IRC log for #harmattan on 20120725

00:02.57Estel_MohammadAG, well, after all, it turned out that in every documentation, those 4 screws in back of N950 are T4... No wonder, that I finally managed to unscrew them via T4, though ;)
00:03.26Estel_it seems that, all after all, I had correctly shaped Torx'es, and if You managed to unscrew it with T5, Your T5 is little too big :D
00:03.56Estel_funny, as rest of N950 disassembling is a piece of cake (which cannot be said about assembling screen tilt mechanism again, due to springs)
00:04.41ZogG_laptophe is asleep prob, he mentioned he has few exams this week
00:06.44ZogG_laptopand i'm gonna go to sleep too, as i'm sure i don't want to see again you talking to yourself. describing every movement you do with so uninteresting details, while refusing to understand it was made and described before on TMO and FMC, but you call them .... i don't rememeber the word you used yesterday
00:06.49ZogG_laptopnight
00:09.45Estel_ZogG, feeling all-right? It's nothing new that You try to troll me, but You've never tried in monologues between going to sleep ;)
00:09.52Estel_s/between/before/
00:10.13Estel_May I suggest that you tunnel Your energy into more productive things? Thanks.
00:10.42ZogG_laptopmore productive like what?
00:10.49ZogG_laptoplistens
00:12.42ZogG_laptoperased long answer and goes to sleep
00:12.44ZogG_laptopnight
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02:14.02njsfHi all
02:14.21njsfDoes anyone know where the last positioning location is saved ?
02:14.34njsfI keep getting it set a very old one
02:15.01njsfand while the GPS works, when it does not have a direct GPS line, the location reverts to that location, it does not even try A-GPS
02:15.04njsfthis is PR 1.3
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07:29.46ArkenoiEstel_, what do you think if it is possible to make frankenstein device like n9+keyboard any better with custom case -- not like those ugly projects that are about attaching keyboard over the existing case?
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07:57.41thpArkenoi: why do you want to do that? the resulting device is very likely not smaller than the n900, anyway
07:58.34Arkenoithp, it would be way better that what you can do without removing the original case
07:59.02thphave you used the n9 vkb already?
07:59.08thpit's not that bad, actually
08:02.42Arkenoii hate virtual keyboards :-( i tried hard and it seems to be definite failure
08:02.52clauI use it all the time
08:03.05claufor emails/chat/etc I use swype, it works like a charm
08:03.44clauthe default vkb isn't that great for the terminal, so I use FingerTerm now
08:04.00clauthis: http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ , it's also in the store
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08:07.42deramsince when it has been GPLv3?
08:08.33Arkenoiis using qwerty smartphone for 14 years (and used qwerty pda for 4 years before that), almost all that time I occasionally tried to find a way to use touchscreen text input instead (yes, since grafitti and newton handwriting recognition) and all that attempts failed miserably, everything just sucks compared to real keyboard
08:10.20thpArkenoi: have you used the n9's vkb?
08:10.43thp(on a n9)
08:11.14clauArkenoi, I used a Nokia E71 for several years before N9. I had to switch back to it for a while and I must say I found it a pain to work with it, compared to N9's vkb.
08:11.26clauso, just give it a try for a couple of weeks and complain afterwards
08:11.50Arkenoithp, i use it on n950 occasionally just to see if it is possible to get used to it. no, it is definitely impossible
08:12.09thpArkenoi: it's better on the n9 - the tactile feedback is much better on the n9
08:12.33thpand yes, the tactile feedback does make a difference! a lot, actually
08:12.42clauagreed
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08:15.39thpArkenoi: of course, there are real downsides of a vkb like the reduced screen space
08:16.16thpbut all in all, i'd say give the n9 vkb a try before judging it, even if you have used maliit on the n950. it's better on the n9 ;)
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08:24.13macmaNanyone got an idea why the systemui failed transfer dialog doesnt provide a retry button? it's so totally fun to do the whole sharing procedure again every fail
08:31.24thpmacmaN: i guess the sharing plug-in doesn't set the retry button callback? at least with mails i've seen that there's a "retry" button
08:32.02macmaNhm. for some reason sharing via bluetooth to my laptop doesnt seem to succeed.
