| 00:00.34 | tehdely | http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/307/t/49851.aspx |
| 00:00.38 | tehdely | it may support something called 'SoftAP' |
| 00:00.50 | tehdely | but whomever asked that question can't seem to get a clear answer from TI |
| 00:00.52 | tehdely | so i doubt we will either |
| 00:01.51 | tehdely | hmm: http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/307/t/112312.aspx |
| 00:01.57 | tehdely | see last two posts |
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| 00:02.45 | tehdely | http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP_Wireless_Connectivity_NLCP_WLAN_AP_Configuration_Scripts |
| 00:03.32 | Piru | waiiit, I've missed an update. indeed I think the first problem has been since fixed. |
| 00:03.53 | Piru | using oauth now like it should |
| 00:04.12 | Piru | wonder about the sqlite though |
| 00:04.31 | Sazpaimon | tehdely, there's a patch for wl1271 to enable AP mode |
| 00:04.38 | Sazpaimon | in linux-wireless |
| 00:04.45 | Sazpaimon | not sure if we have that version or not |
| 00:04.54 | tehdely | i assume that patch is for the kernel module? |
| 00:04.58 | tehdely | or is it just for the userspace tools |
| 00:05.17 | Sazpaimon | kernel module |
| 00:05.42 | Sazpaimon | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/59552 |
| 00:06.06 | Piru | it should be fixed considering oauth doesn't require storing of the pwd.. but lets confirm |
| 00:06.21 | AndrewX192 | I get an error when downloading an app I purchased in the Nokia Store. |
| 00:06.23 | AndrewX192 | :| |
| 00:07.13 | Sazpaimon | tehdely, but that wiki is right, getting AP mopde to work would require hostapd |
| 00:07.33 | tehdely | well that's cool, i just care that the hardware supports it |
| 00:07.37 | tehdely | that means that the N9 will eventually ;) |
| 00:07.39 | tehdely | at least in theory |
| 00:07.45 | tehdely | God, I need to buy a few more N9s to stockpile |
| 00:07.53 | tehdely | a phone this good won't come along for a while and mine will eventually break lol |
| 00:08.02 | Sazpaimon | well if itsnotabigtruck wants to look at the bleeding edge linux-wireless he's free to do so |
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| 00:08.55 | Sazpaimon | i believe we would need the NL80211/mac80211 |
| 00:08.58 | Sazpaimon | but i cant remember |
| 00:10.04 | Sazpaimon | if we had kernel 2.6.39, this support would alrady be here |
| 00:10.25 | Sazpaimon | for now, patches from https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/luca/wl12xx.git;a=summary would need to be applied |
| 00:10.40 | tehdely | i'm assuming i could install a custom kernel if i wanted to, either forcing origin in open mode or using inception |
| 00:10.42 | tehdely | is this correct/ |
| 00:11.05 | beford | AndrewX192, I think you have up to 5 downloads attempt or it will try to charge again |
| 00:11.21 | AndrewX192 | Yep, it says I have to pay again |
| 00:11.26 | itsnotabigtruck | so...what, precisely, is necessary for infra mode wifi |
| 00:11.31 | beford | AndrewX192, that's what some claim .. what did you buy? try to contact the developer and nokia |
| 00:11.32 | AndrewX192 | dpkg database was locked |
| 00:11.34 | AndrewX192 | gah |
| 00:11.37 | itsnotabigtruck | let me check if wl12xx is compiled as a module |
| 00:11.40 | beford | owned |
| 00:11.45 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, it is |
| 00:11.49 | Sazpaimon | but we dont want that |
| 00:11.56 | Sazpaimon | we want mac80211 instead |
| 00:12.09 | itsnotabigtruck | this is a bit of a problem, it looks like strongswan requires IP policy routing, which seems to have to be compiled into the kernel itself |
| 00:12.11 | AndrewX192 | beford: $.99 program |
| 00:12.25 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i think it already has mac80211? |
| 00:12.31 | Sazpaimon | it doesn;t |
| 00:12.40 | Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:~# lsmod |grep 80211 |
| 00:12.40 | Sazpaimon | RM696-07-1_PR_001:~# |
| 00:12.50 | Sazpaimon | if we have wl12xx, then we dont have mac80211 |
| 00:12.58 | beford | AndrewX192, oh yea, I meant what app, its not relevant though.. |
| 00:12.59 | Sazpaimon | wl12xx isnt part of compat-wireless iirc |
| 00:13.06 | itsnotabigtruck | CONFIG_MAC80211=y |
| 00:13.06 | AndrewX192 | beford: Communi |
| 00:13.14 | AndrewX192 | Error again |
| 00:13.24 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't show in lsmod because it's compiled in |
| 00:13.33 | Sazpaimon | weird |
| 00:13.46 | Sazpaimon | then these wl12xx may be overriding it |
| 00:13.54 | Sazpaimon | or maybe im not remembering right |
| 00:14.19 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like wl12xx doesn't depend on mac80211 |
| 00:14.28 | itsnotabigtruck | so i guess they're just parallel |
| 00:14.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there? |
| 00:14.40 | itsnotabigtruck | is there a newer wl12xx driver we can load? |
| 00:14.43 | Piru | indeed it looks like it has been fixed. so some of my frustration was misguided. good :) |
| 00:15.05 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, yes, that git |
| 00:15.40 | Sazpaimon | http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/OMAP_Wireless_Connectivity_mac80211_compat_wireless_implementation_Architecture#wl12xx.git |
| 00:17.37 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: so we patch that into nokia's kernel tree |
| 00:17.44 | Sazpaimon | also, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/wl12xx has some cevats for older kernels listed |
| 00:17.49 | itsnotabigtruck | oh |
| 00:17.52 | Sazpaimon | specificallty for 2.6.32 |
| 00:18.26 | itsnotabigtruck | i hope those patches are for modules |
| 00:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: already asleep |
| 00:19.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh well, cya tomorrow then. |
| 00:21.18 | itsnotabigtruck | btw TWL4030_USB is already selected |
| 00:21.32 | itsnotabigtruck | that's a usb host mode driver for omap and twl4030 (not sure what the latter is or if we have it) |
| 00:22.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like it's a companion chip to omap3 and we probably have it |
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| 00:22.46 | javispedro | twl4030 is a usb TRANSCEIVER |
| 00:22.52 | javispedro | among many other things |
| 00:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | re hostmode: DO NOT!!! try to activate twl4030 USB chargepump while bq is still in charging mode (I.E. bme still active) - it might kill your hardware |
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| 00:24.39 | itsnotabigtruck | ok |
| 00:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | I guess twl4030 chargepump doesn't work just like in N900, but I'm not entirely sure about it |
| 00:24.58 | itsnotabigtruck | also, it looks like the "inventra dual role controller" is configured in slave mode only |
| 00:27.11 | itsnotabigtruck | and that's not a module |
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| 00:27.23 | javispedro | inventra what? |
| 00:29.53 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: it's apparently the silicon IP that ti licensed for omap |
| 00:30.01 | javispedro | musb you mean |
| 00:31.34 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 00:32.13 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds like i better stay away from USB stuff, heh |
| 00:32.22 | itsnotabigtruck | in any case, it seems everything usb is compiled in |
| 00:32.33 | itsnotabigtruck | which would interfere with patching that stuff without replacing the entire kernel |
| 00:33.32 | javispedro | while there are certainly methods to boot a kernel in closed mode, I still don't get why continue on it... |
| 00:35.31 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there? |
| 00:37.56 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i was thinking about that, but for now i'm just looking into building a bunch of kernel modules and shipping them for inception |
| 00:38.03 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ye? |
| 00:38.29 | itsnotabigtruck | and it looks like the that mostly ends up being a bunch of ipsec / iptables stuff |
| 00:38.43 | itsnotabigtruck | any ideas for more stuff that can be built as modules, that's useful? |
| 00:39.10 | javispedro | MohammadAG: can you send me that led-event-notifier package that is more verbose, or was that the one that you published yesterday? |
| 00:39.33 | javispedro | you mentioned that it should print something, and I cannot even find the string on the binary |
| 00:39.44 | javispedro | (maybe I'm being an idiot though) |
| 00:40.56 | MohammadAG | javispedro, first version ever had the strings |
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| 00:44.50 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, how about SND_SEQUENCER |
| 00:44.54 | itsnotabigtruck | (alsa midi sequencing support) |
| 00:45.02 | javispedro | useless |
| 00:45.32 | javispedro | timidity works without it (as it is userspace plugin to alsalib), and to plug a synthesizer you will need usbhost |
| 00:45.36 | javispedro | *a usb synthesizer |
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| 00:47.10 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: hm, ok. how about CUSE (FUSE for character devices) |
| 00:47.40 | javispedro | maybe useful for someone, who knows. |
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| 02:12.20 | AndrewX192 | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg <- wow, hadn't seen this in a while |
| 02:13.32 | beford | lol |
| 02:13.43 | beford | some people keeps it at 1ghz now |
| 02:13.51 | AndrewX192 | 805Mhz for me |
| 02:14.17 | AndrewX192 | I'm really happy with the N9's idle power use |
| 02:14.26 | AndrewX192 | Active power use? Not so much |
| 02:16.30 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: what's that from? |
| 02:16.48 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: N900 announcement? |
| 02:16.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 02:17.08 | itsnotabigtruck | so far, not that much reaction to aegisctl :( |
| 02:17.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess it's a pretty niche tool, and my description is pretty technical |
| 02:17.32 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's not that niche - it's of interest to anyone who wants a proper root shell on harmattan |
| 02:17.35 | AndrewX192 | I'm still not sure if I want to install inception |
| 02:17.40 | itsnotabigtruck | you know you want it |
| 02:17.44 | itsnotabigtruck | :D |
| 02:17.49 | AndrewX192 | I'd like to have what it offers |
| 02:17.54 | AndrewX192 | But I don't want to install it |
| 02:18.10 | AndrewX192 | For whatever reason, Nokia store doesn't work on a number of applications now |
| 02:18.15 | AndrewX192 | I can't install applications |
| 02:18.29 | itsnotabigtruck | and the way to have what it offers is to install it :p |
| 02:18.30 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 02:18.32 | AndrewX192 | But I can install .deb files via terminal |
| 02:18.36 | itsnotabigtruck | that's peculiar |
| 02:18.52 | itsnotabigtruck | what happens if you install a .deb using: pkgmgr install-file -f foo.deb |
| 02:19.27 | itsnotabigtruck | that uses the package-manager subsystem that installing things from the gui uses |
| 02:19.37 | itsnotabigtruck | also, what happens if you install a .deb via the gui, but not from ovi store |
| 02:19.58 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. by downloading a deb in the browser or locating one in the file manager, and launching it |
| 02:21.34 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192 ^ |
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| 02:28.51 | AndrewX192 | http://store.ovi.com/content/219150 can't download it |
| 02:29.25 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: hmm |
