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| 00:22.40 | teleshoes | anyone know if theres a binary package for python-resourcepolicy somewhere? |
| 00:22.51 | teleshoes | its a python wrapper for libresourceqt |
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| 00:36.25 | itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: hm |
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| 00:37.12 | itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: where's the source package |
| 00:37.37 | teleshoes | https://gitorious.org/harmattan-python/python-resourcepolicy |
| 00:37.48 | teleshoes | this may or may not exist at all |
| 00:39.28 | itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: not finding much |
| 00:39.33 | itsnotabigtruck | building your own deb shouldn't be too hard |
| 00:41.24 | teleshoes | this is the sort of thing that really ought to be in dev |
| 00:41.38 | teleshoes | it will be a dependency of my button monitor |
| 00:41.44 | teleshoes | so i may have to merge the two projects |
| 00:42.38 | teleshoes | i thought people wrote harmattan qt apps in python all the time |
| 00:42.49 | itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: oh FFS |
| 00:43.04 | itsnotabigtruck | python-resourcepolicy depends on libpyside-dev |
| 00:43.21 | itsnotabigtruck | which is mismatched to libpyside1.0 |
| 00:43.28 | teleshoes | fuuuuuu |
| 00:44.14 | teleshoes | {btw, whats ffs?} |
| 00:44.19 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/p/pyside/ |
| 00:44.34 | itsnotabigtruck | for f__k's sake |
| 00:44.37 | teleshoes | ah |
| 00:47.03 | teleshoes | life is so hard |
| 00:50.51 | teleshoes | eff it, i should just write a separate program in c that does nothing but eat the volume buttons |
| 00:51.08 | Arie | lol |
| 01:01.18 | itsnotabigtruck | teleshoes: well, what you could do is grab pyside's source package files from the sdk_sources iso |
| 01:01.20 | itsnotabigtruck | build that |
| 01:01.25 | itsnotabigtruck | then build python-resourcepolicy |
| 01:01.32 | itsnotabigtruck | then ship python-resourcepolicy |
| 01:01.35 | teleshoes | and then distribute that |
| 01:01.38 | teleshoes | yeaaaaa |
| 01:01.43 | itsnotabigtruck | no need to ship the pyside stuff, that's just to get the other to build |
| 01:01.48 | teleshoes | mmhmm |
| 01:02.31 | teleshoes | instead |
| 01:02.39 | teleshoes | i could just feel extremely bitter toward nokia |
| 01:02.40 | teleshoes | and cry about it |
| 01:04.12 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
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| 01:26.29 | sigmaorion | Hi there... has anybody managed to connect to a PPTP VPN with N9? |
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| 01:44.29 | itsnotabigtruck | might require kernelstuff that isn't there sigmaorion |
| 01:44.53 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, you mean ppp support? |
| 01:45.17 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 01:46.00 | sigmaorion | couldn't it be loaded as a module? |
| 01:46.24 | sigmaorion | I mean, if I could compile it and insert it with insmod, maybe... |
| 02:00.28 | sigmaorion | doen Nokia provides us with full harmattan PR1.2 kernel sources? |
| 02:00.33 | sigmaorion | *does |
| 02:00.41 | CreamyG31338 | yes |
| 02:00.58 | CreamyG31338 | on cd |
| 02:01.04 | CreamyG31338 | but someone upped it to a repo somewhere |
| 02:01.27 | CreamyG31338 | and i think the tar.gz is around too |
| 02:01.32 | sigmaorion | oh, ok, so those I found as torrents googling around are good ones |
| 02:01.43 | sigmaorion | that's cool! |
| 02:01.45 | CreamyG31338 | hahaha ummmm maybe? |
| 02:02.25 | sigmaorion | would Nokia send my a copy of that CD/DVD if I require it? |
| 02:02.57 | CreamyG31338 | sure, they sent a few out already |
| 02:03.13 | CreamyG31338 | i think this is the filename : kernel_2.6.32-20115101+0m7.tar.gz |
| 02:04.20 | sigmaorion | thanks for the info, CreamyG31338!! Do you know how to contact them to make that request? |
| 02:04.34 | itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: there's no need to request it |
| 02:04.43 | itsnotabigtruck | the DVD they send out has already been ripped and uploaded |
| 02:05.16 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, yeap, sure, you're right |
| 02:05.45 | itsnotabigtruck | magnet:?xt=urn:btih:39457b1a487752bc48c66f1f09dfc0b8f0af62de&dn=Harmattan_N9_SDK_Sources_PR1.2&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80 |
| 02:05.51 | sigmaorion | so, it's there, in case I need kernel headers, I can get them to compile any module |
| 02:05.53 | itsnotabigtruck | or iso download: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2-2/SDK_Sources_PR1.2.ISO |
| 02:06.12 | itsnotabigtruck | as for kernel headers, you can obtain the package by building the kernel package, that takes a while though |
| 02:06.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i probably ought to upload my built kernel-headers package somewhere |
