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04:49.30ZogG_laptopmorning
05:02.50ieatlintoh god, 90min without power really reminds you how little there is to do without power
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05:31.09ZogG_laptopieatlint: power is over rated
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08:08.19DocScrutinizer05morning
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08:13.06chem|stZogG_laptop: pong
08:13.11chem|stDocScrutinizer05: good morning!
08:13.30DocScrutinizer05chem|st: moaning
08:13.37chem|st:)
08:13.49chem|stparis is a construction site!
08:14.11chem|st"one" construction site^^
08:15.47chem|styou walk the stairs at some places and think "ah this place was nice last time" and you end up in the middle of a pit surrounded by fences and only a small path is available for you to leave
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08:33.28thpX-Fade: apps.formeego.org -> 502 Bad Gateway -> Help, Help! ;)
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08:40.42ZogG_laptopthp: i was told he is aware of it
08:40.55ZogG_laptopchem|st: had not ime to check, i might check in few hours
08:55.57chem|stZogG_laptop: hope you had a nice weekend then!
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09:23.01ArkanoiD_damn. Nokia failed the idea of merged contacts for unified communications miserably :-( and it is even worse in Harmattan and seems to actually have nothing with sync :-((
09:24.39ZogG_laptopchem|st: ping
09:25.22ZogG_laptopchem|st: do you have a link for some movie to test? i installed those packages from blog, wanna test if they work
09:26.01chem|sthmm... any mpg I had did not work
09:26.08chem|stonly mp4
09:27.18ZogG_laptopflv?
09:27.20ZogG_laptopmov?
09:27.34ZogG_laptopdo you have few mbs movie you can send me?
09:27.37chem|stArkanoiD_: ehrm? first device I know where it works properly is n900, just all other services do not like additional fields in vcards...
09:28.20chem|stZogG_laptop: email? 1.4MB
09:30.09ZogG_laptopchem|st: tell me when it is sent
09:30.28ArkanoiD_chem|st, so I am the only person who constantly sees "spontaneous unmerging"?
09:30.36ZogG_laptopgit it
09:30.38ArkanoiD_both on fremantle and harmattan?
09:30.53chem|stZogG_laptop: sent, that is my work email... please don't use as reference
09:31.02ArkanoiD_woders what could be so unique in my environment, just several online services configured
09:31.33ZogG_laptopchem|st: hmm, i keep private info private, and even has no idea how to use it =)
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09:31.49chem|stArkanoiD_: uh that unmerging happened to me with deleting and adding same account
09:32.55chem|stZogG_laptop: just do not reply to it, I haven't configured my personal email at work as I cannot set smtp by wifi on n9
09:32.58ZogG_laptopchem|st: downoading on the phone =)
09:33.47chem|stArkanoiD_: spontaneous unmerging out of the wild is new to me
09:34.16ArkanoiD_chem|st, I see it from the very beginning, from the first days of n900
09:34.43ArkanoiD_and there is no visible pattern -- unmerging contacts may be icq or may be gtalk or whatever
09:34.45chem|stand I had like 3xmpp+icq+skype+msn+sip configured
09:34.55ArkanoiD_or skype
09:35.02chem|sthmm
09:35.18ZogG_laptopchem|st: doesn't wok
09:35.25chem|stk
09:35.48chem|stI said there is something wrong as some of the stuff I tried should be in plugins-bad
09:36.00chem|stbut does not work
09:36.11ZogG_laptopdid you try only stock player?
09:36.51chem|stopenplayer I tried too but that is actually a player based on the open code of the stock player
09:37.16chem|stvlc would be neat
09:38.23ZogG_laptopthere is vlc actually
09:39.06ZogG_laptopbut extra codecs would be better
09:50.20ZogG_laptopchem|st: i think i found right one
09:50.36ZogG_laptopchem|st: gonna try to install it on device before trying to package
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09:53.59gabriel9|workdid you saw this: http://vimeo.com/46304267
10:01.17ZogG_laptopchem|st: lol, i have no sb, so installing gcc on phone, soon we'll know if i succeed
10:04.13ZogG_laptopanyone has aegisctl deb?
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10:07.42ArkanoiD_gabriel9|work, at the end of the movie it is time for the girl to find him by the sound and kick shit out of him :-)
10:09.04gabriel9|work:)
10:10.12gabriel9|workwell that will be if they use some closed system
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10:28.59ZogG_laptopchem|st: still here?
