| 00:00.20 | npm | specicically: Tree of Life by Rob Barnett |
| 00:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | npm: hah, with my tasks for OM I learnt a bit about capacitors in audio ;-) After all my spotting of that 1uF decoupling instead of recommended 100uF in GTA02 audio amp out opened the door for my postion in OM |
| 00:08.13 | npm | ouch... in my case input and output modification. yamaha db50 synth clone http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2010-July/071006.html had output capacitors, and the $1.00 pci audio card it still attaches to had input capacitors... got rid of the small ones in series and put in a big tantalum cap and the "modded dynex" sound is the result |
| 00:10.30 | beford | ping khertan, thp |
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| 00:11.24 | ZogG_laptop | beford: they are asleep i think |
| 00:11.30 | ZogG_laptop | beford: got your n950? |
| 00:11.58 | beford | nop |
| 00:12.03 | beford | not even a tracking number yet |
| 00:12.51 | ZogG_laptop | it was sent with post pigeoun |
| 00:13.36 | beford | :p |
| 00:14.29 | ZogG_laptop | ok i need to go to sleep |
| 00:15.15 | beford | good night ZogG_laptop |
| 00:21.42 | ZogG_laptop | still here :P |
| 00:22.25 | beford | good night ZogG_laptop! |
| 00:22.26 | beford | xD |
| 00:22.39 | ZogG_laptop | ._. |
| 00:22.44 | beford | damn i have no idea why this thing is segfaulting |
| 00:28.45 | ZogG_laptop | which one? |
| 00:28.52 | ZogG_laptop | what are you doing |
| 00:28.54 | ZogG_laptop | who are you? |
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| 00:35.28 | beford | hah my application segfaults when I try to update one item from the listview :/ |
| 00:36.05 | ZogG_laptop | beford: =( |
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| 04:16.43 | Elleo | npm: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2012/08/11/tizmee-tizen-compatibility-layer-for-meego/ |
| 04:17.00 | Elleo | rzr: if you send me your webdav client I'll take a look and try to work out why it's having problems |
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| 10:42.40 | abbas | hi |
| 10:42.48 | abbas | is there any way to add bridge module to my N9 ? |
| 10:43.08 | abbas | or compile my kernel module and install it? |
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| 10:54.35 | mike | hi |
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| 10:58.25 | ZogG_laptop | ~sup |
| 10:58.25 | infobot | Yo zogg_laptop, how's it going eh? |
| 10:58.35 | ZogG_laptop | ~botsnack |
| 10:58.35 | infobot | ZogG_laptop: thanks |
| 11:04.24 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: sup |
| 11:05.22 | jonni | abbas: yes you can compile your custom kernel module just fine, kernel sources are avail on pr1.3 dvd. And you can install it if you use exploits like inception. |
| 11:06.06 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think i would give up on updating kernel |
| 11:07.33 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: heh, lets see if I someday have time to look into that, it helps when one can do just git diff on different branches :) |
| 11:07.50 | jonni | vs diffing only tar.gz :) |
| 11:08.31 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i got sources from nemo one and sources from kernel.org and made diff |
| 11:09.37 | ZogG_laptop | i got a lot of "patch was applied" because it's probably was changed in greater version and i got a lot of FAILS :( |
| 11:10.07 | pa | does anybody know if nokia has any plan to fix the battery status bug soon or late? |
| 11:10.11 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, working on my Windows 8 setup |
| 11:10.24 | pa | its really annoying, and no, its not a feature.. |
| 11:10.31 | ZogG_laptop | as well i can't read all the fails as i have every second question " should you apply" and i hit "y" as it would take a lot of time to read line by line =\ |
| 11:10.41 | ZogG_laptop | Hurrian: delete it!!!! |
| 11:10.47 | abbas | jonni: where can i find pr1.3 dvd? |
| 11:10.58 | ZogG_laptop | ~source |
| 11:10.58 | infobot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 11:11.13 | pa | ZogG_laptop, i think someone here was promising to put it online |
| 11:11.16 | Hurrian | ZogG_laptop, haven't touched the Metro UI in a few hours, good enough I guess. |
| 11:11.37 | pa | sorry, abbas |
| 11:11.42 | ZogG_laptop | abbas: the iso on DocScrutinizer05's server |
| 11:12.15 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: what is the ~ command to get the url? |
| 11:13.07 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw i think there is no option to make modules_install on original one, i wanted to try otg as well |
| 11:14.12 | abbas | ZogG_laptop: how can i obtain address of DocScrutinizer05's server |
| 11:16.52 | ZogG_laptop | ask him |
| 11:17.06 | ZogG_laptop | ~source-dvd |
| 11:17.45 | mwer | abbas:man baladam ama nemigam |
| 11:18.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.cloud-7.de |
| 11:18.28 | abbas | DocScrutinizer05: thank you |
| 11:18.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues cloud-7 |
| 11:18.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis-no-thanks |
| 11:18.49 | infobot | it has been said that aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.2/openmode-kernel/, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1178281#post1178281 |
| 11:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | somewhere next to that |
| 11:19.07 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: btw http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ :) |
| 11:19.12 | ZogG_laptop | one more link to source |
| 11:19.37 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: he is the one i told who uploaded before, now i remember :P |
| 11:19.40 | ZogG_laptop | abbas: ^ |
| 11:20.03 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: did you get respnse from nokia? |