| 02:06.27 | CreamyG31338 | i upped it somewhere already |
| 02:06.34 | itsnotabigtruck | oh cool |
| 02:06.38 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, cool, a direct link! |
| 02:06.39 | itsnotabigtruck | however, it's problematic to build in-tree modules |
| 02:07.37 | CreamyG31338 | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=40296&postcount=13 |
| 02:08.09 | CreamyG31338 | that has 3 more debs since i wasn't sure which is the correct headers |
| 02:08.25 | CreamyG31338 | i suck at linux :P |
| 02:09.37 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, if it is problematic then it might be imposible for me, lol! But i'd like to try it anyway |
| 02:10.11 | itsnotabigtruck | sigmaorion: the problem is that enabling an in-tree module will often make the built module unloadable on the existing kernel |
| 02:10.36 | itsnotabigtruck | there has to be something that can be done but i'm not sure what |
| 02:10.49 | itsnotabigtruck | also, sometimes enabling a module enables stuff in other parts of the kernel that aren't built as modulesw |
| 02:11.44 | sigmaorion | hmmm... nice challenge |
| 02:15.04 | itsnotabigtruck | and the 2nd one is what i think you need |
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| 02:15.54 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure wtf the 3rd one is |
| 02:16.28 | CreamyG31338 | yeah i dunno i installed all 3 since i wasn't sure |
| 02:17.32 | itsnotabigtruck | well, kernel-headers is what you need if you want to build out-of-tree modules, anyway |
| 02:17.40 | itsnotabigtruck | for in-tree modules you need the actual kernel source |
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| 05:22.13 | sigmaorion | sorry, itsnotabigtruck, I had to rush |
| 05:22.50 | sigmaorion | so, the 2nd link are kernel headers? |
| 05:22.57 | sigmaorion | I will download it |
| 05:23.32 | sigmaorion | gotta go, it's pretty late here. Thank you guys, see you later... |
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| 05:45.21 | Jeffrey04 | has anyone tried creating a daemon with python here? |
| 05:46.42 | ajalkane | No, but since it's as easy as creating Upstart launcher script, it should be pretty straightforward |
| 05:46.54 | Jeffrey04 | yea, done that |
| 05:46.59 | Jeffrey04 | the script is started |
| 05:47.04 | Jeffrey04 | but somehow the daemon is not running |
| 05:47.25 | ajalkane | Is it text only daemon or does it try to do some UI stuff? |
| 05:47.32 | Jeffrey04 | text only daemon for now |
| 05:47.39 | Jeffrey04 | cos it is very much a proof of concept |
| 05:48.42 | ajalkane | Upstarted daemons don't have all the default environment you get when running from command-line. Depending what you try to do in the script it may be a problem |
| 05:49.16 | Jeffrey04 | how do i track the problem? |
| 05:49.33 | Jeffrey04 | because i don't know how to redirect the output as this is my first time writing a daemon :/ |
| 05:49.50 | Jeffrey04 | mine is based on this http://www.jejik.com/articles/2007/02/a_simple_unix_linux_daemon_in_python/ |
| 05:54.31 | ajalkane | Ah hmm... I think you should not do forking and what not when you Upstart your daemon (?). |
| 05:54.49 | Jeffrey04 | so what's the proper way if I want to do it with python? |
| 05:54.56 | ajalkane | I think Upstart takes care of the boring stuff. You just write your application. |
| 05:55.32 | ajalkane | Have you tried getting rid of all that forking and daemonizing stuff, and just putting your script (that should not exit) to be started by Upstart? |
| 05:55.40 | Jeffrey04 | not yet |
| 05:56.27 | Jeffrey04 | shouldn't i fork? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect-daemon |
| 05:57.16 | ajalkane | I guess if you have in your Upstart configuration the "expect daemon" instruction. |
| 05:57.34 | Jeffrey04 | yes |
| 05:58.28 | ajalkane | It just seems unnecessary complex, unless you want your daemon to be compatible with non-Upstart systems |
| 05:59.07 | Jeffrey04 | erm, the daemon is only usable on harmattan lol |
| 05:59.16 | ajalkane | You could write your errors into some file location to debug the issue. At least then you'd know where it goes haywire |
| 05:59.35 | ajalkane | If it's only for harmattan I'd get rid of all that forking business and just do regular script that's running |
| 05:59.45 | ajalkane | Upstart will take care of running it in background and restarting it |
| 05:59.47 | Jeffrey04 | trying to, but not too familiar with both python and daemon lol |
| 05:59.50 | Jeffrey04 | iC |
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| 06:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | are you sure it's at least loading your python interpreter? |
| 06:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | python *might* not be available (at all, or in $PATH) during boot time |
| 06:14.55 | Jeffrey04 | the interpreter should be up because the script is able to generate a file in /tmp telling me what pid the daemon is running |
