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| 06:17.10 | ZogG_laptop | pa: and now rawcam in rzr's repo :P |
| 06:40.59 | pa | ah thats great :) we can finally apt-get it ! |
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| 06:55.56 | ZogG_laptop | pa: he answered you in thread, i think it's also coz i asked him and as we found what's the problem was with cobs building it. gonna ask him for apps4meego next tim e i see him |
| 06:57.11 | lpapp_ | it was put into the communit repository long ago |
| 06:57.23 | lpapp_ | when I added qwazix as a maintainer essentially. |
| 06:57.58 | ZogG_laptop | lpapp_: it wasn't |
| 06:58.06 | lpapp_ | yes, it was. |
| 06:58.08 | ZogG_laptop | there was old version |
| 06:58.11 | lpapp_ | no |
| 06:58.25 | lpapp_ | it was updated quite a few days ago after my initiation. |
| 06:58.34 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 06:59.26 | lpapp_ | osc history is actually your friend. |
| 07:01.24 | ZogG_laptop | lpapp_: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2012-09-16.log.html#t2012-09-16T08:50:56 |
| 07:01.35 | ZogG_laptop | lpapp_: my memmory is my best friend :P |
| 07:02.37 | lpapp_ | apparently the worst |
| 07:02.44 | lpapp_ | because you forgot to check the log afterwards |
| 07:02.50 | ZogG_laptop | i sent you log |
| 07:02.54 | lpapp_ | the OLD log |
| 07:03.06 | lpapp_ | there was a discussion about maintainership and all that jazz later |
| 07:03.11 | lpapp_ | update your "best friend". |
| 07:04.23 | ZogG_laptop | i wasn't here |
| 07:04.38 | ZogG_laptop | and i saw you just asked him to push and saying apps4meego is not good |
| 07:04.56 | ZogG_laptop | while i'm still pretty sure it used is more than community repo :P |
| 07:05.22 | ZogG_laptop | so i don't see why i need to |
| 07:05.40 | lpapp_ | I do not understand what point you are trying to make. |
| 07:06.06 | lpapp_ | it was updated quite a few days ago. It is nothing to argue about. It is fact either you missed or not. |
| 07:06.26 | lpapp_ | so you can argue, but that does not make the fact infact. |
| 07:09.23 | lpapp_ | it has a very nasty packaging style, but osc history will let you now either way. |
| 07:09.32 | lpapp_ | s/now/know/ |
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| 07:16.25 | ZogG_laptop | lpapp_: i just wanted to inform pa, but as you ask, i remember you said it's useless to talk to devs and u should do it yourself if you want, and this just proves wrong. and it as well just prove that the most important thing for community to work together and not solo and decide you are the best and your job is most important :P |
| 07:17.37 | lpapp_ | seems I need to port my ignore |
| 07:18.04 | ZogG_laptop | do it |
| 07:18.09 | lpapp_ | done |
| 07:18.23 | ZogG_laptop | good :P |
| 07:19.15 | lpapp_ | and yes, it is useless to chase all the developers, definitely. |
| 07:19.25 | lpapp_ | and that is pretty much every every packager agrees about. |
| 07:20.14 | lpapp_ | it is not any Harmattan specific. Developers will not obviously join distributions to package their stuff even if 1% do. |
| 07:20.35 | lpapp_ | so it is like bothering for the minority which does not make too much sense at all (rather unchancy they get involved). |
| 07:20.52 | lpapp_ | actually qwazix apparently did not get involve for pa's asking, so I wonder why my asking was different. |
| 07:21.22 | ZogG_laptop | because it was built and it was all about submiting :P |
| 07:21.27 | lpapp_ | most likely becaue it was online and tried to help him to get maintainership so not much communication was needed. |
| 07:21.57 | ZogG_laptop | he wasn't home as we speaked that's why we fixed 0.0.6 build and not 0.0.8 so he didn't push when i talked with him |
| 07:22.45 | ZogG_laptop | so if you just came by in right moment and asked it doesn't mean anything, as any harmattan dev that makes app for free opensource and using cobs wouldn't mind to submit to repo |
| 07:22.59 | ZogG_laptop | and that's why i said it's better to ask devs for this situation |
| 07:23.19 | ZogG_laptop | ans i already answered that for not harmataan related stuff surely we need to package |
| 07:23.21 | lpapp_ | also, the packaging is wrong. |
| 07:23.22 | ZogG_laptop | simple as it |
| 07:23.32 | lpapp_ | I should probably fix it, or give him some hints how to do this nicely. |
| 07:23.44 | ZogG_laptop | it is not wrong |
| 07:23.57 | ZogG_laptop | it is for qtcreator |
| 07:24.57 | ZogG_laptop | and you are free to give tips, but if you break the way he packaged i wouldn't help to fix it again so you would need to do it yourself :P and he might have problem :P |
| 07:25.25 | ZogG_laptop | and why the F i'm talking to you if you ignored me :P |
