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| 01:59.57 | teleshoes | anyone know how to install inconsolatas? |
| 02:00.10 | teleshoes | *Inconsolata |
| 02:01.38 | teleshoes | can i just stick it in /usr/share/fonts? |
| 02:02.16 | teleshoes | its an otf |
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| 02:20.34 | louisdk | Sleepless. Love my N950. Fullbrown pocket PC :D |
| 02:20.59 | teleshoes | heh sounds like you could use sleep |
| 02:21.07 | teleshoes | (full-brown) |
| 02:21.32 | teleshoes | im a member of the super-jealous-of-the-n950-despite-everyone-assuring-me-it-sucks |
| 02:26.17 | louisdk | he he. are you a nember of the n950club on facebook? :) |
| 02:26.34 | teleshoes | nope |
| 02:27.04 | teleshoes | if i had an n950, tho, everyone would know about it |
| 02:27.28 | teleshoes | id tell every single person i met until someone strangled me |
| 02:27.53 | ieatlint | my guess is they'd just rob you pretty soon |
| 02:28.00 | teleshoes | mm |
| 02:29.12 | louisdk | well. i was at locale fross camp this summer and at least ten people said that they would steal my phone while i was asleep, but nothing happened :p |
| 02:29.40 | teleshoes | heh |
| 02:29.44 | ieatlint | i keep mine at home so it's safe :P |
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| 02:30.12 | louisdk | well. i've brought a E7 cover for it. |
| 02:30.39 | ieatlint | i can't imagine that fits too well |
| 02:30.55 | louisdk | i meant a case. |
| 02:31.04 | louisdk | and it does. |
| 02:31.12 | ieatlint | yeah, i can see it fitting in a case |
| 02:31.43 | louisdk | a nice rubber case on ebay. |
| 02:32.01 | ieatlint | but a cover.. the monitor on the e7 is recessed from the top/bottom, whereas the n950 goes to the edges |
| 02:33.41 | louisdk | i cover for e7 woun't feet i agree. i saw a cover for n950 on a uk spare part side, but it was quite expensive. i guess because it custom made. |
| 02:35.49 | louisdk | btw i saw the launta prototype device. the design doesn't look like an upgrade compaired to the n950. the back-over is not flat and it's difficault to change things like the battery as on the n9. |
| 02:38.33 | ieatlint | eh, would still have preferred nfc |
| 02:39.06 | ieatlint | and despite the issues with the pentile display, the amoled aspect gives the n9 one of my favourite unique features.. the standby screen |
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| 02:39.57 | louisdk | well i miss the standby screen too. |
| 02:41.46 | louisdk | i have a broken n9 that i want to repair and then sell. i need a new middle chasis, but i can't find one without having to buy a new back cover. |
| 02:41.48 | teleshoes | oh yea |
| 02:41.51 | teleshoes | thats my only solace |
| 02:42.02 | teleshoes | i LOVE the standby screen |
| 02:42.36 | teleshoes | especially with lpsmagic and n9-button-monitor |
| 02:43.05 | louisdk | teleshoes: I still prefers a full qwerty keyboard over the standby screen :) |
| 02:43.09 | teleshoes | yea |
| 02:43.12 | teleshoes | i would too |
| 02:43.26 | teleshoes | but standby screen is real real nice |
| 02:44.47 | ieatlint | i wonder if nokia patented it |
| 02:45.04 | ieatlint | and why it's not made an appearance on their windows phones |
| 02:45.28 | teleshoes | i dont think anyone really cared about it |
| 02:45.30 | teleshoes | and im sure they did |
| 02:45.50 | ieatlint | it's also on several symbian phones, and was well reviewed |
| 02:45.57 | teleshoes | oh, didnt know thta |
| 02:46.01 | ieatlint | it's actually probably the most common feature others see and like on my n9 |
| 02:46.04 | teleshoes | i bet lotsa phones will have them soon |
| 02:46.20 | teleshoes | i always have trouble showing off how awesome my phone is |
| 02:46.45 | ieatlint | yeah, i believe all the symbian belle phones with amoled screens have it.. my n8 and c7 have it, and i know the 700, 701 at least do too |
| 02:47.22 | ieatlint | the double tap to unlock is a feature i've seen no where else, and would love to see again |
| 02:47.31 | teleshoes | i hate that shit |
| 02:47.32 | teleshoes | personally |
| 02:47.53 | teleshoes | i turned that off after about 3 days |
| 02:47.54 | ieatlint | the n9 is the most ambidextrous phone i've ever seen |
| 02:48.01 | teleshoes | true dat homes |
| 02:48.02 | louisdk | the n9 has many oniqure features ignored by the greater public do to lack of marketing and focus on it. and i really don't see why the 808 could'nt be a meego phone. |
| 02:49.10 | teleshoes | the greater public says mysterious phrases like 'no apps' |
| 02:49.21 | louisdk | elop just don't want linux or nokia to success. wp is more importent |
| 02:49.38 | teleshoes | enough elop bashing |
| 02:51.04 | louisdk | teleshoes: it has quite a good handfull of usefull apps. even my local broacasters have apps for meego. but if harmattan was released on more phones many more apps would be ported. |
| 02:51.41 | ieatlint | meh, dreams of what could have been are pointless |
| 02:52.16 | ieatlint | i'm just hoping that the features i really like that are unique to harmattan appear again elsewhere |
| 02:52.24 | teleshoes | i dont understand what people are talking about when they say apps |
| 02:52.34 | ieatlint | then again, apple will probably just use them and then claim they invented them :P |
| 02:53.19 | ieatlint | tis a shame no one thought of creating a device with rounded corners before apple |
| 02:53.26 | teleshoes | hah |
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| 02:57.37 | louisdk | i just hope that jolla would release a qwerty phone in the next year. i don't just want an open os. i want a full-brown linux pocket pc that either run x or wayland. |
| 02:57.53 | teleshoes | full-brown? |
| 02:58.35 | teleshoes | your n950 runs X |
| 03:02.08 | louisdk | teleshoes: i know. x forwarding over ssh works. but i hope that jolla would be a great successor, so i can get a new phone when this is old. |
| 03:04.39 | teleshoes | yea |
| 03:04.44 | teleshoes | i hope they make a phone and not a tablet |
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| 03:37.59 | teleshoes | can someone whos not using openmode tell me if this package works? |
| 03:38.07 | teleshoes | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/fonts-inconsolata/fonts-inconsolata_001.010-4_all.deb |
| 03:38.22 | teleshoes | works for me |
| 03:53.15 | louisdk | extra fonts? |
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| 04:36.56 | Dante_J | Anyone aware of conky being available for the N9? |
| 04:49.16 | jonni | Dante_J: yes, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81392 |
| 04:56.29 | Dante_J | thank you jonni - beautiful! |
| 04:58.41 | Dante_J | How about a Wifi information app like this: WifiInfo http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/wifiinfo/ ? |
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| 05:02.18 | ieatlint | there's an app called "MeeWiMan" similar to that |
| 05:02.29 | ieatlint | it's in the app store |
| 05:03.39 | Dante_J | thanks ieatlint - did'nt see it when I was searching for an equivalent. Cheers |
| 05:05.24 | djszapi_ | ieatlint: heyo sup sir |
| 05:06.29 | ieatlint | hey |
| 05:06.31 | ieatlint | how goes? |
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| 05:07.24 | djszapi_ | trying to play with snowshoe :) |
| 05:07.36 | djszapi_ | qt5/webkit2 based qml browser |
| 05:07.41 | djszapi_ | entirely open source :) |
| 05:08.06 | djszapi_ | looks much better than grob altogether. |
| 05:08.13 | ieatlint | yeah, i've seen it |
| 05:09.01 | ieatlint | it didn't seem to offer too much of an advantage |
| 05:10.25 | djszapi_ | well, it is open source for starter. |
| 05:11.16 | djszapi_ | so there is no situation of "oh grob fails again, let us fix it.. oh wait, it is closed". |
| 05:11.47 | ieatlint | yeah.. it's a good demo |
| 05:12.01 | djszapi_ | or "hmm, I would need a functionality that grob has... oopsie it is not open, so we cannot actually check". |
