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| 01:34.29 | louisdk | Hi. |
| 01:35.00 | louisdk | I love when an ebay seller don't answer my questions. Don't the want to sell his products? |
| 01:37.15 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 01:41.08 | louisdk | I've been looking for this case for my N950: http://bit.ly/PvmrIK but it in Size M and the one for E7 is in Size XXXL so I a bit confused about which size is right. Is the N950 really than thinner than the E7? |
| 01:47.45 | itsnotabigtruck | i doubt it's thinner |
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| 01:56.28 | louisdk | itsnotabigtruck: Me 2. Therefore I don't understand why the sizes defer. Anyway an ebay seller that doesn't answer my messages isn't worth to buy from IMO. |
| 01:58.03 | itsnotabigtruck | if you find a good n950 case make sure to point it out |
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| 02:08.19 | MohammadAG | zeq, DocScrutinizer05 http://i47.tinypic.com/mkgj0k.jpg :P |
| 02:08.40 | MohammadAG | I get about 2.5MBps on the road, 4-5 when stationary |
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| 02:32.27 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, what are you driving? |
| 02:32.39 | ptl | in the N9, is there a command like 'at' to schedule commands? |
| 02:33.03 | Hurrian | cron? |
| 02:33.42 | itsnotabigtruck | Hurrian: not an official n9 package |
| 02:33.48 | itsnotabigtruck | and not aegis aware |
| 02:33.55 | ptl | [user@n9 developer]$ which cron |
| 02:33.55 | ptl | [user@n9 developer]$ |
| 02:34.04 | itsnotabigtruck | there's timed but scheduling something with it is pretty tricky |
| 02:34.13 | itsnotabigtruck | no easy command line program |
| 02:35.16 | ptl | :-( |
| 02:35.25 | ptl | I think I will try sleep + tmux |
| 02:35.33 | ptl | however... tmux cannot create a socket? |
| 02:35.47 | ptl | [user@n9 developer]$ tmux |
| 02:35.48 | ptl | can't create socket: No such file or directory |
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| 02:41.04 | ptl | ok... did it |
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| 08:37.21 | pa | hei |
| 08:37.35 | pa | do you know whether someone compiled regular "ping" for harmattan? |
| 08:37.44 | pa | the version that is on the phone is something strange |
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| 08:52.40 | macmaN | MohammadAG itsnotabigtruck is inception capable of helping kill the dreaded ui-disaster of a "Switch Internet connection on? Yes / No" dialog box? |
| 09:11.31 | chem|st | macmaN: you are speaking of a toggle button for the desktop? |
| 09:12.51 | macmaN | chem|st: well no, not necessarily. although yes i would definitely love to cut down on the number of gestures it takes to reach internet switch. but to narrow scope, at first i would simply NEVER like to see that ubermodal dialog again. its like a starved beggar, popping up whenever it deems necessary in the middle of other activities. wtf was nokia thinking |
| 09:13.59 | jonni | so why dont you just keep it on always, then there never is a dialog popping up? |
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| 09:24.04 | Hurrian | macmaN: I would love to see the internet connection dialog implemented in system-ui fremantle-style. |
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| 09:31.15 | diorahman | Wohooo |
| 09:31.43 | macmaN | jonni: this thing simple doesn't have enough battery life. |
| 09:32.04 | macmaN | jonni: i would consider that a workaround :> |
| 09:32.29 | macmaN | there's also the "allow background connections" switch, i could turn that off |
| 09:32.30 | jonni | macmaN: you can always create dummy iap, have internet connection always enabled, and switch do dummy when you dont need data flowing. |
| 09:32.49 | macmaN | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 09:32.54 | macmaN | now that is interesting |
| 09:34.33 | jonni | I've created on my N9 dummy-iap, and usbnet-iap, those dont eat battery. But then again, I keep my phone in charger everynight, so I have never runned out of battery even when radios are online all the time. |
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| 09:36.40 | macmaN | so this may be a stupid question, but how do you create the dummy iaps |
| 09:36.49 | macmaN | its not in Settings is it |
| 09:37.06 | macmaN | oh wait, Create New Connection |
| 09:37.25 | jonni | not in settings. |
| 09:37.51 | jonni | http://maemo.gitorious.org/icd2-network-modules you can compile your own custom modules. |
| 09:38.16 | jonni | from fremantle repoes |
| 09:38.51 | faenil | jonni, I fixed my harmattan booting issue |
| 09:39.01 | faenil | it was a matter of internal charging state |
| 09:39.19 | jonni | faenil: wierd |
| 09:39.37 | faenil | the n950 thought it was in charging state, so when you switched the phone on it wouldn't detect any charger and it would switch off |
| 09:40.48 | macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79929 |
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| 09:40.56 | jonni | faenil: ah, so it was trying to boot to act_dead-mode? and you fixed it by booting with force-power-key option? |
| 09:41.02 | macmaN | My colleague found another solution - simply make an empty adhoc network, once enabled, it does what dummy/usb are supposed to do - shuts the icd up :-) |
| 09:41.06 | jonni | faenil: or something else |
| 09:41.20 | faenil | jonni, I plugged the charger after choosing harmattan in moslo |
| 09:41.27 | faenil | it went to the charging screen |
| 09:41.29 | jonni | macmaN: that doesnt help you, adhoc eats wifi battery :) |
| 09:41.38 | faenil | and then I switched it on keeping the charger plugged |
| 09:41.47 | macmaN | jonni: hrm. good point i guess |
| 09:42.23 | jonni | macmaN: adhoc only enables the usbnetworking to work, but doesnt help on your problem. |
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| 09:51.16 | macmaN | libicd-network-dummy isn't available from any repo? |
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| 10:04.22 | macmaN | ok installing scratchbox then |
| 10:05.53 | chem|st | I was lookig for dbus msg for bgconnections or nw/connections but they have no api it seems |
| 10:06.16 | chem|st | bt has powersaving has and so on but not networking... lame |
| 10:07.37 | chem|st | also fenix not having smtp by wifi setup... why do they always cut off the good things when evolving... usualy evolution is a good thing... |
| 10:07.37 | Venemo_N9 | hey guys |
| 10:07.42 | chem|st | o/ |
| 10:08.06 | chem|st | any of the meepass guys here? |
| 10:08.26 | Venemo_N9 | what brand of in ear headphones do you recommend? |
| 10:09.26 | chem|st | ew headset or speaker? |
| 10:11.09 | Venemo_N9 | neither |
| 10:11.11 | chem|st | I prefer the old-school ones and have some 12eur sennheiser, I do not like the sticky-gum-thingy ones which came with n900 |
| 10:11.49 | Venemo_N9 | well I'm talking about that kind you don't like |
| 10:11.55 | chem|st | Venemo_N9: neither? neither would men in-ear-microphone... |
| 10:12.10 | chem|st | ok |
| 10:12.41 | chem|st | the best I had so far, in terms of fit and sound were sony |
| 10:13.35 | Venemo_N9 | mhm |
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| 10:14.08 | Venemo_N9 | there are some Sony here |
| 10:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | moo folks |
| 10:15.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: already talked with merlin1991 about S maint? |
| 10:16.48 | Venemo_N9 | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 10:17.16 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: wrong chan, but yes, I am setup for maint (reminds me of ssh-key setup for garage) |
| 10:17.42 | macmaN | ive been sticking with the n9 stock earphones |
| 10:18.04 | macmaN | sound is all right, there's a remote control and a mic on the wire, and they look all right too |
| 10:19.04 | chem|st | Venemo_N9: I bought philips o'neill heavy duty on ear ones |
| 10:19.31 | chem|st | perfect sound, good fit and not the feeling of something in my ears... |
| 10:19.44 | Venemo_N9 | macmaN, but they're not inear |
| 10:20.08 | macmaN | yeah true |
| 10:20.31 | macmaN | i would gladly experiment with inears, if they had the mic and the remote integrated |
| 10:20.41 | macmaN | compatible remote |
| 10:20.46 | macmaN | i dont think there is such a model |
| 10:20.59 | chem|st | macmaN: n900... |
| 10:21.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | my best buy hp are sony, 20+ years old, and foldable clamp type |
| 10:21.25 | chem|st | macmaN: any iphone in-ear |
| 10:22.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's been the "second generation" walkman period headphone design |
| 10:22.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I wear glasses and ear-covering-phones are a pain after a while |
| 10:22.41 | chem|st | ah those |
| 10:22.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | they are not ear covering |
| 10:23.46 | chem|st | get it... |
| 10:24.00 | macmaN | well i think we all know iphone white hp's are jus not the ones for n9 |
| 10:24.23 | chem|st | macmaN: get a white n9 then^^ |
| 10:24.33 | chem|st | my sennheisers are white |
| 10:25.36 | Lava_Croft | AKG all the way! |
| 10:25.38 | macmaN | lol :> |
| 10:25.54 | macmaN | "get a white n9" is a rather expensive way to get headphones :> |
| 10:26.13 | macmaN | Harmattan SDK was successfully installed. |
| 10:26.16 | macmaN | yey |
| 10:27.24 | chem|st | I'd love to get a white64gb one instead of the black16gb |
| 10:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120722_001.jpg |
| 10:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and (probably) http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120722_002.jpg |
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| 10:30.42 | chem|st | :) |
| 10:31.01 | chem|st | l8er o/ |
| 10:31.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 10:37.35 | Venemo_N9 | chem|st, who wouldn't |
| 10:37.59 | Venemo_N9 | I thought about it too |
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| 10:38.42 | Venemo_N9 | decided that there are better ways to waste money |
| 10:39.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, senheiser. AKG is more what I like |
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| 10:40.27 | Venemo_N9 | I decided to give a chance to Sony this time |
| 10:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.head-fi.org/products/akg-k340-electrostatic-dynamic-headphones ok ok I got those like 30+ years ago |
| 10:45.34 | MohammadAG | I love my AKGs |
| 10:46.45 | MohammadAG | K518LE and Q350 |
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| 10:48.04 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles: VW Golf '00 |
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| 10:56.35 | niwakame | anyone having a best practice way on encapsulating QNetworkManager calls? |
| 10:56.44 | niwakame | I have something like this: |
| 10:58.26 | niwakame | QML[Push Button] ---(Call Method "getABC()")---> WrapperClass doing some preparing ---(getRESTCall(..)----> QNetworkManager stuff |
| 10:59.51 | niwakame | Now as this is asynchronous, I don't have problems using a Callback in the class that's using the QNetworkManager, but in the WrapperClass |
| 11:00.32 | niwakame | I could emit a signal there, but then I don't know what happens if there are multiple Network calls at once |
| 11:01.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.faust3d.com/wiki/index.php?title=AKG_K340 and :-(( for the changes during production run. Otherwise I'd get them again |
| 11:03.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N9: Sony and similar don't reproduce sounds as good as old industry headphones |
| 11:03.58 | MohammadAG | AKGs are awesome |
| 11:04.00 | MohammadAG | Monster's Beats by dr. dre aren't |
| 11:04.11 | MohammadAG | They're just overbassed overhyped headphones for a sad new generation |
| 11:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 11:05.16 | Venemo_N9 | MohammadAG, if it's not good I'll just get something else next time |
| 11:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | the mp3 generation |
| 11:05.26 | Venemo_N9 | lol |
| 11:05.37 | niwakame | MohammadAG: I rechoiced on using studio monitor headphones some time ago for that reason |
| 11:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | niwakame: mind to share type and brand? |
| 11:06.39 | pawky|2 | Does anybody know how to tether using bluetooth and the N9? |
| 11:06.48 | niwakame | Have to look it up, though they we're really cheap but outstanding in sound quality for that price |
| 11:06.55 | Venemo_N9 | MohammadAG, there was some AKD too but it cost twice as much |
| 11:07.10 | niwakame | You can't read German, can you? xD |
| 11:07.56 | niwakame | http://www.head-fi.org/products/superlux-hd-668-b/reviews |
| 11:08.17 | niwakame | these are open, there is a closed variant with more noise protection afaik |
| 11:08.55 | pawky|2 | anyone knowing anything about tethering? |
| 11:09.30 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, what's wrong with it? |
| 11:09.52 | Venemo_N9 | hm |
| 11:10.10 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N9: Sure, but here's a tip |
