| 00:00.16 | villager | itsnotabigtruck: but I didn't see any pr1.2 beta, I'm flashing the regular pr1.2 image for n950 |
| 00:01.40 | itsnotabigtruck | villager: the only one that's available is the beta...but it's almost identical to the final 1.2 |
| 00:02.06 | itsnotabigtruck | the beta is 2012-W02-6 |
| 00:02.35 | itsnotabigtruck | final is 2012-W07-1 |
| 00:05.50 | Tronic | itsnotabigtruck: People may google for individual packages and so they could find TPB. But torrent search engines will display those lists anyway... |
| 00:06.22 | villager | the page says nothing about beta, just Harmattan 1.2 (3.2012.02-6, released 2012-01-25)... file name seems to be Linux_OCF_02-6_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin |
| 00:07.34 | Tronic | http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7162952 |
| 00:08.25 | itsnotabigtruck | nice |
| 00:08.31 | itsnotabigtruck | @everyone if you can, seed it! |
| 00:12.56 | villager | I'm not sure how to do that... would I download the file from that url first? |
| 00:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Doenload the few tens of K torrent file. |
| 00:14.01 | SpeedEvil | Then point your favourite torrent client at it |
| 00:14.07 | villager | (otherwise my computer has 24/7 connectivity with high-speed cable connection so seeding is no problem) |
| 00:15.28 | merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: eh why do you need seeds for that |
| 00:15.57 | merlin1991 | it's on docs server, here aswell: http://merlin1991.at/harmattan/PR1.2/30.2012.03-5_sources.iso |
| 00:16.00 | villager | SpeedEvil: yeah but when I looked at that page, nobody else had that file, so I thought the torrent client wouldn't be able to get it |
| 00:16.25 | villager | looks like now someone else is seeding though |
| 00:17.54 | villager | not downloading, though, so perhaps that url is still a better idea? or? |
| 00:18.51 | merlin1991 | hm seems that that file is actually newer |
| 00:18.58 | villager | oh well, who cares, I'll just leave the torrent client up for fun |
| 00:20.29 | Tronic | A lot of peers connecting, no-one is downloading anything. I wonder WTF. |
| 00:20.53 | SpeedEvil | You don't have the parts they want. |
| 00:20.56 | Tronic | Tested myself that downloading to another host works. |
| 00:21.06 | Tronic | Ummh, I seeding. |
| 00:21.16 | Tronic | *I am |
| 00:21.51 | sahib_ | 0 bytes so far, download doesn't seem to take off for some reason... |
| 00:22.20 | Tronic | 4.0 MB uploaded (to my other server) |
| 00:23.22 | xXxdevilxXx | but why are u guys torrenting? |
| 00:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: thanks for stopping that piratebay madness |
| 00:23.44 | xXxdevilxXx | better to place it onto some really fast shell or something like that |
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| 00:23.52 | xXxdevilxXx | slice it into parts.... |
| 00:24.21 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: when did this iso come out? |
| 00:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | which one? |
| 00:25.22 | merlin1991 | the pr1.2 |
| 00:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | btw "come out" is not the right term here, both ISO are from people who received DVD from Nokia |
| 00:26.00 | merlin1991 | yea, but you get what I mean :D |
| 00:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | and the filename is what I got told was either written on the disk or the actual name of the disk or files on it |
| 00:27.30 | Tronic | Switched qBittorrent to Transmission, now seeding is actually working. |
| 00:28.41 | itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: well, the idea is to have something more redundant |
| 00:28.56 | Tronic | Albeit, only 40 kB/s upload rate at the moment. You guys must have super slow Internet connections or there is some problem... |
| 00:29.02 | itsnotabigtruck | and torrents are great for any sort of large file |
| 00:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 00:29.14 | itsnotabigtruck | it's good to counteract the perception that they're only for large pirate files |
| 00:29.30 | Tronic | Also great for transferring directory trees. |
| 00:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | but WTF do you need to refer to a piratebay URL to point others to a particular file? |
| 00:29.48 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, one could copy-paste the magnet uri |
| 00:29.58 | itsnotabigtruck | besides, what's so bad about the pirate bay |
| 00:30.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a site, it is what you use it for |
| 00:30.07 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: What's wrong with using a TPB URL? |
| 00:30.13 | merlin1991 | itsnotabigtruck: because there are http hosts for this |
| 00:30.18 | merlin1991 | no need for torrents |
| 00:30.37 | merlin1991 | it's on docs host, mine, and possibly others aswell |
| 00:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | TPB comsidered highly illegal |
| 00:30.47 | itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: but torrents can be faster and don't have a single point of failure |
| 00:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | so I prefer it's not mentioned in this chan |
| 00:31.11 | merlin1991 | well beat my or docs upload and also 2 points isn't single point ;) |
| 00:32.00 | Tronic | Besides, you could always use https://www.google.com/search?q=filetype:torrent+metallica |
| 00:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, if you get any less than full speed of what *your* downstream allows when DL the file from my server, PRETTY PLEASE let me know! |
| 00:32.27 | Tronic | So, unless you want also Google not being mentioned on this channel, I don't really get the point. |
| 00:32.41 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not considered highly legal whereever it's being hosted now :p |
| 00:32.46 | itsnotabigtruck | er, highly illegal |
| 00:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: you already got the point |
| 00:33.11 | itsnotabigtruck | like i said before, it is what you do with it |
| 00:33.18 | itsnotabigtruck | in this case what you do with it is redistribute a legit iso |
| 00:33.19 | itsnotabigtruck | so yeah |
| 00:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to understand that TPB is not the right URL to refer to legal torrents? OK, I define TPB URLs a ban'able word in this chan |
| 00:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | find a better way! Tronic already used one, even to point to an "illegal" torrent |
| 00:36.22 | xXxdevilxXx | guys, what's the problem? |
| 00:36.49 | xXxdevilxXx | isn't it better to slice iso into .zips and upload it like that? |
| 00:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm all for torrents (though not really needed here) - I don't like that particular site/URL used in any context here |
| 00:37.59 | xXxdevilxXx | the pirate bay is not illegal thing, and don't have anything to do with illegal things... |
| 00:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe in your book |
| 00:38.50 | virtuald | gets the popcorn |
| 00:38.52 | xXxdevilxXx | sue them for illegality... |
| 00:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | no, I rather kick you. Way simpler and more direct action. I don't mind what they do, I mind what is done in this channel. If you don't get that, you're a basket |
| 00:40.35 | xXxdevilxXx | owh, i will be soooooooo, soooo hurt if you kick me out |
| 00:40.37 | xXxdevilxXx | lol |
| 00:40.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'd rather you not get so worked up all the time |
| 00:40.48 | itsnotabigtruck | (and everyone else too, sheesh) |
| 00:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'm completely relaxed |
| 00:41.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it's quite apparent >_> |
| 00:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | just a bit astonished about some people's lack of understanding simple contexts |
| 00:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | chanop says: torrent OK, particular URL not OK. period. |
| 00:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | no further discussion needed |
| 00:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | just to remind you: there are IRC policies that forbid posting ANY URL. Not that I'd even consider to apply such policy here |
| 00:46.09 | wook | omG, lol, dude, where's your power off button? :D |
| 00:48.17 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: didn't see that one |
| 00:48.21 | virtuald | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/007/445/pancake_bunny.jpg?1249339142 |
| 00:48.21 | merlin1991 | is it a freenode policy? |
| 00:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | one a number of chan, yes |
| 00:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | virtuald: is this any related? |
| 00:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | if yes, then please give some context explaining what we will see when we bother to look at that URL. If not then please explain why you're going OT |
| 00:49.59 | virtuald | yes. this is oolong. he balances stuff on his head. |
| 00:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | ok, thanks. So I don't have to visit that page, just to learn I'm not interested in it |
| 00:51.49 | virtuald | lighten up, everyone loves cut animals. |
| 00:52.03 | virtuald | oh |
| 00:52.16 | virtuald | cute animals. :D |
| 00:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | i love cut animal and to cut animals ;-) |
| 00:53.16 | virtuald | some may prefer them cut but that's just nasty |
| 00:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | at least when it's some 250g from Argentina, medium |
| 00:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Mmmm |
| 00:55.24 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't had a good steak in a while. |
