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| 00:24.55 | ieatlint | ok, i now officially feel like a nokia tool... i've got a dozen nokia phones on my desk and am drinking a nokia branded energy drink |
| 00:25.03 | ieatlint | while wearing a qt t-shirt |
| 00:25.12 | ieatlint | needs help |
| 00:25.34 | diorahman | ieatlint: awesome :-) |
| 00:34.48 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: nokia branded...energy drink? |
| 00:34.50 | itsnotabigtruck | :O |
| 00:36.52 | ieatlint | yeah, it was from a promotional event |
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| 01:17.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, you can counter the feeling by hacking up something with inception :) |
| 01:43.45 | merlin1991 | ieatlint: I need the shirt and the drink, then I'm a tool aswell |
| 01:44.00 | merlin1991 | though it's not exactly a dozen phones here :D |
| 01:59.43 | GeneralAntilles | I've got a stack of 5 N900s sitting on the shelf in front of me. |
| 01:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | I should do something productive with them. |
| 02:01.38 | merlin1991 | wtf 5? |
| 02:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | 3 purchased, 2 from Nokia. |
| 02:02.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not clear on how it happened, either. |
| 02:02.16 | merlin1991 | and what were you doing initially with 5 devices? |
| 02:02.24 | GeneralAntilles | Well, 1 was a loaned to friend for about 1.5 years. |
| 02:02.31 | merlin1991 | okay 4 then :D |
| 02:02.32 | GeneralAntilles | I didn't START with 5 devices. |
| 02:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | They just multiplied. |
| 02:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Started with 1 |
| 02:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | then it went downhill from there. |
| 02:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | Was on my prototype for about a year. |
| 02:02.56 | GeneralAntilles | Then the USB port came out |
| 02:02.58 | GeneralAntilles | replaced that |
| 02:03.04 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 02:03.09 | ieatlint | funny how they multiply |
| 02:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | got that one wet at Universal |
| 02:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Replaced it. |
| 02:03.27 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about the 4th one. |
| 02:03.46 | merlin1991 | so many functional ones do you have currently then? |
| 02:04.14 | GeneralAntilles | Fully? 2 |
| 02:04.18 | GeneralAntilles | 1 dead one |
| 02:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | and 2 without USB ports. |
| 02:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | The DDP and the proto both are portless. |
| 02:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | What's worse is I also have 2 N800s and 2 770s. |
| 02:05.12 | merlin1991 | I've got 1 with a dead modem, one with a semi working modem, and one fully functional |
| 02:05.35 | merlin1991 | silly thing is, that I still use the semi functional one instead of swapping to the fully functional device :D |
| 02:06.22 | GeneralAntilles | It's a pain changing devices. |
| 02:07.16 | merlin1991 | well the semi functional one just doesn't go into 2g and has bad reception most of the time |
| 02:07.27 | merlin1991 | but it still "works" :) |
| 02:11.34 | merlin1991 | hm any thoughts on moving a german keyboard into a device that originally had an english keyboard? |
| 02:11.53 | merlin1991 | I better head over to #maemo with that though :D |
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| 02:52.58 | Elleo | oh neat, I didn't realise the microphone could do stereo recording |
| 02:53.19 | Elleo | all the voice recorder apps I fiddled with in the past just did really poor quality mono recordings |
| 02:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if GeneralAntilles will share his secrets how to breed devices |
| 02:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | Put them on a shelf together, add water and money. |
| 02:54.47 | Elleo | http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/n9jokosher.ogg <-- first successful recording from my Jokosher (audio editor) n9 port :) |
| 02:55.16 | Elleo | haven't written the qml elements for displaying/manipulating the waveforms yet though, so you can't do much with it once you've recorded things |
| 02:55.29 | ieatlint | Elleo: there are two mics on the phone... not sure if stereo is exactly how i'd describe it |
| 02:55.45 | Elleo | ieatlint: well it acts like a stereo mic |
