| 00:04.32 | MFaro-Tusino | I need some help. I have an app that needs to create a file, so I used /home/user/.Appname as the directory only for the files thet get altered, rest is in /opt/Appname but i get a permission error |
| 00:04.48 | javispedro | when do you get the error? |
| 00:04.58 | MFaro-Tusino | it executes a script under user so i am not sure why the issue |
| 00:05.03 | MFaro-Tusino | when i run the app |
| 00:05.05 | MFaro-Tusino | install is fine |
| 00:05.16 | javispedro | but can you check exactly which operation you are getting an error with? |
| 00:05.33 | javispedro | if you are testing this on device, on the developer mode configuration applet, you can install the "Tracing" tools |
| 00:05.43 | javispedro | it contains one called strace which will be of help here. |
| 00:05.46 | MFaro-Tusino | yeah, it is writing to the home/user/.appname folder |
| 00:06.22 | javispedro | what happens if you run stat /home/user/.appname |
| 00:07.13 | MFaro-Tusino | access is 755 |
| 00:07.17 | javispedro | and uid and gid? |
| 00:07.22 | javispedro | right on the same line |
| 00:07.36 | javispedro | should be user/users |
| 00:07.46 | MFaro-Tusino | uid is 29999/user did is 29999/users |
| 00:08.47 | javispedro | the file you are trying to modify already exists? |
| 00:09.16 | javispedro | (modify or create) |
| 00:09.29 | MFaro-Tusino | no, one yes, one no |
| 00:09.46 | MFaro-Tusino | so one file just gets modified, the other needs to be created |
| 00:11.31 | javispedro | and which one fails? =) |
| 00:11.41 | MFaro-Tusino | let me check :) |
| 00:11.42 | javispedro | and btw are you running this from qt creator? |
| 00:12.05 | MFaro-Tusino | no, it is a python scripted app |
| 00:12.22 | javispedro | does it run from a cron script, a init.d script, or .. ? |
| 00:12.52 | MFaro-Tusino | it is launched from a shell script when the desktop icon is clicked |
| 00:12.57 | javispedro | aha |
| 00:14.23 | MFaro-Tusino | it is an error updating the file |
| 00:14.38 | javispedro | creating one works? |
| 00:17.06 | MFaro-Tusino | no, on a second inspection, they both fail, based on the xterm output |
| 00:17.44 | MFaro-Tusino | again, permission issue |
| 00:18.17 | MFaro-Tusino | if i manually place the files in the respective folders (no deb package install) everything works fine |
| 00:18.40 | MFaro-Tusino | is there a way to retain user permission even through pkgmgr? |
| 00:18.52 | javispedro | what do you mean, if you manually copy the package files but still use the script to run them? |
| 00:19.00 | javispedro | I mean |
| 00:19.20 | javispedro | you install the script by cp-ing and then run it and it creates the files fine? |
| 00:20.00 | MFaro-Tusino | Exactly |
| 00:20.11 | MFaro-Tusino | that is how i did it before i packaged the app |
| 00:20.18 | javispedro | so it is aegis then |
| 00:20.44 | MFaro-Tusino | Stupid aegis |
| 00:20.59 | javispedro | are you running openmode or have ever done anything related to aegis? |
| 00:21.24 | MFaro-Tusino | Currently in open mode, as well as have opensh |
| 00:24.29 | javispedro | an easy way out, if you are doing your own manifest, is to add UID::user to whatever script is the one failing |
| 00:25.23 | javispedro | I ponder. |
| 00:25.26 | MFaro-Tusino | It is a shell script that invokes a python script, the shell has a bother script as well, so should i add the UID for both python and script |
| 00:25.38 | javispedro | how do you call the python script? |
| 00:25.44 | javispedro | ./stuff.py? or python stuff.py? |
| 00:26.19 | MFaro-Tusino | python stuff.py |
| 00:29.05 | MFaro-Tusino | I have to go to uni, but thank you very much for the help, will most likely be back on irc later |
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| 03:12.16 | Arie | jussi are you the jussi kosonen of fmobi? |
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| 07:43.15 | PaulePanter | In Erlangen (Germany) in an O2/Nokia shop I was told I could buy a N9 for 420 €. |
| 07:43.25 | PaulePanter | Did Nokia change its strategy? |
| 07:44.09 | Jare | strategy? |
| 07:44.20 | PaulePanter | distribution strategy |
| 07:45.09 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 07:45.18 | PaulePanter | To not compete with the Lumia/Windows phones I heard they do not sell the N9 in several Western countries like the USA or Germany. |
| 07:45.20 | SpeedEvil | Maybe they meant a lumia 900 |
| 07:45.59 | PaulePanter | I definitely said N9. |
| 07:46.35 | PaulePanter | I did not question the selllers answer though. I should have. |
| 07:46.59 | PaulePanter | He just looked on his computer screen to find out the price. |
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| 07:48.03 | x29a | PaulePanter: 64gb version? |
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| 07:48.40 | PaulePanter | x29a: He asked me if I meant the 16 GB version and I said ok. |
| 07:52.24 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Bluetooth-Surround-Portable-Speaker/dp/B005LBCFHE/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324386236&sr=1-1 - I'd hoped these'd come down a bit. |