| 05:12.31 | djszapi_ | in addition, grob is not based on qml |
| 05:12.36 | djszapi_ | means, it is hard to extend. |
| 05:12.45 | djszapi_ | it has a huge list of bugreports. |
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| 07:21.22 | susundbe1g | Good morning everyone -- my N9 does not mount /home/user/MyDocs on boot. Sofar i have fixed this by doing manual mount with opensh -- i though fixing this my modifying /etc/fstab but what would be the proper solution? |
| 07:21.34 | susundbe1g | (oh should i be at #N9?) |
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| 07:24.35 | susundbe1g | And what do you think -- is that file safe to edit as 'cat /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist |grep fstab' shows nothing but lib/udev/fstab_import |
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| 08:42.01 | divan | hi all. does anyone use pyside-assistant in MacOS X? |
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| 08:50.59 | pa | you shouldnt use pyside-assistant first of all :) it generates packages that are not optified |
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| 10:58.25 | divan | pa, I've seen a hack for creating optified debs. But, is there any tool or way to create proper debs? |
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| 11:02.46 | pa | there was a nice howto |
| 11:03.07 | pa | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5880 |
| 11:03.13 | pa | i used it, it works very well |
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| 11:16.00 | djszapi_ | jonni: can you try qt5-components again? |
| 11:16.03 | djszapi_ | and run the example? |
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| 11:36.09 | susundbe1g | I dont get it: script 'init/mount-home.conf' that might be launched at boot (at least its protected by aegis) should mount tmpfs at MyDocs if something goes wrong with the normal mounting but after reboot mount|grep MyDocs shows nothing |
| 11:37.01 | susundbe1g | (The original problem beeing that after reboot my N9 doesnt have MyDocs properly mounted) |
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| 11:47.03 | susundbe1g | Anyone? Any tips what to look for would be appriciated, or any tips that this is know and unfixable bug or similar? |
| 11:56.25 | djszapi_ | anybody feels like trying my qt5-components package in the community repository? |
| 11:56.29 | djszapi_ | It would be a nice help :-) |
| 11:56.33 | djszapi_ | just install and run the example. |
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| 12:01.56 | susundbe1g | this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=qt5-components&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard ? |
| 12:02.41 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: just "fakeroot apt-get install qt5-components" |
| 12:02.42 | divan | pa, awesome. Thanks a lot. I guess this method should also work on the device itself, right? |
| 12:02.53 | djszapi_ | once you have the community repository in your sources list on the device |
| 12:02.58 | djszapi_ | along with the harmattan repository. |
| 12:05.07 | pa | divan, hm probably, never tried tho :) |
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| 12:06.49 | susundbe1g | sorry djszapi_, without futher instructions i cannot do anything: like what would be the community repository location, and i would rather also read something like 'it doesnt fuck up your package manager' or 'suitable for N9 pr1.3'. |
| 12:07.19 | susundbe1g | or is the community repository maybe intendent only for developer-platforms -- not for daily use ? |
| 12:07.25 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: check the landing page |
| 12:07.28 | djszapi_ | it is all documented |
| 12:07.40 | djszapi_ | also, it installs the files into /opt/qt5 so it cannot break your system |
| 12:07.51 | djszapi_ | nobody reported that |
| 12:07.55 | djszapi_ | only reports so far is runtime issues |
| 12:08.02 | djszapi_ | which I am trying to fix, but I need testers from the community ... |
| 12:08.16 | djszapi_ | so |
| 12:08.17 | susundbe1g | ( http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page ) -- this one? |
| 12:08.17 | djszapi_ | echo 'deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list |
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| 12:08.33 | djszapi_ | please also add this one: deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free |
| 12:08.46 | djszapi_ | and then just "fakeroot apt-get update && apt-get install qt5-components" |
| 12:08.54 | djszapi_ | and then /opt./qt5/bin/QmlComponentsGallery |
| 12:09.03 | djszapi_ | or how the example is called :-) |
| 12:10.34 | djszapi_ | perhaps I should upload all this to Ovi. |
| 12:10.37 | djszapi_ | submit* |
| 12:10.48 | pa | yea, meeTrainer 0.2.2 available on the store, eventuallly |
| 12:10.53 | pa | djszapi, ofc u should |
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| 12:11.01 | susundbe1g | or why not http://apps.formeego.org/applications/ ? |
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| 12:19.31 | susundbe1g | mm, adding those repos gives me updates that didn't exists before .. i am bit afraid of them .. |
| 12:20.04 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: because app for meego sucks. |
| 12:20.08 | djszapi_ | apps* |
| 12:20.19 | susundbe1g | k, good enough reason :) |
| 12:21.12 | susundbe1g | "libgpg-error0 libogg0 libpixman-1-0 lzop |
| 12:21.18 | djszapi_ | pa: you are aware of that you are not talking to me when you talk to djszapi? |
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| 12:21.41 | pa | ups.. i missed the _ |
| 12:22.39 | djszapi_ | pa: well I would not like to submit until the orientation and touch issues are fixed. |
| 12:23.29 | pa | ah i see |
| 12:23.53 | pa | what does qt5-components exactly include? |
| 12:24.11 | pa | i guess no qtmobility, right? |
| 12:24.27 | djszapi_ | in Qt5? |
| 12:24.30 | djszapi_ | not really, no. |
| 12:24.35 | djszapi_ | why would you? |
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| 12:24.40 | djszapi_ | There are QtSensors |
| 12:24.42 | djszapi_ | QtLocation |
| 12:24.43 | djszapi_ | etc |
| 12:24.47 | djszapi_ | QtMultimedia |
| 12:24.52 | djszapi_ | you do not really have a good reason fro that |
| 12:24.54 | djszapi_ | for* |
| 12:24.57 | pa | but so what is qtmobility for? |
| 12:25.15 | pa | well ok, contacts i guess are not in stock qt |
| 12:25.35 | djszapi_ | it is |
| 12:25.37 | djszapi_ | QtPim |
| 12:25.39 | djszapi_ | anyawys |
| 12:25.41 | djszapi_ | anyways* |
| 12:25.55 | djszapi_ | good test example will be the new Qt5 and Webkit2 based open source browser, called snowshoe |
| 12:26.01 | djszapi_ | written mostly in qml |
| 12:26.08 | djszapi_ | aside from some glue |
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| 12:27.37 | heymaster | So Symbian is not dead? I will get update for my Nokia 500 |
| 12:27.44 | heymaster | :) |
| 12:27.51 | pa | heh, if it is not , it will be soon :) |
| 12:30.51 | heymaster | i though it's dead when i bought my phone :) |
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| 12:34.06 | djszapi_ | this browser is actually seems quite impressive. |
| 12:34.18 | heymaster | just thinking does Jolla platform will have appstore ? |
| 12:34.18 | djszapi_ | browser actually* |
| 12:34.21 | susundbe1g | djszapi_: installing that package requires ~75M of other stuff required and the community repo has 6 updates, i think i am too afraid to proceed with my only phone .. |
| 12:34.40 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: 75 MB on a flash with 16 GB? |
| 12:35.03 | djszapi_ | perhaps you should listen to the old Deep Purple song? :) |
| 12:35.07 | susundbe1g | :) |
| 12:35.29 | djszapi_ | well it is up to you. I would not like to demand. |
