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00:57.41theoHi, I'm trying to open one application when a headset is connected, is there a way to detect when there's a headset (bt, or wired) connected?
00:58.14theoI found some code for bt, but nothing for the wired headset
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01:13.39befordthere is a dev input for the jack
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05:33.32mardySazpaimon: ping
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08:02.32admiral0hello
08:02.46admiral0i've got commhistoryd exploding
08:03.08admiral0database is corrupted and it won't save messages
08:03.35admiral0deleting .commhistoryd and hard resetting tracker didn't solve
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10:29.30ArkanoiD_wishes the asshole who desided to store everything in tracker database gets testicle cancer
10:29.36ArkanoiD_decided even
10:32.44rigoArkanoiD_, you can continue your wishes with KDE and Akonadi
10:55.11ArkanoiD_don't know how it works with KDE (on desktop my PIM is outlook under crossover because all linux PIMs i've seen so far are miserable failures)
10:56.03ArkanoiD_but for harmattan tracker-store basically needs you have non-stoping fsckups and glitches and there is no even dump/restore utility to restore database integrity
10:56.19ArkanoiD_when it was sqlite, yuo could at least dump and restore data
10:57.59ArkanoiD_now you have no idea why merging two contacts makes tracker-store eat 100% cpu forever, or why receiving this particular message prevents phone from receiving messages forever, or why this contact picture never appears or why this particular contact constantly drops out of merge or why that contact cannot be looked up etc etc
10:59.37ArkanoiD_damn it sucks like supersonic jet turbofan
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11:23.01djszapibeford: ping
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11:23.30cvp_hello @all
11:23.35Sazpaimonmardy, still here?
11:23.42mardySazpaimon: yep
11:23.49Sazpaimonokay great
11:24.07Sazpaimonim taking you up on your offer of helping me with some account related questions
11:24.15mardy:-)
11:25.14Sazpaimonbaically, I have an account that you need to sign in with with just a standard username and password, then it will either work, or send back a message saying to check your email for an access code
11:25.18djszapimardy: how is lifey ?
11:25.36cvp_can someone tell me if you consume more power if dev mode is on ?
11:25.48Sazpaimonif you get the email, you need to put in that access code along with your username and password, and it will need to be entered each time you log in
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11:26.13Sazpaimononce it's logging in, it will add a telepathy account
11:26.28mardySazpaimon: OK
11:26.29Sazpaimonso my question is, what's the proper code path to use for this
11:26.37mardydjszapi: all OK, no news is good news :-)
11:26.40Sazpaimonand also, best practices
11:27.00Sazpaimonbecause I assume doing all this in the accounts-ui code isn't really ideal
11:27.26mardySazpaimon: are there any ways to change this authentication method, so that it won't send you an e-mail but do something else?
11:27.34Sazpaimonmardy, nope
11:27.51mardySazpaimon: no alternatives?
11:27.57Sazpaimonyou can turn it off, but that's it
11:28.02mardySazpaimon: how does the service know your e-mail address?
11:28.21Sazpaimonyou give it to them when you sign up
11:28.35mardySazpaimon: via the website?
11:28.38Sazpaimon(and activate your account with it)
11:28.39Sazpaimoncorrect
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11:31.00mardySazpaimon: tricky, I'm afraid there's no way you can automate this; I guess that the account plugin should show a waiting screen, with the intructions, and a link to the e-mail application
11:31.32Sazpaimonthere's no way to know the email address associated with the account when the code is requested
11:31.36Sazpaimonthat's hidden
11:31.49cvp_sry. have anyone answer for my question?
11:32.21Sazpaimoncvp_, maybe running an ssh daemon will cause a tiny bit more power to be consumed
11:32.29Sazpaimonbut probably not really
11:32.55cvp_ok thanks :)
11:33.30Sazpaimonmardy, where should the code that handles checking the auth code and user details go? Do I need to make a signon plugin for that?
11:33.44djszapicvp_: IOW, 0.0000001% addition
11:34.03cvp_ok,
11:34.05djszapiif you wanna save power, I would recommend the suspend modes, but probably not hackable with aegis
11:34.12mardySazpaimon: once you get the code, will it work forever, or will you have to renew it from time to time?
11:34.46Sazpaimonmardy, my understanding i it will work for a long, long time
11:34.53Sazpaimonforever, I'm not sure
11:35.07Sazpaimonmaybe if you don't log in for a while, it will expire
11:35.34cvp_and is the wlan modul ever on? can i deactivate the wlan modul completly? or is there a toggle app what can do that?
11:36.14mardySazpaimon: will you write a new telepathy connection manager, or can you reuse an existing one?
11:37.14Sazpaimonmardy, undecided on that, there's already a libpurple plugin for the service, but that would require haze and would make distributing on the N9 difficult
11:38.14Sazpaimonthe protocol itself is relatively simple, so writing a new connection manager with telepathy wouldn't be difficult
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11:39.08mardySazpaimon: to access the service, do you need just the code, or also some other information (username again?)