| 07:52.50 | SpeedEvil | But closing on 300e for stereo speakers... |
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| 08:05.04 | djszapi | Hey! Has anybody used emperorlinux here ? |
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| 09:39.22 | arcean | ~aegis-no-thanks |
| 09:39.23 | infobot | [aegis-no-thanks] http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 09:39.47 | Tronic | ~inception |
| 09:39.48 | infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a> |
| 09:40.51 | Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: y bot no has inception? |
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| 11:20.50 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I think you should update that aegis-no-thanks factoid to the pr1.2 page |
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| 11:54.39 | djszapi | pawky|2: ping old man... :) |
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| 12:17.35 | RST38h | AH! TEH DRAMAH! |
| 12:17.52 | RST38h | "Google's Page: Dying Jobs called ME, I didn't call him: |
| 12:22.56 | djszapi | 98/wc |
| 12:29.38 | gabriel9|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Q_qscdL-qwI#! |
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| 13:01.02 | djszapi | anybody having Mac here ? |
| 13:03.10 | RST38h | "having" in what way? |
| 13:03.43 | RST38h | does watching apple.com online store count? =) |
| 13:03.56 | djszapi | that is double point. |
| 13:04.51 | lizardo | hmm, I like their sandwiches <:o) |
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| 13:26.05 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: hm, i wonder if that was set before or after inception came out |
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| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I think you could lrn2ibot |
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| 14:08.37 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I always appreciate docs ;) |
| 14:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis-no-thanks is also http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/ |
| 14:11.11 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 14:13.44 | merlin1991 | ~docs |
| 14:13.44 | infobot | Asterisk documentation is available at http://wiki.asterisk.org (Official Asterisk Documentation Wiki), the Voip-Info wiki at http://voip-info.org (~voip-info) or Asterisk: The Future of Telephony (~book) |
| 14:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are talking about |
| 14:13.53 | merlin1991 | bah |
| 14:14.00 | merlin1991 | ~infobotdocs |
| 14:14.05 | merlin1991 | bah² |
| 14:20.42 | tehdely | got my play 360º :) |
| 14:20.46 | tehdely | it's bad-ass |
| 14:21.50 | kozzi | tap 2 play rocks |
| 14:23.07 | tehdely | it's srsly handy. i like to listen to music on my commute on headphones |
| 14:23.17 | tehdely | i can come home, tap the speaker, and it switches from headphones to speaker |
| 14:23.19 | tehdely | perfection |
| 14:23.28 | tehdely | i think this is the first actual, non-gimmicky use for NFC |
| 14:23.40 | tehdely | everything else i've seen is like "TAP THIS AD TO RECEIVE AN AD" |
| 14:23.47 | tehdely | kinda like QR codes, it's a solution looking for a problem |
| 14:24.02 | tehdely | i've never, once, seen sombody scan a QR code |
| 14:24.35 | kozzi | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/entertainment/home-audio/nokia-wireless-music-receiver |
| 14:24.47 | kozzi | seriously considering getting this one |
| 14:24.59 | tehdely | nice |
| 14:25.03 | kozzi | get home, tap on the receiver, music continues |
| 14:25.23 | tehdely | i got a 55 hour trip on Amtrak on saturday |
| 14:25.26 | tehdely | gonna take the play 360 with me |
| 14:25.34 | tehdely | keep it in my sleeper |
| 14:25.40 | tehdely | listen to music while i read |
| 14:26.24 | kozzi | and put others listen to justin bieber |
| 14:26.32 | kozzi | for 55 hours |
| 14:26.35 | tehdely | ha |
| 14:26.58 | tehdely | i'll play strictly 2pac |
| 14:27.06 | tehdely | that should shake everyone up |
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| 14:32.38 | mankeli | hello people |
| 14:33.13 | mankeli | is anyone using sshfs with pr1.2 on n9? :-) |
| 14:40.02 | mankeli | since the sshfs package in rzr's repo depends on fuse-utils package, of which there is no version to install with 2.8.6maemo5+0m7 |
| 14:40.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ~inception is how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 14:40.59 | infobot | ...but inception is already something else... |
| 14:41.07 | itsnotabigtruck | ~inception is also how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 14:41.08 | infobot | itsnotabigtruck: okay |
| 14:41.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ~inception |
| 14:41.11 | infobot | <a href="http://inception.davepedu.com/">BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH</a>, or how you own your phone (see #inception): https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 14:42.49 | mankeli | yes, we all have to go deeper sometimes. |
