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| 01:57.52 | ieatlint | anyone have any experience with the DocumentGalleryModel? is based on QDocumentGallery, and am using it to display the phone's images |
| 01:58.10 | ieatlint | loads them all fine and displays them, but the "orientation" attribute/property is always 0 |
| 01:58.36 | ieatlint | so i can't detect which images were taken at a 90 degree rotation versus regular portrait |
| 01:59.44 | ieatlint | err, the other thing, landscape, heh |
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| 02:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: you think the QDocumentGallery "orientation" attribute/property might get filled by err what... those camera generated additional photo info bits which the name of I forgot? |
| 02:21.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably will have to move that from one to the other in object constructor |
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| 02:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather expect to see the display actually rotate 90° when setting this QDocumentGallery "orientation" attribute/property to anything but 0 |
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| 02:29.22 | ieatlint | well, i'm just using the provided qtmobility qml implementation of it, not my own model |
| 02:29.37 | ieatlint | it gives me file name, path and the exif timestamp of the photo |
| 02:29.48 | ieatlint | the orientation should be the exif provided orientation... |
| 02:30.11 | ieatlint | but instead, always 0.. not sure where i would otherwise provide it without reimplementing the whole model |
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| 03:46.34 | itsnotabigtruck | which countries drink a lot of espresso, apart from italy? |
| 03:46.47 | itsnotabigtruck | neat espresso, that is, not lattes and stuff |
| 03:47.08 | hiemanshu | america i think? |
| 03:47.33 | itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu: nah, hardly anyone in the us drinks espresso neat |
| 03:47.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i do but i'm hardly anyone :p |
| 03:48.12 | hiemanshu | no idea |
| 03:48.16 | hiemanshu | I drink a lot of too |
| 03:48.43 | hiemanshu | but sadly too much blood in my black coffee stream :/ |
| 03:48.56 | itsnotabigtruck | i think the french usually do brewed coffee |
| 03:49.08 | itsnotabigtruck | often mixed with milk |
| 03:49.42 | itsnotabigtruck | starbucks made lattes and other milky espresso drinks popular in the us in the 90s |
| 03:49.59 | itsnotabigtruck | and lol |
| 03:52.14 | itsnotabigtruck | actually looks like espresso is standard in .fr |
| 03:53.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it's tricky because the coffee terminology doesn't carry over from language to language |
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| 03:55.53 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 03:56.36 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, i was searching and i found another page that contradicts that |
| 03:56.47 | itsnotabigtruck | whatever, who knows |
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| 05:02.55 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: sup |
| 05:03.09 | beford | hi |
| 05:03.11 | beford | ZogG_laptop |
| 05:03.34 | ZogG_laptop | hey |
| 05:03.56 | ZogG_laptop | beford: i saw you going to write something location related for contest |
| 05:04.24 | ZogG_laptop | beford: oh, you as MacOS user, is TextMate that good? |
| 05:07.10 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: not a lot |
| 05:07.22 | beford | never used it |
| 05:07.38 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: haven't talked to you for a while :/ |
| 05:08.00 | beford | got TextWrangler from the appstore, it was free, nothing can't beat that |
| 05:08.29 | ZogG_laptop | beford: it TextMate went opensource today |
| 05:09.02 | beford | well that beats free |
| 05:09.03 | beford | :P |
| 05:09.57 | beford | I could give it a try to compile it if it works on 10.6.8 with an out of date xcode, or I'll have to wait until I get the new os |
| 05:11.58 | ZogG_laptop | slave |
| 05:12.03 | ZogG_laptop | beford: linux!!!! |
| 05:12.08 | beford | no way |
| 05:12.09 | beford | xD |
| 05:12.23 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: yeah, i haven't been on that much |
| 05:12.29 | itsnotabigtruck | working full time isn't helping |
| 05:12.37 | itsnotabigtruck | usually you guys are off by the time i'm on |
| 05:12.56 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: don't say so, you always make me on :) |
| 05:13.07 | beford | :ultra gay: |
| 05:13.31 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 05:13.36 | ZogG_laptop | beford: you doing it wrong — «ultragay.png» |
| 05:18.24 | beford | I like the gif version http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/286/095/be7.gif |
| 05:18.25 | beford | :P |
| 05:24.06 | ZogG_laptop | is off to shower and school :P |
| 05:47.47 | hiemanshu | beford: use Sublime Text |
| 05:53.46 | heymaster | after textmate open sourced i heard about sublime :) |
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| 06:12.25 | hiemanshu | I have been using sublime for a while, pretty awesome |
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| 06:16.52 | pa | shit |
| 06:17.29 | pa | how do i explain or specify, on the store, that my app requires PR1.3 or 1.2? |
| 06:17.42 | pa | the nokia guy tested it with 001 and it failed |
| 06:17.51 | ZogG_laptop | pa: you may write in the comment |
| 06:17.58 | pa | do they get it? |
| 06:18.02 | ZogG_laptop | it might be possible that you have option in publish |
| 06:18.06 | ZogG_laptop | i don't remember |
| 06:18.10 | pa | i havent seen |
| 06:19.15 | ZogG_laptop | where you chose region and all that stuff |
| 06:19.23 | ZogG_laptop | afaik i remember |
| 06:23.18 | jonni | pa: you can Depends: a package version which is only in pr1.3 or 1.2, that way ovi store client forces the upgrade of firmware |
| 06:23.43 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: morning |
| 06:23.49 | jonni | morning |
| 06:24.36 | pa | ah |
| 06:24.40 | pa | do you know one? |
| 06:25.29 | jonni | depends what you want, pr1.2+ ? |
| 06:25.45 | pa | hm ok.. even tho i tested it only on 1.3 |
| 06:26.07 | jonni | or do you want to force 1.3 only? |
| 06:26.08 | pa | maybe 1.3 |
| 06:26.11 | pa | yes |
| 06:26.15 | ZogG_laptop | pa: make depend on harmattan-pr-1.3 :) |
| 06:26.23 | pa | and then if i get to text it on 1.2, i will change |
| 06:26.30 | pa | s/text/test |
| 06:26.44 | jonni | dont make it dependant on harmattan-pr-1.3, that will break n950 |
| 06:26.55 | ZogG_laptop | btw OVI still has problems with versions and updates |
| 06:27.11 | jonni | ohwell you will break n950 with Depends anyways, unless you only want pr1.2+ depency |
| 06:27.13 | pa | hm ok lets try 1.2 |
| 06:27.26 | pa | well n950 is not a big deal |
| 06:27.34 | pa | whos gonna use sportstracker on n950 anyway |
| 06:27.49 | ZogG_laptop | pa: did you wrote sportstracker? |
| 06:27.59 | ZogG_laptop | lemme see lemme see lemme see !!! :P |
| 06:28.12 | pa | well if only nokia would QA pass it.. |
| 06:29.08 | pa | so Build-Depends: harmattan-pr-1.3 ? |
| 06:29.38 | jonni | I would not depend on that one, just wait a bit and I dig out a better one |
| 06:29.58 | pa | ah ok thanks |
| 06:30.59 | pa | is it possible that it fails on 1.1 because of the qml QtQuick 1.1, com.nokia.meego 1.1 and com.nokia.extras 1.1? |
| 06:31.22 | Elleo | you might want to set up the emulator with a 1.1 image and test it yourself |
| 06:31.43 | Elleo | I had someone from nokia QA fail one of my apps as not being compatible with 1.1, turned out they'd just made a mistake when testing it |
| 06:31.51 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: sup |
| 06:32.31 | Elleo | seems that 1.1 doesn't have pyside stuff in the repos on a clean image, so it claims python based things are uninstallable unless you let it do an apt-get update first |
| 06:32.37 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: hey |
| 06:36.07 | jonni | pa: Depends: libqt4 (>= 4.7.4~git20120112-0maemo1+0m7) |
| 06:36.42 | jonni | pa: that way it forces atleast PR1.2 |
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| 06:37.53 | jonni | pa: (and also would work on latest N950 pr1.2 beta) |
| 06:38.21 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: made diff to kernels, a lot of patches there :P |
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| 06:40.43 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: cat nokia.patch |wc -l = 638692 |
| 06:41.24 | ZogG_laptop | what you say, wich version i should go with :P |
| 06:42.07 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: heh, then maybe you should stay on current nokia version, and backport wanted features on top of that one :) |
| 06:42.29 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: are we searching for easy answers :P |
| 06:42.39 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.51 | ZogG_laptop | that was right way to go, right? |
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| 06:47.52 | pa | jonni, thanks |
| 06:50.57 | pa | hm |
| 06:51.10 | pa | with that string dpkg-buildpackage complains about unallowed characters |
| 06:53.51 | jonni | pa: Depends: libqt4 (>= 4.7.4~git20120112) |
| 06:54.26 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: how bad is it to get "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!" ? |
| 06:54.59 | pa | same.. |
| 06:55.18 | pa | :-1: error: Packaging Error: Command dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 3 |
| 06:56.30 | pa | actually even with >= 4.7.4 it fails |
| 06:56.32 | pa | wtf.. |
| 06:56.38 | pa | qtcreator.. |
| 06:56.46 | ZogG_laptop | stupid me |
| 06:56.51 | ZogG_laptop | i did it wrong :) |
| 06:57.22 | jonni | pa: Depends: libqt4 (>=4.7.4~git20120112) |
| 06:57.27 | jonni | maybe the space was too much :) |
| 06:57.37 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: usually means that you have diffed wrong versions |
| 06:57.57 | pa | it seems its not the space |
| 06:58.14 | jonni | pa: or you need to use scratchbox |
| 06:58.44 | pa | heh |
| 06:58.55 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i did it right, i just for no reason applied patch to the nokia patched version :p |
| 07:01.07 | jonni | pa: or you just have some other typo in you control file, pastebin is one option :). Anyways I always use sb to make releases, so I havent tested version depencies on qtcreator |
| 07:03.49 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think i'll fail to patch it :P too messy :P but i'll try to patch whatever it will succeed |
