| 00:00.50 | djszapi | best when there are reviews sayings cool, but not giving five stars |
| 00:01.00 | djszapi | no way to know why not five stars, what the problems are etc. |
| 00:01.11 | djszapi | "best". |
| 00:02.49 | djszapi | Elleo: does not still work for me. |
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| 00:35.05 | djszapi | faenil: how is life... :) |
| 00:35.25 | faenil | djszapi, busy, as usual :) |
| 00:35.27 | djszapi | what are you reinventing :-D /me hides |
| 00:35.29 | faenil | what about you? |
| 00:35.51 | faenil | djszapi, nothing atm, still finishing my thesis, even if I graduated on 24th february |
| 00:35.52 | faenil | lol |
| 00:36.32 | djszapi | faenil: :) not much about me. Looking at the airplane ticket prices for QtCS. |
| 00:37.05 | faenil | nice, so you're invited :) |
| 00:37.58 | djszapi | yep, and has free accommodation, so it is worth spending money for the airplane. =] |
| 00:38.03 | djszapi | have* |
| 00:38.10 | faenil | :D |
| 00:38.12 | faenil | eheheh |
| 00:41.51 | faenil | djszapi, it's very late, time to go to bed :D |
| 00:41.54 | faenil | cya tomorrow people |
| 00:41.59 | faenil | djszapi, take care ;) |
| 00:44.41 | djszapi | faenil: sleep well :) |
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| 06:30.15 | Khertan_Work | Morning all ! |
| 06:35.26 | bef0rd | hi |
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| 07:31.57 | gabriel9|work | morning and best |
| 07:32.03 | gabriel9|work | did you saw this: http://mynokiablog.com/2012/04/25/nokia-n9-wins-design-and-art-direction-award-coveted-yellow-pencil-for-interactive-design/ |
| 07:32.05 | gabriel9|work | :) |
| 07:32.18 | gabriel9|work | and read last comments, they are modest :D |
| 07:32.21 | gabriel9|work | loool |
| 07:40.58 | mankeli | hey, is the difference between launching an app from home screen, and launching app from terminal documented somewhere? it seems that my app runs much slower when i launch it from icon |
| 07:42.28 | Elleo | I'd have thought the only real difference would be that you've probably got your .desktop setup to launch it via invoker rather than directly |
| 07:42.44 | Elleo | but I wouldn't expect invoker to add much delay |
| 07:43.09 | Elleo | look at your .desktop file to see the exact command that's being executed to start it from the launcher icon |
| 07:43.50 | Elleo | I guess something funny might be happening if its setup to use an inappropriate booster |
| 07:44.19 | mankeli | invoker doesn't seem to make any difference. exec= only points to a shellscript that only has cd `dirname $0` and ./binary |
| 07:45.07 | mankeli | if i launch it in terminal via the script, performance is normal |
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| 07:46.04 | mankeli | and /usr/bin/invoker --type=e /home/user/app/script.sh results also in normal performance |
| 07:46.40 | Elleo | not sure what to suggest then, I don't encounter any real difference with my apps |
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| 07:50.30 | mankeli | Elleo: i also haven't noticed problems before this |
| 07:50.41 | mankeli | rather odd |
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| 09:59.58 | pa | http://wiki.peregrine-communicator.org/display/app/2011/09/16/Peregrine+Video-Call |
| 10:00.35 | pa | ALMOST THERE :) |
| 10:00.39 | pa | ops |
| 10:00.43 | pa | almost there :) |
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| 10:33.00 | Khertan_Work | pffff ... nokia ovi team publish partial update |
| 10:33.20 | Khertan_Work | they publish the update of description and screenshot but package is still in qa |
| 10:33.30 | phako | happily playing ping-pong with QA for a week now |
| 10:33.33 | Khertan_Work | so now description lie |
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| 10:34.03 | Khertan_Work | phako: the qa failed because they say some files are outside of /opt |
| 10:34.13 | Khertan_Work | yeah the .desktop is outside of course ! |
| 10:35.18 | phako | that worked for me. Did you name it differently than package_somesuffix.desktop ? |
| 10:35.29 | Khertan_Work | nope |
| 10:35.42 | Khertan_Work | yeah it s works first time |
| 10:35.55 | Khertan_Work | look like the first publication is quicker than updating |
| 10:36.25 | Khertan_Work | phako: of course there is an alert of problem on harmattan |
| 10:36.41 | spenap | Khertan_Work: they sent this message that things are going slow these days. However, if you're a qt ambassador |
| 10:36.49 | spenap | you can write and request the "full track" |
| 10:36.55 | Khertan_Work | but it s a shame that all that store require so much time to get things publish (same for ovi, apple, google ....) |
| 10:36.56 | spenap | and if you aren't, maybe you should apply? |
| 10:37.10 | Khertan_Work | me as an ambassador :) |
| 10:37.20 | Khertan_Work | hihi ... didn't like the direction that Qt take |