| 00:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | though my friend Werner Almesberger thinks I'm a sissy, real men don't do it under 500g. He should know, he lives in Argentina ;-D |
| 00:57.30 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 00:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | Eat until you're comfortably full. |
| 00:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Eat too much and you're just ruining the experience. |
| 00:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | :-D indeed |
| 00:58.22 | virtuald | i used to be the one saying stuff like that. it's not an argument. |
| 01:00.10 | virtuald | so lets all grep hands around the campfibre and sing we shall overcome |
| 01:01.23 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer: I just cooked beef fillet pepper steaks with friends a few hours ago. I think I ate almost half a kilo, all medium minus :) |
| 01:01.38 | Tronic | Finnish, though, not Argentinan. |
| 01:02.22 | Tronic | So good :) |
| 01:08.54 | virtuald | beef is like 98% human |
| 01:09.30 | virtuald | eat me |
| 01:10.16 | virtuald | 8-) |
| 01:11.01 | javispedro | man, I want to visit Finland some day |
| 01:11.42 | javispedro | (totally unrelated comment of the day ;) ) |
| 01:13.11 | merlin1991 | yep finland is on my to visit list aswell :) |
| 01:14.16 | itsnotabigtruck | https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/us/police-tracking-of-cellphones-raises-privacy-fears.html?_r=1 :/ |
| 01:14.51 | javispedro | so please shutdown your personal tracking devices |
| 01:15.07 | javispedro | you know, before the N900, I was pretty much a cell phone free person :( |
| 01:17.01 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: in this case the revelation is that the cell phone companies supply the info warrant or not, for a fee |
| 01:17.49 | javispedro | even worse =( |
| 01:19.35 | javispedro | in any case, it's starting to become somewhat of an habit that every move towards privacy produces an equal opposite reaction |
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| 01:41.47 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: you were complaining about glue? :) I had to add 11k lines of code for some kind of weird Xlib glue I still don't fully understand |
| 01:41.55 | javispedro | s/glue/boilerplate |
| 01:42.25 | javispedro | THAT is arcane =) |
| 01:45.48 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: hah |
| 01:45.57 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i don't think i've heard anything good about xlib at all |
| 01:46.10 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't there a more modern wrapper api for it though |
| 01:46.12 | itsnotabigtruck | can't you use that? |
| 01:46.48 | javispedro | sadly not :( |
| 01:46.59 | itsnotabigtruck | xcb |
| 01:47.01 | javispedro | they have not yet rewritten "this" part on top of xcb |
| 01:47.04 | javispedro | yeah |
| 01:47.07 | itsnotabigtruck | ah :( |
| 01:47.22 | javispedro | XIM |
| 01:53.00 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: hmmm...looking that up, might you be able to ditch XIM and go with SCIM or one of the other new shiny replacements for it |
| 01:53.35 | javispedro | SCIM is on top of XIM |
| 01:53.48 | javispedro | (the 11k lines of glue come from them =) ) |
| 01:54.10 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: but isn't that in the library? so that doesn't count as your glue code |
| 01:56.08 | javispedro | Good question, but I just looked and they do not export those symbols seemingly |
| 01:56.40 | javispedro | in any case the glue was in .a very nicely apart (Ximdkit), so not complaining |
| 01:57.42 | javispedro | oh ( http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/unsupported/lib/IMdkit/ ) =) |
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| 02:26.04 | itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: did flashing your phone go OK? |
| 02:26.09 | itsnotabigtruck | and did you get inception? |
| 02:26.27 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, thank you for asking |
| 02:26.43 | sigmaorion | I had no time at all and now I'm just about to flash it! |
| 02:27.01 | sigmaorion | just waiting for the battery level to raise over about 50% |
| 02:27.12 | itsnotabigtruck | oh lol :p |
| 02:27.22 | sigmaorion | after flashing it I will try to incept it |
| 02:28.31 | sigmaorion | so, now that we are talking about it... any advice before flashing? lol! |
| 02:28.48 | itsnotabigtruck | well, just make sure you back up all your stuff :p |
| 02:29.24 | sigmaorion | yeap, done! |
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| 02:29.49 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently the built in backup doesn't back up sms and a bunch of people have been bit by that |
| 02:30.37 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, and remember to flash with 001 so you get pr1.3 right off the bat |
| 02:30.47 | sigmaorion | why would the backup app backup sms? I wouldnt expect it to do it... |
| 02:30.54 | sigmaorion | PR1.3??? |
| 02:31.00 | itsnotabigtruck | why wouldn't it, it's user data |
| 02:31.06 | sigmaorion | is there a 1.3 release?? |
| 02:31.07 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the one that comes after pr1.2 :p |
| 02:31.11 | itsnotabigtruck | it isn't out yet |
| 02:31.31 | sigmaorion | oooh, I thought it was already out! lol! |
| 02:31.33 | itsnotabigtruck | it's being worked on, no idea when it's actually coming out but the word on the street is that it's close |
| 02:32.04 | sigmaorion | and what new stuff will it bring? |
| 02:32.17 | itsnotabigtruck | not much, fix bugs mostly |
| 02:32.37 | sigmaorion | oh, ok... is PR1.2 too buggy? |
| 02:32.39 | itsnotabigtruck | and you'll want to wait for my inception patch |
| 02:32.50 | sigmaorion | sure I will! |
| 02:32.51 | itsnotabigtruck | it's no buggier than pr1.1, generally |
| 02:33.02 | sigmaorion | it's good, then |
| 02:33.13 | sigmaorion | I didn't find many bugs in pr1.1 |
| 02:33.28 | itsnotabigtruck | there's quite a few...but not everyone runs into them |
| 02:33.30 | sigmaorion | not that I've been looking for them anyway |
| 02:33.43 | sigmaorion | yeah, I didn't, lol! |
| 02:34.12 | itsnotabigtruck | one thing to be advised of, don't put harmattan-dev.nokia.com in your apt repositories |
| 02:34.16 | itsnotabigtruck | or any other unsigned apt repos |
| 02:34.17 | sigmaorion | I know that I've found a couple, but they were not important at all and didn't bother me too much, so I can't remember them |
| 02:34.19 | itsnotabigtruck | pr1.2 broke those |
| 02:34.35 | itsnotabigtruck | also, don't try booting the 'rescue kernel' on pr1.2 unless you're using open mode to begin with |
| 02:34.48 | itsnotabigtruck | if you boot into open mode once you do so every time until a reflash, starting with pr1.2 |
| 02:34.55 | sigmaorion | rescue kernel? I dont even know what it is, lol! |
| 02:35.04 | itsnotabigtruck | then you shouldn't need to worry |
| 02:35.14 | sigmaorion | but just curious... |
| 02:35.20 | sigmaorion | what is that thing? |
| 02:35.31 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a kernel that makes your rootfs a mass storage device |
| 02:35.39 | itsnotabigtruck | so you can unscrew your N9 without reflashing |
| 02:35.54 | sigmaorion | interesting! |
| 02:36.06 | itsnotabigtruck | but booting it puts you into open mode, and that means you need to reflash anyway much of the time |
| 02:36.08 | sigmaorion | if I had enough time I could have serious fun! |
| 02:36.14 | itsnotabigtruck | before pr1.2 you could boot back out of open mode and all was well |
| 02:36.38 | sigmaorion | what is to put you into open mode? |
| 02:36.43 | itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't seem to work consistently so that's a problem too |
| 02:37.03 | itsnotabigtruck | open mode = what you go into when you boot something untrusted |
| 02:37.26 | itsnotabigtruck | it displays a rather scary warning and locks out some aegis-related stuff |
| 02:37.34 | itsnotabigtruck | however it also lets you get around aegis without inception |
| 02:37.46 | itsnotabigtruck | but inception is a lot more convenient than open mode |
| 02:37.54 | sigmaorion | I see... |
| 02:38.03 | sigmaorion | thanks for your advices!! |
| 02:38.14 | sigmaorion | where can I read about all that stuff? |
| 02:38.38 | sigmaorion | I have time to read when I'm in my travel to work and back (1 hour travel by bus in each direction) |
| 02:38.38 | itsnotabigtruck | most of it's scattered around in various places on tmo |
| 02:39.04 | sigmaorion | I'd like to do some reading about low level details |
| 02:39.39 | sigmaorion | I mean, starting from N9s' hardware to its OS details |
| 02:39.54 | sigmaorion | so that I can really understand |
| 02:40.53 | itsnotabigtruck | well, there's no one place to find that info |
| 02:41.08 | sigmaorion | but it's all there scattered... |
| 02:41.28 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, write a book!!! lol! |
| 02:41.33 | itsnotabigtruck | o.O |
| 02:41.40 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, what actual sort of info are you looking for |
| 02:41.57 | sigmaorion | not really sure, actually |
| 02:42.05 | itsnotabigtruck | like if you're writing an app and need some help in a particular area i could point you in the right direction (maybe) |
| 02:42.19 | sigmaorion | let me try to explain... |
| 02:42.20 | itsnotabigtruck | otherwise it's kinda hard to help |
| 02:43.13 | sigmaorion | I have used Linux for years in PCs and I have a good idea of PCs hardware, so I have read about Linux kernel, and so on... |
| 02:43.36 | sigmaorion | so, I can have a big picture about how a Linux runs on a PC |
| 02:43.50 | sigmaorion | when I come to the N9, there are a lot of differences |
| 02:44.18 | itsnotabigtruck | not as many as one might think, besides the usual embedded stuff |
| 02:44.31 | sigmaorion | start with the bootloader, for example |
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| 02:44.52 | sigmaorion | I have no idea on how it works, and which one is it... is it closed, open source? |
