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| 09:19.06 | Khertan | Morning |
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| 09:35.16 | djszapi | X-Fade: p |
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| 10:06.50 | djszapi | jreznik: p |
| 10:07.00 | djszapi | the color stuff is a huge bike shedding :) |
| 10:07.19 | djszapi | in KDE, that is. |
| 10:08.10 | jreznik | didn't have time to touch it but I have commit rights :) from distro perspective it's good to have it |
| 10:09.29 | djszapi | jreznik: I mean oyranos and colord |
| 10:09.51 | jreznik | yeah, I know |
| 10:10.15 | jreznik | I promised hughsie to help with but dantti has been super fast to work on it :) |
| 10:10.29 | jreznik | and yeah, the fighting is not a bad... |
| 10:11.36 | djszapi | jreznik: I have not seen this long thread from the nothing appearing on k-c-d for quite a while. |
| 10:12.25 | jreznik | I talked to Kai-uwe at fosdem but then everything changed... |
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| 10:14.18 | djszapi | wonders nobody proposed to fix the insane qt command line options for Qt5... |
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| 11:05.18 | jonni | GAN900: there is no xterm in harmattan. |
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| 11:16.31 | GeneralAntilles | jonni... Right. So, is there any way to change the terminal font in Harmattan? :) |
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| 11:23.58 | djszapi | Is it possible to define the source of an image this way: source: "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"; where gallowsSeriesCounter is an integer property ? |
| 11:27.28 | gabriel9 | it should work in JS |
| 11:27.47 | djszapi | I do hope you realized it is not the js part :) |
| 11:27.56 | gabriel9 | no :) |
| 11:28.06 | gabriel9 | in which part is this |
| 11:28.28 | djszapi | Image { id: myImage; source: ... } |
| 11:29.14 | gabriel9 | hm you can do something like this source : function() { return "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"} |
| 11:29.15 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 11:29.19 | gabriel9 | i gues |
| 11:29.29 | Anssi138 | djszapi: isn't it working? |
| 11:29.42 | djszapi | Anssi138: nah, otherwise I would not ask :) |
| 11:29.54 | gabriel9 | does my example work? |
| 11:30.04 | djszapi | gabriel9: yes, of course I can set the source outside, but that is not the intention here. |
| 11:30.16 | gabriel9 | ok |
| 11:30.19 | djszapi | it is about a simple binding, but I guess it should work. |
| 11:30.39 | Anssi138 | unless you have foobared some image paths or something. |
| 11:30.41 | djszapi | not sure, what I am doing wrong, the console.log thingie shows the incremented stuff. |
| 11:30.48 | djszapi | Anssi138: huh ? |
| 11:32.27 | gabriel9 | i must try this: source : (function() { return "gallows" + gallowsSeriesCounter + ".png"})() |
| 11:32.40 | gabriel9 | djszapi is this working? |
| 11:33.31 | gabriel9 | i don't have qt here, and i wonder is this also ok |
| 11:33.54 | djszapi | I tried such hacks earlier, when the binding did not work, but usually the script either. |
| 11:34.02 | djszapi | the problem was always somewhere else. |
| 11:34.37 | Anssi138 | actually it's javascript more or less so it should work. |
| 11:34.58 | djszapi | ok, I caught the mistake. |
| 11:35.11 | Anssi138 | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-url.html |
| 11:35.13 | jonni | GeneralAntilles: font size is just pinch gesture, font family is just recompilation away. |
| 11:37.41 | gabriel9 | anyone know is there a way to remove borders and rounded corners from textarea? |
| 11:37.45 | gabriel9 | they are ugly |
| 11:39.13 | gabriel9 | i notice this also on Redak app |
| 11:47.57 | jonni | gabriel9: most likely you can change platformStyle property of TextArea |
| 11:48.19 | jonni | as if I remember right its not readonly |
| 11:49.46 | rlinfati | DocScrutinizer, ping |
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| 11:54.56 | gabriel9 | jonni thanks i will check it out |
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| 12:13.48 | Khertan | gabriel9: i have a workarround |
| 12:13.56 | gabriel9 | ? |
| 12:14.00 | Khertan | gabriel9: i didn't remove them :) |
| 12:14.22 | Khertan | just hide it, as remove the plateformStyle remove copy/paste bubble too |
| 12:14.54 | Khertan | gabriel9: look at KhtSimpleText (the textarea borders are hidden) |
| 12:15.05 | gabriel9 | ok |
| 12:15.06 | Khertan | http://github.com/khertan/khtsimpletext |