| 11:10.12 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: I am not sure... I am trying to tether with bluetooth and/or USB and an Asus Transformer without luck |
| 11:10.19 | Venemo_N9 | how do i type a dash with the Swype keyboard |
| 11:10.21 | pawky|2 | I am not sure where things are going wrong.. |
| 11:10.38 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer05: they should be around 29 euros, which isn't really much and were high rated everywhere... |
| 11:10.39 | pawky|2 | press extra characters? |
| 11:10.47 | MohammadAG | I Spent about 100$ on lots of headphones that ended up breaking |
| 11:10.49 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, are you talking about tethering the n9? |
| 11:10.54 | pawky|2 | yes |
| 11:11.09 | qwazix | New rawcam out! Anybody who would like to test it? |
| 11:11.09 | MohammadAG | So spend a hefty amount once and get good headphones that would last a long time |
| 11:11.09 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer05: If I pair them with my MAudio card and listen to some classical music it's world apart from regular headphones |
| 11:11.30 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: Use the N9 as a modem... for the Asus that doesn't have 3t |
| 11:11.30 | niwakame | +s |
| 11:11.43 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, you should disable the cellular connection on the N9 |
| 11:11.45 | pawky|2 | (s/3t/sg/ |
| 11:12.06 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: duh?.... am i not disabling the 3G then? |
| 11:12.40 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, no you are telling you're n9 not to take back it's modem |
| 11:12.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | niwakame: price is not always a criterion. I used a cheapish AKG12 pickup in my Thorens turntable with SME lever (the lever cost ~300EUR on its own, the turntable 5 times as much) |
| 11:12.51 | Venemo_N9 | your |
| 11:12.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the pickup was like 25EUR |
| 11:13.12 | Venemo_N9 | MohammadAG, yeah I realized that |
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| 11:13.48 | MohammadAG | I wonder how I could wire the cig lighter 12V output to my car switch |
| 11:13.51 | Venemo_N9 | guys... Swype is annoying |
| 11:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | all disclaimer IIRC, as that's been in the 80s |
| 11:14.09 | MohammadAG | I fear the router will drain my car battery while it's off |
| 11:14.10 | Venemo_N9 | does it get better? |
| 11:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | when we user Deutschmarks here ;-D |
| 11:14.18 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: sorry... maybe I am a bit to blurry in my asking... I want to use the N9 as a modem for the Asus. But using the Wifi tethering possibility in the N9 is draining the battery to fast, thus I want to use bluetooth or USB |
| 11:14.23 | qwazix | Venemo_N9, swype is mostly annoying because even if you don't use it it makes your life harder |
| 11:14.39 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N9: To me swype is a gimmick |
| 11:14.39 | pawky|2 | qwazix: I use it every day works fine... |
| 11:14.43 | rash_m2k | No the cig lighter should power off when not in use |
| 11:14.54 | rash_m2k | I meant when the ignition is off |
| 11:14.57 | pawky|2 | MohammadAG: To me swype is a better option to T9 |
| 11:15.05 | MohammadAG | rash_m2k: It doesn't in my golf |
| 11:15.10 | qwazix | It was much much easier to switch layouts in pr1.0 but they changed that behavior because they included swype |
| 11:15.20 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, step 1. disable the cellular data on the N9 |
| 11:15.21 | MohammadAG | To T9, yes, to a qwerty, no |
| 11:15.37 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, step2 connect it via usb |
| 11:15.37 | pawky|2 | MohammadAG: its just about getting used to it, and understand its limits.. |
| 11:15.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | swype and T9 and shite are an indication that nothing beats a decent hw kbd ;-D |
| 11:15.49 | rash_m2k | put a switch into it and connect it to the ignition? |
| 11:15.52 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, then you can tether it |
| 11:15.59 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: ahh.. i think i get it... will try.. |
| 11:16.08 | MohammadAG | rash_m2k: Yeah, how :p |
| 11:16.20 | MohammadAG | Plus I'm using a 12V output in the trunk |
| 11:16.37 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer05: hehe, so just check them out. It's so cheap you can throw them away or give away as present if they don't suit your taste. But they are the best I've had up until now. |
| 11:16.54 | MohammadAG | rash_m2k: http://i47.tinypic.com/mkgj0k.jpg |
| 11:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | niwakame: thanks for the pointer |
| 11:17.04 | rash_m2k | I bet there will be some wires on the back of the radio that tell you when the ignition is off |
| 11:17.11 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, what I'm saying is if you don't do step1, the N9 will start using its data while you are tethering it, thus disabling the tethered connection |
| 11:18.04 | Venemo_N9 | the cellular data can not be used by the phone and the other device simzl |
| 11:18.12 | Venemo_N9 | simultaneously |
| 11:18.14 | Venemo_N9 | meh |
| 11:18.22 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: Is the option called "Cellular data"? |
| 11:18.37 | pawky|2 | or are we talking "allow background connections"? |
| 11:18.43 | Venemo_N9 | dunno offhand |
| 11:18.45 | qwazix | Venemo_N9, really? I remember using both on the N900 with bt dun |
| 11:18.57 | pawky|2 | ahh.. probably "internet connection".. |
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| 11:19.23 | Venemo_N9 | qwazix, it never worked on n9(50) |
| 11:19.40 | qwazix | how lame... |
| 11:19.45 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer05: welcome! |
| 11:21.06 | macmaN | jonni: i think i just managed to build icd-network-dummy and dpkg -i it |
| 11:21.11 | macmaN | awesomez, great success |
| 11:21.35 | macmaN | jonni: did you also do gconftool-2 -s -t boolean /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/autoconnect true |
| 11:21.38 | macmaN | ? |
| 11:22.35 | qwazix | is there a qt api to control the notification led of the N9? |
| 11:23.58 | Venemo_N9 | my problem with Swype is that there is no option to disable its second guessing me |
| 11:24.22 | Venemo_N9 | qwazix, probably there is some API |
| 11:24.29 | Venemo_N9 | not necessarily qt |
| 11:24.33 | pawky|2 | Venemo_N9: seems the bluetooth connection is only OPP... shouldn't it also be DUN? |
| 11:24.37 | qwazix | can't find anything on google |
| 11:24.55 | Venemo_N9 | pawky|2, I'm not sure |
| 11:25.00 | qwazix | I have some code for the N900 which uses /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds |
| 11:25.11 | macmaN | BT DUN works fine for me |
| 11:25.23 | macmaN | there's no PAN tho :/ |
| 11:25.45 | qwazix | MohammadAG, is the N9 led controlled by /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_leds like the N900? |
| 11:26.05 | MohammadAG | Yep |
| 11:26.14 | qwazix | thanks |
| 11:26.25 | MohammadAG | It's exactly the same with different sysfs naming |
| 11:26.48 | qwazix | remember what is the new name? |
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| 11:28.04 | djszapi_ | darn... edmondo does not provide a harmattan version |
| 11:30.08 | Venemo_N9 | bbl |
| 11:30.59 | niwakame | huh that looks inviting: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-byODONVfP8w/UAvigu5hisI/AAAAAAAA900/F0TMWHn8bbI/s1543/03001_amazingamalficoast_1920x1080.jpg |
| 11:31.49 | macmaN | jonni: hmmm, Dummy isn't showing up in the connection list. it is only in the Edit Networks list but doesn't show the edit screen. |
| 11:32.15 | djszapi_ | so any edmondo like stuff for n9? |
| 11:36.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | correction: I guess it's been an audio technica AT-12A(?) pickup |
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| 11:42.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously a green colored sibling of http://eu.audio-technica.com/de/products/product.asp?catID=6&subID=42&prodID=2846 AT120E/T |
| 11:43.48 | niwakame | I always miss the static from turntables. Should get one myself. |
| 11:47.44 | niwakame | And it's sad youth nowadays can't hear the difference of a crappy 320p youtube video and a FLAC file :< |
| 11:49.25 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: how is video resolution related to audio format =P |
| 11:50.11 | niwakame | ZogG_laptop: for youtube that correlates http://www.h3xed.com/web-and-internet/youtube-audio-quality-bitrate-240p-360p-480p-720p-1080p |
| 11:51.23 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: ha, that's why noise music is popular |
| 11:51.34 | ZogG_laptop | they used to listen to music from youtube =) |
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| 11:52.05 | niwakame | It's a shame for a serious artist |
| 11:52.28 | niwakame | Don't let compression take away one of the worlds most beautiful thing :) |
| 11:53.14 | niwakame | +s |
| 11:53.24 | rzr | qwazix, hi |
| 11:53.36 | MohammadAG | niwakame: I'm 18 and I know the difference :P |
| 11:53.47 | qwazix | rzr, hi |
| 11:53.56 | MohammadAG | Sadly my friends don't and they simply download music using a YouTube to mp3 converter |
| 11:53.59 | niwakame | MohammadAG: speaking about the broad public |
| 11:53.59 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you are exception |
| 11:54.05 | rzr | qwazix, i tested the 1st version of rawcam yesterday |
| 11:54.13 | MohammadAG | Best part is they download the 240p one for smaller size |
| 11:54.15 | rzr | i didnt work on n950 using sudo |
| 11:54.21 | niwakame | There was a Game Music concert in Cologne |
| 11:54.31 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: niwakame i like those who download youtube music and convert it to flac =) |
| 11:54.35 | niwakame | something like the "Play!" events in the US |
| 11:54.58 | qwazix | rzr, why would it need sudo? |
| 11:55.11 | niwakame | and you could see the faces of the younger audience it was just like "WTF this is what an orchestra sounds for realZ?" |
| 11:55.24 | rzr | qwazix, i have inception just openkernel |
| 11:55.31 | rzr | i havent inception |
| 11:55.35 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop: LOL |
| 11:55.55 | qwazix | It works on my N9 without inception nor openkernel, |
| 11:56.15 | MohammadAG | I use ALAC/FLAC when possible |
| 11:56.25 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: it's actually not funny. but people actually convert videos and music from low quality to high quality. they don;t get it can't work like that |
| 11:56.28 | qwazix | on the N950 I have openkernel but I don't think it has anything to do. |
| 11:56.28 | MohammadAG | apple devices don't play FLAC :/ |
| 11:56.41 | qwazix | Did you download the deb or did you build it yourself? |
| 11:56.53 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: try this aegisctl -s and than run it |
| 11:56.53 | niwakame | well everything up from 192kbps mp3 is also fine |
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| 11:57.09 | niwakame | then it depends on your audio equip like headphones |
| 11:57.28 | MohammadAG | niwakame: Yeah but you don't convert a 240p video to 320kbps mp3 |
| 11:57.35 | niwakame | certainly not |
| 11:57.45 | ZogG_laptop | people do that |
| 11:57.57 | niwakame | but these are the kind of people that make their facebook profile public :) |
| 11:59.19 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: my profile is half public =) |
| 11:59.22 | niwakame | ha reminds me of listening to Alan Parsons Project again :> |
| 11:59.57 | MohammadAG | I really wish I had a 64GB iPhone |
| 12:00.23 | MohammadAG | I could use my N9 but iTunes library is well organized and I can't get the same experience on the N9 |
| 12:00.53 | niwakame | I'm into Spotify atm....I know not everyone likes it... |
| 12:01.00 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think there are apps to orginize and sync with mass storage =) |
| 12:01.15 | ZogG_laptop | i can't use spotify in my country |
| 12:01.19 | ZogG_laptop | s MohammadAG can't |
| 12:01.25 | ZogG_laptop | proxy is not an answer |
| 12:01.32 | rash_m2k | vpn? |
| 12:01.59 | niwakame | Sounds like a demonstration sign sentence |
| 12:02.04 | niwakame | "Proxy is not an answer!" |
| 12:02.07 | niwakame | :P |
| 12:02.49 | niwakame | Was so happy it started in Germany this year |
| 12:03.04 | niwakame | and they do have many alternative and niche music |
| 12:03.16 | niwakame | even some Video Game Music artists I like :> |
| 12:04.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang! the SME tone arm SME M2 12R costs ~2000EUR now :-o |
| 12:04.22 | niwakame | oO |
| 12:04.32 | qwazix | rzr, what error do you get? |
| 12:04.47 | niwakame | DocScrutinizer05: then......just buy like...5 of them? :P |
| 12:04.59 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame: we hardly have google maps today =) |
| 12:05.17 | niwakame | ZogG_laptop: really? |
| 12:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | niwakame: this think cost ~600 Deutschmark when I placed it on my Thorens MK-II in 1985 |
