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00:07.44rzrhi M4rtinK
00:07.58rzrgot some gtk's times for upcoming week
00:08.32rzrM4rtinK, remind me your gitorious id
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00:53.02M4rtinKrzr: looks like the gitorious id is martink (https://gitorious.org/~martink)
00:54.51M4rtinKrzr: I'm mostly using the (evil and not open source :) ) Github at the moment :)
01:05.11rzrM4rtinK, added u . please also bookmark http://rzr.online.fr/q/gtk
01:05.34rzrM4rtinK, and let me add you to shared repo unstable branch if you want to work on gtk
01:07.19M4rtinKrzr: ok :)
01:08.16rzrM4rtinK, any idea for https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=librsvg2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aunstable&repository=harmattan
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01:19.37M4rtinKrzr: looks like it can't find GTK
01:22.05rzrapparently
01:22.10M4rtinKrzr: I remember there were some errors with -dev packages for GTK - this might be related
01:22.36rzrwell i wont have a look at it soon
01:22.46rzrgtk rely on you now :)
01:22.59M4rtinKrzr: well, I'm really overloaded right now :)
01:23.07M4rtinKso no promises :)
01:23.08rzrtake your time
01:23.12rzrgood luck
01:23.18M4rtinKhh, thanks :)
01:23.26rzru welcome
01:23.41rzrbut we moved one step
01:23.48rzrnow it is building
01:23.52M4rtinKbtw, any changes you did on the packages I should know about ? :)
01:24.07M4rtinKnice - or they just finally fixed something in COBS :)
01:24.12rzrthere is a side effect with some other package i havent figured out
01:24.23rzrmy changes are very minor
01:24.43rzri tagged to maemo version so easy diff
01:25.24rzrM4rtinK, https://maemo.gitorious.org/+harmattan/hildon/gtk-rzr/blobs/user-rzr/debian/changelog
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01:29.21M4rtinKrzr: ok, thanks :)
01:29.34M4rtinKrzr: time to hit the deck - good night ! :)
01:31.02rzrgnite
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02:40.47Sazpaimon_http://imgur.com/a/pGZG6 some shots of the philadelphia skyline from the top floor of the comcast center, the tallest bulding in the city
02:41.12Sazpaimon_youre not allowed past the lobby unless you work there or know someone (i knew someone that works at the 55th floor)
02:43.35ieatlintah, the city of brothery love and setting for an awesome tv show
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06:23.26niwakameeither pnatd is cocky, or I'm doing something wrong :(
06:27.25niwakameanyone tried on using AT commands?
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07:09.32niwakamejonni: Yeah that basically gives access to some info
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07:09.56niwakamejonni: But there's no info about the indicator
07:11.10jonniniwakame: which indicator?
07:11.36ZogG_laptophmm wazapp was blocked after all :P
07:11.45niwakameI'm trying to get the Operator SIM Cipher Indicator
07:11.59niwakameIt basically tells to supress the cipher indicator
07:12.18niwakame(which isn't present anyways as it seems in N9)
07:12.20jonniand the question is why are you tring to get it? :)
07:12.47niwakameYou know Netmon for n900?
07:13.13niwakameBasically a rewrite for N9
07:13.18niwakameand this would be a good addition
07:13.44niwakameSo the user knows his operator is supressing the indicator
07:14.48niwakameIt would be even better to get the active cipher suite, but that's closed baseband stuff, I think
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07:15.12jonnihavent used N900 that much lately, but all the same info should be avail afaik. have you looked n900 sources to see how it fetches the date?
07:15.14jonnidata
07:15.37niwakameNetmon stuff can be done using the QSystemNetworkInfo
07:16.03niwakame(Except neighbour cells, I think)
07:20.02niwakamewhen I try I get Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied on N9
07:20.36niwakameso seems like it's there (neighbour cells)
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07:21.00jonniwell that error comes if you try the commands without right aegis capas.
07:23.13niwakameYeah this was commandline anyways...
07:23.28jonniyep you need the capas in commandline too
07:24.14niwakameBut I can't set them for terminal, right?
07:24.43rzrhi jonni , can i add u to https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships ? tell me your id
07:25.47jonnirzr: "rainisto"
07:26.07jonniniwakame: well you can, if you have right tools ;)
07:26.12rzrok done
07:26.28niwakameincepting, that is, huh?
07:27.14niwakamewell I just could write a proxy application that executes the dbus commands and has aegis manifest
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07:31.49jonniniwakame: maybe your looking something like this, I've just tested in my N9.... http://pastebin.com/Qga9uimx
07:32.37jonniit uses dbus to fetch cell neighbors
07:33.06niwakamejup exactly
07:33.48niwakamemind to share the dbus command? :)
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07:42.05jonniits just calls GetNeighbors method, nothing fancy in there.
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07:44.23jonniactually you can get the same info without using dbus at all
07:46.03jonniits just more complicated to use isi commands directly
07:46.46niwakameisi?