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10:47.21chem|stZogG_laptop: kind of
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11:01.32ZogG_laptopchem|st: can you paste gst-inspect-0.10
11:13.59ZogG_laptopjonni: sup
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11:14.23jonni;)
11:21.48ZogG_laptopjonni: howdy
11:26.01ZogG_laptopjonni: i installed ffmpeg and extra codecs, but it still not playing =(
11:27.04chem|stZogG_laptop: ?
11:27.19ZogG_laptopjust run command as user and paste output
11:27.44chem|stdon't have it
11:27.52ZogG_laptopas user?
11:27.52chem|stah path is not set right?
11:28.02ZogG_laptopi don't think so
11:28.09ZogG_laptopi have it from somereason =)
11:28.20jonniZogG_laptop: depends what you are trying to play, stock player is the only thing that uses dsp, all the 3rd party players like vlc only uses cpu.
11:28.59ZogG_laptopjonni: i want to find way to add extra codecs, starting with gst-plugins-ffmpeg and than maybe gst-plugins-ugly
11:29.59chem|stZogG_laptop: I think they also cut out some stuff from good & bad
11:30.27chem|stread somewhere that things actually in good are not in harmattan's -good
11:30.48ZogG_laptopthe thing is how they use those with stock player
11:31.52chem|stx)
11:32.16ZogG_laptopchem|st: can u paste ls -l /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/
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11:34.14jonniI once did play around with them 6 months ago, and compiled custom version myself with extra codecs, but then I lost my interest since all the media that I play works with default codecs.
11:34.19chem|stZogG_laptop: not atm, what are you looking for?
11:34.51chem|stjonni: all your media is mp4?
11:37.09jonninope
11:37.50ZogG_laptopi bet it would be mkv
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11:40.33chem|stZogG_laptop: http://pastebin.com/40gHppnn
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12:00.55ZogG_laptopchem|st:
12:00.58ZogG_laptophttp://pastebin.com/gc5wgHec
12:06.48DocScrutinizer51chem|st: so how's life?
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12:10.42ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: hey
12:12.42chem|stDocScrutinizer51: wedding in paris was awesome!
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12:13.26chem|st3days of work and I will be 3 days in hanover then 6days of surfing on fehmarn...
12:13.30chem|stan you?
12:13.48chem|stZogG_laptop: and you do not get the mpg working?
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12:15.21ZogG_laptopnope
12:15.41chem|sthttp://archive.org/download/test-mpeg/test-mpeg.mpg
12:15.48chem|sthow about that?
12:16.55ZogG_laptopchem|st: i think it's or stock player problem or i need to register plugin ( i found something about gst-register but i don't have it)
12:17.07ZogG_laptopchem|st: btw first video shows you thumbnail preview?
12:17.30ZogG_laptopchem|st: doesn't play
12:19.17chem|stnope
12:20.26ZogG_laptopchem|st: i have preview for first one
12:21.19ZogG_laptopchem|st: mplayer does play it on device
12:21.33chem|stso tracker is just using the plugin but player isn't
12:22.04ZogG_laptopor oposite and i need to register in tracker for player
12:23.05ZogG_laptopchem|st: http:/i.imgur.com/ktLXB.png
12:23.11chem|stZogG_laptop: gstreamer0.10-tools
12:23.20ZogG_laptophttp://i.imgur.com/ktLXB.png
12:23.41ZogG_laptopthe length is 00:00 btw
12:24.24chem|stwonderfull...
12:24.46chem|stah the tools package holds gst-inspect
12:25.27ZogG_laptopyeah - no register there
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12:28.19ZogG_laptopchem|st: paste tracker-info some.mpg
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12:38.18chem|stwhich part do you need? I have no remote connection so saving to file and export to desktop is not handy (does pastbinit work?)
12:39.28chem|stand I do not have a thumbnail, it reads all file information correctly afaict
12:39.44chem|stduration 0
12:39.59ZogG_laptoplemme show mine
12:41.10ZogG_laptopchem|st: http://pastebin.com/4xesXFVa
12:44.49chem|stdifference is that the rdf tags come on later but that's about it
12:45.10chem|stthe test mpg shows right duration but does not play
12:45.19chem|stand no thumb either
12:51.16ZogG_laptopchem|st: http://pastebin.com/YQsDs3HR
12:51.52ZogG_laptoptracker info shows 0 for me too
12:52.52chem|sthow about ffmpeg instead of *colorspace?