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| 14:45.56 | djszapi | faenil: qmake is a real crap |
| 14:46.09 | faenil | djszapi, xD |
| 14:46.11 | djszapi | really really crap |
| 14:46.26 | djszapi | I wasted more time with it this week than with any other build system |
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| 14:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: eh? |
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| 14:54.38 | pawky|2 | djszapi: ping young man... |
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| 15:13.25 | RST38h | moos at javispedro |
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| 15:26.47 | javispedro | moo |
| 15:27.10 | Arie | no one is active, though it seems you are here |
| 15:31.07 | RST38h | Arie: Everybody ignoring you. You are insignificant. Your life has no meaning. |
| 15:31.20 | Arie | haha |
| 15:31.27 | Arie | I am winning at this game of life then |
| 15:31.52 | RST38h | Wait until your scooter reaches the edge of the playing field though... |
| 15:32.03 | Arie | i thought that #harmattan would be more active |
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| 15:32.43 | itsnotabigtruck | it's kinda dead during the day and evening euro-time |
| 15:32.57 | itsnotabigtruck | it's really dead during the night euro-time, i.e. most of the day us-time |
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| 15:35.29 | itsnotabigtruck | btw don't forget that there's an #inception for inception-specific stuff, you all need to get in there |
| 15:43.43 | kozzi | it's kinda dead...all time |
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| 16:02.34 | javispedro | funny eh? |
| 16:02.39 | javispedro | :( |
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| 16:51.31 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: still there? |
| 16:51.43 | itsnotabigtruck | it probably wants fuse-utils from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/f/fuse/ |
| 16:53.01 | itsnotabigtruck | also you'll need inception to be able to actually mount anything |
| 17:02.38 | petteri | hmmm that dev repository is nice. There wget and bash for me |
| 17:02.44 | petteri | there is |
| 17:03.12 | itsnotabigtruck | petteri: wget is already in the regular repo |
| 17:03.17 | itsnotabigtruck | bash, be careful with that |
| 17:03.22 | itsnotabigtruck | if you install bash you should incept it |
| 17:03.38 | itsnotabigtruck | that way you can use it as a shell in all situations |
| 17:04.04 | itsnotabigtruck | also, a reminder, don't add that repo to your sources.list on pr1.2+ |
| 17:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | it breaks aegis-install |
| 17:04.15 | petteri | just installing wget now, thanks! |
| 17:04.52 | petteri | i will just put the bash to ~/bin/ and lauch from there when I need |
| 17:05.08 | jonni | wget is in normal nokia repoes, you dont need to abuse dev repo |
| 17:05.28 | itsnotabigtruck | "abuse" is an abuse of words in this case :p |
| 17:05.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, in the case of wget there's no need |
| 17:06.41 | auenf | yay, PR1.2 finally |
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| 17:07.35 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: you know, you could have flashed PR1.2 a month and a half ago |
| 17:07.56 | itsnotabigtruck | and if you upgrade to the version of PR1.2 that just popped up, you'll have to wait all over again for PR1.3 |
| 17:08.20 | itsnotabigtruck | which is closing in quick |
| 17:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's advisable to flash 001 instead of the australian country variant firmware (or whatever it is) |
| 17:08.55 | jonni | australia is 005 |
| 17:09.21 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: a lot of australians have country variant firmware that isn't 005 |
| 17:09.31 | itsnotabigtruck | and they've been neglecting to update country variants for months after release |
| 17:09.40 | jonni | well counry variant is 005, some operator variants isnt |
| 17:09.51 | itsnotabigtruck | same with switzerland, denmark, sweden, a few others |
| 17:10.17 | itsnotabigtruck | nah, 00x = not a country variant |
| 17:10.32 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure what the generic firmware is officially called, but country variants have "Country Variant" in the pc name |
| 17:11.03 | jonni | well they are operator variants then, 001 and 005 are region variants, 001 for europe, 003 for china and 005 for australia. |
| 17:11.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not 100% sure but i'm fairly certain that a number of countries have local firmware variants that have nothing to do with carriers |
| 17:11.53 | jonni | but yes, if you flash 001/003/005 you dont have to wait for your operator variant to appear |
| 17:11.54 | itsnotabigtruck | and it's not an N9 only thing |