| 07:05.51 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: did you make patch agains 2.6.32, or against 2.6.32.54 kernel? ;) |
| 07:06.15 | jonni | as you wc -l sounds a bit big :) |
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| 07:19.00 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: 2.6.32 :) |
| 07:19.28 | jonni | heh, fail |
| 07:19.43 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: 2.6.32.54 is rc-what? |
| 07:20.01 | hiemanshu | ZogG_laptop: 32.54 will be 32.54 :P |
| 07:20.38 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: jonni https://github.com/torvalds/linux/tags?after=v2.6.34-rc2 |
| 07:22.03 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: it's the tags linus uses :P |
| 07:24.00 | ZogG_laptop | ok found it |
| 07:24.09 | ZogG_laptop | getting it from kernel.org |
| 07:24.19 | ZogG_laptop | github was mistake ._. |
| 07:25.26 | hiemanshu | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/longterm/v2.6.32/ |
| 07:25.27 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 07:25.29 | hiemanshu | lol |
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| 07:30.53 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: cat nokia.patch |wc -l = 555283 |
| 07:32.26 | hiemanshu | finally replacement N950 shipped :D |
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| 09:43.29 | TheBootroo | hi |
| 09:44.47 | TheBootroo | on a NOkia N9, PR1.3, the following code QImage img = contactInfo.detail<QContactThumbnail>().thumbnail(); // return an empty image even on contacts which have a thumbnail image |
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| 10:05.55 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: sup :P |
| 10:06.20 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, ? |
| 10:06.36 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: asking you "how are you?" |
| 10:06.42 | ZogG_laptop | ~sup |
| 10:06.42 | infobot | Yo zogg_laptop, how's it going eh? |
| 10:06.53 | ZogG_laptop | heh |
| 10:06.54 | khertan_ | :) a bit tired |
| 10:06.59 | jussi | is n9 rm696 or rm680 ? |
| 10:07.16 | ZogG_laptop | jussi rm696 i think as 680 is n950 |
| 10:07.24 | jussi | ZogG_laptop: great, thanks |
| 10:07.27 | ZogG_laptop | ~rm680 |
| 10:07.32 | khertan_ | trying to understand why my pc mainboard ethernet isn't working anymore |
| 10:07.37 | jussi | and what are the default user/pass for harmattan? |
| 10:07.39 | khertan_ | maybe the bios flash kill it |
| 10:07.47 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: updated something lately? |
| 10:08.00 | ZogG_laptop | jussi: there are no, you trying to ssh? |
| 10:08.10 | jussi | ZogG_laptop: yes |
| 10:08.38 | ZogG_laptop | jussi: set the developer-tools and ssh to developer@PHONE_IP |
| 10:09.02 | ZogG_laptop | the password would be in SDK Connective mode or something like that in apps |
| 10:09.22 | jussi | ok |
| 10:09.23 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: you flashed bios? |
| 10:09.34 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: update or what was the reason? |
| 10:09.34 | jussi | ZogG_laptop: Ill have a look, thanks |
| 10:09.45 | ZogG_laptop | jussi: i think it's in wiki |
| 10:09.54 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, reason was a bug in bios preventing using vte |
| 10:09.58 | jussi | (been playing with nemo too long, cant remember the harmattan stuff :D ) |
| 10:10.09 | ZogG_laptop | jussi: you could change password for user with passwd but not sure if it will allow you to ssh |
| 10:13.47 | khertan_ | ZogG_laptop, it does |
| 10:13.55 | khertan_ | i always use user |
| 10:16.18 | ZogG_laptop | jussi: than go with passwd |
| 10:16.53 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_: i use developer as i setted passwrodless access with keys thru qtcreator and didn't bother to do the same for user |
| 10:17.16 | ZogG_laptop | it doesn't matter if i type user or developer as both i need to type :P |
| 10:18.17 | pa | jonni, so like this it works http://codepad.org/jaKSuhNU , but if i add the () part, it complains. i was also thinkning of leaving it like that, and adding the control using ar? could that be an option? |
| 10:20.53 | pa | >= 4 works, >=4.7 does not |
| 10:26.45 | jonni | pa: your example will atleast never work, since you only have autofilled fields in Depends line, which is automaticly filled depending on your env |
| 10:27.08 | jonni | which autofills pr1.0 versions |
| 10:28.06 | pa | hm |
| 10:28.56 | pa | ah so there is where i should put it. but yes, it is automatically generated by qtcreator |
| 10:29.08 | pa | hm not |
| 10:29.11 | pa | , let me try then |
| 10:29.13 | jonni | you need to replace ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, ie look what it resolvs to from ready .deb file, and then append that qt depency to the end |
| 10:29.30 | pa | yep now it works |
| 10:29.55 | pa | actually it works also without replacing |
| 10:31.34 | pa | hm |
| 10:31.46 | pa | this is weeird: meetrainer depends on libqt4 (>= 4.7.4-git20120112-0maemo1+0m7); however: Version of libqt4 on system is 4.7.4~git20120327-0maemo1+0m8. |
| 10:32.42 | pa | aha |
| 10:32.44 | pa | the tilde |
| 10:33.45 | pa | good now it works :) thanks jonni ! |
| 10:35.59 | ZogG_laptop | pa: so you wrote sportstracker app? |
| 10:36.24 | pa | yes |
| 10:36.56 | pa | now i need to add some charting to it |
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| 10:42.37 | pa | (which by the way sportstracker doesnt have on harmattan) |
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| 10:55.21 | khertan_desktop | ZogG_laptop, i recover mainboard |
| 10:55.31 | ZogG_laptop | khertan_desktop: \o/ |
| 10:55.32 | khertan_desktop | look like the last firmware from asus has other nasty bugs |
| 10:55.34 | ZogG_laptop | what was the problemm |
| 10:55.56 | khertan_desktop | hopefully i ve made a backup of my bios before flashing |
| 10:56.21 | khertan_desktop | anyway still not vte |
| 10:56.23 | khertan_desktop | :( |
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| 11:05.55 | ZogG_laptop | hugs khertan_desktop |
| 11:06.06 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: sup |
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| 11:09.30 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, sup |
| 11:09.46 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: how is your phone? |
| 11:10.02 | Hurrian | my Harmattan or Fremantle one? |
| 11:10.09 | ZogG_laptop | both :P |
| 11:10.10 | Hurrian | it's fine, if lacking apps. |
| 11:10.19 | ZogG_laptop | apps like? |
| 11:10.47 | Hurrian | My Fremantle phone's running some testing crap, and being used as a beside web browser ;) |
| 11:11.56 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, emulators and a video website client. |
| 11:12.19 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i think there is emulator |
| 11:12.32 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: did you port your emulator to Harmattan? |
| 11:12.57 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: and what video website clietns, there are few for youtube |
| 11:13.19 | ZogG_laptop | and there is gpodder for podcast)including videos) and there is 2 clients for TED |
| 11:13.28 | ZogG_laptop | and TED is awesome site btw :P |
| 11:13.45 | Hurrian | wait, just pulled up a new google search. Seems that there's emumaster, and cutetube for Harmattan. |
| 11:14.43 | ZogG_laptop | yes |
| 11:15.07 | ZogG_laptop | youtude-dl and youtube-hd and official youtube client on phone |
| 11:15.23 | ZogG_laptop | and emumaster is in ovi i think |
| 11:15.38 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: but you need to see the TED app :P |
| 11:16.09 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, the official YouTube client is a web shortcut. Ouch. |
| 11:16.46 | ZogG_laptop | it works, who cares |
| 11:17.04 | ZogG_laptop | i don't watch youtube anyways on phone |
| 11:17.15 | Hurrian | I still kinda miss cutetube on Fremantle's ability to download video/audio, which was nice to have. |
| 11:18.08 | Hurrian | Anybody else recommend decent native Harmattan games? |
| 11:18.19 | pa | by the way, no one interested in packaging snx for harmattan? |
| 11:19.04 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i have few games i can recommend :P |
| 11:19.52 | Hurrian | Cool. Hit me. |
| 11:20.32 | TheBootroo | QContact thumbnail on N9 anyone ? |
| 11:20.56 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: BrainParty port by thp :P SpeedX Gravity Guy, I must Run, Burn The City, Snuggle Truck, Mahjong, SwipeMeeOut, Unravel, Dilemma |
| 11:21.02 | ZogG_laptop | or and samurai2 is awesome |
| 11:21.06 | ZogG_laptop | Pocket RPG as well |
| 11:21.34 | ZogG_laptop | Gravity Guy and SpeedX samurai2 are the most awesome i say |
| 11:21.49 | Hurrian | Awesome, checking those out now. |
| 11:22.46 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: not sure if samurai2 is avilable :( but you can find it in internets. SpeedX is the first game on phone i ever bought :P |
| 11:23.05 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: you got n950 right? |
| 11:23.13 | Hurrian | Nah, N9. |
| 11:23.29 | ZogG_laptop | just wanted to say that daily use N9 is better imho :P |
| 11:23.46 | ZogG_laptop | s/daily/for daily/ |
| 11:24.23 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: btw did you install apps4meego already? |
| 11:24.24 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I've heard. Bad signal quality, HWKB bugs, not having gorilla glass and $2000 prototype. |
| 11:24.46 | ZogG_laptop | vi__ is selling his :( |
| 11:24.47 | Hurrian | nah, that repo's too bare for now, although I'll get around to it if I want to grab Numptyphysics |
| 11:25.32 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: still not there, and you are wrong, e.g. gpodder there for free and you have few good text editors and apps |
| 11:25.43 | Hurrian | O rly? Last I heard he didn't quite like Harmattan and put it back in the box. |
| 11:26.08 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I edit files with nano, but I'll check out the new stuff in A4M. |
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| 11:26.47 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: khertan made text editor and app for notes on clouds =) |
| 11:27.12 | Hurrian | Something like Evernote? If so, that would be nice. |
| 11:27.19 | ZogG_laptop | and you can help with QA reviewing to pull apps to stable |
| 11:27.31 | ZogG_laptop | there is Evernote for n9 btw :) |
| 11:28.51 | Hurrian | Thanks for the advice, I've been using my N9 just as a phone until late. |