12:54.25ZogG_laptopit doesn't find it
13:00.33chem|styeah cause it isn't registered or something
13:05.22phakothere's no decoder in that pipeline
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13:11.15ZogG_laptopchem|st: lol
13:11.27ZogG_laptopchem|st: did you install gst-tools?
13:11.39ZogG_laptopi launched it with gst-launch
13:13.21ZogG_laptopgst-launch-0.10 -v filesrc location="/home/user/MyDocs/Movies/
13:13.22ZogG_laptopSputtering Simulation.mpeg"   ! decodebin !ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink
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13:23.56DocScrutinizer51chem|st: me? I got holiday since monday, just nobody 'told me' :-S
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13:24.56DocScrutinizer51so maybe from Thur on I got a week off
13:26.25DocScrutinizer51go figure! marking those two weeks as vacation in planner, back in February, and simply forgot about it. What does that now tell about me and my job?
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13:27.19DocScrutinizer51chem|st: anyway enjoy your time
13:27.31DocScrutinizer51o/
13:31.21qwazixZogG_laptop, hi
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13:33.08qwazix_900ZogG_laptop: my computer died of high temperature, hi again
13:33.53Lava_Croftcomputers still do that in 2012?
13:34.17ZogG_laptopqwazix_900: lol =) it's coz highlighting me is hot
13:34.21qwazix_900when it's 40deg C, they do
13:34.35qwazix_900ZogG_laptop: hehe
13:34.59Lava_CroftNokia Care said N9 would arrive today
13:35.02Lava_CroftGuess what happened
13:35.08Lava_Croft<PROTECTED>
13:35.10ZogG_laptop40⁰?
13:35.28ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: they will arrive yesterday
13:35.37Lava_CroftZogG_laptop: this was a repairjob, so LM
13:35.39Lava_Crofter :<
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13:35.53Lava_Croftnokia repair .// replace device
13:36.06qwazix_900well, I made a big mess out of the git repo (rawcam) , but I think I fixed it. Could you please check if your changes are still there and pull it to harmattan if everything is ok?
13:38.55ZogG_laptopqwazix_900: beta4 or later
13:39.34qwazix_900ZogG_laptop: beta 4 was the big mess, but I pushed beta 5 today too
13:39.43ZogG_laptopok
13:39.45ZogG_laptoplemme see
13:39.55qwazix_900thx
13:40.29qwazix_900pc refuses to boot... meh
13:40.45ZogG_laptopkick it =)
13:41.08Lava_Crofti wonder
13:41.13Lava_Crofta PC that shuts down at 40celsius
13:41.53qwazix_900\me kicks ATX case and side cover falls on his foot with a rattle
13:42.06qwazix_900kicks ATX case and side cover falls on his foot with a rattle
13:42.36ZogG_laptopqwazix_900: push update to harmattan. i'll fetch from there, check and push fixed update
13:42.37qwazix_900Lava_Croft: the pc is a lot hotter
13:42.45ZogG_laptopthan merge it with your repo
13:42.54ZogG_laptopand your repo with PC =)
13:42.56qwazix_900ZogG_laptop: so bad?
13:43.05Lava_Crofthah
13:43.13Lava_Croftmerge your PC with a fridge
13:43.18ZogG_laptopqwazix_900: nope, i just think, you didn't merged properly my commits
13:43.26qwazix_900ok
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13:44.25qwazix_900pc is alive :)
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13:44.58qwazix_900ZogG_laptop: push successful
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13:48.57ZogG_laptopqwazix_900: it builds in qtcreator?
13:49.01ZogG_laptopdid it fail in OBS?
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13:49.27qwazixyes perfectly, I don't know about OBS, I've never tried it
13:49.42ZogG_laptopi didn't change anything btw =)
13:49.47ZogG_laptopi think
13:49.49qwazixbtw how do you use OBS, need an account somewhere or something? Is it like maemo extras?
13:50.16ZogG_laptopkinda of
13:50.21ZogG_laptopyes make an account
13:50.28qwazixZogG_laptop, it was the permissions thing, it was building anyway, it just required develsh to run
13:50.40ZogG_laptopi can walk thru with you so you can upload to apps4meego (if they are not down anymore )
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13:51.00ZogG_laptopqwazix: i see. grey screen?