| 11:20.50 | abbas | ZogG_laptop: thank you. |
| 11:21.20 | ZogG_laptop | thank Corsac and DocScrutinizer :P |
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| 11:32.28 | rzr | ZogG_laptop, hi did u run that mpd client ? |
| 11:32.46 | ZogG_laptop | not yet |
| 11:33.02 | ZogG_laptop | and i need to setup mpd server btw |
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| 11:52.22 | phako | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.24 | ZogG_laptop | phako: exactly |
| 11:56.43 | ZogG_laptop | it is /w 39 already btw |
| 11:56.46 | ZogG_laptop | :P |
| 11:57.12 | phako | irssi |
| 11:57.33 | ZogG_laptop | i use it too but has no idea what does that do |
| 11:57.43 | phako | change the window |
| 11:57.50 | phako | ah, right, I added that shortcut |
| 11:57.56 | ZogG_laptop | oh so tha't the way to do it |
| 11:58.19 | ZogG_laptop | as i was confused with tab 20 and how to switch to it with alt :) |
| 11:58.29 | ZogG_laptop | phako: and how to close specific one if you know |
| 11:59.08 | phako | I usually change to it and close it with /window close |
| 11:59.15 | phako | unless it's a private conversation, then use /unquery |
| 11:59.29 | ZogG_laptop | oh, good. i used /leave for chans but didn't know how for queries |
| 11:59.40 | ZogG_laptop | thanks |
| 11:59.48 | ZogG_laptop | unquery is logical actually :P |
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| 12:14.52 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i did the other trick :P |
| 12:14.58 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: http://i.imgur.com/aaArJ.jpg |
| 12:18.12 | jonni | ;) |
| 12:19.32 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i use the display update script from nemo, but i heard than in new kernel there is patch for that, i may apply commit of it to current source |
| 12:20.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | has anybody downloaded http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/1.3/cdrom.iso yet? does it work? |
| 12:20.48 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: i may try if you want, what's the size? |
| 12:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | 2.7G |
| 12:22.14 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: downloading it |
| 12:22.59 | ZogG_laptop | macmaN: luke-jr http://i.imgur.com/aaArJ.jpg |
| 12:23.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, you're the first one since... oh, [12/Aug/2012:04:13:48 +0200] |
| 12:23.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the time my http-log starts) |
| 12:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: is the bandwidth ok? |
| 12:24.40 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: 760 ± |
| 12:24.54 | ZogG_laptop | with axel -n 10 |
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| 12:25.55 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: and it works thanks to mdev :) |
| 12:25.57 | MohammadAG | More connections isn't always faster ;) |
| 12:26.12 | MohammadAG | I found 6-7 best |
| 12:26.28 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sup |
| 12:26.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: ~600 on iOS |
| 12:26.55 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: when we do the n9-hack-day? +P |
| 12:27.43 | MohammadAG | When you want, just state a date with at least 3 days notice |
| 12:27.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever 760 means |
| 12:27.54 | MohammadAG | Kbps |
| 12:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 12:28.19 | ZogG_laptop | KB/s |
| 12:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm, a bit better |
| 12:28.33 | MohammadAG | I normally get 1.3MB/s with my connection |
| 12:28.38 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: it can't go faster due our shitty ISP |
| 12:28.56 | MohammadAG | Dont call bezeq shitty :P |
| 12:29.31 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i would call them shitty if my phone line wouldn't be so crappy :P |
| 12:29.42 | ZogG_laptop | word games :P |
| 12:30.00 | MohammadAG | I hate their safenet though |
| 12:30.29 | ZogG_laptop | safenet? |
| 12:30.32 | ZogG_laptop | what's that? |
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| 12:30.58 | MohammadAG | It's like parental controls |
| 12:31.04 | ZogG_laptop | i switched off all the things they offered me, all the virus checks and email and all the crap |
| 12:31.07 | MohammadAG | They keep switching it on |
| 12:31.15 | MohammadAG | It blocks google.com ffs |
| 12:31.22 | ZogG_laptop | i don't have it |
| 12:31.26 | ZogG_laptop | :P |
| 12:31.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 12:31.40 | MohammadAG | It also breaks resumable downloads |
| 12:31.55 | MohammadAG | Which in turn breaks streaming |
| 12:32.15 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: will we ever get normal upload? Bezeq got new cable over seas, didn't the? |
| 12:32.19 | ZogG_laptop | they?* |
| 12:32.29 | MohammadAG | Upload speeds suck |
| 12:32.51 | MohammadAG | They're like 1.5MBps on orange's 3G in Haifa |
| 12:32.51 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i hate all this 100 Mbit advs — fasters internet shit :) |
| 12:33.16 | ZogG_laptop | they blame bezeq int and bezeq int blames them |
| 12:33.31 | ZogG_laptop | it's funny how they fuck you and you know it but you can't do anything |
| 12:33.58 | MohammadAG | ah, gotta love how separated bezeq and bezeq int are |
| 12:34.19 | ZogG_laptop | and what is this free wifi adv, they actually think that if they allow me to use my home internet to set wifi at home is a feature and they so good to give it for free? |
| 12:34.54 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: it's not only bezeq and bezeq int it's all companies, they have 2. one lines and one internet. IDIOTIC |