| 12:05.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | thing* |
| 12:06.30 | niwakame | Then it's not much more expensive :) |
| 12:08.51 | *** part/#harmattan djszapi_ (~lpapp@109.79.152.53) |
| 12:09.33 | niwakame | Inflation and price rigging have done well since |
| 12:09.35 | niwakame | ;) |
| 12:11.31 | ZogG_laptop | hmm 3.5 is not is still not in portage \ |
| 12:14.13 | niwakame | Dubstep / DnB Drops are everywhere nowadays, huh? |
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| 12:29.59 | m_ | "software problem dnsmasq too many reboots" what i must do |
| 12:30.11 | m_ | my n9 cannot booy |
| 12:31.16 | m_ | my n9 cannot boot i am upset any solution? |
| 12:32.33 | niwa|gaming | ~malf |
| 12:32.33 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, malf is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg |
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| 12:41.37 | dm8tbr | m_: that should be easy to fix |
| 12:42.00 | dm8tbr | m_: there is a guide on the meego wiki |
| 12:42.18 | dm8tbr | if you have >=pr1.2 your device will enter open mode though |
| 12:44.03 | heymaster-laptop | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236877-Qt-QML-ListView-Refresh-ListView :/ |
| 12:44.09 | heymaster-laptop | sorry for spamming :/ |
| 12:46.07 | heymaster-laptop | just simple problem to add new element to ListView . and it not works .. so sad :/ |
| 12:47.04 | heymaster-laptop | Maybe there are any examples how to make it correctly ? |
| 12:47.34 | faenil | guys, is there a safe way to get pr1.3 on n950? |
| 12:48.27 | ZogG_laptop | faenil: to go to Nokia, to get inside and leak the inside pr1.3 for n950 |
| 12:48.45 | faenil | ZogG_laptop, any doable alternative? |
| 12:49.26 | ZogG_laptop | faenil: there was solution to connect n9 repo, but you can't update everything as there is part that can brick device. jonni knows better |
| 12:49.36 | faenil | I see... |
| 12:49.44 | m_ | dm8tbr:can you give me document a dont have many time please |
| 12:52.14 | dm8tbr | m_: now I have to google it for you... |
| 12:52.40 | ZogG_laptop | ~flashing |
| 12:52.40 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 |
| 12:52.45 | ZogG_laptop | m_ ^ |
| 12:52.57 | dm8tbr | N9 malf meego wiki |
| 12:53.01 | dm8tbr | http://bit.ly/LDC9MK |
| 12:53.13 | dm8tbr | ZogG_laptop: slightly different |
| 12:53.43 | ZogG_laptop | dm8tbr: than we should add it to ~malf |
| 12:53.57 | ZogG_laptop | ~malf-fix is http://bit.ly/LDC9MK |
| 12:53.57 | infobot | okay, ZogG_laptop |
| 12:54.26 | niwa|gaming | ~malf-fix |
| 12:54.26 | infobot | malf-fix is, like, http://bit.ly/LDC9MK |
| 12:54.37 | niwa|gaming | ~malf-fix |
| 12:54.37 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, malf-fix is http://bit.ly/LDC9MK |
| 12:54.41 | niwa|gaming | ok that's random |
| 12:55.08 | dm8tbr | infobot: forget malf-fix |
| 12:55.08 | infobot | i forgot malf-fix, dm8tbr |
| 12:55.15 | dm8tbr | infobot: malf-fix is http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state |
| 12:55.16 | infobot | okay, dm8tbr |
| 13:00.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal flashing |
| 13:00.37 | infobot | "#harmattan flashing" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9" |
| 13:06.21 | niwa|gaming | ~pi |
| 13:06.22 | infobot | pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 13:07.08 | virtuald | ~tau |
| 13:07.08 | infobot | methinks tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter |
| 13:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys malf |
| 13:08.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal malf |
| 13:08.57 | infobot | "malf" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Aegis-kills-device.jpg" |
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| 13:10.43 | niwa|gaming | ~happyness |
| 13:10.57 | niwa|gaming | seems like the sad robot doesn't know about it :( |
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| 13:11.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys happy |
| 13:12.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~forget are you happy with the layout as it |
| 13:12.25 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: i forgot are you happy with the layout as it |
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| 13:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listkeys happy |
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| 13:48.38 | rzr | do you use dropbox ? |
| 13:48.56 | rzr | do you use dropbox ? please invite me rzr.dropbox@dfgh.net |
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| 14:00.30 | Oni^ | ~tau |
| 14:00.30 | infobot | from memory, tau is the difference between a velocity and c or the freaks' name for phi or a Greek letter |
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| 14:38.10 | MohammadAG | any Qt plugin users? |
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| 14:39.07 | kozzi | how to installed umplayer anhow to remove package installed with dpkg -i |
| 14:39.17 | MohammadAG | dpkg -r |
| 14:39.40 | kozzi | it complains that the package isnot installed |
| 14:39.53 | kozzi | eventhough I can see it with dpkg -l |
| 14:41.54 | kozzi | dpg: warning: ignoring request to remove umplayer-translation which isn't installed. |
| 14:42.17 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing it's not the full name cause it doesn't fit in terminal |
| 14:42.29 | MohammadAG | use a smaller font/ssh |
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| 14:44.51 | kozzi | MohammadAG: according to dpkg -l , it is just umplayer and umplayer-translation |
| 14:45.04 | MohammadAG | again, it doesn't fit in terminal's width |
| 14:45.13 | MohammadAG | try dpkg -r umplayer-translation* |
| 14:45.21 | MohammadAG | but I can't imagine how umplayer would work then |
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| 14:46.47 | kozzi | still same error with umplayer-translation* |
| 14:47.34 | kozzi | I want to remove umplayer and translation file, removing umplayer first will complain about dependancy of translation package |
| 14:48.22 | MohammadAG | apt-get remove umplayer |
| 14:48.58 | whatsa | kozzi, to see whole name add "|more" |
| 14:50.30 | kozzi | well should have tried apt-get first, it works now |
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| 14:52.01 | kozzi | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 14:52.17 | MohammadAG | you're welcome |
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| 14:52.31 | merlin1991 | btw if you really really want it gone, apt-get purge $package :D |
| 14:53.31 | MohammadAG | Qt's pissing me off really |
| 14:53.43 | MohammadAG | #qt is as dead as Elop's brain |
| 14:54.05 | MohammadAG | it's quite the most useless channel ever |
| 14:56.02 | kozzi | hehe its sunday |
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| 15:01.15 | MohammadAG | it's quite the most useless channel ever |
| 15:01.18 | MohammadAG | err |
| 15:01.25 | MohammadAG | up + enter in wrong window |
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| 15:44.02 | MohammadAG | Orientation lock in status menu http://i50.tinypic.com/2rd9gtf.jpg :P |
| 15:50.33 | azeem | btw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators? |
| 15:51.29 | rash_m2k | look like roggle only |
| 15:51.38 | rash_m2k | look like toggle only |
| 15:55.01 | virtuald | MohammadAG: i've been missing that <3 |
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| 16:41.27 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: awesome, is it system wide doesn't matter what app suppose to support? |
| 16:41.57 | ZogG_laptop | when i in bed it triggers landscape portatrait all the time i open new windows |
| 16:42.11 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: don't jpeg screenshots! :p |
| 16:42.18 | itsnotabigtruck | otherwise, nice |
| 16:42.27 | qwazix | rzr, ping |
| 16:42.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a shame that replacing system packages is such an issue due to the metapackage setup on harmattan |
| 16:43.11 | itsnotabigtruck | a LOT of people fucked up their phones by swapping out system-ui and then upgrading harmattan |
| 16:43.23 | itsnotabigtruck | a good chunk of that is my fault due to the way i did inception's aegis source |
| 16:43.41 | itsnotabigtruck | though it's a little bit late to change the way that works now |
| 16:43.41 | jonni | well people wouldnt have problems, if inception would use com.nokia.maemo as source |
| 16:44.14 | jonni | I'm always using com.nokia.maemo as source, just to avoid problems |
| 16:45.06 | itsnotabigtruck | well the original idea was to keep inception stuff nice and separate instead of commingling everything |
| 16:45.29 | itsnotabigtruck | since the user's inception packages are a conceptually different 'source' |
| 16:45.40 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, it causes trouble |
| 16:46.20 | rzr | qwazix, here i am like an hurricane |
| 16:46.36 | itsnotabigtruck | but then switching it to com.nokia.maemo would require ugly backward compatibility hacks for when the user upgrades |
| 16:47.22 | qwazix | rzr, hehe, I'm a bit stuck with git, (been using subversion @work and this distributed thing seems a bit complicated) |
| 16:47.41 | rzr | qwazix, i can help you out |
| 16:47.49 | qwazix | how do I do a merge? first checkout then merge? |
| 16:48.00 | rzr | git pull |
| 16:48.00 | rzr | git rebase |
| 16:48.01 | qwazix | won't checking out mess my working copy |
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| 16:48.15 | djszapi_ | ~update |
| 16:48.15 | infobot | somebody said update was http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 16:48.21 | qwazix | git pull http://github/url/here? |
| 16:48.36 | rzr | git pull gh/harmattan/rawcam ... |
| 16:48.41 | rzr | err |
| 16:48.50 | rzr | w8 |
| 16:49.02 | qwazix | ok |
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| 16:53.06 | rzr | qwazix, http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=cam&#rawcam_for_harmattan |
| 16:53.28 | itsnotabigtruck | btw is it possible, in an ash script, to establish a pipe, and write to the pipe, in two different steps |
| 16:53.49 | itsnotabigtruck | what i mean is, e.g. you want to pipe something into either command a or command b |
| 16:53.59 | rzr | i didnt know that was even possible using any shell |
| 16:54.00 | itsnotabigtruck | and you don't want to repeat 'something' |
| 16:54.10 | qwazix | thanks, will try it now |
| 16:54.19 | itsnotabigtruck | so you want to invoke either command a or command b, and hold on to its standard input |
| 16:54.25 | itsnotabigtruck | then attach something to that standard input in a second step |
| 16:54.27 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, can you write what u want in other lang ? |
| 16:54.41 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah but it's already an ash script |
| 16:54.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and the only scripting language choices on n9 are ash and perl |
| 16:54.57 | itsnotabigtruck | out of the box, that is |
| 16:55.02 | jonni | with perl you can most likely do it. |
| 16:55.04 | itsnotabigtruck | python doesn't count because it's not preinstalled |
| 16:55.15 | itsnotabigtruck | that kind of stuff can get pretty ugly with perl |
| 16:55.23 | itsnotabigtruck | invoking and piping processes, that is |
| 16:55.27 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas shells are made for that |
| 16:55.32 | rzr | but probally less than in ash :) |
| 16:55.35 | jonni | well everything in perl is ugly, but usually it works :) |
| 16:55.50 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: or python |
| 16:55.54 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: see above |
| 16:55.59 | qwazix | rzr, it complains that I should choose a branch in the pull step, which one should I pick? |
| 16:56.11 | djszapi_ | it does count |
| 16:56.23 | djszapi_ | like "KDE does not count since it is not preinstalled". |
| 16:56.38 | jonni | piping in perl is actually pretty handy |
| 16:56.49 | djszapi_ | jonni: not everything works in perl, ofc |
| 16:56.56 | rzr | qwazix, git branch -a |
| 16:56.59 | djszapi_ | see the dpkg wrapper :D :D |
| 16:57.16 | jonni | djszapi_: well it works, but you cannot make it secure :) |
| 16:57.24 | djszapi_ | qwazix: you are not in a branch? |
| 16:57.31 | djszapi_ | jonni: we did make it secure |
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| 16:57.40 | djszapi_ | by stuffing into binary with the tricky perl thingy |
| 16:57.42 | rzr | qwazix, git branch -a # it will tell you remote/team # thats the one to use |
| 16:57.53 | djszapi_ | but the thing is that, a bunch of things just does not work. |
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| 16:58.32 | jonni | djszapi_: but forgot that you can add debugger env variable even on binary thingy to run any custom command :) |
| 16:58.33 | qwazix | djszapi_, complete git noob here, I am in master in my fork and I am trying to merge rzr's changes (who has many branches) |
| 16:59.09 | djszapi_ | jonni: the binary creation was not ofc made against that |
| 16:59.18 | qwazix | rzr, git branch -a gives me my master, team master and several other (debian, upstream, pristine, user-rzr) |
| 16:59.19 | djszapi_ | it is like expecting orange being apple. :) |