| 02:44.57 | itsnotabigtruck | what about it? it's closed |
| 02:45.03 | itsnotabigtruck | it does the usual bootloader stuff and loads the kernel |
| 02:45.11 | itsnotabigtruck | which is stored on its own NAND partition, not in /boot |
| 02:45.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it's some nokia proprietary thing called nolo |
| 02:45.35 | itsnotabigtruck | not like uboot or redboot or whatever |
| 02:45.37 | sigmaorion | nolo? |
| 02:45.46 | sigmaorion | have never heard about it |
| 02:45.47 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, Nokia Omap LOader |
| 02:45.52 | itsnotabigtruck | or maybe NOkia LOader |
| 02:46.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that's because only maemo devices use it |
| 02:46.25 | sigmaorion | and then, the aegis stuff... |
| 02:46.35 | sigmaorion | I have no idea of how that works, lol! |
| 02:46.47 | sigmaorion | anyway, Nokia gives out a lot of information about it |
| 02:46.50 | itsnotabigtruck | how it works, or how to use it |
| 02:47.03 | itsnotabigtruck | there's some decent info on the nokia site, though it's very opaque if you don't already know about it |
| 02:47.14 | sigmaorion | yeap, exactly! |
| 02:47.26 | sigmaorion | if you don't already know about it, it's hard to start... |
| 02:47.36 | sigmaorion | that is what exactly happened to me |
| 02:47.55 | sigmaorion | I read a little bit and stoped |
| 02:48.22 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide.html |
| 02:48.25 | itsnotabigtruck | this one is OK |
| 02:48.32 | sigmaorion | but I was asking beacuse, maybe, there was one place to read about everything |
| 02:49.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i've had it in the back of my head to try writing a wiki page or something but that sort of thing takes a long time |
| 02:49.06 | sigmaorion | yeap, I guess there was where I started reading |
| 02:49.19 | sigmaorion | that's a lot of work!!! |
| 02:49.32 | itsnotabigtruck | the basic concept is fairly simple, really |
| 02:49.55 | itsnotabigtruck | on linux, most people think in terms of root or not root, but there's actually a lot of gradations in between |
| 02:50.03 | itsnotabigtruck | because of linux capabilities |
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| 02:50.14 | itsnotabigtruck | each capability represents a power of the root user |
| 02:50.38 | itsnotabigtruck | the idea is that it's possible to give an app only a subset of root powers to keep things secure |
| 02:50.49 | itsnotabigtruck | however on normal linux it isn't used much |
| 02:51.03 | sigmaorion | yeap, I never used it in my PC |
| 02:51.13 | sigmaorion | not seen it much around |
| 02:51.14 | itsnotabigtruck | the major part of aegis is a scheme for assigning those capabilities |
| 02:51.30 | itsnotabigtruck | and deciding which capabilities should be assigned based on the "manifest" in the .deb |
| 02:51.49 | sigmaorion | but how would you assign those "privileges" to your app? |
| 02:51.55 | itsnotabigtruck | it can assign some other stuff besides capabilities, too |
| 02:52.15 | itsnotabigtruck | you write an xml file and put it at debian/packagename.aegis before you build your package |
| 02:52.38 | itsnotabigtruck | well, that's how you do it if you build the debian package the traditional way, it's different if you use qt creator or other things |
| 02:53.23 | sigmaorion | and what is you cross-compile an app and just want to copy the exacutable to /bin, for example |
| 02:53.25 | sigmaorion | ? |
| 02:53.28 | itsnotabigtruck | however, the major problem with aegis is that instead of giving the power to the people, it mostly exists to protect the user from the phone |
| 02:53.35 | itsnotabigtruck | er, whoops |
| 02:53.39 | itsnotabigtruck | protect the phone from the user |
| 02:53.47 | itsnotabigtruck | rather than protect the user from badguys |
| 02:54.02 | sigmaorion | lol!!! everybody would be afraid of their own phone! |
| 02:54.10 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 02:54.14 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, as a consequence of that it doesn't let you just request any privilege you want |
| 02:54.31 | itsnotabigtruck | what inception does is give you a way to install an app that does let it just request any privilege it wants |
| 02:54.59 | sigmaorion | of course you must know exactly what you are installing |
| 02:55.20 | itsnotabigtruck | right, which is why you shouldn't incept indiscriminately |
| 02:55.25 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's not that much of a risk |
| 02:55.27 | sigmaorion | anyway, are there really dangerous apps around for harmattan? |
| 02:55.33 | itsnotabigtruck | no, not really |
| 02:55.54 | itsnotabigtruck | a few store apps have ads in them, that's about the upper bound of questionable apps |
| 02:56.06 | sigmaorion | besides, I don't have any secret information in my phone, hehe |
| 02:56.07 | itsnotabigtruck | and those aren't the sort of thing that needs inception |
| 02:56.19 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a much greater risk that somebody might put together a poorly made package that screws up your phone |
| 02:56.25 | itsnotabigtruck | that was not that uncommon with N900 |
| 02:56.36 | itsnotabigtruck | lots of amateurs who didn't know that much about debian packaging |
| 02:56.58 | itsnotabigtruck | but that hasn't really happened that often |
| 02:57.20 | sigmaorion | yeap... but, if I'm installing non official stuff in my phone, I'm ready to flash, just in case! |
| 02:57.52 | itsnotabigtruck | yep. so anyway, that's pretty much what aegis is all about |
| 02:58.01 | itsnotabigtruck | - determine whether a package is allowed to ask for the privilege |
| 02:58.09 | itsnotabigtruck | - store the privileges that were asked for |
| 02:58.15 | sigmaorion | and talking about being ready to flash, my phone is pretty close to 100% |
| 02:58.16 | itsnotabigtruck | - when the app is run, activate those privileges |
| 02:58.34 | sigmaorion | (my wife's calling for diner!! I'll be back in half an hour!) |
| 02:58.51 | itsnotabigtruck | later |
| 02:58.59 | sigmaorion | cya later! |
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| 04:56.56 | sigmaorion | is flashing pr1.2 at this very moment |
| 05:00.22 | sigmaorion | SUCCESS!!! |
| 05:00.52 | sigmaorion | is already enjoying! |
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| 05:02.30 | itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: cool |
| 05:04.00 | sigmaorion | yeap!! changing to english... I hate translations! |
| 05:04.40 | sigmaorion | it was pretty fast to flah a 1GB image!!! |
| 05:08.39 | sigmaorion | and it kept my emails accounts and inboxes!!!! |
| 05:08.43 | sigmaorion | it rocks!! |
| 05:23.57 | sigmaorion | well, gotta go to bed... |
| 05:24.07 | sigmaorion | see you, itsnotabigtrack |
| 05:24.25 | sigmaorion | many thanks for your advices and your flashing guide! |
| 05:24.31 | sigmaorion | ;) |
| 05:29.18 | auenf | awesome, mail doesnt open since updating to PR1.2 |
| 05:34.04 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: congratulations, you just ran into one of the many problems with doing the SSU instead of flashing |
| 05:34.29 | auenf | OTA |
| 05:34.46 | itsnotabigtruck | the "ota upgrade" is called an ssu |
| 05:35.03 | auenf | ok, i cant access the settings of some accounts |
| 05:35.07 | auenf | so that seems to be the issue |
| 05:36.45 | auenf | hmm, how can i remove accounts :/ |
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| 08:26.27 | djszapi | Hey! Does anybody know here how to set up badges on the Qt Developer Network page ? It shows me a blank page, if I click on the "Badge settings" on the left side of the "Edit profile" menu. |
| 08:29.56 | tomma | maybe you haven't earned any badges? |
| 08:33.00 | djszapi | well, I should have a few in fact :-) |
| 08:33.21 | djszapi | pretty much almost everything I saw out there so far. |
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| 08:35.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i should now be eligible for delicious delicious karma transfer |
| 08:35.52 | itsnotabigtruck | from tmo to midgard |
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| 10:54.56 | MFaro-Tusino | can someone help me with a command? |
| 10:55.09 | MFaro-Tusino | Trying to get a desktop file to execute a shell script |
| 10:55.32 | MFaro-Tusino | I have Exec=/usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user -l '/usr/bin/meego-terminal -n -e sh /home/user/.BatteryWidget/percent.sh' but thanks to aegis, the files are given root permissions |
| 10:55.50 | MFaro-Tusino | is there a way to run this as root without needing to input pass each time |
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| 11:07.37 | mankeli | MFaro-Tusino: you could try setuid |
| 11:08.09 | MFaro-Tusino | in the manifest? |
| 11:09.02 | mankeli | no, set the flag to percent.sh |
| 11:09.07 | Anssi138 | what about ssh'ing root@localhost 'stuff' |
| 11:09.31 | MFaro-Tusino | but i will still need to input the password no? |
| 11:10.06 | MFaro-Tusino | Mankeli : How would I set the flag? sorry, still new at this tuff |
| 11:10.07 | Anssi138 | well if you set ssh keys you should be able to to just login i think |
| 11:10.09 | MFaro-Tusino | *stuff |
| 11:10.51 | mankeli | hopefully the root ssh access disabled, especially if there's no password set :) |
| 11:11.20 | Anssi138 | at least with std passwd :) |
| 11:11.49 | mankeli | MFaro-Tusino: try chmod 4555 percent.sh |
| 11:12.02 | mankeli | and then chown file to root:root |
| 11:12.10 | mankeli | at least that's what works on normal linux |
| 11:12.23 | MFaro-Tusino | But i will need to do it manually each time the app is installed |
| 11:14.31 | Anssi138 | that's quite nasty anyway. |
| 11:15.47 | MFaro-Tusino | can I change the exec option of the desktop file to run in through aegis-exec without parsing through the user component? |