| 10:37.27 | Khertan_Work | specially that qml move |
| 10:37.47 | spenap | what do you mean? :-) They go forward, don't they? :P |
| 10:38.47 | Khertan_Work | spenap: qml isn't ready and more components ... so i didn't understand that they force the usage of it on some mobile device |
| 10:38.56 | Khertan_Work | s/more/less |
| 10:41.44 | spenap | well, "ready"... I see this as the typical tradeoff: qml is rather ready for most things, although there are others which won't work fine |
| 10:41.47 | rZr | I somehow agrea w/ Khertan_Work , I wish qml to be backward compatible with existing widgets before pushing pple to adopt it |
| 10:42.38 | Khertan_Work | rZr: backward compatible is maybe too much, but at least give the same features |
| 10:43.09 | Khertan_Work | rZr: you have see the difficulty to manage text in a TextArea, isn't it ? :) |
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| 14:04.38 | djszapi | hey, does anybody know what "Kaleem" can mean in Ovi store for an application in the review list ? |
| 14:05.01 | djszapi | apparently something negative since there is a two stars behind, but I would like to understand. :-) |
| 14:05.58 | Siva | djszapi: try opening the review in the pc browser and translate ;) |
| 14:06.24 | djszapi | Siva: tried, and if that had worked, I would not now ask... |
| 14:08.28 | djszapi | anyway, if nobody knows, I will just report him as abuse. |
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| 14:22.30 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: yikes, give it up |
| 14:22.44 | itsnotabigtruck | not finding much on kaleem though, seems to be a name |
| 14:24.00 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: too bad these people are allowed to do this nonsense |
| 14:26.59 | itsnotabigtruck | you're going to drive yourself crazy if you get angry every time someone posts a stupid review |
| 14:27.28 | djszapi | yes, apparently no intention from Nokia to properly moderate :( |
| 14:27.54 | djszapi | meaning that no matter what feedback an application got |
| 14:27.57 | djszapi | you can base nothing on that. |
| 14:28.10 | djszapi | so actually looking at the stars make no sense in the end. |
| 14:29.16 | itsnotabigtruck | if nokia "properly moderates", no one can trust the reviews |
| 14:29.27 | itsnotabigtruck | especially for paid apps where nokia has a direct interest in people buying them |
| 14:29.58 | djszapi | I think you are just about to argue |
| 14:30.06 | djszapi | insane reviews are insane, no matter what. |
| 14:30.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and if someone doesn't like your app and posts a review as such, that's their business |
| 14:30.27 | djszapi | that is exactly which makes no sense. |
| 14:30.37 | djszapi | makes no respect, fairness and so forth |
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| 14:30.45 | djszapi | this is exactly which drives to a total crap in the end. |
| 14:31.02 | itsnotabigtruck | give it up, you can't make people like your app |
| 14:31.09 | djszapi | huh ? |
| 14:31.09 | itsnotabigtruck | and you can't suppress people who don't like your app |
| 14:31.14 | itsnotabigtruck | *that* is insanity |
| 14:31.23 | djszapi | man, you do not direct the sanity against "liking my app". |
| 14:31.31 | djszapi | otherwise you just continue the same insane. |
| 14:31.40 | djszapi | it is precisely not about my app, but the environment in Ovi. |
| 14:32.38 | djszapi | like I said zillion times: "total crap review" without explanation *is* very disrespectful, unfair and insane. |
| 14:33.15 | djszapi | I have been making reviews for improving the application with further ideas, or expressing my thanks. Review is not for demotivating the authors. |
| 14:34.45 | Siva | djszapi: indeed. as itsnotabigtruck says all you could do is report abuse.And if you feel Nokia should have a dedicated team to read a review, try out the app and then moderate.. that's always gonna be a dream! that said, from my personal experience.. the no. of such stupid reviews is remarkably less.. about 1 in 100.. |
| 14:35.17 | itsnotabigtruck | well, mind you, i'm not defending the people writing crappy reviews |
| 14:35.38 | itsnotabigtruck | but the alternatives to letting people write crappy reviews, defeat the point of reviews |
| 14:35.53 | itsnotabigtruck | and you shouldn't "report abuse" because you don't like a review |
| 14:36.03 | djszapi | it is not my liking. |
| 14:36.15 | djszapi | what is the point of saying "total crap" without further explanation |
| 14:36.28 | djszapi | man you are defending the wrong side just for the sake of arguing. |
| 14:36.29 | itsnotabigtruck | your words not theirs |
| 14:36.50 | djszapi | Siva: 1 in 100 haha |
| 14:36.54 | djszapi | Siva see my application |
| 14:37.01 | djszapi | 2 completely insane review in few hours |
| 14:37.09 | djszapi | if not three. |