| 06:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 06:15.05 | Jeffrey04 | the problem is that, the daemon is not running |
| 06:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | what's your definition of "not running"? |
| 06:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | is there a process "python mydaemon.py"? |
| 06:16.08 | Jeffrey04 | nope |
| 06:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | then for some reason it exits, no? |
| 06:16.45 | Jeffrey04 | yea, need to find out why it exists |
| 06:16.47 | Jeffrey04 | exits* |
| 06:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | redirect all std- and error-output to a file on start, |
| 06:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | the classical unix way |
| 06:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | check what it does when you start it from commandline |
| 06:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | if nothing else helps, start it via strace in your upstart script |
| 06:20.37 | Jeffrey04 | strace? |
| 06:21.08 | Jeffrey04 | is there a man page for that? |
| 06:21.13 | Jeffrey04 | or i need to first install the package? |
| 06:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | strace -f -ologfile.txt python mydaemon.py |
| 06:21.42 | Jeffrey04 | do i need to first install a package? |
| 06:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | strace is in developer tools somewhere |
| 06:21.51 | Jeffrey04 | trace |
| 06:21.51 | Jeffrey04 | -sh: strace: not found |
| 06:21.52 | Jeffrey04 | ok |
| 06:21.56 | Jeffrey04 | strace* |
| 06:22.16 | Jeffrey04 | oh, found it, thanks |
| 06:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 06:22.25 | Jeffrey04 | let me try what i can do |
| 06:22.28 | Jeffrey04 | thanks for the help guys |
| 06:22.29 | Jeffrey04 | :) |
| 06:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace |
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| 06:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | Jeffrey04: ^^ |
| 06:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | awesome: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace#How_to_Trace_All_the_Running_Applications |
| 06:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you can have a lot of fun with this one ;-D |
| 06:29.46 | Jeffrey04 | probably, is still a bit confused with all the threading/forking involved in Qt :/ |
| 06:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | don't worry about forking, strace -f takes care of it |
| 06:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | you however do NOT want to do the "trace $world" suggestion above :-D |
| 06:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | it will make something explode - either your device, or your storage, or your brain XP |
| 06:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | or rather, srace will miss so much of all the traced processes that in the end the trace is bogus |
| 06:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | plus, I'm all but sure if Qt is the right toolbox for a daemon |
| 06:35.10 | Jeffrey04 | am trying to use QSystemAlignedTimer here |
| 06:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's probably pretty hard to use Qt in a clean X-free way |
| 06:35.32 | Jeffrey04 | since there's no cron :/ |
| 06:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, on fremantle we had alarmd for that |
| 06:36.02 | CreamyG31337 | that will work fine |
| 06:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about HARM |
| 06:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | as a general rule, since daemons are running/loaded all the time, you don't want to use libs with much overhead. Even python isn't really suited for a daemon |
| 06:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | sure you can implement a PoC |
| 06:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | but in the end you want a daemon as lean as possible |
| 06:39.52 | trupheenix | anyone got ideas on how i can get the screen dimensions via QML? i want to place a web view element with fixed width based on the screen. |
| 06:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | (though this rationale applies to interactive apps as well, it's particularly important for daemons, as you *always* have them eating your RAM, all the time and all of them) |
| 06:41.29 | ajalkane | Jeffrey04: I'd recommend starting by bare bones. First make a daemon that pretty much writes "hello world" to file every second. If you get that first running, start adding stuff |
| 06:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 06:42.15 | Jeffrey04 | i probably would have to start everything over again |
| 06:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't see why you need any sophisticated timer for that, a simple sleep() does the trick, if you don't need realtime sync |
