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| 00:27.53 | AranelMobi | open-mode users: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1187597&postcount=294 are those issues mentioned by javispedro fixed yet or not? |
| 00:38.07 | itsnotabigtruck | AranelMobi: well, that post is a month old and nothing major has changed since then |
| 00:38.11 | itsnotabigtruck | so if he's right about those issues then no |
| 00:40.12 | beford | hi itsnotabigtruck |
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| 01:46.35 | AranelMobi | itsnotabigtruck: oh okay :/ thought that there may be new versions of open-mode kernel which resolve those issues |
| 01:47.13 | itsnotabigtruck | hey beford |
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| 10:05.53 | Jeffrey04 | just a quick question, where does all the apps listed by meecatalog come from? |
| 10:06.10 | RST38h | from repositories? |
| 10:06.44 | Jeffrey04 | from /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:09.44 | Jeffrey04 | ? |
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| 10:28.37 | trx | is there any information on what will PR1.3 contain? |
| 10:28.54 | trx | to be more specific, will there be Qt update? |
| 10:29.34 | jonni | trx: define what you mean by update? |
| 10:30.10 | trx | newer version of qt |
| 10:30.11 | Jeffrey04 | isn't Qt5 still in beta? |
| 10:30.35 | trx | i think it is |
| 10:30.49 | trx | but there is 4.8 that we dont have |
| 10:31.30 | jonni | you cannot get newer one, since there is requirement that eveything must work with pr1.0, so it will always be 4.7.4, but it can have a newer version of 4.7.4 |
| 10:33.05 | trx | well that sucks |
| 10:33.44 | jonni | that is product life cycle, one cannot break binary compatibility. |
| 10:33.45 | trx | that means that qml bugs that i have will remain |
| 10:34.07 | jonni | no it doesnt mean that, newer 4.7.4 can have fixed older 4.7.4 bugs |
| 10:34.49 | Jeffrey04 | so there are different builds of 4.7.4? |
| 10:35.02 | Jeffrey04 | shouldn't release with bug fixes get a new point release? |
| 10:35.24 | Jeffrey04 | i mean a new version number? |
| 10:36.00 | jonni | nope, bugfixes doesnt cause version increase, only new features does. |
| 10:36.04 | trx | jonni, so back to my original question then, is pr1.3 likely to have updated 4.7.4? |
| 10:36.08 | Jeffrey04 | lol |
| 10:36.09 | Jeffrey04 | ok |
| 10:37.07 | jonni | trx: atleast if we look history from pr1.0 and pr1.1 and pr1.2 they all had a newer version of 4.7.4, so it pattern continues then answer is yes. |
| 10:37.21 | jonni | it=if |
| 10:37.32 | trx | that brings hope :) |
| 10:37.34 | trx | thanks |
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| 11:39.56 | Khertan | trx, at least there is some bug fixes for qml qt components |
| 11:40.25 | trx | Khertan is there a list somewhere? |
| 11:42.06 | Khertan | trx, https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/commits/1.3-meego |
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| 11:42.35 | trx | Khertan thanks |
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| 12:26.13 | tom___ | I just noticed that in the calendar, if I write a note for an appointment, the text is not wrapped when it is subsequently displayed - it just disappears offscreen. Has anyone else found this? If it is not a known issue, where should I report the bug? |
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| 13:17.31 | spenap | sigh, the N950's camera no longer works |
| 13:18.21 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | eew |
| 13:19.09 | spenap | (and yes, I reflashed it just in case, and it didn't help) |
| 13:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky, it's just a contact problem and will autofix by replugging the camera module into holder |
| 13:20.31 | spenap | DocScrutinizer: you mean, simply dissassembling it and checking the contact? |
| 13:20.43 | spenap | it could be, yeah, (just 4 screws) |
| 13:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | I never disassembled N950 but I'd guess the camera is at least similar to N900 |
| 13:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | see L1_2 manual for removing camera module on N900 |
| 13:21.28 | spenap | DocScrutinizer: I'll try that, thanks :-) |
| 13:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | it includes inserting thin blades at 2 sides to unlock latches AIUI |
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| 13:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | spenap: be damn careful at disassembling N950, it's definitely more involved than "just 4 screws" |
