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00:00.12djszapi_unless I misunderstand what you mean by "line image", so could you please clarify?
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07:05.00ZogG_laptopheymaster: nope
07:05.07ZogG_laptopnew version doesn't work
07:06.20ZogG_laptope-yes_: re
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07:45.07heymasterZogG_laptop: ping
07:45.16heymastermaybe try to delete host and add ?
07:46.39heymastero try to delete and install app
07:51.35heymasterhttp://cl.ly/image/0n1q1i3B1m1O << works for me .. rda
07:57.54ZogG_laptopheymaster: doesn't work. when i uninstall the user data stays on phone, waybe coz of it
07:57.59ZogG_laptopnothing in syslog
07:58.04ZogG_laptopi don't have time to check it now
07:58.08ZogG_laptopi'll check it later
08:01.26heymasterok
08:01.29heymasterthanks
08:04.58ZogG_laptopheymaster: last email doesn't work as well
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08:51.33jesuschrist_hello
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10:47.56jesuschrist_anyone applied the traffic patch here ?
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14:04.41javispedroany Madde expert around?
14:05.13javispedrocommand line arguments path rewriting seems to have stopped working on mine (e.g. -I/usr/include/foo -> -I$SYSROOT_DIR/usr/include/foo)
14:05.45javispedrowell, it works for gcc, but doesn't for Qt's moc, and I was wondering where exactly this path conversion is done
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14:12.05Lava_Croftlaziness question
14:12.12Lava_Croft:does the n9 music player play flac
14:20.22jesuschrist_guys anyone
14:20.25jesuschrist_tried
14:20.31jesuschrist_the maps traffic patch ?
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14:22.57javispedroLava_Croft: yes, I think it plays FLAC OoB.
14:23.35Lava_Croftjavispedro: thanks!
14:23.45Lava_Croftyou even answer my laziness question \o/
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14:29.12javispedroand I workarounded my Madde issue by just adding INCLUDEPATH += $$(SYSROOT_DIR)/usr/include/foo to .pro file
14:29.43javispedrothough /me doesn't feel good to just keep adding workaround over workaround as this platform's toolchains fall down and break
14:35.37djszapi_that should be a wrong decision ideally
14:35.45djszapi_why do you need to even do that?
14:36.36javispedrodjszapi_: Madde no longers does that for the MOC for me
14:37.02javispedroI learnt how the "rewriting" is done for Gcc, with the --sysroot binary patching et al
14:37.28javispedrobut couldn't figure it out for MOC, so I suspect it either was accidentally removed in a update, or it was just never done.
14:38.41Elleohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmu0JLjjQac <-- video demoing my amazon cloud reader app :)
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14:48.11javispedroElleo: interesting!
14:48.19Elleo:)
14:48.43djszapi_javispedro: should work
14:48.49djszapi_QtCreator also uses madde
14:49.04djszapi_in addition, people built qt applications "by hand".
14:50.00javispedrodjszapi_: this only shows up if MOC needs to parse a non-Qt include from the sysroot
14:50.39javispedroe.g.
14:50.48javispedroq_DECLARE_INTERFACE & Q_INTERFACES
14:51.35djszapi_well, there is a --sysroot option for this.
14:51.44djszapi_if you specify the sysroot, the other things should just work.
14:51.52javispedrowhere, in moc?
14:52.06djszapi_no of course; for qmake.
14:52.34javispedronah, qmake only talks in terms of qmakespecs
14:53.35djszapi_I am not even sure, what you mean...
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14:55.02javispedrowhatever it is, it was introduced with the 1.2 target indeed: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?230577-Help!-errors-of-build-project-targeting-Harmattan
14:55.49javispedrodjszapi_: the problem as you can see is that gcc in Madde is patched to convert -I/usr/include/foo into -I$SYSROOT_DIR/usr/include/foo
14:56.10javispedrodjszapi_: but moc in Madde is not patched that way since the 1.2 target (it must have been in 1.0 and 1.1)
14:56.54javispedroso as you can see on that poor gentleman's build log, -I/usr/include/meegoimframework works for gcc but moc gives errors
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14:57.58javispedroactually, s/gcc/g++/
14:59.48djszapi_I do not understand why g++ should be patched
15:00.04djszapi_if qmake generates the proper Makefile for the given platform, it should just work (TM)
15:00.21djszapi_that is the reason why qmake has an option --sysroot, which we sadly lack for cmake.