| 02:29.32 | itsnotabigtruck | well, let's set that aside for now and do the pkgmgr test |
| 02:29.48 | AndrewX192 | Let me find a free app that won't install |
| 02:29.58 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: hold on |
| 02:30.09 | AndrewX192 | http://store.ovi.com/content/195884 |
| 02:30.10 | itsnotabigtruck | find a .deb package that's marked as user-installable |
| 02:30.14 | itsnotabigtruck | NOT OVI |
| 02:30.16 | itsnotabigtruck | well, actually |
| 02:30.18 | itsnotabigtruck | free ovi apps work |
| 02:30.34 | AndrewX192 | I'm going to make sure that won't install first |
| 02:30.46 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: forget ovi for now |
| 02:30.53 | itsnotabigtruck | what i want to troubleshoot first is whether it's pkgmgr acting up |
| 02:31.07 | itsnotabigtruck | though actually, if we test with something that fails with ovistoreclient that proves something |
| 02:31.09 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so test that |
| 02:31.15 | AndrewX192 | Okay, it failed from OVI |
| 02:31.20 | AndrewX192 | So, download the .deb? |
| 02:31.47 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 02:32.02 | itsnotabigtruck | http://minus.com/mDaDnja0S# i reuploaded it, or you can just sign into the ovi website then add /download after the number |
| 02:32.16 | AndrewX192 | I downloaded it |
| 02:32.38 | itsnotabigtruck | also this is extremely strange...someone just sent me a vague threat via my donation link, with some BS whois info in it |
| 02:32.55 | itsnotabigtruck | sighs |
| 02:33.06 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, ok, so get onto SSH |
| 02:33.13 | itsnotabigtruck | cd to the directory with the deb in it |
| 02:33.17 | AndrewX192 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.19 | itsnotabigtruck | and do pkgmgr install-file -f thefile.deb |
| 02:33.32 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, what did you do to install it |
| 02:33.45 | AndrewX192 | pkgmgr install-file -f internetradioplayer_1_356823.0.7_armel. |
| 02:33.45 | AndrewX192 | deb?q\=sYcXf29Ng0HrmCEj-ARFiHk6udz2J6Qq\&c\=ovi_store\&eid\=7d61cf9f-a7af-4b5b-8 |
| 02:34.06 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, hmm, where did that /mer part come from |
| 02:34.12 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, so it's not package-manager acting up |
| 02:34.26 | AndrewX192 | Don't know about the /mer |
| 02:34.34 | AndrewX192 | The app starts up fine too |
| 02:34.36 | AndrewX192 | weird |
| 02:34.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that was in what you pasted |
| 02:34.57 | AndrewX192 | I know |
| 02:35.27 | AndrewX192 | I guess I'll remove it and try ovi now |
| 02:35.53 | itsnotabigtruck | ovi will probably still be broken then |
| 02:37.05 | AndrewX192 | Hm, so in that package list, there was an ! next to the communi package |
| 02:37.16 | itsnotabigtruck | which package list? |
| 02:37.18 | AndrewX192 | So I told it to try again and it said that there was an issue downloading |
| 02:37.24 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, that |
| 02:37.27 | AndrewX192 | Settings -> Manage Applications |
| 02:37.30 | itsnotabigtruck | be careful, you might use up your 5 downloads |
| 02:37.33 | itsnotabigtruck | then you'll have to pirate |
| 02:38.02 | AndrewX192 | I probably already have |
| 02:39.04 | itsnotabigtruck | see PM |
| 02:39.21 | AndrewX192 | Ovi can't install Internet Radio Player |
| 02:39.23 | AndrewX192 | After I removed it.. |
| 02:46.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i want to say just reflash, but that's a "cheap" way out |
| 02:47.39 | AndrewX192 | It only happens on select applications |
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| 02:49.58 | AndrewX192 | Oh, I see the red ! in my applications list prompts me to re-download |
| 02:50.14 | AndrewX192 | (That's way better than what iOS does - it just throws away what you were going to download and you have to find it again) |
| 02:54.30 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 02:55.08 | AndrewX192 | I wonder if running /usr/bin/ovistoreclient will output anything |
| 02:55.41 | AndrewX192 | Hm, it's different |
| 02:55.45 | itsnotabigtruck | you could try it |
| 02:55.45 | AndrewX192 | Now I have to sign into Nokia |
| 02:55.53 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, that's because you ran it as user |
| 02:55.55 | itsnotabigtruck | don't sign in |
| 02:55.58 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, ran it as developer |
| 02:56.01 | itsnotabigtruck | you should su to user first |
| 02:56.04 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, developer |
| 02:56.05 | itsnotabigtruck | devel-su |
| 02:56.06 | AndrewX192 | kk |
| 02:56.07 | itsnotabigtruck | enter root pw |
| 02:56.09 | itsnotabigtruck | then |
| 02:56.14 | itsnotabigtruck | devel-su -c 'ovistoreclient' user |
| 02:56.14 | AndrewX192 | that's not "root"? |
| 02:56.17 | AndrewX192 | oh |
| 02:56.19 | AndrewX192 | Okay |
| 02:57.49 | AndrewX192 | Hah, no output |
| 02:58.24 | AndrewX192 | (that is, during the installation process) |
| 02:58.37 | AndrewX192 | Everything else is SignOn crap |
| 02:59.44 | AndrewX192 | Just for grins, I downloaded "Podcasts" from OVI without issues. |
| 03:05.18 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: other ideas? |
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| 03:10.51 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: back |
| 03:11.00 | itsnotabigtruck | sorry, i'm working on a security analysis paper |
| 03:11.13 | itsnotabigtruck | about inception, actually, heh |
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| 04:01.20 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: did you ever get it sorted? |
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| 04:12.38 | itsnotabigtruck | also, anyone else on right now |
| 04:12.48 | itsnotabigtruck | if so, is anyone aware of any open source file managers for N9 |
| 04:12.56 | itsnotabigtruck | beford mentioned filemuncher earlier |
| 04:15.26 | franz` | anyone knows how to call a specific duicontrolpanel applet directly via the command line? |
| 04:15.49 | Necrosporus | There's is the terminal, I'm pretty sure, cp, mv, rm are free and open source software |
| 04:16.24 | Necrosporus | Is the terminal emulator itself FOSS however? |
| 04:17.08 | itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: it is |
| 04:17.14 | itsnotabigtruck | look up meego-terminal, it's on gitorious |
| 04:17.17 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: nope |
| 04:17.18 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: no idea |
| 04:17.35 | franz` | lol, there's a -show-fps flag on duicontrolpanel |
| 04:17.45 | itsnotabigtruck | it's GPL2 to be exact |
| 04:17.47 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 04:18.23 | AndrewX192 | lol |
| 04:18.28 | AndrewX192 | 59fps |
| 04:18.29 | itsnotabigtruck | Necrosporus: but what i meant by "file managers" is gui file management programs |
| 04:18.31 | Necrosporus | how nice it would be if N9 software were completely FOSS, including everything what's preinstalled |
| 04:18.40 | franz` | nah, that'd be terrible! |
| 04:18.46 | franz` | http://i.imgur.com/AkSdI.png but yeah, lol fps |
| 04:18.48 | itsnotabigtruck | things like filebox, but filebox isn't oss |
| 04:19.11 | itsnotabigtruck | what i want to do is have an aegis-aware file manager that can access the entire system |
| 04:19.52 | AndrewX192 | franz`: try -dev |
| 04:20.04 | Necrosporus | franz`, why? |
| 04:21.04 | franz` | http://i.imgur.com/jA2nc.png lol |
| 04:21.45 | AndrewX192 | Hehe |
| 04:21.47 | AndrewX192 | -software too |
| 04:22.20 | AndrewX192 | http://grabup.andrewx192.com/1331612023 |
| 04:22.42 | itsnotabigtruck | whoa, that's pretty cool |
| 04:22.54 | AndrewX192 | Because it lags so much |
| 04:22.55 | AndrewX192 | lol |
| 04:22.57 | itsnotabigtruck | the -dev stuff |
| 04:23.14 | franz` | this is great lol |
| 04:24.55 | AndrewX192 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:28.50 | AndrewX192 | hah |
| 04:28.57 | AndrewX192 | So the N9 just gave me a new email notification |
| 04:29.04 | AndrewX192 | So I pick up the device and swipe to view the email |
| 04:29.09 | AndrewX192 | Then it says it doesn't exist |
| 04:29.10 | AndrewX192 | nice |
| 04:29.18 | franz` | lol |
| 04:30.02 | AndrewX192 | Apparenly from an email I saw 15 minutes ago |
| 04:30.03 | AndrewX192 | Weird |
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| 04:36.29 | itsnotabigtruck | btw franz`: if you didn't already, get the final version of aegisctl |
| 04:36.34 | itsnotabigtruck | also Necrosporus: did you buy your N9 yet? |
| 04:36.40 | franz` | I didn't |
| 04:38.12 | franz` | why do I keep getting certificate errors when wgetting from endno.de btw, itsnotabigtruck? |
| 04:38.39 | tehdely | i think wget will do that with any SSLed site unless you point it to a truststore of some sort |
| 04:38.43 | tehdely | forgive me if i'm wrong |
| 04:46.05 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely franz`: it's because wget ignores the "subject alternative name" field |
| 04:46.11 | tehdely | ah |
| 04:46.23 | itsnotabigtruck | endno.de has a certificate for www.endno.de, with a SAN extension that says it's also good for endno.de |
| 04:46.31 | itsnotabigtruck | but wget only looks at the subject line, not the san line |
| 04:46.32 | tehdely | <3 SAN |
| 04:46.34 | itsnotabigtruck | so it thinks it's no good |
| 04:46.45 | itsnotabigtruck | the net problem is that wget needs to enter the 21st century :p |
| 04:46.46 | franz` | dns is black magic |
| 04:46.50 | tehdely | i have a few sites protected by CloudFlare |
| 04:46.54 | tehdely | and they sell teh cheapest SSL ever |
| 04:46.57 | tehdely | the reason it's so cheap |
| 04:47.02 | tehdely | is they proxy your site + like 30 others |
| 04:47.08 | tehdely | and use one cert with all those names as SAN |
| 04:47.10 | tehdely | works for me! |
| 04:47.11 | Necrosporus | itsnotabigtruck, nope, I did not... this StyleVieCOM stuff do not ship to Russia |
| 04:47.20 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: startcom is the cheapest ssl ever, it's free :p |
| 04:47.24 | SpeedEvil | I wish wget supported compression. |
| 04:47.26 | SpeedEvil | That'd be nice |
| 04:47.28 | Necrosporus | I wonder if Negri does |
| 04:47.36 | itsnotabigtruck | but only for x.domain.tld and domain.tld |
| 04:47.46 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't get wildcard/arbitrary san certs for free |
| 04:48.22 | tehdely | wow, a free SSL vendor that's actually trusted by most browsers? |
| 04:48.24 | tehdely | how did this come to be |
| 04:48.40 | itsnotabigtruck | btw Necrosporus: might the fact that the N9 doesn't have GLONASS pose a problem for importing it? |
| 04:48.52 | tehdely | are there even that many phones in russia that use GLONASS |
| 04:48.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i think russia put a tariff on non-GLONASS-aware gps devices to try and force everyone to support it |
| 04:49.22 | itsnotabigtruck | which seems to have worked, it's becoming a standard feature |
| 04:49.41 | itsnotabigtruck | dual-mode gps/glonass, that is |
| 04:50.03 | tehdely | i'm just going to have to assume that china is cooking up something similar |
| 04:50.28 | Necrosporus | I doubt that's true |
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| 04:51.21 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: well, GLONASS was cooked up a long time ago - iirc it was a soviet project in the 80s |
| 04:51.38 | itsnotabigtruck | the yeltsin era kinda put the kibosh on that however |
| 04:51.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i think china might have its own system though |
| 04:52.02 | itsnotabigtruck | and the EU tried to launch one too but it's taken off like a tonne of bricks |
