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03:31.44*** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9 | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/
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04:10.58*** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9 | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/
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04:15.00*** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9 | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/
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04:23.00*** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9 | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/
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05:13.01herdingcathi, is that worth buying N9 now?
05:17.50itsnotabigtruckherdingcat: perhaps, if you can get a good price on it (definitely no more than $300)
05:18.29itsnotabigtrucknokia's more or less abandoned it and the dev community isn't exactly thriving
05:19.02itsnotabigtruckbut it's still probably the best linux phone available
05:19.09itsnotabigtruckand it looks cool too
05:20.20herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I'm from China actually the price is fair to me. I know the development is almost dead but hope community can do sth.
05:22.13itsnotabigtruckwell, if you get one, put inception on it
05:22.51itsnotabigtruckalso consider flashing it from the chinese firmware (variant 003) to the w. europe firmware (001)
05:23.13herdingcatsighs
05:23.19itsnotabigtruckthough you'll lose the chinese social apps (but gain the western social apps)
05:23.29itsnotabigtrucki think it's possible to install everything though onto the 001 firmware
05:23.54herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I don't care about social stuff there. I'm a sysadmin, so does N9 support Cisco VPN client?
05:25.23itsnotabigtrucki think somebody was working on hacking something like that together
05:25.37itsnotabigtruckcisco's vpn system is proprietary garbage anyway, but that doesn't help you get connected to it
05:25.59itsnotabigtruckfor that matter connecting to any sort of vpn isn't easy on the n9
05:27.51herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, I may use openvpn w/ my token, just the chars size is too small.
05:28.45itsnotabigtruckafaik openvpn works ok but with zero gui support
05:28.55itsnotabigtruckif you intend to remote into stuff this is probably the wrong phone to use
05:29.09itsnotabigtruckor just use a laptop for such things
05:30.37itsnotabigtrucknight!
05:31.25herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, hmm, why noe?
05:31.33herdingcatitsnotabigtruck, hmm, why not?
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05:47.19dm8tbrherdingcat: I'd expect vpnc to work under harmattan too.
05:57.11herdingcatdm8tbr, do you have thought?
05:57.57pawky|2anywhere one can download a vpnc package nowadays?
05:58.24herdingcatpawky, http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/Release/standard/repodata/repoview/vpnc-0-0.5.3-5.1.html
05:59.40pawky|2doesn't really look like N9 package to me...
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06:01.12pawky|2has nobody compiled and packaged it for the N9 yet?
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06:02.21herdingcatpawky, you can use the Debian source, it would be good
06:02.25herdingcatpawky, I guess.
06:02.46dm8tbrshouldn't be too hard really
06:03.25dm8tbrgetting it access to the right aegisfoo categories might be more challenging ;)
06:03.34dm8tbrbut there just compare with the openvpn package
06:07.35jonnipawky|2: I've compiled vpnc for harmattan, works nicely and I can connect to my work just fine.
06:07.48pawky|2link? :-)
06:08.21jonnipawky|2: just havent released it yet, as Im still thinking should I release it as update to coding competition ;)
06:08.24herdingcatjonni, recompile?
06:08.51pawky|2jonni:secret link? :-)
06:19.05jonnisecretlink..../vpnc_0.5.3+rev517_armel.deb    ;) just wait a while and it might get released.
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06:30.24dm8tbrjonni: you'll be a hiro! ;)
06:30.31dm8tbrs/hiro/hero/
06:38.26pawky|2jonni: yeah, wny not.. I have been waiting for a year already, another couple of months might not change much. If you need a beta tester however, you know who to page :-)
06:39.19jonnihmm yes, I might need betatesters, package should work just fine, but I havent been testing postrm/uninstall script that much yet.
06:43.41pawky|2jonni:coun't me in :-)
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06:52.40jonniZogG_lap1op: postman just rang my doorbell, I'm all smiling now :)
06:54.22rantomjonni: Got a N9(50)?
06:54.48jonnirantom: N950
06:55.06rantomjonni: Congrats
06:56.02chem|stjonni: ehrm I know the guys who wrote it personaly, was it that a big issue to port it? if not you should consider it not your work...
06:56.39jonnichem|st: which app you mean?