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| 11:33.50 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: let's see, apps i recommend are FileBox, wazapp, Waze, Hellium, MeeCast(as well to set it as widget on feed screen instead of stock),MeeScan, Screenshootme, DropCache, battery Usage, fLPMC, FingerTerm,Eyrie, Fm Radio, LastFM, gPodder,Molome, irc-chatter |
| 11:35.47 | ZogG_laptop | oh and there is few apps to set calendar on feed :P |
| 11:35.59 | Hurrian | ZogG_Laptop, which FM radio app are you using? |
| 11:36.23 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: the first one was made, i think the best simple gui and it's free |
| 11:36.39 | Hurrian | Alright, cool. |
| 11:37.13 | ZogG_laptop | and i mean for radio radio and not internet radio |
| 11:38.38 | Hurrian | Alright, the Apps for MeeGo client ironically works and looks better than the Nokia Store client. |
| 11:38.39 | ZogG_laptop | as well i don't want to support them, when he took job of person who made it possible and made it for free, while others just make money on it |
| 11:38.51 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: install the testing repo |
| 11:39.04 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, doing right now for Helium |
| 11:39.18 | Hurrian | How could Nokia omit a UPNP client for a device with a UPNP server? |
| 11:39.20 | ZogG_laptop | enable it in settings and link meego.com account to apps.formeego.com to comment and QA review |
| 11:39.41 | Hurrian | whelp, time to sign up for a meego.com account. |
| 11:40.19 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: some apps might be in OVI as well, but updates popup in A4M faster and some of them free on A4M and paid on OVI |
| 11:40.32 | TheBootroo | anyone knows where to find the thumbnail image for a contact using Qt in Harmattan ? QContact thumbnail() returns an empty img ! |
| 11:44.37 | radiofree | TheBootroo: stored in nco:photo? |
| 11:45.24 | TheBootroo | radiofree: i dunno, in symbian i use QContact thumbnail and it work , but on harmattan this image is empty |
| 11:46.46 | TheBootroo | radiofree: i use the following code QImage img = contactInfo.detail<QContactThumbnail>().thumbnail(); |
| 11:47.13 | TheBootroo | radiofree: with contactInfo being a correct QContact (it has phone number and name) |
| 11:49.47 | radiofree | sounds like a bug |
| 11:50.06 | radiofree | you could read it directly from tracker, but it sounds like you don't want to do that :) |
| 11:51.00 | TheBootroo | radiofree: yeah i don't want to use other libs than Qt, will be annoying for deploy and test |
| 11:51.57 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, odd, I can't seem to login to the Apps for MeeGo client using my MeeGo.com account |
| 11:53.33 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: did you link it on site? and there was problem with none latin chars btw |
| 11:54.04 | Hurrian | There, seems to work now. Probably needed some time to link with SSO. |
| 11:55.04 | ZogG_laptop | mystics :P |
| 11:55.41 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: you are welcome to try and review my app as well btw :P |
| 11:56.40 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: and when u review, do not forget to mark the first question, as it actually wich counts and it's off by default and screws the review, so people need even more positive reviews after to get to stable =\ |
| 11:57.16 | Hurrian | Alright. Testing Helium to control my WMP. |
| 11:57.29 | Hurrian | I'll be testing other apps soon enough. |
| 11:57.57 | ZogG_laptop | khertan: you uploaded your app i see, and renamed it, gonna check and review it :P |
| 11:58.03 | Hurrian | Ooh, renderer control works. This is fancy. |
| 11:59.16 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: there is also plugin to use share menu for that :P |
| 11:59.29 | ZogG_laptop | thanks to phako ;) |
| 12:01.55 | phako | ? |
| 12:02.03 | phako | reads |
| 12:02.25 | ZogG_laptop | phako: we are talking how cool you are |
| 12:02.28 | phako | Hurrian: I know how they could but that's nda |
| 12:03.12 | Hurrian | phako, how what could? |
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| 12:03.47 | phako | "<Hurrian> How could Nokia omit a UPNP client for a device with a UPNP server?" |
| 12:03.53 | Hurrian | ah. |
| 12:04.05 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 12:04.15 | ZogG_laptop | phako: wasn't your app in ovi? |
| 12:04.18 | phako | TheBootroo: the thumbnails are cached in /home/user/.contacts |
| 12:04.31 | phako | ZogG_laptop: no. Just PushUp + TweakUp |
| 12:05.43 | ZogG_laptop | phako: they lose |
| 12:06.02 | phako | TheBootroo: I think |
| 12:06.26 | phako | ZogG_laptop: need to iron out the UX first |
| 12:07.01 | ZogG_laptop | phako: so with proper UI they'll get it? isn't it related to UPNP ? |
| 12:07.19 | phako | er what? |
| 12:07.21 | Hurrian | Hmm, UPNP file listing doesn't work for music. I remember it not working in Fremantle and my PS3 too, so let's try using a different UPNP server. |
| 12:08.32 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: afaik there is problem with PS3 |
| 12:09.12 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: so you have PS3 too ? OFW or CFW? |
| 12:09.28 | phako | TheBootroo: http://gitorious.org/qtcontacts-tracker/qtcontacts-tracker/blobs/master/src/lib/avatarutils.cpp |
| 12:09.36 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I was talking about listing files from UPNP server (Windows built-in). Both my PS3 and Fremantle have the problem, so I'm chalking it up to network or UPNP server implementation. |
| 12:10.25 | phako | Hurrian: nah, that should work |
| 12:10.29 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop: 3.55 debug-converted, with CFW. When I feel like playing my little girl games, I upgrade to 4.20, then when I feel like playing with Linux, I roll back to 3.55. |
| 12:10.44 | TheBootroo | phako: thk but i found a solution : use QContactAvatar.imageUrl() instead of QContact.detail<QContactThumbnail>(); |
| 12:10.57 | Hurrian | phako, I'll try other UPNP servers before filing a bug |
| 12:11.22 | phako | TheBootroo: Ah, there's a slight difference in avatar and thumbnail IIRC |
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| 12:11.36 | Hurrian | BTW, anyone else noticed bounce effect when flicking the volume slider in the renderer tab for Helium? |
| 12:11.47 | phako | Hurrian: yes. I know that |
| 12:14.12 | Hurrian | Alright, I'm happy with this. Just a tiny little niggle - when device icons are enabled, it takes up a whole column. |
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| 12:15.43 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: no linux on mine and no debug convertion :( |
| 12:16.15 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, get some sort of flasher, ASAP. It's worth the afternoon to do so. |
| 12:17.00 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: meh i just play on it. i have linux on laptop, pc , phone and going to get rpi soon. My GF is close to kill me anyway :P |
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| 12:23.59 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, your favorite game ISN'T Linux? ;) |
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| 12:25.26 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i wanted to get linux there, but than... what for? |
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| 12:27.34 | Hurrian | Decent web browser on a TV-size screen, playing with powerpc64 (anyone considering a Mer target for PPC?), and the cheapest "Gaming PC" you can get. |
| 12:27.39 | phako | because you can? ;) |
| 12:29.30 | ZogG_laptop | i don't play on pc actually |
| 12:29.49 | ZogG_laptop | though it would be nice to play starcraft2 there or both portals |
| 12:30.04 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop: gaming PC - playing with Linux, and reboot to play regular games. |
| 12:31.04 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: i don't play with linux that much nowdays, i want to learn few things i'm trying to play with, nothing more |
| 12:33.33 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I'm always curious during my free time. |
| 12:33.54 | Hurrian | back on #harmattan-related topic: MeeCast looks a lot better than the built in weather client. |
| 12:34.26 | Hurrian | Can I use this to completely replace Accuweather services? |
| 12:34.32 | phako | Hurrian: yes, you can |
| 12:34.44 | Hurrian | All of it, even event feed one? |
| 12:34.49 | phako | Hurrian: yup |
| 12:34.59 | Hurrian | Instant install. |
| 12:34.59 | phako | Hurrian: there's something in the options that explains you what to do |
| 12:35.08 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: even add it to lockscreen and to LPM screen :P |
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| 12:37.56 | Hurrian | ...and installing, just because Accuweather is a horribly-made app. This one looks sexy. |
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| 13:03.06 | radiofree | TheBootroo: well there's QtSparql for tracker access, but it's overkill just to get an image path... |
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| 13:58.30 | djszapi | Hi! Is the N9 totally unlocked for sim cards? |
| 13:58.35 | djszapi | I had the impression, it is. |
| 13:59.49 | vladest | upgrading n950 to pr1.3 |
| 13:59.56 | vladest | crossed fingers |
| 14:00.21 | phako | djszapi: I'd say this depends whether you bought a branded or not. |
| 14:00.30 | djszapi | unsure what you mean |
| 14:00.37 | djszapi | I have not ever bought any n9s |
| 14:03.05 | phako | well then if the N9 that fell of the truck was a branded one or not |
| 14:03.24 | djszapi | unsure what you mean |
| 14:04.50 | mgedmin | djszapi, he/she means that some N9 will be totally unlocked, and some N9 may be locked |
| 14:05.00 | mgedmin | e.g. the one I have is totally unlocked |
| 14:05.19 | mgedmin | I do not know for sure if carriers can sim-lock the ones they sell with contracts |
| 14:05.54 | mgedmin | looks at /whois and decides 'Jens' is probably a 'he' :) |
| 14:07.01 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: and how did it go? |
| 14:07.47 | vladest | ZogG_laptop: rebooting |
| 14:08.25 | vladest | f&^&*k |
| 14:08.45 | Hurrian | vladest, it seems that N950 no-warranty notice is preserved through the PR1.3 upgrade |
| 14:09.08 | vladest | oh wait |
| 14:09.34 | ZogG_laptop | and.... |
| 14:09.35 | vladest | loaded |
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| 14:10.10 | vladest | how to check if its really updated? |
| 14:10.40 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: in settings or maybe kernel version |