| 04:52.17 | itsnotabigtruck | last i checked they have 1 satellite up, and you need a lot more than that to be able to locate anything |
| 04:52.48 | tehdely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beidou_navigation_system |
| 04:52.50 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently galileo (eu) went from 1 to 2 satellites :p |
| 04:53.08 | tehdely | Beidou is probably 100% lead and melamine |
| 04:53.32 | SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: you can do location with one moving satellite |
| 04:55.17 | itsnotabigtruck | really? |
| 04:55.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i can't imagine the other systems use dozens of satellites just for the lulz |
| 04:56.45 | SpeedEvil | It's not fast. |
| 04:56.59 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_%28satellite%29 |
| 04:58.16 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 04:59.18 | franz` | /usr/share/file/magic.mgc <- what the hell is this |
| 04:59.31 | franz` | oh, file |
| 04:59.33 | franz` | nvm |
| 05:00.57 | itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely: in case you didn't see it before, any chance you could register a qa approval on http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ |
| 05:01.08 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm at 1 out of 6 right now |
| 05:03.18 | tehdely | sure |
| 05:03.20 | tehdely | i'm off to bed though |
| 05:03.22 | tehdely | but you have my Word |
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| 05:03.40 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: oh ok |
| 05:03.41 | itsnotabigtruck | thanks |
| 05:07.24 | itsnotabigtruck | rZr: ping |
| 05:09.37 | itsnotabigtruck | i was just looking at your app again...is there some reason why you're making redak setuid root |
| 05:09.47 | itsnotabigtruck | (which doesn't seem to do anything with aegis active anyway) |
| 05:17.58 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm |
| 05:18.09 | itsnotabigtruck | how do you build a .deb from a qt creator project from the command line |
| 05:18.23 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm guessing just qmake; make isn't good enough |
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| 05:59.17 | itsnotabigtruck | this isn't good |
| 05:59.37 | itsnotabigtruck | enabling NAT in the kernel enables CONFIG_NF_NAT_NEEDED |
| 05:59.49 | itsnotabigtruck | CONFIG_NF_NAT_NEEDED modifies an inline function nf_nat_decode_session |
| 06:00.01 | itsnotabigtruck | which is used from xfrm_policy.c, which is compiled statically into the kernel |
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| 06:00.31 | itsnotabigtruck | if ipsec isn't used it's probably not a problem |
| 06:00.40 | itsnotabigtruck | but nat + ipsec at the same time would probably be borked |
| 06:13.49 | beford | pwnt |
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| 06:37.25 | itsnotabigtruck | whoa |
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| 07:35.53 | Khertan | Morning, someone know how i can refresh the content of a qml folder model ? as when content of a folder is updated the model is't |
| 07:35.59 | Khertan | is not |
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| 07:38.31 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 07:38.32 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 07:46.52 | rigo | Khertan, unfortunately, I can't |
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| 07:51.16 | djszapi | did we get the Lumia 800 as a gift or as a loan ? |
| 07:51.24 | djszapi | iow, can I sell it ? |
| 07:52.01 | Khertan | read contract :) |
| 07:52.19 | djszapi | that is what I would like to avoid... |
| 07:56.39 | djszapi | Device: Nokia Lumia 800 Developer gift -> It really seems sellable then. |
| 07:56.54 | rigo | djszapi, the distinction you ask normally doesn't require to read the clauses about having your children and grand-children obliged to buy a pound of coffee per month |
| 07:57.22 | rigo | djszapi, why don't you try to get harmattan on it :-P |
| 07:57.46 | djszapi | who cares about Harmattan. |
| 07:57.50 | djszapi | does not. |
| 07:58.13 | rigo | some kind of linux I mean... |
| 07:58.25 | djszapi | no, thanks. |
| 07:58.41 | rigo | uh oh... |
| 07:58.49 | djszapi | I already have /many/ devices with Linux on it. |
| 07:59.02 | djszapi | anyway, this is clearly a hijack for the question :) |
| 07:59.12 | rigo | :) Sorry |
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| 08:04.13 | psycho_oreos | even if for example you can get linux running on lumia, you still got to put up with that ugly microsoft logo/button |
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| 08:36.56 | flux | psycho_oreos, nothing a little bit drmeling won't fix! |
| 08:43.23 | Termana | djszapi, gift |
| 08:43.25 | Termana | sell dat junk |
| 08:44.14 | djszapi | Termana: hehe, thanks. |
| 08:46.23 | djszapi | Termana: I cannot supply the "customer" with Nokia warranty, right ? |
| 08:48.26 | Termana | djszapi, hmm, I don't know - I don't have the actual click-through contract on hand, but if it came with one I don't see why not. Mine didn't show any indication it had a warranty |
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| 08:49.23 | Termana | Although I haven't looked through the booklets |
| 08:49.30 | djszapi | I had the impression it does come one, just like the N9 gifts. |
| 08:49.39 | djszapi | does not come with one* |
| 08:50.39 | Termana | djszapi, have you turned yours on? Did they preenter any details? |
| 08:50.55 | rigo | djszapi, depends, if you have warranty, it may also apply to the subsequent owner, notwithstanding that it was a gift |
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| 08:51.20 | rigo | this is complex and there are a lot of court decisions on cars via grey import etc |
| 08:51.41 | rigo | so it is not per se excluded that the thing has warranty |
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| 08:58.07 | Velmont | My email program won't open anymore. I made the mistake of putting All Email in favourites, and the N9 went on to download all my email. And now it won't open because it's probably overloaded with email. I did stop the transfer, -- so it probably only got some tens of thousands emails, -- but still, it can't be opened. |
| 08:58.14 | Velmont | So... Any way to fix? :P |
| 08:58.48 | gri | delete the email account and add it again |
| 08:58.53 | gri | this may delete the messages |
| 09:01.11 | Velmont | Hmmmm. Yes... I won't loose anything that's correct. OK then. -- Although I thought they may be stored in .cache/emailapplicationname/ or something like that (didn't find it). |
| 09:01.33 | Velmont | OK, can't think of a way that'd break something. I'll try :-) |
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| 09:04.24 | gareth__ | morning all |
| 09:04.39 | gareth__ | I'm trying to reflash my N9 by following instructions here http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/SettingUpDevelopmentEnvironmentForN9 |
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| 09:05.21 | gareth__ | problem is - although I can get the main firmware .bin file by using naviperl.pl, I can't find the EMMC file |
| 09:05.32 | gareth__ | specifically, DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.CENTRALEUROPE_EMMC_CENTRALEUROPE.bin |
| 09:05.39 | gareth__ | anyone know where I can get it? |
| 09:08.11 | gabriel9|work | who wish to code this with me tonight? |
| 09:08.43 | djszapi | gabriel9|work: how much money do you have ? |
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| 09:09.04 | gabriel9|work | it is community work :) |
| 09:09.23 | gabriel9|work | to port this on meego |
| 09:09.30 | gabriel9|work | http://projects.developer.nokia.com/surveillancecamera |
| 09:09.44 | gabriel9|work | everyone want monney today :D |
| 09:09.57 | djszapi | how strange.. |
| 09:10.26 | Termana | Cash money is a good thing if you're poor |
| 09:10.31 | gabriel9|work | well i think that is the problem |
| 09:10.38 | gabriel9|work | i worked one year for free |
| 09:10.56 | Termana | doesn't seem like community work to me |
| 09:11.02 | gabriel9|work | and it feals great, my partner oppened company |
| 09:11.13 | Termana | seems like "I really want someone to do this for me" |
| 09:11.17 | gabriel9|work | and i have great expirience |
| 09:11.29 | gabriel9|work | no no no |
| 09:11.47 | gabriel9|work | i'm new to Meego, and i wish to code it |
| 09:12.01 | gabriel9|work | but when i stuck samone can give me a push |
| 09:12.02 | phako | what the hell is that language tab in nokia store supposed to mean? does it mean which translations an application supports? |
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| 09:12.52 | Termana | Looks like someone have you a push |
| 09:12.53 | djszapi | phako: yes |
| 09:13.00 | phako | ok |
| 09:13.00 | Termana | gave* |
| 09:13.02 | phako | thanks |
| 09:13.11 | djszapi | phako: use all :) |
| 09:13.13 | djszapi | they do not check it ... |
| 09:13.26 | djszapi | my app is fully English, and all worked out. |
| 09:13.53 | phako | yeah, it kind of sounds that the distribution would be limited if you don't |
| 09:14.17 | djszapi | I do not think so |
| 09:14.22 | djszapi | it would just be marked as such |
| 09:14.29 | djszapi | so some people might lose the interest just because of this. |
| 09:14.44 | djszapi | I think the region t ab is more about that what you said. |
| 09:15.22 | gabriel9|work | heh, i will try to do it myself |
| 09:15.26 | gabriel9|work | :P |
| 09:15.29 | gabriel9|work | all fame to me! |
| 09:15.57 | djszapi | can you buy bread for fame in the shop ? :) |
| 09:16.05 | djszapi | who cares about fame :D |
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| 09:23.35 | gabriel9|work | ok i will bug you if i stuck |
| 09:24.05 | gabriel9|work | i don't want fame or monney(for now :)), just code and learn |
| 09:24.26 | djszapi | then why do you need anybody ? :) |
| 09:24.29 | djszapi | to do the work ? |
| 09:24.36 | djszapi | just go code and learn :) |
| 09:26.43 | gabriel9|work | hell i stuck and then spend valuable time searching |
| 09:26.57 | gabriel9|work | i don't have much time, job, gf and family |
| 09:26.59 | gabriel9|work | :/ |
| 09:27.11 | djszapi | why do you hurry ? That is how you learn. |
| 09:31.50 | gabriel9|work | i know, i learn all bymeslf |
| 09:32.00 | gabriel9|work | did not go to school |
| 09:32.24 | gabriel9|work | but now when i work i have so little time, it is amazing how time just passes |
| 09:33.10 | gabriel9|work | and this also is problem with me :) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfLD-7bCtME |
| 09:36.29 | djszapi | rock'n roll rocks and rolls :) |
| 09:37.11 | gabriel9|work | yes, and i want it all :D |
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| 09:44.58 | gareth__ | hmm, the EMMC image shows up in Navifirm+, but I see no record of it in the SOAP envelope received by naviperl |
| 09:45.16 | gareth__ | reluctantly installs wine to see if navifirm+ will run on Linux |
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| 09:55.55 | xmlich02 | Hi guys, we are making an conference about mobile devices. Look on call for papers http://www.openmobility.eu/en/ . |
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| 09:57.34 | xmlich02 | There is also an contest to create an Qt application (1st price is nokia n9 and maybe some n950). The rules of contest says, the application should be made only for this contest, should be submited to ovi store. |
| 09:58.41 | djszapi | xmlich02: can the speakers count with financial support for the traveling ? |
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| 10:01.31 | xmlich02 | i think we are not able to cover all expanses, but i guess we can cover part of it |
| 10:04.25 | gareth__ | grr, navifirm+ 1.7 doesn't run on Linux, gives some obscure .NET error message |
| 10:09.42 | gabriel9|work | xmlich02: too far for me :( |