07:47.37niwakameah ok
07:48.26jonniniwakame: thats kind of nokia propriatary way to talk to csnet side directly.
07:49.18jonnior might even be that libcsnet headers are public, havent checked lately
07:49.32jonni(or libisi.h)
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07:53.11niwakameAt least I can't find any info on that
07:54.45TheBootroohow can i use QtMobility Publish&Subscribe to get the Sound volume and the Missed Calls count, on nokia N9 ?
07:56.04Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: about sound volume, isn't it better to use DBus ?
07:56.12Sfiet_Konstantin(just a suggestion, don't know anything about it)
07:56.42TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: why not but i can't find which api to call...
07:56.54TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: for missed calls neithers
07:57.01Sfiet_Konstantingimme a sec
07:57.10Sfiet_Konstantinfor missed calls, you will need specific apis
07:57.43TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: it's not exposed on dbus by CSD daemon or Telepathy ?
07:58.04Sfiet_KonstantinI kjust got this, dunno if it is useful qdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /com/nokia/CommHistory
07:58.43djszapi_1anybody particularly good at design patterns (OOP)? :)
07:59.14TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: where can i find the DBUS def file with methods and signals list ? for com.nokia.CommHistory
07:59.57Sfiet_Konstantinuse qdbus
08:00.06Sfiet_Konstantinit is one of the best dbus tool i have ever seen :)
08:00.17Sfiet_Konstantinentering qdbus gives a list of all interfaces
08:00.30Sfiet_Konstantinqdbus com.nokia.CommHistory gives the list of objects
08:00.42TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: can't get it to work on N9, and it won't be really usable since its qwidgets and not meant for mobile
08:00.50Sfiet_Konstantinqdbus com.nokia.CommHistory /org/freedesktop/Telepathy/Client/CommHistory gives the list of methods
08:01.02Sfiet_Konstantinwell, what are you trying to do ?
08:01.14Sfiet_Konstantinyou are trying to get info from the N9 and push it to desktop ?
08:01.38TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: i found http://iktwo.com/n9-dbus-services-pr1-2/
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08:02.06TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: yes for a client of my company, i have to develop an info tracker for N9 -> PC
08:02.35TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: i have almost all i want through QTM, but i lack missed calls count and general sound volume
08:03.22Venemo_N9hm
08:03.28Sfiet_Konstantinwoow :)
08:03.36Venemo_N9good morning
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08:03.56Sfiet_Konstantinwell TheBootroo if you want to write something that is a bridge between a n9 and a pc, be sure to have at least a n9 to test on
08:04.03Sfiet_Konstantinssh to it and play with qdbus
08:04.08Sfiet_Konstantinmorning Venemo_N9 :)
08:04.17TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: i have a N9
08:04.52TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: but how can i use QDbus on ssh ? (ps : so bad, i'm using windows at work)
08:05.23niwakamejonni: btw TY :)
08:05.37Sfiet_Konstantincan you SSH on your N9
08:05.41Sfiet_Konstantinif you can, you are done
08:05.54Sfiet_Konstantinyou can use "qdbus" command line
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08:07.29djszapi_1Venemo_N9: good morning Sir Venemo_N9.
08:12.42Sfiet_KonstantinTheBootroo: dbus-send --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.get_values string:"general"
08:15.02Venemo_N9hi, sir djszapi and djszapi_1 :)
08:15.09Venemo_N9how are you today?
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08:16.25djszapi_1Venemo_N9: trying to understand the adapter pattern through a Java example.
08:16.42djszapi_1Venemo_N9: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapter_pattern -> I am not getting this part: A further form of runtime Adapter pattern
08:17.45djszapi_1Venemo_N9: once, I understand, I will extend the wiki with a C++ example. :-)
08:18.49TheBootrooSfiet_Konstantin: i need a doc like this one i found for bluez http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/bluez/adapter-api.txt
08:19.33Venemo_N9djszapi, :)
08:20.22Venemo_N9djszapi, that is a very simple thing
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08:53.15rzrVenemo_N9: dont u understand http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/ObjectAdapter.png/300px-ObjectAdapter.png ?
08:54.01rzrthis pattern is a bit like function overload but with manual forward ...
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09:02.05djszapi_rzr: read my sentence carefully.
09:02.14djszapi_my problem was not with the image you pasted.
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09:14.09djszapi_now I got that
09:14.31djszapi_first case: factory second case: adapter + factory (more complex, should not be on that wikipage imo).
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09:14.56rzrdjszapi_: ok
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10:10.52whatsahey, who knows when did N950 PR1.3 leak?
10:10.53whatsatoday or earlier?
10:11.18faenilnot today afaik
10:11.21Arkenoiearlier
10:11.31Arkenoibtw i am seeding if anyone is still interested
10:11.45faenilbut I did not follow the event...
10:11.52faenildoes that mean we can flash 1.3 on n950?