06:56.45chem|stjonni: vpnc
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06:57.37chem|stjonni: that is unix workgroup material, one wrote it another one ported it to maemo and stuff
06:57.50jonnichem|st: vpnc from nortel svn:n repos latest revision, basicly crosscompiles without problems, only real work in that is to debianize it and make the aegis manifests.
06:58.14chem|stjonni: and you fwd it to coding competition?
06:58.24chem|stjust wondering
06:59.05chem|stif they recognize "packaging" for coding competition fine...
06:59.45jonnichem|st: havent decided, coding competition accepts updates and ports to that update category, so anyone can port vpnc and release it there. But sure I would prefer that the guys who are official maintainers of vpnc would port it and release it.
07:00.04jonnichem|st: but its been over an year and vpnc guys still havent released vpnc to harmattan
07:00.05chem|stjonni: that is what I thought
07:00.41chem|stjonni: that is because only 2 weeks ago the first n9 hit the workgroup afaik
07:01.09chem|stdon't know if script got a n950 but if it would have been ported a year ago
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07:01.34jonnichem|st: sure I can wait untill the last day of the competition and only release it then, if they havent managed to release it by then themselves :)
07:01.52chem|stjust ask him
07:02.12chem|st~seen script
07:02.14infobotscript is currently on #maemo, last said: 'sry .. E_WRONGCHAN ...'.
07:02.52chem|stI actualy don't know if there were any maintainer changes lmc
07:04.14chem|stjonni: ok the current maintainer is non of our workgroup, at least I do not recognize his name
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07:05.23chem|stah he is one of linux-tage.de
07:06.05chem|stI doubt he will update/upgrade it
07:06.52chem|stscript and Niggurath were the original two guys back in the good'ol days
07:06.54chem|st;)
07:07.25chem|stjonni: forget that I mentioned it, you may be kind enough to drop philipp an email...
07:09.04jonnirev517 commit was done by Antonio Borneo, havent figured out where he is located yet.
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07:11.16jonniatleast svn log shows that he has done all the latest commits.
07:12.49jonnichem|st: quick google shows him to be working STMicroelectronics in china, do you know him?
07:13.38chem|stjonni: not personaly, I guess I know some people he knows and we probably met some years ago but I just don't recognize his name :)
07:14.24chem|stah you mean antonio borneo?
07:14.32chem|stno then
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07:34.43Dr_Ihello
07:34.48Dr_Ihei
07:35.16Dr_Idoes any one have a spare N950
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07:42.15chem|stDr_I: nokia has some
07:43.05befordcommunity council has some
07:43.22chem|stthem too
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07:50.54Dr_IGood to hear
07:51.05Dr_Itak
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07:57.20jonniheh, I've won two N950's this month from different competitions... and I still plan to do 3 competition entries for different categories for coding competition... :)
07:57.55chem|stjonni: ehrm pls consider to donate one of them
07:59.33jonnior just put it on ebay so someone can enjoy it :)
08:01.30jonnibut its nice to have as many backup devices as possible, as they will surely break down at some point, and without backup devices one would be forced to switch to samsung or apple.
08:01.33chem|stjonni: that is pretty much what I consider to be not the right way
08:03.00chem|stjonni: I'd like to have both n950 and n9, for reward I chose n9 as that is the base working for...
08:03.31chem|stwell do what you want
08:03.52jonnimost likely I just give it to my wife as she loves hw keyboard. I already have 3 N9's so I have enough backup devices for that.
08:05.39chem|st*sigh* sounds like device hording
08:06.45jonniin a year it will most likely be harder to get hands on working devices, so better to stock up while its still possible.
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08:07.46chem|stin a year you will get used devices on ebay, like you get n900s now
08:08.15chem|stat least it is a way to show nokia that lumia sucks... buying n9s in packs of 10...
08:13.34jonnilumia has beatiful design... :)
08:17.48beford:P
08:21.57rantomYou can get Lumia 900 for 0.01 $ in Amazon, I think, now. It requires AT&T though, AFAIK
08:22.27rantomBackup N9 would be nice, preferably in white..
08:23.44b00^wkthey sell a cheaper pink version here ...
08:24.27rantomIf I'd happen to break my black 64 Gb N9 I'd probably swap the housing to cyan, if it'd fit
08:24.43b00^wki cracked screen on my black 64Gb N9 :(
08:24.47rantom:(
08:24.59b00^wkthose 64gb ones did not go down in price, funny
08:25.04rantomReplacement parts are popping up though so that shouldn't be an issue?