| 10:09.59 | gabriel9|work | damn one more N950 out of reach :/ |
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| 10:18.36 | djszapi | xmlich02: how will the apps be assessed ? |
| 10:18.48 | djszapi | and only one N9 ? |
| 10:30.11 | gareth__ | found a solution for downloading N9 firmware on Linux: http://code.google.com/p/navifirmex/ |
| 10:30.28 | gareth__ | works like NaviFirm+, but written in C++ rather than .NET, so works under Wine |
| 10:32.10 | xmlich02 | there will be 3-5 judges (some from openmobility, some from czech nokia, I guess). Depending on number of contestant 1x N9 and (more then 30 contestants) 2xN950. |
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| 10:33.11 | djszapi | will they be gifts, aka. can we sell them ? |
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| 10:45.58 | xmlich02 | I do not know whether will be possible to sell them. I suppose it will be gift, but i have to ask. |
| 10:46.40 | djszapi | can you please clarify that bit ? |
| 10:46.53 | djszapi | iow, please go ahead ask and let me know the reply :) |
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| 10:57.07 | gabriel9|work | djszapi: you will sell N950 ? |
| 10:57.55 | djszapi | gabriel9|work: of course, if it is a gift. |
| 10:58.04 | gabriel9|work | how much? |
| 10:58.09 | gabriel9|work | :) |
| 10:58.23 | gabriel9|work | and remember i am your friend :D |
| 10:58.25 | djszapi | we will discuss it, if I have one N950 gift... |
| 10:58.55 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 10:59.38 | gabriel9|work | he will create auction for sure :P |
| 10:59.47 | gabriel9|work | and maybe fight to the death for it |
| 11:00.18 | psycho_oreos | and he'll film it.. and he'll youtube it so every other devs can and will laugh at the users who fight over a single N950 |
| 11:00.56 | djszapi | err..guys...do not be shaKespeare :) |
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| 11:02.01 | gabriel9|work | and nokia will watch it and still will not give new n9x |
| 11:03.22 | gabriel9|work | can we use guns, i can get AK47 XD |
| 11:03.40 | psycho_oreos | they'll reflash it with mango and lock the bootloader, gives it to the `gifted' developers and gives us the finger when it comes to showing alternative platforms with respect |
| 11:04.12 | psycho_oreos | history will repeat itself again |
| 11:04.18 | gabriel9|work | damn true |
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| 11:25.34 | xmlich02 | djszapi, jreznik is organizing this contest. As he told me, the n950 will be gift, so you can eventually sell it |
| 11:26.07 | djszapi | cool :) |
| 11:26.24 | djszapi | ... and what is the assessment base ? |
| 11:26.59 | jreznik | djszapi: ? |
| 11:27.46 | djszapi | how will the decision be made who get such gadgets ? |
| 11:27.50 | jreznik | I'll try to prepare English version today |
| 11:28.38 | jreznik | djszapi: as xmlich02 already said - there will be some kind of jury (expect xmlich02, me, our nokia contact) |
| 11:29.14 | djszapi | ok, but how do you guys decide ? |
| 11:29.26 | djszapi | downloads in ovi, reviews, usability, or ? |
| 11:30.04 | djszapi | how difficult it was to be made, etc |
| 11:30.30 | djszapi | please can we keep the code under our name, or shall we need to subsidize it to Nokia etc |
| 11:30.33 | djszapi | plus* |
| 11:31.17 | djszapi | though, we can probably keep oru licensing, I hope. |
| 11:31.20 | djszapi | our* |
| 11:31.57 | xmlich02 | i forgot to mention all rules probably. It has to be gpl licenced |
| 11:32.58 | xmlich02 | The decision will be made according to experience, personal preferences, etc. of judges. We will compare the application. You have to create basically the best of these applications. |
| 11:33.26 | djszapi | so ovi reviews and downloads do not matter ? |
| 11:34.02 | xmlich02 | nope. |
| 11:34.11 | djszapi | cool |
| 11:34.26 | djszapi | is there a time frame when I need to create my content ? |
| 11:34.33 | djszapi | or can it be "premade" before the stuff ? |
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| 11:34.57 | jreznik | djszapi: it's already written in czech version - it has to be open source, it's your code, and I will say idea + good implementation matters |
| 11:35.16 | xmlich02 | 13.3 to 13.4.2012 |
| 11:35.36 | djszapi | so from today on |
| 11:35.40 | xmlich02 | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.openmobility.eu%2Fkonference%2Fom2012%2Fsoutez%2F |
| 11:35.42 | jreznik | djszapi: I prefer no premade to have a same starting point but one of the topics are for example ports - so if you port another kde app + harmattan ui... |
| 11:36.10 | xmlich02 | manually translated version will be available today |
| 11:36.18 | djszapi | yes, only kde + harmattan ui I can think of based on my biasment :p |
| 11:38.07 | jreznik | I tried to let it more open, if you have any idea... |
| 11:38.41 | jreznik | first openmobility conference itself is a good reason to come, great people, geeks and my friends, also cheap beer :) |
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| 11:42.07 | djszapiN9 | any next billion devices for the contents ? |
| 11:42.11 | djszapiN9 | :) |
| 11:43.39 | jreznik | djszapiN9: nope but I hope for another round with next thousands devices :) |
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| 11:48.29 | djszapi | jreznik: hehe :) |
| 11:52.55 | Sazpaimon__ | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at talk.maemo.org. |
| 11:53.11 | Sazpaimon__ | somehow the internet feels... a little better |
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| 12:13.25 | ArkanoiD_ | today "smartsearch" is the winner of the contest "who is draining battery" |
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| 12:23.32 | aquarius | If I'm planning to write an app which is basically a webpage, but requires a couple of little privileged things (so I can't just make it a webpage, but instead plan to make the app a WebKit widget into which I inject a couple of extra APIs), is there any benefit to me having the webkit widget created in QML? So my "back end" is python, which creates a window and loads QML into it, and the QML then creates a webkit |
| 12:23.32 | aquarius | widget and loads my app's HTML into it |
| 12:23.50 | aquarius | or should I just create a webkit widget direct from python and not use any QML because there's no point? |
| 12:24.06 | aquarius | (I'd happily just do all the work in QML if QML could read and write files, which it can't :( ) |
| 12:24.26 | aquarius | (is this a #harmattan question or some sort of #nokia-qt-channel question?) |
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| 12:33.29 | pawky | I believe fake apps being web pages is a bad implementation... |
| 12:33.50 | pawky | but then again... thats my oppinion.. |
| 12:33.59 | aquarius | We shall have to agree to disagree on that point, then :-) |
| 12:34.19 | pawky | why not write a reall app? |
| 12:35.55 | aquarius | because I'm not good at C++, and I would like this app to share as much code between platforms as possible. So writing the bulk of it in HTML and JavaScript and then just providing extra APIs to that JavaScript, which Qt knows how to do, means I share a lot of code across differnet platform builds. |
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| 12:59.24 | gabriel9|work | damn that web page aps |
| 12:59.39 | gabriel9|work | app * |
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| 13:16.28 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: looks like search on COBS is broken |
| 13:16.43 | djszapi | M4rtinK: known issue |
| 13:16.47 | djszapi | and not c-obs issue |
| 13:16.50 | M4rtinK | ok :) |
| 13:17.07 | M4rtinK | but I think it worked previously |
| 13:17.15 | djszapi | yes, of course. |
| 13:22.21 | itsnotabigtruck | gareth__: there's two different nokia update servers, one of them has things like emmc updates, the other does not |
| 13:22.42 | itsnotabigtruck | in theory, main images are for end users (via nsu) and emmc images are for repair shops only (for "refurbishing" units) |
| 13:22.46 | rigo | aquarius, this is the basic idea behind http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Main_Page |
| 13:23.12 | aquarius | rigo, absolutely, and that's what I'm doing. |
| 13:23.19 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: yes, I noticed that in NaviFirmEx |
| 13:23.34 | rigo | great! :) |
| 13:23.38 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: so maybe the problem with the perl script is that it's pointing at the customer site, rather than the repair one |
| 13:23.46 | itsnotabigtruck | just slept too late again :/ i need to unscrew my sleep cycle |
| 13:23.53 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: AFAICS the important URL in that script is https://www.dsut.online.nokia.com/oti/CareSuite |
| 13:24.11 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: me too :p |
| 13:24.12 | itsnotabigtruck | gareth__: iirc that's a namespace, not the soap url |
| 13:24.15 | aquarius | However, the N9 browser doesn't, yet, quite support all the browser APIs I'd like. It will do in time, but for the moment it's not quite there -- requestFileSystem, for example, is not yet implemented. So, I'm happy to patch those APIs in from the outside, and have the thing containing my webkit widget provide that API |
| 13:24.18 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: we could help each other with good practices :p |
| 13:24.19 | aquarius | rigo, ^ |
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| 13:24.40 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: ah, the namespace is http://www.posti-care_suite.posti.nokia.com/POSTI_CareSuite_Interface.wsdl |
| 13:24.45 | itsnotabigtruck | oh right |
| 13:24.53 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: (full script: https://gist.github.com/1636192/) |
| 13:25.03 | aquarius | rigo, but... I'm not sure how best to do that; should I have a python harmattan app which creates a window and loads QML into it, and the QML creates a webkit widget... or just have the python create a webkit widget itself and not use QML at all? |
| 13:25.24 | itsnotabigtruck | https://www.caresuite.nokia.com/caresuite/get_params.do?application_id=2 |
| 13:25.27 | itsnotabigtruck | https://www.caresuite.nokia.com/caresuite/CareSuite?WSDL |
| 13:25.29 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ it's those |
| 13:25.36 | itsnotabigtruck | i asked admiral0 to add them to naviperl but he had trouble |
| 13:25.48 | itsnotabigtruck | so maybe better off to use navifirmex until he figures out a way |
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| 13:25.56 | itsnotabigtruck | also is tmo down for anyone else? |
| 13:26.14 | rigo | aquarius, first of all, I would -as far as is possible- not write browser dependend code |
| 13:26.30 | rigo | because this way, you're sawing the branch you're sitting on :) |
| 13:26.49 | aquarius | rigo, and I do not intend to; the code I've already written works fine in any browser supporting the necessary APIs. |
| 13:27.02 | rigo | because the dominant browser will just turn into a proprietary dev environment |
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| 13:28.29 | rigo | but unfortunately, I can't answer your question about whether to use qt directly or go via webkit. Both have decent HTTP implementations AFAIK |
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| 13:28.54 | rigo | best would be to ask Art Barstow |
| 13:29.03 | itsnotabigtruck | aquarius: the qt app will feel so much more native |
| 13:29.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and not like some web runtime junk off symbian or something |
| 13:29.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also supposedly my n9 usb lids should be shipping soon |
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| 13:31.39 | aquarius | I happily use web apps for most of what I'm doing on the n9 anyway; mobile twitter website and so on. So I'm not crushingly worried by feeling native, here, I don't think. |
