| 00:35.31 | Avengence | xmlich02: reading that openmobility page, I can't help but trip over some grammatical mistakes whiole reading it. I'm a native english speaker and will volunteer to proofread and edit pages for the conference |
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| 04:45.59 | psycho_oreos | ovistore is so ever reliable.. tried downloading fuelexp for the last 10 times each time it fails |
| 04:50.17 | SpeedEvil | It's commercial grade. |
| 04:50.23 | SpeedEvil | None of this open-source rubbish. |
| 04:54.49 | psycho_oreos | commercial grade yet it fails to serve those who just simply wants to restore the `apps' on their phones |
| 04:55.14 | SpeedEvil | It's in the best traditions of best market practice! |
| 04:55.15 | psycho_oreos | love to see them dealing with windows marketplace come mango days |
| 04:55.40 | SpeedEvil | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/03/09/1243250/microsoft-to-shut-down-app-store-for-windows-mobile |
| 04:56.12 | psycho_oreos | so ovistore will be available for mango? hahaha. |
| 04:56.35 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 04:56.45 | itsnotabigtruck | that's for WM6 btw not WP7 |
| 05:00.50 | psycho_oreos | `commercial grade' ovistore, now powered by windows |
| 05:00.57 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 05:01.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's terrible |
| 05:02.03 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure how they managed to make ovi store as unreliable and slow as it is |
| 05:02.20 | itsnotabigtruck | an app store isn't really a very complicated concept |
| 05:02.39 | itsnotabigtruck | especially since this one doesn't have anything special like drm to get in the way |
| 05:02.59 | psycho_oreos | no its supposed to be `commercial grade', they're paid well to keep this store running as it is |
| 05:04.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i've been meaning to get going on something like afm/ovi/etc. that's hooked together with inception, a la cydia |
| 05:06.01 | itsnotabigtruck | a tough project though |
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| 06:56.10 | ieatlint | so nokia added a panorama app to the lumia 800... i wonder what the odds are one for the n9 will ever appear |
| 06:56.55 | djszapiN9 | with handycapp or without ? |
| 06:58.08 | ieatlint | not sure what you mean by that |
| 06:58.47 | ieatlint | by handycap, do you mean an aid in taking the pictures to stitch together through the use of the accelerometer? |
| 07:00.07 | djszapiN9 | handicap is a method for sport events in my country |
| 07:00.17 | djszapiN9 | which modifies the odds |
| 07:02.17 | ieatlint | yes, it's a word that indicates a disability or inability to compare/compete, and is considered a derogatory term if used to refer to a disabled person, as the root of the word is a beggar |
| 07:03.19 | djszapiN9 | meh |
| 07:03.47 | ieatlint | they prefer the word cripple |
| 07:09.09 | djszapiN9 | khangman is now in ovi, if someone would like to try out. |
| 07:10.26 | djszapiN9 | it is interesting i got 3 russian feedback in few hours. Seems russia has been waiting for this project. :) |
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| 07:10.50 | djszapiN9 | reviews* |
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| 07:16.59 | djszapiN9 | 4 russian reviews in russian...ehh ? |
| 07:22.14 | djszapiN9 | interesting that the search engine does not find khangman for "hangman".... i am not happy about it. |
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| 07:25.50 | ieatlint | that is odd... hangman is clearly in the description |
| 07:26.15 | djszapi | yes, more times. |
| 07:26.21 | djszapi | and even if it was not, it should be no problem |
| 07:26.29 | ieatlint | perhaps they haven't updated all their indices yet |
| 07:26.30 | djszapi | as far as it is the subset of the name. |
| 07:26.45 | djszapi | what I was thinking is that, the search engine takes a time to get updated. |
| 07:26.48 | djszapi | with new contents. |
| 07:26.52 | djszapi | but I am just speculating. :) |
| 07:26.54 | ieatlint | and until they do, only exact name matches will bring it up |
| 07:27.04 | ieatlint | yeah, that's pretty much what i just speculated :P |
| 07:27.21 | ieatlint | reasonable to think it's done delayed in batches during off-peak |
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| 07:28.15 | djszapi | about the russians... :) they may have different vision about "HangMan", aka. war and stuff :D |
| 07:29.35 | djszapi | meh, and since the reviews are no way to get available on desktop, big meh |
| 07:29.41 | djszapi | someone willing to translate them for me, please ? |
| 07:29.56 | djszapi | and I cannot copy/paste it out on the device either into a translator application. |
| 07:30.15 | djszapi | I would not know how to re-type those cyrill letters on my desktop either. |
| 07:31.30 | djszapi | ohh, it is available on desktop, ok |
| 07:32.18 | ieatlint | hah, tried to leave a review, and it got angry |
| 07:32.38 | ieatlint | seems if you didn't install it via the store app, it won't let you review it, but the app thinks you can |
| 07:35.02 | ieatlint | there, you'll have a review in english now |