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| 12:37.48 | susundbe1g | oh, i will just do purge later and cross my fingers .. the home mounting is not working anyway so re-flash might do good .. |
| 12:38.20 | susundbe1g | btw any ideas if somebody has mirrored: https://endno.de/~itsnotabigtruck/inception/ |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | so why speculate :) |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | heymaster: what is this hype around Jolla? There are no Jolla devices :) |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | just because it has a lot of hype, it does not mean, it has anything usable for us :) |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | communication is heaven, reality is nothing pretty much so far for us :) |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | also, afaik, they do not use Qt5 anyways |
| 12:38.27 | djszapi_ | so not much interest for me. |
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| 12:40.47 | heymaster | djszapi_: yes, you right |
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| 12:41.30 | heymaster | so which platform to use? |
| 12:41.32 | heymaster | :) |
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| 12:43.00 | djszapi_ | heymaster: as for me harmattan seems only capable for Qt5 |
| 12:43.06 | djszapi_ | that is why I have been working on this recently. |
| 12:43.21 | djszapi_ | no other platforms aside desktop |
| 12:43.25 | djszapi_ | RIM is getting there, but not there |
| 12:43.31 | djszapi_ | raspberry pi is a hype |
| 12:43.35 | djszapi_ | no devices to the community |
| 12:43.39 | djszapi_ | and of course not a target system |
| 12:43.43 | djszapi_ | android is stuck with 4.8 |
| 12:43.47 | djszapi_ | jolla qt4 |
| 12:43.59 | djszapi_ | Symbian is unsupported in Qt5. |
| 12:44.05 | djszapi_ | I do not see any other option for Harmattan to be honest. |
| 12:45.06 | heymaster | i have rasberrypi that can i do with it ? Program with Qt? |
| 12:45.31 | suy | djszapi_: isn't a bit early to expect many things having Qt5? The beta is just some days old. |
| 12:45.56 | suy | I mean, I guess that necessitas will have Qt5, no? |
| 12:46.17 | djszapi_ | suy: yes in 1-2 years? |
| 12:46.19 | djszapi_ | or more? |
| 12:46.28 | pa | by the way, guys, anyone owning rpi? |
| 12:46.29 | djszapi_ | they have been doing Qt4.8 for about 2 years |
| 12:46.36 | djszapi_ | I do not wanna wait 2 years |
| 12:46.39 | djszapi_ | if I can do this right away |
| 12:46.40 | pa | do you know whether accelerated codec are available? |
| 12:47.02 | pa | the soc is supposed to be great at encoding h264 realtime |
| 12:47.52 | heymaster | pa: you can buy license |
| 12:47.58 | pa | ah.. |
| 12:48.06 | pa | and then i get the codecs? |
| 12:48.31 | pa | so i assume they will be available via unofficial ways too, right? |
| 12:48.45 | susundbe1g | dependecies seems to fail: http://pastebin.com/N9dvvZgY |
| 12:48.50 | pa | (and i dont care, coz i'd use those only for myself) |
| 12:49.04 | heymaster | pa: http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/ |
| 12:49.27 | heymaster | pa: don't know |
| 12:49.33 | djszapi_ | heymaster: can you get libxcb in other way? |
| 12:49.36 | pa | ah thanks! |
| 12:49.42 | pa | but hw mpeg2 decoding is useless.. |
| 12:50.07 | susundbe1g | oh, seems like: 'Aegis rejecting /var/cache/apt/archives/libxcb-atom1_0.3.6-2+0m6_armel.deb: package 'libxcb-atom1' origin cannot be determined -- signature check failed' |
| 12:50.32 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: yeah, I saw. |
| 12:50.38 | djszapi_ | that is a common issue with the Nokia repository |
| 12:50.43 | djszapi_ | unsure what the solution was. |
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| 12:50.52 | djszapi_ | perhaps we should repackage those things in the community repostiory |
| 12:50.54 | djszapi_ | repository* |
| 12:50.58 | djszapi_ | although that will not help with stuff |
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| 12:51.10 | djszapi_ | I do not understand why apps4meego got rights |
| 12:51.21 | pa | ah i see it doesnt need licenses for h264 |
| 12:51.25 | pa | as decoding is free |
| 12:51.34 | djszapi_ | the community repository should also have gained those. |
| 12:51.59 | heymaster | pa: :) |
| 12:51.59 | susundbe1g | i guess the inception tools can get past those but i am again feeling like i am one step closer to flashing the phone .. |
| 12:52.21 | pa | heymaster, actually it seems the encoding is included without license, according to wikipedia (news of 31 august) |
| 12:52.32 | pa | 24 sorry |
| 12:53.16 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: no |
| 12:53.23 | djszapi_ | just read the channel log |
| 12:53.29 | djszapi_ | I recommended the solutions back then |
| 12:53.32 | djszapi_ | but I forgot that |
| 12:53.35 | heymaster | pa: ok :) |
| 12:53.46 | djszapi_ | I also had a bureport for this with a workaround |
| 12:53.49 | djszapi_ | maybe, but unsure. |
| 12:53.58 | pa | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1839 |
| 12:53.58 | djszapi_ | heymaster: either way, try to manually wget the package |
| 12:55.05 | heymaster | pa: cool :) |
| 12:55.27 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: ^ |
| 12:56.21 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/x/xcb-util/ -> from here. |
| 12:56.31 | djszapi_ | also make sure you use fakeroot and develsh + devel-su |
| 12:56.37 | djszapi_ | please do not try this in any other ways. |
| 12:57.32 | djszapi_ | anybody else can try to install qt5-components? |
| 12:57.35 | djszapi_ | and run the example? |
| 12:58.29 | suy | djszapi_: I'm no expert, but (WRT Qt on Android), I thought the whole point was basing the port on QPA and the integration with Creator, and the deployment (ministro). If that is more or less done, I don't see why it should be hard to port to Qt5. Besides, I think that Digia is somewhat interested. |
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| 12:59.15 | djszapi_ | suy: well |
| 12:59.20 | djszapi_ | the whole port is not too hard |
| 12:59.26 | djszapi_ | but still nowhere after two years |
| 12:59.41 | djszapi_ | Quim expressed this quite well at QtCS: There is a lot of hype, but not much actually done |
| 12:59.47 | djszapi_ | this was the point |
| 12:59.55 | djszapi_ | the communication and reality are a bit far away. :) |
| 13:00.07 | pa | but now with digia, it should happen, right? |
| 13:00.16 | djszapi_ | ah yeah Digia will be savior, sure. |
| 13:00.21 | djszapi_ | no marketing pitch at all. |
| 13:00.24 | suy | Ok. I haven't read the necessitas list since some months. As I said, I'm no expert. :) |
| 13:00.26 | pa | :) |
| 13:00.53 | pa | well they claimed they want to officially port it to android.. i assume they want to, so that they can make money out of it |
| 13:01.22 | djszapi_ | Digia will make a better flourishing on iStuff than it was at the Athen times! |
| 13:01.33 | djszapi_ | so will they for Android! |
| 13:01.39 | djszapi_ | There are so many business use cases! |
| 13:01.49 | djszapi_ | and google will turn upside down with their thinking now asap! |
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| 13:08.02 | djszapi_ | oh yeah, and forgot the fact Apple will also open up their strategy for Qt collaboration |
| 13:08.04 | djszapi_ | ahahaha :D |
| 13:08.28 | susundbe1g | djszapi_: i have no idea about fakeroot but changing from opensh to develsh + devel-su allowed me to do dpkg -i that library |
| 13:08.30 | djszapi_ | Digia had to say something hypey :) |
| 13:08.46 | djszapi_ | otherwise the situation would not look any different on the communication level as the accenture shift. |
| 13:09.03 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: uh |
| 13:09.08 | djszapi_ | please never use opensh for this |
| 13:09.14 | djszapi_ | use the recommended workflow |
| 13:09.17 | djszapi_ | nice, run the example? |
| 13:09.23 | djszapi_ | orientation does not work I presume? |