15:00.31javispedroqmake will not rewrite INCLUDEPATHs, and there 's no such option at least in my qmake
15:00.42djszapi_huh?
15:00.57djszapi_what do you think the --sysroot option was designed for ... ignoring?
15:01.05javispedro$ grep -i sysroot /usr/bin/qmake
15:01.07javispedroreturns nothing
15:02.43djszapi_sorry, configure
15:03.35djszapi_weird, I thought this option was available for qmake.
15:03.47javispedroI do think it has a configure-time sysroot option indeed
15:03.52djszapi_sounds like a bugreport against qmake
15:04.00javispedrobut madde cannot use it because sysroot changes at runtime
15:04.07djszapi_build suites /should/ have sysroot
15:04.13djszapi_and manage everything automagically.
15:04.23djszapi_this was accepted by the cmake developers as well
15:05.04djszapi_not that I would ever touch the qmake codebase, but still
15:05.30djszapi_well, yes building qmake, you cannot expect using qmake's options
15:05.42djszapi_for bootstrapping reasons.
15:06.01djszapi_but yes, qmake definitely should have this, and I am certain it is reported already since it is a must have feature for cross building.
15:06.12djszapi_others hacks keep coming like "patching g++".
15:06.17djszapi_otherwise*
15:06.48javispedroI just noticed that qmake does indeed fix the library paths
15:06.56javispedroso this requires more examination
15:07.12javispedroerr
15:07.13javispedrono
15:07.17javispedroit doesn't, sorry =)
15:07.33javispedroit's patched gcc again.
15:08.20djszapi_well, you can always manually fix the broken qmake generation. :)
15:08.36javispedroor just add the above workaround to the .pro ;P
15:08.38djszapi_might be that you need to be a makefile expert though
15:08.50djszapi_yeah
15:09.11djszapi_now I wonder, why qt guys told me cmake is a crap
15:09.16djszapi_it does not have a sysroot option
15:09.20djszapi_but qmake has, so it is shiny
15:09.29djszapi_I accepted cmake is a crap with this, but apparently so is qmake...
15:09.53javispedroI wouldn't add such option to a build system anyway unless you want to make it very coupled to a specifc language
15:10.53javispedroif you want to rewrite include paths you would need to know the correct syntax, and that depends on the language; qmake might assume c++ and do it, but cmake cannot assume C++ AFAIK.
15:11.28djszapi_sorry, you have lost me.
15:12.03javispedroit's not important, just an opinion.
15:12.16djszapi_I do not even understand your opinion
15:12.22djszapi_cmake is for native code accepeting makefiles
15:12.24djszapi_C/C++
15:12.51djszapi_and sysroot would not give any additional vulnerability since you can already use include paths anyways
15:13.02javispedrocmake can be used for anything other than C/C++?
15:13.04djszapi_it is just that it gives a prefix automagically.
15:13.29djszapi_cmake is a cross platform make
15:13.35djszapi_it generates a makefile
15:13.46javispedroso you cannot really create a cross platform, language universal sysroot option :)
15:13.57djszapi_makefile is used for native languages
15:14.02djszapi_well, you could use the install target
15:14.04djszapi_only
15:14.09javispedronot every compiler uses -I and -L for example.
15:14.12djszapi_but then you would not have problems with include anyways
15:14.28djszapi_I really do not know what additional risk you are talking about.
15:14.49djszapi_who cares about -l -L ?
15:14.50djszapi_that is an internal to cmake...
15:15.00djszapi_sysroot *is* an universal prefix for cross builds.
15:15.03djszapi_like madde etc
15:15.24djszapi_I am really not getting the problem, so did the cmake developers not either.
