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01:19.25Sputhttp://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2012/05/10/tizen-first-impressions/
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02:04.37CreamyG31337anyone know why the debug output from qml would stop working suddenly? now it just says it started/stopped the process. the daemon part shows all the debug statements though...
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02:15.18npmSput: my first impression is that my palm and my face have melted together...
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02:16.22npmCreamyG31337: because you updated SDK and forgot to hit "build all" in Tools
02:30.17CreamyG31337well i didn't update but i did some cleans and deleted the makefiles manually because they were not rebuilding correct
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02:37.30CreamyG31337anyways i'm not sure what you mean, there's a build-all in the build menu that doesn't seem to help...
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02:49.55ArieGAN950: a shot in the dark here, but do you own an N950?
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03:00.41GeneralAntillesArie, GAN950 == GeneralAntillesN950
03:00.56GeneralAntillesMuch like GAN900 and GAN800 before him.
03:05.43ArieGeneralAntilles: then I should be ArieN950 :p
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04:36.39bef0rdqt creator 2.5 released
04:37.58Ariebef0rd: yeah, now if Harmattan can be rereleased, we'd be set
04:43.46bef0rdit's a start
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04:51.14Ariebef0rd: qt with no harmattan is like peanut butter without jelly
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08:19.33CreamyG31337npm, it was actually not working because i had a HapticsEffect { } in my qml, and nokia doesn't fix anything we report them
08:24.45SivaCreamyG31337: its more specifically because of "import QtMobility.feedback 1.1" I think. I have seen the same problem.
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08:29.39spenap_has anyone managed to pass plugin arguments (such as the key ids) to the Map Component in QML?
08:32.34Sivaspenap: No luck yet on that. But the Map seems to work all the same even without the key id plugin parameter..
08:32.48jonniCreamyG31337: Im using HapticsEffect in my QML app, and it works just fine, what kind of problems do you have?
08:34.48Sivajonni: console.log doesn't work in the qml file where QtMobility Feedback is imported..
08:35.23jonniSiva: ah that one, you can re-enable console.log quite easily though
08:36.09Sivajonni: how so? and any particular reason for the current behavior?
08:36.54jonniSiva: http://pastebin.com/T5G5XSEk
08:40.55jonniits a known 'feature' or some might even say bug :)
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08:42.52Sivajonni: so importing QtMobility Feedback overrides the default msgHandler?
08:43.26Sivaand really not sure how this 'feature' is useful :P
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09:50.40GentooXativamorning :D
09:52.28rzrhi there
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10:18.49ZogG_laptopfrals: that's it? no twitter and facebook updates? =)))
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11:20.17TronicHas anyone tried to find out why Nokia Maps uses so much battery (even when on background)?
11:21.00TronicI often find myself entering powersave mode around noon if I have forgotten to close Maps.
11:21.39ArieTronic: constant gps lock is very battery intensive.
11:22.13TronicI don't think it even keeps constant GPS lock. When I unlock the screen, it still displays my old location with the yellow dot instead of green.
11:22.56TronicAlso, GPS lock should not consume a lot of power because those BT GPS dongles can keep running for up to 10 hours with a single charge and a much smaller battery.
11:23.32ArieTronic: oddly the battery management on my N950 is so much better than my N9's, going on day 2 without charging and at 58%, idle power consumption 4mA
11:23.46Tronic(perhaps Nokia GPS implementation does more calculations in software and thus consumes more power?
11:24.01ArieTronic: that's probably it
11:25.38TronicI manage to get 2-3 of use without charging on light use (but comms enabled) on N9, as long as I stay away from the few battery hog tasks (3G data transfers, Maps, 3d games).
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11:26.23Tronic*2-3 days
11:26.49TronicThis is significantly better than N950 which won't last two full days.
11:28.04ArieTronic: My n9 never lasted that long
11:28.23ArieTronic: do you have an N950 too?
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11:29.49denismMy N9 consumes less than 50% of battery in 7 days. But I had to remove SIM card and switch off any other service.
11:30.16Jeffrey04erm, i switched the restricted mode to on using python's gconf.client_get_default().set_bool function
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11:30.22Jeffrey04and i still get twitter updates :/
11:30.28Jeffrey04should i file a bug?
11:31.01Jeffrey04or i shouldn't set the /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/restricted_mode using gconf?
11:31.10denismJeffrey04: is there a place where bug can be filed?