| 06:42.41 | Jeffrey04 | is getting very confused with the multithreading QSystemAlignedTimer introduced |
| 06:42.41 | ajalkane | No, if you get the bare bones version running, you just need to copy-paste stuff into it |
| 06:43.23 | ajalkane | QSystemAlignedTimer is supposed to use less battery |
| 06:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 06:43.36 | Jeffrey04 | but it introduces multithreading lol |
| 06:43.46 | ajalkane | I haven't myself noticed any big difference |
| 06:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | it has a small difference for timer durations in the sub-second range |
| 06:44.31 | Jeffrey04 | that's cool for me |
| 06:44.37 | Jeffrey04 | not a time critical daemon |
| 06:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | as it's syncing events to other timers of foreign processes, so CPU doesn't have to awake multiple times |
| 06:44.49 | Jeffrey04 | just need to run a check like once every minute or somehting |
| 06:45.16 | Jeffrey04 | so i should change to a basic sleep()? |
| 06:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | sleep 60 |
| 06:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 06:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | perfect |
| 06:45.43 | Jeffrey04 | then the script will be a lot simplified lol |
| 06:45.53 | ajalkane | Simple is good |
| 06:46.12 | Jeffrey04 | yea |
| 06:46.29 | ajalkane | I'd only use QSystemAlignedTimer as a replacement for QTimer. Then the complexity is not any bigger whichever you use |
| 06:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above I'd by all means try to avoid Qt in daemons |
| 06:48.57 | Jeffrey04 | only used qt for the timer thingy |
| 06:49.01 | Jeffrey04 | and this |
| 06:49.02 | Jeffrey04 | QSystemNetworkInfo().networkStatus(QSystemNetworkInfo.WlanMode) == QSystemNetworkInfo.Connected |
| 06:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | you know the terrifying result of a printf "hello world" (50k binary). Try same with Qt, then you know what I meant |
| 06:49.43 | Jeffrey04 | :) |
| 06:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | odds are your python+Qt daemon has a footprint in the tens of MB range in the end |
| 06:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | also keep in mind that /usr/* might not be available during early stages of boot |
| 06:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | so your daemon might not be alowed to use any of what's in there |
| 06:53.58 | Jeffrey04 | :) |
| 06:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | depending on point in time during init that it's started |
| 06:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | see |
| 06:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 06:54.36 | infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" |
| 06:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | for a bad example how to mess up with all this |
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| 06:55.28 | Jeffrey04 | lol, |
| 06:55.34 | Jeffrey04 | no idea what's that all about |
| 06:55.39 | Jeffrey04 | i am a web developer lol |
| 06:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's about fremantle and Nokia not considering the advice I gave above, which is in line with general rules in FHS |
| 06:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | which resulted in a mega mess that still hurts us every single day |
| 06:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | /usr is to be considered nonexistent during early boot (until mount) |
| 06:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | though rather irrelevant for 'apps', any deamon might need to consider that and use according design |
| 06:59.52 | Jeffrey04 | :) |
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| 07:05.00 | ajalkane | on Harmattan at least the 3rd party daemons are started so late that this is luckily no problem |
| 07:05.21 | ajalkane | They're started something like 1-2 minutes after you get the app grid visible! |
| 07:05.31 | ajalkane | Which of course can cause other kind of problems... |
| 07:05.41 | CreamyG31337 | yeah hopefully you waited long enough before deciding yours isn't running lol |
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| 07:09.06 | Jeffrey04 | yea, waited long enough, :) and the daemon died, not sure what happens |
| 07:09.22 | Jeffrey04 | probably something is wrong in my implementation of qsystemalignedtimer |
| 07:09.29 | Jeffrey04 | i mean, the way i use it |
| 07:10.31 | ajalkane | but in that case you should see the problem also when running the script manually from command-line, but this didn't happen right? |
| 07:11.09 | Jeffrey04 | after writing the error to a file, i get this |
| 07:11.12 | Jeffrey04 | QObject: Cannot create children for a parent that is in a different thread. |
| 07:11.15 | Jeffrey04 | a new one |
| 07:11.20 | Jeffrey04 | didn't get this before |
| 07:11.21 | Jeffrey04 | lol |