15:15.46djszapi_and yes, qmake should have the same feature in place, but
15:15.53djszapi_short life to qmake! :-)
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15:36.38heymasteranyone want to test my little app?
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15:43.19rashm2k+-
15:44.41rashm2khow can you set a value from a ListView which is backed by a Qobject based list?
15:44.57rashm2kQObject based ListModel
15:46.43heymasterrashm2k: just add method to you model and context property
15:47.02heymasterset*
15:47.28rashm2kbecause of the way my code works
15:47.38heymasteryou can expose object to qml ..
15:47.46rashm2kI expose the class that generates the model
15:48.09rashm2kI expose the class that generates the model to my QML objects using setCOntextProperty
15:48.42heymasterso you can add method in your class to change model
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15:50.02rashm2kthat will require a private variable to store the qobject list - I wish to avoid that
15:50.20rashm2khttp://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdeclarativemodels.html#qmlmodels
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15:50.52rashm2kI have use the above code QObjectList-based model section to create my list model
15:51.30rashm2kand in my ListView I have model: myClass.getListModel
15:51.38rashm2kand in my ListView I have model: myClass.getListModel()
15:51.57heymasteryes, i did this in my app too
15:53.42rashm2kIf you look at the example in the code above - how would I call setColor from QML?
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15:58.02heymasteri'm not expert. but you need call exposed object method (which depends of row number) and maybe generate string of hex color
16:01.32rashm2kWhat I mean is do I say list.model.color = "green"?
16:01.50rashm2kor do I use list.model.setColor("green")?
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16:07.50heymasterrashm2k: sorry, don't know :/ maybe someone else on channel can help you
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16:08.29heymasteri did with qml more simpler things
16:08.43Venemo_N9hey everyone
16:08.49heymasterhey
16:09.08Venemo_N9what's up heymaster?
16:09.11heymastermaybe you want to test my app?
16:09.20Venemo_N9maybe.
16:09.34Venemo_N9what app is it? :)
16:09.40rashm2kit's okay I got it!
16:10.06rashm2kmodel.modelData.selected = true;
16:10.11rashm2ksets the value!
16:10.18heymastervery simple
16:10.22heymasterrashm2k: good
16:10.43heymasterit connects to servers and fetch some data
16:11.39heymasterVenemo_N9: http://cl.ly/image/0b2U1y3R2Q1x
16:12.02heymasterand http://cl.ly/image/0O2r0p0T2p2m
16:12.14heymasteruses ssh protocol to connect
16:12.21heymastervery simple app
16:12.41heymasterjust want to know if it works on real device
16:13.03Venemo_N9what does the app do?
16:13.23Venemo_N9ah
16:13.32Venemo_N9ok, I read it
16:13.50heymasterbut you can test local server
16:14.04heymasterapp really don't steal any passwords
16:14.12Venemo_N9I don't have servers to connect to, but I can try with my laptop when I get home
16:14.37heymasterhttp://itunes.apple.com/us/app/servermonitor/id401491476?mt=8
16:15.01heymasteri have more advanced iphone version of my app
16:15.07heymasterVenemo_N9: thanks
16:15.34Venemo_N9:)
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16:28.26djszapi_faenil: hey there man :)
16:29.14djszapi_Do you know a RIM news url for this announcement back then: http://www.phonenews.com/rim-adds-qt-framework-support-to-playbook-2-0-update-19801/ I would like to show to certain people, but an official RIM announcement site would be more official. Like this as well, but for instance from the rim.com site: http://www.berryreview.com/2012/02/07/rim-shows-off-cascades-ui-cookbook-app-confirms-qt-framework/
16:29.35faenildjszapi_, read that, no idea sorry
16:29.51djszapi_ahh you are also lurking everywhere. :P
16:29.57faenil:)
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16:42.31javispedroargh, argh, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
16:42.55javispedrocurses whoever decided to omit the "heading" field when designing QML PositionSource
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17:12.26befordragequit
17:14.50faenilxD
17:15.50ZogG_laptopi missed javispedro
17:17.13befordhey ZogG_laptop
17:17.20befordI built transmission daemon
17:17.33befordI will probably bundle it with my package and allow to start/stop it from the gui
17:17.49befordand then control it
17:17.50beford:P
17:22.56ZogG_laptopbeford: nice
17:23.00ZogG_laptopbeford: :P
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17:45.04ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: sup
17:45.23ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: so gonna buy metawatch?