10:12.04faenilbbl
10:12.11Arkenoiyes, but i did not try yet, my n950 is at Nokia for repair
10:12.23Arkenoii also asked if they have newer firmware, will see
10:12.33SummeliArkenoi: how did you get that into repair?
10:12.42Arkenoiasked politely
10:12.46SummeliI have broken LCD screen :(
10:12.51Arkenoimine too
10:12.59Summeliwho did you ask for it?
10:13.13SummeliI should also try to get mine fixed :)
10:13.23Arkenoilocal guys, they just have broken n950 with good screen by accident
10:13.32Summeliok
10:13.37Arkenoiso i am lucky with that
10:13.51ArkenoiSummeli, what happened with your screen?
10:13.59SummeliI'm not sure
10:14.10Arkenoimine had rotten
10:14.15Summelimaybe it got bit by cold
10:14.44Summeliit just has quite many black pixels
10:14.46Arkenoiblack stripes started to appear where mechanical connectors are on the reverse side
10:15.02Arkenoiand then it did grow
10:15.03Summeliyeah, black stripes
10:15.13Summelibut they are not filling the whole screen
10:15.14ArkenoiSummeli, same position?
10:15.16Arkenoiyes
10:15.24Arkenoithey did not but quite annoying still
10:15.30SummeliIt's kind like big spot
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11:23.17chem|stis rsync 3.0.9-1ubuntu1.0~rzr1 save to istall?
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11:32.33djszapijreznik: wow, thanks for the dancing house link :-)
11:33.21jreznikdjszapi: :)
11:34.19mgedminchem|st, I've installed rzr's rsync on my n9, it didn't explode or anything
11:35.05chem|stmgedmin: yeah syncing... ;)
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11:36.02chem|stI love fast internet
11:37.10chem|stand now I may setup backup with profilematic... hope that doesn't explode in my face...
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12:02.41rzrmgedmin: wanna test unison
12:02.47rzri just rebuilt it
12:02.57mgedminnever used unison, don't have time to learn it now
12:03.44rzrany one ?
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12:10.34jreznikhmm, I hit a problem with mfe sync... as in PR 1.3 client certificates works finally, I asked for one, got one - but now - no plain text messages are shown in Fenix... only HTML... checking activesync logs and seems like the message is correctly downloaded... any hint where should I take a look?
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12:13.49djszapirzr: can you package the arm ar for the time being?
12:13.54djszapito workaround the Qt5 build issue?
12:16.10djszapiquite messy workaround, I know, but still. :)
12:20.00chem|strzr: cli or gui?
12:20.26khertanhow can i know which libs are available in ovi store repository ? qa team say that install file, after looking at apps, look like python-gconf isn't in their repositories
12:20.38djszapikhertan: it is from the apps "repository"
12:21.38khertandjszapi, thx ... it s in the app repository
12:21.39khertanarf
12:21.47khertannokia qa ... grrr
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12:30.00sledgesjust received facebook app update on N9: 1.4.0-1+0m7 - wonder if they fixed those annoying image-not-showing-up or cant-click/view-images-posted-by-a-group/page bugs
12:31.10chem|stsledges: I'd love to have my mobileuploads folder back in use...
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12:39.04tomyriit would also be nice to see comments on event page
12:39.55djszapiis apps4meego also more or less unmaintained or just the Harmattan target on c-obs?
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12:44.34sledgesapparently none of the annoying bugs were addressed in a 1.3.2 -> 1.4.0 version bump! chem|st tomyri :|
12:45.01tomyrisuprise
12:45.42sledgeslooks like I will more and more end up using the browser, which is improving (and it's only thanks to facebook guys finding ways how to achieve good web UI on a low-end browser like Nokia's)
12:46.08sledgeshence -- it's not the web browser that it improving :D
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13:03.40GeneralAntillesDoes anybody remember that Jolla picture with the dinghy of MeeGons paddling away from Nokia's burning platforms?
13:03.46GeneralAntillesLooked a lot like this: http://nokiagadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jolla_meego_saving.jpg
13:04.43rzri have that one
13:04.45rzrlinked at
13:04.52rzrhttp://rzr.online.fr/q/mer
13:05.21DocScrutinizer51404
13:06.12DocScrutinizer51only in opera
13:06.20rzr?
13:07.02GeneralAntillesrzr, I don't see it under the Jolla links.
13:07.15Wntdo you mean this http://h12.abload.de/img/rescuehauaw.png
13:07.18DocScrutinizer51at bottom of very page
13:07.22rzrbottom of the page
13:07.30GeneralAntillesWnt, ah, bingo!
13:07.41Wnt(it was on rzr's page)
13:07.44DocScrutinizer51nice
13:07.54GeneralAntillesDon't see it on the page I've got loaded here.
13:08.19GeneralAntillesEvidently it doesn't like WebKit.
13:08.35DocScrutinizer51doesn't like opera too
13:09.10DocScrutinizer51"not reachable from this server" on opera
13:10.28GeneralAntillesWorld's most unsearchable image. Thanks, rzr.