| 13:09.24 | susundbe1g | that is described in? |
| 13:09.29 | djszapi_ | how about the touch input all over the screen? |
| 13:09.37 | susundbe1g | just a moment, still installing :) |
| 13:09.42 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: on my blog |
| 13:09.50 | djszapi_ | and iirc it is also linked on tmo |
| 13:10.14 | susundbe1g | http://lpapp.blogspot.fi/ ? |
| 13:10.15 | djszapi_ | but it is not Qt5 specific |
| 13:10.20 | djszapi_ | if you are doing opensh, you are on your own |
| 13:10.24 | djszapi_ | do not expect stuff |
| 13:10.39 | djszapi_ | yes |
| 13:11.24 | djszapi_ | my device is getting more and more broken XD |
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| 13:12.25 | susundbe1g | orientation seems to be landskape no matter how much i shake the phone (N9 pr1.3) |
| 13:12.49 | djszapiN9 | yep, expected |
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| 13:13.30 | djszapiN9 | touch input? |
| 13:13.41 | susundbe1g | djszapi_: oh, actually, the orientation changed after swipe exit from the app |
| 13:13.53 | djszapiN9 | yep, known |
| 13:14.11 | djszapiN9 | because that is handled differently. |
| 13:14.13 | susundbe1g | touch input seems to work at some buttons |
| 13:14.21 | susundbe1g | dont know if its just my bad aim, |
| 13:14.39 | susundbe1g | toggle statusbar works now, imho it didnt work in the beginning |
| 13:14.44 | djszapiN9 | it does not work on the right in landscape, right? |
| 13:15.07 | djszapiN9 | and bottom in portrait? |
| 13:15.11 | susundbe1g | what should toggle toolbar do? |
| 13:15.30 | susundbe1g | now it only changes color .. (portrait) |
| 13:15.41 | djszapiN9 | no clue |
| 13:15.46 | susundbe1g | :D |
| 13:16.09 | djszapiN9 | try to check the input touch bug please... |
| 13:16.20 | susundbe1g | it exited somehow, here is output if needed: http://pastebin.com/0b7xgA3T |
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| 13:16.32 | susundbe1g | so bug would be that touch-input not working? |
| 13:16.45 | djszapiN9 | in half part of the screen... |
| 13:16.51 | susundbe1g | my guess is that as there is no button pressed animation i might just missed what it should do |
| 13:16.54 | djszapiN9 | like I described above... |
| 13:17.20 | susundbe1g | so device portrait -> launch from ssh console -> app in landscape |
| 13:19.16 | susundbe1g | the touch input seems to work at whole right side of the screen on landmode, where right side is near to 'nokia' sign and buttons are pointing 'up' |
| 13:19.34 | susundbe1g | but if the arrows on the left side are suppose to be input sensitive then those are not working |
| 13:20.31 | djszapiN9 | means |
| 13:20.41 | susundbe1g | No you are right, right side touch input is not working, easy to see with 'buttons' |
| 13:20.43 | djszapiN9 | you are holding your device wrong :) |
| 13:20.53 | djszapiN9 | but ok. |
| 13:21.01 | susundbe1g | (at least on landscape mode) |
| 13:21.06 | djszapiN9 | so the bug persists. cli output? |
| 13:22.27 | susundbe1g | meaning the terminal output (as pastebinned before) or ? |
| 13:23.22 | djszapiN9 | output of the application. |
| 13:23.35 | djszapiN9 | so not the install output.. |
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| 13:24.36 | susundbe1g | it doesnt seem that usefull to me: http://pastebin.com/VT7CCC8z |
| 13:25.08 | susundbe1g | this is launch -> landscape -> buttons -> clicking the invert theme button to see that it works on other half of the display |
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| 13:27.48 | susundbe1g | djszapi_: anythine else you want me to test with? |
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| 13:28.44 | djszapi_ | it is actually very useful |
| 13:28.45 | djszapi_ | "Module 'com.nokia.meego' does not contain a module identifier directive - it cannot be protected from external registrations." |
| 13:28.51 | djszapi_ | I wonder why it is still there... |
| 13:29.10 | djszapi_ | "file:///opt/qt5/imports/com/nokia/meego/ScrollDecorator.qml:84: Error: Cannot assign JavaScript function to bool" |
| 13:29.14 | djszapi_ | paste that line please? |
| 13:29.14 | djszapi_ | huh... |
| 13:30.35 | susundbe1g | eah.. wait .. |
| 13:30.47 | susundbe1g | my i was to eager to purge .. |
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| 13:34.34 | susundbe1g | djszapi_: http://pastebin.com/b1VbBeJZ -- line 84 separated at the end |
| 13:35.23 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: duh.... |
| 13:35.33 | susundbe1g | yea, good luck |
| 13:35.35 | djszapi_ | my new pushes did not affect for some reason... :( |
| 13:35.42 | djszapi_ | this is an obsolete code |
| 13:35.51 | susundbe1g | oh, thats kind of bad testing then |
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| 13:39.13 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: indeed |
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| 13:52.09 | cockroach | hi! small question, if i may: i'm trying to get the SDK working and the installation seems to have finished just fine. however, when I "meego-sb-session start" in scratchbox, "nothing happens" in the Xephyr window |
| 13:52.25 | cockroach | does anyone have an idea about what I might be doing wrong? |
| 13:53.09 | cockroach | it seems to start just fine btw, http://pastebin.ca/2203515 |
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| 13:54.02 | leinir | Before continuing (and sorry, i can't help you with that one), do you have any particularly good reason for using scratchbox? :) |
| 13:54.27 | cockroach | hmm no, it's just what the user guide told me to do :) |
| 13:54.37 | leinir | Yeah, thought that might be the case ;) |
| 13:54.51 | cockroach | heh. is there a better way to do things then? |
| 13:55.46 | leinir | A much easier one, at any rate, if you don't actually have a need for the gritty details of scratchbox :) |
| 13:55.47 | leinir | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Getting_started_with_Harmattan_using_Qt_SDK.html |
| 13:56.04 | cockroach | ah nice, thanks, i'll try that! |
| 13:56.23 | leinir | You're welcome :) |
| 13:57.19 | cockroach | out of ignorance i first tried the meego SDK which seems to be based on qt creator, that one failed horribly :) - let's hope this works better |
| 13:57.51 | leinir | yeah, that one never reeeally got finished... bit sad, really :) |
| 13:58.13 | cockroach | yup, it looks rather ... out of date & unmaintained. |
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| 14:04.39 | djszapi_ | susundbe1g: I will chop the documentation off |
| 14:04.50 | djszapi_ | that will save you some megabytes, but just after it is all working, not now. |
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| 14:46.17 | cockroach | ok, back again. now, i seem to have the qt sdk up & running (installed from debian's repo) but there doesn't seem to be a harmattan target. do i need to install the sdk from source or is there a way to just add harmattan support? |
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| 14:57.43 | thp | cockroach: you can install the harmattan target via the "qt sdk maintenance" utility |
| 14:58.06 | thp | "Maintain Qt SDK" or something like that |
| 14:58.30 | cockroach | thp: ah, sounds good, i'll try that. thanks! |
| 15:05.44 | cockroach | hmm, can't seem to find it. any idea whether i need to add some specific debian package to get the maintenance utility? |
| 15:08.13 | merlin1991 | cockroach: the qt sdk inside the official debian pacakges is too old |
| 15:08.35 | cockroach | merlin1991: aww. even the one in wheezy? |
| 15:08.41 | merlin1991 | you'll have to grab a more recent version from here: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads |
| 15:09.46 | cockroach | merlin1991: ok, thank. sounds like a project for tomorrow :) |
| 15:10.22 | merlin1991 | hm actually according to the debian page wheezy ships 2.4.0 |
| 15:10.25 | merlin1991 | which is fairly new |