| 12:35.12 | ZogG_laptop | as hot has cables for tv and they have internet and basically it's same cable |
| 12:35.14 | MohammadAG | What? |
| 12:35.35 | MohammadAG | I thought free Internet is random hotspots around the country |
| 12:35.36 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: you can't have one company to provide internet |
| 12:35.48 | MohammadAG | Lots of Bezeq Wifis here in JRS |
| 12:35.56 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: is it? i thought of it too but as i know bezeq i bet it's not |
| 12:36.11 | ZogG_laptop | so at least they did a good thing |
| 12:36.29 | ZogG_laptop | are they gonna sell ipads now so they did that free wifi thing? |
| 12:36.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:36.37 | ZogG_laptop | sneaky bastards |
| 12:37.32 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: do you have 2 companies who gives you internet? i mean ISP and cable? or it's the same one? |
| 12:38.40 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: 850 btw |
| 12:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: if that question is related to maemo.cloud-7.de then it's off-topic |
| 12:41.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | since that box is hosted by hetzner |
| 12:41.03 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: nope to your homw internet |
| 12:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | t-mo |
| 12:41.12 | ZogG_laptop | home* |
| 12:41.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | wire and gateway |
| 12:41.33 | ZogG_laptop | 2 companies? |
| 12:41.38 | ZogG_laptop | 914 btw :) |
| 12:41.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | nope, t-mo |
| 12:42.02 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: and we have only option for 2 companies and if you have problem they blame each other :P |
| 12:42.12 | ZogG_laptop | 935 KB/s |
| 12:42.23 | ZogG_laptop | and getting faster |
| 12:42.36 | ZogG_laptop | would it hit 1MB or not :) |
| 12:42.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, hetzner should allow 100 times that |
| 12:43.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I see ~8Mb/s out here |
| 12:44.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | on munin |
| 12:44.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and an addtitional 10 processes |
| 12:45.09 | ZogG_laptop | 1019 |
| 12:45.20 | ZogG_laptop | 1025 |
| 12:45.28 | ZogG_laptop | and getting faster |
| 12:45.36 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i think Bezeq heard us :) |
| 12:45.43 | ZogG_laptop | they sniffed the conversation |
| 12:46.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:46.44 | MohammadAG | I miss hacking on Harmattan |
| 12:46.48 | MohammadAG | Fucking grub |
| 12:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | my fsckng t-mo DSL is 2Mb/s downlink |
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| 12:56.30 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: https://p.twimg.com/A0GWhUMCMAAsSdL.jpg:large |
| 12:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: if that Bezeq are such fscktards to filter and block and limit bandwidth, how about a proxy via VPN then? |
| 12:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or simple ssh-forwarding |
| 12:59.11 | mankeli | ZogG_laptop: who is that hoarder? |
| 12:59.28 | ZogG_laptop | mankeli: damagespline - the one who ported Wazr |
| 12:59.30 | ZogG_laptop | Waze* |
| 12:59.40 | ZogG_laptop | and his only n900 1 n950 and 1 n9 |
| 12:59.48 | ZogG_laptop | other n9 and n950 are mine :P |
| 13:00.04 | mankeli | ah :) |
| 13:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | eh? |
| 13:00.14 | MohammadAG | Two N950s on a table |
| 13:00.26 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: 2 N9 as well rare :) |
| 13:00.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, for sure a rare sight |
| 13:01.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I should take another up-to-date snapshot of my zoo |
| 13:01.24 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: there was other n9 as well |
| 13:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~20 devices |
| 13:01.36 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: post it here plz ) |
| 13:02.00 | macmaN | ZogG_laptop: youre booting gentoo on the n950? |
| 13:02.23 | ZogG_laptop | macmaN: funtoo :) |
| 13:02.34 | ZogG_laptop | macmaN: it doesn't do after that :P |
| 13:02.52 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:06.23 | cityLights | hi MohammadAG, was up? |
| 13:06.40 | cityLights | any hot news? tizen phones on sale? |
| 13:09.30 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: btw did you ask tizen for a phone, npm got one |
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| 13:18.11 | rzr | a phone or prototype ? |
| 13:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: here you are: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_002.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20120812_003.jpg |
| 13:20.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ZogG_laptop: the 20th device been IroN900 in my hand which took the photos |
| 13:23.29 | rzr | i got a qt green phone u miss |
| 13:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: dang |
| 13:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | rzr: when I heard of them, they already suggested OM GTA01 since they discontinued hw production |
| 13:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | (btw I didn't place any antiquities like Nokia 2110 or 6210 etc there on that zoo, they live in a different box ;-D) |
| 13:31.21 | rzr | :) |
| 13:31.30 | rzr | u need the tizen devdevice too |
| 13:31.52 | rzr | i can find one for sale |
| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I don't plan to go that route right now |
