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00:07.44 | rzr | hi M4rtinK |
00:07.58 | rzr | got some gtk's times for upcoming week |
00:08.32 | rzr | M4rtinK, remind me your gitorious id |
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00:53.02 | M4rtinK | rzr: looks like the gitorious id is martink (https://gitorious.org/~martink) |
00:54.51 | M4rtinK | rzr: I'm mostly using the (evil and not open source :) ) Github at the moment :) |
01:05.11 | rzr | M4rtinK, added u . please also bookmark http://rzr.online.fr/q/gtk |
01:05.34 | rzr | M4rtinK, and let me add you to shared repo unstable branch if you want to work on gtk |
01:07.19 | M4rtinK | rzr: ok :) |
01:08.16 | rzr | M4rtinK, any idea for https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=librsvg2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=harmattan |
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01:19.37 | M4rtinK | rzr: looks like it can't find GTK |
01:22.05 | rzr | apparently |
01:22.10 | M4rtinK | rzr: I remember there were some errors with -dev packages for GTK - this might be related |
01:22.36 | rzr | well i wont have a look at it soon |
01:22.46 | rzr | gtk rely on you now :) |
01:22.59 | M4rtinK | rzr: well, I'm really overloaded right now :) |
01:23.07 | M4rtinK | so no promises :) |
01:23.08 | rzr | take your time |
01:23.12 | rzr | good luck |
01:23.18 | M4rtinK | hh, thanks :) |
01:23.26 | rzr | u welcome |
01:23.41 | rzr | but we moved one step |
01:23.48 | rzr | now it is building |
01:23.52 | M4rtinK | btw, any changes you did on the packages I should know about ? :) |
01:24.07 | M4rtinK | nice - or they just finally fixed something in COBS :) |
01:24.12 | rzr | there is a side effect with some other package i havent figured out |
01:24.23 | rzr | my changes are very minor |
01:24.43 | rzr | i tagged to maemo version so easy diff |
01:25.24 | rzr | M4rtinK, https://maemo.gitorious.org/+harmattan/hildon/gtk-rzr/blobs/user-rzr/debian/changelog |
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01:29.21 | M4rtinK | rzr: ok, thanks :) |
01:29.34 | M4rtinK | rzr: time to hit the deck - good night ! :) |
01:31.02 | rzr | gnite |
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02:40.47 | Sazpaimon_ | http://imgur.com/a/pGZG6 some shots of the philadelphia skyline from the top floor of the comcast center, the tallest bulding in the city |
02:41.12 | Sazpaimon_ | youre not allowed past the lobby unless you work there or know someone (i knew someone that works at the 55th floor) |
02:43.35 | ieatlint | ah, the city of brothery love and setting for an awesome tv show |
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02:45.39 | Sazpaimon_ | yep |
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06:23.26 | niwakame | either pnatd is cocky, or I'm doing something wrong :( |
06:27.25 | niwakame | anyone tried on using AT commands? |
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07:09.32 | niwakame | jonni: Yeah that basically gives access to some info |
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07:09.56 | niwakame | jonni: But there's no info about the indicator |
07:11.10 | jonni | niwakame: which indicator? |
07:11.36 | ZogG_laptop | hmm wazapp was blocked after all :P |
07:11.45 | niwakame | I'm trying to get the Operator SIM Cipher Indicator |
07:11.59 | niwakame | It basically tells to supress the cipher indicator |
07:12.18 | niwakame | (which isn't present anyways as it seems in N9) |
07:12.20 | jonni | and the question is why are you tring to get it? :) |
07:12.47 | niwakame | You know Netmon for n900? |
07:13.13 | niwakame | Basically a rewrite for N9 |
07:13.18 | niwakame | and this would be a good addition |
07:13.44 | niwakame | So the user knows his operator is supressing the indicator |
07:14.48 | niwakame | It would be even better to get the active cipher suite, but that's closed baseband stuff, I think |
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07:15.12 | jonni | havent used N900 that much lately, but all the same info should be avail afaik. have you looked n900 sources to see how it fetches the date? |
07:15.14 | jonni | data |
07:15.37 | niwakame | Netmon stuff can be done using the QSystemNetworkInfo |
07:16.03 | niwakame | (Except neighbour cells, I think) |
07:20.02 | niwakame | when I try I get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied on N9 |
07:20.36 | niwakame | so seems like it's there (neighbour cells) |
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07:21.00 | jonni | well that error comes if you try the commands without right aegis capas. |
07:23.13 | niwakame | Yeah this was commandline anyways... |
07:23.28 | jonni | yep you need the capas in commandline too |
07:24.14 | niwakame | But I can't set them for terminal, right? |
07:24.43 | rzr | hi jonni , can i add u to https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships ? tell me your id |
07:25.47 | jonni | rzr: "rainisto" |
07:26.07 | jonni | niwakame: well you can, if you have right tools ;) |
07:26.12 | rzr | ok done |
07:26.28 | niwakame | incepting, that is, huh? |
07:27.14 | niwakame | well I just could write a proxy application that executes the dbus commands and has aegis manifest |
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07:31.49 | jonni | niwakame: maybe your looking something like this, I've just tested in my N9.... http://pastebin.com/Qga9uimx |
07:32.37 | jonni | it uses dbus to fetch cell neighbors |
07:33.06 | niwakame | jup exactly |
07:33.48 | niwakame | mind to share the dbus command? :) |
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07:42.05 | jonni | its just calls GetNeighbors method, nothing fancy in there. |
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07:44.23 | jonni | actually you can get the same info without using dbus at all |
07:46.03 | jonni | its just more complicated to use isi commands directly |
07:46.46 | niwakame | isi? |