13:10.31rzrwell opera is not opensource you cant fix it :)
13:10.49rzrGeneralAntilles: btw do u have a gitourious id ?
13:11.04GeneralAntillesrzr, if I do, it's generalantilles.
13:11.08GeneralAntillesDon't recall off-hand, though.
13:11.12rzrlet me ad u
13:11.21rzrhttps://gitorious.org/+harmattan/memberships
13:14.52faenilso did anyone flash leaked 1.3 on n950?
13:15.12rzrnot me
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13:16.08DocScrutinizer51I stopped flashing anything to N950 when I had to learn you can't rollback/downgrade
13:17.18DocScrutinizer51so I guess my N950 is the only one in this universe still running original firmware it shipped with
13:18.44rzrthis is a good idea
13:20.26ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer51, lol, but what's the point?
13:20.42ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer51, mine was shiped with pre-1.0 btw :P
13:20.45rzrbtw are there known hacks to force downgrade ?
13:21.16DocScrutinizer51none
13:21.21DocScrutinizer51afaik
13:21.31ZogG_laptopwhat deos prevent?
13:22.03DocScrutinizer51version check in bootloader
13:22.08rzrsome if to byepass somewhere
13:22.28Arkenoiuses my old n900 while n950 is being repaired.. it sloooow, but browser starts almost instantly on click -- unlike n950
13:22.39djszapirzr: there are.
13:22.41ZogG_laptopad what if i just change the version?
13:22.51ZogG_laptopi mean i''ll force it to think it's 1.4
13:23.21djszapibut 1) I would not like to talk about such things 2) I believe those things were addressed in the stable releases lately.
13:23.43ZogG_laptopArkenoi, i loved n900 browser, but one thing both are missing are tabs
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13:25.01ZogG_laptoprzr, my rpi got to israel today :P hopefully would get it till weekend
13:25.33rzrcool
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13:26.13ZogG_laptoparcean, sup :P
13:28.17rzris any of you booting nemo on 950 ?
13:28.54djszapirzr: faenil maybe?
13:29.08Lava_Croftheh
13:29.12faenilrzr, me
13:29.15Lava_Croftupdate for N9 stock FB client
13:30.28rzrfaenil: i plan to use it soon but what are the major issue so far ? i guess nokia maps will be unsupported right ?
13:32.11djszapirzr: browser is also unmaintained.
13:32.23djszapithere are tons of applications not created ever yet.
13:32.26faenilrzr, it's not ready for everyday use
13:32.59rzri saw there are mozilla binaries for mer
13:33.15djszapiyou mean for arm?
13:33.18rzryes
13:33.27rzri have to double check
13:33.33djszapithat is not quite mer specific.
13:33.39jonnirzr: I have dual boot to nemo setup on one of my n950's, but usually I boot it to harmattan side.
13:33.41djszapiyou would most likely use the same arm on Harmattan as well.
13:33.54rzri may try to rebuild/port harmattan's deb to rpm some day
13:33.59djszapijust like with Java, I presume.
13:34.39rzrjonni: i am wondering what's next deb based mobile distro ?
13:35.00rzrin the hope all i've done for harmattan will not be lost forveer :)
13:35.40jonniharmattan will live forever ;)
13:36.41faenilrzr, nemo has rpm
13:36.48faeniloh ok misread sorry
13:37.15jonnirzr: well, iPhone (Cydia) uses .deb files ;)
13:37.47jonniso answer would be iPhone and Ipod :)
13:37.58djszapido we have an rpi on the c-obs?
13:38.05djszapior any another OBS instance?
13:38.11djszapirpi target, that.
13:38.37djszapirzr: you can continue with debian on the raspberry pi.
13:38.47djszapior eventually on any ubuntu-arm...
13:39.01djszapipandaboard, beagleboard, pandaboard es, what not.
13:39.12rzri dont think i will put the rpi in my front pocket
13:39.35jonnirpiPhone :)
13:39.48djszapithing is, you could actually.
13:39.54djszapiit is very cheap and small.
13:40.28WntrpiPhone would be pretty funny project
13:41.12jonniheh, if we ever will receive rpi, the free one hasnt even been shipped, and the one which I have ordered has been delayed for 5 months already.
13:41.16djszapirpiPhone would probably be an issue for Apple in fact.
13:41.48djszapijonni: normal
13:41.54djszapido not feel alone :-)
13:41.57djszapimany went down that way.
13:42.56jonniwe will get it in 2013, and by that time rpi2 has been released :)
13:43.25djszapiI do not know what to do with the raspberry pi :)
13:43.27djszapiprobably not much
13:43.34djszapiapart from testing projects on arm simply.
13:43.43djszapilike QtSerialPort, QtAudio3D, kdelibs, etc I work on.
13:43.47jonnijust for media player for tv
13:43.54djszapiI will not build a system around the board to be able to write an application.