| 13:42.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | re-re-re-re-invention of "the wheel", and I don't see the appeal in going for the 4th permutation of "sorry devs, we scrapped it once more, please all move to system XY now, cause THAT is the future for sure. We swaer it is! REALLY!" |
| 13:43.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I'd rather go for android than for tizen |
| 13:46.14 | Lava_Croft | except android is a mess |
| 13:46.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt-e, OM2007, qtmoko, SHR, maemo, maemo-qt, mer, meego1, meego-Nokia, tizen... and none except maemo delivered. I'm through with that game |
| 13:46.46 | Lava_Croft | my Nexus7 would be so much better if it just ran maemo or meego:< |
| 13:46.58 | Lava_Croft | i agree on that, DocScrutinizer05 ! |
| 13:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp since I for sure forgot a few |
| 13:47.05 | Lava_Croft | Maemo indeed did deliver |
| 13:47.16 | Lava_Croft | still does! |
| 13:47.21 | Lava_Croft | N9 is still being sold by nokia iirc |
| 13:48.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | N9 isn't maemo in my book |
| 13:48.28 | Lava_Croft | its totally maemo to me! |
| 13:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | it an abomination between maemo6 and some insanity inspired by dalvik and tivo |
| 13:48.55 | Lava_Croft | it certainly is more maemo than meego |
| 13:49.28 | Lava_Croft | actually im having trouble finding anything meego in it |
| 13:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | wtf is meego in the end? |
| 13:49.57 | Lava_Croft | a really bad linux distro i had on my netbook? |
| 13:50.02 | Lava_Croft | :P |
| 13:50.21 | Lava_Croft | Meego is also kind of the future, with jolla and all |
| 13:50.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, yep. there've been netbooks with meego, yep. Seems right |
| 13:50.32 | Lava_Croft | doesnt seem theres much options left |
| 13:50.40 | Lava_Croft | the Meego netbook UX was horrible |
| 13:50.44 | Lava_Croft | moblin 2.0 |
| 13:51.18 | Lava_Croft | too bad people dont just port maemo to my nexus7 |
| 13:51.28 | Lava_Croft | 'just' :) |
| 13:51.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still undecided about whether I prefer maemo5 or maemo4 desktop/UI |
| 13:51.49 | Lava_Croft | maemo5 all the way |
| 13:52.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I know for sure I hate 'maemo'6 UI |
| 13:52.06 | Lava_Croft | i dont hate ui's |
| 13:52.08 | Lava_Croft | thats just childish |
| 13:52.16 | Lava_Croft | but for a smartphone, the n9 |
| 13:52.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | along with 75% of the other aspects |
| 13:52.22 | Lava_Croft | er, the n9's is doing great |
| 13:52.33 | Lava_Croft | sure is better than both android and ios |
| 13:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | haven't touched either |
| 13:52.57 | Lava_Croft | my wife has iphone, we have Nexus7 too |
| 13:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 13:53.07 | Lava_Croft | android looks way better than ios |
| 13:53.14 | Lava_Croft | but ios is way smoother overall |
| 13:53.20 | Lava_Croft | only ios has wtf design |
| 13:53.29 | Lava_Croft | i mean, you have a podcast app and the background is this tape deck |
| 13:53.31 | Lava_Croft | from the 70s |
| 13:53.37 | Lava_Croft | official apple app |
| 13:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 'has XY design" alone is a nogo |
| 13:53.51 | Lava_Croft | that company is schizo when it comes to design |
| 13:53.56 | Lava_Croft | android is a way better way to go |
| 13:54.08 | Lava_Croft | windows phone actually looks and feels better than android |
| 13:54.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have my own design, I don't need the ideas of a designer on crack |
| 13:54.15 | Lava_Croft | but it cant even do the shit ios does |
| 13:54.22 | Lava_Croft | so its basically useless apart from looking at it |
| 13:54.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not chosing the distro for my desktop PC by color of the wallpaper, why should I on my phone? |
| 13:55.03 | Lava_Croft | people dont choose the phone for the colour of the wallpaper |
| 13:55.07 | Lava_Croft | since they know they can change the wallpaper |
| 13:55.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, you can? |
| 13:55.31 | Lava_Croft | first thing my wife did when she got her first iphone |
| 13:55.36 | rzr | <Lava_Croft> except android is a mess |
| 13:55.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably alomst the only thing you actually can change on iOS and android and wincrap |
| 13:55.52 | Lava_Croft | android can change quite a bit more than ios and wp7 |
| 13:55.53 | rzr | i fear tizen is messy too at least the html5 apis ... |
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| 13:56.16 | Lava_Croft | android isnt maemo, but you use different apps than the stock ones for stuff like the launcher/desktop orso |
| 13:56.28 | Lava_Croft | for customized, its a good tradeoff between ios and maemo |
| 13:56.31 | Lava_Croft | customizing* |
| 13:56.36 | Lava_Croft | but, as you probably guessed |
| 13:56.42 | Lava_Croft | any proper customizing costs you $$$ |
| 13:56.45 | Lava_Croft | from the android store:P |
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| 13:57.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when I hear that my pocket PC shall run all 'apps' in either a java or dalvik or qtm or html5 sandbox, it's already "screwit!" |
| 13:57.32 | Lava_Croft | well, im an end user |
| 13:57.37 | Lava_Croft | if they can deliver, i dont care in what form |
| 13:57.39 | Lava_Croft | as long as they deliver |
| 13:58.13 | Lava_Croft | android can kind of deliver for a basic smartphone OS, if you have uber hardware |
| 13:58.25 | Lava_Croft | uber on comparison to what maemo5 or 6 needs to run well |