13:51.09X-Fadeqwazix: enabled your meego.com account.
13:51.46qwazixX-Fade, thanks, so I use meego.com credentials for obs?
13:51.59qwazixZogG_laptop, no didn't run at all
13:52.00X-Fadeqwazix: yep.
13:52.06ZogG_laptopqwazix: so wait
13:52.08qwazixX-Fade, kk
13:52.09ZogG_laptopX-Fade: is it up?
13:52.21ZogG_laptopnope =\
13:52.57X-FadeZogG_laptop: ?
13:53.38ZogG_laptopqwazix: how can i detect it's latest version?
13:53.45ZogG_laptopis there ISO additions?
13:54.02qwazixbeta5 has flash controls
13:54.09ZogG_laptopand iso
13:54.31qwazixiso is beta4
13:55.00ZogG_laptopyeah and it works terrible btw =)
13:55.12qwazixwhy?
13:55.27ZogG_laptopjust pointed to dark and got 3200 and instead of reducing it it went to time and frame i think =)
13:56.03qwazixwhat mode?
13:56.11Lava_CroftSo i called Nokia Care about my N9
13:56.15ZogG_laptopi put phone camera down and it went from 100-> 3200, when got it back it stayed 3200 and slowly picture got from grey to bright one with 3200
13:56.21ZogG_laptopLava_Croft: and?
13:56.22Lava_Croftdude was happy to supply me with the IMEI of the *new* N9 they are sending me
13:56.31ZogG_laptopqwazix: P i guess, didn't change anything
13:56.47Lava_Croftif theres one thing Elop should change, its the whole Nokia Care thing
13:56.52Lava_Croftits such a mess
13:57.14qwazixZogG_laptop, can't reproduce, here it goes back to iso 300
13:57.15Lava_Croftdude hands me the IMEI while saying "this is for when burocracy fails"
13:57.20qwazixslowly, but it does
13:57.35ZogG_laptopqwazix: i can try later. anyway it works with qtcreator
13:57.50ZogG_laptopqwazix: try to make clean and build again
13:58.00ZogG_laptopand uninstall it from phone btw before
13:58.32qwazixZogG_laptop, why it works perfect? It was before your changes that it didn't work
13:58.41qwazixs/?/!/
13:59.34ZogG_laptopqwazix: i'm confused. does it work now?
14:00.00ZogG_laptopand if not what error and how you start? what is output in qtcreator and in console
14:00.13chem|stZogG_laptop: so it would actually play with ffmpegcolorspace but for some reason it does not!?
14:00.18qwazixI haven't been clear. sry. Now it works fine from qtCreator. Both builds and runs as user.
14:00.42ZogG_laptopqwazix: =)
14:01.07ZogG_laptopqwazix: you wanna try to build on OBS?
14:01.21qwazixyeah, why not
14:01.43chem|stZogG_laptop: got no video...
14:02.02ZogG_laptopchem|st: it needs decoder, you need to know what to decode and where to pass, it's like links of encoding/decoding and output to screen
14:02.05ZogG_laptoppipeline
14:02.14ZogG_laptopchem|st: i got a video =)
14:02.30chem|stso ffmpeg is needed for decoderbin
14:02.47ZogG_laptopchem|st: i think we need simply to register plugin, or check if it has more info on tracker of working files?
14:02.53ZogG_laptopdo you have onethat works in stock?
14:03.10chem|stno
14:03.36ZogG_laptopit might be a problem they use as output not xv but dsp or how it calls
14:03.38chem|stit does try to decode but does not decode
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14:03.58ZogG_laptopi mean do you have other format video?
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14:04.02ZogG_laptopthat actually works
14:04.06chem|stbut then it would work with ovp as that is not using dsp
14:04.06ZogG_laptopor anyone here?