| 07:35.32 | djszapi | they all pretty much said that it is a cool game, but it is not available in Russian |
| 07:35.40 | djszapi | thing is that, we have it translated in KDE for 50-100 languages |
| 07:35.47 | djszapi | so it is worth putting it that way. |
| 07:35.58 | djszapi | it is gonna slightly increase the size, but it is already 7.5 MB |
| 07:38.27 | djszapi | ieatlint: thanks for the feedback :) So my question is that how the 4 reviews became 6 after your post :p |
| 07:39.03 | djszapi | wow, feedback keep coming, it is now 7 :) |
| 07:39.09 | djszapi | everybody complains about other languages. |
| 07:39.46 | ieatlint | well, i did have trouble initially... it shouldn't let me double post, but.. |
| 07:49.33 | djszapi | X-Fade could you please let me know the repository of the apps for meego website, if it is public ? |
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| 07:55.26 | djszapi | ieatlint: do you have any apps in ovi ? |
| 07:56.29 | ieatlint | uh, not really personal ones |
| 07:56.32 | ieatlint | except for symbian |
| 07:56.48 | djszapi | Symbian :D |
| 07:57.00 | ieatlint | i have an app i need to push out, but i stupidly need to wait for my employer to sign off |
| 07:57.17 | ieatlint | but it's only useful for where i live right now.. a public transit app |
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| 07:59.31 | djszapi | right, I will investigate about the russian alphabet |
| 07:59.49 | djszapi | I do not dare to change to russian layout to check it out since I am afraid it takes a time to change back :) |
| 08:00.50 | ieatlint | i imagine you can find someone here to be a tester... any cyrillic language might work even |
| 08:02.33 | djszapi | yes, I have a getter for the English alphabet |
| 08:02.42 | djszapi | I should probably write a getter for the Russian alphabet |
| 08:02.52 | djszapi | are they coming after each other in the unicode stuff ? |
| 08:03.02 | djszapi | that is how I generated the alphabet with a loop |
| 08:03.09 | djszapi | just simple incremental stuff |
| 08:04.34 | djszapi | ok 33 letters, that is way too much... |
| 08:04.49 | djszapi | that is not gonna fit for the current layout... |
| 08:04.56 | djszapi | (in landscape mode, that is) |
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| 08:26.38 | gabriel9|work | i got xbox 360 |
| 08:27.02 | gabriel9|work | and now i don't know what to do with it :/ |
| 08:27.35 | gabriel9|work | i was thinking to install Linux on it, but it needs some nasty hack/flash |
| 08:28.12 | ieatlint | buy the hddvd-rom attachment |
| 08:28.27 | ieatlint | it's a great addition to any laserdisc and betamax collection |
| 08:30.34 | gabriel9|work | well if i can buy it i would |
| 08:32.30 | gabriel9|work | i should not buy it, but the price was great |
| 08:32.44 | gabriel9|work | 85€ Elite version with two games |
| 08:33.14 | ieatlint | yeah, that is a great price |
| 08:34.55 | gabriel9|work | to good to be true, but it works great |
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| 08:40.09 | djszapi | hey guys, is it worth selling lumia 800 for 250 EUR ? |
| 08:40.21 | djszapi | the stock price is 433 EUR here, but nobody is interested in that for 300 EUR apparently. |
| 08:40.30 | djszapi | but there is a guy who would buy it for 250 EUR. |
| 08:41.48 | ieatlint | well, it's not going to start increasing in value |
| 08:42.19 | ieatlint | i'm keeping mine, but if i were that indifferent, i suppose an extra 250EUR wouldn't be bad deal |
| 08:45.39 | djszapi | yes, I think I will sell it anyway |
| 08:45.52 | djszapi | since it would be a piece of stuff on my shelf in few years |
| 08:46.10 | djszapi | just like all the other gadgets now, I won or got previously in the previous years. |
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| 08:48.07 | leinir | absolutely - get rid of it for 250, or have an expensive (and due to how light it is not very effective) paperweight ;) |
| 08:48.57 | djszapi | :p |
| 08:51.29 | djszapi | ieatlint: is it possible to develop for Symbian (Belle, C*, etc) ? |
| 08:51.37 | djszapi | on Linux* |
| 08:52.51 | ieatlint | the short answer is no |
| 08:52.55 | ieatlint | the long answer is yes |
| 08:53.03 | ieatlint | but you really don't want the long answer |
| 08:54.22 | matrixx | djszapi: you just need to use the remote compiler service, I haven't tried that myself though |
| 08:54.44 | leinir | ieatlint: presumably it includes words like "remote compiling" and "virtual machine"? ;) |
| 08:55.04 | ieatlint | leinir, ever used remote compiling? |
| 08:55.21 | leinir | Well... sort of, but not quite |
| 08:55.46 | leinir | i'm the guy that wrote the server part of the Bretzn OCS buildservice module, and some parts of the Qt Creator plugin for it... |
| 08:55.46 | ieatlint | if your build process is complicated, it adds significant overhead |
| 08:56.03 | leinir | *nods* i can imagine vividly |
| 08:56.14 | ieatlint | and unless it's changed recently, qtcreator on linux doesn't have coda support |
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| 08:57.20 | djszapi | does not have qtcreator support |
| 08:57.25 | ieatlint | so if your option is to send things off to a remote server and hope it doesn't screw up, with a long interval between build attempts, and then find a way to transfer a sis file to the phone and get no debug info... i stand by my answer :P |