| 16:59.24 | rzr | git can be a bit odd , but it's a today standard ... |
| 16:59.38 | rzr | qwazix, team/master is the one you want to merge |
| 16:59.44 | qwazix | ok |
| 16:59.46 | djszapi_ | rzr: it is not everywhere |
| 16:59.51 | djszapi_ | automotive prefers svn, still |
| 16:59.59 | djszapi_ | and most likely for many years further on. |
| 17:00.24 | djszapi_ | qwazix: use "git checkout -t remote/branch/source" |
| 17:01.34 | qwazix | I am thinking to switch to git @work too because svn messes up itself too frequently, and with web development where you add/remove dirs all the time it's a PITA, so I should learn git soon. This is a good chance for me |
| 17:01.35 | jonni | its pretty nice to see community improving the drive application :) |
| 17:02.02 | djszapi_ | qwazix: svn is okay. |
| 17:02.12 | djszapi_ | for dir add and removal |
| 17:02.27 | djszapi_ | its main advantage is not lying in helping with that |
| 17:03.07 | qwazix | djszapi_, only if you use it's own functions to do it. Once you just delete a folder, or copy another one with a .svn folder in it here comes hell |
| 17:03.28 | qwazix | also you can't push to your webserver, you have to log in and update |
| 17:03.32 | djszapi_ | well, we have been doing that for ages in KDE. |
| 17:03.32 | rzr | hg is easier to git i fell |
| 17:03.47 | djszapi_ | no real problems with that with such a large project as KDE |
| 17:03.53 | qwazix | git seems better for web to me but I'm not sure until I try |
| 17:04.17 | qwazix | djszapi_, I believe that svn is better suited for large projects |
| 17:04.31 | djszapi_ | qwazix: no, the factor is not that |
| 17:04.53 | qwazix | The only reason I went there in the beginning is that it was the only versioning system that allowed many projects in one repo |
| 17:05.11 | djszapi_ | that can be a pain, too |
| 17:05.14 | qwazix | as we didn't have a dedicated server, and I didn't want to set up a new repo for every little project |
| 17:05.25 | djszapi_ | for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally. |
| 17:06.18 | qwazix | now this is moot because we use a web based system to create new repos anyway. I'm using externals pretty heavily, what happened to them? |
| 17:06.37 | qwazix | I was thinking to try installing gitorious on my server... |
| 17:06.52 | rzr | djszapi_> for instance the last TortoiseSVN messed up the svn:external thingy totally. |
| 17:06.56 | rzr | I hate this crap |
| 17:07.24 | djszapi_ | qwazix: I would recommend not using the crappy gitorious |
| 17:07.31 | djszapi_ | that has been a nightmare for ages for most of the projects |
| 17:07.35 | djszapi_ | just use gitolite. |
| 17:07.35 | rzr | djszapi_, are u using tortoise w/ wine ? :) |
| 17:07.41 | djszapi_ | rzr: no |
| 17:07.44 | djszapi_ | why would I? |
| 17:07.48 | rzr | djszapi_, whats wrong w/ gitorious ? |
| 17:07.59 | djszapi_ | err... it is a full crap ? :D |
| 17:07.59 | rzr | djszapi_, i thought that one was windows only |
| 17:08.06 | djszapi_ | rzr: so what? |
| 17:08.18 | djszapi_ | many people use Windows even if it is surprising ... |
| 17:08.57 | rzr | so wine .. |
| 17:09.31 | qwazix | RabbitSVN is a nice tortoise alternative |
| 17:09.40 | djszapi_ | rzr: what wine ? You are confused. :) |
| 17:09.40 | itsnotabigtruck | git really sucks on windows, period |
| 17:09.43 | qwazix | but it used to slow down nautilus too much |
| 17:09.52 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: no, it does not |
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| 17:09.56 | itsnotabigtruck | because it's always been a *nix-only app from the start |
| 17:10.00 | itsnotabigtruck | even though there's (hackish) ports |
| 17:10.05 | djszapi_ | been working perfectly fine in very huge projects |
| 17:10.11 | djszapi_ | like Qt, KDE and the like. |
| 17:10.14 | itsnotabigtruck | hg is 100% cross platform thanks to python |
| 17:10.20 | itsnotabigtruck | but git gets all the hype |
| 17:10.23 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: huh? |
| 17:10.28 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, have u tested github client ? i didnt but it said to kick ass |
| 17:10.31 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: git is written in POSIX C. |
| 17:10.32 | qwazix | I can't checkout harmattan/rawcam/master. it says "fatal: A branch named 'master' already exists. |
| 17:10.32 | qwazix | " |
| 17:10.38 | itsnotabigtruck | posix c = not windows compatible |
| 17:10.44 | djszapi_ | please do not speak about something you have no idea about. |
| 17:10.45 | itsnotabigtruck | posix isn't the same thing as cross platform |
| 17:11.07 | djszapi_ | ah yeah, ofc, posix C has never been able to compile on Windows... |
| 17:11.08 | rzr | qwazix, im me or join #n950 |
| 17:11.11 | djszapi_ | how much the history lies... |
| 17:11.12 | itsnotabigtruck | and djszapi_: the same could be said of you |
| 17:11.19 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd appreciate it if you'd stop trying to constantly start shit |
| 17:11.22 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh |
| 17:11.34 | djszapi_ | qwazix: you missed the -t option? |
| 17:12.20 | qwazix | djszapi_, no |
| 17:13.02 | djszapi_ | qwazix: should work |
| 17:13.05 | djszapi_ | paste the output |
| 17:13.11 | djszapi_ | from prompt to prompt ofc |
| 17:13.52 | djszapi_ | Qt used svn for the Windows bits since git sucks :D |
| 17:13.55 | djszapi_ | made my day! :) |
| 17:16.09 | itsnotabigtruck | that github windows app definitely looks pretty snazzy |
| 17:17.18 | qwazix | djszapi_, thanks, rzr helped me in pm and I got past this |
| 17:18.12 | rzr | djszapi_, there is a secret channel for express request not related to ocaml :) |
| 17:18.49 | djszapi_ | rzr: well, you are welcome to join #please-package-ocaml-for-harmattan-as-soon-as-possible-thanks-smiley :o) |
| 17:24.53 | rzr | djszapi_, here it goes https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=dh-ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian |
| 17:25.47 | djszapi_ | rzr: ok, you can continue with the dependency I originally needed. |
| 17:25.57 | rzr | qwazix, do u know about hdr photography ? |
| 17:26.27 | rzr | djszapi_, thank you for granting me this precious right ... |
| 17:27.00 | djszapi_ | rzr: welcome :) |
| 17:27.06 | rzr | djszapi_, #pleaseReviewRedakIntoAFM ! |
| 17:27.08 | qwazix | rzr, not much, just that it combines the color range from 2 or more images to procuce an image not normally possible with one capture |
| 17:27.17 | djszapi_ | I dislike AFM |
| 17:27.34 | rzr | djszapi_, I disklike working for free on #ocaml :) |
| 17:27.43 | rzr | #enough #with #this |
| 17:29.00 | vladest | where is 1.3 for n950? |
| 17:29.31 | rzr | in nokiahq |
| 17:29.45 | rzr | we can give u a badge |
| 17:29.51 | rzr | and a gun |
| 17:31.54 | vladest | and a ticket and new identity |
| 17:32.13 | itsnotabigtruck | but not a license to kill |
| 17:32.43 | rzr | djszapi_, remind me you the lib you want ? |
| 17:32.55 | djszapi_ | rzr: no clue :) |
| 17:33.03 | rzr | the one in the 1st place not ocaml |
| 17:33.13 | rzr | djszapi_, well in that case the job is done :) |
| 17:33.30 | rzr | one of |
| 17:33.30 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1&unresolvable=1 |
| 17:33.33 | rzr | or |
| 17:33.33 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repo_harmattan=1&unresolvable=1 |
| 17:33.34 | djszapi_ | rzr: libindi |
| 17:33.47 | djszapi_ | http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kdeedu-kstars/ |
| 17:33.50 | djszapi_ | see the deps here. |
| 17:34.00 | djszapi_ | you recall that I was mentioning kstars |
| 17:35.22 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libindi&project=home%3Arzr%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=harmattan |
| 17:36.43 | qwazix | I think I've done it, my copy still works, I hope yours builds |
| 17:38.31 | djszapi_ | rzr: does not look successful |
| 17:40.04 | rzr | djszapi_, i am building ocaml again |
| 17:40.05 | rzr | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=kde&#meego |
| 17:40.18 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian&repository=harmattan |
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| 17:41.28 | qwazix | rzr, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85512&page=4 |
| 17:41.58 | qwazix | what happened, the guy installed the deb and also has the repo so it tried to update? |
| 17:43.26 | qwazix | and another question, if I push now any changes they will be pushed to harmattan/rawcam right? I'll have to rebase again to push to qwazix/rawcam? |
| 17:43.51 | djszapi_ | qwazix: depends on where you push it to |
| 17:44.22 | qwazix | arcean_, I've got exciting new features into rawcam. And I'm learning to use github :) |
| 17:44.25 | djszapi_ | rebase is only needed if there is a commit remotely |
| 17:44.31 | djszapi_ | that you do not have in place before pushing |
| 17:44.51 | qwazix | djszapi_, aha, that seems reasonable (and useful) |
| 17:45.07 | djszapi_ | well you can still use git pull without --rebase in that case |
| 17:45.16 | djszapi_ | but then there will be a merge commit, which makes not much sense |
| 17:49.58 | itsnotabigtruck | does anyone here still have pr1.1 installed |
| 17:51.02 | rzr | bbl |
| 17:57.05 | macmaN | jonni: you around still? perhaps you can point out to me what step i missed gett Dummy IAP to show up in selectable connection list |
| 17:57.12 | macmaN | getting* |
| 18:01.30 | qwazix | bye folks, movie time |
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| 18:02.11 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess silence means a no? |
| 18:02.13 | itsnotabigtruck | what about pr1.2 |
| 18:02.25 | itsnotabigtruck | macmaN ^ |
| 18:03.49 | macmaN | wdym? on n9? |
| 18:04.09 | itsnotabigtruck | macmaN: the firmware version |
| 18:04.13 | itsnotabigtruck | on either n9 or n950 |
| 18:04.23 | macmaN | yes i still have 1.2 on n950 |
| 18:05.01 | itsnotabigtruck | macmaN: have some time to test an updated inception |
| 18:05.19 | djszapi_ | edmondo ... like application for N9, guys? |
| 18:06.34 | macmaN | itsnotabigtruck: depends on how lengthy the process is. my weekend time is pretty much up :/ |
| 18:06.58 | macmaN | i havent even tried the original inception yet for lack of time :/ |
| 18:07.20 | macmaN | looks at the ground embarrassed |
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| 18:14.56 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone else have a phone running pr1.1 or pr1.2 |
| 18:15.16 | phako | I've 1.2 lying around |
| 18:15.39 | itsnotabigtruck | phako: have some time to test this? i'll pm you the url |
| 18:16.21 | phako | sorry, didn't read. not now, roughly in 1h |
| 18:19.20 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 18:19.27 | itsnotabigtruck | vladest: i assume you're still running pr1.2? |
| 18:19.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd have expected more people would be around at this hour :| |
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| 18:36.11 | rzr | back |
| 18:36.25 | rzr | djszapi_, it looks ocaml is doing fine |
| 18:36.31 | djszapi_ | rzr: and libindi? |
| 18:36.48 | rzr | dont skip the step |
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| 18:43.49 | louisdk | I've PR1.2beta2 on my N950, why? |
| 18:47.43 | louisdk | I have at strange issue with mail on N950 (PR1.2beta2). I've added my email account under accounts but when I open the mail app it still shows a grey screen with the text Setuo your email account. Any idea on why it doesn't show my mail account? It worked on my N9 PR1.2 and PR1.3. |
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| 18:49.41 | MohammadAG | <azeem> btw, are those switches below the toggle buttons, or just on/off indicators? |
| 18:50.02 | MohammadAG | your question confused me :p |
| 18:50.09 | MohammadAG | they're on/off indicators for the toggles |
| 18:51.55 | rzr | djszapi_, 10 |
| 18:51.57 | rzr | djszapi_, 9 |
| 18:52.00 | rzr | djszapi_, 8 |
| 18:52.09 | rzr | djszapi_, 7 |
| 18:52.13 | rzr | djszapi_, 6 |
| 18:52.21 | rzr | djszapi_, 5 |
| 18:52.43 | rzr | djszapi_, 4 |
| 18:53.00 | rzr | djszapi_, 3 |
| 18:53.26 | rzr | djszapi_, 2.42 |
| 18:54.33 | djszapi_ | rzr: you forgot the next number ? :p |
| 18:54.35 | rzr | djszapi_, 2 .. |
| 18:54.50 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.666 |
| 18:54.55 | djszapi_ | bye |
| 18:54.58 | djszapi_ | I will survive :d |
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| 18:56.08 | djszapi_ | :) |
| 18:56.50 | rzr | djszapi_, too late |
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| 18:57.02 | rzr | dpkg-deb: building package `ocaml-nox' in `../ocaml-nox_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'. |
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| 18:58.42 | vladest | itsnotabigtruck: yes |
| 18:58.53 | djszapi_ | rzr: great |
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| 18:59.08 | rzr | dpkg-deb: building package `ocaml' in `../ocaml_3.12.1-2_armel.deb'. |
| 19:00.07 | itsnotabigtruck | vladest louisdk: for some testing of a new backward compatible version of inception |
| 19:00.15 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.007 |
| 19:00.17 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.006 |