| 12:15.07 | gabriel9 | will check |
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| 12:23.44 | gabriel9 | i'm no expert in this so i ask you: if i wish to write pareser for text which is faster: C++ or JS |
| 12:23.47 | gabriel9 | in qml |
| 12:23.54 | gabriel9 | application |
| 12:24.30 | Corsac | don't write a parser |
| 12:24.33 | Corsac | use an existing one |
| 12:24.42 | Corsac | if you write one, it'll buggy and full of security issues |
| 12:24.45 | Corsac | parsing is *hard* |
| 12:25.44 | flux | I would be surprised if C++ were slower than Javascript for that. also, C++ probably has better tools. |
| 12:26.30 | flux | I mean, parsing formats othern than XML or JSON with javascript is probably quite a rare task. |
| 12:26.57 | gabriel9 | this needs testing |
| 12:27.22 | gabriel9 | but it should provide usefull data |
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| 12:53.22 | itsnotabigtruck | 'sup |
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| 13:00.44 | gabriel9 | in nokia maps app we can download maps and use it offline |
| 13:00.52 | gabriel9 | can we use that cashed maps in our apps? |
| 13:01.27 | gabriel9 | or only nokia have accses to that |
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| 13:09.57 | beford | morning |
| 13:10.05 | gabriel9 | day :) |
| 13:13.46 | jonni | gabriel9: yes you can use, there should be even qml example how to use maps data in sdk documentations. |
| 13:14.05 | gabriel9 | that is really nice |
| 13:14.23 | gabriel9 | will search for it later |
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| 14:07.35 | gabriel9 | omg is there greater nightmare then event driven programming with JS(large scale projects) -_-' |
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| 14:10.29 | lucido | heello, 1.2 update broke my app, now it cant be removed because it says it's not closed, is there a way around this? |
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| 14:16.50 | rigo | lucido, have you tried rebooting your phone? |
| 14:17.18 | MohammadAG | it's not closed? |
| 14:17.27 | lucido | rigo, yes I have, but my contains a demon that is launched on boot |
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| 14:18.10 | lucido | rigo, prevously I used the prerm script of the deb package to stop the daemon but this new check precedes that |
| 14:19.01 | rigo | hm, this goes beyond the things I could debug remotely |
| 14:21.57 | jonni | lucido: why dont you just disable the autostart from the application and then uninstall? |
| 14:22.41 | lucido | jonni, because the user wouldn't know what to do |
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| 14:22.56 | djszapi | bef0rd: ping |
| 14:24.05 | jonni | lucido: atleat if I would be app user, and see not closed error message, I would go into application and close all daemons. |
| 14:24.11 | jonni | atleast even |
| 14:24.41 | lucido | jonni, what application is that? |
| 14:24.57 | jonni | lucido: your application, ie application that user tries to uninstall |
| 14:25.00 | lucido | people dont even know that daemons exist |
| 14:25.05 | djszapi | anybody with Mac here ? |
| 14:25.16 | djszapi | it uses the same command line argument structure like Unix right ? |
| 14:25.24 | jonni | lucido: is it ovi store app, or something else? |
| 14:25.30 | lucido | it is |
| 14:26.20 | lucido | jonni, ovi store app |
| 14:27.02 | jonni | lucido: ovi store content guideline 1.3.pdf chapter 2.2.8.5: "If application uses the auto-start feature to launch when the device is turned on, the application must include an option to disable/enable the auto-start feature. |
| 14:27.20 | jonni | lucido: if your app does not provide that functionality then QA should not have passed the app |
| 14:28.13 | lucido | jonni, I see and I can add that easyly but all the same its by far not trivial for a normal user to remove the app |
| 14:30.16 | rigo | djszapi, depends on which parts you're working on. AFAIK, it has a complete BSD system (SysV-Unix) and the Apple interface on top of it |
| 14:30.25 | jonni | whats the exact not closed error message, I can do a small grep search to sources, and maybe enter internal bug report if its some regression that pr1.2 did |
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| 14:33.32 | rigo | jonni, if you're at it, the package virtuoso-opensource-6.1 in SDK is borken. It tries to do an ln -s virtuoso-opensource-6.1 virtuso in /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:33.50 | rigo | which is protected by aegis, so it can't complete |