| 09:00.25 | ieatlint | i will say coda is a HUGE improvement over trk at least. trk made me want to kill people. |
| 09:00.43 | djszapi | hang man :) |
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| 09:01.27 | ieatlint | in fact, given how often trk broke things and the number of times i threw phones out of frustration, it speaks well of nokia's hardware that i never physically broke a phone |
| 09:04.01 | leinir | ieatlint: *nods* It's scary how easy it is to do harmattan development... and how difficult it, for some reason, is to develop for symbian... It scares me that /anybody/ thought that was a good idea, but... i guess it was just because at the time it was started, it was... well, the best available option |
| 09:04.54 | ieatlint | heh, yeah |
| 09:05.03 | leinir | *giggles* Yes, sturdy hardware came as a requirement from software developers, i'm sure ;) "Requirements list, item 1: Must stand up to frustrated developers" ;) |
| 09:05.17 | ieatlint | i've spent more hours than anyone ever wants to know on linking and packaging issues for symbian apps |
| 09:05.54 | ieatlint | and handling special use cases for outdated firmware that lacked new libraries, because QA required that the user get a nice friendly error message about how the app couldn't run without the new libs |
| 09:06.00 | djszapi | have you ever used the harmattan target on c-obs last summer ? |
| 09:06.31 | djszapi | probably the most wasteful period of my life. |
| 09:06.56 | ieatlint | nope |
| 09:07.25 | ieatlint | last summer i was doing harmattan app dev, and it was essentially as easy as it is now -- minus the simulator part |
| 09:07.43 | ieatlint | well, the dev process was, qt-mobility issues were another story |
| 09:07.54 | djszapi | kde app development would not have been possible without fighting continously every single day with c-obs |
| 09:07.58 | djszapi | for looooooong months |
| 09:08.56 | djszapi | but in the end, I can say that the KDE App Development story is the best on Harmattan. |
| 09:09.00 | djszapi | so all good :) |
| 09:09.10 | djszapi | even PA is worse currently. |
| 09:09.18 | ieatlint | yeah, harmattan has a lot of things going for it, except a future |
| 09:10.01 | djszapi | the next platform for KDE is either Android or PA |
| 09:10.08 | djszapi | me personal gut feeling is Android |
| 09:10.11 | djszapi | my* |
| 09:10.23 | djszapi | for KDE App Development* |
| 09:10.55 | ieatlint | PA? |
| 09:11.02 | ieatlint | PA to me means pulseaudio... heh |
| 09:11.15 | djszapi | per annum xD |
| 09:12.06 | djszapi | ieatlint: this thingie: http://dot.kde.org/2012/03/13/plasma-active-three-sprint |
| 09:12.31 | djszapi | though, they randomly use "plasma active" and "active" at places. :) |
| 09:12.41 | ieatlint | ah, right, i keep seeing demos of that |
| 09:12.48 | ieatlint | but pulseaudio has forever sullied PA |
| 09:12.55 | ieatlint | it's also ruining penny arcade |
| 09:16.57 | djszapi | good thing is that, the desktop components are more advanced than I expected. |
| 09:19.40 | djszapi | ieatlint: sadly, it is not an indexing issue... "kanagram" is not found by using the keyword "anagram". |
| 09:20.02 | djszapi | that has been available for a while. |
| 09:21.09 | djszapi | unless they need more than 2 months for indexing. |
| 09:21.36 | tomma | ieatlint, creator does support coda in linux |
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| 09:23.07 | tomma | ... well atleast i used creator + remotecompiler with some modifications to build and test application in E7 |
| 09:24.21 | djszapiN9 | tomma, i think i got c7 at the qt developer days. Would that also work ? |
| 09:26.37 | tomma | i see no reason why it wouldn't |
| 09:26.49 | djszapiN9 | cool |
| 09:27.19 | tomma | but you need to build creator |
| 09:27.58 | tomma | hmm... i haven't pushed that branch to gitorious yet |
| 09:28.19 | djszapiN9 | does git master head contain those mods, or shall I have local patches ? |
| 09:28.25 | djszapiN9 | oh |
| 09:28.51 | djszapiN9 | tomma, so you develop for symbian on linux ? |
| 09:29.45 | tomma | not really... just did some things and needed to see debug outputs |
| 09:33.48 | tomma | djszapiN9, http://qt.gitorious.org/+wcc-dev/qt-creator/wcc-qt-creator/commits/wcc-master-deploy |
| 09:35.11 | tomma | ... it shouldn't be that buggy =) |
| 09:42.52 | ieatlint | tomma: glad that they added it, but i still personally would only do symbian dev in windows |
| 09:43.34 | djszapi | ieatlint: because you love Windows, that is all. :p |
| 09:44.25 | xarcass | hopes he will never do symbian dev again. |
| 09:46.10 | ieatlint | djszapi: ergh... right.. that's it |
| 09:46.41 | ieatlint | i mean, who doesn't |
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| 10:04.25 | djszapi | support.(publish.)ovi.com thingie is down ? |
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| 10:15.10 | djszapi | can a stuff be charged over serial port, like a modem ? |
| 10:15.22 | djszapi | from the PC/laptop for sure without external power supply. |
| 10:16.36 | rigo | djszapi, what stands this dam "S" in USB for? :) |
| 10:18.15 | djszapi | rigo: Universal Serial Bus (USB) |
| 10:18.50 | djszapi | but I would not use that, just a 9 pins serial port. |