| 19:00.25 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.005 |
| 19:00.26 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.004 |
| 19:00.27 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.003 |
| 19:00.29 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.002 |
| 19:00.30 | rzr | djszapi_, 1.001 |
| 19:00.34 | rzr | djszapi_, 0.99999 |
| 19:00.37 | rzr | djszapi_, 0.99998 |
| 19:00.39 | rzr | djszapi_, 0.99997 |
| 19:00.51 | rzr | djszapi_, 0 ! here it is https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ocaml&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian |
| 19:01.08 | rzr | step 3 is building hevea |
| 19:02.38 | djszapi_ | k |
| 19:03.33 | rzr | btw are kdelibs ports stable on obs ? |
| 19:04.06 | djszapi_ | ofc |
| 19:04.44 | rzr | no obs i mean does they rebuild fine ? |
| 19:06.11 | djszapi_ | most likely not :D |
| 19:06.11 | rzr | hevea_1.10-13_all.deb |
| 19:07.21 | itsnotabigtruck | http://minus.com/m4LxrtJG0/ < if anyone interested would give this a try before i release it, thanks |
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| 19:14.03 | Venemo | hey |
| 19:14.10 | Venemo | is there a color picker component on Harmattan? |
| 19:16.48 | djszapi_ | sup Venemo |
| 19:17.04 | Venemo | hey djszapi_ :) |
| 19:17.07 | Venemo | djszapi_, I'm fine, thanks |
| 19:17.12 | Venemo | djszapi_, how are you? |
| 19:17.50 | djszapi_ | it is ok :) |
| 19:18.00 | djszapi_ | maintaining my new bike :p |
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| 19:19.14 | Venemo | djszapi_, you have a new bike? |
| 19:19.46 | djszapi_ | Venemo: yeah, I should become more fit and healthy than I am, so I decided to take up a sport. |
| 19:20.16 | azeem | MohammadAG: I wonder why you don't use colored-icon vs. greyed-out-icon as indicator? |
| 19:20.26 | Venemo | djszapi_, that's a very nice thing :) |
| 19:20.42 | azeem | or a red cross overlay for off |
| 19:21.46 | MohammadAG | Cause I'm no icon designer |
| 19:21.53 | MohammadAG | Cross overlay sounds interesting |
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| 19:25.38 | Venemo | thp, ping |
| 19:25.51 | Venemo | thp, how do you do the "get more apps" thing in Billboard? |
| 19:27.29 | Venemo | it somehow opens the nokia store showing the apps from thp |
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| 19:38.06 | thp | Venemo: simply open the web browser with the ovi store link - it will then open the store app |
| 19:38.49 | thp | Venemo: Qt.openUrlExternally('http://store.ovi.com/publisher/Thomas+Perl/') |
| 19:40.34 | Venemo | thp, hah, thank you :) |
| 19:41.26 | djszapi_ | beford: o/ |
| 19:41.42 | beford | hola djszapi_ ! |
| 19:41.56 | Venemo | thp, btw, could you add an option to billboard to only show the next upcoming calendar entry (only one, not more)? |
| 19:42.13 | djszapi_ | beford: do not suppose you have any boards, like panda, beagle and so forth that could be connected to Mac? |
| 19:42.30 | pa | sorry for bothering again, anyone aware of ping (the real one) packaged for harmattan? |
| 19:42.55 | azeem | ping (the real one) is what exactly? |
| 19:43.08 | pa | ping |
| 19:43.19 | pa | the tool for sending ICMP pings |
| 19:43.24 | azeem | there's ping on the N9 |
| 19:43.32 | pa | yes |
| 19:43.50 | pa | but it's not the same as you have on a debian or ubuntu or any other linux distribution |
| 19:44.04 | azeem | that doesn't mean the other would be the real one |
| 19:44.24 | djszapi_ | pa: what does this return: |
| 19:44.38 | djszapi_ | dpkg -S `which ping` |
| 19:45.14 | djszapi_ | azeem: it does not really matter which is the real. He would like to have the same as on his host. |
| 19:45.23 | pa | djszapi_, busybox-symlinks-iputils-ping: /bin/ping |
| 19:45.24 | azeem | I understand now |
| 19:45.30 | beford | djszapi_: nop, should get one, buy me one =) |
| 19:45.34 | djszapi_ | pa: right, as I thought |
| 19:45.37 | azeem | pa: what is missing in busybox' ping? |
| 19:45.45 | djszapi_ | it is provided by busybox, meanwhile the one on desktop by iputils |
| 19:45.54 | pa | i see |
| 19:46.03 | djszapi_ | azeem: busybox truncates a lot of things |
| 19:46.27 | azeem | there's also inetutils-ping, btw |
| 19:46.46 | pa | azeem, ,for example i cannot specify the payload |
| 19:47.00 | djszapi_ | pa: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=iputils&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 19:47.16 | pa | ah great! exactly what i asked for :) |
| 19:47.21 | pa | thank you so much! |
| 19:51.58 | thp | Venemo: i'll think about it :) |
| 19:53.02 | Venemo | thp, the regular setting shows more and it really spams the standby screen sometimes |
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| 19:57.06 | Venemo | thp, also, does it really consume more battery when I put a battery percentage in there? or I'm just imagining it? |
| 20:01.22 | ptl | ppl, where do you check power consumption when idle? |
| 20:01.37 | ptl | Do I have to install that battery app or is it from stock? |
| 20:03.57 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: just make it open url to it |
| 20:04.18 | ZogG_laptop | it would open ovi store as any store.ovi.com link triggers client |
| 20:04.35 | ZogG_laptop | ooop |
| 20:04.46 | ZogG_laptop | he already answered, i was scrolled up |
| 20:04.47 | Venemo | ptl, that battery app actually drains your battery fast. there was a blog post about why, but basically because it updated its icon, and that invoked tracker to index it every time. |
| 20:04.51 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, np :) |
| 20:04.54 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, how're you? |
| 20:05.04 | djszapi_ | Venemo: lol |
| 20:06.00 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: same shit different day |
| 20:06.16 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I see |
| 20:06.18 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: you? |
| 20:06.31 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I'm fine, just doing some catching up |
| 20:07.15 | Venemo | djszapi_, ptl, this is the article: http://pvanhoof.be/blog/index.php/2012/07/05/battery-drain-on-n9-caused-by-a-combination-of-battery-icon-tracker-and-smartsearch |
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| 20:15.17 | ptl | Venemo: I was talking about another battery app, not the one that continuously changes its .desktop file, lemme check here |
| 20:16.18 | ptl | I don't remember its name now, but it's something that collects info like android |
| 20:17.35 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, inception 0.2.5 is out |
| 20:18.04 | itsnotabigtruck | no major reason to upgrade if you're on pr1.2 or pr1.3, though there is a minor bug fix |
| 20:18.13 | itsnotabigtruck | but it now also works on pr1.0 and pr1.1, which 0.2 didn't |
| 20:18.20 | itsnotabigtruck | let me know if there are any problems |
| 20:19.03 | ptl | why would anyone still be in pr1.0 or pr1.1? |
| 20:21.26 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit, just realized my bug fix was actually a regression, heh |
| 20:22.41 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, rebuilding |
| 20:23.11 | itsnotabigtruck | ptl: at least one person was and asked me what was up |
| 20:23.34 | itsnotabigtruck | it was an n950 and the owner was either unaware of pr1.2beta or didn't want to flash it |
| 20:23.38 | itsnotabigtruck | but he's upgraded now i think |
| 20:23.59 | itsnotabigtruck | in any case, 0.1 worked on pr1.1 so 0.2 ought to as well |
| 20:25.07 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: is pr1.4 out already? |
| 20:25.13 | itsnotabigtruck | o.O |
| 20:25.28 | ZogG_laptop | =p |
| 20:26.33 | djszapi_ | wonders what is the best way to get internet on n9 with a usb 3G stick... |
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| 20:26.39 | djszapi_ | perhaps usb networking? |
| 20:26.42 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: sup |
| 20:26.47 | djszapi_ | Sir Nokia CEO :) |
| 20:27.13 | ajalkane | wadup djszapi_ |
| 20:27.31 | djszapi_ | nmu? |
| 20:27.39 | ajalkane | I'd also like to be knight |
| 20:28.05 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: put the sim card in the usb 3g stick in the n9? :p |
| 20:28.17 | itsnotabigtruck | the micro vs full size sim business might be a problem though |
| 20:28.49 | itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/inception_0.2.5_armel.deb < fixed version |
| 20:29.20 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: indeed, the sim is a full sim inside the vodafone stick. |
| 20:29.36 | djszapi_ | and my n9 accepts micro sim. |
| 20:29.52 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: but you could put it in one of your 950s |
| 20:29.52 | djszapi_ | if the stick can accept micro sim, I could cut it off though. |
| 20:30.01 | djszapi_ | itsnotabigtruck: not with me in Ireland. |
| 20:30.11 | djszapi_ | I have only an n900 and N9 with me. |
| 20:30.36 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: put in n900 and share internet with n9 =) |
| 20:31.31 | djszapi_ | actually if the N900 has a proper joikuspot like app, that would be great |
| 20:31.44 | djszapi_ | iow, mobile hotspot |
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| 20:32.21 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: i think it has |
| 20:33.37 | djszapi_ | darn, I should get a blackberry dev phone |
| 20:33.46 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: btw i have problems with virtual kbd on n950 and irc-chatter |
| 20:33.51 | djszapi_ | but I am in the middle of nowhere, and no chance to have any blackberry jam nearby. |
| 20:34.05 | jonni | yep, there is commercial joikuspot app for N900. |
| 20:34.13 | djszapi_ | jonni: free? |
| 20:34.18 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, jon #irc-chatter and tell me about it |
| 20:34.18 | ZogG_laptop | when i use normal keboard and than close it has space between chat and virtual keybord in portrait |
| 20:34.36 | jonni | djszapi_: free version was only http, and paid version was full. |
| 20:34.48 | ZogG_laptop | and sometimes virtual keyboard shows only iin portrait with black screen when i'm in landscape |
| 20:34.58 | djszapi_ | what do you mean by only "http" ? |
| 20:34.58 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, yes, that's probably a bug in the virtual keyboard |
| 20:35.24 | jonni | djszapi_: it only forwarded http protokol, so you ssh didnt work. |
| 20:35.49 | djszapi_ | jonni: unsure what you mean? |
| 20:35.52 | ajalkane | jonni: you sure, or is it only port 80 and not protocol sniffing? |
| 20:36.11 | djszapi_ | jonni: why would I ever need ssh for running a mobile hotspot application? |
| 20:36.24 | djszapi_ | and then connecting from somewhere else to that AP? |
| 20:37.09 | jonni | ie free version was cripled only to be 80/443. ie if you have laptop and use joikuspot as your inet AP, and you want to ssh from laptop to your ssh server, no go on free one. But if your laptop only uses http browser, then free one works. |
| 20:37.47 | djszapi_ | jonni: except that, if the server listens on 443 |
| 20:37.48 | djszapi_ | via ssh |
| 20:37.49 | tehdely | i just want someone to tweak the N9 one to do WPA |
| 20:37.56 | tehdely | because apparently the chipset supports infrastructure mode |
| 20:38.14 | tehdely | i'm tryinna remember if the N9 even does bluetooth DUN or not |
| 20:38.30 | jonni | djszapi_: that doesnt work either, free one only was http proxy, it didnt forward tcp/ip connections, so listening 443 would fail. |
| 20:38.38 | jonni | only the commercial one forwarded tcp/ip. |
| 20:39.04 | djszapi_ | jonni: sorry ? |
| 20:39.10 | djszapi_ | telnet server 443 worked ? |
| 20:39.14 | jonni | nope |
| 20:39.18 | djszapi_ | ok, I see... |
| 20:39.23 | djszapi_ | that is not too useful. |
| 20:39.36 | ptl | itsnotabigtruck: I forgot about the N950. Sorry. |
| 20:41.51 | ptl | In the N900 we had the 'phone control' page on naemo.org |
| 20:41.56 | ptl | what do we have for the N9? |
| 20:42.08 | djszapi_ | well, at any rate ... |
| 20:42.08 | pa | cool |
| 20:42.17 | pa | iputils-ping fucked up my n9 :) |
| 20:42.19 | djszapi_ | are there cool bicycle related apps for free for N9? |
| 20:42.27 | djszapi_ | pa: good job! |
| 20:42.29 | tehdely | i track my rides w/ sports-tracker |
| 20:42.33 | tehdely | dunno what ele there is really |
| 20:42.41 | pa | djszapi_, there will be soon :) |
| 20:42.43 | djszapi_ | tehdely: sadly, edmondo does not provide a client |
| 20:42.48 | tehdely | nor strava |
| 20:42.51 | tehdely | but that's what GPX export is for |
| 20:42.52 | djszapi_ | clicked on Nokia |
| 20:42.57 | djszapi_ | and they have sent me a Symbian link. |
| 20:43.00 | tehdely | only disappointment w/ sports-tracker is you can't export straight from the N9 |
| 20:43.01 | ptl | there was a very good app for the N900, it was not ported to the N9 |
| 20:43.03 | tehdely | like you can on symbian |
| 20:43.04 | ajalkane | djszapi_: Off the top of my head, "Alkoon" application shows where to direct bike to get some vodka. |
| 20:43.14 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: rotfl |
| 20:43.42 | djszapi_ | tehdely: not even from command line? |
| 20:43.53 | tehdely | if you can, it ain't documented anywhere |
| 20:43.54 | djszapi_ | like with the contact list |
