00 | jesuschrist | actually the bug is still here |
| 20:11.10 | beford | its actually called a heisenbug |
| 20:11.12 | jesuschrist | emailed ovi and the dev |
| 20:11.39 | tehdely | beford: not really |
| 20:11.48 | tehdely | i think of a heisenbug as anything that disappears under observation |
| 20:11.53 | tehdely | there needs to be a different name for this phenomenon |
| 20:11.53 | beford | yes |
| 20:11.54 | beford | xD |
| 20:12.02 | beford | holybug |
| 20:12.03 | tehdely | the "i just called tech support and lo and behold, it's working!" phenomenon |
| 20:13.58 | itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: examples? |
| 20:14.11 | gabriel9 | P.S. Ford has/is paring down their number of platforms by 2/3 in just one product generation. So yes - virtually every one in the industry is paring down on platforms. Elop never said one phone. He simply said - a smaller number than the insanity that Nokia has. |
| 20:14.18 | gabriel9 | ups |
| 20:14.22 | gabriel9 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Code_examples/Qt_MeeGo.xhtml |
| 20:14.35 | tehdely | and eventually we'll see a merger with/replacement of Series 40 with chunks of MeeGo |
| 20:14.43 | tehdely | or so the rumors say... |
| 20:15.02 | tehdely | the interesting thing about developing for MeeGo now, though, is that Nokia has committed to Windows Phone for their high-end smartphones |
| 20:15.03 | itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: are any of those any good in their own right? |
| 20:15.06 | beford | MeeBian or SymGo |
| 20:15.10 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. is it worth building them and distributing binaries |
| 20:15.11 | tehdely | meaning that you're not developing for the phoens that will look anything like their future platform |
| 20:15.18 | gabriel9 | for me they are ok |
| 20:15.18 | tehdely | or the users that will look anything like their future users |
| 20:15.26 | gabriel9 | i just started with this development |
| 20:15.30 | tehdely | strange place for a developer to be... you've gotta be really committed |
| 20:15.35 | tehdely | or else it seems kind of a waste |
| 20:15.44 | tehdely | for me i just want to hack on the phone i own and make stuff that will benefit primarily me |
| 20:15.51 | tehdely | but nokia does not care very much about me :) |
| 20:16.08 | jesuschrist | we care tehdely, we care |
| 20:16.22 | tehdely | well gosh, I'm glad _somebody_ does! |
| 20:17.39 | gabriel9 | is there any good blog about nokia and smartphones? |
| 20:17.46 | beford | mynokiablog |
| 20:17.47 | beford | ? |
| 20:17.49 | gabriel9 | nooo |
| 20:17.52 | beford | everythingn9 ? |
| 20:17.58 | gabriel9 | winthat winthis |
| 20:17.59 | beford | oh you mean a good one |
| 20:18.00 | jesuschrist | windowsphoneblog ? |
| 20:18.01 | beford | xD |
| 20:18.03 | gabriel9 | :D |
| 20:18.08 | gabriel9 | damn |
| 20:18.09 | beford | there is a n9 developer blog |
| 20:18.13 | beford | on nokia |
| 20:19.13 | gabriel9 | njah they all chose side :/ |
| 20:19.21 | gabriel9 | no objectivity |
| 20:19.38 | gabriel9 | but this n9 developer is ok |
| 20:19.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be cool to have a file manager that's aegis-aware and has a root mode |
| 20:20.08 | gabriel9 | damn, i need to learn linux more. I don't know what are you speaking |
| 20:20.12 | itsnotabigtruck | what i'm thinking is that it would assert CAP::dac_override |
| 20:20.12 | beford | nemo has a new filemanager, filemuncher its called maybe we can adapt it? |
| 20:20.22 | itsnotabigtruck | and fork and drop that capability |
| 20:20.47 | itsnotabigtruck | and then it would have some facility for entering the root password, which would relaunch and activate CAP::dac_override |
| 20:21.38 | itsnotabigtruck | dac_override = global access to file system |
| 20:21.42 | beford | but what could it be used for? |
| 20:21.49 | beford | I mean if we replace soemthing MALF will appear |
| 20:21.50 | beford | no? |
| 20:22.07 | itsnotabigtruck | well, this would be for manipulating files owned by any of the users (user, developer, root) |
| 20:22.16 | itsnotabigtruck | not aegis-protected files |
| 20:22.18 | beford | yea |
| 20:22.53 | beford | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlfilemuncher |
| 20:23.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that isn't really a winning name :p |
| 20:23.21 | beford | ;P |
| 20:23.25 | itsnotabigtruck | and nemo doesn't have aegis so that couldn't be upstreamed |
| 20:23.40 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: where's your hotspot fix at? |
| 20:23.41 | beford | nothing related to aegis can be |
| 20:23.49 | beford | appsformeego I believe |
| 20:23.52 | beford | also on the forum |
| 20:24.00 | beford | ad-hac right? |
| 20:24.11 | AndrewX192 | Found it |
| 20:25.35 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 20:25.43 | itsnotabigtruck | if it works, please set up a meego.com account and approve it |
| 20:25.46 | itsnotabigtruck | (community qa) |
| 20:26.03 | itsnotabigtruck | though the word on the street is that AFM has a limited shelf life now...i'm not sure when it's going to be shut down |
| 20:27.57 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know if it's possible to temporarily deactivate a linux capability |