07:47.37 | niwakame | ah ok |
07:48.26 | jonni | niwakame: thats kind of nokia propriatary way to talk to csnet side directly. |
07:49.18 | jonni | or might even be that libcsnet headers are public, havent checked lately |
07:49.32 | jonni | (or libisi.h) |
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07:53.11 | niwakame | At least I can't find any info on that |
07:54.45 | TheBootroo | how can i use QtMobility Publish&Subscribe to get the Sound volume and the Missed Calls count, on nokia N9 ? |
07:56.04 | Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: about sound volume, isn't it better to use DBus ? |
07:56.12 | Sfiet_Konstantin | (just a suggestion, don't know anything about it) |
07:56.42 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: why not but i can't find which api to call... |
07:56.54 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: for missed calls neithers |
07:57.01 | Sfiet_Konstantin | gimme a sec |
07:57.10 | Sfiet_Konstantin | for missed calls, you will need specific apis |
07:57.43 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: it's not exposed on dbus by CSD daemon or Telepathy ? |
07:58.04 | Sfiet_Konstantin | I kjust got this, dunno if it is useful qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /com/nokia/CommHistory |
07:58.43 | djszapi_1 | anybody particularly good at design patterns (OOP)? :) |
07:59.14 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: where can i find the DBUS def file with methods and signals list ? for com.nokia.CommHistory |
07:59.57 | Sfiet_Konstantin | use qdbus |
08:00.06 | Sfiet_Konstantin | it is one of the best dbus tool i have ever seen :) |
08:00.17 | Sfiet_Konstantin | entering qdbus gives a list of all interfaces |
08:00.30 | Sfiet_Konstantin | qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory gives the list of objects |
08:00.42 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: can't get it to work on N9, and it won't be really usable since its qwidgets and not meant for mobile |
08:00.50 | Sfiet_Konstantin | qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Client/CommHistory gives the list of methods |
08:01.02 | Sfiet_Konstantin | well, what are you trying to do ? |
08:01.14 | Sfiet_Konstantin | you are trying to get info from the N9 and push it to desktop ? |
08:01.38 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i found http://iktwo.com/n9-dbus-services-pr1-2/ |
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08:02.06 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes for a client of my company, i have to develop an info tracker for N9 -> PC |
08:02.35 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i have almost all i want through QTM, but i lack missed calls count and general sound volume |
08:03.22 | Venemo_N9 | hm |
08:03.28 | Sfiet_Konstantin | woow :) |
08:03.36 | Venemo_N9 | good morning |
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08:03.56 | Sfiet_Konstantin | well TheBootroo if you want to write something that is a bridge between a n9 and a pc, be sure to have at least a n9 to test on |
08:04.03 | Sfiet_Konstantin | ssh to it and play with qdbus |
08:04.08 | Sfiet_Konstantin | morning Venemo_N9 :) |
08:04.17 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i have a N9 |
08:04.52 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: but how can i use QDbus on ssh ? (ps : so bad, i'm using windows at work) |
08:05.23 | niwakame | jonni: btw TY :) |
08:05.37 | Sfiet_Konstantin | can you SSH on your N9 |
08:05.41 | Sfiet_Konstantin | if you can, you are done |
08:05.54 | Sfiet_Konstantin | you can use "qdbus" command line |
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08:07.29 | djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: good morning Sir Venemo_N9. |
08:12.42 | Sfiet_Konstantin | TheBootroo: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.get_values string:"general" |
08:15.02 | Venemo_N9 | hi, sir djszapi and djszapi_1 :) |
08:15.09 | Venemo_N9 | how are you today? |
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08:16.25 | djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: trying to understand the adapter pattern through a Java example. |
08:16.42 | djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapter_pattern -> I am not getting this part: A further form of runtime Adapter pattern |
08:17.45 | djszapi_1 | Venemo_N9: once, I understand, I will extend the wiki with a C++ example. :-) |
08:18.49 | TheBootroo | Sfiet_Konstantin: i need a doc like this one i found for bluez http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/bluez/adapter-api.txt |
08:19.33 | Venemo_N9 | djszapi, :) |
08:20.22 | Venemo_N9 | djszapi, that is a very simple thing |
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08:53.15 | rzr | Venemo_N9: dont u understand http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/ObjectAdapter.png/300px-ObjectAdapter.png ? |
08:54.01 | rzr | this pattern is a bit like function overload but with manual forward ... |
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09:02.05 | djszapi_ | rzr: read my sentence carefully. |
09:02.14 | djszapi_ | my problem was not with the image you pasted. |
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09:14.09 | djszapi_ | now I got that |
09:14.31 | djszapi_ | first case: factory second case: adapter + factory (more complex, should not be on that wikipage imo). |
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09:14.56 | rzr | djszapi_: ok |
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10:10.52 | whatsa | hey, who knows when did N950 PR1.3 leak? |
10:10.53 | whatsa | today or earlier? |
10:11.18 | faenil | not today afaik |
10:11.21 | Arkenoi | earlier |
10:11.31 | Arkenoi | btw i am seeding if anyone is still interested |
10:11.45 | faenil | but I did not follow the event... |
10:11.52 | faenil | does that mean we can flash 1.3 on n950? |
10:12.04 | faenil | bbl |