| 13:35.52 | itsnotabigtruck | aquarius: twitter...but the n9 ships with a native client... |
| 13:36.08 | aquarius | itsnotabigtruck, it does indeed. I don't like it, though. :) |
| 13:36.13 | itsnotabigtruck | as a matter of fact i should add my account to it |
| 13:36.51 | aquarius | (and I use web stuff for other things, too: google reader and google plus, reddit, todo lists -- this isn't a weakness of N9, it's one of the best things about it) |
| 13:39.06 | gareth__ | does anyone know where the maemo6 qmake scope gets defined? |
| 13:39.21 | gareth__ | it's not done by the linux-g++-maemo mkspec, and it is not hard-coded (like win32, unix, symbian) in qmake |
| 13:40.43 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: OK, thanks - I don't really know SOAP, otherwise I'd try adding those myself |
| 13:41.03 | gareth__ | itsnotabigtruck: anyway, NaviFirmEx works for me - but a CLI would be nice |
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| 13:50.20 | qronic | hm, sony xperia solo will feature 1 GHz STE U8500 dual-core processor |
| 13:50.38 | qronic | is this a first STE smartphone? |
| 13:50.57 | qronic | very long way for u8500 |
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| 13:54.49 | itsnotabigtruck | qronic: it looks nice...but continues the trend of compact = low end |
| 13:54.51 | itsnotabigtruck | argh, make it stop! |
| 13:55.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like they keep putting the latest hardware in bloody gigantic chassis just because that's the trend |
| 13:55.17 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a trend that produces unusable phones |
| 13:55.34 | qronic | I second that |
| 13:55.42 | qronic | especially samsung is going crazy |
| 13:56.19 | Sazpaimon__ | I hate websites that embed the entire page into an iframe |
| 13:56.26 | qronic | what about U8500, I guess it would be not a very wise choice for those who like cyanogen and all other unofficial hacks |
| 13:56.34 | Sazpaimon__ | or worse, a frameset |
| 13:57.07 | itsnotabigtruck | qronic: i don't know much about it...is it not so great? specwise it doesn't sound bad at all |
| 13:57.13 | itsnotabigtruck | certainly better than what's in the N9 :p |
| 13:57.29 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon__: sites still do that? |
| 13:57.36 | itsnotabigtruck | that's very early 2000s |
| 13:57.41 | qronic | dunno, but they are rare - less developers, less images from orger phones, etc |
| 13:57.57 | qronic | s/orger/other/ |
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| 14:03.06 | Sazpaimon__ | itsnotabigtruck, my online banking site does that |
| 14:03.40 | Sazpaimon__ | and I have some software I wrote that uses iframes to simulate a frameset, so its XHTML and HTML5 compliant |
| 14:04.28 | Sazpaimon | to be fair though, my software emulates a popular japanese BBS script |
| 14:05.14 | Sazpaimon | and apparently the japanese, and to a lesser extent chinese, seem to stay in the dark ages when it comes to web and software design |
| 14:06.10 | Sazpaimon | ive run into a lot of software that still gets compressed using lzh |
| 14:06.23 | Sazpaimon | instead of more common formats like zip, rar or tgz |
| 14:07.03 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 14:07.39 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i'm not sure what the situation is with japan and computing/software...it seems like one would expect them to be way ahead of the curve |
| 14:08.09 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe it's the language barrier (programming is very english-centric) and the difficulty of CJK text input in general |
| 14:08.26 | Sazpaimon | unicode has pretty much solved that |
| 14:09.17 | Sazpaimon | in fact theyve gotten so far into it that the only proposals I see nowadays are for pictographs used in proprietart CJK fontsets |
| 14:09.26 | Sazpaimon | you know, like PILE OF POO |
| 14:09.35 | Sazpaimon | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm |
| 14:10.04 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 14:10.14 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: unicode doesn't solve either of those problems |
| 14:10.23 | itsnotabigtruck | it solves CJK text /representation/ |
| 14:10.47 | itsnotabigtruck | not input, and it certainly can't erase away that all programming languages use the latin character set, english keywords, and have a litany of usually english-only docs |
| 14:10.49 | Sazpaimon | yeah i wasnt reading when you said text input |
| 14:11.13 | Sazpaimon | but there's always brainfuck |
| 14:11.14 | itsnotabigtruck | you can use non-english identifiers and comments but that's also usually considered bad form, so yeah |
| 14:11.17 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 14:11.18 | Sazpaimon | that doesn't use latin |
| 14:11.22 | Sazpaimon | hell, it doesnt even use words |
| 14:12.25 | Sazpaimon | but there really should be a language called "programmer's english" |
| 14:12.27 | djszapi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJtjWSo0pXU |
| 14:12.30 | Sazpaimon | like "buisiness english" |
| 14:12.54 | Sazpaimon | one that mainly consists of common phrases and terms used in programming discussion and languages |
| 14:13.07 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, maybe |
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| 14:13.26 | Sazpaimon | one that documentation should conform to |
| 14:13.42 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds doomed, you can't just subset a language like that |
| 14:14.00 | Sazpaimon | they did it for buisiness english |
| 14:14.03 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'd rather describe things in documentation when i want with the terms i want |
| 14:14.41 | Sazpaimon | you can get a degree in business english too |
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| 14:14.42 | itsnotabigtruck | erm, no, "business english" is just referring to courses introducing english slanted toward business, or that sort of thing |
| 14:14.45 | itsnotabigtruck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_English |
| 14:14.45 | Sazpaimon | its a real language |
| 14:15.03 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not a language |
| 14:15.30 | Sazpaimon | when I learned buisiness english it was basically taught as a subset of english, really |
| 14:17.19 | itsnotabigtruck | in any case, people learning english and not going all the way probably only increases communication barriers |
| 14:17.50 | Sazpaimon | it certainly doesnt make troubleshooting easy |
| 14:17.56 | Sazpaimon | just look at half the threads on TMO |
| 14:18.15 | djszapi | business english or not ... you might not wanna miss the Plasma Active video above :) |
| 14:18.22 | itsnotabigtruck | that's...some of the people you see posting online with improper english, i think that goes beyond just limited english skills :/ |
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| 14:20.28 | Sazpaimon | djszapi, the resolution on that looks horrible |
| 14:20.37 | Sazpaimon | everything is huge |
| 14:20.46 | Sazpaimon | is that resolution or DPI issue |
| 14:20.48 | gabriel9|work | nice video |
| 14:20.57 | gabriel9|work | i will wait for 10" version |
| 14:21.04 | gabriel9|work | will it have more RAM? |
| 14:21.30 | Sazpaimon | this looks more like a one-off device to test the market |
| 14:21.38 | Sazpaimon | which will more than likely not respond :/ |
| 14:22.14 | Sazpaimon | i really dont like that resolution though |
| 14:22.21 | itsnotabigtruck | tablet needs better fonts |
| 14:22.26 | itsnotabigtruck | other than that, looks cool |
| 14:22.29 | itsnotabigtruck | ot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIP73xIAPLU |
| 14:22.31 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
| 14:23.00 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, did you look into the updated compat-wireless? |
| 14:23.03 | Sazpaimon | i kinda passed out |
| 14:23.27 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: well, pretty much all the patches are for stuff compiled into the kernel :/ |
| 14:23.59 | itsnotabigtruck | so upgrading the driver, it might work for open mode or inception+kexec, but not just slotting some modules in |
| 14:24.08 | gabriel9|work | you can always use konsole on tablet all is OK |
| 14:24.08 | Sazpaimon | also that video doesnt have enough silly running animation |
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| 14:29.42 | rigo | djszapi, nice video, but clashes with the X-Windows paradigms. Especially as if you switch Activities, it kills the applications that you started remotely without being able to restart them |
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| 14:33.41 | djszapi | rigo: do not compalin to me |
| 14:33.46 | djszapi | complain* |
| 14:33.51 | djszapi | I am not a platform developer at all |
| 14:34.04 | rigo | I've given up on those :) |
| 14:34.06 | djszapi | they have dedicated medium for that :) |
| 14:34.21 | rigo | yes, /dev/null |
| 14:34.43 | djszapi | but let us feed you with more: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqXXe89Y9h0 |
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| 14:41.41 | gabriel9|work | that one i watched |
| 14:41.51 | djszapi | X-Fade ping |
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| 15:01.38 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, apparently DFL (in DFL61) = Device Family Linux |
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| 15:15.23 | gabriel9|work | oh, today i need to code for Android :/ |
| 15:15.34 | gabriel9|work | any good read about it? |
| 15:15.50 | gabriel9|work | last time i coded was 2 years ago |
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| 15:18.37 | djszapiN9 | depends on what you need to code, i guess. |
| 15:18.58 | djszapiN9 | and how much knowledge you have. |
| 15:21.16 | lardman | You can code in Qt for Android |
| 15:24.37 | Anssi138 | that might need mighty debugging skills |
| 15:25.29 | Anssi138 | or how good the port is? wondering just is the mobility working etc. |
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| 15:25.58 | lardman | http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/home/necessitas/ iirc |
| 15:27.23 | djszapiN9 | Anssi138, quite good |
| 15:27.27 | Anssi138 | only 55 tickets. that's not a lot |
| 15:27.38 | djszapiN9 | even kde runs to a certain extent |
| 15:28.02 | djszapiN9 | and full opengl etc |
| 15:28.25 | djszapiN9 | it was alrready pretty qmazing last year. |
| 15:29.14 | Anssi138 | i think it might suffer devices' fragmentation |
| 15:29.20 | Anssi138 | http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/tickets/136/ |
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| 15:36.26 | Anssi138 | hopefully playbook's qt gets in good shape too. It might be fun toy then, the qnx is nice and low level and all but little rude for stock app development. |
| 15:38.11 | Anssi138 | i just ordered one :) |
| 15:39.55 | gabriel9|work | well i need basic stuff |
| 15:40.15 | gabriel9|work | i know java and i remember some nigtmare with xml files in droids :D |
| 15:40.45 | gabriel9|work | 3 page app with questions, every corect answer open new page |
| 15:41.09 | gabriel9|work | also when i learn good qt i will code android apps in qt |
| 15:44.11 | jreznik | gabriel9|work: switch from nightmare xml files to qml (could be nightmare too sometimes :) |
| 15:44.49 | gabriel9|work | i don't like xml :) |
| 15:47.49 | Anssi138 | who would |
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| 15:56.04 | gabriel9|work | see ya, finally home eat and play games(just alittle) |
| 15:57.25 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, not much takeup on aegisctl so far |
| 15:57.45 | itsnotabigtruck | btw Anssi138: make sure to incept your phone (if that's your thing) |