11:39.12mardy?
11:40.58mjrosenbI have an n9, but I cannot install the dev tools, but it keeps giving me a connection reset
11:41.11Sazpaimonmardy, you need to re-sign in with your username and password with the access code
11:42.01mardySazpaimon: I wonder why they need the password again...
11:42.33mardySazpaimon: anyway, you could do it in several ways, but I'd opt for writing a SSO plugin
11:42.37Sazpaimonmardy, well, it treats the "access code requires" as a "login failed"
11:42.43Sazpaimonso it logs you out immediately
11:43.14mardySazpaimon: the SSO plugin would be used by your account plugin (when registering the account) and by your connection manager (to get the username, pw and code)
11:44.20mardySazpaimon: when your connection manager cannot login anymore (the code has expired), it can ask the SSO plugin to issue a new code
11:44.40mardySazpaimon: then the user will get the e-mail, and hopefully understand that he has to update the code into the account plugin
11:45.02Sazpaimonthere would be no way to show that to the end-user though would there
11:45.11mardySazpaimon: it would be nice if it were possible to add some extra text to the e-mail message, to explain to the user what he should do
11:45.16Sazpaimonit would just show "incorrect login" on the account status screen
11:45.46mardySazpaimon: I'm afraid that the presence applet only uses error codes
11:46.20mjrosenbI saw a link in here that said I needed to get some connection tools
11:46.26mjrosenbbut the link is broken
11:46.34mjrosenband by "in here", I mean in the logs
11:46.52mardySazpaimon: well, it would be a bit hackish, but your CM could sinthesize an instant messaging message to the user, explaining the issue :-)
11:47.05Sazpaimoncould it be set up where when the user goes to modify their account, it will check if the code is valid, then display the email message to them?
11:47.32Sazpaimoni assume the first thing a user does when they see that message is try to set their password again in the account plugin
11:47.43mardySazpaimon: no, because the account plugin wouldn't know how to get that e-mail in the first place
11:47.58Sazpaimonmardy, I mean the "check your email" message
11:48.15mardySazpaimon: oh, yes, this is indeed possible
11:49.00mardySazpaimon: but maybe not easily discoverable (for the non tech user)
11:49.01cvp_no idea about wlan module ? :(
11:49.10Sazpaimonalso, another potential issue is portability, if the telepathy CM is linked to SSO, that mean it can only ever be used on an N9, right?
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11:50.25mardySazpaimon: at the moment, yes :-) But you could easily toggle the dependency at compile time
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11:51.09Sazpaimonalso, correct me if I'm wrong, but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of doccumentation regarding making account manager UIs with meegotouch
11:51.42Sazpaimonmostly because the already existing account plugins don't have any of their source opened up
11:54.48Sazpaimonseems the easy route would be to just make the account plugin all qml-based
12:01.58mardySazpaimon: I do actually recommend you to write the account plugin in QML
12:03.15Sazpaimonmardy, is that just because of the complexity and lack of documentation of the meegotouch plugins?
12:05.56mardySazpaimon: mostly lack of documentation.
12:08.52Sazpaimonyeah, its a shame that nokia doesn't open source any of their UI stuff
12:13.25matrixxhas someone tried to add event with alarm using qt organizer api?
12:14.10matrixxmy event doesn't show up in the calendar, even though save operation returns true, do I have to do something special to flush the event?
12:14.48Sazpaimonmardy, regarding having the CM use SSO, its my understanding that the telepathy-qt cannot create CMs, and signon-glib is also sparsely documented
12:15.55mardySazpaimon: I don't know about telepathy-qt; signon-glib might not be documented extensively, but I know it rather well
12:18.50Sazpaimonmardy, do you have any sample plugins available?
12:19.37Sazpaimonactually, a quick google gave me https://launchpad.net/signon-glib-google-demo
12:20.07mardySazpaimon: that's not a plugin; wait, let me find something...
12:25.33mardySazpaimon: https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/trees/master
12:25.41mardySazpaimon: mainly the "accountsetup" directory
12:28.38Sazpaimonwait, this looks like an account plugin, not an SSO plugin
12:30.09mardySazpaimon: yes, I thought you were looking for that. A simple SSO plugin is here: http://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/browse/?repo=signond#git%2Fsrc%2Fplugins%2Fpassword
12:30.48mardySazpaimon: a more complex one (but complete with all its qmake stuff) is here: http://code.google.com/p/accounts-sso/source/browse?repo=signon-plugin-sasl
12:31.23mardySazpaimon: note that the signon version they depend on is a bit more advanced than that in the N9, but there shouldn't be substantial differences
12:32.52Sazpaimonmardy, what about signon-glib based plugins?
12:33.26mardySazpaimon: signon-glib and signon-qt are just client libraries, you don't use those to write plugins
12:33.37Sazpaimongot it
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12:40.05matrixxweird, seems that if I create an event for tomorrow, it shows up in the calendar, but if for this day, it doesn't show up
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