| 14:12.02 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, I doubt kernel in N950 and N9 is same |
| 14:12.07 | vladest | ok, got non warranty disclaimer |
| 14:12.29 | vladest | anyway /me waiting for another 2 N9's |
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| 14:13.35 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: what for? and is it pr1.3 for n950 or hdirty update? |
| 14:13.52 | Hurrian | vladest, just a question, is the HWKB bug in N950 that bad? |
| 14:14.20 | ZogG_laptop | i dont use n950 much but i experienced it and it is |
| 14:14.55 | vladest | ZogG_laptop: what for what? |
| 14:15.04 | djszapi | mgedmin: do I really need to repeat "unsure what you mean"? |
| 14:15.10 | vladest | Hurrian: not sure I aware of the bug |
| 14:15.11 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: ? |
| 14:15.19 | djszapi | I have told it is not coming from any operator, but directly from Nokia. |
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| 14:15.36 | djszapi | second, "keeping repeating that once is locked the other is uncloked" is a bit useless |
| 14:15.38 | vladest | ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptopvladest: what for? |
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| 14:15.49 | djszapi | if you have no more information, just say that, it is ok to not know this... |
| 14:16.04 | vladest | ZogG_laptop: its not official update using tweaks |
| 14:16.24 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: oh, that's what i wanted to know |
| 14:16.27 | Hurrian | djszapi, if you're getting a device from Nokia, it isn't locked |
| 14:16.38 | ZogG_laptop | vladest: i just thought to update mine but why to bother ) |
| 14:16.38 | phako | djszapi: then the fuck ask "is MY n9 completely unlocked" |
| 14:16.40 | djszapi | yes, like I said, that was my impression |
| 14:16.44 | vladest | thats makes sense |
| 14:16.47 | djszapi | Hurrian: thanks |
| 14:16.49 | phako | not if the N9s are completely unlocked |
| 14:16.54 | djszapi | phako: good luck on my ignore list |
| 14:16.58 | phako | finally |
| 14:17.30 | Hurrian | *NOTE: I assume you were referring to network operator lock. Some people may be asking about Aegis ;) |
| 14:17.31 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 14:17.38 | mgedmin | (please excuse me for failing to read your mind -- or the entire IRC backlog where you may have mentioned that you received an N9 from Nokia) |
| 14:17.47 | phako | Hurrian: oh no, don't go there |
| 14:17.49 | ZogG_laptop | i got confused what's going on and what the girls are fighting about? |
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| 14:18.16 | phako | ZogG_laptop: I asked what mgedmin asked in a slightly less polite way |
| 14:18.26 | vladest | ahha. about product -> version: pr1.3 |
| 14:18.37 | mgedmin | didn't ask anything! |
| 14:18.43 | phako | er said |
| 14:18.47 | mgedmin | also didn't curse :) |
| 14:18.55 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: sup |
| 14:18.59 | mgedmin | o/ |
| 14:19.03 | ZogG_laptop | \o/ |
| 14:19.07 | phako | mgedmin: Alredy said I was less polite ;) |
| 14:19.09 | pa | they closed demonoid.. ;( |
| 14:19.31 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin: didn't see yoou around for a while |
| 14:19.39 | ZogG_laptop | pa: so? |
| 14:19.46 | mgedmin | eh, I'm usually lurking quietly |
| 14:20.53 | ZogG_laptop | mgedmin are you a ninja? |
| 14:21.18 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: mazal tov on N9 |
| 14:21.31 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: didn't you have one or few before? |
| 14:21.46 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: sorry, I am busy now. |
| 14:21.51 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 14:22.14 | ZogG_laptop | i would make a joke but i think people are not in the mood here |
| 14:25.36 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: correct, I am not much in a mood for that, unfortunately. |
| 14:26.18 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: other day :) just smile and everything would be ok |
| 14:26.29 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: cannot without internet connection for the weekend |
| 14:26.44 | djszapi | and the sim card provider is not just unhelpful, and they blame my N9 |
| 14:26.47 | djszapi | for not working. |
| 14:26.53 | djszapi | I am fully sure it is unlocked |
| 14:26.57 | djszapi | they keep repeating that might be a problem |
| 14:27.10 | djszapi | is just* |
| 14:27.14 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: what is the problem excatly and did it work on other n9 or n950 or other phone? |
| 14:27.21 | djszapi | I do not have other. |
| 14:28.05 | djszapi | it is really stupid hard to get connected to the internet in Ireland. |
| 14:28.08 | djszapi | kinda unbeliavable. |
| 14:28.13 | djszapi | unbelievable* |
| 14:28.45 | djszapi | anyway, I stop flooding the channel with my tiny issue. :) |
| 14:28.57 | ZogG_laptop | check TMO i saw few threads i think about connection and operator and lemme check if i have settings there, though i think i had it out of the box |
| 14:29.22 | djszapi | I had internet connection with vodafone and usb stick |
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| 14:29.31 | djszapi | but they cannot provide unlimited for a month, just 5 GB |
| 14:29.41 | djszapi | so I have just tried to switch to another provider. |
| 14:29.47 | djszapi | which turns out even more awkward |
| 14:30.06 | djszapi | and you cannot get UPS, phone internet and other stuff without one year contract, or a beefy cancellation fee. |
| 14:30.08 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: did you try to set it manually? |
| 14:30.18 | djszapi | so the whole situation sucks in root. |
| 14:30.25 | ZogG_laptop | in settings you can i think |
| 14:30.49 | djszapi | my colleague purchased me the sim card with my wish yesterday in the city |
| 14:30.55 | djszapi | since the operator does not have a store in the town anymore |
| 14:31.01 | djszapi | but my colleague is gone for the week |
| 14:31.04 | djszapi | since 3pm :) |
| 14:31.09 | djszapi | cannot ask him where |
| 14:31.19 | djszapi | and the stupid customer service blames my N9 which is utterly stupid |
| 14:31.41 | djszapi | if I go to the settings, I am getting the message, data charge may be applied |
| 14:31.44 | merlin1991 | javispedro: the soundsettings applet uses a mtf wdiget/whatever from libcontentmanager for selecting the sound files for the various notifications |
| 14:32.00 | djszapi | which I have not experienced when I had top mobile internet connection for my Finnish card |
| 14:32.03 | javispedro | merlin1991: ah, but not for building a applet itself |
| 14:32.06 | djszapi | it just worked out of the box automatically. |
| 14:32.11 | merlin1991 | javispedro: it's needed |
| 14:32.14 | merlin1991 | because ContentItemsSheet.h is missing |
| 14:32.17 | djszapi | so the "data charge may apply" whispers that to me, it is actually not activated. |
| 14:32.32 | merlin1991 | which I suppose is inside the contentmanager-dev deb |
| 14:32.49 | javispedro | merlin1991: I built a controlpanel applet like 48h ago |
| 14:33.01 | merlin1991 | javispedro: try to build the soundsettings applet |
| 14:33.08 | javispedro | ah |
| 14:33.11 | javispedro | you are confusing me =) |
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| 14:33.20 | javispedro | it's required for that specific applet, ok :) |
| 14:33.32 | merlin1991 | which is part of a bigger sourcepackage |
| 14:33.40 | merlin1991 | called meegotouch-controlpanelsomething |
| 14:33.45 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what I really find weird, I cannot pay online for getting data plan. |
| 14:33.57 | djszapi | even if it was somehow missed at the face to face purchase. |
| 14:34.05 | djszapi | stupid customer service is stupid. |
| 14:34.11 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: :P |
| 14:34.43 | djszapi | I believe those people should switch to agriculture here. |
| 14:35.18 | djszapi | and they refused the request to connect to their supervisors. |
| 14:35.22 | djszapi | unsure, if they can do that. |
| 14:35.26 | djszapi | if they can, I am out of my luck. :) |
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| 14:40.08 | merlin1991 | javispedro: check the package duicontrolpanel-soundsettingsapplet which is built from meegotouch-controlpanelapplets but needs the ContentItemsSheet.h and is linked against libcontentmanager |
| 14:40.22 | javispedro | merlin1991: how does mer handle this? |
| 14:40.25 | merlin1991 | isn't that against the gpl already? |
| 14:40.44 | djszapi | merlin1991: nope, unfortunately. |
| 14:40.46 | javispedro | merlin1991: nokia owns the copyright for everything around that so there would be no case |
| 14:40.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro: What's my idea? :P |
| 14:40.59 | djszapi | unless you asked for a specific code, and you have not received that. |
| 14:41.11 | merlin1991 | javispedro: there is an #ifdev USE_CONTENT_ITEMSHEET but there's also a #define USE_CONTENT_ITEMSHEET a few lines up |
| 14:41.13 | javispedro | MohammadAG: sources repo: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/ |
| 14:41.30 | djszapi | plus, I do not suppose they leave out a source intentionally, so it is a bit rude to throw such words at them... |
| 14:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/ |
| 14:41.36 | MohammadAG | Ah :) |
| 14:41.40 | merlin1991 | javispedro: but since the controlpanel is mtf and gui I guess mer does not even contain it |
| 14:41.56 | MohammadAG | Might make a mirror of it :P |
| 14:41.58 | javispedro | oh, the last build of Mer I tried still had duicontrolpanel =) |
| 14:42.01 | javispedro | hides |
| 14:42.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | cdrom.iso ETA: 5min |
| 14:42.08 | MohammadAG | MTF FTW |
| 14:42.17 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, Harmattan Source ISO? |
| 14:42.20 | merlin1991 | javispedro: actually why cdrom iso? |
| 14:42.23 | merlin1991 | isn't it a dvd? |
| 14:42.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 14:43.00 | javispedro | merlin1991: that's the volume label, blame mkisofs for such a stupid default :) |
| 14:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ETA 60s |
| 14:43.41 | merlin1991 | hm cdrom.iso eta 22m here |
| 14:43.42 | merlin1991 | wtf |
| 14:44.17 | merlin1991 | hm libthai is still not part of the sources |
| 14:44.44 | djszapi | merlin1991: ask for that /explicitely/ |
| 14:44.45 | javispedro | there are some weirder omissions, dpkg itself for example =) |
| 14:44.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | here you are: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/cdrom.iso |