13:44.08djszapitoo much work
13:44.16djszapiI have platforms where I can write applications right away.
13:44.25rzrwp7
13:44.26rzr:)
13:44.28djszapiwith bigger userbase.
13:44.35djszapiso I can get more money out of that.
13:45.38rzranyway i feel the harmattan community is not really affected by the fact it is doomed :)
13:45.54djszapiwhat is doomed?
13:46.05rzrthe burning platforms
13:46.49djszapiI do not know what could currently kick Harmattan off.
13:47.01djszapiit has been a while after the dead announcement.
13:47.06djszapiand it is still here, still works nice.
13:47.21djszapicannot mention any platform this year, or even in the beginning of next year, kicking this off.
13:47.29djszapifor Qt developers, that.
13:48.13rzri am curious how what it will be in upcoming years
13:48.40rzrprobally less active that n900 scene
13:48.43djszapihopefully RIM succeeds.
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13:48.49djszapiwith their Qt empowered platform.
13:49.22rzrif they release bbx devices
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13:49.25rzrelse no way
13:49.35djszapithat is what "succeeds" means./
13:49.45rzri didnt even manage to use the sdk sim
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13:52.27djszapiN9Qt is much more advanced on BB than Android.
13:52.59djszapiN9It is also officially supported there, and not maintained by 2-3 hobbyists.
13:53.03rzrdefinitly
13:53.14rzrwell this could change...
13:53.28Lava_CroftRIM is awful
13:53.32rzrwill wp8+ a decent target for qt too ?
13:53.41Lava_Croftthey advertise to use 2 different display resolutions for BBX apps
13:53.46Lava_Croftbut apparently their own device doesnt use any of those
13:54.04djszapiN9rzr w8 does not use opengl es in the first place.
13:54.11rzrconfirmed ?
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13:54.37djszapiN9they have some diret3d mobile api.
13:54.57djszapiN9that is one reason I think they will not suceeed.
13:55.16kevin_bbut they talked about opengl available for w8 x86
13:55.23kevin_bso why not arm
13:56.08Lava_Croftits a new platform for them, its a business decision most likely
13:56.19Lava_Croftwhy bother with opengles when you can lock in people to your own directx
13:56.28djszapiN9kevin_b, have you ever seen wince?
13:56.31faenil:'(
13:56.40kevin_byea once I guess
13:56.42djszapiN9MS is weird when it comes to mobile.
13:56.45kevin_bhaha
13:57.10djszapiN9we have this wince support in QtSerialPort
13:57.17kevin_bI dunno I just heard about a common w8 kernel for arm and x86, that would allow native code
13:57.22kevin_bso why not
13:57.23djszapiN9it is practically a brand new backend
13:57.37djszapiN9almost nothing to share with win32.
13:57.58pawhats the most efficient way to play a looped sound effect in qt (not qml)?
13:58.11palike the most cpu-friendly way
13:58.20kevin_bopenal?
13:58.49djszapiN9openal is an overkill for 2d audio
13:58.50pakevin_b, i actually need a simple bip
13:59.13djszapiN9pa why not qml?
13:59.56pawell, coz my logic is in qt, and coz i want to be able to regulate the frequency
14:00.00pa(of the loop)
14:00.43djszapiN9QtMultiMedia or Phonon is your friend.
14:00.46paand apparently soundeffect in qml does not let me specify how frequently
14:00.51paah ok thanks
14:01.09djszapiN9well you can use the backend.
14:01.15fluxhmm, does phonon do looping natively? if not, it might not be the best option
14:01.21djszapiN9where this can all be set.
14:01.35fluxbut QtMultimedia is the step below it, should do that with relative ease
14:01.36djszapiN9flux, no
14:01.48djszapiN9flux, but phonon backends do
14:02.01fluxand then there's pa_simple :)
14:02.04djszapiN9so yes.
14:06.46rzrbtw i built qt-gstreamer
14:07.09pawhat about QSound?
14:07.13djszapido not use it
14:07.17pais it deprecated/sycucks?
14:07.17djszapiit is dropped in Qt.
14:07.22paah
14:07.35payou mean Qt5?
14:07.44djszapiyes for a good reason.
14:07.52paah.. which is?
14:08.16djszapiREAD THE MAILING LIST
14:08.20djszapioopsie, sorry :)
14:08.23pa=)
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14:08.53djszapihttp://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2011-November/000573.html
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14:11.10padjszapi, i agree with those who said it shouldnt have been dropped. rather reimplemented to use qtmultimedia behind the scene..
14:11.21paafter all it doesnt seem an overly complicated interface
14:11.22djszapiit does not matter what you think :)
14:11.31pai know
14:13.54djszapior what I think.
14:14.09padifferent question: do you think it's more efficient to have a short beep, and to have a qtimer that invoke the player for every single beep, or to have a recorded short loop, and have fewer invokations to the play slot ?