| 20:28.00 | itsnotabigtruck | then reactivate it later |
| 20:28.10 | itsnotabigtruck | via either aegis or linux apis |
| 20:28.47 | AndrewX192 | hah, WEP |
| 20:29.09 | beford | my n9 gets really hot when using hotspot |
| 20:29.28 | beford | I know why they called it like that |
| 20:29.29 | beford | xD |
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| 20:40.55 | AndrewX192 | N9 nokia brower doesn't trust https://meego.com? |
| 20:43.15 | virtuald | it's a self signed cert issued 22/2 this year |
| 20:43.50 | virtuald | or really issued by startcom.. hmm |
| 20:44.23 | virtuald | o certificate chain |
| 20:45.28 | virtuald | no* |
| 20:46.51 | MohammadAG | Sociality's 70% done |
| 20:47.20 | MohammadAG | What's left: Messages (not important), Events, Photos, Notes, and Chat |
| 20:47.31 | MohammadAG | not sure if I'm going to implement chat since it's built in anyway |
| 20:49.12 | beford | Message and Chat? facebook unificated those |
| 20:49.16 | beford | so its the same thing |
| 20:56.01 | itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: it's not self-signed |
| 20:56.04 | itsnotabigtruck | well, you said that already |
| 20:56.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i think they forgot to put in the intermediate cert |
| 20:56.15 | itsnotabigtruck | does the N9 cache intermediate certs? |
| 20:56.32 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, try visiting https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception |
| 20:56.36 | itsnotabigtruck | then visit https://meego.com |
| 21:01.13 | virtuald | nope doesn't work for me |
| 21:03.02 | virtuald | works on firefox mobile |
| 21:03.48 | itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: right, because firefox remembers intermediate certs |
| 21:04.14 | itsnotabigtruck | btw have you incepted yet, and if so, have you seen aegisctl |
| 21:04.28 | itsnotabigtruck | also MohammadAG beford: make sure to grab aegisctl |
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| 21:04.55 | itsnotabigtruck | er, mohammadag already thank'd my post so i guess he's seen it already :) |
| 21:07.27 | itsnotabigtruck | also i asked last night but no one was on - anyone know if anything major on the N9 is ipv6-unaware? |
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| 21:10.45 | virtuald | opera doesn't check |
| 21:19.33 | itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: what do you mean |
| 21:20.26 | virtuald | opera mobile does not give me a warning when i go to meego.com after i've cleared the cache |
| 21:20.36 | virtuald | i've reported the issue now |
| 21:21.08 | tehdely | i wish opera mobile registered itself as a web browser with the OS |
| 21:21.11 | tehdely | bit of an oversight |
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| 21:21.23 | tehdely | i used it as my primary browser on Symbian and would like to use it on the N9 too but it's kind of inconvenient |
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| 21:22.09 | virtuald | umm yeah proprietary technology |
| 21:22.26 | virtuald | ;) |
| 21:22.41 | itsnotabigtruck | https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ just added aegisctl on the inception website |
| 21:23.05 | itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely: any chance you could enter a qa approval on appsformeego for ad-hac? |
| 21:23.47 | itsnotabigtruck | lol, 'fruit bug' is now outranking inception on n9-apps.com |
| 21:26.01 | itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like teleshoes entered an approval (thanks) |
| 21:32.21 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm, where'd everyone go :( |
| 21:33.28 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: what's the benefit of your client vs the built-in one? |
| 21:33.31 | virtuald | i'm still on n9-apps.com :> |
| 21:36.07 | itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: hm? |
| 21:37.56 | virtuald | i mean i'm here i'm just web browsing |
| 21:40.30 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1176343&highlight=blacklisted#post1176343 |
| 21:40.41 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know what people mean by "blacklisted" |
| 21:43.24 | beford | fruit bug looks nice |
| 21:43.25 | beford | xD |
| 21:44.13 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 21:44.38 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: get aegisctl! :p you know you want it |
| 21:44.57 | beford | i already have it |
| 21:45.32 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: ah ok |
| 21:45.43 | itsnotabigtruck | is it the one published a few hours ago? |
| 21:45.48 | beford | oh no |
| 21:45.59 | beford | the deb from yesterday |
| 21:46.11 | beford | I dont have AFM |
| 21:46.11 | itsnotabigtruck | i published 3 different releases (0.1, 1.2, and the new 1.2) |
| 21:46.43 | itsnotabigtruck | the first 1.2 added the --really feature and better help, the second 1.2 just changed the help a little |
| 21:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | so nothing really urgent |
| 21:47.15 | itsnotabigtruck | but the latest one is the newest and shiniest :p |
| 21:48.25 | beford | wat |
| 21:48.29 | beford | cant find it installed |
| 21:48.30 | beford | xD |
| 21:48.42 | beford | I thought I had it, how is the binary called? |
| 21:50.39 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: /usr/sbin/aegisctl |