11:31.17Jeffrey04no :/
11:31.26Jeffrey04i mean post in the official developer forum
11:31.33denismah, ok :)
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11:32.15Jeffrey04and the IM wouldn't really respect the restricted_mode setting too :/
11:32.24Jeffrey04so it would stay on even when the setting is set to true
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11:33.38Jeffrey04the code that does the setting is here https://bitbucket.org/jeffrey04/restricted-mode-toggler/src/e89205012fa0/ModeUpdater_class.py line 13
11:34.28Jeffrey04the code actually works, because after execution, i did a check in Settings->Internet Connection
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11:36.11Ariedenism: what is battery life like with cell service?
11:37.02denismArie: it does not matter :) I am using it a lot, so I have to put it to charger every night
11:37.12Arieok
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11:50.37MrModRcan anybody with scratchbox help package a bunch of scripts for me?
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12:09.23TronicArkenoi: I have both N950 and N9, yes.
12:09.35Tronic*Arie (who left already)
12:14.28RzRTronic, and which one do you daily use ?
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12:51.58DocScrutinizer5800 ;-P
12:55.37DocScrutinizerTronic: arie: I think the Nokia liblocation is using/doing more than just GPS. That's probably why it's eating battery
12:58.37DocScrutinizere.g. it's also using WLAN (depending on type of lock you requested) which is known to consume quite a bit of energy for constant scanning
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12:59.56DocScrutinizerand it's actually obscure/unclear what liblocation does with modem to find location based on visible GSM stations and other on-the-air properties
13:01.07DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API#Location_methods  might help
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13:09.33tgalalso here is something
13:10.10tgalalget me a ticket for this http://lpunderground.groundctrl.net/events/102573?theme=inline and I shall send you a wazapp package immediately hehe
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13:55.35rzritsnotabigtruck, hi
13:55.43rzritsnotabigtruck, i see you pushed lftp
13:55.57rzritsnotabigtruck, did dj had a look at it ?
13:56.03itsnotabigtruckrzr: don't think so
13:56.11itsnotabigtruckthe problem was that the old one depends on gnutls and it's broken
13:56.23itsnotabigtruckso i tweaked it so it builds against openssl (0.9.8) instead
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14:12.21itsnotabigtruckbbl
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14:42.33tgalalArie: gotcha!
14:44.25Arietgalal: finally
14:44.50Ariedo you want to message me a faster way to reach you?
14:45.47Arietgalal: for your ticket talk to itsnotabigtruck
14:47.02tgalalArie: email is good, and you can catch me on google talk same email as well (personal one), but don't spread it
14:47.24tgalalcan itsnotabigtruck get me a ticket?
14:47.36Arieadd me on google talk everythingn9@gmail.com
14:48.15Arietgalal: if he doesn't know, he can point you in the right direction
14:49.01tgalalitsnotabigtruck: do you know?
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15:09.51GentooXativabye people, cu on few days
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16:25.55djszapihey, heh: "Ok game good to pass the time." and three stars. People are hard to understand. :-)
16:26.08djszapifor an ovi review, that is.
16:27.05spenapI had once a "very good app!" and then 3 stars as well :), so you can see
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16:29.35djszapispenap: perhaps better not to have review option in Ovi, if this crap happens xD
16:29.57djszapiI gave up checking the review rates to be honest while trying out new applications.
16:30.35rzrgood i feared you will hang yourself :)
16:30.45CreamyG31337i have one that says 'i wish it had this feature' 4/5, but i had that feature already :(
16:30.48CreamyG31337drives me nuts cuz there's no way to respond
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16:32.32djszapiCreamyG31337: I felt the same few months ago
16:32.36djszapiI had the same situation.
16:32.54djszapiI cannot even say, the feature is not intuitive to recognize. I have a settings page, and he requested a setting
16:32.59djszapiand it is at the top of the settings page.
16:33.12djszapiand I was totally incapable to reply. :-)
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16:40.53befordovi should allow developer's response
16:40.58befordis not that hard to implement..
16:41.50spenapin the end, I don't care that much. You could reply if the number of comments was low
16:42.10spenapbut in the end, it's simply impossible, so it's better to ignore them
16:42.14djszapiI definitely disagree
16:42.25djszapiwhy rating system, if the rating is not moderated ?
16:42.45spenapdjszapi: of course, the system doesn't work atm,
16:42.47spenapbut when commenting
16:43.06spenapyou could have several choices, like "rating / bug / feature"
16:43.19spenapso you could filter & reply the important ones
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16:45.20spenapbtw, I'm still looking for translators at https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/butaca/. Any help is definitely appreciated :-)
16:46.01djszapispenap: I do not care about advanced features until the fundamentals are working reliably.