10:12.11 | Arkenoi | yes, but i did not try yet, my n950 is at Nokia for repair |
10:12.23 | Arkenoi | i also asked if they have newer firmware, will see |
10:12.33 | Summeli | Arkenoi: how did you get that into repair? |
10:12.42 | Arkenoi | asked politely |
10:12.46 | Summeli | I have broken LCD screen :( |
10:12.51 | Arkenoi | mine too |
10:12.59 | Summeli | who did you ask for it? |
10:13.13 | Summeli | I should also try to get mine fixed :) |
10:13.23 | Arkenoi | local guys, they just have broken n950 with good screen by accident |
10:13.32 | Summeli | ok |
10:13.37 | Arkenoi | so i am lucky with that |
10:13.51 | Arkenoi | Summeli, what happened with your screen? |
10:13.59 | Summeli | I'm not sure |
10:14.10 | Arkenoi | mine had rotten |
10:14.15 | Summeli | maybe it got bit by cold |
10:14.44 | Summeli | it just has quite many black pixels |
10:14.46 | Arkenoi | black stripes started to appear where mechanical connectors are on the reverse side |
10:15.02 | Arkenoi | and then it did grow |
10:15.03 | Summeli | yeah, black stripes |
10:15.13 | Summeli | but they are not filling the whole screen |
10:15.14 | Arkenoi | Summeli, same position? |
10:15.16 | Arkenoi | yes |
10:15.24 | Arkenoi | they did not but quite annoying still |
10:15.30 | Summeli | It's kind like big spot |
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11:23.17 | chem|st | is rsync 3.0.9-1ubuntu1.0~rzr1 save to istall? |
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11:32.33 | djszapi | jreznik: wow, thanks for the dancing house link :-) |
11:33.21 | jreznik | djszapi: :) |
11:34.19 | mgedmin | chem|st, I've installed rzr's rsync on my n9, it didn't explode or anything |
11:35.05 | chem|st | mgedmin: yeah syncing... ;) |
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11:36.02 | chem|st | I love fast internet |
11:37.10 | chem|st | and now I may setup backup with profilematic... hope that doesn't explode in my face... |
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12:02.41 | rzr | mgedmin: wanna test unison |
12:02.47 | rzr | i just rebuilt it |
12:02.57 | mgedmin | never used unison, don't have time to learn it now |
12:03.44 | rzr | any one ? |
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12:10.34 | jreznik | hmm, I hit a problem with mfe sync... as in PR 1.3 client certificates works finally, I asked for one, got one - but now - no plain text messages are shown in Fenix... only HTML... checking activesync logs and seems like the message is correctly downloaded... any hint where should I take a look? |
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12:13.49 | djszapi | rzr: can you package the arm ar for the time being? |
12:13.54 | djszapi | to workaround the Qt5 build issue? |
12:16.10 | djszapi | quite messy workaround, I know, but still. :) |
12:20.00 | chem|st | rzr: cli or gui? |
12:20.26 | khertan | how can i know which libs are available in ovi store repository ? qa team say that install file, after looking at apps, look like python-gconf isn't in their repositories |
12:20.38 | djszapi | khertan: it is from the apps "repository" |
12:21.38 | khertan | djszapi, thx ... it s in the app repository |
12:21.39 | khertan | arf |
12:21.47 | khertan | nokia qa ... grrr |
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12:30.00 | sledges | just received facebook app update on N9: 1.4.0-1+0m7 - wonder if they fixed those annoying image-not-showing-up or cant-click/view-images-posted-by-a-group/page bugs |
12:31.10 | chem|st | sledges: I'd love to have my mobileuploads folder back in use... |
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12:39.04 | tomyri | it would also be nice to see comments on event page |
12:39.55 | djszapi | is apps4meego also more or less unmaintained or just the Harmattan target on c-obs? |
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12:44.34 | sledges | apparently none of the annoying bugs were addressed in a 1.3.2 -> 1.4.0 version bump! chem|st tomyri :| |
12:45.01 | tomyri | suprise |
12:45.42 | sledges | looks like I will more and more end up using the browser, which is improving (and it's only thanks to facebook guys finding ways how to achieve good web UI on a low-end browser like Nokia's) |
12:46.08 | sledges | hence -- it's not the web browser that it improving :D |
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13:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | Does anybody remember that Jolla picture with the dinghy of MeeGons paddling away from Nokia's burning platforms? |
13:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | Looked a lot like this: http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jolla_meego_saving.jpg |
13:04.43 | rzr | i have that one |
13:04.45 | rzr | linked at |
13:04.52 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/mer |
13:05.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | 404 |
13:06.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | only in opera |
13:06.20 | rzr | ? |
13:07.02 | GeneralAntilles | rzr, I don't see it under the Jolla links. |
13:07.15 | Wnt | do you mean this http://h12.abload.de/img/rescuehauaw.png |
13:07.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | at bottom of very page |
13:07.22 | rzr | bottom of the page |
13:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | Wnt, ah, bingo! |
13:07.41 | Wnt | (it was on rzr's page) |
13:07.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | nice |
13:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | Don't see it on the page I've got loaded here. |
13:08.19 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently it doesn't like WebKit. |
13:08.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | doesn't like opera too |
13:09.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | "not reachable from this server" on opera |
13:10.28 | GeneralAntilles | World's most unsearchable image. Thanks, rzr. |
13:10.31 | rzr | well opera is not opensource you cant fix it :) |