| 15:11.08 | cockroach | mine says "qt creator 2.5.0", but it doesn't seem to have the management/update option in the help menu |
| 15:11.18 | cockroach | (brb) |
| 15:11.29 | merlin1991 | cockroach: the management update is a different program |
| 15:11.38 | merlin1991 | (has it's own .desktop file) |
| 15:20.09 | cockroach | (ok, back) |
| 15:20.27 | cockroach | merlin1991: you wouldn't happen to know what the .desktop file is called? |
| 15:20.46 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 15:21.03 | merlin1991 | also I don't know if the debian package even ships it, I guess it doesn't |
| 15:21.12 | susundbe1g | sorry for repeating myself, but this is annoying mee too much: anyone tips how to/where to look for/fix N9 not mounting /home/user/MyDocs after reboot -- actually nothing is seems to be mounted at that point, even though 'init/mount-home.conf' script should mount some temp there if the real mounting fails. |
| 15:21.25 | cockroach | merlin1991: maybe not :( |
| 15:21.49 | merlin1991 | susundbe1g: check if you even have a proper filesystem on the respective partition |
| 15:22.08 | dm8tbr | and force-fsck it from a PC |
| 15:22.48 | susundbe1g | merlin1991: thanks for the reply -- i can mount the partition properly manually and everthing works fine after that, but its not mounted at boot |
| 15:23.19 | susundbe1g | (i mean mount /home/user/MyDocs goes ok and everthing that should be there works fine) |
| 15:23.56 | merlin1991 | susundbe1g: which dev node does it actually mount? |
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| 15:26.09 | djszapi|vb | M4rtinK: hey |
| 15:26.15 | djszapi|vb | M4rtinK: could you please help with the gtk2 build? |
| 15:26.23 | djszapi|vb | apparently Qt accessibility depends on that |
| 15:27.40 | susundbe1g | merlin1991: sorry, i dont know how to produce that, here is mount and ls -lah /dev/mmcblk0p1 : http://pastebin.com/6ZSJWAKE |
| 15:29.18 | susundbe1g | (oh is it the one listed in ls, 179) |
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| 15:29.38 | merlin1991 | susundbe1g: hm your system seems to be fine, anything in the syslog maybe? |
| 15:29.51 | djszapi_ | beford: heyo |
| 15:31.01 | susundbe1g | no, nothing that would seem related, tried grepping 'mount' 'MyDocs', 'Failed' or 'Error' |
| 15:32.13 | susundbe1g | what i am pondering is the script /etc/init/mount-home.conf -- that (at least) does mount that MyDocs -- could it be that its for reason or another not executed or it fails before it goes to the part where that partition should be mouned |
| 15:32.17 | susundbe1g | mounted |
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| 15:49.45 | djszapiN9 | M4rtinK, weirdly enough, it is building in testing. |
| 15:52.40 | M4rtinK | in another repo ? |
| 15:53.43 | M4rtinK | djszapi: I see the same behaviour - it builds in home:MartinK:gtk but not in home:MartinK:harmattan :) |
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| 16:04.29 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK: really? |
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| 16:04.57 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK: what error are you facing? |
| 16:09.11 | M4rtinK | the same as you are - the immodule one |
| 16:10.24 | djszapi_ | looks weird, doesn't it? :) |
| 16:10.53 | M4rtinK | it IS weird - as it really hapens in one repo and not in other :) |
| 16:13.52 | djszapi_ | yes, but do not tell this to the gnome guy |
| 16:13.55 | djszapi_ | on the other irc |
| 16:14.02 | djszapi_ | otherwise they will instantly ignore c-obs |
| 16:14.04 | djszapi_ | and blame you |
| 16:14.08 | djszapi_ | ask what can cause it |
| 16:14.15 | djszapi_ | and how this can be solved or worked around |
| 16:14.58 | M4rtinK | rZr mentioned that ho found some way to build it |
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| 16:15.21 | M4rtinK | but he might have meant some other issue, not this one |
| 16:15.28 | djszapi_ | yeah |
| 16:15.31 | djszapi_ | and he is off anyways |
| 16:15.35 | djszapi_ | I need the solution now |
| 16:15.41 | djszapi_ | to build qt5 with accessibility :) |
| 16:16.22 | M4rtinK | BTW, why are you building: "A set of language and system independant CORBA interfaces." |
| 16:16.24 | M4rtinK | ? :) |
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| 16:16.54 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK: needed for atspi |
| 16:17.02 | djszapi_ | which is needed for Qt Accessibility. |
| 16:17.08 | M4rtinK | CORBA, srsly ? :) |
| 16:17.15 | djszapi_ | yes :-) |
| 16:17.34 | M4rtinK | have you tried to just drop the dependency ? |
| 16:17.38 | djszapi_ | no |
| 16:17.44 | djszapi_ | because it built locally in no time |
| 16:17.45 | M4rtinK | do it :) |
| 16:17.49 | djszapi_ | so no hack needed to upstream debian |
| 16:17.50 | djszapi_ | why? |
| 16:18.00 | djszapi_ | I do not wanna differ from upstream debian |
| 16:18.02 | djszapi_ | if possible. |
| 16:18.09 | djszapi_ | otherwise keeping the sync is a royal pita... |
| 16:18.14 | M4rtinK | hmm |
| 16:18.36 | djszapi_ | if we also get 1000 packagers we can go our way :) |
| 16:19.46 | djszapi_ | let us just get gtk and that one fixed |
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| 16:23.05 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK: gtk is more tricky |
| 16:23.13 | djszapi_ | I can fix bonobo by dropping the gtk doc dependency |
| 16:23.21 | djszapi_ | as the worst case scenario |
| 16:23.53 | M4rtinK | the gtk-doc dependency is horrendous |
| 16:24.35 | M4rtinK | I've tried to satisfy it, but dropped is when I got to docbook & latex |
| 16:27.08 | djszapi_ | well |
| 16:27.12 | djszapi_ | it works for other things |
| 16:27.13 | djszapi_ | also locally. |
| 16:27.19 | djszapi_ | usnure about that deletion thingie |
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| 16:40.44 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK: so what did they say? |
| 16:52.55 | M4rtinK | djszapi: just asked why we are building bonobo |
| 16:53.16 | M4rtinK | djszapi: and I've answered that because of Debian sync |
| 16:53.22 | M4rtinK | thats all so far |
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| 17:02.29 | djszapi__ | I have added the description I wrote more than a year ago here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan Any feedback is welcome. |
| 17:02.36 | djszapi__ | s/added/updated/ |
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| 17:07.00 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
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| 17:20.10 | pa | may i ask a nasty question about the coding competition? |
| 17:20.23 | pa | it says "from 11 june for 3 months" |
| 17:20.52 | pa | now.. what should i think of an application that got its first comment on the store the 15th of june? was it developed within the competition time frame? |
| 17:24.23 | ZogG_laptop | pa, you can't say anything |
| 17:24.33 | ZogG_laptop | it's community one and you can't check everyone |
| 17:24.53 | ZogG_laptop | it's on people's responsobility to be honest :P |
| 17:25.05 | pa | oh you can |
| 17:25.14 | pa | kojaker asked explicitly for that |
| 17:26.28 | ZogG_laptop | no man |
| 17:26.52 | ZogG_laptop | there are things that disturbed me, but i just said it as advice for next one |
| 17:27.24 | ZogG_laptop | i don't think it's good idea to start now all the mess |
| 17:27.57 | pa | ZogG_laptop, Kojaker asked the participants on the planning thread to check the others if their entries were ok. yes he asked to do that earlier than this.. |
| 17:28.05 | pa | and i wont start anything, probably |
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| 17:29.09 | ZogG_laptop | pa, what app is it btw |
| 17:29.15 | pa | copilot |
| 17:29.19 | timmay | how do i uninstall a device update? |
| 17:29.24 | beford | if it was published to the store before the date then they should move it to the updates category |