| 11:16.02 | MFaro-Tusino | eg Exec=/usr/bin/aegis-exec -l '/usr/bin/meego-terminal -n -e sh /home/user/.BatteryWidget/percent.sh' |
| 11:16.53 | mankeli | why do you need aegis-exec anyway |
| 11:17.24 | MFaro-Tusino | Not sure, just saw it on some development forum |
| 11:17.33 | MFaro-Tusino | it has worked for me |
| 11:17.48 | MFaro-Tusino | it is just now that i have packaged it, i am getting this permission issue |
| 11:18.34 | mankeli | well you should be able to install root uid files with packages |
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| 11:18.55 | MFaro-Tusino | Thats the thing, it does install with root uid |
| 11:19.02 | djszapi|windows | so any python gurus here ? :) |
| 11:19.04 | djszapi|windows | thp: ? :p |
| 11:19.16 | MFaro-Tusino | but when i did my app initially, i just cp'd all the files into place |
| 11:19.25 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: ? :) |
| 11:19.32 | MFaro-Tusino | so it is done assuming user permission |
| 11:19.47 | mankeli | ah |
| 11:19.51 | diorahman | anyone know how to call Accounts-UI interface? |
| 11:19.57 | mankeli | i misunderstood |
| 11:20.13 | diorahman | is there a convenience class just like ShareUiInterface? |
| 11:21.33 | diorahman | maybe this one? ./usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.AccountsUI.service |
| 11:25.32 | MFaro-Tusino | Mankeli: Any idea how i can do it? |
| 11:26.25 | merlin1991 | djszapi|windows: here now |
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| 11:30.04 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: http://paste.kde.org/452756/ |
| 11:30.10 | djszapi|windows | http://paste.kde.org/452762/ |
| 11:30.27 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: long story short, we switched to python 3.2 from 2.7 recently for the KDE Windows project. |
| 11:30.31 | djszapi|windows | so it is probably due to that |
| 11:30.40 | djszapi|windows | (worked before) |
| 11:30.54 | merlin1991 | hehe 2.7 -> 3.2 is an evil switch :) |
| 11:31.02 | merlin1991 | anything 2.x -> 3.x is evil :D |
| 11:31.06 | djszapi|windows | I know |
| 11:31.16 | djszapi|windows | I removed python from my arch machine |
| 11:31.27 | djszapi|windows | since they have been shipping python3 since the day first |
| 11:31.38 | djszapi|windows | at any rate...do you see the issue ? |
| 11:32.17 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: just out of the curiosity, is it a more painful change than qt3 -> qt4 ? |
| 11:32.29 | merlin1991 | I never experienced that change |
| 11:32.44 | djszapi|windows | right there are still softwares not recovered from that qt major change. |
| 11:32.53 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: anyway...ideas ? :-) |
| 11:33.37 | merlin1991 | you need to encode the string as bytes |
| 11:33.53 | djszapi|windows | has zero clue about python (TM) |
| 11:34.33 | merlin1991 | fp.write(('#define CHECKSUM "%s"\n' % sm).encode('utf-8')) |
| 11:34.43 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: just in case python3 ? |
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| 11:37.56 | merlin1991 | djszapi|windows: alternatively you can give it a default encoding when opening the file pointer --> fp = open(sys.argv[3], "wb", encoding='utf-8') |
| 11:38.34 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: just in case python3 ? |
| 11:38.41 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 11:38.42 | djszapi|windows | or will that work for both ? |
| 11:38.56 | merlin1991 | uh dunno if it works for both |
| 11:39.03 | merlin1991 | and I just realized I told you foobar |
| 11:39.11 | djszapi|windows | it would be nice if I do not need to do things conditionally. |
| 11:39.17 | djszapi|windows | some solution which works for both... |
| 11:39.17 | merlin1991 | because if you have a 'b' in the filemode it does not do encodings at all for you |
| 11:39.47 | merlin1991 | the problem is that strings in pyhton3 are not strings in python2 |
| 11:39.56 | merlin1991 | and pyhton3 has the idea of "binary strings" |
| 11:40.13 | djszapi|windows | so only "ifdef" like solution ? Is there such a thing in python codes btw ? |
| 11:40.32 | djszapi|windows | not preprocessor obviously, but some runtime stuff |
| 11:40.37 | diorahman | hum |
| 11:41.04 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: most of the linux users use python2, and some of them plus kde-windows use python3. |
| 11:41.08 | djszapi|windows | so it /has/ to work with both. |
| 11:41.28 | merlin1991 | well you can check for the python version on runtime |
| 11:41.42 | djszapi|windows | inside the python file ? |
| 11:41.44 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 11:41.48 | djszapi|windows | how ? |
| 11:41.58 | merlin1991 | if sys.hexversion > 0x03000000 |
| 11:42.10 | merlin1991 | but let me test first if it works on both |
| 11:42.15 | merlin1991 | (got python2 and 3 installed here) |
| 11:42.23 | djszapi|windows | right |
| 11:45.53 | merlin1991 | using .encode works on both |
| 11:46.12 | merlin1991 | but why do you need binary write mode on the file in the first place? |
| 11:47.17 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: no clue, not my project |
| 11:47.30 | djszapi|windows | if they need, I accept it, and adopt the feature to python3. |
| 11:47.33 | djszapi|windows | that is all. |
| 11:47.46 | merlin1991 | I don't see a point why they would need it :D |
| 11:48.04 | merlin1991 | becuase without binary mode it would work on pyhton3 without changes :D |
| 11:48.15 | djszapi|windows | yes |
| 11:48.19 | djszapi|windows | if it was text thingie |
| 11:48.31 | djszapi|windows | let me do a git blame |
| 11:49.21 | djszapi|windows | more than years ago :-) |
| 11:50.02 | merlin1991 | you can either add an explicit encode line to each write or just change the file mode form wb to w |
| 11:50.15 | merlin1991 | both solutions work on 2.x and 3.x |
| 11:50.48 | djszapi|windows | well, encoding seems to be a workaround |
| 11:50.57 | djszapi|windows | and I can CC the original author |
| 11:51.05 | djszapi|windows | I would not like to change this "feature" even if it is a bug |
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| 11:53.47 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: to me it seems it should be text |
| 11:53.54 | djszapi|windows | since it generates C++ style thingie |
| 11:53.56 | merlin1991 | to me aswell |
| 11:54.03 | djszapi|windows | C/C++ |
| 11:54.16 | djszapi|windows | well, let me try to build it |
| 11:54.28 | djszapi|windows | it seems an abandoned stuff anyway |
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| 11:54.36 | djszapi|windows | last commit 3 years ago |
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| 11:59.15 | djszapi|windows | merlin1991: ok, I pushed, thanks |
| 11:59.27 | merlin1991 | yw |
| 11:59.29 | djszapi|windows | if it is not okay, someone is gonna shot me |
| 12:01.23 | merlin1991 | better lrn2doge bullets ;) |
| 12:01.44 | djszapi|windows | fair enough :) |
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| 12:20.04 | diorahman | anyone could help on this: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?234626-How-to-Launch-Accounts-UI-(just-like-MeeIn) |
| 12:22.33 | MohammadAG | mankeli: I am |
| 12:22.45 | MohammadAG | I have an idling i5 |
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| 12:25.14 | khertan | Hi all ! |
| 12:31.35 | xmlich02 | ja budu pracovat, ju? |
| 12:31.38 | xmlich02 | sry |
| 12:31.41 | xmlich02 | bad window |
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| 13:07.15 | wook | sorry for bit stupid question, but, how to get keycodes of device? (vol up and vol down keys) |
| 13:10.36 | auenf | ok, so moving .qmf dir made email work again |
| 13:10.41 | auenf | so i didnt need to flash :P |
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| 13:44.10 | merlin1991 | hey khertan ;) |
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| 14:37.03 | diorahman | any ideas on this: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?226609-How-to-integrate-with-the-N9-Accounts-FW ?? |
| 14:37.04 | diorahman | thanks |
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| 14:43.23 | pa | any alternative to nokia MD50? |
| 14:43.35 | pa | i dont want to pay 100 bucks for a bluetooth speaker |
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| 15:08.37 | dm8tbr | diorahman: there is at least Aard's XMPP plugin that uses the settings and accounts structure |
| 15:12.45 | khertan | merlin1991: hey |
| 15:29.27 | diorahman | dm8tbr: owh, do yo have access to it's source? |
| 15:29.28 | diorahman | *its |
| 15:31.13 | dm8tbr | diorahman: IIRC there's a git repo somewhere™ |
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| 15:32.32 | dm8tbr | diorahman: https://gitorious.org/xmpp-accounts looks like it |
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| 15:35.09 | diorahman_ | dm8tbr: thanks |
| 15:35.41 | diorahman_ | dm8tbr: but, how to dbus-send (sending message) to the account-ui ? :-) |
| 15:36.26 | itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: what's missing from that? |
| 15:36.34 | itsnotabigtruck | any reason why it was never distributed? |
| 15:38.23 | diorahman | hum |
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| 15:47.01 | ZogG_laptop | tedtalks is nice app |
| 15:52.37 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: thanks! :_) |
| 15:53.10 | diorahman | dm8tbr: hum, I could call the invoker then |
| 15:53.39 | ZogG_laptop | diorahman: your work? |
| 15:54.29 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: yes, it is , please support me :-) http://aegis.no.de/ted/donate |
| 15:54.54 | ZogG_laptop | diorahman: i would, after i'll re-connect new card to paypal again |
| 15:55.06 | ZogG_laptop | diorahman: btw you should change name |
| 15:55.12 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: Awesome :-) Haha, yeah? |
| 15:55.14 | ZogG_laptop | as it's names talks |
| 15:55.26 | ZogG_laptop | name |
| 15:55.39 | ZogG_laptop | like TED on icon and talks in the label |