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| 07:37.58 | lpapp__ | http://lpapp.blogspot.ch/2012/09/randa-kde-frameworks-build-experiment.html |
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| 08:28.35 | lucido | whats a boostable application? |
| 08:29.23 | lpapp__ | lucido: in what context? |
| 08:29.43 | lucido | qtcreator new subproject asks me |
| 08:30.50 | jonni | lucido: it just asks if you want to use invoker to start the app (if its M or QML app) vs standalone. On average invoker apps starts 200ms faster than standalone. |
| 08:31.09 | lpapp__ | yep, it is related to booster I guess. |
| 08:31.22 | lucido | invoker it is |
| 08:31.28 | jonni | ie 'boosts' startup times |
| 08:31.53 | lpapp__ | jonni: btw, any reasons disovered for slow qml? |
| 08:31.58 | lpapp__ | on Harmattan and launch, that. |
| 08:32.07 | lpapp__ | there was a research back then. |
| 08:32.20 | lpapp__ | and it seems qtquick2 will not solve this issue either. :/ |
| 08:33.11 | jonni | mostly it is just stupid coders fault, if you do things right you can have app up and running in 300ms after pressing the icon. |
| 08:33.48 | jonni | but yes, there was and is research about making the loading faster |
| 08:34.12 | lpapp__ | jonni: nope |
| 08:34.22 | lpapp__ | I have written a skeleton qml main.cpp |
| 08:34.25 | lpapp__ | there is nothing wrong about it. |
| 08:34.30 | lpapp__ | and it takes about 5 seconds to launch |
| 08:35.00 | lpapp__ | I mean it does really nothing aside from loading an almost empty rectangle. :-) |
| 08:35.13 | jonni | well I have helloworld qml main.cpp app in Harmattan and it takes 250ms from the button press to come to screen. |
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| 08:35.44 | lpapp__ | is it qt-components based? |
| 08:36.11 | jonni | ofcourse not, nobody who wants a fast application would use qt-components, since its a mess. |
| 08:36.18 | lpapp__ | lol |
| 08:36.31 | lpapp__ | are you sure people should developer for Harmattan without the native components? :P |
| 08:36.35 | lpapp__ | and rewrite them? :P |
| 08:36.41 | lpapp__ | develop* |
| 08:36.57 | lpapp__ | either way, I forgot to say that it is actually a qt components app |
| 08:37.07 | lpapp__ | so hello world text in a simple page. |
| 08:37.11 | lpapp__ | label* |
| 08:37.42 | lpapp__ | but this should be nicely working as almost nobody writes pure qml code as people have not written pure c++ code either without the widgets. :) |
| 08:38.35 | jonni | thats the tradeoff, if you use components heavily if will slow down your startup times. If you want to optimise then dont use components (or only take the parts that you app needs and rewrite them to be even faster, as there are millions of useless bindings that makes loading so much slower). |
| 08:38.54 | lpapp__ | we do not use heavily. |
| 08:38.58 | lpapp__ | it is just a helloworld label. |
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| 08:43.09 | jonni | well anyways for qml2 there were studies about using optimized precompiled bytecodestreams to improve performance, but after killing Brisbane office I think that that research is going to die. |
| 08:43.50 | lpapp__ | yeah 8 commits this month |
| 08:44.00 | lpapp__ | and one for changing the copyright from Nokia to Digia. |
| 08:44.07 | ZogG_laptop | i heard that qml2 is already much faster |
| 08:44.10 | lpapp__ | also the bindings are annoying when you cannot have them disabled. |
| 08:44.17 | lpapp__ | like a ui layout element bound to a string |
| 08:44.29 | lpapp__ | but that element is currently invisible etc. It is always reevaluated. |
| 08:44.34 | ZogG_laptop | hope BB will also jump in |
| 08:44.57 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: any progress on the codecs front? |
| 08:51.16 | jonni | finally got my QtOnPi device this week, but most likely I dont have time to do anything with it for a while...if only would I gotten it 2 monts a ago, when there was tons of free time. |
| 08:51.17 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: actually i saw the mplayer GUI builted for n9 and linked you it. wanted you to try it there |
| 08:51.43 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i bought one and still had no time :P |
| 08:52.07 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: so how is it bee free man? :P |
| 08:53.38 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: learning lots of new stuff everyday :) |
| 08:53.51 | ZogG_laptop | btw was you laid off or quit btw? |
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| 08:54.11 | djszapi | jonni: who has time or care about that :D |
| 08:54.14 | djszapi | for Harmattan. |
| 08:54.29 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: my problem is i can't learn alone i learn faster if i have a mission and obligation like at work i learned a lot of stuff i postponed home coz i have no choice :P |