13:10.49 | rzr | GeneralAntilles: btw do u have a gitourious id ? |
13:11.04 | GeneralAntilles | rzr, if I do, it's generalantilles. |
13:11.08 | GeneralAntilles | Don't recall off-hand, though. |
13:11.12 | rzr | let me ad u |
13:11.21 | rzr | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships |
13:14.52 | faenil | so did anyone flash leaked 1.3 on n950? |
13:15.12 | rzr | not me |
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13:16.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | I stopped flashing anything to N950 when I had to learn you can't rollback/downgrade |
13:17.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I guess my N950 is the only one in this universe still running original firmware it shipped with |
13:18.44 | rzr | this is a good idea |
13:20.26 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51, lol, but what's the point? |
13:20.42 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer51, mine was shiped with pre-1.0 btw :P |
13:20.45 | rzr | btw are there known hacks to force downgrade ? |
13:21.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | none |
13:21.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | afaik |
13:21.31 | ZogG_laptop | what deos prevent? |
13:22.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | version check in bootloader |
13:22.08 | rzr | some if to byepass somewhere |
13:22.28 | Arkenoi | uses my old n900 while n950 is being repaired.. it sloooow, but browser starts almost instantly on click -- unlike n950 |
13:22.39 | djszapi | rzr: there are. |
13:22.41 | ZogG_laptop | ad what if i just change the version? |
13:22.51 | ZogG_laptop | i mean i''ll force it to think it's 1.4 |
13:23.21 | djszapi | but 1) I would not like to talk about such things 2) I believe those things were addressed in the stable releases lately. |
13:23.43 | ZogG_laptop | Arkenoi, i loved n900 browser, but one thing both are missing are tabs |
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13:25.01 | ZogG_laptop | rzr, my rpi got to israel today :P hopefully would get it till weekend |
13:25.33 | rzr | cool |
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13:26.13 | ZogG_laptop | arcean, sup :P |
13:28.17 | rzr | is any of you booting nemo on 950 ? |
13:28.54 | djszapi | rzr: faenil maybe? |
13:29.08 | Lava_Croft | heh |
13:29.12 | faenil | rzr, me |
13:29.15 | Lava_Croft | update for N9 stock FB client |
13:30.28 | rzr | faenil: i plan to use it soon but what are the major issue so far ? i guess nokia maps will be unsupported right ? |
13:32.11 | djszapi | rzr: browser is also unmaintained. |
13:32.23 | djszapi | there are tons of applications not created ever yet. |
13:32.26 | faenil | rzr, it's not ready for everyday use |
13:32.59 | rzr | i saw there are mozilla binaries for mer |
13:33.15 | djszapi | you mean for arm? |
13:33.18 | rzr | yes |
13:33.27 | rzr | i have to double check |
13:33.33 | djszapi | that is not quite mer specific. |
13:33.39 | jonni | rzr: I have dual boot to nemo setup on one of my n950's, but usually I boot it to harmattan side. |
13:33.41 | djszapi | you would most likely use the same arm on Harmattan as well. |
13:33.54 | rzr | i may try to rebuild/port harmattan's deb to rpm some day |
13:33.59 | djszapi | just like with Java, I presume. |
13:34.39 | rzr | jonni: i am wondering what's next deb based mobile distro ? |
13:35.00 | rzr | in the hope all i've done for harmattan will not be lost forveer :) |
13:35.40 | jonni | harmattan will live forever ;) |
13:36.41 | faenil | rzr, nemo has rpm |
13:36.48 | faenil | oh ok misread sorry |
13:37.15 | jonni | rzr: well, iPhone (Cydia) uses .deb files ;) |
13:37.47 | jonni | so answer would be iPhone and Ipod :) |
13:37.58 | djszapi | do we have an rpi on the c-obs? |
13:38.05 | djszapi | or any another OBS instance? |
13:38.11 | djszapi | rpi target, that. |
13:38.37 | djszapi | rzr: you can continue with debian on the raspberry pi. |
13:38.47 | djszapi | or eventually on any ubuntu-arm... |
13:39.01 | djszapi | pandaboard, beagleboard, pandaboard es, what not. |
13:39.12 | rzr | i dont think i will put the rpi in my front pocket |
13:39.35 | jonni | rpiPhone :) |
13:39.48 | djszapi | thing is, you could actually. |
13:39.54 | djszapi | it is very cheap and small. |
13:40.28 | Wnt | rpiPhone would be pretty funny project |
13:41.12 | jonni | heh, if we ever will receive rpi, the free one hasnt even been shipped, and the one which I have ordered has been delayed for 5 months already. |
13:41.16 | djszapi | rpiPhone would probably be an issue for Apple in fact. |
13:41.48 | djszapi | jonni: normal |
13:41.54 | djszapi | do not feel alone :-) |
13:41.57 | djszapi | many went down that way. |
13:42.56 | jonni | we will get it in 2013, and by that time rpi2 has been released :) |
13:43.25 | djszapi | I do not know what to do with the raspberry pi :) |
13:43.27 | djszapi | probably not much |
13:43.34 | djszapi | apart from testing projects on arm simply. |
13:43.43 | djszapi | like QtSerialPort, QtAudio3D, kdelibs, etc I work on. |
13:43.47 | jonni | just for media player for tv |
13:43.54 | djszapi | I will not build a system around the board to be able to write an application. |
13:44.08 | djszapi | too much work |
13:44.16 | djszapi | I have platforms where I can write applications right away. |
13:44.25 | rzr | wp7 |
13:44.26 | rzr | :) |
13:44.28 | djszapi | with bigger userbase. |
13:44.35 | djszapi | so I can get more money out of that. |
13:45.38 | rzr | anyway i feel the harmattan community is not really affected by the fact it is doomed :) |
13:45.54 | djszapi | what is doomed? |
13:46.05 | rzr | the burning platforms |
13:46.49 | djszapi | I do not know what could currently kick Harmattan off. |
13:47.01 | djszapi | it has been a while after the dead announcement. |
13:47.06 | djszapi | and it is still here, still works nice. |