14:15.58chem|stdoes anyone have a quick inception guide at hand? website seems down
14:16.06rzrtmo
14:16.22rzri am wondering where truck is ?
14:17.17chem|strzr: is 0.2.5 in community repo fine?
14:17.37chem|stthread in tmo had no update since 07/22
14:17.47rzrdonno i use open kernel
14:18.18rzrhttp://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=59809# Last Activity: 13th Aug 2012 22:23
14:18.52chem|stvacation it seems
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14:20.04rzrhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1257240#post1257240
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15:15.47chem|strzr: incepted -> unrestricted-sysui -> happy!
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15:17.19chem|stMohammadAG: good job there! apart of orientation lock toogle all seem fine! (that is locking anytime for me and does not release the lock)
15:21.01rzrcongratz
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15:22.43MohammadAGchem|st: Tap and hold
15:24.17ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, sup
15:24.29MohammadAGNm
15:26.37chem|stMohammadAG: to deactivate?!
15:26.45chem|stwas looking for instructions...
15:27.16befordhi
15:27.51MohammadAGchem|st: Yes, to auto oriebt
15:27.53MohammadAGOrient
15:28.05chem|stkk
15:28.09chem|st10q
15:28.37MohammadAG10 quid? Thanks!
15:28.52MohammadAG(i know, jk)
15:31.45Elleo2/8
15:31.46Elleooops
15:31.57chem|stMohammadAG: how do I sort mt-toggle's items?
15:34.13MohammadAGchem|st: You can't, not yet at least
15:34.30chem|stok
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15:47.00ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, can't u sort by names?
15:48.49ZogG_laptopMohammadAG, my RPI at Lod already :P
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16:24.40sledgeshave a good evening everyone!
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16:45.31rzrhi sledges still hacking on s103t ?
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18:09.20djszapiN9anybody using openal on Harmattan?
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18:32.15rzrX-Fade, hi please can you ping us while arround
18:39.25djszapidoes anybody know if c-obs uses scratchbox 1 for the Harmattan target to build packages?
18:39.37djszapijonni: you always know everything :) You should know ;) ^
18:41.07jonniheh, dont know anything about c-obs, but I would assume that it would use.
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18:44.00djszapijonni: is it normal to build with the gnueabi linux g++ stuff?
18:44.03djszapiI mean for Qt5.
18:44.14djszapiwouldn't this be unneccesary inside scratchbox in the first place?
18:44.29djszapihttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> openal-soft for one, builds with /usr/bin/gcc
18:44.50djszapiI am having the impression the gnueabi linux g++ stuff is forced by the maemo mkspecs when I pass -platform maemo...
18:45.14djszapiI just really do not see the point of cross-compilation inside scratchbox
18:45.24djszapithat is the purpose of that, it does not need to be cross-compiled.
18:45.31djszapiI really do not know.
18:46.22djszapi# modifications to linux.conf
18:46.22the-boss`djszapi: Error: "modifications" is not a valid command.
18:46.22djszapiQMAKE_AR                = arm-linux-gnueabi-ar cqs
18:46.26djszapiyeah, this stuff forces that.
18:47.01djszapibut if I do not pass the -platform maemo, then the conditions inside the qmake build system does not match..
18:53.14djszapiquassel2go is not built with the arm toolchain either
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18:53.28djszapiI believe, this would only be needed when you have two targets in scratchbox, like x86 and arm
18:53.34djszapiand you would like to build for arm inside the x86
18:53.50djszapimeans, I do not think -platform maemo needs to be passed
18:53.57djszapimeans, I may get qtbase working tonight.
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19:13.45ZogG_laptoplol
19:13.56ZogG_laptopfirst wp8 smartphone is even not from nokia
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19:31.53rzrZogG_laptop, not good for samsung
19:31.58rzrZogG_laptop, not good for samsung's tizen
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19:40.01djszapi_rzr: do you know how to simply add a patch on top of qt5-base?
19:40.09djszapi_I mean into the debian folder with quilt.
19:40.23rzrjust add it in debian/patches/
19:40.30djszapi_how?
19:40.36rzrand add it in debian/patches/series
19:40.42djszapi_isn't there a debhelper for this?
19:40.46rzri use git-build-package
19:40.57djszapi_it has nothing to do with git.
19:41.10rzrwhere did you grab the qt5 sources
19:41.12rzr?
19:41.34djszapi_it does not matter
19:41.45rzrplz cat  debian/source/format
19:41.48djszapi_I do not package from git.
19:41.51rzri do
19:42.05djszapi_I would packge dummy .git stuff that way
19:42.05djszapi_and that is a complete no go.
19:42.24djszapi_git archive --format=tar --prefix=qt5-base/ master | bzip2 -9 > qt5-base_5.0.0~20120829.orig.tar.bz2
19:42.44djszapi_the format is the usual "3.0 (quilt)".