| 02:55.57 | ieatlint | there's a mic attached to the flash, used for noise cancellation and video recording |
| 02:56.02 | Elleo | you can hear me off to the left side of the phone, with my finger rubbing the right side slightly |
| 02:56.47 | ieatlint | yeah, but you don't get valuably unique audio channels "in stereo" |
| 02:56.55 | ieatlint | ie, there is no left/right |
| 02:57.31 | Elleo | ieatlint: not entirely sure what you mean, since there's a clear left/right separation in that clip |
| 02:58.37 | Elleo | according to the wikipedia page the main microphone alone is what provides stereo recording |
| 02:58.53 | Elleo | so its not using that and the noise cancellation one, its just that the main mike is a stereo one |
| 03:01.25 | ieatlint | fondly thinks back of when he had time for this shit |
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| 03:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | the n950 definirelay has perfectly symmetric decent stereo mics |
| 03:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | definitely* |
| 03:06.43 | Elleo | yeah, I'm using an n950; I assume the n9's mikes are similar |
| 03:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | N9 probably a bit less so, but I don't have a real N9 here to check |
| 03:06.52 | Elleo | and the wikipedia page suggests its a stereo mike too |
| 03:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's no stereo mic |
| 03:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's 2 mono mics |
| 03:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | N9 doesn't have these microphone holes like N950, I guess |
| 03:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | probably the main mono mic is colocated to the mono speaker |
| 03:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | at "bottom end" of device |
| 03:09.28 | Elleo | hmm, seems a shame if the n9 doesn't have as nice a mike as the n950 |
| 03:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's as reasonable a complaint as about the poor kbd of N9 ;-D |
| 03:10.20 | Elleo | heh |
| 03:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the "left"/ambient mic is via AV receptacle aperture |
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| 03:32.54 | Arie | is anyone here that knows how to use the maemo mailing list? |
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| 05:17.58 | trupheenix | anyone help me here with QML WebView on harmattan? i am unable to get it to Orient correctly on the device. |
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| 05:55.38 | jonni | trupheenix: if your talking about orientation, then you just need to put webview inside PageStackWindow element to get automatic orientation switching. |
| 06:00.56 | trupheenix | jonni, but why? in symbian i don't need to do this. i just put a flickable and set the orientation in my main.cpp. |
| 06:01.14 | trupheenix | jonni, ok i am trying. let me see. |
| 06:01.38 | trupheenix | jonni, how do i make the same project work for symbian? i think i need to have a different code base then. |
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| 06:21.19 | jonni | trupheenix: because only the components (pagestackwindow handles orientation automaticly in harmattan). Without it you would have to listen X events yourself and do orientation manually. |
| 06:22.48 | jonni | trupheenix: well symbian has pagestackwindow too, so in theory you can have same codebase, but in reality might be easier to have different |
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| 06:46.25 | trupheenix | jonni, ok |
| 06:46.38 | Jeffrey04 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.02 | Jeffrey04 | oops |
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| 07:02.00 | Anssi138 | Jeffrey04: sounds painful :) |
| 07:03.41 | Jeffrey04 | Anssi138: definitely lol, I get confused when switching different input methods lol |
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| 07:05.47 | beford | hi |
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| 07:08.44 | Anssi138 | ho |
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| 07:41.09 | trupheenix | i wanted to know how i can create a new QML element by inheriting from an exiting one? I cannot find the path to the QDeclarativeWebView headers. suggestions? |
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| 08:19.36 | pa | so the last batch of N950 will be released to lucky devs? |
| 08:19.46 | pa | how is it possible to apply for one? |
| 08:19.48 | pa | :) |