08:25.08b00^wkthe 16gb pink one goes for like half price
08:25.22rantomb00^wk: Yeah right. My N9 cost approx. 700 €
08:25.28rantomNow it costs what, 400 €
08:25.29b00^wkwell i had a plan to get that pink one and take screen out
08:25.32rantomThanks, Nokia...
08:25.41b00^wkno, thats outdated upopular phone
08:25.49b00^wkun-android :)
08:26.12b00^wki think i should go get that pink one .. while they still have it
08:26.31rantomhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRKvIg6ubAU this is what I could think of Nokia when I noticed the price drop...
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08:27.46pawky|2jonni: can I buy one N950 from you? :-)
08:30.29rantomb00^wk: Hmm. I was wrong. The black, 64, did drop in price, but for some reason the white did not drop, or not as dramatically
08:31.06rantom/etc
08:31.07b00^wk300 eur for 16gb one - is that ok or too much now days ?
08:31.29b00^wki would like to pay 150 rather ...
08:31.41rantomNot bad, I think
08:31.47rantomLumia is 399, IIRC
08:31.54rantom(Lumia 800, I mean)
08:32.00b00^wkcan you put Harmattan on Lumia 800 ?
08:32.56b00^wksomeone told me you can use a hammer  on that Lumia's screen - it won't break ..
08:49.15hiemanshuthats untrue
08:49.22hiemanshubut you can use it as a hammer for light jobs
08:49.31b00^wk:P
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10:30.25merlin1991hm https://twitter.com/NokiaPilipinas/status/218551355382579201
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11:03.05chem|stmerlin1991: valuable?!
11:03.41merlin1991nfc
11:11.29Lava_Croftmerlin1991: heh
11:11.35Lava_Croftsmall but valuable
11:11.38Lava_Croftthey better fix the camera
11:11.51Lava_Crofti dont give a hoot about nfc
11:13.53merlin1991Lava_Croft: I meant nfc #maemo style
11:13.57merlin1991~nfc
11:13.57infobotsomebody said nfc was No Fucking Clue, or near field communications
11:14.02Lava_Croftaah
11:14.04Lava_Croftno fucking clue:D
11:14.06Lava_Croftthat nfc
11:14.08merlin1991the former in this case :D
11:14.10merlin1991yep
11:14.20Lava_Croftthey really need to fix the camera
11:14.25Lava_Croftim leaving my n9 at home now:<
11:14.47Lava_Croftbut just the fact that 1.3 might actually arrive is nice enough
11:15.43merlin1991what's wrong with the camera?
11:16.06merlin1991my main problem is, that in my model the rtc is nuts
11:16.22merlin1991phone turned off for a day or two results in a time delta to realtime of about 4 hours
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11:16.39Lava_Croftthey broke the camera in software
11:16.49Lava_Croftapparently between a beta and the actual pr1.2
11:17.02Lava_Crofta lot of times it just doesnt respond at all, or responds after a minute orso
11:17.21Lava_Croftand it performs badly a lot of the time, choppier than n900
11:17.44Lava_Croftor it starts up, shows image and after 5 seconds quits responding
11:17.47Lava_Croftetc etc :<
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11:52.49Jaffamerlin1991: Lava_Croft: Seen the blogs aggregating what users hope/want/expect to see in PR1.3? Such classics as "USB OTG support", "Ability to run Android apps", ...
11:53.53Jaffa"VPN support" and "Editing [MS] Office files" are also fun: http://www.allboutn9.info/2012/06/pr-13-about-to-arrive-pr-14-planned.html
11:56.01merlin1991Jaffa: one gotta love it how all those "rumor" blogs quote each other and add some more speculation untill the last blog has a huge 100% wrong entry :D
11:56.49Jaffamerlin1991: Yup
11:56.50ZogG_lap1opJaffa: i want printing money addon for n9
11:57.02jonnifunny list, might as well put x-ray camera, bluetooth 4.0, teleportation device :)
11:57.06JaffaZogG_lap1op: I heard somewhere that there might be a printing money addon for n9
11:57.43ZogG_lap1opJaffa: cool, cool, cool. Would it be updated to making coins in pr1.4 ?