17:48.16Venemo_N9hey
17:48.25Venemo_N9probably not
17:50.29dm8tbrVenemo_N9: I'll try to get around to reencoding those. let's see when I find the time
17:50.43dm8tbrECHAN
17:53.07Venemo_N9dm8tbr, ok :)
17:53.45djszapi_Venemo_N9: hello, how are you?
18:03.53ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: why not?
18:04.10ZogG_laptopVenemo_N9: what scaries me is 5 days usage only on a single battery
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18:17.16dm8tbrwill wait for the metawatch to also be available in the classic housing
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18:30.07Venemo_N9ZogG_laptop, it's to bulky for my liking and I don't like watches
18:30.19Venemo_N9djszapi, I've been better
18:30.25Venemo_N9djszapi, you?
18:31.25djszapi_Venemo_N9: it is ok. :)
18:32.58Venemo_N9:)
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18:44.46jesuschrist_guys anyone
18:44.49jesuschrist_anyone applied the traffic patch here ?
18:48.16Elleojesuschrist_: I did a while back
18:48.25Elleomostly out of curiosity
18:48.32Elleoseemed to work okay from what little I saw of it
18:48.47Elleodon't really use it though since I don't drive
18:48.48jesuschrist_the fact im unable to make it work :\
18:48.58jesuschrist_which one you installed ?
18:49.09Elleojesuschrist_: I used the little script someone put together for it
18:49.10jesuschrist_what place did you went with maps to test the patch ?
18:49.34Elleojesuschrist_: just browsing around the UK
18:50.00jesuschrist_could you point me out the script ?
18:51.14jesuschrist_im checking atm london
18:51.18jesuschrist_i see nothing
18:51.19jesuschrist_:(
18:51.19Elleojesuschrist_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1234481&postcount=27
18:51.49Elleoonce you've applied the patch you have to also enable the traffic stuff in settings
18:52.22jesuschrist_oh
18:52.29jesuschrist_maybe this is the problem :D
18:52.31Elleoif you press the menu key you should see a new option that says "Show traffic"
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18:52.36jesuschrist_where exactly is it
18:52.39jesuschrist_this option
18:52.40jesuschrist_in Maps ?
18:52.46Elleoin drive
18:53.08jesuschrist_theres no option in maps '
18:53.09jesuschrist_?
18:53.11Elleoalso in the settings part there's a "Traffic settings" section
18:53.16Elleono, it's only for drive iirc
18:53.34jesuschrist_sadly i already checked
18:53.38jesuschrist_but im checking again
18:53.44jesuschrist_and in my drive app no traffic option
18:53.49jesuschrist_nor section
18:54.05Elleothen it sounds like you didn't apply the patch correctly, try with that script since it'll automate everything for you
18:54.22Elleoyou might want to reinstall nokia-drive-qml first though to undo any changes you might have made
18:54.22jesuschrist_under wich tab the option should be
18:54.37jesuschrist_"settings" ? and then ?
18:54.44Elleo"Traffic settings"
18:54.52jesuschrist_nothing at all
18:54.52Elleoyou have to scroll down a little
18:55.04jesuschrist_ill try the script
18:55.54jesuschrist_btw elleo any new version of eyrie coming ? :>
18:56.55Elleojesuschrist_: at some point, the echoprint folks are making some server side changes which should improve things soon
18:57.19Elleoand there'll be an update to the fingerprinting algorithm around the same time which I'll make a new release for
18:57.26jesuschrist_thats good news
18:57.30jesuschrist_thanks for your work
18:57.34Elleono worries :)
18:57.42ZogG_laptopElleo: \o
18:57.48Elleohey ZogG_laptop :)
18:58.33ZogG_laptop:)
18:59.40jesuschrist_anyone is using gmail as a mail for exchange account ?