| 10:19.36 | rigo | RS232? |
| 10:19.42 | djszapi | yes |
| 10:20.10 | rigo | uuuhh oooh, that sounds so eighties :) |
| 10:20.37 | tomma | i dont think it will give enough current for any device |
| 10:21.39 | djszapi | tomma: that was my worry, too. I have a cable to my modem with a serial port output and GND, V pairs. |
| 10:21.57 | djszapi | tomma: but the pairs cannot be in this form connected to the power supply directly. |
| 10:22.05 | djszapi | and I do not have time for hacking that right now |
| 10:22.15 | djszapi | I guess usb-to-serial converter does not help either ? |
| 10:24.13 | trx | i think not, unless you hack the converter a bit if possible |
| 10:24.22 | alterego | djszapi: no you can't charge over RS232 no enough current. |
| 10:24.28 | rigo | I think one of the USB contacts has the power. And if the converter is not providing a connector for that ... |
| 10:24.54 | alterego | And there's no dedicated power rail like with usb |
| 10:25.09 | djszapi | I wonder why this cable bought in the shop does not provide a power supply connection. |
| 10:25.18 | djszapi | but just this pairs |
| 10:26.16 | alterego | Serial TTL and RS232 cables usually only have three or four terminals, rx, tx, gnd and some times cts |
| 10:26.35 | alterego | snd rarely rts |
| 10:26.41 | alterego | ~and |
| 10:26.41 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, and is a binary operation, when 1 is returned ONLY when both operands are true |
| 10:27.16 | tomma | ~xor |
| 10:27.16 | infobot | hmm... xor is exclusive or - meaning that the only true value for this binary operator is when one and only one input is true ( the other value must be false ) |
| 10:27.56 | djszapi | I find it personally uncool.... |
| 10:28.19 | djszapi | I buy stuff in the shop, and I need to make a hardware hack I am not familiar with :) |
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| 10:34.56 | djszapi | so the question is that why a serial interface cable does not provide power supply connection off-hand :) |
| 10:40.00 | deram | serial interface was made in the days when couple of amps 12V current did nothing... |
| 10:42.02 | djszapi | well, I need to feed my modem with current somehow. |
| 10:42.03 | deram | typical use would be teletype or a crt-based terminal |
| 10:43.01 | djszapi | we have just discussed the PC will not feed it with current... |
| 10:43.24 | deram | modems used to have external power adapters |
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| 10:43.50 | deram | if yours expects current from the serial cable, it needs special proprietary cable |
| 10:43.53 | djszapi | well, that is against the practice here. |
| 10:44.32 | djszapi | not sure what you mean by that, but it is just a serial interface cable :) |
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| 10:45.45 | deram | "On some hardware the DTR line (along with RTS) is typically used to provide power. The most notable example of this is a serial mouse. The DE-9 serial port on the PC does not provide any power pins. The mouse driver holds the DTR and RTS lines high at all times so that the mouse may steal power for its own use." |
| 10:46.04 | djszapi | the modem has D15 |
| 10:46.10 | djszapi | but that is behind the point though. |
| 10:46.15 | deram | D15? |
| 10:46.37 | deram | that is not quite standard for serial interface... |
| 10:46.57 | djszapi | D15 connector, yes. |
| 10:47.06 | djszapi | well, that is what the serial interface cable is for. |
| 10:47.15 | djszapi | since the D15 port can be used for RS422 etc |
| 10:47.20 | deram | then your cable is already not a standard cable |
| 10:47.36 | djszapi | it is standard |
| 10:47.46 | djszapi | what you probably mean is that it is not just a simple serial cable. |
| 10:48.15 | djszapi | yes it is a "D15-serial converter" |
| 10:48.31 | djszapi | but that is because D15 can be used for other things as well, not just 232 |
| 10:48.42 | djszapi | so it is a flexible modem after all, afaiu |
| 10:51.27 | djszapi | I am just worried, I should ask for someone to make the connection between the power supply and the serial interface cable, I guess. |
| 10:52.51 | djszapi | why is it so btw ? The powersupply interface is not standard, or why is it not a simple plug-in connection, and get done ? |
| 10:53.07 | Avengence | itsnotabigtruck: re the something liike cydia with inception, it should just a gui over apt/dpkg with some suggested repos. only even starts to getcomplicated if you want to let people sell apps, but is that part even needed |
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| 10:59.08 | alterego | djszapi: TTL like serial was never meant and never has been adapted for powering peripherals. It's just a comms port. |
| 10:59.36 | alterego | USB was the first bus aiui that implemented power for descret peripherals. |
| 10:59.47 | Avengence | gabriel9|work: good price. now you gotta hack it if you want to do anything with it. just remember, the rrod will soon follow |
| 11:00.22 | djszapi | alterego: I was speaking about the serial interface cable. |
| 11:00.43 | djszapi | it already has the GND/V pairs, but it does not have a connector just hanging pairs. |
| 11:00.45 | alterego | What are you interfacing with again? :) |
| 11:00.57 | djszapi | alterego: I would like to get my modem working. |