| 14:45.02 | djszapi | javispedro: the wrapper or the original? |
| 14:45.08 | javispedro | djszapi: both |
| 14:45.18 | merlin1991 | libthai is a runtime dependency of qt4-x11 and seems to be a debian package of http://linux.thai.net/projects/libthai/ |
| 14:45.27 | djszapi | javispedro: intentional |
| 14:45.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | now what's been the true magic incantation of md5sum? cat fobar.md5|md5sum ? |
| 14:45.41 | djszapi | javispedro: wrapper is never meant to be free |
| 14:45.51 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: just run md5sum cdrom.iso and compare visually =) |
| 14:45.51 | djszapi | the other is upstream |
| 14:45.52 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: md5sum -c foobar.md5 |
| 14:45.58 | djszapi | hmm, we have made some mods, I think. |
| 14:45.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: tnx |
| 14:46.05 | djszapi | so yep, you should ask for that explicitely. |
| 14:46.23 | javispedro | djszapi: yes, missing original dpkg source is quite a mistake |
| 14:46.44 | djszapi | javispedro: yep, ask again |
| 14:46.56 | djszapi | I am sure they do not wanna violate anything |
| 14:47.03 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/errors.log a few more "missing" |
| 14:47.06 | djszapi | it is a pure process mistake. |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | wow, security by obscurity |
| 14:47.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 14:48.22 | merlin1991 | btw javispedro check the entry of libthai in /var/lib/dpkg/status to mee it look like someone just ran the debhelper init command (whatever it was) and built a package without adjusting anything |
| 14:48.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | [joerg@lagrange 1.3]$ md5sum -c cdrom.iso.md5sum |
| 14:48.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | cdrom.iso: OK |
| 14:48.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 14:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: many thanks :-D |
| 14:49.01 | javispedro | to you |
| 14:51.56 | merlin1991 | just for the fun of wasting a bit more disk space: http://merlin1991.at/harmattan/PR1.3/ |
| 14:53.27 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: is it you promissed me to upload before? =) |
| 14:54.04 | merlin1991 | it was me asking for a source of the image :D |
| 14:54.34 | ZogG_laptop | someone here said he would upload like a week ago |
| 14:54.41 | ZogG_laptop | and i think he did :) |
| 14:54.48 | ZogG_laptop | i just don't remember the nick |
| 14:55.18 | merlin1991 | just wondering, does it make more sense to ask for a complete dvd myself before asking for things like libthai especially? |
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| 14:58.04 | javispedro | merlin1991: the libthai entry looks sane here |
| 14:58.41 | javispedro | merlin1991: I think that you should ask |
| 14:58.57 | javispedro | maybe they'll check and recreate the image |
| 14:59.15 | ZogG_laptop | i think it's not gonna happen |
| 14:59.44 | merlin1991 | javispedro: check the parts of the entry about Description: and Hompage: |
| 14:59.48 | ZogG_laptop | i think they use same iso to make cds and send them |
| 15:00.27 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: which is why i say recreate the image ;P |
| 15:00.40 | javispedro | merlin1991: oh, touché. |
| 15:01.13 | ZogG_laptop | javispedro: i don't think anyone would bother |
| 15:01.37 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: they would be in violation of the GPL |
| 15:01.43 | javispedro | seems like reason enough =) |
| 15:05.10 | ZogG_laptop | oh, if that, than maybe |
| 15:15.02 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: finally doing something again with Sowatch: http://depot.javispedro.com/metawatch/sowatch/captures/WatchConfigUI.png :) |
| 15:15.18 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, woo, woo! |
| 15:15.24 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
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| 15:15.45 | dm8tbr | javispedro: ooooo... |
| 15:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, is there any way to make the QML font rendering on the watch resemble the watch's built-in fonts? |
| 15:16.09 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I'm making it use the watch's built-in fonts actually |
| 15:16.20 | javispedro | er... going to make it use :) |
| 15:16.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, excellent. |
| 15:16.26 | javispedro | problem is non-ascii chars :( |
| 15:16.53 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you need to have a donation bin so people can finance your next watch. :P |
| 15:17.04 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, bug the MetaWatch people about that? |
| 15:17.34 | RST38h | moo, javispedro |
| 15:17.38 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: told me to "make the missing chars myself" =) |
| 15:17.38 | RST38h | heyaGeneral |
| 15:17.56 | GeneralAntilles | Morning, RST38h. |
| 15:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, haha |
| 15:18.02 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 15:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder what font building software is out there. . . . |
| 15:18.10 | javispedro | hey RST38h |
| 15:18.17 | RST38h | Who is running QML on a watch here? Do you do it by biting into a tall green mushroom or what? |
| 15:18.20 | dm8tbr | javispedro: analog support *bigroundeyes* can haz? :) |
| 15:18.22 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe we should finance a watch or wazd and con him into doing it. |
| 15:18.33 | GeneralAntilles | s/or/for/ |
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| 15:19.49 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://www.metawatch.org/forums/thread?thread=393 |
| 15:21.39 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'll look at it in the next few weeks. |
| 15:22.11 | javispedro | currently Qt falls back automatically on "some other font" so it's not an important issue |
| 15:22.16 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: are you also biking? |
| 15:22.36 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, it is an ugly issue, though. :P |
| 15:22.39 | javispedro | yep |
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| 15:49.45 | djszapi | phako: I am sorry for the affair from my side |
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| 16:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, oh, how hard would it be to add MeeCast support? |
| 16:03.25 | javispedro | let me check it |
| 16:07.28 | javispedro | stupid nokia store |
| 16:07.33 | javispedro | firefox not available, meecast not available |
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| 16:25.12 | farhad2161|2 | i have problem with nokia suite.can i ask it here? |
| 16:25.32 | farhad2161|2 | infobot ? |
| 16:25.35 | farhad2161|2 | infobot /? |
| 16:25.36 | infobot | [/] home, sweet home |
| 16:25.43 | farhad2161|2 | infobot -? |
| 16:25.44 | infobot | it has been said that - is this something later than 10-10-01 source ? |
| 16:25.54 | farhad2161|2 | infobot help |
| 16:26.17 | dm8tbr | farhad2161|2: you might want to try #n9 sounds like a user problem |
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| 16:42.27 | Lava_Croft | am i backwards for using the N9 as a wifi hotspot for my N900? |
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| 16:47.22 | Venemo_N9 | Lava_Croft, yes, totally |
| 16:47.39 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 16:52.30 | pa | how do i update scratchbox to pr1.3? |
| 16:53.00 | pa | if it makes sense at all what im saying :p |
| 16:55.15 | Venemo_N9 | pa, with apt |
| 16:56.11 | pa | http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/08/09/qt-for-windows-phone-very-much-possible-windows-8-support-already-far/ |
| 16:56.13 | pa | didnt know |
| 17:00.15 | merlin1991 | pa: simply put you don't |
| 17:00.42 | merlin1991 | but you could grab the sources of pr1.3 and build those libs/things you need |
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| 17:04.48 | pa | ah okay. then probably i dont need it either |
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| 17:07.10 | djszapi | pa I have made up a sport tracker up for me |
| 17:07.16 | djszapi | but very primitive :) |
| 17:07.26 | djszapi | and mostly a kde project initiation. |
| 17:07.40 | djszapi | will test tomorrow at the 70-80 bike tour |
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| 17:12.22 | pa | djszapi, cool |
| 17:12.27 | pa | you can try out mine too |
| 17:12.31 | pa | and compare :) |
| 17:12.35 | djszapi | sure |
| 17:13.03 | pa | but you will see that if u dont do any processing to the gps data, it will suck |
| 17:14.35 | pa | and in any case, if you are interested, we can also cooperate instead of compete :) |
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| 17:20.00 | djszapi | well, it is meant to be a KDE project |
| 17:20.07 | djszapi | if you wanna join, you are welcome. |
| 17:20.19 | pa | kde mobile? |
| 17:20.19 | djszapi | but we need such a stuff in KDE. |
| 17:20.29 | pa | do you? :) |
| 17:20.39 | pa | but then is that in qml or what? |
| 17:21.58 | djszapi | not kde mobile, kde edu |
| 17:22.08 | djszapi | yes, qml frontend is one of the ideas. |
| 17:25.00 | piggz | anyone here used Qt to develop for the playbook? |
| 17:25.51 | djszapi | yes |
| 17:35.52 | piggz | djszapi: great, fancy helping me out? :) |
| 17:36.30 | piggz | i just need a little pointer in the right direction :) |
| 17:37.27 | djszapi | piggz: ask away |
| 17:38.45 | piggz | i have 2 hello-world apps, with a simple main.cpp only ..... one set up with mometics, the other as a qmake project...... |
| 17:39.03 | piggz | both include all the qt5 libs as assets and set ld_library_path |
| 17:39.27 | piggz | the one made with mometics works, the other doesnt...it just seems to crash immediately |
| 17:39.48 | piggz | id like to not use mometics, as im not sure how to to all the qmake/moc stuff with it |
| 17:39.52 | piggz | any ideas? |
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| 17:42.25 | djszapi | I have no any clue what mometics is |
| 17:42.40 | piggz | djszapi: the bb ndk ide (eclipse) |
| 17:42.41 | djszapi | but what is the root cause for the crash in backtrace? |
| 17:42.51 | djszapi | ah right, I have used cli |
| 17:42.53 | piggz | i dont know how to get any logs |
| 17:42.54 | djszapi | no miracle :-) |
| 17:43.18 | piggz | i would rather use hte cli :) |
| 17:43.32 | djszapi | I need to leave soon unfortunately. |