14:04.26chem|stZogG_laptop: those mp4 and a wmv
14:04.31chem|stthey play
14:04.39ZogG_laptopi think we need to register plugin but we dont have gst-register. or it's something tracker uses to set the decoder
14:05.03ZogG_laptopchem|st: can you check them with tracker-info and see if there is extra info there related ^
14:07.40chem|stZogG_laptop: codec
14:08.09chem|stbut it seems to set the audio decoder with codec
14:08.18ZogG_laptopchem|st: it uses both
14:08.24ZogG_laptopi didn't try audio btw
14:09.08ZogG_laptopbtw with decoder output we can see what it uses. but it's complicated, as i have no idea how it really works, as i used google to find out decodebin
14:09.21chem|stcodec is audio
14:09.33chem|ston those mp4 it is some EAC-3
14:09.45chem|stand the wmv shows some WMA Version 8
14:10.18ZogG_laptopchem|st: http://pastebin.com/WzvpPeTi
14:10.21chem|stthere is no difference
14:10.28ZogG_laptopi think last lines are reversed order pipeline
14:10.43chem|stapart of codec which is audio
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14:30.35qwazixZogG_laptop, so where do I start toward appsformeego? It seems it is still down
14:31.46ZogG_laptopqwazix: did u get account on build.meego.com
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14:36.00qwazixZogG_laptop, X-Fade just said that he enabled my credentials from meego.com but I don't seem to be able to log in
14:36.37ZogG_laptopfor apps4meego
14:36.55ZogG_laptopi think
14:37.42qwazixok, I got it
14:38.07ZogG_laptopoh it's for build too
14:38.31ZogG_laptopdid you loged in?
14:39.00qwazixyeah, I needed to go to build.pub.meego.com
14:39.27ZogG_laptopyap, than to home project and than to repositories
14:39.32Lava_Crofthttps://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1puL4xSb8sGGHMWOqNTFej8P9_vo2l7PA6qmAKAvm6ZzUhF9K7zjbK96oEU-DTFrMxO2d0lcpuxd28TRtNi21hYg/2012-07-17-0206_2.jpg?psid=1
14:39.38Lava_Croftthats some pretty pureview kitty!
14:40.08qwazixok, I created a subproject, is that correct?
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14:41.11ZogG_laptopqwazix: nope
14:41.16ZogG_laptopyou need specific repo
14:41.27qwazixok, what do I choose? Meego 1.2?
14:41.51ZogG_laptopgot to repositories -> add repository -> via advanced interface (link in top)
14:42.05qwazixok
14:42.14ZogG_laptopProject:
14:42.15ZogG_laptopRepository:
14:42.23ZogG_laptop<PROTECTED>
14:42.43ZogG_laptoptype MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan in project field
14:43.07ZogG_laptopand than you can choose Maemo.org_MeeGo....
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14:45.05qwazixok
14:45.11qwazixarch?
14:45.23qwazixarm7?
14:45.25ZogG_laptoparmv7el
14:45.53qwazixand I choose whatever name I want or is there a naming scheme?
14:46.08ZogG_laptopi left it as it is
14:46.14ZogG_laptopbut i don't think it's matter
14:46.33ZogG_laptopmine is MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard (armv7el)
14:46.43qwazixok, I chose qwazix_repo
14:46.47qwazixit seems ok
14:46.51ZogG_laptopwithout (armv7..)
14:47.15qwazixnow?
14:47.51ZogG_laptopnow in Overview create package
14:49.19ZogG_laptop?
14:49.25qwazixok, did that
14:49.47ZogG_laptopnow install osc
14:49.56qwazix~osc
14:49.56infobotrumour has it, osc is Open Sound Control
14:50.05ZogG_laptopnope
14:50.08qwazixprobably not this ^
14:51.14qwazixhttp://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers/CLI_Part_1#OSC_Installation
14:51.17qwazixthis?
14:51.26ZogG_laptop<PROTECTED>
14:51.41ZogG_laptopyes
14:51.56ZogG_laptopbut this instraction for fedora or meego itself, it's rpm
14:52.03ZogG_laptopcheck in your repos of your distro
14:52.09qwazixdone
14:54.09ZogG_laptopqwazix: http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS#Start_building
14:54.58ZogG_laptopqwazix: add files dsc tar.gz that are made with script generate-obs-source
14:55.20qwazixok
14:56.13ZogG_laptopand for apps4meego you need screenshots and icon
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15:00.11qwazixwhat apiurl should I put in oscrc config
15:00.21qwazixapi.meego.com or api.pub.meego.com?
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15:01.08ZogG_laptopi never touched it
15:01.12ZogG_laptopi just added repo
15:01.17ZogG_laptopentered created dir
15:01.27ZogG_laptopand added files and than commited
15:01.55ZogG_laptopjust commands in link i sent
15:02.33qwazixok, it works if I use interactive auth
15:02.49qwazixit gives 401 if I edit .oscrc file...
