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01:19.25 | Sput | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/05/10/tizen-first-impressions/ |
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02:04.37 | CreamyG31337 | anyone know why the debug output from qml would stop working suddenly? now it just says it started/stopped the process. the daemon part shows all the debug statements though... |
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02:15.18 | npm | Sput: my first impression is that my palm and my face have melted together... |
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02:16.22 | npm | CreamyG31337: because you updated SDK and forgot to hit "build all" in Tools |
02:30.17 | CreamyG31337 | well i didn't update but i did some cleans and deleted the makefiles manually because they were not rebuilding correct |
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02:37.30 | CreamyG31337 | anyways i'm not sure what you mean, there's a build-all in the build menu that doesn't seem to help... |
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02:49.55 | Arie | GAN950: a shot in the dark here, but do you own an N950? |
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03:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | Arie, GAN950 == GeneralAntillesN950 |
03:00.56 | GeneralAntilles | Much like GAN900 and GAN800 before him. |
03:05.43 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: then I should be ArieN950 :p |
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04:36.39 | bef0rd | qt creator 2.5 released |
04:37.58 | Arie | bef0rd: yeah, now if Harmattan can be rereleased, we'd be set |
04:43.46 | bef0rd | it's a start |
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04:51.14 | Arie | bef0rd: qt with no harmattan is like peanut butter without jelly |
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08:03.34 | GentooXativa | morning |
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08:19.33 | CreamyG31337 | npm, it was actually not working because i had a HapticsEffect { } in my qml, and nokia doesn't fix anything we report them |
08:24.45 | Siva | CreamyG31337: its more specifically because of "import QtMobility.feedback 1.1" I think. I have seen the same problem. |
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08:29.39 | spenap_ | has anyone managed to pass plugin arguments (such as the key ids) to the Map Component in QML? |
08:32.34 | Siva | spenap: No luck yet on that. But the Map seems to work all the same even without the key id plugin parameter.. |
08:32.48 | jonni | CreamyG31337: Im using HapticsEffect in my QML app, and it works just fine, what kind of problems do you have? |
08:34.48 | Siva | jonni: console.log doesn't work in the qml file where QtMobility Feedback is imported.. |
08:35.23 | jonni | Siva: ah that one, you can re-enable console.log quite easily though |
08:36.09 | Siva | jonni: how so? and any particular reason for the current behavior? |
08:36.54 | jonni | Siva: http://pastebin.com/T5G5XSEk |
08:40.55 | jonni | its a known 'feature' or some might even say bug :) |
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08:42.52 | Siva | jonni: so importing QtMobility Feedback overrides the default msgHandler? |
08:43.26 | Siva | and really not sure how this 'feature' is useful :P |
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09:50.40 | GentooXativa | morning :D |
09:52.28 | rzr | hi there |
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10:18.49 | ZogG_laptop | frals: that's it? no twitter and facebook updates? =))) |
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11:20.17 | Tronic | Has anyone tried to find out why Nokia Maps uses so much battery (even when on background)? |
11:21.00 | Tronic | I often find myself entering powersave mode around noon if I have forgotten to close Maps. |
11:21.39 | Arie | Tronic: constant gps lock is very battery intensive. |
11:22.13 | Tronic | I don't think it even keeps constant GPS lock. When I unlock the screen, it still displays my old location with the yellow dot instead of green. |
11:22.56 | Tronic | Also, GPS lock should not consume a lot of power because those BT GPS dongles can keep running for up to 10 hours with a single charge and a much smaller battery. |
11:23.32 | Arie | Tronic: oddly the battery management on my N950 is so much better than my N9's, going on day 2 without charging and at 58%, idle power consumption 4mA |
11:23.46 | Tronic | (perhaps Nokia GPS implementation does more calculations in software and thus consumes more power? |
11:24.01 | Arie | Tronic: that's probably it |
11:25.38 | Tronic | I manage to get 2-3 of use without charging on light use (but comms enabled) on N9, as long as I stay away from the few battery hog tasks (3G data transfers, Maps, 3d games). |
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11:26.23 | Tronic | *2-3 days |
11:26.49 | Tronic | This is significantly better than N950 which won't last two full days. |
11:28.04 | Arie | Tronic: My n9 never lasted that long |
11:28.23 | Arie | Tronic: do you have an N950 too? |
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11:29.49 | denism | My N9 consumes less than 50% of battery in 7 days. But I had to remove SIM card and switch off any other service. |
11:30.16 | Jeffrey04 | erm, i switched the restricted mode to on using python's gconf.client_get_default().set_bool function |
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11:30.22 | Jeffrey04 | and i still get twitter updates :/ |
11:30.28 | Jeffrey04 | should i file a bug? |
11:31.01 | Jeffrey04 | or i shouldn't set the /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/restricted_mode using gconf? |