08:32.08macmaNand that def doesnt have it :/
08:39.09pagps question: i wrote a very simple class, basically like this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/location-overview.html
08:39.21pai didnt set any update interval
08:39.41pai see on my phone that the gps sync is obtained (icon doesnt blink anymore)
08:39.54pabut the slot is never called..
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09:00.29pahow high is an N9 page? or, from the other side, how thick is the top bar?
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09:19.58jpnurmipa: status bar is 36px high
09:21.23jonnibut you shouldn't hardcode it as it might vary depending on theme or country variant :)
09:22.34jonnior depends what are you trying to do in the 1st place
09:22.42jpnurmican it? it's hardcoded in mdeclarativestatusbar.cpp
09:23.15jonniwell you can hide it, then 36px turns into 0px ;)
09:23.48pawell i was just trying to count in how many rows i can divide the screen
09:24.39paoh, and i have another question: i want to have a button, that when i press, transforms into two buttons
09:24.50pahow do i do that? hide that one and show the others?
09:26.29jonnior reuse the existing one and transform/animate a second button into the view
09:27.18jonnihttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativeanimation.html
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11:14.11pacan the N9 actually host more than one bluetooth device?
11:14.22MohammadAGIt should
11:14.32pathats cool!
11:15.56chem|stdoes the n9 come with nikon d3000 pictures? I think I have some folders and files from internal testings too
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11:28.34Hurrianchem|st, unlikely that they took sample images with the phone
11:28.59Hurrianalso, on a clean PR1.3 and Global eMMC flash, I have a pvr_hwrec folder in MyDocs
11:29.22Hurrianno clue what it's for, but I'm assuming it's for SGX drivers
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11:53.18chem|stHurrian: I had masses of pictures shot with a nikon on my device
11:53.37Hurrianmasses of pictures?
11:53.40chem|sttesting protocols eg some xls files
11:53.52HurrianI'm pretty sure those don't come standard with N9s.
11:54.03HurrianThat'd all be interesting.
11:55.01chem|stI have some files I do not know if I may delete, in MyDocs I have cyan-rectangle* files "may I delete?"
11:55.17Hurrianeverything in MyDocs is disposable
11:55.24HurrianCould you perhaps upload them somewhere?
11:55.34chem|stsure
11:56.18chem|stjono-bacon-theartofcommunity-1ed.pdf
11:56.35chem|stMeeGo_Overview.odt
11:56.58chem|stPDFPerformance.xls <- that is one of the testing files
11:57.27chem|stRWWeb3.0.ppt <- web3.0 presentation
11:57.54chem|stTest report.xls
11:58.33chem|stand a ._$chinese_character file
11:58.51Hurrianthe chinese character file is part of the regular eMMC image, for no reason at all.
11:59.19Hurrianthinks those N9s were hand-packed, and someone's N9 was sent instead of a fresh device
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12:00.00chem|stoh those are no fresh devices, they are all from develdepartment
12:00.16chem|stah the ._file is for OSx
12:01.23chem|stQt for Mobile Developers Ex book.pdf
12:01.42Hurrianyours seems to be not a fresh device.
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12:01.53Hurrianmine still came with PR1.1
12:02.01chem|stthe one I had before wasn't either
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12:02.37Hurrianman, I bet someone at Nokia had a really bad day.
12:02.51Hurrianeverything else was cleared though, contacts and all?
12:03.40chem|styeah, that one had a fresh rootfs flash and contacts and calendar was gone
12:04.09chem|stbut I have folders spare in /home/user/ and Mydocs
12:04.22chem|stlike those nikon d3000 pictures
12:04.36chem|stlooked like a worldtour to me
12:07.20chem|stand .feed/enclosures ?
12:07.32chem|stMyDocs/.feed/...