| 17:43.36 | piggz | np |
| 17:43.41 | djszapi | and I do not have internet at home |
| 17:43.46 | djszapi | until I ride 70-80 km by bike tomorrow to the nearest city :) |
| 17:43.49 | djszapi | to buy one. |
| 17:43.56 | djszapi | I should be back tomorrow evening :) |
| 17:44.02 | piggz | ok |
| 17:44.06 | piggz | i'll keep trying |
| 17:44.20 | djszapi | you need to get a backtrace either way |
| 17:44.23 | djszapi | or a lot of prints |
| 17:44.27 | djszapi | to track the issue down |
| 17:44.35 | djszapi | I do nto think valgrind is mature enough on QNX |
| 17:44.41 | djszapi | so unfortunately, you cannot use that. |
| 17:44.57 | pa | djszapi, wanna run 2 tracking apps tomorrow? (so you test mine a little : )) |
| 17:44.58 | piggz | djszapi: how can i run on the playbook cli? |
| 17:45.22 | piggz | djszapi: pa: 3, mine too ;) (pgz everytrail on ovi store) |
| 17:45.35 | piggz | im sure if i could see some output i could sort it |
| 17:45.42 | piggz | jsut need to get used to the playbook |
| 17:46.04 | pa | but urs is not free ;) |
| 17:46.05 | djszapi | piggz: have you followed the qt/blackebrry page? |
| 17:46.08 | djszapi | blackberry* |
| 17:46.30 | piggz | pa: i gotta make some cash ;) |
| 17:46.32 | djszapi | pa: yes, where can I find that? |
| 17:46.33 | pa | but thanks for the tip! |
| 17:46.52 | pa | djszapi, nowere, nokia is still QAing it, but i can put it somewhere for you, a moment |
| 17:46.57 | piggz | djszapi: yes, ive read it in detail (you mean the wiki page?) |
| 17:47.04 | djszapi | piggz: yep |
| 17:50.14 | piggz | pa: what is your app like? |
| 17:50.45 | pa | its like sportstracker |
| 17:50.48 | pa | well |
| 17:50.54 | pa | let say for the same purpose |
| 17:51.44 | djszapi | pa: you have not contacted a ui designer, have you |
| 17:51.51 | pa | nope :) |
| 17:52.00 | pa | but i dont mind my ui :p |
| 17:52.09 | pa | actually the monitor page is like that for a reason |
| 17:52.22 | pa | i wanted to have it as black as possible |
| 17:52.45 | pa | and the home screen.. well i had to make it in a rush |
| 17:52.50 | pa | so yeah, it's 3 buttons |
| 17:52.52 | piggz | is is possible to ssh into a playbook and run an app from the cli? |
| 17:53.57 | djszapi | http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/tkb/articleprintpage/tkb-id/Testing_and_Deployment_of_Applications@tkb/article-id/168 |
| 17:56.30 | pa | but suggestions are always appreciated :) |
| 17:56.58 | pa | (and constructive criticism :o) |
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| 18:03.53 | piggz | djszapi: ah, progress...i have learned how to ssh in and get the logs |
| 18:03.59 | piggz | the qnx platform is missing |
| 18:04.15 | djszapi | right |
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| 18:05.28 | piggz | hmm, what happened there.... |
| 18:07.10 | djszapi | pa: what sport do you take up? |
| 18:07.24 | pa | meaning? |
| 18:07.32 | djszapi | means |
| 18:07.41 | djszapi | what sport do you take up |
| 18:07.50 | djszapi | or you have just done your application for others ? :) |
| 18:08.08 | pa | ah |
| 18:08.26 | piggz | wrote pgz everytrail for recording mountain biking and fell walking (and finding new such routes) |
| 18:08.34 | pa | i've done a lot of cycling in the past, now i use it for hiking/jogging |
| 18:08.58 | pa | but with a good bike mount, i'd use for that too |
| 18:09.00 | djszapi | right, I am not the only biker here :) |
| 18:09.12 | djszapi | pa: I would not |
| 18:09.19 | djszapi | because if you lose your smart phone out there. |
| 18:09.24 | djszapi | it is chancy to get stolen |
| 18:09.36 | djszapi | it is not the same price as a fancy cycling computer :) |
| 18:09.41 | pa | :) |
| 18:09.48 | djszapi | s/lose/leave/ |
| 18:10.01 | pa | you gotta be careful, then :) |
| 18:10.14 | djszapi | me? |
| 18:10.25 | djszapi | you were saying that you would use yoru stuff with a good mount |
| 18:10.31 | pa | well anyone who would leave the phone on the bike mount :) |
| 18:10.41 | djszapi | your* |
| 18:10.44 | djszapi | I would not use smartphone for such a stuff |
| 18:11.11 | pa | ideally it would be very well suited, if such app could support other sensors as well |
| 18:11.17 | pa | such as cadence and ergometers |
| 18:11.28 | pa | (probably there are no bluetooth ergometers, tho) |
| 18:12.00 | pa | and if the phone would have a gyro, it would be good to measure steepness too |
| 18:13.33 | djszapi | is gone |
| 18:13.40 | pa | good luck |
| 18:13.41 | djszapi | have a nice weekend getlemen and ladies :) |
| 18:13.53 | pa | likewise |
| 18:14.24 | ajalkane | farewell and good weekend mr. djszapi |
| 18:15.05 | djszapi | ajalkane: ttyl :) |
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| 18:17.22 | piggz | pa: here is an example of what my app records http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=1710542 |
| 18:18.29 | pa | ah let me check |
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| 18:22.31 | pa | pretty cool :) |
| 18:23.10 | pa | by the way, how do i remove the qml files from the packaging, if i have them already as qrc? i tried to remove them from the pro file, but they get still in the package |
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| 18:46.49 | vape | hi there.. is there a way to install this OS on xperia x2 ? |
| 18:46.54 | vape | has anyone tried it before " |
| 18:46.55 | vape | ?? |
| 18:47.53 | pa | fixed |
| 18:48.06 | pa | vape, which os? |
| 18:48.10 | pa | harmattan? |
| 18:48.17 | vape | yep |
| 18:48.21 | pa | i dont think theres any way |
| 18:48.31 | pa | maybe its open source edition, but u should ask there |
| 18:48.45 | pa | #mer |
| 18:48.56 | vape | well.. i would appreciate anything but windows mobile.. |
| 18:49.01 | pa | heh :) |
| 18:49.13 | pa | xperia x2 runs WM? |
| 18:49.15 | pa | really? |
| 18:49.53 | pa | yeah |
| 18:49.58 | pa | maybe android then? |
| 18:49.58 | vape | hehehehehe... rubbis os |
| 18:50.05 | pa | its more likely it has been ported |
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| 18:50.22 | vape | you know what's going on now ?? it's stuck on the screen alignement.. and it won't move forward :):):D:D:D |
| 18:50.35 | vape | am not sure about android.. |
| 18:50.45 | vape | any link you are aware of ?? i would appreciate |
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| 18:51.06 | pa | if you google, it looks like some xda guys cooked some android roms for xperia x2 |
| 18:51.17 | vape | mmmmm |
| 18:51.24 | vape | i tried two years ago.. there was nothing |
| 18:51.26 | vape | lemme google again |
| 18:52.44 | pa | actually maybe not |
| 18:53.43 | piggz | awesome, first playbook apps works....soon, playbook will have an everytrail app i guess! |
| 18:54.01 | pa | vape, it looks like you are stuck with it :) |
| 18:54.20 | vape | so no chance to crack that dammed machine ? |
| 18:55.13 | pa | :( |
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| 18:56.28 | pa | it looks like theres no way to put custom roms on that phone |
| 18:56.30 | pa | thats why |
| 18:56.34 | vape | mmmmmmm |
| 18:56.50 | vape | crazy |
| 18:56.59 | vape | there must be someone able to do that.. but that aint me.. |
| 18:57.00 | vape | :D |
| 18:59.58 | ajalkane | Next time when you're shopping for a phone, insist that you require a more open phone that's not "locked up" ;) |
| 19:00.38 | RST38h | yes yes ask that at&t representative for linux |
| 19:00.49 | ajalkane | OPEN linux |
| 19:00.56 | vape | very funny ajalkane.... just don't be clever... i may not have shopped for that phone right ? |
| 19:01.03 | ajalkane | They ship nowadays closed linuxes too :P |
| 19:01.05 | vape | :P |
| 19:01.59 | ajalkane | vape: okay... but the unfortunate truth is, many of the mobile phones are so locked down that it's practically impossible to modify them. Let alone install another OS to them. |
| 19:02.21 | vape | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:02.32 | ajalkane | As consumers our only chance is to demand more open devices. And vote with our wallets. |
| 19:02.44 | vape | even, my nice N9... got a problem the other day... and no way to fix it.. now it's with nokia shop.. and they are making me wait |
| 19:02.53 | dm8tbr | even on open hardware it's hard enough to make another OS fly |
| 19:03.41 | ajalkane | Exactly. Open hardware only give possibility to install another OS. It still requires lots of work. |
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| 19:07.20 | ladoga | today i was walking around several finnish mobile shops..no n9s to be seen. it's quite funny how quickly nokia killed it...there's demand but no one sells it |
| 19:07.38 | Corsac | not sure how much demand there is outside of this chan though |
| 19:08.43 | ajalkane | ladoga: I don't think it's because the shops don't want to sell it, but that Nokia is running out of stock. And no more manufactured. |
| 19:08.46 | ladoga | instead they had huge stands for lumias...sometimes right at the entry and several sales persons pushing them to people |
| 19:09.10 | ladoga | Corsac: i know several people who want to get one |
| 19:09.20 | ladoga | Corsac: but can't find it here |
| 19:10.09 | pa | ajalkane, ah so they stopped the production? |
| 19:10.11 | ladoga | Corsac: + everyone in my family has N9 and about 10 people i know personally (work/friends) |
| 19:10.23 | pa | i thought N9 was still in production, in china |
| 19:10.45 | ladoga | and lots of people have asked me where to buy one |
| 19:10.47 | ajalkane | pa: I don't know what the production is in china, I'm just looking at the situation in Finland. And it's obvious Finland is not getting N9s |
| 19:10.53 | Corsac | ladoga: oh sure, 10 people, nice, I'm sure nokia will reactivate production unit for you :) |
| 19:11.16 | ladoga | Corsac: that's only my friends and immediate surroundings |
| 19:11.16 | pa | ajalkane, well obviously the made in finland ones are not produced anymore, since nothing is produced in finland anymor :) |
| 19:11.30 | Corsac | ladoga: you miss the point |
| 19:11.39 | Corsac | ladoga: that's still nothing at those scale |
| 19:11.49 | ladoga | Corsac: i would say in finland as whole there would still be thousands of people who wanted to buy one |
| 19:11.50 | Corsac | nokia is not interested in selling 10 or 50 n9s, you know |
| 19:11.53 | ajalkane | pa: well yes, and Finland is not getting any china manufactured ones either. So at least in finland the situation looks like "end of line" |
| 19:12.02 | ladoga | Corsac: and it's a very small country |
| 19:12.27 | pa | ajalkane, well things have to change, or finland is not getting any nokia phones anymore |
| 19:13.07 | ajalkane | Finland is such a small market anyway that it's impossible to draw any conclusions on N9 productions from this country |