| 15:58.17 | itsnotabigtruck | then get aegisctl, which lets you relax aegis on the fly |
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| 16:46.03 | Sazpaimon_ | its official, I am in way too many freenode cannels |
| 16:46.06 | Sazpaimon_ | *channels |
| 16:46.33 | Sazpaimon_ | its taken up my entire tab screen on a 1080p resolution |
| 16:50.51 | MohammadAG | muhaha |
| 16:50.55 | MohammadAG | cheap fixes are awesome |
| 16:51.11 | MohammadAG | 1080p isn't much, get an iPad |
| 16:51.19 | MohammadAG | no, not the first one, the new one |
| 16:51.28 | MohammadAG | Apple seriously fucked up the naming scheme |
| 16:53.45 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: well, i guess apple doesn't really want its products to be seen as distinct iterations |
| 16:53.50 | itsnotabigtruck | but instead some sort of continutiy |
| 16:54.44 | franz` | they've done it for years with macs and ipods. if anything the iphone/ipad are the odd ones out |
| 16:54.59 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: the iphone specifically, yeah, it's strange |
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| 16:56.50 | MohammadAG | iPhones have been following some sort of naming scheme |
| 16:57.00 | MohammadAG | 2 3 3S, 4, 4S |
| 16:57.51 | MohammadAG | ok, so commenting no longer crashes |
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| 16:58.06 | franz` | that's unnecessary. remember when the techpress was disappointed the new iphone was a 4s instead of a 5? |
| 16:58.08 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure why a QGraphicsWidget in another MWidget based class crashes an app when deleted |
| 16:58.21 | MohammadAG | but a subclass of MWidget inside an MWidget based class doesn't |
| 16:58.33 | MohammadAG | the 4S was a minor upgrade |
| 16:58.47 | MohammadAG | except CPU wise, the thing beats the 4 by miles at launching apps |
| 17:02.05 | franz` | yea. so I hope the next iphone is just "the new iphone" to get rid of major/minor upgrade expectations |
| 17:03.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'd rather forget the iphone :p it's a neat piece of hardware, but it defines mainstream |
| 17:03.27 | itsnotabigtruck | you can fairly reliably stereotype people based on their use of an iphone |
| 17:03.37 | itsnotabigtruck | it's become a cultural symbol, and not a good one |
| 17:05.06 | MohammadAG | <itsnotabigtruck> you can fairly reliably stereotype people based on their use of an iphone <-- so true |
| 17:05.20 | MohammadAG | I'm saying this cause I got an iPhone in October |
| 17:05.32 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 17:05.34 | MohammadAG | December actually |
| 17:05.40 | beford | traitor |
| 17:05.42 | MohammadAG | 12.12.12, it was a coincidence really |
| 17:05.51 | franz` | lol |
| 17:05.56 | itsnotabigtruck | at 12:12 UTC |
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| 17:06.06 | MohammadAG | might be true itsnotabigtruck, it was 2PM here |
| 17:06.11 | franz` | GMT+12 |
| 17:06.18 | MohammadAG | I just noticed the date when I signed the paper |
| 17:06.22 | beford | 12 12 11 you mean |
| 17:06.33 | MohammadAG | oh, then it was 11.11.11 |
| 17:06.49 | MohammadAG | yeah, it was a friday ^ |
| 17:06.54 | itsnotabigtruck | wants MohammadAG's time machine |
| 17:06.55 | itsnotabigtruck | :p |
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| 17:07.33 | MohammadAG | <beford> traitor < I still prefer the N950 in many ways, and develop for it |
| 17:07.42 | beford | 12/12 is my birthday. this year its going to be legendary 12/12/12 |
| 17:07.43 | MohammadAG | (though I develop for the iPhone in secret) |
| 17:07.45 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm doing a modules build of the kernel right now, to add a whole bunch of netfilter/iptables stuff, ipsec stuff, and more crypto algorithms |
| 17:08.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i couldn't find much else of interest that could be added as a module |
| 17:08.23 | itsnotabigtruck | no NAT, because enabling NAT affects a function that's inlined into the static part of the kernel :/ |
| 17:08.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think it would be a problem unless ipsec and nat were used at the same time |
| 17:08.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it might be possible to do some uber hacking and mitigate that though |
| 17:09.30 | MohammadAG | Sociality got stable commenting now, woo |
| 17:09.48 | franz` | compile a busybox with wget while you're at it itsnotabigtruck |
| 17:09.54 | beford | I have an iPad but I don't develop for it. I barely develop for the n9 xD |
| 17:09.56 | franz` | wish the harmattan one had it |
| 17:10.05 | MohammadAG | beford, I have an iPad (2) too |
| 17:10.13 | MohammadAG | got it as a gift |
| 17:10.15 | beford | mine was free |
| 17:10.16 | beford | damn |
| 17:10.17 | beford | xD |
| 17:11.47 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 17:11.58 | MohammadAG | beford, is it white? |
| 17:12.12 | beford | black. everybody knows black runs faster |
| 17:12.15 | beford | xD |
| 17:12.19 | tehdely | wish i had gotten a black N9 |
| 17:12.20 | MohammadAG | damn, you win there |
| 17:12.23 | tehdely | case would be a little less fragile |
| 17:12.25 | tehdely | but i went for beauty |
| 17:12.31 | tehdely | and now it's got a nice chunk taken out of it by the headphone jack |
| 17:12.38 | franz` | I wish they made cyan 64gb N9s :( |
| 17:12.52 | MohammadAG | I thought the black one has a matte paint that wares off |
| 17:12.54 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: can't you just install the wget package |
| 17:12.55 | MohammadAG | wears* |
| 17:12.56 | itsnotabigtruck | apt-get install wget |
| 17:13.03 | tehdely | MohammadAG: the black one is polycarbonate through and through |
| 17:13.04 | itsnotabigtruck | supplied by nokia and everything |
| 17:13.04 | franz` | I can |
| 17:13.07 | tehdely | the white one has this lacquered finish |
| 17:13.17 | tehdely | it is beautiful though, lemme tell you |
| 17:13.20 | tehdely | it is an eye-catching phone |
| 17:13.23 | MohammadAG | tehdely, yes, but it has a matte paint on it |
| 17:13.28 | MohammadAG | after wearing off it gets glossy |
| 17:13.41 | MohammadAG | sorta like PlayStation DualShocks |
| 17:13.42 | tehdely | MohammadAG: really? i thought it was a solid block of the same material |
| 17:13.56 | MohammadAG | tehdely, sec |
| 17:14.04 | MohammadAG | tehdely, I don't have an N9 fyi |
| 17:14.49 | tehdely | i'm pretty sure you're wrong about the coating then |
| 17:14.59 | tehdely | black, cyan, magenta = the case is a solid block fo polycarbonate |
| 17:15.07 | tehdely | white = polycarbonate with a hard lacquer finish |
| 17:15.12 | tehdely | which breaks easily :( |
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| 17:15.23 | beford | there was a picture on tmo comparing a new lumia with an older n9 |
| 17:15.53 | tehdely | i think it's why the white one ships with a leather case |
| 17:16.06 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: so...why not? |
| 17:16.08 | tehdely | my concern is doing somethign that fucks up the phone, going to replace it, and there not being another n9 to buy |
| 17:16.38 | MohammadAG | tehdely, no |
| 17:16.50 | tehdely | is nokia still mfgring it? |
| 17:16.56 | franz` | I have it, just would like it built into wget, dunno why |
| 17:17.13 | franz` | tehdely: buy a replacement housing, store it in case of emergencies |
| 17:17.25 | MohammadAG | tehdely, http://i.imgur.com/oBJBT.jpg |
| 17:17.49 | tehdely | interestin |
| 17:18.02 | tehdely | franz`: lemme guess, cnn.cn will have one? :> |
| 17:18.20 | MohammadAG | I guess they didn't notice it finland, people probably don't know what sweat is there |
| 17:18.35 | MohammadAG | though hand oils should be present, even at -40 |
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| 17:18.47 | MohammadAG | in finland* |
| 17:19.03 | nid0 | fwiw, i've had my n9 for months and it still looks as good as that lumia on the right |
| 17:19.06 | itsnotabigtruck | any idea why the basename command might not do what one expects |
| 17:19.09 | itsnotabigtruck | when being run from find -exec |
| 17:19.10 | nid0 | not in a case* |
| 17:19.18 | itsnotabigtruck | basename seems to be returning its argument |
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| 18:20.52 | gabriel9 | hm, this is really nice tool https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aide.ui |
| 18:21.03 | gabriel9 | i just tried it and it works :/ |
| 18:21.25 | gabriel9 | also fast compile |
| 18:21.27 | RzR | lol |
| 18:21.54 | gabriel9 | and yes i know that this is Harmattan chanell :) |
| 18:22.29 | RzR | i wish it also bring the ndk |
| 18:22.48 | gabriel9 | well that is to much |
| 18:23.01 | gabriel9 | i would be happy if i have something like this on N9 |
| 18:23.24 | RzR | you have vi and gcc |
| 18:23.34 | RzR | and ssh |
| 18:24.24 | gabriel9 | yes i have :) but it is not IDE. Don't get me wrong i was coding in Kate for a year :) |
| 18:24.47 | RzR | then urge for emacs |
| 18:25.10 | gabriel9 | that emacs give me so much trouble |
| 18:25.12 | gabriel9 | damn |
| 18:25.41 | gabriel9 | Kate is nice for KDE, but i use Netbeans now |
| 18:26.41 | RzR | wont be soon on n9 |
| 18:27.24 | gabriel9 | i know |
| 18:27.32 | gabriel9 | and display is to small |
| 18:27.35 | RzR | gabriel9: btw if you really want to develop on device , please suggest some features for redak : http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.1/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ |
| 18:27.39 | gabriel9 | we need keyboard |
| 18:27.42 | RST38h | There is nano |
| 18:27.50 | RST38h | And it even gets installed as part of devtools |
| 18:27.52 | RzR | RST38h: there is zile too |
| 18:28.06 | RST38h | Someone inside Maemo team has heard my silent scream for nano |
| 18:28.18 | gabriel9 | redak is ok, i was planing to code something like that. But i have no knowledge |
| 18:28.49 | RzR | i had no knowlege when i started it :) |
| 18:28.50 | tehdely | i want vim :> |
| 18:28.56 | tehdely | vi is just enough to scrape by |
| 18:29.00 | gabriel9 | i want keyboard lol |
| 18:29.24 | RzR | there are some bt kb |
| 18:29.51 | gabriel9 | i was thinking to get small one and then ducktape it to my n9 |
| 18:30.08 | gabriel9 | what would my colegues tell about that i wonder |
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| 18:32.13 | gabriel9 | http://www.amazon.com/ITON-Wireless-Bluetooth-Handheld-Smartphone/dp/B0044ZM3UM |
| 18:32.29 | RzR | thats the idea i had |
| 18:33.15 | gabriel9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9lz7eQAMeI |
| 18:33.19 | gabriel9 | this works |
| 18:33.23 | gabriel9 | damntation |
| 18:33.59 | RzR | talking about that |
| 18:34.02 | RzR | beware |
| 18:34.03 | RzR | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=bt |
| 18:35.29 | gabriel9 | there must be some glitches |
| 18:35.32 | gabriel9 | but it work |
| 18:36.28 | gabriel9 | case would also protective for n9 |
| 18:37.09 | RzR | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1148366 |
| 18:37.27 | RzR | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4828 |
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| 19:00.59 | itsnotabigtruck | nid0: apparently the case friction is precisely what wears it down, however |
| 19:03.10 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Samsung Makes the New iPad's Screen Because No One Else Could |
| 19:03.18 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 19:03.44 | itsnotabigtruck | what's the earliest point in the boot process where one could inject something |
| 19:03.59 | itsnotabigtruck | without pathcing aegis-protected files |
| 19:04.05 | itsnotabigtruck | (i.e. no patching /sbin/preinit) |
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| 19:06.09 | itsnotabigtruck | ideally i want to run before any of the system init scripts |