| 11:01.06 | djszapi | I can test AT* like commands etc |
| 11:01.09 | alterego | Oh, so it passes through usb 5c DCC? |
| 11:01.14 | alterego | 5v .. |
| 11:01.30 | gabriel9|work | Avengence: i don't know |
| 11:01.32 | gabriel9|work | i tested id |
| 11:01.39 | gabriel9|work | it, and it does not overheat |
| 11:02.31 | Avengence | ieatlint: lol, i've thrown winmob phones and iphones in frustration and both die with fatal screen crack on teh second throw if not the first |
| 11:02.36 | djszapi | alterego: what do you mean ? |
| 11:03.01 | alterego | djszapi: it's a usb to serial csble no? |
| 11:03.28 | djszapi | alterego: nop, I would need to connect an usb-serial converter between the PC and the serial interface cable. |
| 11:03.58 | alterego | Weird, so where is it getting this power from? :) |
| 11:05.03 | deram | "it already has the GND/V pairs, but it does not have a connector just hanging pairs." this must be the strangest "standard serial cable" i've ever heard |
| 11:05.39 | djszapi | alterego: simple: from the power supply pairs |
| 11:05.41 | djszapi | GND/V |
| 11:05.49 | deram | so this is manufacturers own cable, and those power cords are supposed to be connected to some powersupply |
| 11:05.53 | djszapi | which are exposed by the serial interface cable. |
| 11:05.58 | deram | serial has nothing to do with those... |
| 11:06.07 | alterego | okay, IU |
| 11:06.41 | djszapi | alterego: and the basic problem is that how to get running |
| 11:06.49 | djszapi | I would not like to make a hardware hack like 5-6 years ago :) |
| 11:06.55 | djszapi | I am way out of the experience about these. |
| 11:07.19 | alterego | Well, the first question is, what are you actually trying to achieve? ;) |
| 11:07.28 | djszapi | alterego: use the modem |
| 11:07.35 | deram | and what H/W are you actually having |
| 11:07.36 | djszapi | alterego: send AT* like commands from the PC |
| 11:07.44 | djszapi | via serial port |
| 11:07.48 | djszapi | aka. minicom for instance |
| 11:07.58 | djszapi | but for that, I believe, the modem should be crafted |
| 11:08.00 | alterego | Via usb? or serial on the pc? |
| 11:08.07 | djszapi | alterego: that is detail... |
| 11:08.14 | alterego | You shouldn't need psu to do serial. |
| 11:08.15 | djszapi | minicom handles the usb-serial converter well |
| 11:08.32 | deram | one needs psu for modem for it to do anything |
| 11:08.49 | alterego | So you should just be able to hook up tx,rx,dts and gnd or even just tx,rx and gnd |
| 11:11.36 | Avengence | djszapi: an old rs232 thats truly -10/+10 will give a decent amount of power if you hold the extra signal lines (DSR?DTR?DCD,etc) and use them for power, but most modern devices are just 0/+5, including many laptops, and you wont get much power as its just a tiny converter brings it up to 5 from 3.3 or 2.8 or whatever they are really using (and maybe giving a -5 instead of 0 if its a decent converter) |
| 11:12.16 | Avengence | djszapi: if you just think about some serial peripherals its obvious it works for low power, such as serial mice, but something like a modem is going to need too much power for just teh serial port |
| 11:15.51 | alterego | Avengence: you'd struggle to get good current through that and risk bloeing up the serial port controller. |
| 11:16.19 | Avengence | djszapi: ahh, you asre looking at that damn radio modem. yeah, that 15pin plug is serial plus power. it should split out (with cable) to a 9pin serial port (or 2 of those) and a pair of power wires that you feed power from whatever source you can muster |
| 11:19.03 | Avengence | i was scrolled up, just caught up. konversation (or some irc decent irc app) needs a vertical view split ffs |
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| 11:19.26 | alterego | Heh, |
| 11:19.45 | Avengence | djszapi: i guess it wasn't clear yesterday when i first said something, but the only standard serial ports are 9pin and 25pin. that 15pin clearly makes it a custom port which needs adapters |
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| 11:20.17 | djszapi | alterego: ok I have found some stuff in here :) |
| 11:20.24 | djszapi | now I have everything with connections, just one last thought... |
| 11:20.48 | Avengence | for the sort of product that is (a radio modem) it is expected that every installation is somewhat custom, so they provide you barewire connections. you are expected to feed it power either from a wall wart or your onboard low-voltage DC system, depending on application. |
| 11:20.50 | djszapi | modem writes this: Input Voltage: 6-30V/1A |
| 11:21.15 | djszapi | the AC adapter has this: OUTPUT: 15V -- 4.6 A |
| 11:21.18 | Avengence | since its undouubtly low volume, they are saving money making one cable that you cab use for any application rather than making even smaller volume of several different power cables |
| 11:21.23 | djszapi | is that okay ? |
| 11:21.38 | Avengence | yes, that is ok, its in the range and provides more power than needed |
| 11:21.45 | Avengence | put a 1A fuse on it if the modem says 1A |
| 11:21.49 | deram | djszapi: yes, the voltage is in the range, and it can give more juice than the modem wants |
| 11:23.00 | djszapi | deram: cool :) so the current 4.6 A does not matter since the voltage can break, but that is ok, right ? |