13:47.21 | djszapi | cannot mention any platform this year, or even in the beginning of next year, kicking this off. |
13:47.29 | djszapi | for Qt developers, that. |
13:48.13 | rzr | i am curious how what it will be in upcoming years |
13:48.40 | rzr | probally less active that n900 scene |
13:48.43 | djszapi | hopefully RIM succeeds. |
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13:48.49 | djszapi | with their Qt empowered platform. |
13:49.22 | rzr | if they release bbx devices |
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13:49.25 | rzr | else no way |
13:49.35 | djszapi | that is what "succeeds" means./ |
13:49.45 | rzr | i didnt even manage to use the sdk sim |
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13:52.27 | djszapiN9 | Qt is much more advanced on BB than Android. |
13:52.59 | djszapiN9 | It is also officially supported there, and not maintained by 2-3 hobbyists. |
13:53.03 | rzr | definitly |
13:53.14 | rzr | well this could change... |
13:53.28 | Lava_Croft | RIM is awful |
13:53.32 | rzr | will wp8+ a decent target for qt too ? |
13:53.41 | Lava_Croft | they advertise to use 2 different display resolutions for BBX apps |
13:53.46 | Lava_Croft | but apparently their own device doesnt use any of those |
13:54.04 | djszapiN9 | rzr w8 does not use opengl es in the first place. |
13:54.11 | rzr | confirmed ? |
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13:54.37 | djszapiN9 | they have some diret3d mobile api. |
13:54.57 | djszapiN9 | that is one reason I think they will not suceeed. |
13:55.16 | kevin_b | but they talked about opengl available for w8 x86 |
13:55.23 | kevin_b | so why not arm |
13:56.08 | Lava_Croft | its a new platform for them, its a business decision most likely |
13:56.19 | Lava_Croft | why bother with opengles when you can lock in people to your own directx |
13:56.28 | djszapiN9 | kevin_b, have you ever seen wince? |
13:56.31 | faenil | :'( |
13:56.40 | kevin_b | yea once I guess |
13:56.42 | djszapiN9 | MS is weird when it comes to mobile. |
13:56.45 | kevin_b | haha |
13:57.10 | djszapiN9 | we have this wince support in QtSerialPort |
13:57.17 | kevin_b | I dunno I just heard about a common w8 kernel for arm and x86, that would allow native code |
13:57.22 | kevin_b | so why not |
13:57.23 | djszapiN9 | it is practically a brand new backend |
13:57.37 | djszapiN9 | almost nothing to share with win32. |
13:57.58 | pa | whats the most efficient way to play a looped sound effect in qt (not qml)? |
13:58.11 | pa | like the most cpu-friendly way |
13:58.20 | kevin_b | openal? |
13:58.49 | djszapiN9 | openal is an overkill for 2d audio |
13:58.50 | pa | kevin_b, i actually need a simple bip |
13:59.13 | djszapiN9 | pa why not qml? |
13:59.56 | pa | well, coz my logic is in qt, and coz i want to be able to regulate the frequency |
14:00.00 | pa | (of the loop) |
14:00.43 | djszapiN9 | QtMultiMedia or Phonon is your friend. |
14:00.46 | pa | and apparently soundeffect in qml does not let me specify how frequently |
14:00.51 | pa | ah ok thanks |
14:01.09 | djszapiN9 | well you can use the backend. |
14:01.15 | flux | hmm, does phonon do looping natively? if not, it might not be the best option |
14:01.21 | djszapiN9 | where this can all be set. |
14:01.35 | flux | but QtMultimedia is the step below it, should do that with relative ease |
14:01.36 | djszapiN9 | flux, no |
14:01.48 | djszapiN9 | flux, but phonon backends do |
14:02.01 | flux | and then there's pa_simple :) |
14:02.04 | djszapiN9 | so yes. |
14:06.46 | rzr | btw i built qt-gstreamer |
14:07.09 | pa | what about QSound? |
14:07.13 | djszapi | do not use it |
14:07.17 | pa | is it deprecated/sycucks? |
14:07.17 | djszapi | it is dropped in Qt. |
14:07.22 | pa | ah |
14:07.35 | pa | you mean Qt5? |
14:07.44 | djszapi | yes for a good reason. |
14:07.52 | pa | ah.. which is? |
14:08.16 | djszapi | READ THE MAILING LIST |
14:08.20 | djszapi | oopsie, sorry :) |
14:08.23 | pa | =) |
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14:08.53 | djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2011-November/000573.html |
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14:11.10 | pa | djszapi, i agree with those who said it shouldnt have been dropped. rather reimplemented to use qtmultimedia behind the scene.. |
14:11.21 | pa | after all it doesnt seem an overly complicated interface |
14:11.22 | djszapi | it does not matter what you think :) |
14:11.31 | pa | i know |
14:13.54 | djszapi | or what I think. |
14:14.09 | pa | different question: do you think it's more efficient to have a short beep, and to have a qtimer that invoke the player for every single beep, or to have a recorded short loop, and have fewer invokations to the play slot ? |
14:15.58 | chem|st | does anyone have a quick inception guide at hand? website seems down |
14:16.06 | rzr | tmo |
14:16.22 | rzr | i am wondering where truck is ? |
14:17.17 | chem|st | rzr: is 0.2.5 in community repo fine? |
14:17.37 | chem|st | thread in tmo had no update since 07/22 |
14:17.47 | rzr | donno i use open kernel |
14:18.18 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=59809# Last Activity: 13th Aug 2012 22:23 |
14:18.52 | chem|st | vacation it seems |
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14:20.04 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1257240#post1257240 |
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15:15.47 | chem|st | rzr: incepted -> unrestricted-sysui -> happy! |
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15:17.19 | chem|st | MohammadAG: good job there! apart of orientation lock toogle all seem fine! (that is locking anytime for me and does not release the lock) |
15:21.01 | rzr | congratz |
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15:22.43 | MohammadAG | chem|st: Tap and hold |
15:24.17 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, sup |
15:24.29 | MohammadAG | Nm |
15:26.37 | chem|st | MohammadAG: to deactivate?! |