| 17:29.25 | pa | actually it seems to me it is even older than june |
| 17:29.32 | ZogG_laptop | first time i hear about it |
| 17:29.34 | pa | afaik i tried it on may |
| 17:29.40 | pa | http://n9-apps.com/copilot-aka-geeps2 |
| 17:29.46 | ZogG_laptop | but anyway i think you can matter with vote :P |
| 17:29.48 | ZogG_laptop | just don't want |
| 17:29.56 | ZogG_laptop | oh i have it |
| 17:30.06 | ZogG_laptop | pa, it was port/update |
| 17:30.09 | ZogG_laptop | as it was on n900 |
| 17:30.12 | pa | hm |
| 17:30.27 | ZogG_laptop | and as far as i know dev is a good guy who provide free apps |
| 17:30.38 | pa | well in the thread its under location/navigation |
| 17:30.49 | pa | so it should be moved to port/update then |
| 17:30.55 | ZogG_laptop | yeah geeps2 i know didn't know other name |
| 17:31.04 | djszapi__ | "Free for limited time." |
| 17:31.06 | ZogG_laptop | it was rewritten i think |
| 17:31.08 | ZogG_laptop | i don't know |
| 17:31.13 | ZogG_laptop | i don't really care :P |
| 17:31.18 | pa | i do :p |
| 17:31.28 | pa | its in my category :) |
| 17:31.29 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi, that app was free for n900 and afaik open source |
| 17:31.42 | djszapi__ | we are not discussing N900 here. |
| 17:31.48 | djszapi__ | this is only free for limited time. |
| 17:31.50 | djszapi__ | which sucks. |
| 17:31.53 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi__, stop being grumpy |
| 17:32.00 | djszapi__ | pa: try to discuss with the author first |
| 17:32.14 | ZogG_laptop | pa, it's about competition and not politics |
| 17:32.19 | djszapi__ | if that clarification does not help with your worries, bring the topic up. |
| 17:32.23 | ZogG_laptop | i know you want to win but still |
| 17:32.35 | djszapi__ | honest is not politics. |
| 17:32.38 | ZogG_laptop | don't bring dirt in it |
| 17:32.39 | djszapi__ | and honest is before winning. |
| 17:32.49 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi, and yes n900 is related to competiton |
| 17:33.08 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi__, i don't think he did it on purpose, you accuse without knowing |
| 17:33.11 | ZogG_laptop | that's my point |
| 17:33.21 | timmay | several of the apps that i've tried to uninstall give me the message: Can't delete Unable to uninstall application Twitter because it is used by the following installations. To complete uninstallation, listed applications need to be uninstalled first. Device update how do i uninstall device update? |
| 17:33.35 | djszapi__ | pa: try to ask the author |
| 17:33.52 | djszapi__ | pa: perhaps there is something you do not know |
| 17:33.58 | djszapi__ | and the author can clarify |
| 17:34.02 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, you can't delete some of stock apps |
| 17:34.06 | ZogG_laptop | they connected to other apps |
| 17:34.10 | djszapi__ | if he still sounds fishy, bring it up without hesitation. |
| 17:34.32 | djszapi__ | timmay: the platform apps bundled into a metapackage |
| 17:34.43 | djszapi__ | which if you manage to remove, you break the platform. |
| 17:34.59 | pa | ok i try |
| 17:35.13 | timmay | so how do i complete or remove the update? |
| 17:35.30 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, what excatly u want to delete? |
| 17:35.32 | djszapi__ | timmay: I do not think you can nicely remove ("revert") an update |
| 17:35.54 | timmay | i can't install anything anymore |
| 17:35.56 | pa | another one |
| 17:35.57 | djszapi__ | timmay: if it is an ovi store application update, feel free to remove the application, but I do not think you can do more. |
| 17:35.57 | pa | june 10 |
| 17:36.00 | pa | jesus |
| 17:36.14 | pa | people really... |
| 17:36.16 | timmay | nor can i remove anything |
| 17:36.23 | pa | http://store.ovi.com/content/285601?clickSource=publisher+channel&channel=&pos=1 |
| 17:36.51 | djszapi__ | pa: same story |
| 17:36.56 | djszapi__ | try to clarify |
| 17:37.07 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, show exact msg |
| 17:38.22 | pa | djszapi__, but it seems i cant PM people on tmo.. |
| 17:38.36 | pa | i tried to send a pm, but it looks it has not been sent |
| 17:38.37 | timmay | that was the exact msg of me trying to uninstall twitter |
| 17:38.37 | djszapi__ | pa: google for their contacts |
| 17:38.53 | timmay | Can't delete Unable to uninstall application Twitter because it is used by the following installations. To complete uninstallation, listed applications need to be uninstalled first. Device update how do i uninstall device update? |
| 17:38.56 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, i mena of not able to update install stuff |
| 17:39.06 | timmay | ok |
| 17:39.10 | djszapi__ | timmay: you cannot uninstall twitter |
| 17:39.11 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, you can't uninstall twitter, again there are apps in system that depend on it |
| 17:39.12 | djszapi__ | please accept it. |
| 17:39.21 | djszapi__ | timmay: like I said above, it is a platform package. |
| 17:39.28 | djszapi__ | if you remove it, you break the platform. |
| 17:40.03 | djszapi__ | timmay: if it bothers you, place the icon away your eyes. |
| 17:40.45 | piggz | atleast my conscious is clear about the timeframe developping my app ;) |
| 17:40.50 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, there are few stock apps yo ucan delete with some hack that was described on TMO, but again it's not all apps |
| 17:41.09 | ZogG_laptop | as some apps too integrated and it can break things |
| 17:41.31 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, you do not do opensource right? |
| 17:41.38 | piggz | ZogG_laptop: rubbish |
| 17:41.46 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, ? |
| 17:41.51 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, just wondering |
| 17:41.54 | piggz | :) |
| 17:42.14 | valdur55 | timmay, you can disable service icon from accounts page |
| 17:42.16 | timmay | just tried to install 'Front Camera' got msg: Can't install Application incompatible with other installed applications |
| 17:42.19 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, i think it would be fair to have app in apps4meego for free. but again would respect if you don't :P |
| 17:42.31 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, and those are? |
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| 17:42.41 | timmay | that's usually what i get when i try to install something |
| 17:43.01 | djszapi__ | timmay: you mean from Ovi? |
| 17:43.07 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, open terminal and do dpkg -i package.deb |
| 17:43.19 | djszapi__ | ZogG_laptop: will not work |
| 17:43.23 | djszapi__ | that requires more privileges... |
| 17:43.40 | djszapi__ | timmay: I would suggest to grab a user package, and try using the pkgmgr on the console |
| 17:43.49 | djszapi__ | timmay: if you have terminal (developer mode). |
| 17:44.16 | ZogG_laptop | rock and dizel fighting - it's awesome |
| 17:44.25 | timmay | no term :-( |
| 17:44.33 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, ssh? |
| 17:44.55 | djszapi__ | timmay: do you have meecatalog? |
| 17:44.56 | piggz | ZogG_laptop: i have no objection to publishing in apps-for-meego, atleast for some of my apps |
| 17:44.57 | timmay | no ssh, don't know how :-( |
| 17:45.08 | piggz | i have a bit of a mixture |
| 17:45.28 | djszapi__ | timmay: have you enabled the developer mode? |
| 17:45.42 | piggz | i dont mind any of my free apps being o/s, but i also like to make a few pennies to buy toys :) |
| 17:45.57 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, harmattan is small and i think ovi - paid and apps4meego free is good thing |
| 17:45.59 | kevin_b | Hello |
| 17:46.07 | timmay | djszapi__: how? |
| 17:46.13 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, but it needs to be opensource for apps for meego :) |