| 08:21.28 | SpeedEvil | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2012-April/005134.html |
| 08:21.34 | SpeedEvil | read, understand, apply |
| 08:21.48 | SpeedEvil | or actually prepare your application |
| 08:25.28 | pa | well i read and understood, but i didnt get what are the requirements to apply. Like take one of the missing apps or porting an app (stating which) to qt5? |
| 08:26.41 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 08:28.07 | SpeedEvil | Clearly - if you're able to port Angry Birds, you're likely to have more priority than someone writing a geocaching app. |
| 08:30.11 | pa | thanks |
| 08:30.33 | pa | i was planning to add support to multiple contacts source from gmail |
| 08:30.38 | pa | maybe i can add it to the list |
| 08:30.47 | pa | (actually i have a prototype already) |
| 08:31.06 | pa | by the way, how is it possible that here N9 has 5 colums of icons? http://www.n9fanclub.com/2012/04/video-nokia-n9-vs-nokia-lumia-800-meego.html |
| 08:32.15 | pa | about the geocaching, isnt it the same as what cloudgps does? |
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| 08:53.14 | spenap | pa: about the 5 columns, I think there was some CSS setting, and "in the forums", someone explained how to do it. But I can't point you to anything useful |
| 08:53.27 | pa | ah okay, thanks :) |
| 08:53.36 | pa | i'll look for it as soon as i get some time then |
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| 09:31.00 | auenf | pa, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80600 |
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| 09:37.24 | trupheenix | any pointers on how to initiate a phone call from my QWebView application using the tel:// protocol? |
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| 10:27.17 | Anssi138 | i think the default app might be defined somehwere in /etc |
| 10:32.48 | Anssi138 | or somewhere.. ContentAction should take care of such things. |
| 10:33.14 | Anssi138 | /etc/magic was empty |
| 10:38.16 | lardman | morning |
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| 12:09.59 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: turned up yet another kernel bug about the upstart thingie. |
| 12:10.09 | djszapi | had to hard code a sleep 30, heh :-) |
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| 13:08.56 | ]predator[ | anyone have way to fix gallery issue on pr 1.2 without reset? |
| 13:15.40 | gabriel9|work | what fix? |
| 13:17.59 | mankeli | http://electrontu.be/n9/12040027.jpg heh, bottom of the n9's microusb has been ripped out |
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| 14:03.09 | maarten570 | hi, do any of you use the alarm clock on the n9? |
| 14:05.41 | jonni | mankeli: nice picture, I was just planning to change microusb connector on one of my spare n9's |
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| 14:10.31 | SpeedEvil | mankeli: looks like an easy fix fortuantely |
| 14:12.05 | jonni | those are really small as shit, so needs a really steady hand to get new one in. |
| 14:12.53 | maarten570 | A problem i'm having is that the phone asks for the sim pin code, when it boots to start the alarm, so alarm won't sound until pin is entered. I was wondering if there's any other people with this problem. |
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| 15:39.49 | jonni | mankeli: these were atleast quite cheap and free postage http://www.ebay.ie/itm/290690626934 |
| 15:40.54 | mankeli | i was thinking about klc.fi |
| 15:41.12 | mankeli | some company that works in salo |
| 15:41.18 | jonni | well yes, that would deliver much faster |
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| 19:12.50 | itsnotabigtruck | what |
| 19:12.53 | itsnotabigtruck | *what's up |
| 19:13.15 | RzR | was reading a nfc article |
| 19:13.19 | itsnotabigtruck | i really need to stop missing the apostrophe on this keyboard |
| 19:13.39 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not even like i have huge fingers, i guess it's just that the ' is ever so slightly to the left of where i expect it |
| 19:13.56 | itsnotabigtruck | RzR: hmm, what about nfc? |
| 19:14.08 | RzR | well i was wondering about cool usage |
| 19:14.22 | RzR | and not using it only for tracking paying etc |
| 19:15.08 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 19:15.21 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that most of the cool applications rely on everyone having an nfc phone, or something like that |
| 19:15.22 | itsnotabigtruck | they don't |
| 19:16.08 | itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone want to test this opptimizer deb i prepared |