| 07:11.28 | Jeffrey04 | need to check again what went wrong later tonight |
| 07:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | don't use Qt and all will be fine :-D |
| 07:11.53 | rigo | ha! |
| 07:12.15 | Jeffrey04 | just changed everything to a simple while loop and sleep |
| 07:12.21 | Jeffrey04 | will see how it goes |
| 07:14.58 | trupheenix | jonni, hi |
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| 07:27.56 | jonni | trupheenix: QML Screen Element has height and width |
| 07:28.25 | trupheenix | jonni, ok |
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| 08:32.19 | khertan | Morning |
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| 10:34.22 | khertan | Comments from the QA team: |
| 10:34.22 | khertan | FAILED: Linking to an External Store or Website promoting competing products. |
| 10:34.25 | khertan | SUMMARY: The support website includes links to an external website instead of the Nokia Store. |
| 10:34.28 | khertan | REQUIREMENT: According to the Nokia Store publisher registration and distribution agreement: “5.4. Non-Compete – You may not use the Program to distribute or make available any Content whose primary purpose is to facilitate the distribution of Content outside of the Program.” |
| 10:34.33 | khertan | ACTUAL RESULT: The support website contains link to external store, http://apps.formeego.com/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/khtsimpletext/. |
| 10:34.36 | khertan | EXPECTED RESULT: Promotion of external storefronts and websites with competing products are not allowed. Links to download the same content or other related content should be linked to the Nokia Store instead of the publisher’s own website or other distribution channels. (public, Moderation in progress -> Qa failed) |
| 10:34.41 | khertan | oups |
| 10:34.44 | khertan | sorry |
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| 10:47.05 | rzr | khertan, this is no fun |
| 10:49.03 | auenf | hmm, meecast 'find location via gps' is broken? |
| 10:50.05 | rzr | khertan, my app is stuck at the china checkpoint |
| 10:58.40 | khertan | rzr: no it s not funny |
| 10:58.46 | khertan | rzr: but i can understand |
| 10:59.44 | rzr | exclusivity only applies to the binaries form ? |
| 11:00.41 | rzr | have u tested serval ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75880 |
| 11:00.42 | khertan | rzr: it look like |
| 11:00.49 | SpeedEvil | Can nokia store actually distribute source? |
| 11:00.51 | ajalkane | I don't think Nokia store has any problems that the app is in apps for meego too. You just shouldn't advertise it from support pages that can be reached from the Nokia store version :P |
| 11:00.52 | khertan | s/it/it s |
| 11:01.29 | khertan | ajalkane: exactly, this is what they said, the support page of your app should not promote other binary download |
| 11:01.30 | SpeedEvil | It's required to 'advertise' that the program is available in source form - wich would clearly be 'related content'. |
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| 11:01.36 | khertan | http://khertan.net/medias/khtsimpletext_screenshot_4.png |
| 11:01.40 | khertan | rzr: http://khertan.net/medias/khtsimpletext_screenshot_4.png |
| 11:01.49 | SpeedEvil | But if they're being rational - good. |
| 11:02.22 | rzr | khertan, congratz it is fast ? |
| 11:03.34 | khertan | rzr: it s not in real time :) |
| 11:03.45 | khertan | rzr: as you can't edit partial content of a TextArea :) |
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| 11:04.13 | rzr | btw i noticed you did look at opengles , didnt you ? |
| 11:04.19 | khertan | The problem here is that my support page promote the download from Apps4Meego ... |
| 11:04.38 | khertan | so the fail on QA is perfectly normal |
| 11:04.54 | khertan | rzr: i ve try to syntax highlight using pygame also ;) |
| 11:05.03 | khertan | but lost os integration |
| 11:05.10 | khertan | so not a good things |
| 11:05.20 | rzr | redak status : |
| 11:05.20 | rzr | QA Report overview |
| 11:05.20 | rzr | File status: In Progress |
| 11:05.20 | rzr | Item status: Passed |
| 11:05.24 | rzr | Distribution in QA |
| 11:05.26 | rzr | Pending 0.4 % Show >> |
| 11:05.28 | rzr | In progress 0.0 % |
| 11:05.30 | rzr | Passed 99.6 % Show >> |
| 11:05.32 | rzr | Failed 0.0 % |
| 11:05.34 | rzr | been stuck for weeks now |
| 11:05.47 | ajalkane | Good old china. My Apps stuck in china too |
| 11:05.50 | ajalkane | Release it, bastards |
| 11:05.56 | khertan | strange, it s took 1 days for having KhtSimpleText in ovistore |
| 11:06.22 | rzr | ajalkane, how long ? |
| 11:08.02 | rzr | ajalkane, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1196901#post1196901 |
| 11:08.42 | khertan | rzr: did you have also problem with large text ? ui freeze ? |
| 11:09.04 | khertan | rzr: until qml text property is filled ? |
| 11:09.46 | rzr | i noticied some weirdness while focus on it to show on screen kb |
| 11:10.17 | rzr | khertan, i did not test it that much , it worked on my notes ... |