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| 19:07.52 | itsnotabigtruck | also RzR: still around? i was wondering last night why your postinst script for redak makes it setuid root |
| 19:08.03 | itsnotabigtruck | (which afaict is a no-op on harmattan anyway) |
| 19:09.00 | itsnotabigtruck | also have you published the latest redak to afm yet? |
| 19:09.01 | danielcbit | Hy Everybody. Did somebody ever experienced problem with UI apps bein called from daemons? |
| 19:09.33 | itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: you might have to make sure the ui app runs as user |
| 19:10.07 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: The app runs as user. All aegis settings are in place. |
| 19:10.30 | itsnotabigtruck | strange |
| 19:10.42 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: The main problem is vkb not showing up |
| 19:10.50 | itsnotabigtruck | danielcbit: i'm guessing you wouldn't know but: |
| 19:10.51 | itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | what's the earliest point in the boot process where one could inject something |
| 19:11.15 | itsnotabigtruck | (without patching aegis-protected files like /sbin/preinit) |
| 19:11.16 | danielcbit | But, if I run the daemon by hand with aegis exec, the UI works as expected and the vkb is shown |
| 19:11.45 | itsnotabigtruck | also are you sure this is the best design...generally it's not really a good idea to spawn GUIs from daemons |
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| 19:12.39 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: My deamon has to watch some system events and then trigger the UI. |
| 19:13.45 | itsnotabigtruck | i think there's a way to launch startup programs from the desktop environment (rather than upstart) |
| 19:13.48 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe look into that |
| 19:13.56 | itsnotabigtruck | might solve your problem too |
| 19:14.02 | danielcbit | but what is really strange is that if not executed by upstart, everything works as expected |
| 19:14.37 | danielcbit | itsnotabigtruck: Any links about that? |
| 19:16.46 | itsnotabigtruck | no, just search around because i don't remember off hand |
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| 19:48.46 | itsnotabigtruck | man, things get dead pretty quickly here :( |
| 19:49.06 | itsnotabigtruck | btw Sazpaimon: i forgot whether you're using ad-hac...if you are, any chance you could put in a QA approval on appsformeego? |
| 19:49.22 | itsnotabigtruck | it's at 1 out of 6 right now |
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| 20:00.55 | gabriel9 | RzR ping |
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| 20:19.49 | djszapi | beford: pingie |
| 20:20.11 | beford | hi |
| 20:21.55 | djszapi | beford: could you please try to build openal from master on Mac ? |
| 20:21.59 | djszapi | my friend has just pushed a fix. |
| 20:22.13 | beford | sure pm the instructions |
| 20:23.28 | djszapi | beford: http://kcat.strangesoft.net/openal.html#download |
| 20:25.02 | djszapi | beford: once it is built, you can run openal-info for testing. |
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| 20:31.40 | beford | ok installing cmake |
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| 20:32.07 | Sazpaimon | [15:48] <itsnotabigtruck> btw Sazpaimon: i forgot whether you're using ad-hac...if you are, any chance you could put in a QA approval on appsformeego? |
| 20:32.09 | Sazpaimon | im not |
| 20:32.20 | Sazpaimon | im just using the n9quicktweak setting |
| 20:38.48 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: ah...then undo that and use ad-hac instead :p |
| 20:39.17 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, was firefox on the ovi store just updated? |
| 20:39.22 | djszapi | freenode group registration suuuuucks. |
| 20:39.32 | itsnotabigtruck | just got an update notification for fx 11.0 and flash 4.0.0-73.1 |
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| 20:39.48 | bef0rd | djszapi http://paste2.org/p/1939058 |
| 20:40.01 | bef0rd | there were some warnings, want to see make output? |
| 20:40.29 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: any idea about that early execution question? |
| 20:40.55 | itsnotabigtruck | (i.e. what's the earliest place i can run a startup script that doesn't require interfering with aegis-protected files) |
| 20:41.20 | djszapi | is not interested in harmattan anymore |
| 20:41.29 | itsnotabigtruck | >_> |
| 20:43.48 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone having trouble with the addons screen in fx 11 (on ovi) not working? |
| 20:44.29 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: the advantage is that n9quicktweak uses the upstart hack, so it lets ad-hoc be turned off, then turns it on minutes later |
| 20:44.43 | itsnotabigtruck | and i think there's scenarios where it can get turned off later on its own |
| 20:45.13 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas ad-hac prevents it from being turned off in the first place |
| 20:45.34 | beford | seems to work for me itsnotabigtruck |
| 20:45.39 | beford | djszapi, give me your n950s :D |
| 20:45.40 | beford | xD |
| 20:45.46 | djszapi | beford: please make output, too. |
| 20:45.52 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: yeah, it started working again just now |
| 20:45.54 | itsnotabigtruck | strange |
| 20:46.23 | djszapi | beford: oh wait, you cloned from master, right ? |
| 20:46.27 | djszapi | not the released tarball ? |
| 20:46.33 | beford | i followed the instructions from git yea |
| 20:47.37 | djszapi | beford: also, ALSOFT_LOGLEVEL=3 ./openal-info |
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| 20:48.33 | bef0rd | djszapi http://paste2.org/p/1939072 |
| 20:48.38 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: porting openal to harmattan? cool |
| 20:48.49 | itsnotabigtruck | oh no, it's your mac |
| 20:49.03 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it was porting 1-2 years ago |
| 20:49.06 | djszapi | ported* |
| 20:49.31 | bef0rd | just testing this for djszapi |
| 20:49.35 | djszapi | by me for a 3d audio based game. |
| 20:50.03 | bef0rd | http://paste2.org/p/1939076 djszapi |
| 20:50.29 | djszapi | bef0rd: thanks. |
| 20:51.30 | beford | np |
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| 21:03.50 | itsnotabigtruck | aggggggggggggh |
| 21:03.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i do not understand xargs |
| 21:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | no matter how i invoke it, xargs seems to bunch all the input lines into one command |
| 21:04.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought it's supposed to do one invoction per input item |
| 21:06.45 | itsnotabigtruck | finally, got it |
| 21:06.57 | rigo | ? |
| 21:07.10 | rigo | isn't xargs streaming everything into a pipe? |
| 21:07.12 | itsnotabigtruck | rigo: i didn't realize that xargs doesn't do 1 input = 1 invocation by default |
| 21:07.35 | itsnotabigtruck | no, xargs takes items from stdin (whitespace or '\0' separated) and runs some command for each |
| 21:07.37 | rigo | ha, didn't know that either |
| 21:08.03 | itsnotabigtruck | but the weird thing is that it tries to batch input items together which causes weird results if you're using a command that doesn't support that kind of thing |
| 21:08.42 | rigo | hm, probably from the times where 128kbit main memory was a mainframe |
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| 21:22.20 | beford | what are you working on itsnotabigtruck |
| 21:23.10 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: additional kernel modules for pr1.2 |
| 21:23.28 | itsnotabigtruck | for things like ipsec |
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| 21:27.01 | beford | nice |
| 21:27.17 | beford | I suppose that if USB hostmode were working more modules would be useful |
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| 21:45.23 | MohammadAG | does anyone know the default font size on Harmattan? |
| 21:45.38 | MohammadAG | font.pixelSize() returns -1 |
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| 21:49.44 | itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/4Jqrr.jpg |
| 21:49.45 | itsnotabigtruck | :/ |
| 21:58.26 | beford | whats that itsnotabigtruck |
| 21:58.27 | beford | xD |
| 21:58.44 | beford | minecraft ripoff ? |
| 22:01.39 | beford | maybe we need a minecraft client for harmattan |
| 22:06.34 | kozzi | is the game that good? |
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| 22:09.16 | MohammadAG | is there a way to know if we're running on an N950 or an N9? |
| 22:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | yesa |
| 22:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | -a |
| 22:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | been told so |
| 22:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet /proc got sth for you, MohammadAG |
| 22:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/cpu? |
| 22:10.35 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: sysinfoclient |
| 22:10.39 | tehdely | if that fails |
| 22:10.42 | tehdely | try looking at the phone |
| 22:10.43 | tehdely | ducks |
| 22:10.47 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 22:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | Hardware : Nokia RM-680 board |
| 22:11.34 | MohammadAG | oh true |
| 22:11.35 | MohammadAG | /home/developer $ sysinfoclient -g /component/product-name |
| 22:11.38 | MohammadAG | any faster way? |
| 22:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^ |
| 22:11.52 | beford | readline and ask the user |
| 22:11.56 | MohammadAG | even faster? like a file existing |
| 22:11.58 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 22:11.59 | itsnotabigtruck | you mean like an API? |
| 22:12.09 | itsnotabigtruck | i think there's a libsysinfo or something |
| 22:12.19 | itsnotabigtruck | or maybe you need to poke dbus |
| 22:12.21 | MohammadAG | no, like something I can check with QFile::exists() rather than a QProcess or QFile::open() |
| 22:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?? |
| 22:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 22:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 22:12.49 | MohammadAG | I need the fastest way possible since this is in the constructor |
| 22:12.52 | tehdely | you could turn on the camera |
| 22:12.56 | tehdely | and prompt the user to stand by a mirror |
| 22:13.01 | tehdely | so the phone can take a picture of itself |
| 22:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | read /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:13.07 | beford | xDD |
| 22:13.10 | MohammadAG | then I could identify it |
| 22:13.30 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: do it once and cache it |
| 22:14.02 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, that works too |
| 22:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you don't wanna do this several times as device doesn't mutate |
| 22:14.11 | MohammadAG | where does sysinfoclient get info from? |
| 22:14.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you never know |
| 22:14.24 | MohammadAG | the N9 mutated, into a lumia |
| 22:14.45 | tehdely | only a few months after fukushima |
| 22:14.47 | tehdely | *suspicious* |
| 22:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | while your app kept running? cool shit |
| 22:15.08 | MohammadAG | tehdely, ever thought of starting a standup? you'd do well :p |
| 22:15.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, Elop does weird shit with the devices |
| 22:15.46 | tehdely | and as we know, Finns are in fact aliens |
| 22:15.50 | tehdely | so i would suspect Raelian involvement |
| 22:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | so hooker is actually compatible to HARM apps? or do you need to start them when phone is N9 still? |