19:42.50djszapi_I would like to unpack the tarball
19:42.55djszapi_I would like to modify the stuff
19:43.04djszapi_and I would like to invoke a deb helper which generates the patch for me
19:43.08djszapi_behind the scene
19:43.13rzris debian in in the git tree ?
19:43.15djszapi_I would not even like to know where it is generated.
19:43.20djszapi_no
19:43.22djszapi_forget git
19:43.30djszapi_a software can come from anywhere
19:43.35djszapi_I need a generic deb helper for this
19:43.44djszapi_to generate the debian patches after the manual modifications.
19:44.05djszapi_I recall there was a tool for this
19:44.15rzrdpkg-source -commit
19:44.23djszapi_but I do not recall the command exactly.
19:44.24djszapi_ah, yes, that may be
19:45.34djszapi_does not work
19:45.40djszapi_you meant --commit, I presume, but still
19:46.26djszapi_dpkg-source: need -x or -b
19:46.57djszapi_I need -b, I presume
19:47.22djszapi_ok, I do not know
19:47.38djszapi_I need a deb helper command which can generate the patch for the debian folder behind the scenes.
19:47.53djszapi_since it is the same work for each packagers patching the upstream software.
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19:48.50rzrdpkg-source -i -I --include-binaries -isession --auto-commit --before-build
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19:50.02djszapi_why would one need more than a binary or a generic binary with one option for this?
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20:00.14ZogG_laptoprzr, i don't like samsung anyway
20:01.37djszapi_rzr: that command asserts the help output
20:03.31rzrman man
20:08.59djszapi_I really dislike the whole patching ceremony for debian packaging
20:09.04djszapi_it is overly complicated.
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20:09.49rashm2kin a c++ switch statement can i have case( xxxx || xxxx || xxxx)?????
20:10.30djszapi_that does not make too much sense
20:10.35djszapi_you know?
20:11.09djszapi_you can, but really makes no sense
20:11.27djszapi_people usually leave the break; out and they chain the cases on separate lines
20:11.36djszapi_although certain code analyzers will assert.
20:12.42piggzrashm2k: you can, but you write;
20:12.48piggzcase 1:
20:12.51piggzcase 2:
20:12.53piggzcase 3:
20:12.55piggzbreak;
20:13.17rashm2kI'll still need another case statement inside so I don't think it's worth it
20:13.30rashm2kit was more to reduce code duplication
20:13.36djszapi_also, you can really test such simple things
20:13.47djszapi_when I say, you can, it means you can chain them in your mind
20:13.58djszapi_and write the final calculation after the case state
20:14.11djszapi_but that does not make too much sense due to its implicit meaning
20:14.23ZogG_laptoprashm2k, what you need it for?
20:14.35ZogG_laptopit's hard to say what to use whiout whole picture
20:15.23rashm2ka few functions all check if something is null before they can proceed
20:15.43rashm2kmeant a few case statements all check if something is null
20:16.01rashm2kif the top level root element is null
20:16.09rashm2kif not they can proceed
20:16.33rashm2kthus i have isXXXXNil in quite a few statements which I wanted to reduce
20:16.42djszapi_you need to have an integer for the case statement either way
20:18.05djszapi_you are doing it wrong
20:19.19djszapi_echo "int main() { int i = 0; int j = 1; int k = 2; switch (i) { case (j||0): break; default: break; } return 0;}" > main.c && gcc main.c
20:20.04djszapi_few seconds to write a simple test case
20:20.16djszapi_if you do not wish to look up the standard.
20:20.39djszapi_but generally speaking, you are doing it wrong.
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20:24.49djszapi_anybody knowing how to generate debian patches out of the box from local modification?
20:26.38rzrdebuild -S will generate the patch afaik
20:27.05djszapi_there is no debuild in scratchbox
20:28.09djszapi_http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt
20:28.29rzrapt-get install devscripts
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20:37.53djszapi_hates the debian packaging when it comes to patching
20:38.20djszapi_I have spent one hour with a one liner patch, and still no clue
20:38.31djszapi_this is utterly suboptimal for each packager needing any patching.
20:39.21djszapi_dislikes*
20:39.24rzri dont see the problem
20:39.30djszapi_then why don't you help?
20:39.31rzris your tree in scm /
20:39.38djszapi_like I said many times: No.
20:39.51djszapi_debian packaging has really nothing to do with vcs.
20:40.04djszapi_orange and apple.
20:40.23rzrshow the sources :)
20:41.45djszapi_it does not really matter
20:41.48djszapi_it is not about the sources
20:41.55djszapi_it is about the patching procedure
20:42.13djszapi_finally, I figured out the cumbersome process, so sharing for future reference:
20:42.16djszapi_quilt new myPatch.diff
20:42.21djszapi_quilt add foobar
20:42.30djszapi_edit
20:42.33djszapi_quilt refresh
20:42.33djszapi_quilt pop -a
20:42.40djszapi_mv ./patches ./debian/
20:42.47djszapi_6 steps at least.