16:46.11djszapithere is a rating system -> fix it.
16:46.35djszapirating is not a bad idea per se.
16:46.51spenapof course not, I always look at the ratings before downloading sth
16:47.11djszapiI do not anymore :-)
16:47.14spenap:P
16:47.35djszapiI have seen an app with full "good" feedback, not constructive critic
16:47.42djszapiand something like three stars average, but not mine.
16:51.32radiofreeI suppose on a scale of 1-5, 3 is "good"
16:52.53djszapithat is not the point. ;)
16:53.02djszapiif you do not give five stars, please let me know why!
16:53.06djszapiso I can improve that.
16:53.40djszapiat any rate, three stars do not really look cool for an application as an average review to be quite honest.
16:54.07djszapiit is the who cares category :)
16:54.11djszapiaka. middle.
16:54.41spenapdjszapi: in your next update, you could show a message asking users to review. That way, you can get users who haven't writing positively about the app
16:54.58radiofreethat would be pretty annoying...
16:55.14djszapiagree with radiofree about that :-P
16:56.04spenapradiofree, djszapi, it should depend on how intrusive it is
16:56.17spenapif it's just a small message in the bottom, and you can dismiss it forever
16:56.23spenapI don't think it's so annoying
16:56.48djszapibut then they do not recognize it...
16:56.55spenapstill, personally I find it different if I paid for the app or if it was free
16:56.58djszapianyway, it is not about my application's fame....
16:57.01djszapido not get me wrong...
16:57.14djszapiit is about the liability of an otherwise cool idea: rating.
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16:57.54djszapito be quite honest, I went for four and five stars applications in the past, if there were alternatives, but I do not follow that pattern anymore; simply because makes no sense with this system.
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17:57.08gabriel9hi
17:57.21gabriel9what's up?
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18:52.41lpapp|toughbookhey, anybody Finnish here could contact me in private for a language help ? Thanks!
18:53.45lpapp|toughbookdamn device manager I am looking for on Windows7  :D
18:55.54phakodevmgmt.msc
18:57.18lpapp|toughbookphako: that is not my point really :)
18:57.25lpapp|toughbookI was able to find according to the icon, already
18:57.29lpapp|toughbookbut tons of stuff I would need to check out
18:57.50lpapp|toughbookfull of Finnish, and damn Windows 7 without the ultimate thingie cannot even change the system language
18:58.41phakoah well
18:58.49phakomy finnish is rather rudimentary
19:00.43lpapp|toughbookFinnish is a weird language anyway xD
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19:03.11phakoaren't you hungarian?
19:05.03lpapp|toughbookIE is still a HUGE crap
19:06.04lpapp|toughbookImage type not allowed. -> on imagebin.org for png ? wth ? :D
19:07.00lpapp|toughbookI think it was not normal who thought "Finnish" is a cool language for international development purposes. :)
19:09.13lpapp|toughbookmin.us does not work either with IE crap
19:09.20lpapp|toughbookis there any other image uploading site ?
19:09.30lpapp|toughbookwhich might work reliably ?
19:10.16phakopicpaste.com
19:10.36phakohttp://666kb.com/
19:10.42phakothe latter might be german
19:10.46lpapp|toughbookdoes not work
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20:08.49djszapiphako: that german image paste site went haywire. Is there a way to regain the urls from the lately attached images ?
20:09.08djszapiphako: http://666kb.com/u.php -> I am unsure if I pasted this url wrongly to a bugreport.
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21:02.29djszapiwhat is the policy for Apps4MeeGo -> Can we have paid applications in there ?
21:02.32djszapiX-Fade lbt ^
21:02.37djszapilbt_away: ^
21:20.57djszapimerlin1991: python'ish issue again :-)
21:21.24djszapihttp://paste.kde.org/474506/
21:22.39merlin1991djszapi: not exactly a python issue ;)
21:22.54merlin1991also the error is pretty obvious there
21:23.06merlin1991missing include file / include path
21:23.49djszapifrom a system-wide python stuff...
21:25.55djszapiactually the problem is that this project I downloaded, depends on python 2.6 and I have python 3. Just the cumbersome generic issue...
21:27.00djszapiwell, it would work with installed 2.7 as well, but the raw Makefile is hard coded to 2.6, meh.
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