| 22:16.07 | tehdely | MohammadAG: i would run out of jokes in 5 minutes and then be pelted with eggs |
| 22:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now for real - I'd guess Qt should have some notion about that detail |
| 22:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | qt.platform.type.print() |
| 22:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
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| 22:18.27 | MohammadAG | could be in QtMobility, but I stay away from that when possible |
| 22:18.35 | MohammadAG | a QProcess would be saner |
| 22:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | should be in vanilla Qt as well |
| 22:19.36 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 22:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | wild guessing, nfc |
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| 22:46.06 | itsnotabigtruck | no symbol version for module_layout < any idea what that kernel error means |
| 22:46.13 | itsnotabigtruck | (upon loading a module) |
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| 22:49.00 | beford | i bet javispedro knows |
| 22:49.20 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 22:49.29 | beford | you are probably missing an step before compiling the kernel |
| 22:50.48 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: in fact i was trying to build the modules without compiling the kernel, but with the Modules.symver file copied in |
| 22:50.52 | javispedro | yep, or your config is way too diferent |
| 22:50.53 | itsnotabigtruck | also tried doing make modules_prepare |
| 22:51.07 | itsnotabigtruck | which is afaict supposed to be exactly for that type of thing |
| 22:51.08 | beford | something is not matching. I had some errors when building a module for the n900 |
| 22:51.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm waiting for a full kernel build but i'm not confident that'll do the trick |
| 22:51.30 | beford | had to compile the whole kernel, and then something else to be able to load it |
| 22:52.50 | itsnotabigtruck | out of tree modules are super easy |
| 22:53.02 | itsnotabigtruck | as long as you have the kernel-headers package installed |
| 22:53.29 | beford | I can't remember what I was doing |
| 22:53.30 | beford | xD |
| 22:53.57 | beford | oh yea, I was trying to get my n900 detected as an USB input device/keyboard |
| 22:54.14 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, so compiling another in-tree module |
| 22:54.40 | itsnotabigtruck | well, let's see if doing make zImage/make modules with the new config is enough to make it work |
| 22:56.28 | beford | yea, I got some example module to and I was able to assign the VendorID and Device_id to get it detected but stopped there :P |
| 22:56.42 | beford | let me see if I find the docs I followed for freemantle |
| 22:56.44 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/12/nokias-rumored-10-inch-windows-8-tablet-reportedly-coming-in-q4/ |
| 22:56.46 | itsnotabigtruck | ...whyyyyyyy |
| 22:57.16 | RzR | just to tease us |
| 22:57.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and it's not even a proper nokia product, it looks like it's some ODM garbage with a nokia logo slapped on |
| 22:58.03 | itsnotabigtruck | ^^^ that, is how you destroy a brand name |
| 22:58.18 | beford | Compal Electronics yea |
| 22:58.34 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: did you see my messages earlier |
| 22:58.36 | RzR | btw i had a compal laptop and its still alive |
| 22:58.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also i think someone else wanted your attention |
| 22:58.41 | RzR | itsnotabigtruck: about redak ? |
| 22:58.52 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 22:59.05 | RzR | 06:09 < itsnotabigtruck> i was just looking at your app again...is there some reason why you're making redak setuid root |
| 22:59.08 | RzR | ok |
| 22:59.12 | RzR | thats something to fix |
| 23:00.10 | itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: any idea where the earliest point one can run a startup script on harmattan is |
| 23:00.16 | itsnotabigtruck | without modifying aegis-protected files |
| 23:00.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. hacking /sbin/preinit is out |
| 23:00.41 | javispedro | that is a question that a bash script a few lines in length could solve |
| 23:01.00 | itsnotabigtruck | err...no |
| 23:01.59 | javispedro | why not? |
| 23:02.28 | javispedro | just grab the bunch of scripts in etc/init and match all the files sourced with refhashlist |
| 23:02.46 | RzR | itsnotabigtruck: this is weird i am using the generic "dh" rules ... |
| 23:04.01 | njsf | Well it seems Nokia is now officially winding down support for the N9 |
| 23:04.04 | RzR | itsnotabigtruck: is this related to obs ? |
| 23:04.16 | njsf | harmattan-bugs.nokia.com is now closed for new bugs... |
| 23:04.20 | njsf | bastards |
| 23:04.35 | beford | that means the n9 is currently perfect |
| 23:04.49 | RzR | njsf: they're just hiding to make the n10 |
| 23:05.50 | RzR | any news about meltemi ? |
| 23:06.22 | njsf | beford: not until they fix the bug that prevents mine from sync'ing with Gmail when MfE for my work Exchange is active |
| 23:06.26 | njsf | and I am not the only one.. |
| 23:06.28 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: this is in your own postinst script |
| 23:07.21 | itsnotabigtruck | btw don't do chmods in postinst scripts...it's better/more proper to have the file packaged with the right permissions in the first place |
| 23:07.32 | RzR | itsnotabigtruck: i removed them |
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| 23:08.10 | RzR | itsnotabigtruck: i am double checking on current version and i'll tell you |
| 23:08.27 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: oh, ok...i was going off of the afm version again |
| 23:08.28 | RzR | ~ # ls -l /opt/*/bin/* | grep wsr |
| 23:08.36 | itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't sure if you upgraded that yet |
| 23:08.38 | RzR | ok good now |
| 23:08.41 | RzR | i didnt |
| 23:08.51 | RzR | but i plan to |
| 23:08.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it only takes a minute to push the button... :p |
| 23:09.14 | RzR | i wanted to test it a bit more |
| 23:09.15 | itsnotabigtruck | assuming you already have it in your own obs repo that is |
| 23:09.42 | RzR | i can push current version but i prefer a tested release .. |
| 23:09.58 | RzR | let's see if this can be done today ... |
| 23:09.59 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82991 < btw check out aegisctl, if you haven't already |
| 23:10.39 | RzR | does this concern redak ? |
| 23:11.06 | RzR | won't be able to be installed on other firmware versions. |
| 23:11.32 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, it's unrelated to redak |
| 23:11.51 | RzR | this is interesting |
| 23:12.16 | RzR | but is this related to bugzilla shutdown ? |
| 23:12.43 | RzR | ie : if you cant make a "secure" TC system then we dont need you anymore ... |
| 23:13.47 | RzR | I donno if there nok employees around . but they get all my support because we can fell the bad vibrations... |
| 23:14.25 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: i doubt it |
| 23:14.39 | itsnotabigtruck | the bugzilla-inception connection that is |
| 23:14.52 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably safe to assume this sort of thing was coming for a while |
| 23:14.57 | itsnotabigtruck | it was inevitable, really |
| 23:15.09 | RzR | actually an openplatform worth more than a bugtracker :) |
| 23:15.13 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia seems to freeze releases well before launch, and PR1.3 is slated to be the final release |
| 23:15.30 | itsnotabigtruck | since PR1.2 is out and 1.3 is impending, it's probably been locked down for a while |
| 23:15.41 | itsnotabigtruck | so they're certainly not going to be fixing any more user reported bugs in any case |
| 23:15.43 | RzR | makes sense |
| 23:16.04 | itsnotabigtruck | also at the past rate of bug fixing, none of those were going to get resolved anyway x_x |
| 23:16.20 | itsnotabigtruck | most of them were feature requests that there isn't manpower to implement anyway |
| 23:16.37 | RzR | actually i thought there will be more serious bugs.. |
| 23:16.49 | RzR | did your device ever crash ? |
| 23:17.07 | RzR | on a regular usage ? |
| 23:17.30 | RzR | my n810 is far less stable than n950 which is a prototype |
| 23:19.29 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think i've had any crashes that weren't a direct result of me doing weird things |
| 23:19.37 | itsnotabigtruck | mainly killing processes, i think there's some sort of watchdog thing related to that |
| 23:20.23 | tehdely | PR1.3 final release... ever? |
| 23:23.30 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: probably in a couple weeks |
| 23:23.44 | tehdely | no, i mean like do they abandon that platfomr after that point |
| 23:23.50 | itsnotabigtruck | oh |
| 23:24.14 | itsnotabigtruck | probably, unless they keep trying to fight the inception |
| 23:24.32 | tehdely | so after that point we are really and truly on our own |
| 23:24.35 | tehdely | i think that's when the cool hacking starts |
| 23:24.45 | tehdely | hopefully the world won't run out of harmattan-compatible handsets |
| 23:25.22 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i already have some awesome ideas for an extremely hacked PR1.4 cssu type thing |
| 23:27.26 | itsnotabigtruck | btw tehdely: did you end up filling out the qa thingy |
| 23:27.42 | tehdely | nope lemme do that now |
| 23:27.50 | itsnotabigtruck | awesome thanks |
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| 23:36.19 | RzR | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx |
| 23:40.04 | tehdely | shit that doesn't work: logging into apps.formeego.org |
| 23:40.11 | tehdely | even after succesfully creating and logging into a meego.org account |
| 23:40.31 | tehdely | wonder if anyone will ever get around to fixing that |
| 23:40.31 | tehdely | i'll try again in an hour |
| 23:40.31 | tehdely | perhaps some ldap shit needs to sync :/ |
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| 23:46.43 | itsnotabigtruck | tehdely: that's strange |
| 23:47.08 | tehdely | there |
| 23:47.10 | itsnotabigtruck | i wasn't able to log into OBS after they activated my account for that, until they did some tweaking on the server |
| 23:47.10 | tehdely | just had to wait a bit |
| 23:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | oh ok |
| 23:47.18 | itsnotabigtruck | but i think that's fixed for everyone now |
| 23:48.54 | tehdely | so who's maintinaing all the meego.org stuff anyway |
| 23:49.55 | itsnotabigtruck | awesome |
| 23:49.58 | itsnotabigtruck | thanks |
| 23:50.00 | tehdely | y/w |
| 23:50.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and i know lbt and x-fade are in charge of the OBS and AFM stuff |
| 23:50.31 | tehdely | OBS == |
| 23:50.40 | itsnotabigtruck | open build system |
| 23:51.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it's software that meego.com has running that lets you build harmattan/meego stuff |
| 23:51.06 | itsnotabigtruck | it's what feeds into appsformeego |
| 23:51.10 | tehdely | gotcha |
| 23:51.31 | itsnotabigtruck | also, crap |
| 23:51.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i finally got past the error i had before, but none of my modules will load except the most trivial ones |
| 23:51.55 | itsnotabigtruck | [535376.837921] ah4: disagrees about version of symbol inet_add_protocol |
| 23:51.58 | itsnotabigtruck | a lot of that kind of thing |
| 23:52.19 | tehdely | and you're building form the same source tree (presumably) as the running kernel, yes? |
| 23:52.21 | tehdely | interesting... |
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