15:26.45 | chem|st | was looking for instructions... |
15:27.16 | beford | hi |
15:27.51 | MohammadAG | chem|st: Yes, to auto oriebt |
15:27.53 | MohammadAG | Orient |
15:28.05 | chem|st | kk |
15:28.09 | chem|st | 10q |
15:28.37 | MohammadAG | 10 quid? Thanks! |
15:28.52 | MohammadAG | (i know, jk) |
15:31.45 | Elleo | 2/8 |
15:31.46 | Elleo | oops |
15:31.57 | chem|st | MohammadAG: how do I sort mt-toggle's items? |
15:34.13 | MohammadAG | chem|st: You can't, not yet at least |
15:34.30 | chem|st | ok |
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15:47.00 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, can't u sort by names? |
15:48.49 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG, my RPI at Lod already :P |
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16:24.40 | sledges | have a good evening everyone! |
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18:09.20 | djszapiN9 | anybody using openal on Harmattan? |
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18:32.15 | rzr | X-Fade, hi please can you ping us while arround |
18:39.25 | djszapi | does anybody know if c-obs uses scratchbox 1 for the Harmattan target to build packages? |
18:39.37 | djszapi | jonni: you always know everything :) You should know ;) ^ |
18:41.07 | jonni | heh, dont know anything about c-obs, but I would assume that it would use. |
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18:44.00 | djszapi | jonni: is it normal to build with the gnueabi linux g++ stuff? |
18:44.03 | djszapi | I mean for Qt5. |
18:44.14 | djszapi | wouldn't this be unneccesary inside scratchbox in the first place? |
18:44.29 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> openal-soft for one, builds with /usr/bin/gcc |
18:44.50 | djszapi | I am having the impression the gnueabi linux g++ stuff is forced by the maemo mkspecs when I pass -platform maemo... |
18:45.14 | djszapi | I just really do not see the point of cross-compilation inside scratchbox |
18:45.24 | djszapi | that is the purpose of that, it does not need to be cross-compiled. |
18:45.31 | djszapi | I really do not know. |
18:46.22 | djszapi | # modifications to linux.conf |
18:46.22 | the-boss` | djszapi: Error: "modifications" is not a valid command. |
18:46.22 | djszapi | QMAKE_AR = arm-linux-gnueabi-ar cqs |
18:46.26 | djszapi | yeah, this stuff forces that. |
18:47.01 | djszapi | but if I do not pass the -platform maemo, then the conditions inside the qmake build system does not match.. |
18:53.14 | djszapi | quassel2go is not built with the arm toolchain either |
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18:53.28 | djszapi | I believe, this would only be needed when you have two targets in scratchbox, like x86 and arm |
18:53.34 | djszapi | and you would like to build for arm inside the x86 |
18:53.50 | djszapi | means, I do not think -platform maemo needs to be passed |
18:53.57 | djszapi | means, I may get qtbase working tonight. |
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19:13.45 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
19:13.56 | ZogG_laptop | first wp8 smartphone is even not from nokia |
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19:31.53 | rzr | ZogG_laptop, not good for samsung |
19:31.58 | rzr | ZogG_laptop, not good for samsung's tizen |
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19:40.01 | djszapi_ | rzr: do you know how to simply add a patch on top of qt5-base? |
19:40.09 | djszapi_ | I mean into the debian folder with quilt. |
19:40.23 | rzr | just add it in debian/patches/ |
19:40.30 | djszapi_ | how? |
19:40.36 | rzr | and add it in debian/patches/series |
19:40.42 | djszapi_ | isn't there a debhelper for this? |
19:40.46 | rzr | i use git-build-package |
19:40.57 | djszapi_ | it has nothing to do with git. |
19:41.10 | rzr | where did you grab the qt5 sources |
19:41.12 | rzr | ? |
19:41.34 | djszapi_ | it does not matter |
19:41.45 | rzr | plz cat debian/source/format |
19:41.48 | djszapi_ | I do not package from git. |
19:41.51 | rzr | i do |
19:42.05 | djszapi_ | I would packge dummy .git stuff that way |
19:42.05 | djszapi_ | and that is a complete no go. |
19:42.24 | djszapi_ | git archive --format=tar --prefix=qt5-base/ master | bzip2 -9 > qt5-base_5.0.0~20120829.orig.tar.bz2 |
19:42.44 | djszapi_ | the format is the usual "3.0 (quilt)". |
19:42.50 | djszapi_ | I would like to unpack the tarball |
19:42.55 | djszapi_ | I would like to modify the stuff |
19:43.04 | djszapi_ | and I would like to invoke a deb helper which generates the patch for me |
19:43.08 | djszapi_ | behind the scene |
19:43.13 | rzr | is debian in in the git tree ? |
19:43.15 | djszapi_ | I would not even like to know where it is generated. |
19:43.20 | djszapi_ | no |
19:43.22 | djszapi_ | forget git |
19:43.30 | djszapi_ | a software can come from anywhere |
19:43.35 | djszapi_ | I need a generic deb helper for this |
19:43.44 | djszapi_ | to generate the debian patches after the manual modifications. |
19:44.05 | djszapi_ | I recall there was a tool for this |
19:44.15 | rzr | dpkg-source -commit |
19:44.23 | djszapi_ | but I do not recall the command exactly. |
19:44.24 | djszapi_ | ah, yes, that may be |
19:45.34 | djszapi_ | does not work |
19:45.40 | djszapi_ | you meant --commit, I presume, but still |
19:46.26 | djszapi_ | dpkg-source: need -x or -b |
19:46.57 | djszapi_ | I need -b, I presume |
19:47.22 | djszapi_ | ok, I do not know |
19:47.38 | djszapi_ | I need a deb helper command which can generate the patch for the debian folder behind the scenes. |
19:47.53 | djszapi_ | since it is the same work for each packagers patching the upstream software. |
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19:48.50 | rzr | dpkg-source -i -I --include-binaries -isession --auto-commit --before-build |
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19:50.02 | djszapi_ | why would one need more than a binary or a generic binary with one option for this? |