| 17:12.13 | itsnotabigtruck | my E71 shipped with some strange country variant US product code, for example, that came with some java games bundled in |
| 17:12.18 | itsnotabigtruck | which they repeatedly neglected to update |
| 17:12.30 | itsnotabigtruck | as opposed to the generic product code |
| 17:13.08 | jonni | personally I just always use 001 as its easiest |
| 17:13.23 | auenf | 299 is australia country variant |
| 17:13.27 | auenf | 005 is generic aus |
| 17:13.43 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: anyway, just flash 001 |
| 17:13.46 | itsnotabigtruck | or 005 is ok too |
| 17:13.54 | itsnotabigtruck | afaik they're more or less identical |
| 17:14.11 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone documented any differences between any of the non-carrier-branded ones besides 003 (china)? |
| 17:14.17 | auenf | on device backup doesnt backup 'messages' right? |
| 17:14.27 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure |
| 17:15.28 | auenf | hmm, 300mb is going to take long enough to download |
| 17:15.33 | auenf | adsl1 ftw |
| 17:16.03 | jonni | forums has commandline tool to backup/restore sms messages |
| 17:16.12 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: did you read any of the stuff i was just saying :/ |
| 17:16.20 | auenf | i read it |
| 17:17.49 | itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like argentina, australia, croatia, denmark, portugal, sweden, switzerland, turkey, vietnam |
| 17:17.53 | itsnotabigtruck | all have country variants |
| 17:18.33 | Velmont | Not Norway? We have norwegian keyboard, -- and a stupid telenor-logo that runs when I start the phone. |
| 17:18.43 | itsnotabigtruck | UAE too |
| 17:18.52 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: you have a carrier branded one |
| 17:19.06 | itsnotabigtruck | the ones i listed are neither generic not carrier branded |
| 17:19.27 | itsnotabigtruck | they're firmware versions that have no good reason to exist, that nokia routinely just forgets about |
| 17:19.38 | auenf | .backups/Backup2/messaging.zip |
| 17:19.44 | auenf | that doesnt have messages in it ;) |
| 17:19.48 | auenf | just mms |
| 17:19.55 | Velmont | Luckily noone has ever literally branded phones in Norway with operators. -- This is the first time I see it branded with a software video on startup. -- Should be able to remove it though, but I don't really start the phone that often anyway ;] |
| 17:19.56 | auenf | surely that is a bug? |
| 17:20.44 | itsnotabigtruck | hmmmm, i wonder how one changes the startup vid |
| 17:21.29 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Velmont: what firmware version are you on |
| 17:21.44 | Velmont | what is it on other phones? -- On mine, there's the nokia drop, -- then the telenor thingy, then it has started. |
| 17:21.50 | itsnotabigtruck | if PR1.2 you have to wait until PR1.3 |
| 17:21.56 | itsnotabigtruck | if PR1.1 you can debrand it to PR1.2 now |
| 17:22.05 | itsnotabigtruck | no matter what you do, don't update your phone once PR1.3 comes out |
| 17:22.20 | Velmont | I have PR1.2 :-) Always quick on the update button -- but I can wait next time :] |
| 17:22.24 | itsnotabigtruck | if you upgrade to a branded/country variant PR1.3 |
| 17:22.38 | itsnotabigtruck | without hackery you won't be able to debrand it ever |
| 17:23.08 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, ok, then when PR1.3 arrives, wait for the 001 firmware image to come out and flash that |
| 17:23.13 | itsnotabigtruck | then you'll be set |
| 17:23.29 | itsnotabigtruck | and if you feel like going to the telenor version you can upgrade to that when they release it, but then you can't go back |
| 17:23.34 | Velmont | cool, i'll do that |
| 17:23.54 | itsnotabigtruck | however setting a custom boot animationb would be cool |
| 17:24.03 | itsnotabigtruck | before the N9 launched someone made a really snazzy one |
| 17:24.28 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rttooBc1uk |
| 17:25.06 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, it's /usr/share/MProgressIndicator/themes/opengl/MainAnimation_LowNoise.mp4 |
| 17:25.16 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: could you confirm that on your phone that's the telenor thing? |
| 17:26.26 | itsnotabigtruck | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n5Sna7LyDQ so awesome |
| 17:26.39 | rigo | Elleo: ping about the identi.ca client :) |
| 17:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and looks at his geeky "DONT PANIC!" bootvid on N900 |
| 17:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | burps, sounds like "frrckaegs" |
| 17:29.31 | Velmont | Hmmm. How can I easily check? No mplayer on the phone :P |
| 17:29.55 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: well, you could scp it i guess |
| 17:30.07 | Velmont | good idea |
| 17:31.57 | franz` | anyone might know why upstart is ignoring a single file? |
| 17:32.07 | franz` | on reboot I see 2225 root {load-launcher.s} /bin/sh /etc/init/xsession/load-launcher.sh 0 1 apps avahi-daemon scrobbler |