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| 11:11.53 | khertan | rzr: héhé ... i m also planning to finish my note taking apps which sync with https://github.com/kasparsd/HTML5-Notepad-with-Sync |
| 11:12.19 | khertan | http://notepad.konstruktors.com/ <<< demo:demo |
| 11:12.29 | khertan | it s a nice html |
| 11:12.30 | khertan | 5 |
| 11:12.32 | rzr | git ? |
| 11:12.32 | khertan | notepad apps |
| 11:12.55 | khertan | there is no public git of my apps yet |
| 11:13.10 | khertan | it s broken on too many part to make it public right now |
| 11:13.11 | khertan | :) |
| 11:13.11 | rzr | i mean do you use git to sync contents ? |
| 11:13.31 | khertan | no, notes are stored on webserv |
| 11:13.35 | khertan | webserver |
| 11:13.44 | khertan | and sync is manually written |
| 11:13.49 | rzr | ok |
| 11:14.07 | khertan | json via https post request |
| 11:14.08 | khertan | :) |
| 11:14.59 | rzr | looks good |
| 11:15.34 | rzr | I wish there is a nodejs port |
| 11:24.48 | ajalkane | rzr: not weeks... actually I just submitted the app in saturday so I was surprised it's only china blocking it at the moment |
| 11:25.05 | ajalkane | Usually china has only blocked for week |
| 11:30.12 | khertan | after 15 May, khertan software update will probably be slower than today : Diablo 3 release date :) |
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| 11:32.15 | ajalkane | Then try and sort out your sources so that someone can carry on the development while you're sitting in Diablo 3 coma! |
| 11:32.41 | ajalkane | When you wake up from your slumber, in perhaps 6 months, you can continue from well progressed sources |
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| 13:55.52 | khertan | rzr: http://support.publish.nokia.com/?p=4457&type=alert |
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| 14:18.31 | Sazpaimon_ | you know what would be nice |
| 14:18.45 | Sazpaimon_ | a call blocker that responds with a "disconnected or no longer in service" message |
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| 14:52.15 | cityLights | I need help, I removed all my email acounts, then added my gmail but I dont see my emails |
| 14:52.24 | cityLights | the email client used to work |
| 14:52.54 | cityLights | then one of the three acounts was closed, and since then I am unable to use email on my N9 |
| 14:53.08 | cityLights | is there a ~/.modest I can remove? |
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| 15:08.27 | cityLights | X-Fade: hi there, can you help me with the email client? |
| 15:08.47 | cityLights | where are the files kept? how can I remove them? |
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| 17:31.19 | ieatlint | i love that the store on the n9 will occasionally tell me it needs to install dependencies when i try to install an app.. but it doesn't tell me what they are |
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| 17:46.56 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: usually it's python or something python related |
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| 18:00.42 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i don't think i've installed python that many times :P |
| 18:00.51 | ieatlint | i'm not really worried, just curious |
| 18:01.58 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: well, it could be various parts of pyside |
| 18:11.40 | khertan | rzr: qa passed 5 hours ... not bad. waiting that is available in store |
| 18:12.00 | ieatlint | the spotify app is pretty decently done |
| 18:12.43 | ieatlint | friend convinced me to do their free trial.. i'm disconcerted about the forced facebook integration, but the app definitely was reviewed by some competent QA people, which is a rare blessing |
| 18:17.01 | itsnotabigtruck | khertan: how about updating http://apps.formeego.com/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/khtsimpletext/ to the latest version |
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| 18:17.26 | itsnotabigtruck | also i don't understand wtf nokia thinks they're doing with this no-links-to-other-sites business |
| 18:17.28 | itsnotabigtruck | it's insane |
| 18:17.49 | itsnotabigtruck | especially apps for meego in particular |
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| 18:21.44 | djszapi | anybody using QDeclarativeEngine in here for showing up the main qml ? |
| 18:21.47 | djszapi | hey btw :-) |
| 18:24.06 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: you might have more luck with your questions if you just asked straight away |
| 18:25.27 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: that is the question |
| 18:27.09 | rm_work | hey, anyone know offhand what the SMS database file is called / where it is located? |
| 18:27.21 | rm_work | is it somewhere in the user directory? |
| 18:27.41 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, does it work? |