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20:00.14 | ZogG_laptop | rzr, i don't like samsung anyway |
20:01.37 | djszapi_ | rzr: that command asserts the help output |
20:03.31 | rzr | man man |
20:08.59 | djszapi_ | I really dislike the whole patching ceremony for debian packaging |
20:09.04 | djszapi_ | it is overly complicated. |
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20:09.49 | rashm2k | in a c++ switch statement can i have case( xxxx || xxxx || xxxx)????? |
20:10.30 | djszapi_ | that does not make too much sense |
20:10.35 | djszapi_ | you know? |
20:11.09 | djszapi_ | you can, but really makes no sense |
20:11.27 | djszapi_ | people usually leave the break; out and they chain the cases on separate lines |
20:11.36 | djszapi_ | although certain code analyzers will assert. |
20:12.42 | piggz | rashm2k: you can, but you write; |
20:12.48 | piggz | case 1: |
20:12.51 | piggz | case 2: |
20:12.53 | piggz | case 3: |
20:12.55 | piggz | break; |
20:13.17 | rashm2k | I'll still need another case statement inside so I don't think it's worth it |
20:13.30 | rashm2k | it was more to reduce code duplication |
20:13.36 | djszapi_ | also, you can really test such simple things |
20:13.47 | djszapi_ | when I say, you can, it means you can chain them in your mind |
20:13.58 | djszapi_ | and write the final calculation after the case state |
20:14.11 | djszapi_ | but that does not make too much sense due to its implicit meaning |
20:14.23 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k, what you need it for? |
20:14.35 | ZogG_laptop | it's hard to say what to use whiout whole picture |
20:15.23 | rashm2k | a few functions all check if something is null before they can proceed |
20:15.43 | rashm2k | meant a few case statements all check if something is null |
20:16.01 | rashm2k | if the top level root element is null |
20:16.09 | rashm2k | if not they can proceed |
20:16.33 | rashm2k | thus i have isXXXXNil in quite a few statements which I wanted to reduce |
20:16.42 | djszapi_ | you need to have an integer for the case statement either way |
20:18.05 | djszapi_ | you are doing it wrong |
20:19.19 | djszapi_ | echo "int main() { int i = 0; int j = 1; int k = 2; switch (i) { case (j||0): break; default: break; } return 0;}" > main.c && gcc main.c |
20:20.04 | djszapi_ | few seconds to write a simple test case |
20:20.16 | djszapi_ | if you do not wish to look up the standard. |
20:20.39 | djszapi_ | but generally speaking, you are doing it wrong. |
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20:24.49 | djszapi_ | anybody knowing how to generate debian patches out of the box from local modification? |
20:26.38 | rzr | debuild -S will generate the patch afaik |
20:27.05 | djszapi_ | there is no debuild in scratchbox |
20:28.09 | djszapi_ | http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt |
20:28.29 | rzr | apt-get install devscripts |
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20:37.53 | djszapi_ | hates the debian packaging when it comes to patching |
20:38.20 | djszapi_ | I have spent one hour with a one liner patch, and still no clue |
20:38.31 | djszapi_ | this is utterly suboptimal for each packager needing any patching. |
20:39.21 | djszapi_ | dislikes* |
20:39.24 | rzr | i dont see the problem |
20:39.30 | djszapi_ | then why don't you help? |
20:39.31 | rzr | is your tree in scm / |
20:39.38 | djszapi_ | like I said many times: No. |
20:39.51 | djszapi_ | debian packaging has really nothing to do with vcs. |
20:40.04 | djszapi_ | orange and apple. |
20:40.23 | rzr | show the sources :) |
20:41.45 | djszapi_ | it does not really matter |
20:41.48 | djszapi_ | it is not about the sources |
20:41.55 | djszapi_ | it is about the patching procedure |
20:42.13 | djszapi_ | finally, I figured out the cumbersome process, so sharing for future reference: |
20:42.16 | djszapi_ | quilt new myPatch.diff |
20:42.21 | djszapi_ | quilt add foobar |
20:42.30 | djszapi_ | edit |
20:42.33 | djszapi_ | quilt refresh |
20:42.33 | djszapi_ | quilt pop -a |
20:42.40 | djszapi_ | mv ./patches ./debian/ |
20:42.47 | djszapi_ | 6 steps at least. |
20:43.01 | rzr | u're rinventing the wheel |
20:43.01 | djszapi_ | instead of ideally two: 1) edit 2) run helper |
20:43.14 | djszapi_ | no, that is what the official debian page writes |
20:43.32 | Corsac | the last step could be switch to export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches first :) |
20:43.52 | djszapi_ | yes, but you do not spare any steps with that |
20:43.53 | rzr | one thing to know also is to rm -rf .pc when you're lost |
20:43.56 | djszapi_ | with my idea, you do. |
20:44.08 | Corsac | but you could just edit your sources in place and let the diff in .diff.gz |
20:44.13 | djszapi_ | with my idea, you would spare 4 steps. |
20:44.27 | djszapi_ | out of the 6. |
20:44.27 | rzr | Corsac, he is using format 3.0 |
20:44.40 | djszapi_ | indeed, .diff.gz is history. |
20:44.56 | Corsac | oh, then fine, just put the patch in debian/patches and series, and you're done |
20:45.23 | djszapi_ | No! |
20:45.32 | djszapi_ | It is not fine at all to run 6 steps instead of two. |
20:45.35 | rzr | are you using iodine ? |
20:45.41 | djszapi_ | or one instead 5. |
20:45.45 | djszapi_ | if I separate the editing. |
20:45.55 | Corsac | well, then do like you want |
20:45.56 | djszapi_ | it is quite unfine. |
20:47.04 | djszapi_ | I really do not believe the debian packagers followed that cumbersome procedure without making any no brainer helper. |
20:47.30 | djszapi_ | if they had done, they are quite inefficient. |
20:47.42 | rzr | :) |
20:48.23 | djszapi_ | and to be honest |
20:48.32 | Corsac | that's because we are disturbed by random trolls on random irc channels :) |
20:48.53 | rzr | that's because we are random |
20:48.58 | djszapi_ | I recall some issues in the past in scratchbox when I modified the unpacked source, and the dpkg-buildpackage output was asserting me to run something like dpkg-source --commit |