11:31.10 | denism | Jeffrey04: is there a place where bug can be filed? |
11:31.17 | Jeffrey04 | no :/ |
11:31.26 | Jeffrey04 | i mean post in the official developer forum |
11:31.33 | denism | ah, ok :) |
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11:32.15 | Jeffrey04 | and the IM wouldn't really respect the restricted_mode setting too :/ |
11:32.24 | Jeffrey04 | so it would stay on even when the setting is set to true |
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11:33.38 | Jeffrey04 | the code that does the setting is here https://bitbucket.org/jeffrey04/restricted-mode-toggler/src/e89205012fa0/ModeUpdater_class.py line 13 |
11:34.28 | Jeffrey04 | the code actually works, because after execution, i did a check in Settings->Internet Connection |
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11:36.11 | Arie | denism: what is battery life like with cell service? |
11:37.02 | denism | Arie: it does not matter :) I am using it a lot, so I have to put it to charger every night |
11:37.12 | Arie | ok |
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11:50.37 | MrModR | can anybody with scratchbox help package a bunch of scripts for me? |
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12:09.23 | Tronic | Arkenoi: I have both N950 and N9, yes. |
12:09.35 | Tronic | *Arie (who left already) |
12:14.28 | RzR | Tronic, and which one do you daily use ? |
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12:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | 5800 ;-P |
12:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: arie: I think the Nokia liblocation is using/doing more than just GPS. That's probably why it's eating battery |
12:58.37 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. it's also using WLAN (depending on type of lock you requested) which is known to consume quite a bit of energy for constant scanning |
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12:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | and it's actually obscure/unclear what liblocation does with modem to find location based on visible GSM stations and other on-the-air properties |
13:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Location_methods might help |
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13:09.33 | tgalal | so here is something |
13:10.10 | tgalal | get me a ticket for this http://lpunderground.groundctrl.net/events/102573?theme=inline and I shall send you a wazapp package immediately hehe |
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13:55.35 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, hi |
13:55.43 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, i see you pushed lftp |
13:55.57 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, did dj had a look at it ? |
13:56.03 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: don't think so |
13:56.11 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem was that the old one depends on gnutls and it's broken |
13:56.23 | itsnotabigtruck | so i tweaked it so it builds against openssl (0.9.8) instead |
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13:56.28 | rzr | nice |
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14:12.21 | itsnotabigtruck | bbl |
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14:42.33 | tgalal | Arie: gotcha! |
14:44.25 | Arie | tgalal: finally |
14:44.50 | Arie | do you want to message me a faster way to reach you? |
14:45.47 | Arie | tgalal: for your ticket talk to itsnotabigtruck |
14:47.02 | tgalal | Arie: email is good, and you can catch me on google talk same email as well (personal one), but don't spread it |
14:47.24 | tgalal | can itsnotabigtruck get me a ticket? |
14:47.36 | Arie | add me on google talk everythingn9@gmail.com |
14:48.15 | Arie | tgalal: if he doesn't know, he can point you in the right direction |
14:49.01 | tgalal | itsnotabigtruck: do you know? |
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15:09.51 | GentooXativa | bye people, cu on few days |
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16:25.55 | djszapi | hey, heh: "Ok game good to pass the time." and three stars. People are hard to understand. :-) |
16:26.08 | djszapi | for an ovi review, that is. |
16:27.05 | spenap | I had once a "very good app!" and then 3 stars as well :), so you can see |
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16:29.35 | djszapi | spenap: perhaps better not to have review option in Ovi, if this crap happens xD |
16:29.57 | djszapi | I gave up checking the review rates to be honest while trying out new applications. |
16:30.35 | rzr | good i feared you will hang yourself :) |
16:30.45 | CreamyG31337 | i have one that says 'i wish it had this feature' 4/5, but i had that feature already :( |
16:30.48 | CreamyG31337 | drives me nuts cuz there's no way to respond |
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16:32.32 | djszapi | CreamyG31337: I felt the same few months ago |
16:32.36 | djszapi | I had the same situation. |
16:32.54 | djszapi | I cannot even say, the feature is not intuitive to recognize. I have a settings page, and he requested a setting |
16:32.59 | djszapi | and it is at the top of the settings page. |
16:33.12 | djszapi | and I was totally incapable to reply. :-) |
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16:40.53 | beford | ovi should allow developer's response |
16:40.58 | beford | is not that hard to implement.. |
16:41.50 | spenap | in the end, I don't care that much. You could reply if the number of comments was low |
16:42.10 | spenap | but in the end, it's simply impossible, so it's better to ignore them |