| 13:58.44 | Lava_Croft | meh i can sometimes just get a tad angry over nokia screwing maemo |
| 13:59.05 | Lava_Croft | but then i thankfully make myself remember that this is a first-world problem the size of nokia's losses |
| 13:59.11 | Lava_Croft | and quit caring about it:) |
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| 14:41.54 | johnnz | hi |
| 14:42.53 | Venemo_N9 | hi |
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| 14:59.54 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: awesome |
| 15:01.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Lava_Croft: I don't want "them" to deliver anything I can't configure to my liking |
| 15:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and quite obviously you can't deliver everything you like on either of those sandboxes, since your functions / toolbox is limited to what is allowed/provided by the sandbox. See HARM and indicator-LED for example |
| 15:04.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not user, I'm at very least power-user |
| 15:04.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | even admin and/or developer |
| 15:05.00 | Venemo_N9 | :) |
| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I was a humble user, I probably wouldn't care about maemo or meego or whatever, and already have bought one of the mainstream smartphones, and enjoy siri |
| 15:05.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the spying it does on me |
| 15:06.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | since "they deliver" |
| 15:07.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | however my first take on getting rid of my beloved y2k Nokia 6210 after 7 years been the mantra "I want a proper linux running on my phone, so *I* can fix all the annoyances/bugs I suffered from on that featurephone" |
| 15:07.54 | Venemo_N9 | lol |
| 15:08.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's when I first heard about Openmoko and thought "now THAT is the device I want" |
| 15:09.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's fugly like hell, but it has true linux running on it |
| 15:10.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so if I think the dialer accept / reject buttons are plain wrong, I can replace them with slider type "switches" myself |
| 15:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can fix redial the way it oughta be |
| 15:11.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | (double press 'green' to restart a call) |
| 15:11.33 | Venemo_N9 | I thought you actually worked at openmoko |
| 15:11.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I couldn't do that on maemo5 since dialer been closed source |
| 15:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't do that on meago6 since it's locked down by aegis delibarately |
| 15:12.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: yep, I did |
| 15:12.33 | Venemo_N9 | you can do that on Nemo |
| 15:12.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I was excited about that device and concept, and thus eventually joined the company |
| 15:13.16 | Venemo_N9 | nice! :) |
| 15:14.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | now I'm excited about Nemo and jolla, but it seems it's not that simple to join there and contribute |
| 15:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I have less reason to feel excited about jolla than I had with OM |
| 15:15.52 | Venemo_N9 | I'll be excited about them when they deliver |
| 15:16.17 | Venemo_N9 | Nemo however is a place where I can just go there and make it better |
| 15:16.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm afraid I'lll be angry and disappointed when they deliver |
| 15:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Venemo_N9: well, you maybe can do that, I'm EE though |
| 15:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the EE ambassador to sw-department |
| 15:17.10 | Venemo_N9 | mhm |
| 15:17.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | and EE department's final QA |
| 15:17.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for all that the candy is eaten when they roll out the hw |
| 15:17.57 | Venemo_N9 | it was once my dream to become an EE |
| 15:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I started with that when I been 5 years old ;-) |
| 15:19.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I probably won't excel better in any other domain |
| 15:21.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's really a pitty when jolla will suffer from hw bugs in their first device that could've been catched by me if only they considered to contract me to review their schematics |
| 15:22.06 | Venemo_N9 | DocScrutinizer05, why don't you contact them? |
| 15:22.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already did |
| 15:22.16 | Velmont | EE? Electrical Engineering somesuch? |
| 15:22.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | no feedback yet |
| 15:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | Velmont: yep |
| 15:23.49 | Venemo_N9 | yeah, I was always interested in EE, actually I'm studying it. but I'm not any good. |
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| 15:28.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I built my first Z80 'computer' in ~1979 |
| 15:30.09 | Venemo_N9 | :) |
| 15:30.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I started with LS74xx TTL chips some 6 yeras earlier |
| 15:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and of course transistor circuits before that |
| 15:32.23 | Venemo_N9 | I haven't done anything like that |
| 15:34.58 | djszapi_ | sup |
| 15:35.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | when I been 7, I "re-invented" Marconi's original transmitter - the one without any tuning to a certain frequency. The poor neighbours ;-P |
| 15:36.48 | Venemo_N9 | hehe |