| 11:23.29 | alterego | Yeah, it's fine but a 1A fuse will protect against any possible surges |
| 11:23.30 | deram | djszapi: power adapter must give atleast the amount the device needs |
| 11:23.42 | deram | alterego: that is true |
| 11:23.51 | deram | and a good practise |
| 11:24.35 | alterego | not strictly necessary, but depends hoe much you value your kit. |
| 11:25.23 | djszapi | alterego: I would not like to put any fuse explicitely since I have zero clues about those. |
| 11:25.35 | djszapi | by nowadays. Just making sure it does not break this way with this combination. |
| 11:26.17 | alterego | djszapi: just put it in serial on the v+ rail |
| 11:26.33 | djszapi | alterego: I do not have hanging cords anymore |
| 11:26.43 | djszapi | I found a direct connection in the gadget room |
| 11:27.26 | djszapi | so I found basically a D15 -> power supply connection + serial port connection converter |
| 11:27.40 | alterego | Alternatively, find a more suitable psu, 5v 1A psus are quite common |
| 11:28.03 | djszapi | Väyläadapteri |
| 11:28.09 | alterego | think a few of my ext hdd's use 12v 1A |
| 11:33.08 | djszapi | alterego: hmm, you are apparently right, I even had a fuse in the original construction in the box. |
| 11:33.28 | djszapi | but I think this direct connection is already done internally with that in mind for sure. |
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| 11:35.38 | alterego | Cool, :) |
| 11:37.40 | djszapi | alterego: should any led be on after the power up on the modem, as in: RTS/CTS/TD/RD/CD |
| 11:37.54 | djszapi | TD/RD obviously not since no transmitting in action yet. |
| 11:40.48 | alterego | Think CTS should light up when a serial connection is in process without traffic. |
| 11:40.57 | alterego | if cts is in use |
| 11:45.52 | djszapi | alterego: true, CTS is now red after changing connector :p |
| 11:46.30 | djszapi | and CD keeps blinking hell fast |
| 11:47.49 | alterego | carrier detect yeah |
| 12:01.26 | Avengence | djszapi: even if its internally fused, its cheaper/easier in the long run if you use an external fuse. of course, you only need this if you psu puts outs out significantly more than is needed (say more than 25-50% headroom) |
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| 15:38.12 | beford | hi |
| 15:40.17 | djszapi | hey beford |
| 15:42.18 | beford | hey djszapi, how is it going, having fun with your new job? |
| 15:42.35 | djszapi | yes, struggling the whole day along :) |
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| 16:16.50 | Opaa | Does anyone have solution for N9 device lock issue? I cant disable it, theres no option on Settings -> Security -> Device Lock anymore. And i found http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75072 this... there users say that Exchange is reason for this... but didnt work out that i checked the option for non-provisionable. Can anyone help? |
| 16:22.52 | Sazpaimon | why does the dual boot kernel have all the ageis killing patches |
| 16:23.04 | Sazpaimon | actually, disregard that question |
| 16:23.17 | Sazpaimon | its obviously because aegis wouldnt work on android |
| 16:23.21 | Sazpaimon | or non-harmattan OSes |
| 16:25.33 | Opaa | well that didnt help alot? |
| 16:29.20 | rigo | do you use exchange? |
| 16:31.17 | Opaa | Yes i did use... i removed it couple of moths ago. But i reinstalled the axchange account and checked the option "non-provisionable". But theres still no option that i could disable device lock. |
| 16:31.49 | Opaa | Seems to be some kind of Bug |
| 16:32.25 | rigo | I have still the menu entry: settings->security->device-lock |
| 16:32.36 | rigo | and I don't use exchange |
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| 16:33.23 | Opaa | yes... but the problem seems to be that if u have installed exchange once |
| 16:33.59 | Opaa | if i remove the exchange account it doesnt solve the problem |
| 16:34.39 | rigo | so what does the settings->security-device-lock offer you in choices? |
| 16:35.07 | Opaa | it only offers me time of delay options |
| 16:35.29 | Opaa | in autolock menu |
| 16:35.50 | Opaa | and there should also be option for "disable device lock" or something? |
| 16:36.07 | rigo | my autolock is set to "off" |
| 16:36.28 | rigo | and it doesn't offer that choice anymore? |
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| 16:38.26 | Opaa_ | sry... irc disconnected |
| 16:38.36 | Opaa_ | so... yes theres no "off" on my list |
| 16:39.15 | rigo | so exchange messed up the config files and removing exchange didn't put them back into place |
| 16:39.24 | Opaa_ | yes |
| 16:39.25 | dm8tbr | IIRC, removing the account and maybe rebooting the device should make it reappear |
| 16:40.02 | dm8tbr | if that doesn't help then there's only secure erasing the device |
| 16:40.04 | Opaa_ | im trying to remove the account once more time and reboot n9... lets see if the option shown up |
| 16:40.27 | rigo | perhaps worth a try; that backup the account data, remove and try. If it doesn't work, not much harm done |
| 16:41.13 | Opaa_ | hmm.. u mean that i use some backup which i have created before? |
| 16:41.57 | Opaa_ | i think this Exchange account was created first time when i got the N9 ... so :D |