| 17:32.13 | franz` | except scrobbler isn't running |
| 17:32.25 | franz` | "start apps/scrobbler" as root works fine though |
| 17:32.44 | franz` | (in b4 jeering at avahi) |
| 17:32.51 | Elleo | rigo: pong? |
| 17:33.07 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: is your .conf file proper? |
| 17:33.15 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe it's not set to run on boot |
| 17:33.36 | itsnotabigtruck | btw is there anything special one has to do in order to put an initscript out of /etc/init/apps? |
| 17:33.47 | itsnotabigtruck | how is sequencing done |
| 17:34.03 | franz` | I think so |
| 17:34.06 | franz` | http://pastebin.com/Ug7j9Ucz it's this |
| 17:34.51 | franz` | wait hmm |
| 17:34.52 | itsnotabigtruck | franz`: ...it doesn't have starton |
| 17:34.54 | franz` | no yeah that might be it |
| 17:34.55 | franz` | lol |
| 17:34.57 | itsnotabigtruck | no wonder it doesn't start lol |
| 17:40.35 | RST38h | "...We put ten cats in and got over a hundred back out. Either this thing multiplies them or it was saving them up until it got here..." |
| 17:42.48 | Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Nope, that's what comes before the telenor video. |
| 17:43.37 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: ah |
| 17:43.47 | itsnotabigtruck | well, poke around in that directory and see if there's any other mp4s or whatnot |
| 17:44.20 | Velmont | No other mp4s it seems :) |
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| 17:45.45 | itsnotabigtruck | weird |
| 17:45.56 | Velmont | http://dpaste.org/bOZ9f/ |
| 17:46.44 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: maybe try grep telenor /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 17:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | and also grep mp4 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*xxx*.list where xxx is your 3 digit variant code |
| 17:47.31 | Anssi138 | 042 |
| 17:48.12 | itsnotabigtruck | Anssi138: hm? lol |
| 17:50.54 | Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Nope and nope. -- Found pictures and stuff, but not the video. |
| 17:51.21 | itsnotabigtruck | odd |
| 17:51.26 | Velmont | But what is normally showing when my phone is showing that logo? |
| 17:55.28 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: normally you get NOKIA (bootloader), then NOKIA again but with a grey rippling background (OS boot) |
| 17:55.37 | itsnotabigtruck | then a spinning indicator (gui boot) |
| 17:55.38 | Velmont | /usr/share $ cat /etc/mwelcome.d/320.conf |
| 17:55.38 | Velmont | [mwelcome] |
| 17:55.38 | Velmont | filename=Telenor_4sec_startup.mp4 |
| 17:55.47 | itsnotabigtruck | there you go |
| 17:55.55 | itsnotabigtruck | should have said to grep -I |
| 17:56.04 | itsnotabigtruck | mwelcome.d eh |
| 17:57.06 | Velmont | Well, actually grep -i didn't show it either. I did grep -i as well. |
| 17:57.16 | Velmont | It's not in a package, trying to find where it lies. |
| 17:57.57 | itsnotabigtruck | hm, interesting |
| 17:58.05 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd have expected it to be in one of the -320 packages |
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| 17:58.52 | Velmont | find / -name "Telenor_4sec_startup.mp4" 2> /dev/null -- doesn'tfind anything either! |
| 17:59.10 | kozzi | mmm xxx and mp4 |
| 17:59.26 | itsnotabigtruck | now that's weird |
| 17:59.30 | itsnotabigtruck | lol kozzi |
| 17:59.41 | itsnotabigtruck | Velmont: do grep 320.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 17:59.52 | itsnotabigtruck | then cat the file that comes up |
| 18:01.19 | Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: Already donnit,-- nothing there except the conf file. And a few other needed things like copyright et al. |
| 18:01.39 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm |
| 18:01.51 | Velmont | http://dpaste.org/xHphs/ |
| 18:02.09 | Velmont | Don'tunderstand where they get that file from. And it has no path either. |
| 18:02.12 | itsnotabigtruck | well that's peculiar |
| 18:02.19 | Velmont | Maybe from within some initrd thingy? |
| 18:03.21 | itsnotabigtruck | but the N9 doesn't actually use an initrd |
| 18:10.54 | franz` | hmm, still not working |
| 18:11.07 | franz` | which is weird since the conf came like that from the deb |
| 18:11.17 | franz` | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/scrobbler-for-maemo-now-both-on-n900-and-n9/ |
| 18:23.34 | rigo | Elleo: does pong mean post ready? |
| 18:24.18 | Elleo | rigo: heh, not yet |
| 18:24.26 | Elleo | well posting in general works, but its not quite ready to be released |
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| 20:04.06 | Anssi138 | kuenx: have you tried to create connection with qt creator. |
| 20:05.11 | franz` | you don't need that, just open the SDK Connection Tool developer mode installed, then ssh developer@phone'sip with the password it gives |