11:57.59merlin1991I only found out the other day, that the document viewer on harmattan can view .doc files
11:58.28ZogG_lap1opKozzi: wait ,so i thought you are new guy, but you was at TMO from '07 i see
11:58.29merlin1991though it has some difficulties placing headers at the right place :D
11:58.44ZogG_lap1opi don't use docs
11:58.50ZogG_lap1opespecially on the phone
11:58.54rigoZogG_lap1op, why don't you create a company and grab all those devs and create a new ecosystem? That is printing money in a niche between Winfon, Androit/Google-Frontend and iPhone
11:59.02ZogG_lap1opthough some teachers leep doing it
11:59.27ZogG_lap1oprigo: shhhhhh, why are telling it in front of everyone
12:00.00ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: i have dual boot with win on laptop just for office and visual studio
12:01.11merlin1991ZogG_lap1op: in the company I work design / requirement docs usually come in .doc form
12:01.27merlin1991management / our partners are a bit odd
12:01.41ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: and they use faxes =)
12:02.11ZogG_lap1opthere are certain things in the world that should die but they keep on fighting for existence
12:02.39ZogG_lap1oppdf can be opened anywhere on anything today and properly
12:02.47merlin1991ZogG_lap1op: worst thing regarding faxes / whatever is our university
12:02.58ZogG_lap1opyou can select text and make it unselectable
12:03.05merlin1991the meeting minutes of one of the important gremiums are done in a pdf
12:03.20ZogG_lap1opi think pdf is good
12:03.24merlin1991but they can't send last meetings minutes to everyone because the archived file is A SCAN OF THE PRINTED PDF
12:03.54ZogG_lap1opand i think odf should be worked on harder and be used as international format in any company
12:04.42ZogG_lap1opnot because i love opensource (and i do) but because it would be pened in any OS with any operation system and anyone can get free tools to work with it
12:04.49merlin1991so the file in question which one can dl from the servers i like 5MB for 2 pages of meeting minutes
12:05.09ZogG_lap1opwhile some people just need to open doc once need to buy the whole moffice
12:06.09ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: scan of printed pdf? WTF?
12:07.09merlin1991yes
12:07.16ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: it's like to rewrite fro printed page to your hand writing and print it like that =) why? if you already have the original
12:07.26ZogG_lap1opfro=from
12:08.02ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: why it can't be shared ower some company server/school server?
12:08.20merlin1991well they share the scan ove the university server
12:08.24merlin1991the friggin scan
12:10.02ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: i got 17 pnts grade for programming exam, you know why, because of F#$%#@ windows
12:10.20merlin199117 pnts of how many?
12:10.26ZogG_lap1opi was at 4hour exam when i had to finish the C++ program
12:10.35ZogG_lap1opmerlin1991: listen to whole story
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12:10.43merlin1991:)
12:10.49Lava_Croftthat sounds like an awfully unstable argument to make
12:11.19ZogG_lap1opso i made "save as..." to other partition as we have one shared with queston and one per student to put answers
12:11.54ZogG_lap1opso made save as and after that i made save only as i though it would save at new destanation like any other normal app
12:12.33Lava_Croftthat works fine on my Windows
12:12.50ZogG_lap1opso i apperantly send file i worked on for 30 minutes
12:12.57Lava_Croft:<
12:12.58ZogG_lap1opwhen the whole exam was 4 hours
12:13.06ZogG_lap1opso i got 17 / 100
12:13.07Lava_Croftsounds like meh bug in application
12:13.10Lava_Croftnot windows itself:<
12:13.24ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: it's visual studio
12:13.27Lava_Croftand?
12:13.30Lava_Croftthats not Windows
12:13.33Lava_Croftits Visual Studio
12:13.42ZogG_lap1opit's microsoft app for making app
12:13.43Lava_Crofti use Win7 quite a lot, and what you described works fine over here
12:13.49Lava_Croftin a multitude of windows programs
12:13.52Lava_Crofti dont use VS tho :X
12:14.03Lava_Croftalso, this doesnt make it suck any less for you :<
12:14.22Lava_Croftit was a local partition?
12:14.29Lava_Croftit works fine over here on remote and local partitions
12:14.51Lava_Crofti would totally go to your school and tell them about this:P
12:14.56Lava_Croftpoo software
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12:27.00pawky|2If school would tell me to do an exam using Windows, i would tell them to go F themselves..
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12:33.11pawky|2And join a more propper school..