| 16:42.40 | Opaa_ | ok didnt work out with removing Exchange account & rebooting n9 |
| 16:43.58 | Opaa_ | theres other users with same problems |
| 16:44.55 | dm8tbr | I'm pretty sure I managed to get that back. |
| 16:45.06 | dm8tbr | was the account in 'disabled' state when you removed it? |
| 16:45.43 | Opaa_ | hmm.. what do u mean exact? exchange account? |
| 16:46.12 | Avengence | is it coincidence or a solid pattern that lumia is jacking the maemo numbers? Lumia 710 and 800 to start with, like N710 and N800 tablets, now mention of next Lumia 900 same as N900 phone... |
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| 16:48.42 | Opaa_ | i havent disabled it ever... so i think it was enabled allt the time |
| 16:49.44 | Opaa_ | should i now create the account again? |
| 16:50.04 | rigo | dm8tbr, good strategy ... |
| 16:50.49 | rigo | Opaa, trouble is, we don't know which of those config files and .desktop files to alter where. So you try to find the trigger that the software does it all by itself |
| 16:51.02 | rigo | and disabling may be the right thing and trigger the right scripts |
| 16:51.53 | rigo | unless someone here has such a perfect knowledge of all the config files that she can say: " change that comment" and it is fixed |
| 16:53.20 | jonni | mfe forces provisioning, there is a way to remove it, but I think that hack undocumented. Normally provisioning should be removed when you remove all exchange accounts and reboot |
| 16:53.55 | Opaa_ | hmmm...what if i send my configs to u, and u can compare them... does that help to find this problem? |
| 16:54.25 | Opaa_ | jonni what is mfe? |
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| 16:54.32 | jonni | mailforexchange |
| 16:54.36 | Opaa_ | :) |
| 16:55.36 | dm8tbr | Opaa_: it's probably easier for you to make a backup of your device, flash it with the secure wipe enabled and reinstall firmware |
| 16:56.08 | rigo | =:-} |
| 16:56.14 | Opaa_ | :O |
| 16:57.20 | Opaa_ | i have also installed gmail account but i think this doesnt harm anything? |
| 16:57.38 | dm8tbr | actually if you remember the lock code you don't need to secure wipe |
| 16:58.40 | Opaa_ | device lock code? |
| 16:58.52 | Opaa_ | yes i remember |
| 17:03.10 | Opaa_ | if i reinstall firmware do i lose all apps/setting which i used to have |
| 17:03.18 | itsnotabigtruck | Avengence: except it's a 770, not 710 |
| 17:03.24 | itsnotabigtruck | it's certainly awfully confusing though |
| 17:04.00 | itsnotabigtruck | but they've had a pattern for a long time where 7 = inexpensive teen phone, 8 = midrange, 9 = "flagship" |
| 17:04.27 | itsnotabigtruck | the maemo numbering is the exception to the norm really |
| 17:04.47 | Opaa_ | hmmm... does that have anything to do with this.. that if i set up this exchange to default email? because i think my Gmail account have been default all the time? |
| 17:05.42 | itsnotabigtruck | Opaa_: re reinstall firmware, yeah |
| 17:05.59 | itsnotabigtruck | you lose apps, settings, and your angry birds save |
| 17:06.02 | itsnotabigtruck | most other things are kept\ |
| 17:06.13 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you forgot the lock code and have to do a full wipe you lose all data |
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| 17:22.53 | rigo | itsnotabigtruck, he has the code, but is tired to enter it every 30 seconds ;) So rather a matter of config |
| 17:23.34 | rigo | jonni already said that probably removing all exchange accounts (and de-activating first) will give back the option " off" in the security settings |
| 17:24.33 | rigo | dunno whether the Gmail account is counted as an exchange account, so dunno how many accounts to kill before the option autolock=off re-appears |
| 17:24.44 | Opaa_ | which config files should include the definitions for this device lock option? |
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| 19:26.26 | Avengence | itsnotabigtruck: ohh, guess its not as close a match as i was thinking (didnt own any of the maemo stuff myself) |
| 19:28.25 | Avengence | i guess my first nokia, the 3650, is too lame too even fall in the scheme of numbers that matter |
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| 19:30.09 | Avengence | rigo: the gmail account is a special instance of the imap4 account profile (going by the config files themselves). nothing to do with mfe as google only uses the acivesync protocol for calendar/contacts sync and not mail afaik |
| 19:32.48 | jonni | rigo: gmail is imap, so its not counted as mfe |
| 19:33.22 | mgedmin | so "mail for exchage" actually means imap? |
| 19:33.37 | mgedmin | aaugh, sorry, missed the 'not' |
| 19:33.43 | jonni | ;) |
| 19:33.44 | mgedmin | fails reading comprehension again |
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| 19:37.36 | Opaa_ | didnt solve out this yet... this is very annoying bug |
| 19:37.42 | rigo | Avengence, this was for Opaa and for the device lock |
| 19:38.20 | rigo | for obvious reasons, I would never use anything like gmail |
| 19:41.13 | Opaa_ | this device lock can not be enabled when im trying to install dual boot for N9... thats the main reasen why im trying to get it off |
| 19:41.15 | jonni | force devicelock can be removed with one liner from commandline, but unfortunately I'm not able to paste it here, since that one can also be used to bypass company IT policies, so its a no no :) |