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| 20:25.21 | rigo | itsnotabigtruck, you get lots of funds for big data analysis research in the US, and some privacy research funding in the EU, so this one was financed by the primelife.eu project |
| 20:26.48 | rigo | kuenx, I had the same issue after upgrade. re-installing packages fixed it, but trouble is, I do not remember which |
| 20:29.05 | rigo | look into the archives for a discussion between itsnotabigtruck and me. He and djszapi helped me to fix this |
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| 20:49.41 | kuenx | Anssi138, franz`: I have tried that. I doesn't work either. connection refused. And Qt Creator can't deploy the SSH keys when setting up the device |
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| 20:51.10 | kuenx | rigo: do you think it has something to do with restoring the backup I did with the backup? I made the backup in PR1.1, then flashed it with PR1.2 and then restored the backup |
| 20:52.29 | kuenx | Should I try flashing it again and check if it works? |
| 20:53.14 | kuenx | rigo: I will check the archives |
| 20:53.39 | rigo | I don't think so |
| 20:54.19 | rigo | I rather think it is the PR 1.2 update that overrides some files and if you reinstall the open-ssh packages, it works again |
| 20:56.37 | Anssi138 | kuenx: is the ssh server running on device? |
| 20:58.20 | kuenx | Anssi138: hah! no |
| 20:58.43 | kuenx | Anssi138: How stupid of me not to check this |
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| 20:59.20 | kuenx | Can i start it like on debian? |
| 20:59.24 | kuenx | init.d? |
| 21:01.31 | Anssi138 | does this work: /sbin/initctl start ssh |
| 21:01.51 | Anssi138 | i don't have device here. |
| 21:03.02 | kuenx | It said 'ssh start/running, process 4015'. But ps shows nothing |
| 21:03.45 | Anssi138 | you can try connecting locally. |
| 21:04.09 | kuenx | I might have messed some things things up when following tutorials on how to get SSH access to work again |
| 21:04.19 | kuenx | you mean ssh to 127.0.0.1? |
| 21:04.30 | Anssi138 | ye, or localhost. |
| 21:04.57 | kuenx | connection refused as root |
| 21:05.14 | kuenx | also as user |
| 21:05.21 | Anssi138 | you can start the developer mode and try with that developer user. |
| 21:05.25 | Anssi138 | that should work |
| 21:06.04 | kuenx | nope, developer user also refuses connection |
| 21:06.10 | kuenx | developer mode is on |
| 21:06.49 | itsnotabigtruck | there's some major weirdness related to developer-mode turning ssh on and off |
| 21:06.57 | itsnotabigtruck | if you install openssh-server, it enables ssh |
| 21:07.02 | itsnotabigtruck | then if you install developer-mode it stays enabled |
| 21:07.06 | itsnotabigtruck | then if you remove it, it turns it back off |
| 21:07.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and so on |
| 21:08.20 | kuenx | itsnotabigtruck: Can I just install openssh-server with apt from the nokia repo? |
| 21:08.21 | Anssi138 | there are developer mode start&stop scripts somewhere. those are probably not most robust. |
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| 21:09.10 | Anssi138 | kuenx: so the ssh server is not running? ps -ef | grep ssh |
| 21:09.13 | itsnotabigtruck | kuenx: yeah |
| 21:09.25 | itsnotabigtruck | you can install all the dev mode stuff individually |
| 21:09.33 | itsnotabigtruck | the catch-22 is that it's tricky to do so if dev mode isn't already on |
| 21:09.34 | jabis | with developer mode on devel-su - and passwd user / passwd developr to enable logon |
| 21:10.09 | jabis | *developer even |
| 21:10.37 | kuenx | itsnotabigtruck: openssh-server was already installed |
| 21:11.42 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 21:11.49 | itsnotabigtruck | that wasn't all that related |
| 21:11.55 | itsnotabigtruck | but there's all sorts of ways it can go fubar |
| 21:12.35 | jabis | if you don't set the environment with suffix - with devel-su your root commands won't actually work on most occasions |
| 21:12.53 | jabis | like starting / stopping daemons etc |
| 21:13.02 | itsnotabigtruck | jabis: well, that just has to do with the path, right |
| 21:13.03 | kuenx | *should* developer SSH access work out of the box with a fresh PR1.2? |
| 21:13.16 | itsnotabigtruck | kuenx: as long as you flipped the developer mode switch on, yeah |
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| 21:13.21 | itsnotabigtruck | and use the password from the sdk connectivity tool |
| 21:13.37 | jabis | env variables and paths yes |
| 21:14.49 | itsnotabigtruck | jabis: if you ssh in, /sbin is in the path by default |
| 21:14.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and /usr/sbin |
| 21:14.56 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's not with meego terminal |
| 21:15.32 | kuenx | itsnotabigtruck: ok, I will try to re-flash and see if it works. Then maybe try to enable SSH for user after I got it to work |
| 21:16.36 | itsnotabigtruck | kuenx: weird |