| 21:50.52 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're using meego terminal, /usr/sbin isn't in the path by default |
| 21:52.17 | matrixx | X-Fade: ping |
| 21:53.43 | itsnotabigtruck | everybody needs to start putting qr codes in their tmo posts |
| 22:01.42 | tehdely | gross |
| 22:04.06 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: lol why |
| 22:09.13 | tehdely | i just hate QR codes, that's all |
| 22:09.16 | tehdely | they're kitschy and noone uses them |
| 22:09.20 | tehdely | i want them to die |
| 22:11.40 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: they're kitschy when used for marketing and stuff |
| 22:11.49 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like a natural way though to convey a url from the screen to the phone |
| 22:30.11 | *** join/#harmattan beford (~fercho@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 23:01.10 | pawky|2 | any one seen any link to a command line vpnc client that will run under the N9? Jonni mentioned he had seen it, but didn't have any link.. |
| 23:05.57 | *** join/#harmattan acidjunkie (~acidjunki@ne18108.nerionics.de) |
| 23:20.01 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo_N950 (~Venemo@fedora/Venemo) |
| 23:23.40 | Piru | oh well, enough time has passed and the author doesn't appear to be interested |
| 23:24.20 | Piru | http://sintonen.fi/pics/dropn9_cleartext_credentials-1.png http://sintonen.fi/pics/dropn9_cleartext_credentials-2.png |
| 23:24.33 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.35 | Piru | oh yes, uninstalling it does NOT remove the password |
| 23:24.38 | Sazpaimon | what the hell does that even mean |
| 23:25.09 | Piru | you need to manually rm the sqlite database after uninstall or your cleartext passwd is available until you wipe the phone |
| 23:25.39 | mgedmin | wheee heheh |
| 23:25.55 | mgedmin | an ovi store review seems to be in order |
| 23:26.10 | Piru | I notified the author and nokia months ago. |
| 23:26.14 | Piru | lets check the date |
| 23:26.29 | Piru | author oct 30 |
| 23:27.36 | Piru | and nokia some time after. long long time ago anyway |
| 23:28.35 | Piru | so first: if you're in open wireless AP anyone can sniff your dropbox password off the air |
| 23:28.48 | Piru | it's sent in cleartext over http |
| 23:29.39 | Piru | second: your dropbox password is saved, again in clear text, in sqlite database on your phone. the database remains on the device even after you uninstall the application |
| 23:30.38 | mgedmin | software is hopeless |
| 23:32.46 | itsnotabigtruck | what kernel modules do you guys need/want/etc. |
| 23:33.03 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm looking through the kconfig looking for things that would be useful to build |
| 23:33.16 | Sazpaimon | im content with what we ha ve |
| 23:33.32 | Sazpaimon | that is until we can do wifi injection |
| 23:34.09 | itsnotabigtruck | well, i'm thinking at least ipsec and iptables stuff |
| 23:34.19 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia provides ipsec modules but it seems not enough to actually use ipsec |
| 23:34.23 | Sazpaimon | iptables would be nice I gues |
| 23:34.41 | Sazpaimon | i had no real use for it on the N900 beyond getting adhocmode |
| 23:35.19 | Sazpaimon | if there's a variant of linux-wireless that allows for AP mode, that'd be cool |
| 23:35.30 | Sazpaimon | i know our chipset supports it |
| 23:36.47 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i thought it was already supported |
| 23:37.02 | itsnotabigtruck | what happens if you try putting it in master mode with iwconfig |
| 23:38.01 | Sazpaimon | i dont have iw installed |
| 23:38.03 | Sazpaimon | afk |
| 23:39.32 | tehdely | oh man |
| 23:39.34 | tehdely | infrastructure mode would just |
| 23:39.36 | tehdely | seal the fuckin deal |
| 23:47.53 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 23:48.45 | Sazpaimon | oh right |
| 23:48.55 | Sazpaimon | i get it confused with iw a lot |
| 23:50.42 | Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:~# iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
| 23:50.43 | Sazpaimon | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 23:50.43 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.12 | Sazpaimon | had a feeling |
| 23:51.15 | tehdely | :( |
| 23:51.20 | tehdely | i was hoping that I'd finally be able to do that on N9 |
| 23:51.24 | tehdely | I know Symbian has that shackle |
| 23:51.29 | tehdely | really, who is using WEP in this day and age |
| 23:51.44 | tehdely | people whose mobiles can't run in infrastructure mode but still want to share their 3/4G connection, that's who! |
| 23:51.45 | tehdely | *sigh* |
| 23:51.50 | Sazpaimon | I installed iw from debian, let me check |
| 23:52.11 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.11 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.11 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.11 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.20 | Sazpaimon | nope |
| 23:52.35 | Sazpaimon | hostapd wont work with it either |
| 23:52.53 | tehdely | what is the chipset in question |
| 23:53.00 | tehdely | is it possible AP mode would work with a different driver |
| 23:53.31 | Sazpaimon | i can never remember |
| 23:58.42 | Sazpaimon | wl1271 I bnelieve |