12:11.10chem|stroute picture san fran to santa clara...
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12:56.05ZogG_laptopchem|st: got someone's phone?
12:57.15chem|stZogG_laptop: my CA device...
12:57.31ZogG_laptopchem|st: but does it have scratches?
12:57.49chem|stnot a single one
12:57.59ZogG_laptopso outside it looks new?
12:58.23chem|stbut my n900 would look kinda brand new if you clean it properly
12:58.47chem|stand replacing a scratched screen is a matter of minutes
12:58.56ZogG_laptopchem|st: post pictures on TMO and ask who is it, maybe you'll find prev owner =P
12:59.17chem|stI am not very interested
12:59.45chem|stwas impressed how many pictures nokia puts on their phones nowadays at first
13:03.14MohammadAGarcean, ping
13:06.28arceanMohammadAG, povbot_
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13:07.05MohammadAGheh
13:07.15MohammadAGarcean, users saying LED notifications aren't working
13:08.03MohammadAGthey're not working for me either
13:08.37arceanuhm
13:08.42arceanaegis?
13:09.28arceancrap, forgot about mce in aegis file
13:09.56MohammadAGoh, that makes sense
13:10.04arceanhttps://github.com/harmattan/unrestricted-system-ui/blob/master/debian/system-ui.aegis
13:10.56MohammadAGmce::LEDControl
13:11.01arceanyes, https://meego.gitorious.org/~arcean/meegotouch/meegotouch-systemui-led/blobs/a0d3ca5b3fcb1624b5677e17c9455b217c035c31/debian/system-ui.aegis
13:14.57MohammadAGarcean, fixed and pushed,
13:14.58MohammadAGtests
13:15.16arceanMohammadAG, thanks and sorry for problems :)
13:15.40MohammadAGarcean, it wasn't your fault, I should've checked :p
13:17.04arceanI've completely forgotten about aegis manifest :P
13:18.00MohammadAGworks fine
13:18.02MohammadAGme too :D
13:18.51arceanheh
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13:36.30chem|stare there mpeg decoder plugins somewhere?
13:37.52chem|stsry, I am looking for additional codecs for videoplayer
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14:37.01Palido you know if there is (leather) case for n950? maybe something like cp-408?
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16:50.47Palido you know if CP-501 pass for N950?
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16:54.24ZogG_laptoparcean: ping
16:54.32ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: ping you too
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19:00.51paquestion: is it normal that this code does not trigger the slot on N9? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/location-overview.html (first snippet)
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19:07.41rzrqwazix, ping
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19:09.07qwazixrzr, yesterday ZogG_laptop fixed rawcam on obs to be able to run as user and made a pull request. I didn't find the time yet to merge but I will do it as soon as possible
19:09.58qwazixmeanwile I wanted to up the N950 to pr1.3 but I'm curious if that would make flashing impossible afterwards (stupid downgrade protection)
19:10.28rzrgood question for itsnotabigtruck
19:11.52qwazixi'll ask him then, I thought it was you that first made the upgrade possible
19:13.48qwazixok going to hit the green merge button on github
19:13.56qwazixcrossing fingers
19:16.24qwazixok seems to have merged ok. rzr please try adding to your repo again
19:17.03qwazixitsnotabigtruck, ping
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19:19.54arcean_qwazix, scroll the page a little, http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=handset&#firmware
19:20.08ZogG_laptoparcean_: qwazix sup guys
19:20.11arcean_as long as you won't update cert-sw you're safe
19:20.30arcean_hi ZogG_laptop
19:20.33ZogG_laptoparcean_: MohammadAG merged yout LED patch in his system-ui
19:21.26arcean_yes, it was a looong night, yesterday :)
19:21.32ZogG_laptoparcean_: but what about your settings )
19:21.39ZogG_laptopi want your settings
19:22.07arcean_they're in MAGs repository
19:23.46ZogG_laptoparcean_: settings as well?