| 14:37.11 | itsnotabigtruck | out of 41 reviews, 4 are less than 4 stars |
| 14:37.19 | djszapi | and this is just my application, I see many around with such crappy reviews |
| 14:37.27 | itsnotabigtruck | you're not exactly in danger of a few idiots killing your average rating, if it means that much to you |
| 14:37.48 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: I do not understand why you ignore me. |
| 14:38.09 | djszapi | I am especially *NOT* worried about my application |
| 14:38.28 | djszapi | I am worried about the *unhealthy insane stuff* getting established in Ovi without proper moderation. |
| 14:38.41 | djszapi | Yes, Nokia should write a guideline for reviewers to make the place cozier. |
| 14:38.50 | djszapi | since the common sanity does not seem to be enough. |
| 14:39.07 | n9appscom | What app are you talking about? |
| 14:39.08 | itsnotabigtruck | stupid reviews seem to the one of the least of the ovi store's problems tbh |
| 14:39.17 | djszapi | n9appscom: non precisely. |
| 14:39.21 | djszapi | n9appscom: I am speaking in general |
| 14:39.23 | itsnotabigtruck | there really isn't a single positive element to it i can think of, besides that it's there, and it ships with the phone |
| 14:39.31 | djszapi | n9appscom: the last application I got upset at: khangman |
| 14:41.23 | itsnotabigtruck | it barely works, tries to force users to use carrier billing when possible, has QA that frustrates developers but does zilch to keep out bad apps, restricts aegis credentials, has a completely ridiculous limit on how many times you can download an app |
| 14:41.41 | itsnotabigtruck | and if you're in the us or canada and something goes wrong, and you use the contact button, they'll reply with "screw off, we aren't giving you any support" |
| 14:42.34 | itsnotabigtruck | not to mention that most of the apps on there are rather inferior quality, though that's kinda true with every app store ever |
| 14:42.46 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: been there in the aegis credentials battle with QA.. man.. that was long mail chain.. |
| 14:44.12 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: I guess you are referring to the RSS feed based apps just look like web pages? internal info is that they were allowed just to show a huge app count for N9 in the initial days.. |
| 14:45.18 | itsnotabigtruck | Siva: that's part of the problem, yeah |
| 14:45.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but besides those, most apps just simply aren't good |
| 14:45.38 | itsnotabigtruck | or have an undeserved price tag |
| 14:46.05 | djszapi | Siva: perhaps there was some misunderstanding in your case. |
| 14:46.09 | djszapi | from what I can tell. |
| 14:46.15 | djszapi | it worked out of the box for other cases though. |
| 14:47.28 | djszapi | or just a fresh employee on their side. They kept changing them. |
| 14:47.54 | Siva | djszapi: that might be it.. but for sure they didn't know what aegis was.. |
| 14:49.14 | Siva | point is, it was kinda like, 'they never knew what hit them' when people started uploading apps for N9.. |
| 14:49.15 | djszapi | yeah, I saw the thread if that is the one you are referring to. |
| 14:49.50 | Siva | djszapi: well, you backed me up then! |
| 14:50.43 | djszapi | luckily enough, it was long ago. :-) |
| 14:50.49 | djszapi | I would personally like to forget harmattan :-P |
| 14:51.13 | Siva | djszapi: good luck with that :) |
| 14:51.52 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: those mostly nonsensical apps are created using this: http://appwizard.nokia.com/web_nokia/ |
| 14:53.58 | itsnotabigtruck | right |
| 14:55.48 | Siva | btw anyone noticed the no. of reviews for apps is shown as actual number+6 for the past week or so? |
| 14:56.09 | Siva | in the N9 ovi store client ofc.. |
| 14:58.49 | itsnotabigtruck | that's odd, not seeing that over here |
| 14:59.03 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. demine shows up as having 2 reviews, not 8 |
| 15:00.31 | djszapi | Siva: are you still with Nokia bro.. |
| 15:00.47 | Siva | djszapi: hanging there... :P |
| 15:02.47 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: can you try with these.. TranslateAll and MyRoutes? |
| 15:03.00 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: its +6 and +4 resp. |
| 15:03.30 | djszapi | Siva: speaking of MyRoutes, it is buggy.. :-P |
| 15:03.34 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: in the pc browser and within the reviews page, the count seems to be right.. |
| 15:04.02 | Siva | djszapi: yep.. I know ;) update is in the works.. and if you would be so kind.. drop me an email.. |
| 15:04.33 | djszapi | cannot, I do not know my bank account number by heart... |
| 15:05.02 | Siva | djszapi: bro.. myroutes has been free from end of february :D |
| 15:05.18 | djszapi | feedback is not :-P |