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| 19:16.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i can't conveniently test it right now so i don't really know if it works |
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| 19:28.28 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr ^ anyone else |
| 19:29.45 | RzR | do i need to install inception along ? |
| 19:30.33 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: yeah, it requires inception |
| 19:31.31 | RzR | humm I prefer to not install it now ... |
| 19:31.46 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: ...why not? |
| 19:31.50 | RzR | inception is a great tool |
| 19:32.22 | RzR | but i prefer stay away from aegis for now... |
| 19:33.43 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: what do you mean? |
| 19:33.51 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, you can't really stay away from aegis on the N9 |
| 19:33.57 | itsnotabigtruck | everyone's pretty much stuck with it |
| 19:34.51 | RzR | I mean i want to reply on platform policy for now ... not doing harcore hacks on my handset |
| 19:40.33 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: but hardcore hacks are the best hacks :D |
| 19:41.23 | RzR | I am not against but not now |
| 19:41.39 | RzR | the planets are not in good alignment for that |
| 19:43.20 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
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| 20:25.42 | itsnotabigtruck | FiSHBoY: afaik the rescue init doesn't always work (ever work?) |
| 20:25.48 | itsnotabigtruck | you might have to try several times |
| 20:26.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also booting that put the n9 into open mode until you reflash the entire thing |
| 20:26.38 | itsnotabigtruck | this sounds like a special case though...maybe the storage IS fried |
| 20:26.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it could be a fried emmc |
| 20:28.05 | FiSHBoY | yeah, I had assumed that the rescue init worked since the disk device showed up via usb, but I'll try it a few more times anyways. Yeah, I'm not really worried about reflashing the whole thing to stock, since it didn't boot at all when I got it and they aren't worried about the user data ;) |
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| 20:30.53 | FiSHBoY | can't list partitions or anything... but yeah, I'll poke at it a little more, I just thought I'd ask in case anyone had something else magical to try. thanks! |
| 20:31.27 | itsnotabigtruck | FiSHBoY: what happens if you try to reflash it |
| 20:31.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest reflowing the EMMC |
| 20:31.32 | SpeedEvil | But that is a bit harder |
| 20:31.39 | itsnotabigtruck | if you don't care about the data, then you could try it |
| 20:31.41 | SpeedEvil | And involves more than wrapping it in towels. |
| 20:31.45 | itsnotabigtruck | if it explodes violently, it's probably a dead emmc |
| 20:31.54 | FiSHBoY | hah, chuck it in the toaster oven? ;) |
| 20:32.09 | FiSHBoY | if I try a full reflash it fails on rootfs at 32768/total |
| 20:32.11 | itsnotabigtruck | is the unit in warranty? are you not in an area where nokia tries to shirk its warranty obligations (us/canada)? |
| 20:32.13 | FiSHBoY | but everything else flashes |
| 20:32.32 | FiSHBoY | haha, I'm in Canada |
| 20:32.34 | itsnotabigtruck | guess you're in canada, so that's bad |
| 20:32.43 | FiSHBoY | well, it's not mine ;) |
| 20:32.44 | FiSHBoY | mine is fine |
| 20:33.28 | itsnotabigtruck | there seems to have been a not-insignificant number of catastrophic emmc failures |
| 20:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest reflashing with a proper power supply and fully charged battery, at reaosnable room temperature |
| 20:33.36 | itsnotabigtruck | or non-catastrophic failures (such as ecc errors) |
| 20:33.59 | FiSHBoY | yeah, the battery was also at 0% when I got it, took some playing to get it to start charging at first :P |
| 20:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | err, scratch the power supply, make that "proper USB host port" |
| 20:34.20 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: sounds like the problem is way deeper than low battery |
| 20:34.21 | FiSHBoY | but at least I was able to get it to charge (stares at N900 with dead battery in it) |
| 20:34.34 | FiSHBoY | yeah, I have it plugged into a USB port directly on my board |
| 20:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes, the problem is again way deeper than you think I'm suggesting |