| 18:28.02 | itsnotabigtruck | rm_work: it's in the user directory, i think, mixed in with the tracker stuff |
| 18:28.05 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not understand that question. |
| 18:28.10 | itsnotabigtruck | not precisely sure where |
| 18:28.17 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: QDeclarativeEngine that is |
| 18:28.23 | beford | rm_work, there is an script on tmo to backup SMSs it could give you an idea |
| 18:28.27 | djszapi | QDE what is ? |
| 18:28.33 | rzr | have u hacked gles a bit ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1197089#post1197089 ? |
| 18:29.03 | rm_work | beford: OMFG |
| 18:29.04 | itsnotabigtruck | also, how backward compatible is qt5? |
| 18:29.09 | rm_work | that is actually what i am trying to do |
| 18:29.12 | rm_work | where is that |
| 18:29.15 | rm_work | wiki? |
| 18:29.21 | beford | tmo thread |
| 18:29.23 | beford | let me see |
| 18:29.28 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: "well, does it work?" where it is that class |
| 18:29.37 | rm_work | i didn't see one last time i checked, SMS history is the only thing keeping me from upgrading my N950 to PR1.2 from whatever beta firmware it shipped with |
| 18:29.43 | beford | rm_work, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83166&highlight=sms+backup |
| 18:30.27 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: work with what ? |
| 18:30.28 | rm_work | thanks beford!! |
| 18:30.30 | djszapi | I am not getting. |
| 18:30.43 | djszapi | hmm, beford hi :) |
| 18:30.48 | djszapi | beford: would need some Mac testing. |
| 18:31.07 | beford | hey djszapi |
| 18:31.24 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: well, you're probably asking about QDeclarativeEngine because you want to use it on harmattan or are having trouble doing so |
| 18:31.33 | itsnotabigtruck | otherwise, not sure why you're asking here... |
| 18:31.46 | itsnotabigtruck | my question really isn't very cryptic |
| 18:31.59 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, minetest = irrlicht |
| 18:32.08 | itsnotabigtruck | so if irrlicht does opengl es, it might be a go |
| 18:32.21 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: not getting what you mean really. |
| 18:32.25 | rzr | IICR it does |
| 18:32.31 | djszapi | QDE is obviously for qml stuff, asking for example |
| 18:32.35 | djszapi | what is the problem ? |
| 18:32.56 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, but how comes the pvr blob is not in obs ? |
| 18:33.15 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: the pvr blob? |
| 18:33.41 | rzr | opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_1.4.268+0m6_armel.deb |
| 18:33.44 | rzr | actually |
| 18:33.49 | itsnotabigtruck | did you put a buildep on that? |
| 18:34.05 | rzr | when i tried yes |
| 18:34.09 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's in the harmattan-dev repo, obs should be able to find it |
| 18:34.23 | rzr | i am not sure it is present |
| 18:34.31 | rzr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=40581#post40581 |
| 18:34.34 | itsnotabigtruck | and i expect you're well aware of how much of a stickler about build dependencies OBS is |
| 18:34.59 | itsnotabigtruck | i've had to rev some of my packages over and over and over due to missing build dependencies |
| 18:36.21 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: so what happens if you put that package in your buildeps |
| 18:36.28 | itsnotabigtruck | is it unresolvable or does it build |
| 18:36.34 | rzr | unresolvable |
| 18:36.43 | itsnotabigtruck | got a link to the package page? |
| 18:37.08 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like there's a link in the fmc post |
| 18:37.36 | rzr | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/nokia-binaries/41667a5bd857be02f487c2ce806fbf85/nokia-binaries/o/opengles-sgx-img/opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_1.4.268+0m6_armel.deb |
| 18:37.49 | rzr | no dsc though :) |
| 18:37.52 | itsnotabigtruck | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.42), libvorbis-dev, libsdl1.2-dev, libsdl-ttf2.0-dev, libpng12-dev, opengles-sgx-img-common-dev [arm armel] |
| 18:38.00 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ i think that [arm armel] is confusing OBS |
| 18:38.22 | djszapi | yes, it does |
| 18:38.27 | itsnotabigtruck | since the dependency isn't architecture-dependent anyway, it shouldn't be marked as such |
| 18:38.27 | djszapi | remove that. |
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| 18:38.48 | itsnotabigtruck | (it's hardware dependent, but you could have powervr on i386 or any other arch too) |
| 18:39.36 | itsnotabigtruck | oh btw, are the people working on debian chroot setups using debian's new armhf architecture? |
| 18:39.41 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=sdlgles&project=home%3Arzr%3Amaemo&repository=harmattan |
| 18:39.49 | rzr | what i tested |