| 14:33.54 | jonni | "not closed" string is not atleast found in package-manager |
| 14:34.08 | lucido | jonni, moment |
| 14:34.13 | rigo | and this is the only thing holding up installation of Kontact Touch |
| 14:34.51 | jonni | rigo: first define SDK? :) qtsdk which has the pr1.0 rootstrap? |
| 14:35.13 | lucido | jonni, "The application is still running. Please close it first." |
| 14:35.37 | rigo | deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free |
| 14:37.07 | rigo | no, its in the other repo |
| 14:37.13 | rigo | so wrong channel |
| 14:37.54 | rigo | but I still wonder how it can install virtuoso-opensource-6.1 as a script-file but not the link |
| 14:38.21 | itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: isn't there a maps widget you can integrate into your apps? |
| 14:38.26 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd assume it loads cached maps if possible |
| 14:38.28 | rigo | other repo meaning deb https://files.kolab.org/local/maemo/dists/harmattan ./ |
| 14:38.39 | gabriel9 | i don't know |
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| 14:39.00 | gabriel9 | i tried to find it but no luck, and i did not search alot |
| 14:39.08 | gabriel9 | i will check it tonight |
| 14:39.36 | itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: i'm positive there's a widget, the question is whether it meets your reqs |
| 14:40.29 | jonni | lucido: and I bet that you meant to replacec still-word with currently-word? |
| 14:41.04 | jonni | as I can only find hits with "currently running"... |
| 14:41.08 | itsnotabigtruck | lucido: so the problem is that package-manager finds a window from your app open and decides not to allow it to be removed? |
| 14:41.24 | itsnotabigtruck | even though you have a prerm hook that is supposed to kill it? |
| 14:41.32 | lucido | jonni, "still" is correct |
| 14:41.49 | itsnotabigtruck | lucido: is that a translation or the original text |
| 14:41.58 | jonni | ah might be translations... but I found the place in code I think |
| 14:41.59 | lucido | itsnotabigtruck, original |
| 14:42.10 | lucido | yes? |
| 14:42.44 | lucido | the implementation of the daemon is via a qdeclarativeview that is hidden |
| 14:42.58 | lucido | I know its less than ideal but... |
| 14:43.11 | itsnotabigtruck | lucido: might be best to fix that instead |
| 14:43.19 | itsnotabigtruck | daemons shouldn't have windows, period |
| 14:43.32 | itsnotabigtruck | i think qt provides a message loop system for non-graphical applications |
| 14:44.00 | lucido | what do you mean by "window"? |
| 14:47.02 | itsnotabigtruck | lucido: well, it sounds like you're creating a window in X |
| 14:47.53 | lucido | if there was a window it would show in the task manager screen of the swipe ui |
| 14:48.14 | itsnotabigtruck | unless it's a hidden window |
| 14:49.50 | jonni | lucido: I checked a code, there is a check if there is any ui proesses related to package running. If not, it terminates all other non-visible processes releated to package. |
| 14:50.28 | lucido | jonni, thanks, how is a ui process identified? |
| 14:50.36 | jonni | lucido: so should work on most of the times, unless your app uses hidden view which is tought to be running ui |
| 14:51.54 | lucido | jonni, well it has a qdeclaraiveview in hidden state, maybe I should delete the view and recreate it on demand |
| 14:52.43 | jonni | lucido: its identified by callind /usr/lib/package-manager/exec_checker, in uninstall case it gets -p packagename -t as arguments |
| 14:52.50 | jonni | calling even |
| 14:54.30 | lucido | jonni, thank you, now I'll have to revrite the app and write a separate app just for removing the old version lol |
| 14:54.34 | lucido | good times |
| 14:54.36 | jonni | if ui is not detected then that -t flag kills all non-ui processes releated to package |
| 14:56.04 | jonni | but its a feature in pr1.2 which helped uninstall cases on lot of packages, so most likely there is no point of creating a but report, as it will not fall into the critical showstopper category |
| 14:56.50 | jonni | daemons should be daemons and not hidden qdeclarativeviews (tm).... |
| 14:57.22 | MohammadAG | _1 ^ |
| 14:57.24 | MohammadAG | +1* |
| 14:57.35 | lucido | ok ok |
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| 15:31.26 | rlinfati | FYI: Harmattan PR1.2 sources: https://ssl.linfati.cl/h12/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.ISO ; it's 2012-7 version |