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19:37.18ElleoFirestarter (Amazon kindle reader) is in apps for meego testing now if anyone fancies doing some QA: http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/firestarter/ :)
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19:37.40Elleodoesn't seem to be appearing in the "Recent" list in the a4m installer, but if you search for it it'll show up
19:53.06Elleothat link should be http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Utilities/firestarter/ now (changed category)
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20:23.25pahei Elleo!
20:23.33Elleohey pa :)
20:23.33paby the way, are you still developing eyrie?
20:24.13Elleopa: yep, mostly waiting on server-side changes from the echoprint people though
20:24.13pasuch an app is soo needed :)
20:24.23pai see..
20:24.35pacan it already save recordings to check them when you get online?
20:24.48Elleonope, that's a good feature idea
20:24.56paneeded, rather :)
20:24.57ElleoI'll add it to my todo list ;)
20:25.32pabut echoprint.. is it getting any better?
20:25.41palike is it easy to find recent songs in there?
20:26.06Elleopa: the database won't be expanding until the new serverside changes are made
20:26.13pai see
20:26.41Elleoonce those are done the echoprint people are going to be adding more songs themselves, but also part of the server modification is to make it possible for other people to submit songs to the database too
20:27.16Elleoso once that functionality is available I'll write a little MAFW plugin to submit everything in every willing eyrie user's phone's music collection
20:28.37pabut shouldnt it be almost automatic to add fingerprints?
20:28.50Elleowhat do you mean?
20:29.09pawell get mp3s of all the music you can find , and process them
20:29.17Elleothat's what the MAFW plugin would do
20:29.32Elleobut it's no use to do that until the server actually accepts submissions
20:29.49payes, but the point is, shouldnt it be automatic for them already?
20:30.07Elleowell presumably at some point they'll run it on the echonest music collection
20:30.23Elleowhich has about 30 million tracks in it
20:30.34Elleobut I have no idea when they'll get around to it
20:31.00palet see.. if they will be too lazy, we'll make our own web app :)
20:31.18Elleowell we can setup our own server now if we really wanted to
20:31.24Elleothe echoprint server is all open source
20:31.41Elleobut I'd rather not have to maintain something like that myself when we can just wait a little while and they'll do it for us
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21:53.26djszapi_ieatlint: ping?
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22:40.06jesuschrist_rzr : you here ?
22:40.55rzrmore or less why ?
22:42.16jesuschrist_i tried
22:42.17jesuschrist_ppp
22:42.26jesuschrist_doesnt install itself
22:42.39jesuschrist_and consequently ppptp
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22:46.26jesuschrist_rzr : need some pastebin stuff ?
22:46.27rzrwhats wrong ?
22:46.36rzrjesuschrist_, sure or post on tmo
22:46.46jesuschrist_head: invalid option -- '-'
22:46.51jesuschrist_i guess thats the problem
22:46.58jesuschrist_something in the script
22:47.01jesuschrist_of installation
22:47.12rzrrun that script w/ bash
22:47.37rzrsee what i mean ?
22:47.47jesuschrist_im trying
22:49.25jesuschrist_same output installing via bash
22:49.36jesuschrist_and same end
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22:50.46jesuschrist_any advise ?
22:51.19rzrbash -x script
22:51.38jesuschrist_you mean i have to unpack the deb ?
22:52.28rzr-x will trace the running script
22:53.29jesuschrist_im not following you
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22:55.47rzrwhat is the path  of the installed  script ?
22:56.14jesuschrist_it fails to install rzr, it doesnt install
22:56.27jesuschrist_the message is given when i run apt-get install ppp
22:56.55rzrdpkg -i *.deb will install it partially
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22:57.16jesuschrist_yeah it install it partially
22:57.23jesuschrist_already with apt-get
22:57.32jesuschrist_but it then fails when it comes to ppptp
22:57.35jesuschrist_because failed dep
22:57.53rzrwell i am leaving now , please send a message online or rzr(a)gna.org
22:57.59jesuschrist_allright
22:58.01jesuschrist_see ya dude
22:58.11rzrbye
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