| 20:43.59 | tehdely | you can grab the .dat files |
| 20:44.00 | djszapi_ | you can use the vcard hack |
| 20:44.07 | tehdely | but you need something to convert to gpx |
| 20:44.21 | tehdely | the symbian sports-tracker will export gpx straight out of the app. but on n9 you have to sync w/ their cloud service, and download gpx from the website |
| 20:44.21 | djszapi_ | isn't that done by a third-party application? |
| 20:44.22 | tehdely | not as convenient |
| 20:44.35 | djszapi_ | oh btw, edmondo does not provide a version for Fremantle either |
| 20:44.36 | tehdely | i tried using gpsbabel and it didn't recognize the format |
| 20:44.36 | ptl | gpsbabel does not? |
| 20:44.47 | ptl | ah |
| 20:45.03 | tehdely | this burned me last weekend when they had their 3-day long outage or w/e |
| 20:45.05 | tehdely | they were down for quite a while |
| 20:45.15 | tehdely | i even grabbed the .dat files, put em on a symbian phone i had, and tried to export from there |
| 20:45.19 | tehdely | but sports-tracker wouldn't recognize the files |
| 20:45.26 | tehdely | guess there's at least a slight difference in format between the symbian and meego versions |
| 20:45.26 | tehdely | alas |
| 20:45.32 | pa | djszapi_, what do you need , other than gps? |
| 20:45.37 | pa | (in the app) |
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| 20:46.03 | djszapi_ | tehdely: wow: http://store.ovi.com/content/3669?clickSource=search&pos=1 |
| 20:46.11 | djszapi_ | pa: do you know edmondo? |
| 20:46.20 | pa | no, only sportstracker |
| 20:46.25 | pa | i check edmondo |
| 20:46.31 | djszapi_ | "Turn your mobile into a personal coach!" |
| 20:46.40 | djszapi_ | the keyword is _coach_ |
| 20:46.49 | djszapi_ | so it is not only about gps |
| 20:47.01 | tehdely | yes it's like a personal jerry sandusky |
| 20:47.07 | pa | i am currently supporting polar HRM |
| 20:47.13 | pa | the bluetooth belt |
| 20:47.16 | tehdely | nice |
| 20:47.20 | pa | and i want to add the gps |
| 20:47.27 | pa | something else? |
| 20:47.28 | ptl | I also have a bluetooth belt from zephyr |
| 20:47.28 | tehdely | will your app do direct gpx export |
| 20:47.30 | ptl | very nice indeed |
| 20:47.39 | pa | i want to export, yeah |
| 20:47.41 | tehdely | if so i will use the hell out of it and give you lots of feedback |
| 20:47.42 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: no app for harmattan |
| 20:48.25 | pa | but what would be great is a way to disable the light sensor of harmattan |
| 20:48.30 | pa | so that i can have the screen always on |
| 20:48.37 | pa | lowest brightness |
| 20:48.48 | pa | and i can control the light sensor so that if i cover it, it gets brighter |
| 20:49.19 | djszapi_ | oh this flight-tracker also looks interesting |
| 20:50.02 | djszapi_ | tehdely: 4658 reviews wow !! |
| 20:50.06 | djszapi_ | http://store.ovi.com/content/31721?clickSource=search&pos=2 |
| 20:50.24 | ptl | The N9 has incredibly good apps |
| 20:50.31 | ptl | In my Android I tested about 5 cinema apps |
| 20:50.46 | ptl | and none of them were as good as my current N9 cinema app |
| 20:50.48 | pa | Is that for harmattan? |
| 20:50.54 | ptl | yes |
| 20:51.00 | pa | i mean flight-tracker |
| 20:51.02 | ptl | ah |
| 20:51.22 | djszapi_ | pa: yep |
| 20:51.28 | djszapi_ | I fly every month, almost |
| 20:51.36 | tehdely | i'm exclusively amtrak |
| 20:51.43 | tehdely | i should suggest they make a harmattan app ;) |
| 20:51.47 | pa | djszapi_, on the store it doesnt look like |
| 20:52.07 | ptl | "Sorry, this item is not available for the Nokia N9" |
| 20:52.08 | djszapi_ | pa: then perhaps not |
| 20:52.08 | ptl | :( |
| 20:52.21 | djszapi_ | I have not actually checked |
| 20:52.24 | ajalkane | Well there's this one, maybe it's similar (Crazy Flight) http://store.ovi.com/content/230756?clickSource=search&pos=10 |
| 20:52.25 | djszapi_ | I thought it would be available |
| 20:52.34 | pa | good |
| 20:52.44 | pa | so i continue with my meeTrainer |
| 20:52.48 | pa | :) |
| 20:52.59 | tehdely | pa: let me know how that goes |
| 20:53.00 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: I dislike that |
| 20:53.01 | tehdely | i am interested |
| 20:53.06 | djszapi_ | that app has no nonsense reviews. it is not fun :) |
| 20:53.09 | pa | by the way, how can i safely install iputils-ping, since it conflicts with busybox-somethin? |
| 20:53.12 | pa | tehdely, sure |
| 20:53.24 | djszapi_ | pa into /opt ? |
| 20:53.26 | ajalkane | djszapi_: ah... your nonsense ovi review app is ready? |
| 20:53.27 | ptl | make a path under ~developer/bin |
| 20:53.37 | ptl | modify PATH to use that path first |
| 20:53.38 | pa | hm but how? unpack byhand you mean? |
| 20:53.42 | ptl | and extract the binary you want there |
| 20:53.43 | pa | i could, yeah |
| 20:53.46 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: nah, I was busy with this crazy thingie called Qt5 |
| 20:53.53 | pa | but what about aegis then? |
| 20:53.54 | ptl | that's what I did with core utils and such |
| 20:54.08 | ptl | oh, it will be under ~developer/bin, aegis doesn't care |
| 20:54.18 | ptl | it only cares about root stuff |
| 20:54.33 | ptl | dpkg-deb -x package destination |
| 20:54.39 | ajalkane | aww yeah... I gots a bit more motivation for the crazy Qt5 thingies as it'll be used in Jolla's phone. Doesn't seem such a waste on mobile now. |
| 20:54.43 | ptl | extract the package on destionation without installing it |
| 20:54.59 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: I see Jolla as a big waste tbh. |
| 20:55.13 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: ? |
| 20:55.16 | pa | thanks, let me try :) so you say i should create a user "developer"? |
| 20:55.17 | ajalkane | djszapi_: you'll change your tune in 1 year |
| 20:55.18 | pa | or..? |
| 20:55.37 | ptl | huh? |
| 20:55.45 | ptl | sorry, I thought you enabled developer mode in your N9 |
| 20:55.48 | djszapi_ | pa: there is such a user by default |
| 20:55.53 | ptl | thought everyone here had |
| 20:56.08 | pa | i did |
| 20:56.10 | pa | wait |
| 20:56.10 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: huh ? |
| 20:56.27 | ajalkane | djszapi_: that's my prediction. We'll see within 1 year if I was right :) |
| 20:56.31 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: my tune is the d3fault Nokia one, and I am happy with that. |
| 20:56.43 | ajalkane | It'll be Jolla tune in one year lol |
| 20:56.47 | djszapi_ | :))) |
| 20:56.56 | djszapi_ | no, thanks. |
| 20:57.00 | pa | i have dev mode on, but i cant see /home/developer |
| 20:57.16 | ptl | ajalkane: next yeat I'll buy either Ubuntu phone or Jolla's phone, whiched is the geekest. I don't care much for apps, I care for letting me compiling my own easily. |
| 20:57.24 | tehdely | pa: to get /home/developer you have to open the sdk connect tool at least one time |
| 20:57.27 | djszapi_ | ptl: or blackberry |
| 20:57.28 | ptl | *whichever is the geekest |
| 20:57.34 | pa | ah right |
| 20:57.34 | ajalkane | pa: you think Ubuntu phone will be out next year? |
| 20:57.35 | ptl | blackberry is not geek |
| 20:57.41 | pa | never did :) |
| 20:57.45 | djszapi_ | ptl: it is? |
| 20:57.53 | ajalkane | I meant pt1 |
| 20:58.05 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: canonical is much smaller than the initiative from Jolla, we all know, right ... |
| 20:58.07 | ptl | djszapi_: ok, it might be geek, but not Unix-like geek |
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| 20:58.13 | djszapi_ | ptl: huh ? |
| 20:58.19 | ptl | ajalkane: I do think |
| 20:58.20 | djszapi_ | ptl: qnx is very similar to unix... |
| 20:58.26 | ptl | djszapi_: blackberry |
| 20:58.51 | ptl | djszapi_: I understand, but Android is also 'very similar to unix' in the kernel, but it has no dbus, no pulseaudio, no upstart etc. |
| 20:59.00 | ajalkane | ptl: what makes you think that? From what I've understood it'll take a couple of years still, but I haven't heard anything concrete |
| 20:59.07 | ptl | djszapi_: I work as unix admin and I like a phone that behaves like an Unix server. |
| 20:59.12 | djszapi_ | ptl: I dislike upstart, pulseaudio |
| 20:59.37 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: why speculate? |
| 20:59.51 | djszapi_ | clearly, people knowing anything concrete will not speak anyways |
| 20:59.58 | tehdely | ptl: same and same |
| 21:00.04 | ajalkane | djszapi_: I own Canonical shares, so speculating might make me some big bucks. |
| 21:00.05 | ptl | ajalkane: Ubuntu for Android is almost in production. If a whole ubuntu system that can even run android apps is about to be released, I think it will not be much more before you can use these same phones to use ubuntu only. It that is possible in a phone that has ubuntu for android I'll adopt it |
| 21:00.08 | tehdely | it is nice to have a phone that's actually gnu/linux under the hood |
| 21:00.17 | tehdely | not just a linux kernel and the world's slowest JVM ;) |
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| 21:00.32 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: or bankrupt :D |
| 21:00.43 | ptl | djszapi_: I understand that they can have some mistake of projects, but nevertheless they add a nice layer of flexibility to the phone |
| 21:00.47 | tehdely | ubuntu for android is, i admit, promising |
| 21:00.59 | tehdely | it's the first thing that ever made me pay attention to android as something i might possibly one day use |
| 21:01.07 | tehdely | instead of as an example of how not to build a useable OS |
| 21:01.12 | djszapi_ | ptl: qnx adds way more flexibility than the linux kernel |
| 21:01.20 | ajalkane | ptl: ok, I don't know much about Ubuntu on android so I might be full of shit... But I think that's totally different than the "Ubuntu phone". |
| 21:01.23 | djszapi_ | just a random example: drivers are developed in userspace. |
| 21:01.45 | tehdely | djszapi_: i thought torvalds/tanenbaum finished off this debate 15 years ago ;) |
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| 21:01.52 | ptl | ajalkane: either way, I will evaluate whatever is in the market at that time. :-) |
| 21:02.00 | djszapi_ | tehdely: huh ? |
| 21:02.12 | tehdely | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanenbaum–Torvalds_debate |
| 21:02.15 | tehdely | microkernel vs. monolithic |
| 21:02.15 | djszapi_ | tehdely: it is not a debate, it is a fact, yes still a fact nowadays like 15 years ago |
| 21:02.30 | ptl | I don't think it's settled |
| 21:02.37 | ptl | I'd consider it still a debate |
| 21:02.41 | tehdely | someone needs to make a phone running the HURD :D |
| 21:02.45 | ajalkane | ptl: true that sir, same for me. Before the Jolla business I was prepared to wait 5 years using N9 until Ubuntu phone or something else excitement worthy comes out ;) |
| 21:02.50 | djszapi_ | ptl: it is a fact that drivers are developed in user space |
| 21:02.54 | djszapi_ | if you say it is not, you lie. |
| 21:03.24 | tehdely | yes it is a "fact" |
| 21:03.28 | tehdely | but how much actual flexibility does it really buy |
| 21:03.37 | tehdely | ok, they're developed in user space instead of being kernel loadable modules |
| 21:03.38 | djszapi_ | a lot |
| 21:03.43 | tehdely | bfd... what has that actually changed |
| 21:03.52 | djszapi_ | the development time? |
| 21:03.55 | djszapi_ | and clear separation? |
| 21:04.05 | djszapi_ | clearly separated layers? |
| 21:04.07 | tehdely | then bb10 should be ahead of schedule ;) |
| 21:04.08 | djszapi_ | better maintainability? |
| 21:04.09 | djszapi_ | etc |
| 21:04.34 | djszapi_ | well, I have not been a sysadmin, but developed kernel drivers for years for both kernels. |
| 21:04.40 | ptl | I don't doubt QNX technical excellence |
| 21:04.52 | ptl | neither I will engage in this decades-old debate |
| 21:05.05 | ptl | I just want something more Unix-like and flexible for my own needs. |
| 21:05.05 | djszapi_ | there is no "debate" for me. |
| 21:05.14 | ptl | Which are, admittedly, very different from common people. |
| 21:05.27 | tehdely | ptl: and for us there is N9, and some day hopefully soon, Jolla |
| 21:05.28 | djszapi_ | well, depends |
| 21:05.28 | ptl | ok, it's not a debate for you, I got it |
| 21:05.36 | djszapi_ | Linux was the "common" in Finland I guess :D |
| 21:05.38 | ptl | tehdely: yes, that's it |
| 21:05.54 | tehdely | i am not abandoning nokia, mind you. when they ship a windows 8 phone w/ pureview sensor that will be my next 'pleasure' phone |
| 21:05.59 | tehdely | but my next 'business' phone will prly be jolla |
| 21:06.13 | djszapi_ | I do not give a cent to Jolla. |
| 21:06.22 | tehdely | how about a bitcoin |
| 21:06.25 | djszapi_ | it is based on Mer done by few people in leisure time |
| 21:06.31 | tehdely | well let's see if they can ship |
| 21:06.31 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: they don't want your software ? |
| 21:06.32 | Venemo | lol. |
| 21:06.36 | djszapi_ | way more resource at Canonical or RIM |
| 21:06.58 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: actually Mer guys works with them together =) |
| 21:07.04 | tehdely | are there any jolla ppl in this channel btw? |
| 21:07.45 | ZogG_laptop | tehdely: yes |
| 21:07.48 | ZogG_laptop | not me |
| 21:07.59 | tehdely | djszapi_: bb10 is promising, but i also need to see them ship |