12:33.21rigoZogG_lap1op: I would buy such a niche fone for better privacy and less invasive apps
12:34.17rigoand for the linux / KDE/ QT integration. But in this case, the X Window system on the phone should be able to be exported on the screen of my computer :)
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12:40.49ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: i was out sorry
12:41.58ZogG_lap1opLava_Croft: the exam on C:/ or something and you need to make a archive on d:/ with your id name and send thru some app in taskbar, while it's not just drag'n'drop app
12:43.06ZogG_lap1opand than the TI man there who needs to take your exam didn't give me to re-check what i sent to double check.
12:44.06ZogG_lap1opand i called them asking to give me extra exam or to ask IT ro find file on this computer, but it was loop of them sending me IT-> managment and managment->IT
12:44.16ZogG_lap1opby IT i mean tech support
12:44.50ZogG_lap1opso i got 17/100 points and i know what i wrote it was about 85 grade
12:45.05ZogG_lap1opanyway life unfair
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12:45.34ZogG_lap1opi'll take this same course this summer, while i wouldn't go there, simple as that, just HW. did it first time too =)
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12:57.09trxi need to go again.. :/ i'll be back in an hour or two
12:57.10trxbye
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14:43.01ZogG_lap1op~ping
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14:43.09ZogG_lap1opjonni: no mail yet? =(
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14:47.00ZogG_lap1opbeford: sup
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14:51.01ZogG_laptopjonni: i read the log, yu got the phone without mail, maybe coz you ex-nokia =)
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15:04.31ZogG_laptopjonni: mazal tov
15:14.05ZogG_laptopphako: n9 or n950
15:14.21phakon9
15:14.33ZogG_laptopphako: and you wanted n9 or n950?
15:14.39phakowanted one
15:14.42phakon9
15:14.45ZogG_laptopnice
15:14.51ZogG_laptopso you have ow two =)
15:14.54ZogG_laptopi got n950
15:15.05ZogG_laptopnot yet but on it's way
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15:23.41befordhey ZogG_laptop
15:23.43befordawesome!
15:23.59befordZogG_laptop, btw nokia QA claimed I was vioalating IPr by using the audioscrobbler logo
15:24.11befordthey probably did not check that I am not including it in my package :p
15:24.11ZogG_laptoplol
15:24.19befordnokia already includes it in the icon theme
15:24.33befordso i answered that
15:24.39befordlets see if pr 1.3 removes that logo?
15:24.40befordxD
15:24.45ZogG_laptopbeford: for logo (as i can't use icon) i just scroted the i from imgur site logo =)
15:25.02befordhah yea
15:26.28ZogG_laptopbeford: what logo btw? can you link me to it and is it released — i mean the app?
15:26.31ZogG_laptop
15:27.32befordit should be on your device even if you dont have the app
15:27.38befordicon-m-service-lastfm.png
15:27.41befordsomething along those lines
15:27.54ZogG_laptoplol
15:28.04ZogG_laptopi want to install your app already
15:28.09befordoh
15:28.16befordlet me get the deb and upload it
15:28.17ZogG_laptopbeford: btw looking forward to support meeplay =)
15:29.08ZogG_laptopbeford: btw should i uninistall the one from maemo? i used mamemo's one to scrobble
15:29.36befordI used the same package name so they should conflict
15:29.43befordor appear as an updated package
15:29.51befordmm nokia publish and its sso thing
15:30.59ZogG_laptopyou should harmattase the name
15:31.41ZogG_laptopmeesupermegaharmattanscrobblerofthefuture_0.1_armel.deb
15:31.55befordlol
15:34.49ZogG_laptopbeford: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85103&highlight=playmee
15:35.07ZogG_laptopbeford: btw my jabber is zogg@noicq.org
15:35.12ZogG_laptopif you want to add me
15:38.03befordsure
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19:07.13jonniZogG_laptop: I got it without email because they used finnish postal office, which doesnt send emails, vs dhl for other countries.
19:08.15ZogG_laptopoh right
19:08.29ZogG_laptopjonni: btw you still at nokia or other job already?
19:09.57jonniZogG_laptop: still at nokia for about 2 months or so.
19:11.35jonniafter that I will most likely take the severance package, but lets see.
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19:31.58ZogG_laptopjonni: =\
19:43.41jonniZogG_laptop: I have some jobinterviews booked already, so towards new opportunities... :)
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