| 15:37.01 | Venemo_N9 | what do you do now for a living? |
| 15:37.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | atm debugging modem chips |
| 15:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. the cmt firmware |
| 15:37.56 | Venemo_N9 | hm |
| 15:38.11 | Venemo_N9 | is it interesting? |
| 15:38.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | you might have bought some of my work in a new SG-x |
| 15:38.43 | Venemo_N9 | what is SG-x? |
| 15:38.49 | djszapi_ | Venemo_N9: http://fleirecastro.com/thoughts/i-did-nothing-today-and-still-got-paid/ :) |
| 15:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Samsung Galaxy |
| 15:39.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | or RIM |
| 15:39.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | google for NovaThor |
| 15:40.20 | Venemo_N9 | sorry doc, I didn't buy anything from them |
| 15:42.12 | Venemo_N9 | djszapi_, interesting |
| 15:43.22 | djszapi_ | Venemo_N9: everybody does that, c'mon on... :) |
| 15:43.31 | djszapi_ | c'mon...* |
| 15:44.06 | Venemo_N9 | djszapi_, I'm quite the opposite, I don't really have free time during my day job |
| 15:44.18 | djszapi_ | too bad for you :p |
| 15:44.29 | Venemo_N9 | yeah |
| 15:45.48 | Venemo_N9 | anyway |
| 15:45.54 | Venemo_N9 | I'll be back later |
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| 15:53.53 | robertjw | iptables errors out from a devel-su shell with a "you must be root" message. any tips on how to run iptables in harmattan? |
| 15:54.15 | djszapi_ | even in developer mode? |
| 15:54.20 | djszapi_ | with the developer user? |
| 15:54.31 | djszapi_ | what command exactly have you run? |
| 15:54.43 | robertjw | /sbin/iptables -L -vn |
| 15:55.22 | djszapi_ | someone used iptables previously, but it is not fully functional. |
| 15:55.30 | djszapi_ | try to figure out what credentials you would need for your stuff |
| 15:55.51 | djszapi_ | and check on the wikipage, if that is provided from OVI/devel-shell. |
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| 15:56.59 | djszapi_ | if devel-su+sh does not help, you cannot do much. |
| 15:57.14 | djszapi_ | with the "official" way. |
| 15:57.24 | kulve | is it possible to somehow get MIDIs as a ringing tone? |
| 15:57.42 | robertjw | and the unofficial way? |
| 15:57.55 | djszapi_ | robertjw: I do not care about the unofficial way, sorry. |
| 15:58.56 | robertjw | actually, I only care about A way. This crippled root on my n9 is starting to get tiresome. |
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| 16:09.04 | robertjw | devel_su and then develsh: that's the magic for running iptables |
| 16:09.25 | djszapi_ | you mean devel-su |
| 16:09.34 | robertjw | correct, sorry |
| 16:09.38 | djszapi_ | I was asking that previously, and you said it did not help. :O |
| 16:10.08 | robertjw | I had the devel-su, but I had not previously tried develsh |
| 16:10.08 | djszapi_ | I still think that, not everything will be allowed |
| 16:10.20 | djszapi_ | so good luck |
| 16:10.37 | robertjw | thanks, I'll poke around with it and see what capability we have |
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| 17:45.29 | jonni | robertjw: devel-su+develsh is enough to run iptables |
| 17:45.43 | djszapi_ | jonni: not all the functionalities. |
| 17:46.17 | djszapi_ | (without unofficial hacks, for sure) |
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| 17:55.58 | jonni | djszapi_: what functionalities you thing that is missing? |
| 17:56.02 | jonni | think even |
| 17:56.22 | djszapi_ | which is not supported by the kernel |
| 17:56.53 | jonni | well sure, but all the iptables functionality that system script uses by default is avail with develsh |
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| 17:57.48 | djszapi_ | jonni: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/search?q=iptable |
| 17:59.50 | djszapi_ | I was not referring to "system scripts". |
| 17:59.52 | jonni | yes, nat is not compiled in by default, so ofcourse that is not avail, but iptables with the all kernel default modules work with develsh. |
| 17:59.57 | djszapi_ | I was saying that not all the functionlities are available. |
| 18:00.23 | jonni | afaik question was what was required to run iptables-binary, and develsh is enough for that. |
| 18:00.48 | djszapi_ | no, the question was with a certain iptable run |
| 18:00.52 | djszapi_ | and I told the answer |
| 18:00.55 | djszapi_ | and it was enough :) |
| 18:00.59 | djszapi_ | you have seconded me, thanks |
| 18:01.12 | djszapi_ | and I mentioned not all the iptables functionalities are available |
| 18:01.44 | djszapi_ | also, net_admin was not available back then |
| 18:01.47 | djszapi_ | we have added that later |
| 18:01.57 | djszapi_ | so you were even unable to set up own rules. |
| 18:02.18 | djszapi_ | we were nice about that. =) |
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| 18:22.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | deletes the "bwahaha" he typed |
| 18:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | deletes the "oh thank you very much" as well |
| 18:24.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | makes me happy every single time I hear somebody allowing me generously to do some normal stuff on my own device, on _his_ discretion |
| 18:25.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty please, may I also switch patterns of indicator LED on my device? would you be that kind? |
| 18:28.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | WTF devel-su/develsh has *any* restrictions? |
| 18:29.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather than a proper unique password by default |
| 18:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you're afraid of fraud fake password query, define a hw key to pop up that query which can't get faked by rogueware, like windows ctrl-alt-del |