| 19:13.24 | ajalkane | But my gut-feeling is that wherever Lumia can be made available, N9 will be made unavailable. |
| 19:13.28 | ladoga | Corsac: and people are not interested in buy lumias...especially ones that know there is/was better nokia phone |
| 19:13.51 | pa | especially those that know that current lumias wont be upgraded :) |
| 19:13.57 | pa | (/upgradable) |
| 19:14.10 | ladoga | Corsac: so why discontinue your best phone and try desperately to sell something inferior |
| 19:14.30 | pa | ladoga, : )))) |
| 19:15.01 | pa | many wonder with you : p |
| 19:16.22 | ladoga | Corsac: right, nokia is not interested in selling any N9s |
| 19:16.29 | ajalkane | Wonders of the world... what would life be without such delicious puzzles like this? |
| 19:16.45 | ladoga | Corsac: seem like they tried hard to sell as few as they possibly could |
| 19:18.29 | pa | does it? |
| 19:21.08 | ladoga | well..yeah i guess the subject is beaten to death |
| 19:23.22 | pa | but i was wondering.. what if for some/any reason elop would not be ceo of nokia anymore |
| 19:23.24 | ladoga | do you think that swipe thing is patentable? it's quite natural way of using a smartphone |
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| 19:23.40 | pa | it seems it has been patented already |
| 19:23.41 | ladoga | so i hope future smartphones will make use of it |
| 19:23.54 | pa | and it doesnt look like nokia is gonna give it away |
| 19:24.10 | ajalkane | pa: Board of directors are above Elop. Elop is just a tool. |
| 19:24.11 | ladoga | it's like patenting mouse clicks :( |
| 19:24.19 | Venemo | hi! |
| 19:25.24 | pa | ajalkane, u think the board decided to kill maemo? but why? as ladoga also noticed, it would be a profitable division, and with some little marketing, it could have sold really a lot, well repaying the cost to pay the employees |
| 19:26.05 | pa | i also noticed lately people buying n9.. people i would have never imagined |
| 19:26.10 | Venemo | pa, the problem wasn't that. |
| 19:26.18 | ajalkane | pa: because they saw the progress as too little too late. And they thought it's a convergence of "ecosystems" and maemo can't bring that with Nokia's financing |
| 19:26.37 | pa | i see |
| 19:26.43 | Venemo | the harmattan team was extremely mismanaged in my opinion. |
| 19:26.59 | ladoga | i think n9s fate was sealed even before it was released |
| 19:27.16 | Venemo | perhaps the word "deadline" or "deliver" wasn't in the managers' vocabulary. |
| 19:27.20 | ajalkane | I don't agree with that reasoning, I'm just guessing here. I only think the BoD/CEO were stupid. |
| 19:27.25 | Venemo | neither was "release" |
| 19:27.35 | ladoga | they had already decided to kill it no matter how it would be received |
| 19:28.34 | pa | ajalkane, so u think M$ has nothing to do with that? |
| 19:28.41 | Venemo | indeed. |
| 19:28.49 | Venemo | look |
| 19:29.04 | ladoga | nokia had made deal with intel which included releasing one MeeGo phone...so they did, but tried to limit markets so it wouldn't hurt future WP sales |
| 19:29.13 | Venemo | harmattan development was started in 2008 and they didn't deliver anything until late 2011. |
| 19:29.47 | Venemo | if I were a directory and there was a team like that in my company, I would have fired them as well. |
| 19:29.56 | ajalkane | pa: Of course it was enormous possibility for MS, but unless Nokia was determined they can't make it on their own, MS would not have had a chance to take advantage of the situations. Like they did. |
| 19:29.57 | Venemo | s/directory/director |
| 19:30.03 | ladoga | 2008? N900 was released in 2010 and that was before harmattan, no? |
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| 19:30.15 | Venemo | ladoga: that's what I heard from some people, yes. |
| 19:30.29 | Venemo | ladoga: and no, N900 was released in 2009 |
| 19:31.07 | ladoga | i see..in november |
| 19:31.48 | ladoga | i remember Nokia was hiring lots of linux people in 2009-2010 |
| 19:32.09 | ajalkane | Considering all the rewrites of Harmattan, I wouldn't hold those timeframes too damning. |
| 19:32.15 | Venemo | indeed. |
| 19:32.29 | ladoga | and in 2011 they suddenly changed direction with hiring of Elop |
| 19:32.39 | Venemo | they started with gtk, then switched to qwidgets, then made dui (meegotouch), then qml. |
| 19:33.00 | pa | well |
| 19:33.05 | pa | it was a new project |
| 19:33.06 | Venemo | they were just doing r&d without releasing anything. |
| 19:33.10 | pa | its to take into account |
| 19:33.17 | pa | Qt was still trolltech |
| 19:33.18 | ajalkane | That's management decision |
| 19:33.59 | pa | and i dont think it would be too late now |
| 19:34.11 | Venemo | ajalkane: that is why I said IMO they were terribly mismanaged |
| 19:34.13 | ajalkane | But it's true, Nokia probably thought during 2008-2010 they have all the time in the world |
| 19:34.17 | pa | especially because android showed that, even with a large market share, it still sucks |
| 19:34.25 | ladoga | half year ago it certainly wasn't |
| 19:35.00 | ladoga | now it is...with all the linux/qt people laid off |
| 19:35.04 | ajalkane | Android is the only cool thing around, until Jolla and BB10 show something else. |
| 19:35.12 | ladoga | and company athmosphere poisoned |
| 19:35.17 | Venemo | android is not cool at all |
| 19:35.40 | ajalkane | I'd rather use Android than iOS or WP. Maybe I'm just a bigot, but that's how crazy I am. |
| 19:36.27 | ladoga | i'd rather use dumbphone than any of them:) |
| 19:36.42 | Venemo | in fact, if that were the only choice, I would go for WP. |
| 19:36.49 | ladoga | thats in fact what i did until i bought n9 |
| 19:36.55 | Venemo | I hate android with passion. |
| 19:37.00 | Venemo | and ios is out of the question |
| 19:37.06 | pa | Venemo, if digia ports qt for WP, maybe :) |
| 19:37.16 | ladoga | Venemo: have you used WP7.5? |
| 19:37.23 | pa | otherwise, let see what jolla makes.. hopes arent hight, but more than 0 |
| 19:37.31 | ajalkane | That's easy to say now. But I remember when Android came to the scene some years ago, I was rooting for them. Because it was the only open platform back then. And I wished it became success. |
| 19:37.39 | Venemo | ladoga: yeah, I have. I didn't like it that much, but the UI was a lot better than andorid |
| 19:38.06 | Venemo | let's admit, it's not that hard to make a better UI than android |
| 19:38.10 | ajalkane | I sold my Nokia 800. That's how much I liked it. |
| 19:38.24 | ladoga | Venemo: it's quite limited..no multitasking for 3rd party apps. only way to close app is by pressing back arrow repeatedly + many many other annoyances |
| 19:39.02 | ajalkane | My wife has Android. I'm always confused trying to use it. But nevertheless, I'm an adaptable old man. I'd rather adapt to relatively open Android, than not adapt to all closed iOS/WP. |
| 19:39.03 | ladoga | you cant copy unrecognized files to the phone |
| 19:39.07 | pa | well, for us it's easy to say, we simply have the best UI :) |
| 19:39.14 | Venemo | agreed |
| 19:39.32 | Venemo | ladoga: same is true with android |
| 19:39.41 | ladoga | Venemo: what i like in lumias is that it's very smooth..as in quick |
| 19:39.47 | Venemo | ladoga: yeah. |
| 19:40.02 | ladoga | Venemo: initial impression is maybe better than with Harmattan |
| 19:40.05 | Venemo | ladoga: anyway, I'm a happy user of my N9(50) until they fall apart |
| 19:40.09 | pa | i tried a lumia 800 in the shop, but it didnt seem so snappy |
| 19:40.25 | ladoga | but then those limitations in UI and the OS start to annoy you |
| 19:40.30 | ajalkane | I like smoothness as much as the next person. But I like my shell and SSH more. |
| 19:40.50 | pa | ajalkane, N9 is quite smooth after all |
| 19:40.54 | ladoga | ajalkane: exavly..+ UI is still more usable even if less smooth |
| 19:40.55 | pa | despite all the qml :) |
| 19:41.15 | Venemo | qml is smooth |
| 19:41.15 | ladoga | harmattan with more porcessing power would be perfect:) |
| 19:41.39 | ladoga | i mean...faster hardware |
| 19:41.43 | ajalkane | pa: yeah it is. Except after PR1.3 and not having installed FasterN9 yet, I'm having a laggy phone. Might be the update, might be something else. But nevertheless I agree. |
| 19:41.57 | ladoga | or if nokia continued development and made it more efficient |
| 19:42.40 | pa | ajalkane, after 1.3 i just noticed more battery drain in idle, but smoothness look the same |
| 19:42.41 | ajalkane | Even if N9 was to be 3 times slower, I'd still rather use it than any current Lumia. |
| 19:43.09 | ladoga | pa: it's smoother than most android phones i give you that |
| 19:43.15 | pa | so maybe your is just a different side effect of the update |
| 19:43.19 | ladoga | pa: only speaking relatively here |
| 19:43.20 | ajalkane | pa: might be the FasterN9 then. I had used on PR1.2 FasterN9 for some months, but haven't installed it to phone after PR1.3 update |
| 19:43.38 | ajalkane | Well yes, might be update side effect too |
| 19:44.06 | pa | ladoga, well yea, i compared it to N9 and SGS2 only. it was smoother than sgs2 but about the same as n9 |
| 19:44.08 | Venemo | wat is FasterN9? |
| 19:44.11 | ajalkane | But I have another N9 with PR1.2 and it is smoother than my "main phone" which has PR1.3 |
| 19:44.21 | pa | ajalkane, me neither |
| 19:44.48 | ajalkane | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83940 |
| 19:46.03 | ajalkane | Except, of course, do not install version 0.9.4 from that link |
| 19:46.09 | ajalkane | There's 0.9.7 |
| 19:46.29 | Venemo | ajalkane: where do I install that from? |
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| 19:47.22 | ajalkane | Venemo: I think this is the most current version http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1216598&postcount=409 |
| 19:48.17 | Venemo | does it have any real effect? |
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| 19:48.52 | pa | i read about side effects, rather, thats why i have never dared |
| 19:48.59 | Venemo | for example? |
| 19:49.07 | ladoga | it changes some process priorities, right? |
| 19:49.13 | pa | like troubles after using it |
| 19:49.21 | Venemo | hm. |
| 19:49.24 | pa | but i dont knowexactly, ajalkane probably knows better |
| 19:49.35 | pa | and afaik, it is not really maintained |
| 19:49.54 | pa | (if that's what i am thinking it is, meaning the big shell script) |
| 19:50.20 | Venemo | ajalkane: is it? |
| 19:50.30 | pa | ah no, that was something else |
| 19:50.36 | pa | i think |
| 19:50.51 | pa | im mixing them up |
| 19:51.21 | Venemo | ok, lemme see |
| 19:51.31 | Venemo | brb |
| 19:51.41 | ladoga | this seems bit funny... |