| 15:56.21 | ZogG_laptop | but despite icon label should include TED or at least not to be talks as it's too general word to use |
| 15:56.27 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: I'm sorry, I couldn't follow you. I decided to put just Talks, since the TED is already in the icon |
| 15:57.39 | ZogG_laptop | it is logical but i wouldn't connect both |
| 15:58.16 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: will do some experiment with that with next release :-) |
| 15:58.31 | ZogG_laptop | thanx |
| 15:59.20 | ZogG_laptop | diorahman: did you announced it on TMO? |
| 16:00.23 | diorahman | not yet, I'm just a beginner, will do that after smoothing some rough edges |
| 16:02.05 | ZogG_laptop | man, it's much more stable and usefull than my app, so do it |
| 16:02.22 | ZogG_laptop | anyway yo uannounced on n9-apps =) |
| 16:05.11 | diorahman | ZogG_laptop: yes I did :-) |
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| 16:14.56 | itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: what's missing from that? |
| 16:14.58 | itsnotabigtruck | itsnotabigtruck | any reason why it was never distributed? |
| 16:15.07 | itsnotabigtruck | diorahman ^ might you know? |
| 16:15.38 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: about what? the plugin? |
| 16:16.05 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the xmpp accounts plugin |
| 16:16.14 | itsnotabigtruck | i saw that before and i'm wondering what the catch is |
| 16:17.13 | diorahman | well, I don't know, I'm asking the question because I wanna use account-ui just like meein does |
| 16:17.50 | diorahman | and maybe somehow, could reuse the credentials from e.g. connected facebook and twitter user information |
| 16:18.02 | diorahman | about that xmpp I don't really know |
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| 16:24.05 | diorahman | since the accounts-ui plugin only have provider and service, there is no "interface"-file for dbus, what is the choices to call it? |
| 16:24.26 | diorahman | If it has invoker, then can we just call it? |
| 16:24.50 | amppa | any idea how the store works -- if a free application changes to a paid one, will all existing installations still receive updates as before? |
| 16:24.52 | diorahman | the thing is, how can we get the "signal" when it's done? |
| 16:26.39 | dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: Aard is here, you can ask him. IIRC he wanted to put it into ovi store |
| 16:27.00 | diorahman | dm8tbr: cool! |
| 16:27.50 | dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: I have it on my N950, it works like a charm |
| 16:27.58 | itsnotabigtruck | hm |
| 16:28.02 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: ping |
| 16:28.09 | itsnotabigtruck | don't think i've ever seen him around here |
| 16:28.24 | itsnotabigtruck | 176 people and so many never say a word :/ |
| 16:30.28 | diorahman | itsnotabigtruck: haha |
| 16:30.54 | itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: i know there was a previous xmpp plugin hosted on github i think? |
| 16:30.58 | itsnotabigtruck | that i don't think was finished |
| 16:31.07 | diorahman | BTW, itsnotabigtruck do you know how to call the accounts-ui (and the specific plugin) via dbus or anything else? |
| 16:31.21 | itsnotabigtruck | the gitorious has one commit, in january |
| 16:31.51 | itsnotabigtruck | so if the plan was to actually release it i don't see the logic behind waiting 3 months |
| 16:32.26 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: yes? |
| 16:32.49 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: oh hey, as you can see i was wondering about the status of your xmpp account plugin project |
| 16:33.11 | Aard | it's working, I just never got around to make the qml look nice |
| 16:35.28 | diorahman | Aard itsnotabigtruck yeah I tried it just now :-) |
| 16:35.41 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: planning on finishing that up and releasing soon? |
| 16:36.35 | diorahman | Aard: do you know how to "launch" the UI (of your plugin) via dbus? :-) |
| 16:37.19 | diorahman | Aard: or is there another way so the caller could track down what;s happening with the callee? |
| 16:37.52 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: depends on time and how annoying qml is to me |
| 16:38.27 | Aard | diorahman: you can just directly call it with the right parameters (start it from accounts-ui, note the parameters, and invoke it manually) |
| 16:39.26 | diorahman | Aard: example please :-) I don't know the params for the accounts-ui |
| 16:39.51 | Aard | diorahman: accounts-ui = the graphical thingy. you tap on it, and then from ps output you take the parameters |
| 16:40.43 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: there's currently about 200 lines of uncomitted local changes I need to get around to clean up, and some fixing with the qml |
| 16:42.38 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: on an unrelated note, do you want to have a graphical installer for inception? I did something which includes installing inception from ui, and at least that part could probably be released, after some cleaning |
| 16:45.24 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: ooh |
| 16:45.47 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought about implementing one but held off on it because there'd still be no gui way to actually incept anything with it |
| 16:45.57 | itsnotabigtruck | to get any benefit from installing inception you need to know the terminal |
| 16:46.17 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why i was thinking about building an app repository with a fancy installer, but that's a lot of work |
| 16:46.55 | Aard | well, it's just a simple ui, and a small non-ui program which runs with root-permission and get's called doing the dirty stuff. you can just throw it somewhere, and install it through the web browser |
| 16:47.22 | Aard | extending it to support package installs shouldn't be too much work |
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| 16:55.00 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: main screen looks OK, except for the background color |
| 16:55.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also needs to be XMPP (Jabber) [with a space] |
| 16:55.39 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: $ git diff src/resources/qml/xmpp-settings.qml | wc -l |
| 16:55.39 | Aard | 98 |
| 16:55.40 | itsnotabigtruck | also maybe change Username to Address or Jabber ID |
| 16:55.49 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 16:56.05 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're going to commit that soon maybe i should just rebuild and test that then |
| 16:56.31 | itsnotabigtruck | i assume this is going to end up in AFM? seeing that you have all the debian packaging stuff set up |
| 16:57.06 | Aard | I planned to throw it into the store |
| 16:57.24 | itsnotabigtruck | upload it to afm too |
| 16:57.30 | itsnotabigtruck | it needs more stuff desperately |
| 16:58.13 | itsnotabigtruck | you put the DSC and TAR.GZ into c-obs and do some stuff to submit it into apps for meego |
| 16:58.39 | Aard | we'll see. I'm still unsure if I want to start messing with debian packages on obs ;) |
| 16:59.29 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: well, aren't you already messing with debian packages :p |
| 17:00.18 | Aard | it's different to just build it in scratchbox and mess around with a system mainly designed for building rpms |
| 17:00.51 | itsnotabigtruck | whoa |
| 17:01.00 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the settings screen needs a little bit of styling :p |
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| 17:02.34 | itsnotabigtruck | also btw the XMPP icon needs to be put in a squircle |
| 17:02.49 | Aard | in a what? |
| 17:04.23 | bindi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squircle |
| 17:04.47 | Aard | well, I had no intention to mess with the icon ;) |
| 17:05.03 | bindi | so, does google talk work with n9? |
| 17:05.04 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: well, it needs to be messed with :p in order to comply with harmattan design guidelines |
| 17:05.17 | itsnotabigtruck | bindi: of course, that's out of the box |
| 17:05.23 | Aard | i.e. they won't accept it in store without? |
| 17:05.24 | bindi | okay |
| 17:05.31 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia put in all the infrastructure for xmpp accounts, but then locked it down to google only :/ |
| 17:05.42 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: they'll accept all sorts of stuff |
| 17:05.51 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you want your app to look *good* it needs to blend in |
| 17:05.54 | Aard | well, then I don't care ;) |
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| 17:06.07 | diorahman_ | Aard: do you mean, after launching the account-ui, then I have to launch the plugin manually? (by calling the invoker?) and then listen the signal from accounts-ui? |
| 17:06.07 | itsnotabigtruck | forget the store requirements, that's irrelevant |
| 17:06.21 | Aard | I did this last year because I wanted to use jabber without mc-tool, nothing else ;) |
| 17:06.36 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm a bit irritated with people using nokia's lax store requirements to justify inferior quality |
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| 17:07.45 | Aard | well, I don't care much about the ui side |
| 17:07.49 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, the xmpp logo just needs to be dropped on top of the squircle background like this: http://i.imgur.com/GOkUD.png |
| 17:08.55 | itsnotabigtruck | also, there's a telepathy option that controls whether someone who's not a contact can call you, maybe add another option for that |
| 17:08.56 | Aard | on my phone the current version does not render (i.e., syntax error in qml), so I'll have to look at that first before I can push it. if you're lucky early next week |