19:24.05ZogG_laptoparcean_: so i need to install his LED
19:24.16ZogG_laptopi thought it's part of system-ui
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19:24.57arcean_apt-get install duicontrolpanel-ledapplet duicontrolpanel-ledapplet-l10n-engineering-english
19:25.09arcean_if you have MAG's repo enabled
19:29.24ZogG_laptoparcean_: i may have it, or may not
19:30.24paarcean_, you made camdrive, right?
19:31.24arcean_ZogG_laptop, then install the applet from this post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1239308&postcount=1
19:31.36ZogG_laptoparcean_: btw why do i need polish =)
19:32.30paarcean_, i think i cloned the git sources, but why cant i find any reference to QGeo*?
19:33.01arcean_ZogG_laptop, hmm did you install l10n-polish package?
19:33.28ZogG_laptoparcean_: it installs it with duicontrolpanel-ledapplet
19:33.47arcean_pa, Your SDk/QtCreator is missing QtMobility?
19:34.02arcean_ZogG_laptop, hmm, from MAGs repo?
19:34.11pano, i mean why cant i find any reference in your source code?
19:34.19ZogG_laptoparcean_: yeap
19:34.20arcean_ZogG_laptop, then try this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1239308&postcount=1
19:34.34ZogG_laptoparcean_: and i have his system-ui so no need on your's right
19:34.55paah
19:35.00pacamdrive_qml
19:35.02arcean_ZogG_laptop, you can install only applet  from this post
19:35.02pathats why
19:35.24ZogG_laptoparcean_: and LED from his repo?
19:35.29arcean_yes
19:35.55ZogG_laptopso it works your way and not separete like it was?
19:36.01arcean_pa: I'm using import QtMobility.location 1.2 in QML
19:36.32arcean_ZogG_laptop, yes, by default LEDs are disabled in unrestricted-system-ui
19:37.12arcean_and you can enable them only by toggling a switch in the leds applet
19:37.19ZogG_laptoparcean_: you added it inside system-ui
19:37.25ZogG_laptopand he has led-event-notifier
19:37.34paarcean_, ok, in ur gps.cpp u have exactly the same code as me
19:37.49pabut for some reason, in my case the slot is not called..
19:38.01ZogG_laptopthe question is if i install led-event wouuld it be separete and in system-ui?
19:38.14ZogG_laptoparcean_: as i want all other changes to system-ui he did
19:38.51arcean_ZogG_laptop, wait hmm, the latest system-ui from MAG contains my LED thing
19:39.08ZogG_laptoparcean_: than i think i'm okay
19:39.27arcean_you just need the led applet to turn it on
19:40.11ZogG_laptoparcean_: installed it
19:40.16ZogG_laptopit works
19:40.18ZogG_laptopfine
19:40.21ZogG_laptopthanks
19:40.33arcean_np :)
19:40.38ZogG_laptoparcean_: thank's for your help, there is nothing anymore to do here
19:40.40ZogG_laptop=P
19:40.53ZogG_laptoparcean_: :P
19:41.19arcean_heh
19:42.18ZogG_laptopOffice is a cool TV show
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19:43.33ZogG_laptopqwazix: i have more commits there i did
19:43.51ZogG_laptopqwazix: i could apply them as i'm at harmattan repo, but waited for you =)
19:44.08qwazixgo ahead :)
19:45.10qwazixwhat did you fix?
19:45.33ZogG_laptoparcean_: btw the green colour is awesome, make setting for it too =)
19:45.52ZogG_laptopqwazix: i made so you don't need to change anything for qtcreator build
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19:46.12qwazixis happy :)
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19:46.36ZogG_laptopqwazix:  the script changes with sed debian/rules file and uncomments all lines with "##OBS "
19:46.46ZogG_laptopi made to do the same with control
19:47.15ZogG_laptopso there is no problem with libfcam-dev. you have it on OBS and on qtreator it's commented
19:47.29qwazixperfect
19:47.45ZogG_laptopphako: btw ^ i made sed on debian/* instead of debian/rules
19:48.17qwazixgtg now, I'll be back in ~2h
19:48.44ZogG_laptopqwazix: i may be here
19:49.15ZogG_laptopqwazix: all changes are there, try to build with qtcreator and try to build in OBS in your repo (if need help ping me, you'll need it for app4meego)
19:54.33paok now it works. N9 positioning really sucks tho
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20:07.09ZogG_laptopHtheB: faenil sup =)
20:07.20ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer06: \o
20:08.53faenilhey ZogG_laptop  :)
20:09.11faenilgetting to learn something about OBS on #nemomobile :)
20:10.10HtheBZogG_laptop
20:10.17HtheBfine thnx how about you?