| 13:24.26 | spenap | DocScrutinizer: sure, don't worry. Better a non-working camera than a non-working phone |
| 13:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | esp take good care about any cables etc |
| 13:24.38 | spenap | you can trust me, I won't risk the whole thing :-) |
| 13:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | the "just 4 screws" thing applies for battery cover only |
| 13:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | then it just *starts* to get interesting |
| 13:26.54 | spenap | DocScrutinizer: if after removing the battery cover I don't see anything clearly wrong, I seriously doubt I'll continue into the interesting part |
| 13:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, you're a lucky guy! |
| 13:27.11 | spenap | I won't start hardware hacking now :-) |
| 13:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | the camera is completely exposed after simply removing battery cover :-D |
| 13:27.39 | spenap | heh, cool |
| 13:27.44 | spenap | let me check |
| 13:28.10 | SpeedEvil | does his best Picard. |
| 13:28.16 | SpeedEvil | 'There are four screws!' |
| 13:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for me that'S "there've been 4 screws, once" |
| 13:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | I faithfully followed achipa's unboxing instructions ;-D |
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| 13:31.55 | spenap | let's see if I can find one of those "torx TX4" mentioned in the forums |
| 13:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need that |
| 13:33.09 | spenap | yes, none of the screw driver heads I have at home are fine |
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| 14:28.40 | itsnotabigtruck | damn, i hate flimsy websites |
| 14:28.46 | itsnotabigtruck | like the economist's account management site |
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| 14:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | itsnotabigtruck, that's why you should probably cancel your subscription. |
| 14:40.31 | itsnotabigtruck | GeneralAntilles: well, i didn't end up having much trouble switching it over, the site isn't *that* bad |
| 14:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Still, the periodical is pretty terrible. :P |
| 14:41.24 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, i find it a decent read...obviously they have a pretty clear position on things that isn't always agreeable |
| 14:41.50 | itsnotabigtruck | but every journalistic outfit has a position on things, it just isn't always very obvious |
| 14:43.27 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: enabling developer mode on a new N9 is failing over and over |
| 14:43.35 | jpwhiting | it's already updated to PR 1.2 |
| 14:43.49 | jpwhiting | keeps getting Installation interrupted with try again, and cancel buttons |
| 14:43.53 | jpwhiting | is that a known issue? |
| 14:44.17 | jpwhiting | the update to PR 1.2 kept failing until I set the date, but that's fixed now |
| 14:44.43 | itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: well that's weird, are you sure you have a solid internet connection |
| 14:44.50 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's a new N9, you might as well try flashing it |
| 14:44.53 | jonni | most usuall reason for failing is the dete or wrong year |
| 14:45.15 | jpwhiting | pretty sure my internet is solid, /me can't check the dmesg log without terminal on it though |
| 14:45.17 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, due to the SSL certificate expiration |
| 14:45.19 | jonni | like one of my collegue set it may 2011, and wondered why its failing |
| 14:45.35 | jpwhiting | the other N9 kept reconnecting to the wifi, maybe this one is too |
| 14:45.35 | jonni | as the cert starts oct 2011 |
| 14:46.09 | jpwhiting | feed screen shows Friday May 4, 2012 |
| 14:46.26 | itsnotabigtruck | Validity |
| 14:46.29 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.31 | itsnotabigtruck | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.51 | jonni | ah, then the second most likely reason is that there has been some custom repoes in pr1.1 and ota update |
| 14:47.13 | itsnotabigtruck | the real problem is that the package manager gui gives you about zero visibility into what's going wrong |
| 14:47.17 | itsnotabigtruck | "installation interrupted" |
| 14:47.24 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the catch-all error that means "something went wrong" |
| 14:47.37 | jpwhiting | jonni: custom repos? I just opened this from the box, did the PR 1.2 update, did other updates of apps after that, and now trying to enable dev mode |