| 15:31.56 | rlinfati | the 30.2012.03-5_sources.iso was the 2012-3 version (n950 vs n9 version) |
| 15:32.10 | rlinfati | the diferences are in https://ssl.linfati.cl/h12/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.diff |
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| 15:54.45 | itsnotabigtruck | is there a way to make package-manager log? |
| 16:15.38 | xmlich02 | hi, i am trying to compile my project with scratchbox, but the MDeclarativeCache file is missing. PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is not working |
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| 16:25.57 | phako | xmlich02: do you use additional pkgconfig stuff? |
| 16:26.34 | phako | xmlich02: make sure PKGCONFIG += meegotouch-boostable is the last one you add |
| 16:27.39 | xmlich02 | i do not use additional pkgconfig stuff |
| 16:27.50 | phako | then I don't know :) |
| 16:29.30 | xmlich02 | i removed the qdeclarative-boostable from project file and scratchbox compiles it |
| 16:33.38 | RST38h | Oh yessss http://www.reghardware.com/2012/03/15/steve_jobs_plushie_spied_on_web/ |
| 16:48.39 | merlin1991 | burn ittttttt |
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| 17:25.44 | rigo | strange, harmattan doesn't implement the >> pipe |
| 17:25.54 | rigo | permission denied |
| 17:26.25 | rigo | it seems to try to overwrite instead of appending to the file |
| 17:26.42 | RST38h | can't be |
| 17:27.16 | rigo | but it can very well be that I'm a moron making a stupid mistake |
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| 17:28.57 | rigo | yes, moron, root is not root |
| 17:30.12 | rigo | yesssss, aegis, we all love you :) |
| 17:30.27 | rigo | chmod 664 file doesn't change permissions |
| 17:31.07 | leinir | *nods* You must unlearn what you have learned ;) |
| 17:31.56 | rigo | and this is the key for my kontact-touch issue. The script runs as some user and can create the file. But then it can't change the file anymore |
| 17:33.49 | jonni | >> pipes are supported just fine |
| 17:34.56 | rigo | yes, but the entire permission system has turned into a mess :) |
| 17:35.23 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that would be extraordinarily weird if >> pipes weren't supported, since that's a pretty fundamental kernel/libc/bash/etc thing :p |
| 17:35.33 | jonni | very simple, if your users you can pipe to user files, if your root you can pipe to root file, root cannot messa user files |
| 17:35.44 | rigo | solution to issue above: do apt-cache depends kdepim-mobile >>/dependencies.txt as user, not as root |
| 17:36.50 | jonni | well / dir is owner by root so ofcourse you cannot write there, as you cannot write there in any linux system |
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| 17:37.38 | rigo | jonni, nice, but I created the file as root by saying apt-cache depends kmail-mobile >>/home/user/MyDocs/kdepim-mobile-dependencies.txt to actually create the file on the 50G partition |
| 17:38.14 | rigo | but the file on /home/user/MyDocs was created as a user file |
| 17:38.47 | rigo | not as a file from root. Despite the fact that it was root who issued the first pipe and created that document |
| 17:39.05 | rigo | very funny concept. |
| 17:39.17 | mgedmin | it's a VFAT filesystem |
| 17:39.26 | mgedmin | it has no place for storing owership information |
| 17:40.15 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, everything in MyDocs is always owned by user afaik |
| 17:40.30 | rigo | oh my, yes, I'm a moron. The only PC software to interact with your linux phone is only running in windows and the filesystem is VFAT *bummer* |
| 17:40.41 | rigo | :) |
| 17:40.59 | mgedmin | if you want to support USB mass storage, you gotta use VFAT |
| 17:41.06 | mgedmin | (or NTFS, I suppose) |
| 17:42.11 | rigo | ha, good reason! |
| 17:42.12 | mgedmin | well, if you want to support USB mass storage _that works with Windows machines_ |
| 17:42.20 | jonni | its mounted as uid=29999 |
| 17:43.07 | itsnotabigtruck | right, vfat = inferior and works with everything |
| 17:43.08 | rigo | mgedmin, otherwise you would have to provide a driver CD for Windows with the Software and the EXT/2 driver for Windows |
| 17:43.23 | itsnotabigtruck | which is a lot better than the alternative of no support (besides that hacky driver) for windows at all |
| 17:43.35 | rigo | but in the end, just a matter of learning curve |
| 17:43.52 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you're confident you won't be mounting it on windows, i'm sure there's a way to get it formatted to ext4 |