| 15:05.30 | Siva | djszapi: no wonder u still see bugs! |
| 15:06.07 | Siva | djszapi: and here is one who wants all *nice* reviews for free :D |
| 15:06.51 | djszapi | Siva: well I gave you to both five stars with my comments IIRC... |
| 15:08.30 | Siva | djszapi: indeed.. all I am asking for is info on which bug you exactly found in the app.. so it helps others! |
| 15:09.53 | djszapi | told ya... :-) |
| 15:10.06 | djszapi | does not alarm for all the connections on my side. |
| 15:10.10 | djszapi | randomly does... |
| 15:10.28 | djszapi | so I could potentially miss the transport change. |
| 15:10.37 | djszapi | which is the whole point about the alarm, to not do that... :-) |
| 15:11.15 | Siva | well it alarms only while you leave the bus connections man.. metro, tram and train have their own announcements and displays.. may be i could include them as well.. |
| 15:11.16 | djszapi | also, I am getting "Slow internet connection" all the time for the first "Find route". |
| 15:11.20 | djszapi | no matter what |
| 15:11.28 | djszapi | the second always works. |
| 15:11.34 | Siva | version? |
| 15:11.40 | Siva | 3G? |
| 15:11.47 | djszapi | I have been travelling by bus... |
| 15:11.50 | djszapi | 3.5... |
| 15:11.59 | Siva | operator? |
| 15:12.14 | Siva | i mean app version.. |
| 15:12.38 | phako | what I find most annoying is comments in russian |
| 15:12.51 | phako | I can't fucking read what their problem is |
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| 15:13.22 | Siva | phako: as always I try to be patient and use google translate.. |
| 15:13.39 | phako | Siva: er yes, I just realized that I can see them online ... |
| 15:13.42 | djszapi | what Siva said |
| 15:13.48 | djszapi | russian comments are fine |
| 15:14.00 | djszapi | again, my problem is not the language |
| 15:14.28 | djszapi | Siva: there are other bugs I cannot recall, just know some cumbersome stuff rolling around... :-) |
| 15:14.42 | phako | meh |
| 15:15.02 | Siva | phako: Once i got an Indoesian review for TranslateAll and the guy also added in english sayin.. "If you don't understand my review.. use your app..", the misled guy didn't know Ovi store client missed text select :P |
| 15:15.11 | phako | Siva: exactly ;) |
| 15:15.28 | djszapi | ohh yeah, crashes |
| 15:15.30 | djszapi | for the first run |
| 15:15.41 | djszapi | when I launch the application, and I try to be quick with looking for stuff |
| 15:15.43 | phako | What's also annoying is those "can you help me" comments and you've no chance at all to do that |
| 15:15.43 | djszapi | to not miss stuff |
| 15:15.46 | djszapi | it crashes. |
| 15:15.54 | djszapi | I need to be patient at the first try. |
| 15:16.08 | djszapi | otherwise panning crashes epically... |
| 15:16.09 | Siva | djszapi: crash bug known and fixed! |
| 15:16.47 | djszapi | Siva: I got a review in a language not known to google translator... |
| 15:17.12 | djszapi | my friend (student) helped with translating from India... |
| 15:17.57 | Siva | djszapi: yep. sometimes its a lost cause.. |
| 15:18.42 | Siva | djszapi: for example I had one of those.. let me check.. |
| 15:19.41 | djszapi | Siva: at least not this style like my friend: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2011-October/005582.html :-) |
| 15:19.50 | radiofree | they should enforce a rule that all reviews must be in esperanto |
| 15:19.56 | djszapi | that mail is a BROTFLZ :-) |
| 15:20.20 | Siva | djszapi: yeah.. this one.. "GTALK_Nakonets proqram gtalk zaqruzilsa,rebyata vo pervix formatirovat nado telefon,patom vso otlicna budet...suda piwil potomuwta gtalk u menya net otziv" Google translate says its Czech but doesn't translate properly. |
| 15:20.37 | Siva | djszapi: I just assumed he wanted translation even in the chat app.. |
| 15:21.30 | djszapi | Siva: just read that email. That always cheers me up. :-) |
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| 15:22.40 | Siva | Siva: cool.. was that in reply to anything particular.. or just a general troll reply? |
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| 15:25.05 | djszapi | Siva: you are talking to yourself ? :D haha. |
| 15:25.20 | djszapi | well, there was a guy trolling, and my friend got upset. |
| 15:25.28 | djszapi | and said things wholeheartedly. |
| 15:25.52 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh, whining like a bunch of little kids [in that email thread] |
| 15:26.25 | Siva | djszapi: drat... did I do that again! |
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| 15:27.58 | djszapi | Siva should meet up at the weekend bro.. last weekend in Finland for now ? :-) |
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| 15:29.13 | Siva | djszapi: na.. i m here for May as well.. anyway will give you a call sometime.. |
| 15:30.48 | djszapi | cool. Need to leave. Happy harmattan to you all. |
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