| 14:47.40 | itsnotabigtruck | if you had the terminal you could do: pkgmgr install -p developer-mode |
| 14:47.45 | itsnotabigtruck | and you'd probably get a detailed error message |
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| 14:48.00 | itsnotabigtruck | but...you don't have the terminal :p |
| 14:48.07 | jonni | well you can install terminal without devel mode |
| 14:48.10 | jpwhiting | can I install terminal from the store or anything? |
| 14:48.21 | jonni | ie you can fetch btinput-terminal from ovi store |
| 14:48.28 | jonni | if ovi store install works for you |
| 14:48.34 | jpwhiting | tries |
| 14:49.37 | jpwhiting | downloading, installing, sweet |
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| 14:49.54 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: pkgmgr install -p developer-mode can be run as user? |
| 14:49.58 | jpwhiting | or needs devel-su also? |
| 14:50.06 | jonni | can use runned as user |
| 14:50.35 | jonni | typo day |
| 14:51.11 | jpwhiting | pkgmgr install -p developer-mode just gives Error: Rescode: 3 |
| 14:51.23 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: does it require credentials |
| 14:51.37 | itsnotabigtruck | like the package-manager::i-limited stuff |
| 14:52.01 | jpwhiting | dmesg | less also doesn't seem to work as user either |
| 14:52.45 | jonni | when kernel version with uname -a |
| 14:52.50 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: I'd rather not redownload the flash images and such if I can help it |
| 14:52.52 | jonni | s/when/check/ |
| 14:52.55 | jpwhiting | but will if needed obviously |
| 14:53.57 | jpwhiting | jonni: says Linux RM696 2.6.32.48-df161-20115101 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 22 14:43:29 EET 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux |
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| 14:56.14 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the pr1.2 kernel so that can't be it |
| 14:56.45 | jonni | well then Im out of idea, other than reboot, and retry if reboot happens to free some locks |
| 14:56.59 | itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: just flash it :p |
| 14:57.09 | jpwhiting | try with pkgmgr or with settings/security? |
| 14:57.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd hope you have an inet connection fast enough to download 2 gigs or so anyway |
| 14:57.39 | jpwhiting | yeah, can, just need to get the windows box out of the closet again... |
| 14:57.47 | jpwhiting | or start the vm I guess |
| 15:01.02 | itsnotabigtruck | don't need windows anyway |
| 15:01.45 | jpwhiting | I thought I did to get the image to flash, no? |
| 15:01.48 | jpwhiting | is there a new way? |
| 15:02.29 | itsnotabigtruck | your best bet is WINE and navifirmex |
| 15:03.04 | itsnotabigtruck | there's also admiral0's perl script and the nokia firmwares website but neither let you get emmc images |
| 15:03.32 | jpwhiting | I shouldn't need mmc images, should I? |
| 15:03.58 | itsnotabigtruck | not strictly but you might was well do the wrong thing |
| 15:04.06 | jpwhiting | what's the nokia firmwares website? that wasn't around before that I recall |
| 15:04.06 | itsnotabigtruck | *was->as |
| 15:04.16 | itsnotabigtruck | it's linked from the flashing guide |
| 15:04.19 | itsnotabigtruck | so is navifirmex |
| 15:04.27 | jpwhiting | ok, cool, thx |
| 15:05.06 | jpwhiting | your flashing guide isn't in the topic? |
| 15:05.15 | itsnotabigtruck | oh wait, you're on a MAC aren't you |
| 15:05.24 | itsnotabigtruck | *on osx |
| 15:05.26 | jpwhiting | I have a mac and linux both |
| 15:05.46 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure why i just said "on a MAC", that's a pet peeve of mine when other people do it, lol |
| 15:05.47 | jpwhiting | separate machines |
| 15:05.53 | jpwhiting | hehe |
| 15:06.20 | Siva | hey all.. does anyone have an idea about this qml issue? http://pastebin.com/a4wziRbU |
| 15:06.31 | itsnotabigtruck | oh god qml |
| 15:06.34 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: my MAC is 88:ae:1d:01:df:ae |
| 15:06.42 | jpwhiting | :p |
| 15:06.50 | itsnotabigtruck | why can't people ask cool questions like "how do i hack the gibson with inception?" |
| 15:07.57 | jpwhiting | Siva: that is odd indeed |
| 15:07.59 | junglizer | "none of this accidental shit Joey. You need a really rightous hack" |
| 15:08.01 | jpwhiting | no clue here |
| 15:08.19 | Siva | itsnotabigtruck: will do in due time ;) |
| 15:11.06 | itsnotabigtruck | also "might was well do the wrong thing" o.O wrong -> whole |