| 21:08.04 | djszapi_ | I doubt few enthusiast and skilled guy can take up the competition with Canonical or RIM. |
| 21:08.11 | tehdely | at least i would be switching from one arrogant, imperious company to another arrogant, imperious company |
| 21:08.15 | djszapi_ | tehdely: well, many people have dev phones, already. |
| 21:08.16 | tehdely | and frankly i do think i like the abuse |
| 21:08.18 | ptl | I don't care about brands, I care about being able to order my phone to do what I want to do. Nokia, Jolla, Canonical to me are just fantasy names... |
| 21:08.21 | djszapi_ | guys* |
| 21:08.40 | tehdely | my customer relationship w/ nokia is very abusive and goes through the known cycles of tension, abuse, and reconciliation |
| 21:08.42 | tehdely | i think i like it |
| 21:08.47 | ptl | lol |
| 21:08.48 | tehdely | i can only switch to a similarly abusive company |
| 21:08.57 | ptl | hatred & love |
| 21:09.03 | tehdely | nokia hits me cause they love me |
| 21:09.41 | tehdely | anyhow i am just chatting here to put off work |
| 21:09.57 | tehdely | i was just assigned to the jury on a 4-6 week trial and i'm the only sysadmin at my office |
| 21:10.09 | tehdely | so they need me to do tons of documentation and fix a lot of stuff in the backlog, since i'll be unavail 4 days a week |
| 21:10.12 | tehdely | have not made much progress :P |
| 21:10.37 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: that' why we need to support those |
| 21:10.41 | djszapi_ | tehdely: so you are also biking daily? |
| 21:10.41 | ptl | samehere,I've got tasks to do. I am logged in to my work intranet |
| 21:10.45 | ptl | but I lack the motivation |
| 21:10.50 | djszapi_ | ZogG_laptop: no, thanks. |
| 21:10.51 | tehdely | djszapi_: i was until thursday |
| 21:10.57 | tehdely | when i fell off the damn thing and tore something in my shoulder |
| 21:11.03 | tehdely | i'll be back in the saddle in a week or so, orthopedist permitting... |
| 21:11.31 | djszapi_ | tehdely: ouch, I wish the best, dude. |
| 21:11.38 | tehdely | ha, thanks. |
| 21:11.50 | tehdely | i haven't gotten MRIed yet so it's possible it's just really bad bruising, but i'm taking it easy |
| 21:11.55 | tehdely | it's actually a good thing i'll be sitting in a jury box 4 days a week |
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| 21:12.47 | tehdely | & |
| 21:12.55 | ajalkane | I hope it's some patent troll you're delivering some justice unto. |
| 21:14.05 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: you are not biking, but drinking daily, right lol |
| 21:15.50 | ajalkane | djszapi_: I wish. Actually I was biking today, god save me. |
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| 21:18.07 | djszapi_ | oh, I have almost 30k downloads |
| 21:19.45 | ZogG_laptop | i only have 709 ownloads |
| 21:21.08 | ajalkane | hmm really? What's thy application? I'll put it to 710 downloads like a boss. |
| 21:21.21 | ZogG_laptop | ajalkane: imgrup |
| 21:21.57 | rzr | djszapi_, here it is |
| 21:21.58 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=libindi&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 21:22.05 | rzr | libindi |
| 21:22.10 | djszapi_ | rzr: I was wrong, I do not need those packages in fact |
| 21:22.13 | djszapi_ | hides |
| 21:22.25 | rzr | are you joking |
| 21:22.26 | rzr | >? |
| 21:22.30 | ajalkane | ZogG_laptop: Challenge accepted, mission accomplished. |
| 21:22.36 | djszapi_ | rzr: yes :D |
| 21:22.44 | qwazix | djszapi_, what app |
| 21:22.46 | rzr | djszapi_, anyway well you owe me a vote http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.1/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ |
| 21:22.56 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: btw can you build libs for xmms2. i want to make remote client |
| 21:22.59 | rzr | djszapi_, please fill the Community QA form on this page |
| 21:23.00 | djszapi_ | rzr: I do not vote ever |
| 21:23.12 | rzr | djszapi_, ok then i discard my files |
| 21:23.23 | djszapi_ | rzr: you can, I backed them up already :p |
| 21:23.32 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: it is still in twsting? |
| 21:23.43 | djszapi_ | qwazix: kde-edu apps |
| 21:23.46 | djszapi_ | kanagram and khangman |
| 21:24.05 | djszapi_ | the crapreview-reader is not done yet |
| 21:24.05 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: mine too, as my friend voted without setting first option to "V" |
| 21:24.45 | pa | sorry for the lame question, what aegis capa do i need to write to /sys/devices/omapdss/display0/backlight/display0/brightness ? |
| 21:25.07 | qwazix | djszapi_, apps4meego? |
| 21:25.19 | djszapi_ | pa: check syslog |
| 21:25.37 | djszapi_ | qwazix: no, thanks. |
| 21:25.52 | qwazix | then where? |
| 21:26.00 | qwazix | desktop? |
| 21:26.06 | djszapi_ | qwazix: it might sound weird, but I have put them into Ovi. |
| 21:26.09 | pa | checked, i see no error when i try to do that |
| 21:26.13 | jonni | pa: UID::root, so no aegis capa needed, unless you count root as aegis capa |
| 21:26.20 | rzr | ZogG, i'll need some help for xmms |
| 21:26.20 | djszapi_ | pa: if there are no errors, what is the problem ? |
| 21:26.26 | qwazix | djszapi_, why weird? |
| 21:26.37 | djszapi_ | qwazix: I was sarcastic... |
| 21:26.45 | djszapi_ | did not think, it is not the default concept for apps... |
| 21:26.50 | djszapi_ | on Harmattan... |
| 21:26.56 | pa | jonni, thats true, but someone here told me that i dont really need to be root, it's enough having a capability |
| 21:27.02 | djszapi_ | for certain people.. |
| 21:27.09 | qwazix | generally it is but around here ovi gets a bit of bashing |
| 21:27.26 | pa | jonni, otherwise, the problem is that at every phone reboot the permissions of that file get resetted |
| 21:27.32 | djszapi_ | pa: again, what is the error message? |
| 21:27.41 | qwazix | (and if you ask me, I would prefer a community driven app repo. Ovi might go away any day) |
| 21:27.44 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: cap::dac_override lets you write to anything anywhere |
| 21:27.57 | itsnotabigtruck | but in general aegis doesn't deal with file permissions |
| 21:28.10 | jonni | pa: resetted? permissions are alwasy root:root rw-r-r. or are you fucking with the file permissions? |
| 21:28.12 | djszapi_ | qwazix: afm did not come here any day |
| 21:28.20 | itsnotabigtruck | your app just needs to have the right user and groups to satisfy the permission (dac) checks |
| 21:28.22 | djszapi_ | qwazix: it is a toy stuff |
| 21:28.28 | itsnotabigtruck | the normal linux ones that is |
| 21:28.35 | djszapi_ | sys is set up on boot |
| 21:28.37 | pa | djszapi_, permission denied |
| 21:28.50 | djszapi_ | pa for what operation? |
| 21:28.55 | qwazix | djszapi_, now you're one download closer to the 30K mark :) |
| 21:28.55 | pa | jonni, i changed them from root |
| 21:29.05 | djszapi_ | qwazix: :) |
| 21:29.06 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: a file write, like he already asked |
| 21:29.10 | pa | but if i reboot, the rw r r is resetted |
| 21:29.30 | jonni | pa: so your changed it so that system cannot access it, so are you trying to break that system cannot change brigthess? |
| 21:29.31 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, ah great, i try thanks! |
| 21:29.32 | djszapi_ | pa: well, it is usual |
| 21:29.33 | djszapi_ | sysfs is set up on boot |
| 21:29.40 | djszapi_ | pa: so what are you trying to do? |
| 21:29.41 | djszapi_ | exactly |
| 21:29.48 | djszapi_ | for which you are getting the permission denied |
| 21:29.52 | pa | i am trying to write to that file from normal user |
| 21:29.59 | pa | i thought it was simple :)ù |
| 21:30.04 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: run your app as root, but if it's a gui app, then it won't start |
| 21:30.11 | pa | indeed |
| 21:30.23 | itsnotabigtruck | one approach you could use is put policy="set setxid" in your aegis request |
| 21:30.24 | pa | cap::dac_override you tell me does the trick? |
| 21:30.36 | itsnotabigtruck | along with <credential name="UID::root" /> |
| 21:30.56 | itsnotabigtruck | then when your app starts, you immediately use setreuid to switch the UIDs |
| 21:31.01 | djszapi_ | pa: you cannot request dac override |
| 21:31.02 | itsnotabigtruck | which makes your app run as user |
| 21:31.10 | djszapi_ | why would you even ever try that? |
| 21:31.23 | pa | i just need to change the brightness from my app |
| 21:31.26 | pa | nothing more than that |
| 21:31.35 | djszapi_ | so run a script from your user app |
| 21:31.37 | jonni | pa: then just use UID::root |
| 21:31.40 | itsnotabigtruck | then, when you need to modify the brightness |
| 21:31.44 | djszapi_ | with root privileges |
| 21:31.47 | djszapi_ | for that |
| 21:31.57 | djszapi_ | next! |
| 21:32.24 | itsnotabigtruck | exchange the UIDs again and do the right |
| 21:32.26 | itsnotabigtruck | *write |
| 21:32.31 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: see above |
| 21:32.52 | pa | yes im trying to glue the steps and understand :) |
| 21:33.33 | djszapi_ | pa: just use a one liner script |
| 21:33.36 | djszapi_ | with root privileges |
| 21:34.18 | pa | you mean a compiled exe? or can i have a script owned by root in my .deb? |
| 21:34.30 | rzr | djszapi_ or anyone can you please fill the Community QA form on this page |
| 21:34.31 | rzr | http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.1/harmattan/Utilities/redak/ |
| 21:34.33 | djszapi_ | it does not really matter who owns that |
| 21:34.41 | djszapi_ | you can grant UID::root for that as jonni said |
| 21:34.48 | rzr | it just needs one review |
| 21:34.56 | djszapi_ | and you can run that one liner script with system, QProcess what not |
| 21:35.06 | djszapi_ | pa: does not need to be executable, no. |
| 21:35.27 | djszapi_ | rzr: I do not use redak, so cannot |
| 21:36.34 | ajalkane | http://imgur.com/rhmIm |
| 21:36.41 | jonni | pa: int olduid=getuid();setuid(0);system("echo number > file);setuid(olduid); # simplified |
| 21:36.55 | rzr | djszapi_, u can make a lil effort too :) |
| 21:37.00 | djszapi_ | ah yeah, jonni is right |
| 21:37.07 | djszapi_ | you do not even need a separate script for this |
| 21:37.10 | djszapi_ | since it is just an echo |
| 21:37.49 | djszapi_ | though, I dislike setuid/getuid |
| 21:37.53 | djszapi_ | so I would still go for a script |
| 21:38.07 | djszapi_ | nobody knows if those keep granted with an update |
| 21:38.18 | djszapi_ | manifest file will be working fine further on. |
| 21:38.18 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: though don't EVER do system("stuff") like that |
| 21:38.25 | djszapi_ | also, not sure it worked with each update either. |
| 21:38.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, except in specific situations maybe |
| 21:38.31 | djszapi_ | manifest file seems a more robust way |
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| 21:39.11 | djszapi_ | rzr: no, I cannot atm. |
| 21:39.16 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: doing a set(re)uid doesn't require setuid access if the uid you're setting is the real or effective |
| 21:39.19 | djszapi_ | I need to make "little effort"s for others. |
| 21:39.34 | itsnotabigtruck | by using the setxid policy mode, you retain the user uid as the real uid and root as the effective uid |
| 21:39.39 | pa | ok i think i got it now :) |
| 21:39.42 | pa | let me try |
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| 21:40.01 | itsnotabigtruck | that way you can use setreuid to interchange the uids and gain/drop access when needed |
| 21:40.20 | itsnotabigtruck | however, it's important in that case that the app be launched as user, not root |
| 21:40.25 | djszapi_ | it is a hack |
| 21:40.32 | djszapi_ | the aegis-way is the manifest |
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| 21:40.47 | djszapi_ | and I am unsure if it is gonna work this way with all the releases. |
| 21:40.58 | itsnotabigtruck | what i'm saying is the aegis way |
| 21:41.00 | itsnotabigtruck | and it works with all releases |
| 21:41.03 | djszapi_ | forbids and permits came and went. |
| 21:41.10 | djszapi_ | the manifest way was always the same. |
| 21:41.18 | djszapi_ | no, it is not. |
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| 21:41.35 | djszapi_ | the interface is manifest for getting distinct uids. |
| 21:41.38 | itsnotabigtruck | the setuid behavior i'm talking about applies to all linux kernels and is outside of aegis' purview |
| 21:41.55 | djszapi_ | nvm |
| 21:42.02 | djszapi_ | you will know better this than how we designed :) |
| 21:42.08 | qwazix_ | my computer has gone mad... first it freezes and needs reboot, then xchat crashes when I try to join #maemo... |
| 21:42.11 | qwazix_ | strange... |
| 21:42.18 | djszapi_ | (just as usual) |
| 21:43.55 | ajalkane | anyone know why the applauncherd priviledge escalation still works with PR1.3? Did Nokia decide that fixing it would cripple too many useful applications and let it stay? |
| 21:44.16 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: 1.3 is a toy release. |
| 21:44.27 | djszapi_ | we had 1-2 bugs to work on? |
| 21:44.37 | djszapi_ | since it is a very core part of the system |
| 21:44.51 | djszapi_ | any bigger changes would have gone haywire and full of regressions. |