15:03.25ZogG_laptopso don't edit )
15:03.35qwazixok
15:03.43ZogG_laptopyou need to enter password once anyway
15:04.39qwazixhm, I have qtsdk installed in /opt, shall I edit your script?
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15:08.10qwazixehm, how do I save and exit in vi?
15:09.56qwazixZZ
15:15.50ZogG_laptopqwazix:  :x
15:16.29ZogG_laptopqwazix: sure you need, you need to point it right, i just has it in ~/
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15:20.15qwazixIt seems it built
15:20.48qwazixbut I see some things I don't like
15:20.54ZogG_laptoplike?
15:20.58qwazixlike a kernel panic :P
15:21.03ZogG_laptoplink me to your repo
15:21.12ZogG_laptopkernel panic i think it's ok
15:21.27ZogG_laptopall you care is if deb was made and if it succeed or fail
15:21.36qwazixdeb seems to be out
15:22.01qwazixlet's test
15:23.36ZogG_laptop=)
15:23.53ZogG_laptopif it works right, you need to submit to apps4meego repo
15:24.27ZogG_laptopbut just wait till its up
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15:27.46qwazixit seems that rzr's version number is understood as greater than mine
15:28.13heymaster-laptophow to check with Qt is network is reachable ?
15:28.14heymaster-laptop:)
15:30.56qwazixhands ZogG_laptop a beer
15:31.13qwazixThanks :) it works!
15:31.44qwazixI'll push to apps4meego, but tomorrow I'm leaving for vacation so I don't know when that'll be
15:32.24ZogG_laptop=)
15:32.33ZogG_laptopqwazix: read at wiki to wich repo to push
15:32.42qwazixok
15:32.43ZogG_laptopand about screenshots and icon
15:32.54ZogG_laptopyou need to add them there
15:33.17qwazixbummer is that before when pc crashed, I lost sources of my icon and I have to make it again, (I have only 80x80 png)
15:33.32heymaster-laptopqwazix: you made app for contest ?
15:33.33heymaster-laptop:)
15:33.48qwazixheymaster-laptop, yep, wanna try it?
15:34.19heymaster-laptopqwazix: don't own any harmattan devices :) Writing app to try to win device :)
15:34.34heymaster-laptopso sorry can't try at this moment :)
15:34.56qwazixheymaster-laptop, good luck, hope there's some stiff competition ;)
15:35.08qwazixs/;)/:)/
15:35.30heymaster-laptop:)
15:35.46qwazixwhat's your app?
15:36.23heymaster-laptopat least for now i don't have anything, just learning. don't know if i finish that app :)
15:36.34heymaster-laptopso don't have anything to show
15:36.36ZogG_laptopu will
15:36.48heymaster-laptopZogG_laptop: thanks
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15:37.39qwazixheymaster-laptop, qt is a lovely dev-env so you'll learn fast
15:38.33heymaster-laptopqwazix: don't know. looks like for iPhone is most easier to develop :P
15:38.41heymaster-laptop:)
15:38.50qwazixheymaster-laptop, don't have a mac so I wouldn
15:38.52qwazixt know
15:39.10qwazixI have played a little with android and a bit with symbian
15:39.15qwazixI don
15:39.29qwazixshit, bad fingers
15:39.41heymaster-laptopI like objc more than cpp. cpp very big language.. hard to master
15:39.47qwazixI don't want to see any of those again in front of me :)
15:40.34heymaster-laptopandroid and symbian ?
15:40.48heymaster-laptopyou can develop with Qt for Symbian :)
15:42.24qwazixYes that is what I was trying to do, but I had to tap into symbian cpp for things qt didn't supprt
15:42.50heymaster-laptopnever tried but thinking symbian cpp sucks :)
15:42.55qwazixThe guy who made symbian cpp must have had serious hatred for the worlds developers
15:43.24qwazixIt doesn't suck, in fact it is robust and very powerful
15:43.45qwazixbut the guy thought that documentation is for noobs, and names must be as cryptic as possible
15:44.05heymaster-laptop:)
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15:50.46Sazpaimon__what's with the PR1.3 openmode kernel?
15:50.55Sazpaimon__is it just the PR1.2 kernel with the version number changed?
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18:11.15befordis it possible to register filetype/uris to use a third party app'
18:14.21befordI think i found it
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20:26.54gabriel9is it possible to edit qml while app is running
20:27.00gabriel9with qt creator
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20:39.54djszapi_any native English speaker lurking around?