| 15:11.12 | itsnotabigtruck | clearly my brain isn't powered on right now :p |
| 15:11.59 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: why did you ask if I'm on a mac? |
| 15:12.06 | jpwhiting | is there some other way to flash on there? |
| 15:12.12 | jpwhiting | or get the flash images rather |
| 15:13.10 | itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: well, i was suggesting you use WINE and NavifirmEx |
| 15:13.25 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if WINE works on osx and if it does it's probably not so easy to install |
| 15:13.34 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas if you're on, say, ubuntu, it's a matter of one apt-get |
| 15:13.45 | tomma | Siva, works fine... maybe you have two CustomComp objects? |
| 15:14.55 | tomma | output: http://pastebin.com/CpfPPcvw |
| 15:15.34 | Siva | tomma: Just found that out! one more CustomComp was hiding in the bowels on the rootWindow ;) |
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| 17:19.38 | trx | who handles requests in cOBS? |
| 17:19.46 | trx | a bot or a person? |
| 17:20.35 | trx | "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" to be precise |
| 17:26.52 | itsnotabigtruck | trx: a bot |
| 17:29.53 | trx | itsnotabigtruck when i place a new version of my package, does the bot know that or do i need to "request delete" from "MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing" and then submit again? |
| 17:30.32 | trx | i did that |
| 17:30.46 | trx | but the bot seems to be on vacation or something :) |
| 17:32.02 | elldekaa | :) |
| 17:45.10 | trx | X-Fade do you know anything about that? |
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| 18:52.36 | itsnotabigtruck | btw has anyone else had a problem where the screen goes black after you take the phone away from your face |
| 18:52.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like just now, it went |
| 18:52.59 | itsnotabigtruck | a) i'm talking to somebody |
| 18:53.05 | itsnotabigtruck | b) end of conversation, remove the phone to hang up |
| 18:53.15 | itsnotabigtruck | c) screen comes back on (due to the prox sensor), but then immediately turns black again |
| 18:53.25 | itsnotabigtruck | d) i have to wait a few seconds to be able to hang up |
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| 22:18.41 | MohammadAG | Happens on the lumia, not the N950 |
| 22:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd bet it's related to inactivity dim timer not getting retriggered at end of / or even stopped during, a phonecall |
| 22:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | a phonecall should be considered as permanent user interaction |
| 22:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | a permamnent UI event |
| 22:23.46 | beford | you have a lumia too? how dare you |
| 22:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | rather you see: X "suspended" by (prox*phonecall), during phonecall the inactivity dim timer expires and sends lock command to X, now when you remove phone from ear, X resumes and executes lock comd |
| 22:26.00 | MohammadAG | beford: Every person with an N950 has one |
| 22:26.13 | beford | =C |
| 22:26.25 | MohammadAG | And I dare to say its not bad as a phone |
| 22:27.08 | beford | well they give you the n950 and punish you with the lumia to balance the universe (?) |
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| 22:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | cruel world |
| 22:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | first they punished me with N950, and then they put a hooker on top just for the pun |
| 22:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, itsnotabigtruck, I've seen similar things on N900 even (definitely not on N950 since I still have no SIM to even test phonecalls on it) |
| 22:32.30 | MohammadAG | Sure I've seen it on the iPhone as well |
| 22:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | seems a general design flaw |
| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | an ongoing call not considered as user (inter)activity |
| 22:33.32 | MohammadAG | I suggest a fix, make the earpiece on the back :p |
| 22:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | a brilliant idea I've seen on way too few designs yet |
| 22:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | though there are *some* |
| 22:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | and those don't need 3 minutes cleaning after each call |
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