| 17:46.18 | djszapi__ | timmay: settings |
| 17:46.25 | djszapi__ | security |
| 17:46.33 | ZogG_laptop | i don't think it would work |
| 17:46.45 | kevin_b | just a note : I installed foreign PR1.3 image firmware, cause my device has not any available |
| 17:46.50 | ZogG_laptop | as it would need to install apps as well |
| 17:47.05 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, which one excatly? |
| 17:47.09 | djszapi__ | except that, that is not ovi |
| 17:47.17 | djszapi__ | but the matching version with the firmware on... |
| 17:47.17 | kevin_b | and when usb plugs, none of touch input are taken into account |
| 17:47.42 | timmay | djszapi__: it was on |
| 17:47.59 | djszapi__ | timmay: great, so you should see the terminal on the app grid. Do you see that? |
| 17:48.16 | timmay | no |
| 17:48.17 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, not sure if related but image again and did you check md5sum? |
| 17:48.46 | kevin_b | I didn't, how can I get the image codename from device? |
| 17:48.47 | djszapi__ | timmay: developer mode is on, and you do not see the terminal icon on the application launcher? |
| 17:48.54 | djszapi__ | timmay: not even meecatalog? |
| 17:48.55 | timmay | no |
| 17:49.03 | djszapi__ | that is quite beefy... |
| 17:49.19 | djszapi__ | timmay: can you install developer softwares? |
| 17:49.28 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, do you have SDK connective icon? |
| 17:49.29 | kevin_b | ZogG_laptop : I tested it twice the same image |
| 17:49.36 | timmay | no |
| 17:49.49 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, what is the image region? 001? |
| 17:49.49 | djszapi__ | no what? |
| 17:49.51 | kevin_b | ZogG_laptop : do you know how can I get the image codename from device? |
| 17:49.56 | kevin_b | 009 |
| 17:50.09 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, get the 001 and flash with it |
| 17:50.11 | kevin_b | 40.2012.21-3_PR_009 |
| 17:50.11 | djszapi__ | kevin_b: check settings about |
| 17:50.15 | ZogG_laptop | search google for link in logs |
| 17:50.15 | timmay | no sdk connective icons |
| 17:50.20 | ZogG_laptop | it was here when it was out |
| 17:50.25 | kevin_b | hoo thanks a lot for the advice |
| 17:50.29 | djszapi__ | timmay: can you install developer softwares? |
| 17:50.43 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, try to turn it off and on again |
| 17:51.01 | timmay | turning off... |
| 17:51.45 | timmay | turning on |
| 17:51.58 | ZogG_laptop | when u turn on it shuld install terminal and sdk connective |
| 17:52.16 | ZogG_laptop | first will give u option to use terminal on device second for ssh |
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| 17:54.39 | timmay | nope. showed all the icons and then went black showing the time with the little starthub at the bottom |
| 17:55.43 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, chek all icons, maybe u put it in folder icon? |
| 17:55.52 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, as well backup and reflash would solve |
| 17:55.57 | ZogG_laptop | but it's the last choice |
| 17:57.28 | timmay | can flashing be done on windows 7? my n900 had to be done on an XP box. |
| 17:59.02 | timmay | i just got the phone the other day. all icons were just like this. |
| 18:01.19 | piggz | anyone tried the new QtCreator yet? |
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| 18:05.41 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, not yet |
| 18:06.08 | piggz | ZogG_laptop: was wondering if anyone knew how to make it auto-detect the exisiting compilers/toolchains as kits |
| 18:06.48 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, i'm waiting till SDK is updated |
| 18:06.55 | ZogG_laptop | but i think it might be not |
| 18:07.29 | akreuzkamp | hi, there. I have a problem connecting to an https-server using a self-signed certificate. The problem is that I get the NetworkError SslHandshakeFailedError, but sslErrors is not emitted. Using the QtSimulator everything works, just on the device it fails.Any ideas, what the problem could be? |
| 18:07.44 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, u can check all setting inside creator |
| 18:07.53 | ZogG_laptop | i mean in qtcreator in sdk |
| 18:08.00 | ZogG_laptop | after all it's almost the same |
| 18:08.06 | Kozzi | will replacing *64.png and *80.png enough for the app icon in a project or must there be a .svg also? |
| 18:08.36 | piggz | ZogG_laptop: they have changed to something called Kits now, if youve seen the announcement... |
| 18:08.37 | ZogG_laptop | Kozzi, i think best way to use svg and the begining |
| 18:08.42 | piggz | brb, kids to pick up! |
| 18:08.55 | ZogG_laptop | piggz, nope, link me after u come back |
| 18:08.59 | ZogG_laptop | damn C |
| 18:09.05 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi, are you good wtih C ? |
| 18:10.28 | Kozzi | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71427510/apina.svg |
| 18:10.36 | Kozzi | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71427510/apina80.png |
| 18:11.05 | Kozzi | I'm using Illustrator to save the svgm for some reason it looks different than the png one |
| 18:11.35 | Kozzi | any idea ? |
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| 18:12.04 | beford | use Inkscape? |
| 18:12.15 | ZogG_laptop | use beford |
| 18:12.27 | beford | :3 |
| 18:12.29 | Kozzi | beford: can inkscape open .ai files ? |
| 18:12.40 | ZogG_laptop | Kozzi, it's ugly anyway :P |
| 18:12.50 | beford | Kozzi: mm no, but you have the SVG already no? |
| 18:12.53 | Kozzi | well it's the logo of the site |
| 18:12.58 | Kozzi | beford: yes |
| 18:13.03 | beford | Kozzi: well I dont know if it supports it to be honest |
| 18:13.37 | beford | Kozzi: what is the problem? I mean, which one is correct the SVG or PNG? :P |
| 18:13.57 | Kozzi | beford: png is how I want the icon to look like :) |
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| 18:15.26 | beford | Kozzi: well there is a layer with the glossy effect on the SVG |
| 18:15.42 | beford | Kozzi: did you use javispedro icon maker site? |
| 18:16.00 | beford | or Nokia templates |
| 18:16.09 | Kozzi | nokia template |
| 18:16.57 | beford | Kozzi: and you dont want/like the shadow effect? just edit the SVG and remove it |
| 18:18.05 | Kozzi | yeah probably have to, I just find it weird that the png and svg look so different even though they are made from a same file |
| 18:18.12 | beford | http://imgur.com/w80gg |
| 18:18.34 | Kozzi | the gradient is much stronger with the svg version |
| 18:18.40 | beford | yea |
| 18:18.52 | beford | I have not used the nokia templates though |
| 18:19.32 | Kozzi | I'm too lazy to make my own template and color modes |
| 18:19.38 | Kozzi | :D |
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| 19:05.36 | piggz | back |
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| 19:55.17 | frals | Jaffa: regarding the screen swap, surprisingly easy if you have the right tools... be careful when undoing the screws thou, one of mine was way too tight so it broke when i tried to unscrew it |
| 19:55.38 | frals | luckily the top broke off clean and it was one of like 9 screws for battery holder so it didnt matter much |
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| 20:07.00 | Jake9xx | Jaffa: +1 on the tools like frals said. You need decent torx key for it |
| 20:07.47 | frals | yeah, make sure its a t4 instead of t5 like some guides suggest |
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| 20:28.24 | Jake9xx | frals: true, t4 it has to be. And careful when re-assembling it. One screw too tight ruins your device |
| 20:37.50 | piggz | argh, how to do QML profiling? |
| 20:40.35 | djszapi_ | with the qml profiler? |
| 20:45.29 | piggz | djszapi_: yes, i got that far, ive compiled the libs, enabled it in the make settings, but it keeps saying the application is not enabled for qml/js debugging |