| 20:35.06 | itsnotabigtruck | it'll tell you how much battery you have when you flash it, if it's more than 20% i doubt low battery could possibly be an issue |
| 20:35.28 | FiSHBoY | yeah, it's about 50 at the moment for sure |
| 20:35.32 | FiSHBoY | er above |
| 20:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | and if you'd bother to read my post completely, you'd notice I suggested *flashing* with fully charged battery, not simply to recharge battery and see if that helps |
| 20:37.33 | FiSHBoY | hehe, yes, I will try that as well in my rapidly diminishing list of options :) |
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| 20:37.36 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: and when he tried to flash it, it didn't even start on the rootfs (because that's when it tried to touch the kaputt emmc) |
| 20:39.08 | itsnotabigtruck | bbl! |
| 20:39.39 | FiSHBoY | later, thanks |
| 20:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you can bin this one |
| 20:43.15 | FiSHBoY | sounds like |
| 20:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | ntw re MIC: I checked N9 now, my assumtion about location of mics stands (N9 actualy has no diffs to hooker in that regard) |
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| 21:11.56 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit :| windows failed to sleep again |
| 21:12.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i need to figure out what's at the root of this |
| 21:12.25 | trip0 | windows |
| 21:12.29 | trip0 | i win |
| 21:12.30 | itsnotabigtruck | >_> |
| 21:12.31 | trip0 | bows |
| 21:12.42 | itsnotabigtruck | linux isn't exactly known for perfect suspend/softsuspend functionality |
| 21:12.51 | trip0 | who suspends? |
| 21:13.06 | itsnotabigtruck | on windows, it works, until it doesn't, on linux, it just plain doesn't work :p |
| 21:13.21 | trip0 | suspend worked great on my laptop on ubuntu 11.10 |
| 21:13.25 | itsnotabigtruck | and it's really really useful if you move around a lot with a laptop |
| 21:13.32 | trip0 | hasn't worked since i upgraded tho |
| 21:13.43 | itsnotabigtruck | suspend, toss in a bag, go |
| 21:13.49 | trip0 | yeh |
| 21:14.08 | trip0 | i honestly don't miss it much... this thing boots so fast it's almost the same |
| 21:14.26 | trip0 | but working suspend would be nice |
| 21:14.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not about the boot times, it's about having your apps stay open |
| 21:14.38 | trip0 | yeh, kde opens up all my apps |
| 21:14.52 | trip0 | but they aren't in the same state as they were when i closed-the-lid |
| 21:15.00 | itsnotabigtruck | it won't reflect exactly how it was before you powered off |
| 21:15.10 | itsnotabigtruck | in fact i don't understand why you'd want to launch all your apps automatically on bootup |
| 21:15.16 | itsnotabigtruck | it makes sense for stuff like im clients that are supposed to be always on |
| 21:15.24 | trip0 | i bet it'll get fixed by the time this is a stable release (ubuntu sid) |
| 21:15.37 | itsnotabigtruck | not for stuff like browsers, file browsers, terminals, editors, etc. |
| 21:15.58 | trip0 | it's pretty useful |
| 21:16.04 | trip0 | i always have the same stuff open all the time |
| 21:16.20 | trip0 | it's annoying when it opens up crap i use only once-in-a-blue-moon tho |
| 21:17.07 | itsnotabigtruck | the big disadvantage of suspend is that it's insecure |
| 21:17.18 | itsnotabigtruck | compared to poweroff |
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| 21:23.41 | Jare | is there any audio recording software with manual gain control? |
| 21:23.46 | Jare | for the n9 |
| 21:24.27 | itsnotabigtruck | Jare: want to test my opptimizer package / bootstrap program |
| 21:24.40 | itsnotabigtruck | you need to have inception and a stock kernel |
| 21:25.08 | Jare | what does it do |
| 21:25.13 | itsnotabigtruck | (same to anyone else btw trip0 etc. ^) |
| 21:25.39 | itsnotabigtruck | it just takes care of the aegis stuff to get the opptimizer modules loaded |
| 21:26.32 | Jare | mmkay, sorry I don't have time for that atm, but thanks anyways |
| 21:27.20 | FiSHBoY | dmesg |
| 21:27.23 | FiSHBoY | er |
| 21:27.24 | FiSHBoY | ww |
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| 21:28.29 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.dualpixels.com/profiles/blogs/rumor-mirror-s-edge-2-in-development-for-durango-kinect-2 mirror's edge 2 better not end up being an xbox 720 exclusive |
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