| 17:09.40 | itsnotabigtruck | ignore certificate and require ssl could perhaps be combined into one option |
| 17:09.52 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. insecure mode = ignore on, require off |
| 17:09.57 | itsnotabigtruck | secure mode = ignore off, require on |
| 17:10.25 | itsnotabigtruck | because with require off, a mitm can just make it seem like the server doesn't support ssl |
| 17:11.23 | Aard | it's just 'prefer ssl' in that case, which does make sense |
| 17:12.05 | Aard | treating ssl on jabber as anything but 'nice to have, but not important' is nonsense |
| 17:12.25 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: it's the only security you have on N9 IM so it's pretty damn important |
| 17:12.33 | itsnotabigtruck | and secure mode should definitely be the default |
| 17:12.38 | itsnotabigtruck | that is, require on, ignore off |
| 17:13.20 | itsnotabigtruck | if you trust the server, and you're communicating with someone on the same server, jabber ssl is ok security |
| 17:13.31 | itsnotabigtruck | for interdomain connections, with today's jabber server implementations you can't trust it |
| 17:14.36 | Aard | the point of jabber is that you have lot's of distributed jabber servers, so having it is mostly nonsense |
| 17:15.27 | itsnotabigtruck | Aard: in any case, if you could make the settings secure-by-default that would be great |
| 17:16.06 | itsnotabigtruck | btw what license is this under? the gitorious says GPL2 but i didn't see any license banners in the code |
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| 17:20.18 | Aard | it's gplv2 |
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| 17:30.07 | diorahman | Aard: from qdbus, I could get method void com.nokia.AccountsUI.Launch(QString ServiceType) |
| 17:30.31 | diorahman | the service type should be: social, IM etc? but it doesnt change anything |
| 17:30.46 | diorahman | :| |
| 17:44.50 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Aard: are you going to implement the strict ssl by default |
| 17:45.14 | itsnotabigtruck | realistically most people use the default settings and i'm worried people are going to get roped into insecure defaults |
| 17:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | (<itsnotabigtruck> also btw the XMPP icon needs to be put in a squircle) IIRC there's a infra to do that on device, for bookmarks |
| 17:45.30 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: hm, interesting |
| 17:45.42 | itsnotabigtruck | though in this case it needs to be prepped in advance |
| 17:45.49 | itsnotabigtruck | like the ones supplied by nokia for various services |
| 17:45.56 | itsnotabigtruck | (pretty much everything but xmpp, in fact :p) |
| 17:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | prepare in advance using on-device infra |
| 17:46.22 | itsnotabigtruck | ...or on a host pc and shipped in the package |
| 17:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | hell, no |
| 17:46.38 | bindi | how significantly will being available on google talk 24/7 drain the battery? |
| 17:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | I mean: use your device to prepare the icon, then copy to your PC |
| 17:47.20 | itsnotabigtruck | bindi: somewhere between not at all and a lot |
| 17:47.27 | bindi | lol, okay |
| 17:47.32 | bindi | will just have to see then :) |
| 17:47.34 | itsnotabigtruck | you probably won't get 3 to 4 day battery life |
| 17:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | more like: substantially |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | or like: 3..4h standby |
| 17:48.05 | bindi | wut |
| 17:48.16 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: errr, no |
| 17:48.24 | itsnotabigtruck | unless something is severely wrong, not even close |
| 17:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | depends on amount and esp frequency of traffic, and media channel aka 3G / WLAN / USB? |
| 17:49.14 | bindi | 3G |
| 17:49.27 | bindi | will just have to see tbh |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 17:49.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i had my xmpp configured with mc-tool for a while |
| 17:49.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it still lasted at least 2 days |
| 17:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | 3G is probably more like 4h than 4d |
| 17:49.49 | itsnotabigtruck | 3 to 4 hours is fud |
| 17:50.01 | bindi | doubt it will affect at all, since Android has google talk 24/7 available too :> |
| 17:50.04 | Arie | and what about on 2g? |
| 17:50.08 | bindi | er, by at all i mean a little |
| 17:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | Arie: 2G is waaay better |
| 17:50.19 | bindi | argh. by at all i mean that much |
| 17:50.27 | Arie | that's what I assumed as well |
| 17:50.45 | Arie | it should last at least a day on 2G |
| 17:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I get with IRC on N900 |
| 17:51.16 | bindi | atleast a day on 2G? |
| 17:51.17 | bindi | lol |
| 17:51.22 | Arie | i keep fmobi/aim running at all times on 2G and it lasts me all day without a hiccup |
| 17:51.25 | bindi | yeah i'll just stop listening to you guys and do my own testing :D |
| 17:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | with 3G more like 6h |
| 17:51.30 | itsnotabigtruck | the irc clients are probably less efficient |
| 17:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | o.e. a quarter |
| 17:51.42 | Aard | itsnotabigtruck: the defaults will probably change, though it'll stay as separate settings |
| 17:51.47 | itsnotabigtruck | you're probably comparing apples to oranges |
| 17:51.54 | Arie | DocScrutinizer: that's about right |
| 17:52.00 | itsnotabigtruck | aard: the separate settings doesn't matter that much, the defaults are important |
| 17:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: that's no question of client, but a qustion of protocol |
| 17:52.15 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, it could be a bit of both |
| 17:52.22 | itsnotabigtruck | esp if the telepathy stuff puts things into powersave modes |
| 17:52.33 | itsnotabigtruck | and the 3rd party irc client doesn't |
| 17:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 17:52.48 | Aard | right now it's settings how I need them, once it's ready for publishing I might change some of them |
| 17:52.55 | Arie | powersave mode activity is a must, if you expect to get at least a days use out of it |
| 17:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | if your protocol causes inbound ping every 30s, your 3G eats battery in 3h |
| 17:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | no matter what client does |
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| 17:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | no way to force any PS on it |
| 17:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | so it way more depends on the *server* you connect to, rather than your client |
| 17:54.49 | Arie | well that nulls the idea of PS |
| 17:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | aaah well, that special HARM PS mode, NFC |
| 17:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | you might have a point there |
| 17:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | but AIUI this PS mode just does a hidden offline mode, so you're also not 24/7 'online' |
| 17:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | even if you might think so |
| 17:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | also nfc what's google talk. Maybe it's a weird VoIP-over-XMPP implementation, then the server might avoid to send frequent pings, and you get same standby like with usual VoIP |
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| 18:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | the max period between any keep-alive pkgs for servers (your VoIP UA actually is a server when you look at it from internet, it has open port and accepts inbound traffic) is determined by the session-timeout in any NAT your 3G provider is using |
| 18:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | as soon as the NAT terminates the session (the port assignment for inbound), you're no more available from the internets |
| 18:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | so you need keep-alive pks sent every other minute or sth |
| 18:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | to stop NAT session timeout |
| 18:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | some nifty carriers might offer uPnP for their NAT. Some may not have a NAT at all (saunalati comes to mind) |
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| 18:08.54 | dm8tbr | saunalahti does default nat, but you can turn it off nowadays |
| 18:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, I see |
| 18:09.11 | dm8tbr | also: I just disabled sip register on my N950 |
| 18:09.19 | dm8tbr | it sucked and never worked anyway for me |
| 18:09.32 | dm8tbr | I now have working inbound over XMPP |
| 18:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | with keep-alive? or NAT free? |
| 18:10.02 | dm8tbr | and as I use XMPP for messaging anyway, there is no overhead, actually it reduces overhead as I don't need active SIP register |
| 18:10.17 | dm8tbr | XMPP is TCP based for the control channel |
| 18:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 18:10.28 | dm8tbr | voice goes through RTP |
| 18:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | RTP voice needs no keep alive - *usually* |
| 18:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 18:11.17 | dm8tbr | ;) |
| 18:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | I say *usually* as you might have situations where you listen for minutes, and your codec does silence pause |
| 18:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | or raher, you speak for minutes, while far end doesn't send data due to silence pause |