| 19:41.38 | Opaa_ | jonni come ooon :) |
| 19:45.55 | Opaa_ | so it seems that nokia have huge bug with this...that once u enable device lock u dont have a chance to disable it? |
| 19:46.28 | jonni | it should give you option to disable it, after you have removed all email accounts from settings |
| 19:46.37 | jonni | if it doesnt, then its a bug |
| 19:47.10 | jonni | if you havent setup mfe account, there should always be option for disable |
| 19:47.32 | Opaa_ | ok so... i have tho accounts one MFE which i have already removed without results... now its reinstalled... and second account is Gmail account |
| 19:47.56 | Opaa_ | but havent removed this gmail account ever |
| 19:48.41 | Opaa_ | because i thought it has nothing to do with MFE |
| 19:48.42 | jonni | it should be enough to remove mfe account and after reboot it should give disable as option, if you didnt reboot, then it doesnt give the option |
| 19:49.53 | Opaa_ | already removed mfe account & reboot N9... doesnt help... so its bug :) |
| 19:50.12 | jonni | 'feature' :) |
| 19:50.23 | Opaa_ | heh |
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| 19:50.36 | jonni | full reflash always fixes it :) |
| 19:51.00 | jonni | I call it 'feature', because if its not a critical blocked bug, it wont be fixed :) |
| 19:51.03 | Opaa_ | hmm... what do u think, does "faster N9 Transitions" app anything to do with this? |
| 19:51.07 | jonni | blocked bug even |
| 19:51.51 | jonni | transitions shouldnt affect email settings, but I havent used that app ever, so dont know. |
| 19:52.00 | Opaa_ | ok |
| 19:53.19 | Opaa_ | ive been browsing lot of forums related for this issue... and theres quite many users with the same issue and have not get any help for this |
| 19:53.52 | Opaa_ | so at least im not alone with this :) |
| 19:54.11 | jonni | reflash solves it, but ofcourse its a bit small pain because you need to reinstall quite a lot of stuff :) |
| 19:54.53 | Opaa_ | yes... maybe ill just wait that someone solves this :) |
| 19:55.49 | jonni | forced provisioning is kind of requirement for mail for exchange protocol for many companies. |
| 19:56.58 | Opaa_ | hmm so coud this be something to do with my company mail exchange settings on server? |
| 19:57.14 | Opaa_ | which i could ask from our it |
| 19:58.03 | jonni | yep, there is also a workaround.... let me pm :) |
| 19:58.56 | Opaa_ | thing is that im really trying to install dual boot... and the fist guide was this: "Before you proceed make sure that "Device lock" is not enabled in Harmattan (In Settings \ Security \ Device Lock \ Autolock: off). If you have an Mail-for-Exchange account configured, you may need to delete it before you can disable device lock." |
| 19:59.20 | jonni | if you want to know the workaround then answer the private message :) |
| 19:59.21 | Opaa_ | So do u have any tip for this to bypass this? |
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| 20:15.27 | rlinfati | i found a way to downgrade harmattan.... i need more testing... but i get 22-6 installed in my rm680 :) .... the modem failed to flash.... but i think i can fixit |
| 20:16.55 | jonni | rlinfati: and why would you even want to downgrade? |
| 20:17.15 | rlinfati | only for fun :D |
| 20:18.30 | Opaa_ | nothing more funny to do friday evening :) |
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| 20:28.39 | rlinfati | model pr12, harmattan beta1 22-6 now :D |
| 20:29.00 | rlinfati | s/model/modem |
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| 20:37.44 | rlinfati | now... be good guy and report to nokia... ( maybe they know ).... or not report.. |
| 20:38.08 | rlinfati | well harmattan-bugs.nokia.com is readonly.... i can not report :D |
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| 20:44.08 | mgedmin | yeah, they closed the bugzilla |
| 20:44.24 | mgedmin | and suggested that people report problems directly to developer.nokia.com or something like that |
| 20:46.31 | dm8tbr | I'm sure the place's name also starts with /dev/, but I have the feeling it might end in 'null' and not 'eveloper.nokia.com' |
| 20:47.59 | rlinfati | nothing work in beta1... now re-upgrade to pr12 ? |
| 20:48.39 | jonni | you can report directly to me :) |
| 20:49.50 | jonni | that was meant for rlinfati |
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| 21:06.39 | ajalkane | okay, /whois rlinfati that he may report directly to jonni |
| 21:07.30 | ajalkane | Ah, the author of ForeverAlone. Say no more. Thanks for the good times, sire! |
| 21:07.31 | jonni | ajalkane: he already reported. |
| 21:09.00 | ajalkane | I meant what kind of celebrity he is to gain direct access for reporting to Nokia devs. Google gave the answer. |
| 21:12.13 | ajalkane | Oh damn... I read wrong, he reported a way to by-pass the downgrade restriction |
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| 23:01.48 | ieatlint | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/examples/api-showcase/ is a really well done example of many qt-mobility related apis |
| 23:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | dang, madness on al levels of this bluebox virtual reality |
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