20:49.04 | djszapi_ | and that simply managed everything |
20:49.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | /join #random |
20:50.00 | djszapi_ | this is the very first step I would do, to automate the process. |
20:50.08 | djszapi_ | when facing such issues |
20:50.30 | rzr | is a fan of git-buildpackage |
20:50.30 | djszapi_ | no way, each packager needs to recall 6 steps instead of two, making patches which are quite often the case. |
20:51.02 | Corsac | yeah, but as we are super-heros, we are able to recall 6 steps and not just 2! |
20:51.27 | djszapi_ | ah yes, certainly, I enjoyed spending more than an hour with it. |
20:51.37 | Corsac | that's because you're not one |
20:51.41 | djszapi_ | I would not have enjoyed to talk to my mother on the phone instead. |
20:51.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually just recalls he made a bashscript for it, but not the name of it |
20:52.42 | djszapi_ | dpkg should not be silly |
20:53.01 | djszapi_ | if the source is modified, it should automatically run a patch generation, done. |
20:53.26 | djszapi_ | with a dedicated binary, but maximum an option for that. |
20:53.53 | djszapi_ | it is not quite a rocket science to realize. |
20:54.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought make been made for that? |
20:54.43 | djszapi_ | is blogging about this silly situation |
21:00.47 | djszapi_ | rzr: can you please disable the gtk stuff? |
21:00.57 | djszapi_ | I am up to building qt5 now again in stable. |
21:01.13 | djszapi_ | I would need all the bandwidth and the gtk should be in testing anyways |
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21:10.50 | jesuschrist_ | hello |
21:13.57 | rzr | djszapi, sure hold on |
21:14.13 | rzr | djszapi, u're not alone https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor |
21:14.25 | rzr | no gtk |
21:14.44 | rzr | upload in :unstable please |
21:14.53 | djszapi_ | nope, sorry |
21:15.00 | djszapi_ | I do not have time to follow two repositories. |
21:15.07 | rzr | >:( |
21:15.31 | djszapi_ | I already wasted enough with a one liner patch |
21:15.44 | rzr | x ar ? |
21:15.57 | djszapi_ | pardon? |
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21:20.35 | djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> fingers crossed. |
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21:25.30 | djszapi_ | javispedro: hey, you were collecting the obs isses |
21:25.31 | djszapi_ | issues* |
21:25.40 | djszapi_ | there are two further. |
21:26.07 | djszapi_ | or perhaps three |
21:26.26 | javispedro | yeah, but they are hard to diagnose properly |
21:28.52 | djszapi_ | 1) make[4]: arm-linux-gnueabi-ar: Command not found |
21:28.59 | djszapi_ | 2) Instance unmaintained |
21:29.06 | djszapi_ | 3) Instance inaccessible. |
21:30.31 | javispedro | hum |
21:30.40 | javispedro | ar is indeed supposed to be ther... |
21:31.30 | djszapi_ | we have been trying to reach x-fade, but irc, email, and bugzilla were not enough. |
21:31.43 | djszapi_ | so the community is unfortunately stuck. |
21:31.52 | djszapi_ | I wonder if we can just set up a new instance elsewhere. |
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21:39.14 | jesuschrist_ | javispedro |
21:39.31 | jesuschrist_ | is the source code you are hositing |
21:39.38 | jesuschrist_ | on doc.javispredo etc etc |
21:39.45 | jesuschrist_ | of the 1.3 kernel correct ? |
21:40.14 | javispedro | jesuschrist_: to the best of my knowledge yes, but it's best if you compare version strings |
21:40.35 | jesuschrist_ | never tested it ? im experincing hell cross compiling it |
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23:16.02 | rzr | djszapi, ar cqs libbootstrap.a .obj/release-static/qlatincodec.o .obj/release-static/qtextcodec.o .obj/release-static/qutfcodec.o .obj/release-static/qglobal.o .obj/release-static/qlogging.o .obj/release-static/qmalloc.o .obj/release-static/qnumeric.o .obj/release-static/qabstractfileengine.o .obj/release-static/qbuffer.o .obj/release-static/qdatastream.o .obj/release-static/qdir.o .obj/release-static/qdiriterator.o .obj/release-static/qfile.o .obj/release-static |
23:16.03 | rzr | /qfileinfo.o .obj/release-static/qfilesystementry.o .obj/release-static/qfilesystemengine.o .obj/release-static/qfsfileengine.o .obj/release-static/qfsfileengine_iterator.o .obj/release-static/qiodevice.o .obj/release-static/qfiledevice.o .obj/release-static/qtemporaryfile.o .obj/release-static/qtextstream.o .obj/release-static/qcoreglobaldata.o .obj/release-static/qmetatype.o .obj/release-static/qvariant.o .obj/release-static/qsystemerror.o .obj/release-static/q |
23:16.06 | rzr | uuid.o .obj/release-static/qbitarray.o .obj/release-static/qbytearray.o .obj/release-static/qarraydata.o .obj/release-static/qbytearraymatcher.o .obj/release-static/qdatetime.o .obj/release-static/qhash.o .obj/release-static/qlist.o .obj/release-static/qlocale.o .obj/release-static/qlocale_tools.o .obj/release-static/qmap.o .obj/release-static/qregexp.o .obj/release-static/qpoint.o .obj/release-static/qrect.o .obj/release-static/qsize.o .obj/release-static/qline. |
23:16.11 | rzr | o .obj/release-static/qstring.o .obj/release-static/qstringlist.o .obj/release-static/qvector.o .obj/release-static/qvsnprintf.o .obj/release-static/qxmlutils.o .obj/release-static/qxmlstream.o .obj/release-static/qjson.o .obj/release-static/qjsondocument.o .obj/release-static/qjsonobject.o .obj/release-static/qjsonarray.o .obj/release-static/qjsonvalue.o .obj/release-static/qjsonparser.o .obj/release-static/qjsonwriter.o .obj/release-static/qfilesystemengine_uni |
23:16.17 | rzr | x.o .obj/release-static/qfilesystemiterator_unix.o .obj/release-static/qfsfileengine_unix.o |
23:16.20 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
23:16.23 | rzr | congratz |
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