| 18:40.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i think armhf is equivalent to harmattan's idea of armel |
| 18:40.06 | rzr | err |
| 18:40.10 | itsnotabigtruck | (hf = hard float armv7) |
| 18:40.21 | rzr | yes |
| 18:40.47 | rzr | bbl |
| 18:40.54 | cityLights | hi |
| 18:41.00 | beford | i |
| 18:41.02 | beford | h |
| 18:41.04 | cityLights | how to remove all email files? |
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| 18:41.27 | cityLights | I removed the acounts in the manager , then re entered my gmail |
| 18:41.32 | cityLights | but it doesnt sync |
| 18:41.43 | cityLights | I can't get my emails on the N9 |
| 18:41.53 | cityLights | is there a ~/.modest I can remove? |
| 18:42.10 | beford | I remember itsnotabigtruck giving a command to do something like that, check on the logs of the channel and/or ask hime |
| 18:43.15 | beford | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-04-15.log.html#t2012-04-15T10:37:01 |
| 18:43.16 | beford | found it |
| 18:43.23 | beford | it will remove all the accounts I believe |
| 18:43.56 | cityLights | sweet thanks |
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| 18:44.50 | cityLights | piggz_: haya |
| 18:49.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't know if that'll do what you want |
| 18:49.57 | itsnotabigtruck | cityLights ^ also, the n9 doesn't run modest |
| 18:50.04 | itsnotabigtruck | the new client is called fenix, if that helps you find anything |
| 18:50.21 | cityLights | yes I found it using top |
| 18:51.14 | itsnotabigtruck | connected via wifi tether now because this cafe's wifi is a POS |
| 18:51.30 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so rzr: first, your package wasn't unresolvable like you said |
| 18:51.43 | itsnotabigtruck | were it unresolvable it wouldn't have started building and wouldn't have a log |
| 18:51.50 | itsnotabigtruck | also, it looks like it has the same issue |
| 18:51.55 | itsnotabigtruck | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libx11-dev, libsdl1.2-dev, libgles2-dev [i386], opengles-sgx-img-common-dev [armel] |
| 18:52.09 | itsnotabigtruck | probably best off just changing that to opengles-sgx-img-common-dev |
| 18:52.16 | rigo | hey itsnotabigtruck, just saying hello, unfortunately too busy ... |
| 18:52.26 | itsnotabigtruck | even better would be to get obs working properly :p |
| 18:52.27 | itsnotabigtruck | hey rigo |
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| 18:55.38 | itsnotabigtruck | btw #inception, you guys should get in there :p |
| 19:02.47 | piggz_ | lo cityLights |
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| 20:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | hi javispedro |
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| 20:13.35 | javispedro | moo DocScrutinizer |
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| 21:46.02 | Creteil | hi all |
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| 23:13.56 | Elleo | hey aquarius, this might interest you for nostalgia's sake if nothing else ;) http://bit.ly/HZ9DDQ and http://bit.ly/JshPwr |
| 23:15.15 | aquarius | Elleo, nice work! this is for harmattan? |
| 23:15.28 | Elleo | yep, works on the n900 with the community updates too though |
| 23:19.05 | Elleo | well, I say "works"... ;) |
| 23:19.30 | Elleo | general project management stuff, recording and waveform drawing works; playback is a bit problematic still though |
| 23:19.49 | Elleo | and I haven't done any UI stuff the moving events around/cutting/fading/etc. |
| 23:20.05 | Elleo | but its the furthest I've got with my various mobile ports ;) |
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| 23:28.08 | rm_you | ok, so i am late to the party here, but i need to flash my N950 that is still running beta1 |
| 23:28.26 | rm_you | from what i have read, I NEED to flash first to beta2, then do OTA to PR1.1? |
| 23:28.47 | rm_you | or can I now just download the one-click flasher for 1.1 and that will work? |
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| 23:38.21 | itsnotabigtruck | rm_you: damn that's old :p |
| 23:38.28 | itsnotabigtruck | you should upgrade to pr1.2 beta (almost identical to pr1.2) |
| 23:38.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't know about what you need to flash first though |
| 23:38.43 | rm_you | yeah i know |
| 23:38.49 | rm_you | i was paranoid about losing my SMS history |
| 23:38.50 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd be surprised if you have to flash anything first because it annihilates everything during the flash |
| 23:38.57 | rm_you | ah, yeah |
| 23:39.01 | rm_you | i guess if i'm not doing OTA |
| 23:39.04 | itsnotabigtruck | but maybe there's some sort of weirdness related to the calibration data area |
| 23:39.21 | itsnotabigtruck | and don't bother with the ssu (ota upgrade) unless you have to...flashing is the only way to be sure |
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