| 18:32.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | but wait, that wouldn't allow to guarantee main purpose of aegis: "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment." |
| 18:32.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. protection FROM user |
| 18:34.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still waiting for that awesome third party software |
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| 18:35.33 | piggz | lo * |
| 18:36.28 | djszapi_ | hi |
| 18:36.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | media player with CSS that diesn't output videos to AV-plug so they can't get copied? Neither content provider nor player in sight |
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| 18:40.02 | djszapi_ | ajalkane o/ |
| 18:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | instead we got a fsckdup linux that pretends to protect us from malware sending SMS to expensive destinations or exposing private data via internet, both an obvious hoax |
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| 18:44.50 | ajalkane | djszapi_: o/ |
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| 19:23.42 | robertjw | is there a squid package in one of the repositories? |
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| 19:36.56 | rZr | let m check that |
| 19:38.09 | rZr | robertjw, not on obs i am importing one |
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| 19:41.26 | rZr | robertjw, i'll need your help to fix openldap |
| 19:44.23 | djszapi_ | robertjw: don't you use apt-cache search |
| 19:44.30 | djszapi_ | or the obs search field? |
| 19:49.51 | rZr | djszapi_, can you help robertjw w/ https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5580 |
| 20:19.18 | djszapi_ | rZr: help with what? |
| 20:19.25 | djszapi_ | Do not touch my home directory pls :D |
| 20:20.45 | rZr | please :) |
| 20:21.02 | djszapi_ | please what? |
| 20:22.55 | rZr | can you fix that package for robertjw ... I would if I wasnt busy |
| 20:23.12 | djszapi_ | is busy, too |
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| 21:09.56 | ieatlint | looks like i missed more aegis ranting |
| 21:10.58 | djszapi_ | ieatlint: you cannot miss since it is always ongoing. :P |
| 21:12.14 | ieatlint | nokia sure is on a winning streak these days |
| 21:16.38 | jonni | well atleast nokia stock is +51.3% up in the last 30 days... so people who bought the stock when it was down are smiling |
| 21:18.03 | petteri | :) |
| 21:18.13 | djszapi_ | well, it is certainly not a big investment... |
| 21:18.16 | djszapi_ | from that low-amount.. |
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| 21:20.41 | ieatlint | jonni: i was almost one of them |
| 21:21.05 | ieatlint | but it only got as low as $1.69, and i wasn't prepared to invest enough to make the payout worthwhile |
| 21:21.20 | ieatlint | not unless it jumps to like $5 when microsoft announces a buyout |
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| 21:34.15 | robertjw | djszapi_: I have already searched the repos which I know about and did not find squid. Also I'm in a location this weekend without good connectivity. My N9 is all I've got. |
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| 21:38.59 | robertjw | rzr: what's wrong with openldap? build issues? |
| 21:39.10 | djszapi_ | robertjw: usually apt-cache search and c-obs search what others would do as well |
| 21:39.25 | djszapi_ | robertjw: look at the state and buildlog, if needed |
| 21:39.28 | djszapi_ | and you will see yourself. |
| 21:40.47 | ieatlint | is there a reason to not just use ssh socks proxy instead of squid? |
| 21:41.16 | robertjw | i tried socks5 and the n9 did not forward out the packets |
| 21:41.19 | rZr | offline ? |
| 21:41.52 | robertjw | notebook -> usb networking -> n9 -> network |
| 21:43.12 | ZogG_laptop | ._. |
| 21:43.17 | rZr | robertjw, do you have scratchbox o? |
| 21:43.26 | robertjw | no |
| 21:43.31 | beford | sup ZogG_laptop |
| 21:44.12 | robertjw | unfortunately, i have no browser in this limited network configuration right now, so i'm running a bit blind |
| 21:44.13 | rZr | robertjw, ask me later i will fix ldap and build it , unless someone want to help here |
| 21:44.57 | robertjw | lynx will only get you so far :) |
| 21:48.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ieatlint: the rant was basically about state of things is like >18months ago, nothing changed and neither did my arguments. Only that they proved true meanwhile, but also futile for dead meego. Maybe they help for jolla / mer though, and that's basically why I still continue on them |
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| 22:07.42 | ieatlint | robertjw: i've previously used the ssh socks proxy for tethering.. dunno |
| 22:08.26 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer05: hopefully we see something worthwhile from jolla.. at the moment, i'm expecting a corporate version of openmok :/ |
| 22:10.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh I have no idea what to expect |
| 22:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that's a tad annoying |
| 22:11.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it again starts like Nokia: NFC about FOSS, finalize things behind closed walls then throw over the wall |
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| 22:13.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you'd think meanwhile they could've learned |
| 22:13.17 | ieatlint | well, it is nokia peoples |
| 22:15.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically I consider all that hijacking linux |
| 22:15.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the FOSS idea |
| 22:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | only a small difference between Nokia not publishing some GPLed code until you ask in stern voice, and other companies not publishing any code at all until sued by Harald Welte |