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20:34.17ZogG_laptopfaenil: what exactly
20:34.27faenileverything :D
20:34.33faenilbasics :P
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20:40.24pais using font size the only way to control the size of a label?
20:44.03ZogG_laptopfaenil: ok, i need to learn too, gonna read log later, so ask smart questions for me too =)
20:44.33faenilZogG_laptop, we haven't started yet...still setting up SDK and SB2
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20:45.47phakowhere's the refhashlist again?
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21:29.37chem|stwtf is parvez shaik?
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21:38.21patheres really no way to use fancy fonts on harmattan, right?
21:38.31pai mean, on qt creator designer i can select fonts
21:38.38pabut in the app the font is always the same
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21:40.22jonnipa: you can change the font with font.family
21:41.42jonnipa: and you can load custom fonts with FontLoader: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/qml-fontloader.html
21:41.57gabriel9http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2012/07/25/darpa-funded-researcher-can-take-over-android-and-nokia-phones-by-merely-waving-another-device-near-them/
21:42.01gabriel9check this out
21:42.44paah great thanks
21:43.23jonnigabriel9: thats already been talked in tmo, requirest nfc to be enabled (which its not by default), requires bluetooth to be on (atleast I dont keep it on), requires touching the phone, since nfc antenna is so crappy :)
21:43.32jonnirequires even
21:43.48gabriel9:)
21:43.51gabriel9ok
21:43.55gabriel9i did not check tmo
21:44.17pajonni, does it support otf?
21:45.31jonnipa: afaik yes, but I havent tested otf fonts
21:46.37Corsacwhat exactly is “pairing bluetooth through nfc”?
21:49.38jonniCorsac: most likely it just means SPP
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21:50.13CorsacSPP?
21:50.26jonni(Secure Simple Pairing): http://www.nfc-forum.org/resources/AppDocs/NFCForum_AD_BTSSP_1_0.pdf
21:50.47jonnibasicly just nfc tag, which holds the mac address and common key, very simplified
21:51.15jonniread spec for details :)
21:55.23SchturmanHello averyone. I got malf when trying to change UA in my N9. I read somewhere that I can access to my phone via R&D mode, I tried this.. After running this command: flasher --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset  I connected my phone and I see Nokia logo and sign of key and nothing else.. Can someone explain me how I can restore grob file without refrlashing ? I don't want open mode that we get via using this method
21:58.26jonniSchturman: your only option is openmode or reflashing if you have broken grob's sha1sum. There is one other way (if you would know someone working for Nokia), but it would require hardware that you dont have.
21:59.05jonniso in short if you want secure mode, you need to reflash.
21:59.26SchturmanOk, I understand.. Thanks jonni
21:59.56jonnithat lifeguard reset only works on situations of misstyped config files that arent protected by refhashlist.
22:01.26HtheBSchturman
22:01.34SchturmanAaaa, ok..
22:01.37SchturmanYes
22:01.38HtheBwill you add automatic nightmode to drive?
22:01.44HtheBin your script
22:01.49Schturmanyes
22:01.54HtheBoh and by the way, got 1 problem
22:01.57HtheBgood that youre here now
22:02.14HtheBI installed this on the N950
22:02.22SchturmanI go to reflash now :)
22:02.23HtheB(hang on, finding link 4 u)
22:02.35Schturmanok
22:02.37HtheBu still here while reflashing?