| 21:45.53 | ajalkane | djszapi_: so it was not fixed because it could have caused big regressions, and there was no interest in using much funds on this? |
| 21:46.17 | djszapi_ | ajalkane: you do realize Harmattan was killed one and half a years ago soon |
| 21:46.35 | djszapi_ | by PR1.3 we hardly had people working. |
| 21:46.49 | djszapi_ | no architect, whatsoever. |
| 21:47.13 | djszapi_ | no lead developers, etc for obvious reasons. |
| 21:47.16 | ajalkane | Of course... but I'm still interested if there's any reasons behind leaving such bugs unfixed |
| 21:47.28 | djszapi_ | manpower leak, risk, etc? |
| 21:47.29 | ajalkane | Because obviously there's been development |
| 21:47.36 | djszapi_ | Aren't those beating themselves enough? |
| 21:47.57 | ajalkane | Sure they're good enough reasons |
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| 21:48.36 | djszapi_ | pa: so if you wanna play nice with the aegis design, you request those via the manifest |
| 21:48.48 | djszapi_ | if you do not care about it can break anytime, go ahead with inline code stuff |
| 21:48.58 | djszapi_ | for these things with aegis in place, the manifest was designed for interface. |
| 21:49.23 | djszapi_ | we do not take guarantee for anything lower-level, just like the undocumented qt macros, features etc. |
| 21:50.34 | djszapi_ | though, we did not probably break anything underneath, but I do not know, if that was always the case. |
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| 21:51.32 | djszapi_ | not to mention, there is a C API for all this. |
| 21:51.44 | djszapi_ | system, QProcess are very hackish for this |
| 21:51.51 | djszapi_ | I would rather use QFile with open, write, close |
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| 21:54.49 | djszapi_ | rzr: is the redak a cool stuff? |
| 21:55.23 | pa | so, what i did is: modify the aegis this way: http://codepad.org/31uysN10 ; then having a "setuid(29999);" as first instruction in the main(), then having a setuid(0); //my system echo stuff; setuid(29999); when i want to do the changing |
| 21:55.29 | pa | but it doesnt seem to work |
| 21:56.00 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: you can't make two requests for one file |
| 21:56.08 | itsnotabigtruck | and you shouldn't hardcode that uid 29999 either |
| 21:56.23 | itsnotabigtruck | change the policy="add" at the top to policy="add setxid" |
| 21:56.25 | rzr | djszapi_, i can be helpful ... but i fear this is not best mankind achievement |
| 21:56.35 | pa | ah ok, didnt know :) |
| 21:56.36 | itsnotabigtruck | remove the second request |
| 21:56.44 | itsnotabigtruck | but move the UID::root into the first request |
| 21:56.55 | pa | thank you |
| 21:58.05 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: then use code like this |
| 21:58.08 | itsnotabigtruck | https://gist.github.com/96c6db8851221b2c26c0 |
| 21:58.10 | itsnotabigtruck | to swap the uids |
| 21:58.18 | itsnotabigtruck | except get rid of the second part that does the group ids |
| 21:59.24 | itsnotabigtruck | then what you'd do is flip once when you launch |
| 21:59.32 | itsnotabigtruck | then when you change the brightness |
| 21:59.38 | itsnotabigtruck | flip, change, flip |
| 22:00.04 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe the script approach is a better idea |
| 22:01.19 | djszapi_ | I would not make a script |
| 22:01.32 | djszapi_ | I would use the api established for this purpose - POSIX C |
| 22:01.39 | djszapi_ | or if I was a high-level Qt guy, then just simply QFile |
| 22:01.46 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: if you don't know what you're talking about, don't talk |
| 22:01.54 | itsnotabigtruck | all you're doing is preventing pa from solving his problem |
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| 22:01.59 | djszapi_ | like I have managed all these things for the pandaboard: gpio, powersave mode, led control, ec |
| 22:02.01 | djszapi_ | etc* |
| 22:02.04 | djszapi_ | writing the procfs directly. |
| 22:02.06 | itsnotabigtruck | there's only 3 ways to do this, and 1 of them requires inception |
| 22:02.15 | djszapi_ | no, it does not |
| 22:02.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and you don't like the other two |
| 22:02.19 | djszapi_ | inception is a crap |
| 22:02.21 | djszapi_ | for end users |
| 22:02.47 | itsnotabigtruck | the entire issue is that a qml program can't start as root |
| 22:02.51 | djszapi_ | you are basically trying to know better what we designed, and how we designed. That kinda bugs me, I need to admit. |
| 22:02.51 | itsnotabigtruck | but you have to be root to write this file |
| 22:02.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it's a catch-22 |
| 22:03.04 | djszapi_ | I clearly said, what the solution should be |
| 22:03.05 | itsnotabigtruck | for someone who was involved in designing this thing, you're astonishingly ignorant about its design |
| 22:03.12 | djszapi_ | you misdrove him. |
| 22:03.20 | djszapi_ | because you think, you know better, how we designed. |
| 22:04.43 | djszapi_ | system and QProcess should be used carefully, and I do not see the need in this case, that is the other totally wrong approach. |
| 22:04.49 | djszapi_ | there are established APIs for this. |
| 22:05.17 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi_: because system and qprocess do NOTHING to solve permission problems... |
| 22:05.28 | djszapi_ | *sigh* |
| 22:05.33 | itsnotabigtruck | nor qfile nor any other qt apis |
| 22:05.58 | djszapi_ | I told the nice solution ahlf an hour ago |
| 22:06.01 | djszapi_ | half* |
| 22:06.06 | djszapi_ | from aegis design pov |
| 22:06.18 | macmaN | nice firefox os running n9: http://unleashthephones.com/2012/07/23/video-firefox-os-running-on-a-nokia-n9/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ZomgItsCj+%28UnleashThePhones+-+Mobile+Phone+News%2C+Reviews+and+More%29 |
| 22:06.20 | djszapi_ | I revealed a borked design decision: system (that he got as a suggestion) |
| 22:06.45 | djszapi_ | so basically just two big design pitfals, but sure go ahead: mislead him. |
| 22:13.14 | pa | itsnotabigtruck, so, i tried to do that way, meaning fixing the aegis file, then adding the modified trinst_xid_swap(), calling it once in main, and then twice when i want to do the brightness changing, but it still seems it doesnt work |
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| 22:13.50 | djszapi_ | pa: good luck |
| 22:14.11 | djszapi_ | if you need my help with fixing this nicely, you can find me in private. I keep that option open. |
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| 22:17.06 | pa | thanks :) |
| 22:17.23 | itsnotabigtruck | pa: hmmmm |
| 22:17.26 | pa | i guess i better go to sleep now tho.. hope tomorrow i'll find some time to fix it :) |
| 22:17.34 | itsnotabigtruck | i think the script approach would probably be better, really |
| 22:17.46 | itsnotabigtruck | the script approach is where you make a script like |
| 22:17.48 | itsnotabigtruck | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:17.55 | itsnotabigtruck | echo "$1" > /sys/foo |
| 22:18.21 | itsnotabigtruck | then you edit the manifest and add a second request that gives UID::root to the script only |
| 22:18.27 | pa | ah i see |
| 22:18.31 | itsnotabigtruck | and take UID::root off the 1st request |
| 22:18.31 | pa | could try yes |
| 22:18.38 | itsnotabigtruck | then your app runs the script using qprocess when it needs to |
| 22:18.56 | pa | qprocess... = system? |
| 22:19.29 | ajalkane | Is QProcess enough or do you need to use aegis-exec so that the priviledges are correctly assigned? |
| 22:19.49 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically this function will do nicely https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qprocess.html#execute |
| 22:19.58 | itsnotabigtruck | don't use system |
| 22:20.14 | itsnotabigtruck | but they do roughly similar things |
| 22:20.25 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: nah, qprocess is enough |
| 22:21.10 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, then get rid of any of the changes you made to accomodate that uid swapping thing i suggested before |
| 22:21.24 | pa | yes, true |
| 22:21.49 | itsnotabigtruck | also if you're using qt creator, it's important that you install the script into a path that contains bin |
| 22:21.53 | itsnotabigtruck | because qt creator sucks |
| 22:22.12 | pa | yes i unfortunately use it |
| 22:22.27 | itsnotabigtruck | so e.g. /opt/yourapp/bin/something = ok, /usr/bin/something = ok, /usr/lib/yourapp/something = *not* ok |
| 22:22.30 | pa | and i was already wondering how to make the script end in that dir |
| 22:22.37 | itsnotabigtruck | /opt/yourapp/something = also not ok |
| 22:23.23 | itsnotabigtruck | as for how to make it end up there, pretty sure you can tweak your pro files to do that |
| 22:26.23 | pa | yeah, have to read about it, anyway thanks for the help! |
| 22:28.27 | itsnotabigtruck | later! |
| 22:29.47 | ajalkane | I'm about to hit the bed, good night! |
| 22:30.06 | ZogG_laptop | night |
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| 22:43.32 | heymaster-laptop | http://paste.lisp.org/display/130642 |
| 22:44.28 | heymaster-laptop | I'm creating new elements for my ListVIEW. Host host = Host(title, hostname, username, port) ; << I need to use NEW operator to alloc memory ? |
| 22:56.12 | heymaster-laptop | yeah it worked |
| 23:00.32 | heymaster-laptop | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236877-Qt-QML-ListView-Refresh-ListView&p=900039#post900039 << I answeared my question by my own if anyone interested. |
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| 23:19.06 | Venemo | heymaster-laptop, can I ask what app is that? |
| 23:20.50 | heymaster-laptop | Venemo: at least for now I have only ListView and possability to add new row. I don't know if finish this app. |
| 23:20.56 | heymaster-laptop | Venemo: yes |
| 23:21.45 | heymaster-laptop | Venemo: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/servermonitor/id401491476?mt=8 << I'm trying to port my iPhone app. |
| 23:22.07 | heymaster-laptop | But with basic functionaly |
| 23:23.26 | Venemo | I see |
| 23:23.28 | Venemo | nice :) |
| 23:23.46 | gabriel9 | Nice app |
| 23:23.49 | heymaster-laptop | nothing special :) |
| 23:23.49 | gabriel9 | and usefull |
| 23:24.07 | gabriel9 | well for us who have some servers it is nice |
| 23:24.09 | gabriel9 | :) |
| 23:25.20 | heymaster-laptop | I talked with one guru admin he said don't write such app, because all admins using Nagios or similar software |
| 23:26.39 | gabriel9 | writing apps is good practice |
| 23:26.46 | gabriel9 | so in any case you should write it |
| 23:27.19 | heymaster-laptop | :) |
| 23:28.08 | gabriel9 | i have so many plans and apps in draft |
| 23:28.13 | gabriel9 | but no time :( |
| 23:28.31 | gabriel9 | full time job sometimes is really unproductive :D |
| 23:28.34 | heymaster-laptop | good to you |
| 23:28.41 | gabriel9 | it is nice |
| 23:29.07 | gabriel9 | good nigh, 5h untill job start |
| 23:29.20 | heymaster-laptop | would be bad if you haven't any ideas :) |
| 23:29.27 | heymaster-laptop | bye :) |
| 23:31.51 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: so how is it going with app? |
| 23:33.05 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: the app on iphone is yours? |
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| 23:33.35 | ZogG_laptop | gabriel9: you just went to sleep, haven't you? |
| 23:35.01 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: as i said have listview and functionality to add new row |
| 23:35.08 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes, it's my app |
| 23:36.14 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: that app is connecting to server right? i forgot the name |
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| 23:36.37 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: yes |
| 23:36.43 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: maybe you can use more qml + javascript than? it would be easier? |
| 23:37.16 | ZogG_laptop | as well you can try to search for libs or apps wit hsimiluar functions to use them as examples? |
| 23:37.38 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: thanks. but now i understood how to make things. atleast show listview and new rows |
| 23:37.50 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: what's the point ? |
| 23:38.40 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: everything is ok |
| 23:39.34 | heymaster-laptop | read code is harder than write. at least for me |
| 23:40.22 | ZogG_laptop | for me too, but when i use it and than play with it i start to understand what was done and than i can write myself similuar things |
| 23:41.01 | heymaster-laptop | yes, read code is the way to master programming |
| 23:43.20 | ZogG_laptop | not really |
| 23:43.32 | ZogG_laptop | there are languages i do understand most of code but can't write it myself |
| 23:43.34 | ZogG_laptop | = |
| 23:43.36 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 23:43.46 | ZogG_laptop | but i'm mostly loser and maybe can't be an example |
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| 23:48.39 | heymaster-laptop | ZogG_laptop: +/- :) |