| 22:18.52 | rZr | <3 fingerterm |
| 22:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even when publishing, they do by sending out DVD 8 weeks after binaries rolled out - that's pretty insane |
| 22:20.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | every single line of code says "we might obey to GPL, but that doesn't mean we like it, and we'll find ways to mess it up nevertheless" |
| 22:22.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | they did for maemo (you can't update to any newer kernel version, not to mention userland) and they did again for meego |
| 22:23.10 | faenil | :/ |
| 22:24.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | hell they even kept datasheets closed, of chips they got custom made like LP5523 |
| 22:25.21 | faenil | and the battery gauge? |
| 22:25.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, that one been public (on N900, not though on N9) |
| 22:26.06 | faenil | not on N9, exactly |
| 22:26.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually N9 looks like another example of the LP5523 DS-brainfart |
| 22:26.33 | faenil | should be a bq27521, but there is nothing known about that one |
| 22:26.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, I know. I evaluated it |
| 22:26.55 | faenil | oh |
| 22:27.19 | faenil | I know because we were trying to get the battery level working on nemomobile |
| 22:27.39 | faenil | (w00t did then, with openbme) |
| 22:27.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I already wonder to again use my contacts (*NOT* to Nokia this time) to get a copy of the DS under NDA |
| 22:27.59 | faenil | :) |
| 22:28.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did with LP5523, can do again with bq27521 |
| 22:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw LP5523 datasheet is public meanwhile ;-P |
| 22:31.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: Nokia is nuts with their NDA policy at large |
| 22:32.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not only in their public policy, as I can tell from my job |
| 22:33.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably for designing bq27521 the TI engineers had to wear black sunglasses so they don't see what they're working on |
| 22:34.16 | rZr | :) |
| 22:36.00 | djszapi_ | wow, there is a cmd line frontend for facebook |
| 22:36.03 | djszapi_ | although not in qtcore. |
| 22:36.55 | rZr | who cares of fb |
| 22:37.28 | djszapi_ | many, including me |
| 22:37.28 | rZr | who needs this ? |
| 22:37.40 | rZr | fb needs you ... |
| 22:38.52 | djszapi_ | that is not what I said, but sure... you are entitled to misinterpret me. |
| 22:41.57 | rZr | well i am gine |
| 22:42.06 | rZr | -i+o |
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| 23:15.24 | pa | anyone still awake? |
| 23:15.33 | pa | i have some packaging/aegis troubles |
| 23:15.51 | pa | im trying to package a python project without the help of pyside-assistant |
| 23:15.53 | pa | following this: |
| 23:15.55 | pa | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5880 |
| 23:16.11 | pa | so i have my _aegis file that i add to the deb with ar |
| 23:16.28 | pa | the problem is that i dont get the credentials on the files i specify |
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| 23:23.25 | pa | maybe something about signatures missing? |
| 23:31.58 | M4rtinK | pa: I'm also doing my Python packaging without PySide-Assistant, but with sdist_maemo (see http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=40182&postcount=2) |
| 23:32.12 | M4rtinK | pa: so net really sure what might have went wrong in your case |
| 23:34.52 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: are you alive |
| 23:34.54 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 23:41.50 | pa | M4rtinK, thanks i'll have alook now |
| 23:42.31 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: http://i.imgur.com/aaArJ.jpg |
| 23:45.08 | pa | hm |
| 23:45.16 | ZogG_laptop | mh |
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| 23:45.32 | pa | im cehcking sdist_maemo in ur zip, but its not xtra easy to decode the whole think |
| 23:45.35 | pa | thing |
| 23:45.36 | M4rtinK | ZogG_laptop: congratulation to your new N950 :) |
| 23:45.52 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: have it for a while |
| 23:46.36 | M4rtinK | pa: there are basically two important files |
| 23:47.13 | M4rtinK | setup.py that generates the package itself and does the signing |
| 23:47.56 | M4rtinK | and a shell script that does the rest (gets source from git, runs setup.py, pushes the source package to OBS) |
| 23:48.37 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: and makes a coffee |
| 23:48.45 | pa | M4rtinK, in my case the problem is the aegis manifest |
| 23:48.52 | pa | that in your case seems empty |
| 23:49.16 | pa | and what i need to understand is how to add it |
| 23:49.36 | robertjw | ieatlint: i'll try socks again, if that works i'll be happy. did you have to set any kernel parameters to enable it? |
| 23:49.58 | pa | i mean, if i do a rgrep aegis * it doesnt find anything |
| 23:50.40 | pa | i guess u dont need credentials for your app |
| 23:51.31 | ZogG_laptop | robertjw: playing with kernel? |
| 23:53.46 | M4rtinK | pa: this is a more up to date example + uses Aegis credentials: http://www.modrana.org/misc/modrana_build_example.zip |
| 23:54.11 | pa | maybe i got it.. is it possible that the reason is that i rename the .deb? |
| 23:54.35 | pa | let se |
| 23:57.08 | robertjw | ZogG_laptop: trying to get socks5 to work. when i tried ssh socks earlier, i was seeing incoming packets to the n9 but no outgoing packets. |
| 23:58.12 | pa | need to try tomorrow |
| 23:58.16 | pa | now i must sleep |
| 23:58.19 | pa | night |
| 23:58.28 | M4rtinK | pa: good point :) |