| 18:13.53 | dm8tbr | in addition only aplicable if silence detection kicks in |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant, yep |
| 18:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, standby for server services like any flavour of VoIP is highly determined by network (when it comes to 3G) and almost unrelated to the UA you use |
| 18:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | so it's kinda like asking "how much will it reduce my standby when I run an apache server on my device?" |
| 18:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | answer: depends on what "the internet" does |
| 18:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | unrelated to your apache config |
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| 18:47.36 | knee | I noticed today that push notifications stop working when switching between networks.. (noticed this with ebuddy xms). If I start the app when connected it works perfectly, if I than switch networks / get disconnected it stops working until I start the app again.. Is this a 'problem' in harmattan itself or in ebuddy (and is there a way to fix it?) |
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| 19:00.00 | ZogG_laptop | frals: saw your tweet about headphones, ddi they work good with n9? |
| 19:00.06 | ZogG_laptop | i mean all controls and stuff |
| 19:00.14 | ZogG_laptop | 905i or what was the model |
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| 21:05.08 | ZogG_laptop | does n9 support webdav? |
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| 21:14.23 | SpeedEvil | In principle, with an appropriate kernel |
| 21:14.39 | SpeedEvil | If you want to mount it |
| 21:14.41 | rzr | ZogG_laptop: i tried to build cadaver iicr |
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| 21:22.38 | ZogG_laptop | there is that russian project yandex.disk it's like upcoming google.drive |
| 21:24.02 | ZogG_laptop | it uses webdav |
| 21:24.24 | ZogG_laptop | thought it may be handy |
| 21:24.29 | M4rtinK | X-Fade, itsnotabigtruck: any idea why my app is still stuck in AFM staging, even though it already has 6 positive QAs ? :) |
| 21:24.59 | M4rtinK | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Graphics/mieru/# |
| 21:26.06 | M4rtinK | last package update was on 16.3. so any quarantine should be long over |
| 21:40.54 | rzr | M4rtinK: do u need me to review it too see if it is not stuck ? |
| 21:41.22 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: it's stuck there for ever MWAHAHAHHA |
| 21:41.39 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: review redak for you btw |
| 21:42.03 | M4rtinK | AFM promotion bugs strike back ! :P |
| 21:42.09 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: can't review =) |
| 21:42.14 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: oops |
| 21:42.15 | rzr | thx |
| 21:42.26 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: i can't review your app as never used it =\ |
| 21:42.28 | ZogG_laptop | sorry |
| 21:42.37 | rzr | let me install it |
| 21:42.44 | M4rtinK | well, i think its just bugged :) |
| 21:42.56 | rzr | there is another bug in a4m |
| 21:42.57 | M4rtinK | IIRC 6 positive QAs should be enough for promotion :) |
| 21:43.03 | ZogG_laptop | started to write "can't review" and than thoguth of something else and asnwered "=)" to your post so got mixed thing |
| 21:43.33 | M4rtinK | BTW, you don't need any comics/mangas to test my app |
| 21:43.59 | M4rtinK | any images would do to check if everything works as it should :) |
| 21:44.27 | itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: the same thing that happened to ad-hac happened to yours |
| 21:44.41 | M4rtinK | old version got promoted ? :) |
| 21:44.51 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 21:45.11 | itsnotabigtruck | which is a huge problem |
| 21:45.21 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not like you have to do anything weird to trigger this bug |
| 21:45.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it's major and it occurs under normal behavior |
| 21:46.24 | M4rtinK | so if I understand it correctly, this can be only solved by manual intervention ? |
| 21:47.52 | M4rtinK | at least until the bug is fixed |
| 21:48.19 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it seems so |
| 21:48.38 | M4rtinK | BTW, there are quite a few obstacles present already on the way to AFM, more are not really needed :) |
| 21:48.56 | M4rtinK | I'll ping X-Fade about it then |
| 21:50.32 | DrGrov | Happy Easter everyone! |
| 21:50.53 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't that not until the day after tomorrow |
| 21:53.13 | DrGrov | So fucking what? Maybe I am not here then to do the wishes |
| 21:54.23 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 21:55.09 | wook | guys, quick question: how to capture scancodes of hardware keyboard on n950? |
| 21:57.09 | ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: happy passover |
| 21:57.40 | ZogG_laptop | haha |
| 21:58.12 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: it wouldn't work |
| 21:58.25 | ZogG_laptop | a4m crashes when i start it |
| 21:58.29 | ZogG_laptop | it worked today btw |
| 21:58.36 | ZogG_laptop | you have bad luck man |
| 21:58.58 | M4rtinK | the a4m client crashes or what ? :) |
| 21:59.21 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Yo, what the fuck did you just say? I am too tired LOL |
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| 22:08.31 | ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: Passover today as well |
| 22:08.53 | ZogG_laptop | Moses was first waterbender btw |
| 22:09.26 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Ah, now I do understand. Thanks for clearing it up. |
| 22:10.48 | ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: sarcasm? |
| 22:11.50 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Nah, you just misread what I wrote. Not intended as sarcasm |
| 22:12.08 | DrGrov | As I already mentioned, I am too tired to follow up on all minor details. |
| 22:12.23 | DrGrov | But sure, claim it to be sarcasm if that makes your life feel any better |
| 22:16.06 | rzr | M4rtinK: mieru is in stable |
| 22:16.32 | rzr | and unstable too |
| 22:16.40 | ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: hey man, it's ok. feel better =) |
| 22:16.56 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: there is one in stable and one in unstable |
| 22:17.00 | ZogG_laptop | at least it was liek that |
| 22:17.20 | M4rtinK | that's the problem |
| 22:17.34 | M4rtinK | 2.2.3 got somehow promoted |
| 22:17.36 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: What are you insinuating? |
| 22:17.45 | ZogG_laptop | yeah i know, you know, but rzr doesn't =) |
| 22:17.46 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: That I am no feeling well? |
| 22:17.49 | rzr | i am installing it now |
| 22:18.04 | M4rtinK | while 2.2.29 is sitting in staging with enough votes for promotion :) |
| 22:19.27 | rzr | M4rtinK, plz send me a link to a book i can test :-) |
| 22:19.35 | ZogG_laptop | DrGrov: man, i don't insult anything, i just joked before, but you took it too serious. and i ment to feel better - not to feel tired and to rest |
| 22:21.22 | M4rtinK | rzr: http://www.aerialline.com/public/comics/ubunchu08_ja.zip :) |
| 22:21.34 | M4rtinK | its in japanese though :) |
| 22:21.50 | ZogG_laptop | ubunchu? is it about ubuntu? |
| 22:21.54 | ZogG_laptop | ubuntu san |
| 22:22.09 | M4rtinK | yep |
| 22:22.10 | DrGrov | ZogG_laptop: Ok, roger that. No worries. Perhaps my fucking snus break is making me irritated |
| 22:22.12 | DrGrov | Ubusan |
| 22:22.52 | M4rtinK | also the only CC licenced manga I know :) |
| 22:24.01 | ZogG_laptop | challenge accepted |
| 22:24.13 | M4rtinK | there are many translations already - but mostly done as PDFs - which Mieru currently won't handle |
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| 22:24.51 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.otakunovideo.net/2009/01/a-creative-commons-manga/ |
| 22:25.07 | M4rtinK | BTW, anyone knows how to get pages from a PDF to a QImage/QML Image using Python ? :) |
| 22:26.17 | M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: Nice ! |
| 22:26.50 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: btw you can include few CC mangas into pakages if thwey are small enuf |
| 22:26.50 | M4rtinK | I'll add it to the mieru page so that people have something to test on :) |
| 22:28.05 | ZogG_laptop | add the link to about as test |
| 22:28.08 | M4rtinK | apt-get install ubunchu-ch06-1.1-Maemo5-1.0.deb |
| 22:28.16 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 22:28.23 | ZogG_laptop | btw you parse it? |
| 22:28.34 | M4rtinK | what ? :) |
| 22:28.40 | ZogG_laptop | text or it's images? |
| 22:28.47 | ZogG_laptop | or it's images |
| 22:28.50 | ZogG_laptop | it's manga |
| 22:28.54 | ZogG_laptop | too late - too stupid |
| 22:28.56 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 22:29.05 | ZogG_laptop | i just bumped in something |
| 22:29.15 | M4rtinK | Mieru works with the concept of containers |
| 22:29.35 | M4rtinK | it opens a folder/archive/whatever(TODO) as a container |
| 22:29.59 | M4rtinK | and then calls on it getPage(index) |
| 22:31.05 | ZogG_laptop | i just played with tumblr |
| 22:31.09 | M4rtinK | so if you write a text container/PDF container or online-something, Mieru would support it basically out of the box :) |
| 22:31.13 | ZogG_laptop | and there are news that are html |
| 22:31.28 | ZogG_laptop | the problem that qml text do not resize images |
| 22:32.01 | M4rtinK | good point, Tumblr might be a good candidate |
| 22:32.14 | M4rtinK | or various webcomics like XKCD |
| 22:32.36 | M4rtinK | no ide how this would work licence wise though |
| 22:32.50 | ZogG_laptop | and the images xkcd is already there |
| 22:33.23 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: so if there is image inside it's not honoring qmltext size |
| 22:33.35 | M4rtinK | a "I have read the terms-of-use of site X" checkbox might be enough though :) |