| 21:17.18 | kuenx | Thanks so much for helping everyone. But I think I might have messed up some of the startup scripts when following the numerous 'how to enable ssh' threads without undoing first |
| 21:17.18 | jabis | I just reflashed one 16gb one with 1.2 and developer mode came working about out of the box |
| 21:17.49 | kuenx | jabis: good news. I'll do that |
| 21:17.53 | kuenx | thanks |
| 21:18.00 | itsnotabigtruck | also, just log in as developer |
| 21:18.08 | itsnotabigtruck | no need to set a pass on user |
| 21:18.17 | itsnotabigtruck | you can use devel-su to become user if the need be |
| 21:18.48 | itsnotabigtruck | this ought to work: devel-su -c 'devel-su -s /bin/develsh user -' |
| 21:18.49 | kuenx | devel-su is to become root, isn't it? |
| 21:19.04 | itsnotabigtruck | (use root password) |
| 21:19.15 | kuenx | ok |
| 21:19.26 | kuenx | I got to go |
| 21:19.29 | kuenx | sorry |
| 21:19.33 | kuenx | Thanks so much |
| 21:19.34 | itsnotabigtruck | later |
| 21:20.08 | kuenx | I'll be hanging in here once I got my dev setup working |
| 21:20.12 | kuenx | later |
| 21:26.15 | itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/u7q5d.jpg |
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| 22:18.11 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: yeah, it needs that fuse-utils. but the problem is that harmattan-dev only has fuse-utils 2.8.5maemo5+0m6, but device has libfuse2 2.8.6maemo5+0m7 which is a no-no for that libfuse package |
| 22:19.57 | mankeli | and of course i have inception :-) |
| 22:21.16 | mankeli | of course i could try patching the fuse-utils package to install with newer libfuse2 and cross my fingers that the ABI hasn't changed |
| 22:21.44 | mankeli | but it's little bit too dirty |
| 22:23.22 | mankeli | it would be a temporary fix |
| 22:24.21 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: are you sure they have to match |
| 22:24.53 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, if you have scratchbox, grab the fuse source package from the pr1.2 source iso |
| 22:24.58 | itsnotabigtruck | and build that with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:25.10 | itsnotabigtruck | that'll spit out all the debs for fuse, presumably including fuse-utils then |
| 22:28.23 | mankeli | haven't set up scratchbox yet |
| 22:28.41 | mankeli | altho i should. that madde stuff is kinda awful |
| 22:28.58 | mankeli | what is pr1.2 source iso? |
| 22:34.08 | mankeli | and that fuse-utils package has libfuse (= 2.8.5maemo5+0m6) in dependencies |
| 22:40.06 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: nokia refuses to distribute the gpl-mandated source code through a convenient method, so they send it out on DVDs via snail mail |
| 22:40.15 | itsnotabigtruck | which then get requested by people, imaged, and uploaded |
| 22:40.52 | itsnotabigtruck | it's often the only way to get updated packages that are in sync with anything newer than pr1.0 |
| 22:42.09 | mankeli | oh nice! |
| 22:43.02 | mankeli | i found some big pr1.2 source archive from piratebay, but this is much nicer |
| 22:43.12 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah... |
| 22:43.20 | itsnotabigtruck | once you download it, if you could make a torrent out of it that would be awesome |
| 22:43.28 | itsnotabigtruck | i can't seed because i'm behind a nat i don't control |
| 22:44.00 | mankeli | why nokia doesn't distribute that themselves? |
| 22:47.20 | itsnotabigtruck | i tried to promote making a torrent before but no one can be arsed with such a thing :( |
| 22:47.32 | itsnotabigtruck | mostly because it seems for a lot of people here torrents = piracy and piracy = evil |
| 22:47.44 | itsnotabigtruck | and as for distributing themselves, who knows why |
| 22:48.05 | mankeli | yeah, torrents have gained such a reputation |
| 22:48.12 | itsnotabigtruck | everything about the SDK side of things with harmattan is ass backwards |
| 22:48.15 | mankeli | which is annoying |
| 22:48.21 | itsnotabigtruck | a number of people inside and outside of nokia are pissed off with them |
| 22:48.40 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently they had staff cuts early on but that doesn't excuse how backwards the whole arrangement is |
| 22:48.49 | mankeli | what |
| 22:49.06 | mankeli | ..so what's going on in there? |
| 22:50.33 | mankeli | that fuse package in pr1.2 dvd seems to contain also fuse-utils. weird that they don't have it in their own repo |
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| 22:51.06 | mankeli | since they have libfuse2 which is built from that same source package |
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| 22:51.51 | wook | hey folks, what's last kernel for n950? |
| 22:51.57 | wook | m6 or m7? |
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| 22:53.27 | javispedro | mankeli: http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/n9sources_repo/ |
| 22:54.56 | itsnotabigtruck | wook: m7 |
| 22:55.14 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically, 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 |