| 19:51.49 | ladoga | "* Changed IO scheduler to noop. Should improve (a lot) performance, not sure about stability." |
| 19:52.11 | beford | who cares about stability |
| 19:52.12 | ladoga | "* Changed de IO scheduler to deadline again. Should improve (a lot) performance, not sure about stability." |
| 19:52.47 | ladoga | so they change IO scheduler back and forth and both times its supposed to increase performance? |
| 19:53.58 | beford | haha |
| 19:56.01 | pa | then you can do that for a while, and it will be the faster phone ever ;) |
| 19:56.56 | pa | st |
| 19:58.59 | ladoga | cfq is the default actually |
| 19:59.03 | ladoga | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.15 | ladoga | noop anticipatory deadline [cfq |
| 19:59.21 | ladoga | ] |
| 19:59.29 | ajalkane | I haven't tried version 0.9.7. The version I tried was 0.9.3. And as can be deduced from the version numbers it's work in progress. |
| 20:00.07 | ajalkane | But I can say this: with version 0.9.3, I had a _definite_ improvement in reducing lag |
| 20:00.07 | Sazpaimon | how would I go about deleting a large group of messages from my N9 |
| 20:00.07 | ladoga | i'll change that for deadline (recommended for solid state disks) and see if i notice any difference |
| 20:00.21 | Sazpaimon | theyre old corrupted messages from my E71, and I have a better backup that I can restore |
| 20:00.29 | ajalkane | The main issue with lag I had was swiping the application away, and swiping to other screens after that. It was much smoother. |
| 20:00.44 | Sazpaimon | i tried deleting it with the nokia suite, but it won't do it |
| 20:00.56 | pa | use the suite to backup |
| 20:00.59 | pa | delete everything |
| 20:01.07 | pa | delete messages on the pc |
| 20:01.09 | pa | restore |
| 20:01.11 | pa | possible? |
| 20:01.28 | Sazpaimon | nokia suite won't even let me backup |
| 20:01.32 | Sazpaimon | keeps telling me that it's busy |
| 20:01.58 | pa | Sazpaimon, besides, i really advice u to use smssync.. its so great |
| 20:02.03 | pa | i couldnt live without |
| 20:02.48 | Sazpaimon | well that isnt going to help me now is it |
| 20:02.58 | pa | well it could |
| 20:03.07 | ladoga | changing the scheduler at runtime is easy, just echo whatever > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/scheduler |
| 20:03.21 | Sazpaimon | if I could understand the tracker meta.db file I could just delete it from there |
| 20:03.25 | pa | if u sync to , say , gmail, then u can delete from gmail |
| 20:03.32 | Sazpaimon | but it's so convoluted compared to el-v1.db |
| 20:03.45 | pa | Sazpaimon, probably there are qt apis to sms |
| 20:03.53 | pa | if u really want to go that way |
| 20:04.24 | Sazpaimon | I havent heard of anything that does that |
| 20:05.03 | ladoga | any ideas how to make that permanent? as it will change back to defaul cfq scheduler at boot |
| 20:06.10 | pa | you meanyou cant access your sms with qtmobility contacts? |
| 20:06.24 | Sazpaimon | what |
| 20:26.41 | Sazpaimon | really weird, nokia suite isn't showing any messages after july 1st |
| 20:27.13 | Sazpaimon | nokia suite is so damn broken |
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| 21:06.00 | pa | hahahaha http://gizmodo.com/5933688/its-ok-to-be-a-hater-because-everything-is-bad |
| 21:08.35 | Sazpaimon | well I got nokia suite to make a backup of my N9 |
| 21:08.42 | Sazpaimon | but NBUExplorer won't open the NBU file |
| 21:08.49 | Sazpaimon | so it's pretty much useless |
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| 21:26.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | get backupmenu |
| 21:26.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm |
| 21:26.50 | infobot | well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 |
| 21:27.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | oops -ECHAN |
| 21:27.17 | Sazpaimon | yeah wrong device |
| 21:27.39 | Sazpaimon | also doesn't help me when I'm going to be reflashing the entire device |
| 21:28.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | on HARM. no |
| 21:28.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | since nokway to restore against aegis |
| 21:30.27 | Sazpaimon | guess what I'm going to have to do is: 1. Format my N9 2. Restore my backup 3. Sync all of my SMSes into ovi suite. 4. Delete all the broken messages. 5. get my E71 nbu exported into a CSV for the messages, 6. Import them into nokia suite 7. Sync again |
| 21:32.20 | Sazpaimon | hopefully reflashing everyting will fix my camera |
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| 22:16.13 | Sazpaimon | remind me again, flasher -F ape.bin -F mmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure -f -R will reflash both emmc and everything else, and also completely erase emmc beforehand, right? |
| 22:16.42 | Sazpaimon | or does EMMC need to be erased first before flashing |
| 22:30.35 | Sazpaimon | okay I was mostly right |
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| 22:46.51 | javispedro | So I don't have debug symbols for the PR1.3 N9 and I don't have debug symbols for the betaPR1.2 N950 |
| 22:47.12 | javispedro | how is one supposed to develop for those things? adding a printf every other line? |
| 22:47.35 | javispedro | ponders randomly banging head on keyboard until it works |
| 22:47.48 | Sazpaimon | wait you mean there's a way OTHER than printf-ing everything? |
| 22:48.00 | Sazpaimon | teach me your ways javispedro |
| 22:48.14 | Sazpaimon | also, has the openmode PR1.3 kernel come out yet? |
| 22:48.25 | javispedro | the openmode PR1.3 kernel has been since forever |
| 22:48.41 | Sazpaimon | but it was just the PR1.2 kernel renamed |
| 22:48.53 | Sazpaimon | the actual PR1.3 kernel has a couple changes I believe |
| 22:48.56 | javispedro | oh, it was? meh |
| 22:49.13 | crevetor_ | javispedro: do you have 1.3 on N950 ? |
| 22:49.13 | Sazpaimon | I can re-apply the patches myself, then |
| 22:49.34 | javispedro | crevetor_: no |
| 22:50.00 | crevetor_ | javispedro: do you have a OCF binary for pr1.3 (for N9) ? |
| 22:50.11 | Sazpaimon | Warning: user data may reside on MMC. In that case the MMC is unnecessarily erased twice. |
| 22:50.16 | Sazpaimon | screw you flasher |
| 22:50.22 | Sazpaimon | don't tell ME what's unnecessary |
| 22:50.44 | javispedro | crevetor_: no, but you can make one yourself either intercepting what NSU downloads or using one of those popular tools in TMO |
| 22:51.28 | crevetor_ | hum.. Maybe I will |
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| 22:53.46 | javispedro | I guess I should somehow thank the godess that I managed to get libc6-dbg for N950's betaPR1.2 |
| 22:53.53 | javispedro | I don't even remember where I got it from :P |
| 22:54.34 | javispedro | but libqt4-*-dbg? hah! |
| 22:54.46 | javispedro | *rant* *rant* *rant* |
| 23:01.22 | orfix | How can I connect to a WiFi network and set a static IP, "/sbin/ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.2/24 up" gives me the following error "ifconfig: SIOCSIFADDR: Permission denied", I am logged as root using devel-su. |
| 23:01.27 | orfix | any idea ? thank you. |
| 23:03.28 | javispedro | you can use the UI =) |
| 23:04.09 | javispedro | other than that, to use ifconfig you will need CAP::net_admin iirc, which is develsh-gettable |
| 23:04.16 | javispedro | so, just run develsh. |
| 23:05.09 | orfix | javispedro: can I set a static IP using the UI ? |
| 23:05.16 | javispedro | certainly |
| 23:06.02 | javispedro | Settings -> Internet Connection -> Edit networks -> ... -> Advanced |
| 23:06.23 | orfix | javispedro: yep, shame on me... I just didn't searched for it :] |
| 23:06.46 | javispedro | meh, the trivial suggestion worked for once :) |
| 23:07.13 | Sazpaimon | oh man |
| 23:07.15 | Sazpaimon | that's a relief |
| 23:07.27 | Sazpaimon | reflashed everything, emmc and rootfs, and my camera works again |
| 23:07.59 | javispedro | that used to happen when mixmatching 1.1 and 1.2 kernels |
| 23:08.21 | Sazpaimon | Ive been using e-yes's dualboot kernel for a while now |
| 23:08.32 | Sazpaimon | both on PR1.2 and 1.3 |
| 23:08.55 | Sazpaimon | at any rate, I'm going to patch up PR1.3's kernel for openmode and flash it now |
| 23:09.11 | orfix | javispedro: thank you. |
| 23:14.33 | Sazpaimon | fuck |
| 23:14.47 | Sazpaimon | i was going to ask javispedro what he did to fix the filenames on his PR1.3 DVD |
| 23:14.58 | orfix | javispedro: there's no way to input dots '.' only comma (without copy/paste) |
| 23:15.12 | Sazpaimon | he must have parsed the dsc files |
| 23:15.18 | Sazpaimon | that's really annoying |
| 23:15.32 | Sazpaimon | who made this DVD and was like "8.3 filenames? sure why not!" |
| 23:21.32 | Corsac | Sazpaimon: I didn't have any filename issue on mine |
| 23:21.50 | Corsac | Sazpaimon: see http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ |
| 23:23.32 | Sazpaimon | Corsac, weird, all my filenames are uppercase, 8.3 |
| 23:24.07 | Sazpaimon | like, ALSA_PLU.TGZ |
| 23:24.46 | Sazpaimon | maybe because the disc was never finalized? |
| 23:24.56 | Sazpaimon | it still has free space on it |
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| 23:26.04 | Sazpaimon | even then, I dont think ISO9660 has any limitations like that |
| 23:28.17 | Sazpaimon | okay this is kind of annoying |
| 23:28.24 | Sazpaimon | nokia suite isn't showing any messages on my N9 |
| 23:28.28 | Sazpaimon | but theyre clearly there |
| 23:30.59 | Corsac | Sazpaimon: are you sure you mounted it correctly? |
| 23:31.15 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 23:31.16 | Corsac | iso9660 is not really the correct way to mount a dvd anyway |
| 23:31.22 | Sazpaimon | oh the dvd? |
| 23:31.29 | Sazpaimon | i just popped it in the drive, I'm on windows ATM |
| 23:31.43 | Corsac | aha |
| 23:31.46 | Corsac | that's why |
| 23:31.50 | Corsac | I guess :) |
| 23:32.02 | Sazpaimon | like I said, windows sees it as a DVD that can still be written to |
| 23:32.36 | Sazpaimon | right now I'm trying to figure out why nokia suite says my N9 has no messages on it |
| 23:33.08 | Sazpaimon | even though I'm looking at it and it's clearly there |
| 23:33.23 | Hurrian | Sazpaimon, because Nokia Suite is a pile of trash? |
| 23:33.31 | Sazpaimon | all that aside |
| 23:33.39 | Hurrian | support for Maemo devices has been very, very sketchy |
| 23:33.48 | Sazpaimon | this has worked before, I know it has |
| 23:34.12 | Sazpaimon | THERE IT GOES |
| 23:34.18 | Sazpaimon | I had to refresh the list like 10 times |
| 23:35.02 | Sazpaimon | looks like I actually need to VIEW the messages in the messages app before nokia suite sees them |
| 23:35.11 | Sazpaimon | da fuck? |
| 23:36.57 | Sazpaimon | what does viewing a conversation do internally? |