20:43.01rzru're rinventing the wheel
20:43.01djszapi_instead of ideally two: 1) edit 2) run helper
20:43.14djszapi_no, that is what the official debian page writes
20:43.32Corsacthe last step could be switch to export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches first :)
20:43.52djszapi_yes, but you do not spare any steps with that
20:43.53rzrone thing to know also is to rm -rf .pc when you're lost
20:43.56djszapi_with my idea, you do.
20:44.08Corsacbut you could just edit your sources in place and let the diff in .diff.gz
20:44.13djszapi_with my idea, you would spare 4 steps.
20:44.27djszapi_out of the 6.
20:44.27rzrCorsac, he is using format 3.0
20:44.40djszapi_indeed, .diff.gz is history.
20:44.56Corsacoh, then fine, just put the patch in debian/patches and series, and you're done
20:45.23djszapi_No!
20:45.32djszapi_It is not fine at all to run 6 steps instead of two.
20:45.35rzrare you using iodine ?
20:45.41djszapi_or one instead 5.
20:45.45djszapi_if I separate the editing.
20:45.55Corsacwell, then do like you want
20:45.56djszapi_it is quite unfine.
20:47.04djszapi_I really do not believe the debian packagers followed that cumbersome procedure without making any no brainer helper.
20:47.30djszapi_if they had done, they are quite inefficient.
20:47.42rzr:)
20:48.23djszapi_and to be honest
20:48.32Corsacthat's because we are disturbed by random trolls on random irc channels :)
20:48.53rzrthat's because we are random
20:48.58djszapi_I recall some issues in the past in scratchbox when I modified the unpacked source, and the dpkg-buildpackage output was asserting me to run something like dpkg-source --commit
20:49.04djszapi_and that simply managed everything
20:49.52DocScrutinizer51/join #random
20:50.00djszapi_this is the very first step I would do, to automate the process.
20:50.08djszapi_when facing such issues
20:50.30rzris a fan of git-buildpackage
20:50.30djszapi_no way, each packager needs to recall 6 steps instead of two, making patches which are quite often the case.
20:51.02Corsacyeah, but as we are super-heros, we are able to recall 6 steps and not just 2!
20:51.27djszapi_ah yes, certainly, I enjoyed spending more than an hour with it.
20:51.37Corsacthat's because you're not one
20:51.41djszapi_I would not have enjoyed to talk to my mother on the phone instead.
20:51.58DocScrutinizer51usually just recalls he made a bashscript for it, but not the name of it
20:52.42djszapi_dpkg should not be silly
20:53.01djszapi_if the source is modified, it should automatically run a patch generation, done.
20:53.26djszapi_with a dedicated binary, but maximum an option for that.
20:53.53djszapi_it is not quite a rocket science to realize.
20:54.30DocScrutinizer51thought make been made for that?
20:54.43djszapi_is blogging about this silly situation
21:00.47djszapi_rzr: can you please disable the gtk stuff?
21:00.57djszapi_I am up to building qt5 now again in stable.
21:01.13djszapi_I would need all the bandwidth and the gtk should be in testing anyways
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21:10.50jesuschrist_hello
21:13.57rzrdjszapi, sure hold on
21:14.13rzrdjszapi, u're not alone https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor
21:14.25rzrno gtk
21:14.44rzrupload in :unstable please
21:14.53djszapi_nope, sorry
21:15.00djszapi_I do not have time to follow two repositories.
21:15.07rzr>:(
21:15.31djszapi_I already wasted enough with a one liner patch
21:15.44rzrx ar ?
21:15.57djszapi_pardon?
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21:20.35djszapi_https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> fingers crossed.
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21:25.30djszapi_javispedro: hey, you were collecting the obs isses
21:25.31djszapi_issues*
21:25.40djszapi_there are two further.
21:26.07djszapi_or perhaps three
21:26.26javispedroyeah, but they are hard to diagnose properly
21:28.52djszapi_1) make[4]: arm-linux-gnueabi-ar: Command not found
21:28.59djszapi_2) Instance unmaintained
21:29.06djszapi_3) Instance inaccessible.
21:30.31javispedrohum
21:30.40javispedroar is indeed supposed to be ther...
21:31.30djszapi_we have been trying to reach x-fade, but irc, email, and bugzilla were not enough.
21:31.43djszapi_so the community is unfortunately stuck.
21:31.52djszapi_I wonder if we can just set up a new instance elsewhere.
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21:39.14jesuschrist_javispedro
21:39.31jesuschrist_is the source code you are hositing
21:39.38jesuschrist_on doc.javispredo etc etc
21:39.45jesuschrist_of the 1.3 kernel correct ?
21:40.14javispedrojesuschrist_: to the best of my knowledge yes, but it's best if you compare version strings
21:40.35jesuschrist_never tested it ? im experincing hell cross compiling it
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21:56.33Elleois there some way of disabling the internet connection dialog pop up when network requests are made in an app without setting a qnetworkmanager explicitly to offline mode?
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