| 22:33.48 | ZogG_laptop | filled the bug report but they said it's not a bug - it's a feature =) |
| 22:34.05 | M4rtinK | you mean when rendering HTML with QML ? |
| 22:34.24 | ZogG_laptop | just using qmltext, it does parse html |
| 22:34.28 | ZogG_laptop | but not images |
| 22:34.39 | M4rtinK | well its text |
| 22:34.46 | ZogG_laptop | no it's html |
| 22:34.48 | M4rtinK | why should it parse images ? |
| 22:34.49 | ZogG_laptop | it shows images |
| 22:34.54 | ZogG_laptop | but the size |
| 22:35.05 | ZogG_laptop | lemme show you |
| 22:35.05 | M4rtinK | so if you supply it with html |
| 22:35.16 | M4rtinK | that has some <img>s |
| 22:35.22 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 22:35.29 | M4rtinK | the text size you set is not respected ? |
| 22:36.10 | ZogG_laptop | i.imgur.com/xPAeb.png |
| 22:36.24 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: no it's not |
| 22:36.46 | itsnotabigtruck | so it seems that some accounts have flat backgrounds (caldav, dropbox, flickr, picasa, sip) |
| 22:36.48 | ZogG_laptop | its the app i started |
| 22:36.55 | itsnotabigtruck | (and youtube) |
| 22:36.58 | M4rtinK | so what part is wrong ? |
| 22:37.10 | itsnotabigtruck | while others have gradient backgrounds (mail, mfe, skype, google, fb, nokia) |
| 22:37.14 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: the image - check the right and left side |
| 22:37.19 | itsnotabigtruck | also twitter has a flat background but it's not grey |
| 22:37.21 | itsnotabigtruck | hrm |
| 22:37.30 | ZogG_laptop | there is more on right "out-of-the-screen" |
| 22:37.44 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sup man |
| 22:37.54 | M4rtinK | oh - it is overflowing to the left and down ? |
| 22:38.37 | M4rtinK | so the text is automatically fit to the screen but the image is not ? |
| 22:39.03 | ZogG_laptop | down it's oky as you can scroll |
| 22:39.16 | ZogG_laptop | but big images are getting out of screen |
| 22:39.21 | rzr | M4rtinK, http://apps.formeego.org/package/forms/post/5153a2b2803911e1a770c3063b73df1fdf1f/ |
| 22:39.36 | M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: looks like the Blanco theme was partially opensourced - no idea if that's relevant though :) |
| 22:39.43 | ZogG_laptop | i ould use qml web but that i need to make a lot of instance for all text posts |
| 22:39.43 | rzr | M4rtinK, some suggestion think about supporting .zip input |
| 22:40.02 | itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: open-sourced or outsourced? |
| 22:41.06 | M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=1188752&postcount=68 |
| 22:41.07 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: and tar.gz if it's still not |
| 22:41.31 | M4rtinK | it should support tars |
| 22:41.38 | ZogG_laptop | \o/ |
| 22:41.44 | M4rtinK | but i don't think I tested it :) |
| 22:42.05 | M4rtinK | rzr: it should support zip archives |
| 22:42.15 | M4rtinK | RAR too |
| 22:43.38 | rzr | then forget what i said , i did unpack that archive |
| 22:44.01 | M4rtinK | no need really :) |
| 22:44.03 | ZogG_laptop | pitty i don't read manga |
| 22:44.13 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: pack it back |
| 22:44.15 | M4rtinK | but it supports that too |
| 22:44.19 | ZogG_laptop | pack it bck i said!!!!! |
| 22:44.20 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 22:44.38 | M4rtinK | unlike quite a few other manga/comics readers I've tried out :) |
| 22:45.02 | M4rtinK | many just won't handle a folder with images |
| 22:45.47 | M4rtinK | also, the file extension is completely irrelevant - Mieru checks for file mime using libmagic |
| 22:46.09 | M4rtinK | other readers just blow up on files with incorrect extensions |
| 22:47.42 | itsnotabigtruck | https://imgur.com/bkyWz |
| 22:47.45 | itsnotabigtruck | how about this |
| 22:48.10 | itsnotabigtruck | downressing it in inkscape seems to have aliased up the edges of the squircle |
| 22:52.05 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: what ya doing? |
| 22:52.24 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: 1)writting account or app 2) you want icon? |
| 22:52.44 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is online thing to make icons btw |
| 22:53.04 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/Icons.html |
| 22:53.11 | itsnotabigtruck | nokia obviously isn't fully complying with those rules |
| 22:53.28 | M4rtinK | rzr: BTW, thanks for testing :) |
| 22:53.41 | itsnotabigtruck | (i.e. that the main part of the icon is not to be larger than 40x40, and should be as close as possible to 32x32) |
| 22:54.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: i started with javispedro's generator but it isn't quite enough in this case |
| 22:55.09 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: you want it to be perfect? |
| 22:55.18 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: what ya trying to do mate? |
| 22:56.56 | itsnotabigtruck | https://imgur.com/K13Ja |
| 22:56.59 | itsnotabigtruck | how about this |
| 22:57.15 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: check meein icon, it's uglier than autogenerated, and it's from nokia |
| 22:57.15 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: well, it's specifically intended for 80x80 launcher icons, not 64x64 account/appmanager icons |
| 22:57.29 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: no |
| 22:57.46 | ZogG_laptop | i think it's not good, i think background is to dominating |
| 22:58.56 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: i think you should make kinda shadow to bring the object forward |
| 22:59.10 | ZogG_laptop | check mail's one or webs one |
| 23:00.31 | Arie | itsnotabigtruck: I like the icon it looks good |
| 23:06.07 | itsnotabigtruck | arie ZogG_laptop: https://imgur.com/a/wDsaD#0 |
| 23:06.40 | itsnotabigtruck | last one is the same as the one i linked a min ago, 2nd last is an attempt to clone the flat background of the 1st 2 |
| 23:06.45 | Arie | the white background icon for xmpp looks good |
| 23:07.01 | Arie | but the light blue one is better looking |
| 23:07.31 | ZogG_laptop | agreed |
| 23:07.34 | ZogG_laptop | white is better |
| 23:07.42 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: are you making theme or what? |
| 23:07.53 | Arie | i dont think a theme |
| 23:08.18 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nah, it's for a modification to aard's xmpp accounts plugin |
| 23:08.32 | itsnotabigtruck | it's the opposite of a new theme, it's supposed to blend in |
| 23:08.32 | Arie | btw qneptunea v.0.17 is out if anyone is interested |
| 23:08.56 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: you developing it? |
| 23:09.02 | Arie | no |
| 23:09.10 | Arie | i just got the message that it can be downloaded |
| 23:09.13 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: =( is it opensource? |
| 23:09.25 | ZogG_laptop | i saw it's out earlier on tweeter |
| 23:09.27 | Arie | @task_jp is developing it |
| 23:09.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i think i'll go with the grey |
| 23:09.44 | Arie | ive flashed my N9 8 times in 3 days |
| 23:09.55 | Arie | honestly im not too worried how it looks vs just working |
| 23:10.15 | ZogG_laptop | wondering if it's using oauth2plugin or extrenal plugnin, i got bumped with oauth signature creation |
| 23:10.39 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: didn't flashed it once yet |
| 23:10.44 | Arie | lol |
| 23:10.46 | ZogG_laptop | or actually once |
| 23:10.53 | Arie | then you're not using many beta apps |
| 23:11.02 | ZogG_laptop | when updated thru nokia update software |
| 23:11.15 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: i even have qt5 repo |
| 23:11.31 | Arie | so nsu updates and wipes the emmc? |
| 23:11.39 | ZogG_laptop | not emmc |
| 23:12.18 | Arie | i want my emmc flashed each time |
| 23:12.37 | ZogG_laptop | what for? |
| 23:13.14 | Arie | i like a clean device :) |
| 23:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | wook: xev? |
| 23:14.43 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: good you don't buy new device each time |
| 23:14.50 | Arie | haha |
| 23:14.55 | Arie | i wish i could afford that |
| 23:15.03 | ZogG_laptop | i think you doing it wrong |
| 23:15.13 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: show the grey version already =) |
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| 23:16.23 | Arie | does anyone else use the irc chatter app? |
| 23:16.47 | kozzi | me |
| 23:17.09 | Arie | kozzi: i wish the user list was more visible |
| 23:17.37 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: hm? the grey is in the imgur album i uploaded |
| 23:18.09 | kozzi | I find it quite good, the nick completion works |
| 23:19.05 | kozzi | the channel list could be implemented differently though. |
| 23:20.15 | kozzi | anyone how to add ssh profile to n9? |
| 23:20.57 | kozzi | too lazy to type pass and login info to terminal |
| 23:21.25 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.change.org/petitions/tmo-talk-maemo-org-i-want-to-stop-meaningless-petitions |
| 23:21.33 | ZogG_laptop | Arie: yes i do |
| 23:22.05 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: oh it's grey, i thought it's more white |
| 23:22.36 | ZogG_laptop | kozzi: there is settings to use ssl |
| 23:22.47 | ZogG_laptop | kozzi: do you use last version? |
| 23:23.01 | Arie | kozzi: im using ssl on irc chatter |
| 23:23.26 | ZogG_laptop | i'm using irc chatter on ssl |
| 23:23.31 | ZogG_laptop | =D |
| 23:23.52 | kozzi | I mean for irssi |
| 23:24.07 | kozzi | with terminal |
| 23:26.24 | Arie | i dont use irssi |
| 23:27.08 | ZogG_laptop | me either |
| 23:27.23 | ZogG_laptop | i do but on laptop |
| 23:27.58 | Arie | i wish opera would use the stock keyboard |
| 23:28.07 | Arie | not some random crap keyboard |
| 23:31.43 | kozzi | I have irssi on school server :p |
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