22:02.53Schturmanyes i'm here
22:03.07SchturmanI still not started
22:04.22HtheBhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85456
22:04.50HtheBso, if I want to install mttoggles with your script, it wont allow it
22:06.23HtheBgives me this error
22:06.36HtheBsystem-ui-extensions is in strijd met unrestricted-system-ui
22:06.54HtheB(is in strijd means it conflicts)
22:09.26SchturmanYes sure... the system ui extansion is deferent app that you need to install on original system ui
22:09.28HtheBby the way, you can add this to your script too, it allows to rotate some apps like the settings menu, calculator, store...
22:10.29HtheBI couldnt fix this :/ couldnt find out how to force install it
22:10.30HtheB:p
22:10.37SchturmanThe rotation of original app in to do list, maybe i will add  this to 8.6
22:10.51HtheBnice :)
22:10.59HtheBI found some typo btw
22:11.00HtheBhehe
22:11.34HtheBit says LANSCAPE instead of landscape :p
22:11.57HtheBdont remeber which option it was though
22:12.17SchturmanBecause of reflash now I will release v 8.5 later, 1-2 days, i think...
22:12.39HtheBno rush :)
22:13.05Schturmango to reflash, bye for now :)
22:13.14HtheBalright :)
22:13.18HtheBfix the typo :p
22:13.23HtheBin your script, lol
22:13.48Schturmanhmm in which tweak ? :D
22:14.08HtheBsearch for lanscape :p
22:14.11jonnihttp://www.extremetech.com/computing/133448-black-hat-hacker-gains-access-to-4-million-hotel-rooms-with-arduino-microcontroller
22:14.14HtheBin your script
22:14.23HtheBhang on, ill check :D
22:16.38HtheBdamn, cant find it
22:16.50HtheBwhich options has 'landscape' options
22:16.52HtheB?
22:17.14HtheBlol, which options has landscape functions
22:19.02SchturmanA,B,W don't remember :P
22:19.22HtheBi should have wrote it down...
22:19.26HtheBwrite
22:19.50HtheBtypo found!
22:20.01Schturmanwhere?
22:20.10HtheBchange clock
22:20.27HtheBnumber 10
22:20.36HtheBwihte instead of white :p
22:20.49HtheBwithe*
22:20.57SchturmanOk, I will chaeck :) thanks
22:21.03Schturmancheck
22:21.17HtheBbut thats another typo though :p
22:21.52SchturmanOK :) I flashed... Oh.. now i need to reinstall all app :(
22:23.17HtheB:(
22:24.12HtheBgoing to sleep now
22:24.19HtheBkinda late :(
22:24.19Schturmanbye
22:24.35HtheBgood luck on installing crAPPS
22:24.38HtheB:p
22:24.59Schturmanthanks :P
22:25.20HtheBhehhe nite!
22:25.30ZogG_laptopSchturman: privet =)
22:25.40Schturmangood night
22:25.49SchturmanHi ZogG
22:31.59chem|sto/
22:39.37padoes qml buttons have a signal pressed()?
22:39.42palike if i press but not release
22:39.48pa(!= pressandhold)
22:40.00alteregoonPressed ..
22:40.05alteregoonReleazex
22:40.12alteregoonReleasex
22:40.20alteregoffs give up :)
22:40.29alteregogoes back to sleep
22:43.26pahm
22:43.32panot sure there is onPressed
22:44.37paah ok, it is "onPressedChanged"
22:44.41pathat does both
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22:59.16merlin1991phew compiling qt takes forever
23:07.28padoes anyone know on which experimental repo the qtlocation  offline map plugin is?
23:35.11paok, so it seems there is a declarative Map component
23:35.19paand there is an "offline mode"
23:35.33pabut even with the "nokia" plugin on PR1.3, it doesnt work
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23:44.23admiral0so easy to flame
23:45.20pahehe
23:45.35pawhere are the desktop files kept in harmattan?
23:47.02Oni^/usr/share/applications ?
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