| 21:01.50 | Jake9xx | piggz: maybe you need to tell that application is debuggable in Qt Creator ? |
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| 21:20.08 | timmay | about to flash my phone for the first time. don't know which release to choose. anyone help? |
| 21:20.29 | timmay | i'm in the US |
| 21:21.12 | rashm2k | yeah qml debugging is crap |
| 21:21.21 | rashm2k | profiling shoukd work though |
| 21:21.48 | rashm2k | you need to change the settings in both the build and run options |
| 21:21.52 | djszapi_ | actually it is far easier than native code. |
| 21:22.38 | rashm2k | qml debugging has never worked for me |
| 21:22.44 | rashm2k | it's just way too slow |
| 21:23.47 | beford | timmay: follow itsnotabigtruck's guide |
| 21:23.59 | timmay | ok |
| 21:26.08 | djszapi_ | what is too slow? |
| 21:26.14 | djszapi_ | console.log("helloworld"); |
| 21:26.15 | djszapi_ | done |
| 21:27.14 | timmay | bedford: that's the one i'm on |
| 21:27.29 | rashm2k | console.log isnt quite the same as stepping through code |
| 21:28.42 | djszapi_ | it is the same |
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| 21:31.37 | djszapi_ | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms724872%28v=vs.85%29.aspx -> there is really no variable for this? :o |
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| 22:33.19 | pa | :D |
| 22:36.33 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, did u fix? |
| 22:37.00 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, ping |
| 22:37.20 | ZogG_laptop | kevin_b, btw it was mistake to flash 009, as you can't flash 001 now , i just remembered it |
| 22:37.33 | timmay | not yet. got 2 *.bin files downloaded finally and just about ready to start. |
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| 22:39.38 | timmay | ZogG_laptop: a little confused as to which command to use. i'm thinking 'flasher -f -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_10.2011.31-3.293.5.293_EMMC_293' correct? |
| 22:42.51 | pa | ZogG_laptop, do you have N9 and N950? |
| 22:44.41 | beford | timmay: |
| 22:44.52 | timmay | yes |
| 22:44.56 | beford | hi |
| 22:45.14 | beford | what are you going to flash? the last thing ZogG_laptop said is important |
| 22:45.18 | beford | is better to flash a 001 variant |
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| 22:45.33 | beford | in case a new firmware appear you will not have to wait |
| 22:45.58 | beford | usually 001 variants get new firmware first |
| 22:46.00 | ZogG_laptop | ~flash |
| 22:46.00 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 |
| 22:46.06 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, ^ |
| 22:46.29 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, be sure to get global 001 |
| 22:47.52 | timmay | i didn't get global |
| 22:48.29 | ZogG_laptop | than get it before too late |
| 22:48.43 | ZogG_laptop | as it has 001 it the end it thinks 009 is newer |
| 22:48.49 | ZogG_laptop | and u can't downgrade |
| 22:48.57 | ZogG_laptop | as well with global u'll get updates first |
| 22:49.02 | ZogG_laptop | there would be no updates though |
| 22:50.30 | timmay | wait... |
| 22:50.59 | timmay | i'm using NaviFirm Plus.... |
| 22:51.51 | timmay | in the Product: section, i chose 'Nokia N9 (RM-696)... |
| 22:52.37 | timmay | in the Releases section, this is where i'm confused as to which one to pick |
| 22:52.55 | beford | let me see if I have navi firm |
| 22:54.33 | beford | 40.2012.21.3 = PR 1.3 |
| 22:55.44 | beford | you donwloaded 10.2011 I see from your file name |
| 22:56.03 | beford | that's an old firmware, you can't probably flash it anyway as downgrade is not allowed |
| 22:57.00 | beford | timmay: I think you are running PR1.3 already, right? |
| 22:57.09 | timmay | yes |
| 22:57.25 | beford | care to indicate the whole string that appears on the About product screen? |
| 22:57.30 | beford | in the Settings app |
| 22:57.44 | timmay | have to turn it back on. hold on a sec... |
| 22:57.54 | beford | because if your phone already has a bigger than 001 release you can't flash 001 global variant |
| 22:58.00 | beford | even if its PR13 too |
| 23:00.33 | timmay | PR1.3 (40.201221.21-3.262.3_PR_262) |
| 23:01.11 | beford | PR 262 |
| 23:01.32 | beford | 2xx, 3xx, 4xx - "Country Variant" and carrier-branded images |
| 23:07.06 | beford | damn I dont know what can you flash |
| 23:07.18 | beford | according to what I understand only same version can be flashed |
| 23:07.25 | beford | same or upper |
| 23:08.38 | beford | is it from singapore? |
| 23:08.43 | timmay | same would be fine. as long as i'll be able to install apps |
| 23:08.56 | beford | care to read the code that is on the simtray |
| 23:09.58 | timmay | 059L3P7 |
| 23:10.04 | beford | ah good |
| 23:10.14 | beford | after you select 40.2012.21.3 |
| 23:10.20 | beford | type that number on the Variants list |
| 23:11.00 | timmay | can't 'type' anything in |
| 23:11.08 | beford | on the bottom? |
| 23:11.13 | beford | Insert Text Here |
| 23:11.24 | timmay | have to pick a release first |
| 23:11.26 | beford | just to filter the results |
| 23:11.28 | beford | exactly |
| 23:11.42 | timmay | ah...i see it |
| 23:11.54 | beford | <beford> after you select 40.2012.21.3 |
| 23:12.19 | beford | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85584 <- related |
| 23:12.37 | beford | since you updated over the air you cant just flash 001 variant and have you use the same one |
| 23:12.50 | beford | but yea, that one should work |
| 23:13.05 | beford | it should be the same that is running now on your phone |
| 23:13.36 | beford | 40.2012.21-3.262.3_PR_LEGACY_262 |
| 23:13.56 | beford | gotta go |
| 23:14.24 | timmay | thanx for your time/help |
| 23:34.32 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, no need for navit |
| 23:36.45 | ZogG_laptop | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1205/2811/7048829758/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 23:36.47 | ZogG_laptop | timmay, ^ |
| 23:37.00 | ZogG_laptop | i think that's one ihave |
| 23:37.53 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, pr1.5 is out :P where are you? |
| 23:41.08 | timmay | i'm back |
| 23:42.16 | timmay | so stop the other download and get that one? |
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| 23:43.34 | ZogG_laptop | if it's not the same |
| 23:43.42 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st, http://sourceforge.net/projects/mplayer-n9/ |
| 23:43.59 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st, check that out . it's gui for mplayer. |
| 23:54.28 | beford | timmay: dont stop |
| 23:54.55 | beford | ZogG_laptop: he cant flash that one because he upgraded to PR13 with OTA |
| 23:55.10 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 23:55.21 | ZogG_laptop | what area number? |
| 23:55.34 | beford | 262 |
| 23:57.18 | ZogG_laptop | 262? |
| 23:57.21 | ZogG_laptop | wtf? |
| 23:57.28 | beford | carrier branded |
| 23:57.30 | ZogG_laptop | i meean pr001 |
| 23:57.33 | ZogG_laptop | and so on |
| 23:57.39 | ZogG_laptop | it was a mistake |
| 23:57.44 | beford | 2xx, 3xx, 4xx - "Country Variant" and carrier-branded images |
| 23:57.46 | ZogG_laptop | what country and carrier |
| 23:57.51 | beford | ah I dont know :P |
| 23:58.18 | ZogG_laptop | i switched to 001 with pr1.2 |
| 23:58.20 | ZogG_laptop | by hand |
| 23:58.25 | beford | from the 059L3P7 unmber it seems to be from Singapore |
| 23:58.33 | ZogG_laptop | from 005 to 001 with apt-get :P |
| 23:58.43 | ZogG_laptop | it was tricky |
| 23:59.04 | ZogG_laptop | in the middle noghting worked except terminal :P |
| 23:59.17 | ZogG_laptop | as i deleted metapackage itself |
| 23:59.32 | beford | hah |
| 23:59.38 | beford | I switched with PR1.2 too |
| 23:59.39 | ZogG_laptop | we need keys for bootloader :P |
| 23:59.49 | ZogG_laptop | beford, you just wanted to be cool like me |