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20:43.06mystinthe Drive app does speech, and I see there's a package called "gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech" installed. Can I do text-to-speech from an app I write for the N9 with any of this? (I've seen stuff from 2010 suggesting to install espeak or festival from third-party repos)
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20:50.07azeemmystin: I doubt Drive is using gstreamer for test-to-speech, this is a cross-platform (shared with symbian) feature I guess
20:50.11azeembut not sure
20:50.32mystinazeem: I wasn't sure whether what Drive does is internal to Drive or available to other apps
20:50.39mystinand I don't know how to find out, so I thought I'd ask :)
20:50.58azeemyou can try to see whether it's in the Drive QML code
20:51.29dm8tbrdrive uses prerecorded files
20:52.25azeemreally?
20:52.33azeemeven for street names?
20:53.00dm8tbrdoes it do street names nowadays? my N950 is stuck with PR1.1
20:53.06mystindm8tbr: ah, I wondered if it did. I couldn't remember whether it ever said things like street names; I know it says the names of UK major roads, but they might be pre-recorded
20:53.18azeemdm8tbr: depends on the voice pack, not all languages have it
20:53.21azeembut mine does
20:53.27mystinand I can't work out how to test whether it does street names without going out and driving around ;)
20:53.37azeemmystin: heh
20:54.12azeemif I set it to any destination and GPS is tracked, it will tell the next street to turn at
20:54.16mystinif street names are dependent on the language pack, though, that suggests that it's still glued-together pre-recorded samples, not proper speech synthesis
20:54.49azeemit gets one street name wrong in my hometown
20:55.05azeemsame for the symbian app btw, IIRC
20:56.41mystinok, so... sounds like I can't steal the Drive app's speech ;)
20:56.47mystinis there another way to do speech?
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20:58.14mystinthat gstreamer nokia-speech package has a bunch of gst plugins, but I'm not sure how to test what they do, because I don't have gst-inspect on the n9, or the gst python bindings, so experimenting is difficult
20:59.10azeemmystin: well, check whether drive-qml depends on it
20:59.40mystinhm
20:59.48mystin$ apt-cache rdepends gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech gstreamer0.10-nokia-speech Reverse Depends:   mp-harmattan-001-pr   mp-harmattan-001-pr
21:00.20azeemif it's a default package, they might be liberal with pacakge dependencies
21:00.29mystinlooks like it's part of the base system
21:05.38mystinnokia drive is *pure* qml??
21:06.30djszapi_what do you mean by pure qml?
21:06.46mystinit doesn't depend on some sort of compiled nokia-drive package
21:06.56mystinthe whole thing is qml and javascript?
21:07.00mystinthat's amazing, if so.
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21:12.21mystinrtfs
21:19.11mystinhrm.
21:19.39mystinThere is a Guidance component which has a navigateRoute method which sounds useful, but it's not defined anywhere... so I assume it's in MapsPlugin, whatever that is
21:23.33azeemmystin: no, there's /usr/bin/drive
21:23.44azeemthe code is C, the UI is QML AIUI
21:23.54mystinnot for me there isn't?
21:24.12azeemdrive-qml?
21:24.17mystinah, drive-qml :)
21:24.30azeemhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85353
21:24.41azeemfor some community mods on the QML
21:26.48mystiniteresting
21:27.18mystinI can't for the life of me find anything in the QML that does the speech stuff, though, so I think that's either in the compiled app or in some other library I haven't found
21:28.21azeemremembers he copied the QML to his notebook and takes a look
21:30.12azeemmystin: grep for voice, not speech
21:30.26mystinyeah, there's plenty of stuff to download new voices
21:30.40mystinbut I can't find anything that actually *uses* the voice stuff to speak some text
21:30.44mystinunless I'm missing it
21:31.17azeemyeah, it could well be that this is in the core
21:31.24azeemthe actual routing etc. is as well
21:45.39gabriel9do anyone know what component is used in Contacts for fields?
21:45.51gabriel9some of them have buttons on side
21:46.54gabriel9:D they are buttons
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22:15.10gabriel9row in columns or columns in rows :D
22:15.17gabriel9that is the question :)
22:18.42parows in columns :)
22:18.53pabut i realized rows suck in qml
22:19.07pa(depending what u wanna do, ofc)
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