| 22:55.52 | itsnotabigtruck | N9 and N950 use the same kernel |
| 22:55.54 | wook | where to get m7? :| all i could find was m6 (OneClickFlasher) |
| 22:56.10 | itsnotabigtruck | wook: what are you trying to do |
| 22:56.21 | wook | mess around :D |
| 22:56.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but (if it's not classified) what are you trying to get at doing |
| 22:56.53 | itsnotabigtruck | first, the +0m7 suffix is just something nokia's build system does |
| 22:56.55 | mankeli | javispedro: thanks, i'm browsing that but also downloading the .iso |
| 22:57.01 | itsnotabigtruck | but the kernel that ends with +0m7 belongs to PR1.2 |
| 22:57.21 | itsnotabigtruck | so if you just want to get that kernel, you should upgrade your entire N950 to PR1.2beta |
| 22:57.25 | itsnotabigtruck | which is the latest released for N950 |
| 22:57.34 | wook | yes, i know that |
| 22:57.43 | wook | but where to get beta pr? |
| 22:57.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it's on the website |
| 22:57.54 | javispedro | mankeli: but you can put that into your sources.list and then use apt-get source to download |
| 22:58.02 | itsnotabigtruck | just google it, you'll have no trouble finding it |
| 22:58.10 | Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: I can create a torrent, seed and post to TPB. |
| 22:58.20 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: that would be awesome |
| 22:58.27 | itsnotabigtruck | probably best off doing the N9 one which is slightly newer |
| 22:58.31 | wook | aaargh :D |
| 22:58.37 | Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: Need to have the files + description because I have no clue and no time/interest to figure it out myself. |
| 22:58.49 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. this one http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2-2/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.ISO |
| 22:59.09 | Tronic | Should I package the .ISO or the contents of it? |
| 22:59.17 | itsnotabigtruck | good question, i'd say do the iso |
| 22:59.29 | wook | itsnotabigtruck, mind if i msg? |
| 22:59.32 | itsnotabigtruck | definitely don't do it like the old torrent, which had all the filenames mangled into 8.3 frormat |
| 22:59.37 | itsnotabigtruck | wook: yeah, don't ask, just do it |
| 22:59.41 | Tronic | Is it a bootable image or something? If plain files, I suppose the files themselves would be preferred. |
| 22:59.55 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: it's a whole bunch of DSC and TAR.GZ files, not bootable |
| 23:00.27 | itsnotabigtruck | publishing the whole thing forces people to download the whole thing en bloc and therefore be able to seed properly |
| 23:00.44 | Tronic | That's not really an issue. |
| 23:01.04 | Tronic | People generally download entire torrents, especially if they are going to stay around seeding it, anyway. |
| 23:01.25 | Tronic | ... but it sucks having to unpack stuff after downloading. |
| 23:01.58 | Tronic | Some (scene) idiots even post rars or zipped rars within torrents instead of the extracted contents. |
| 23:02.37 | Tronic | So, what should I write in torrent description? |
| 23:03.20 | Tronic | 3 minutes to finish download. |
| 23:06.53 | mankeli | javispedro: i don't have scratchbox installed |
| 23:10.18 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: /me shrugs |
| 23:10.46 | itsnotabigtruck | Nokia N9 Public Source Code - PR1.2 (30.blahblah) |
| 23:10.56 | itsnotabigtruck | + a blurb about it being useful for developers |
| 23:11.19 | itsnotabigtruck | Use Harmattan Platform SDK <http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/platform-sdk/> to build packages. |
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| 23:20.21 | villager | hmm, I just booted up my n950 after something like half a year (been too busy), but it doesn't seem to be any obvious way to upgrade it to pr1.2 |
| 23:26.17 | villager | grbl, took a lot of googling to find anything newer than pr1.1 |
| 23:36.25 | itsnotabigtruck | villager: it's not that hard to find :p |
| 23:36.29 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, you want the PR1.2 beta |
| 23:36.35 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the latest public n950 firmware |
| 23:40.51 | javispedro | feels the need to enter the arcane world of Xlib again |
| 23:41.53 | Tronic | TPB is being a little slow today (nothing new). |
| 23:42.24 | Tronic | Perhaps it also dislikes adding the full file list to torrent description. |
| 23:57.06 | villager | itsnotabigtruck: seems to be for me... the harmattan-dev.nokia.com front page only links to pr1.1, and very few google results point to anything other than "it's here!" articles or the pr1.1 page |
| 23:57.18 | villager | but I found it at last I guess |
| 23:57.47 | itsnotabigtruck | Tronic: putting the full file list in the description? |
| 23:57.56 | itsnotabigtruck | there's hundreds of files :O |
| 23:58.03 | itsnotabigtruck | if the user wants to find the file list they can grab the torrent and view it |