16:42.14 | djszapi | I definitely disagree |
16:42.25 | djszapi | why rating system, if the rating is not moderated ? |
16:42.45 | spenap | djszapi: of course, the system doesn't work atm, |
16:42.47 | spenap | but when commenting |
16:43.06 | spenap | you could have several choices, like "rating / bug / feature" |
16:43.19 | spenap | so you could filter & reply the important ones |
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16:45.20 | spenap | btw, I'm still looking for translators at https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/butaca/. Any help is definitely appreciated :-) |
16:46.01 | djszapi | spenap: I do not care about advanced features until the fundamentals are working reliably. |
16:46.11 | djszapi | there is a rating system -> fix it. |
16:46.35 | djszapi | rating is not a bad idea per se. |
16:46.51 | spenap | of course not, I always look at the ratings before downloading sth |
16:47.11 | djszapi | I do not anymore :-) |
16:47.14 | spenap | :P |
16:47.35 | djszapi | I have seen an app with full "good" feedback, not constructive critic |
16:47.42 | djszapi | and something like three stars average, but not mine. |
16:51.32 | radiofree | I suppose on a scale of 1-5, 3 is "good" |
16:52.53 | djszapi | that is not the point. ;) |
16:53.02 | djszapi | if you do not give five stars, please let me know why! |
16:53.06 | djszapi | so I can improve that. |
16:53.40 | djszapi | at any rate, three stars do not really look cool for an application as an average review to be quite honest. |
16:54.07 | djszapi | it is the who cares category :) |
16:54.11 | djszapi | aka. middle. |
16:54.41 | spenap | djszapi: in your next update, you could show a message asking users to review. That way, you can get users who haven't writing positively about the app |
16:54.58 | radiofree | that would be pretty annoying... |
16:55.14 | djszapi | agree with radiofree about that :-P |
16:56.04 | spenap | radiofree, djszapi, it should depend on how intrusive it is |
16:56.17 | spenap | if it's just a small message in the bottom, and you can dismiss it forever |
16:56.23 | spenap | I don't think it's so annoying |
16:56.48 | djszapi | but then they do not recognize it... |
16:56.55 | spenap | still, personally I find it different if I paid for the app or if it was free |
16:56.58 | djszapi | anyway, it is not about my application's fame.... |
16:57.01 | djszapi | do not get me wrong... |
16:57.14 | djszapi | it is about the liability of an otherwise cool idea: rating. |
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16:57.54 | djszapi | to be quite honest, I went for four and five stars applications in the past, if there were alternatives, but I do not follow that pattern anymore; simply because makes no sense with this system. |
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17:57.08 | gabriel9 | hi |
17:57.21 | gabriel9 | what's up? |
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18:52.41 | lpapp|toughbook | hey, anybody Finnish here could contact me in private for a language help ? Thanks! |
18:53.45 | lpapp|toughbook | damn device manager I am looking for on Windows7 :D |
18:55.54 | phako | devmgmt.msc |
18:57.18 | lpapp|toughbook | phako: that is not my point really :) |
18:57.25 | lpapp|toughbook | I was able to find according to the icon, already |
18:57.29 | lpapp|toughbook | but tons of stuff I would need to check out |
18:57.50 | lpapp|toughbook | full of Finnish, and damn Windows 7 without the ultimate thingie cannot even change the system language |
18:58.41 | phako | ah well |
18:58.49 | phako | my finnish is rather rudimentary |
19:00.43 | lpapp|toughbook | Finnish is a weird language anyway xD |
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19:03.11 | phako | aren't you hungarian? |
19:05.03 | lpapp|toughbook | IE is still a HUGE crap |
19:06.04 | lpapp|toughbook | Image type not allowed. -> on imagebin.org for png ? wth ? :D |
19:07.00 | lpapp|toughbook | I think it was not normal who thought "Finnish" is a cool language for international development purposes. :) |
19:09.13 | lpapp|toughbook | min.us does not work either with IE crap |
19:09.20 | lpapp|toughbook | is there any other image uploading site ? |
19:09.30 | lpapp|toughbook | which might work reliably ? |
19:10.16 | phako | picpaste.com |
19:10.36 | phako | http://666kb.com/ |
19:10.42 | phako | the latter might be german |
19:10.46 | lpapp|toughbook | does not work |
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20:08.49 | djszapi | phako: that german image paste site went haywire. Is there a way to regain the urls from the lately attached images ? |
20:09.08 | djszapi | phako: http://666kb.com/u.php -> I am unsure if I pasted this url wrongly to a bugreport. |
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21:02.29 | djszapi | what is the policy for Apps4MeeGo -> Can we have paid applications in there ? |
21:02.32 | djszapi | X-Fade lbt ^ |
21:02.37 | djszapi | lbt_away: ^ |
21:20.57 | djszapi | merlin1991: python'ish issue again :-) |
21:21.24 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/474506/ |
21:22.39 | merlin1991 | djszapi: not exactly a python issue ;) |
21:22.54 | merlin1991 | also the error is pretty obvious there |
21:23.06 | merlin1991 | missing include file / include path |
21:23.49 | djszapi | from a system-wide python stuff... |
21:25.55 | djszapi | actually the problem is that this project I downloaded, depends on python 2.6 and I have python 3. Just the cumbersome generic issue... |
21:27.00 | djszapi | well, it would work with installed 2.7 as well, but the raw Makefile is hard coded to 2.6, meh. |
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