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| 08:54.59 | djszapi | jonni: I mean to improve the qt components. It has already been a lot of work to port to QtQuick2, and I am still not ready with it. |
| 08:55.21 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: semantics, I quit, but if I wouldnt have then they would have kicked me. |
| 08:55.49 | djszapi | jonni: wouldn't kick have been better? |
| 08:55.56 | djszapi | you have lost a lot of redundancy money this way, no? |
| 08:56.02 | djszapi | 15 years has a decent amount of that... |
| 08:56.07 | djszapi | unless the new company paid that off. |
| 08:56.20 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: here is better to get fired and to get money compensation :P |
| 08:56.53 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: u told you got job but didn't tell where right? why not jolla btw? |
| 08:57.31 | djszapi | jonni: but you are welcome to help to make the component set better. :-) |
| 08:57.36 | ZogG_laptop | and if it's something u don't answer just tell, i'm just interesting how people like you that have options and i bet hunted by companies to work for them do :P |
| 08:57.38 | djszapi | it would be nice to have mobile components. |
| 08:59.31 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: in here its better to quit voluntarely and get severance package. I wanted to test my wings in non-phone releated field for a change. |
| 09:00.06 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i hope opensource spirit is still in you :P |
| 09:00.13 | ZogG_laptop | where if not a secret |
| 09:00.52 | djszapi | jonni: are you sure about the severance package? |
| 09:01.20 | flux | I think it's better to get the package if you get a new job soon |
| 09:01.42 | jonni | altough I landed in a commercial project that uses Qt, so I'm not totally abandoning Qt side yet. |
| 09:02.25 | djszapi | flux: well, I do not think it is hard to find a job if you are good, and even especially local. |
| 09:02.25 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: good :P |
| 09:02.43 | djszapi | that sounds like a good combination for employers. |
| 09:04.53 | flux | djszapi, well, sure, but then there are hundreds of other good people being released of their jobs as well ;) |
| 09:05.09 | flux | but I suppose it hasn't been that bad in Finland |
| 09:05.48 | djszapi | flux: well if you are not flexible do not be surprised :) |
| 09:06.02 | djszapi | there are quite a few companie hiring as hell. |
| 09:06.27 | djszapi | also, you can always contact ex-nokians and friends working for Intel, etc. |
| 09:06.57 | djszapi | it is a bit bad for foreigners as me, but it is not so much for locals as far as I heard. |
| 09:07.50 | djszapi | also, there is always remote work possible at Canonical, Blue Systems, etc etc |
| 09:07.59 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: and where do I get mplayer from |
| 09:08.25 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: it's in repos and there are few versions on TMO |
| 09:08.26 | chem|st | I do see smplayer in my repos active but no mplayer |
| 09:08.32 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: did you find link i sent you? |
| 09:08.39 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: yes |
| 09:08.46 | ZogG_laptop | link me back |
| 09:08.55 | ZogG_laptop | i'll read it - it's in russian i think right? |
| 09:09.08 | chem|st | http://sourceforge.net/projects/mplayer-n9/ |
| 09:10.07 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: he is saying he is using https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=42 for harmattan |
| 09:12.16 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: it's as well in description on site in english |
| 09:12.30 | ZogG_laptop | i just read now the original of his announcements where i got link :P |
| 09:16.36 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: a new frontend doesn't help the missing codecs?! |
| 09:17.22 | ZogG_laptop | it should |
| 09:17.31 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: do you have additional gstream plugins? |
| 09:17.42 | djszapi | chem|st: yeah, that would be a very odd design. |
| 09:18.04 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: the ones we installed but native do not use them? |
| 09:18.19 | ZogG_laptop | and did you check the config of mplayer? |
| 09:19.13 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: does not play anything... |
| 09:20.54 | chem|st | mplayer plays fine from cli |
| 09:21.46 | ZogG_laptop | so it plays on mplayer but not on gui? |
| 09:21.56 | chem|st | yes |
| 09:22.15 | chem|st | and we still do not have codecs for videoplayer |
| 09:22.31 | ZogG_laptop | and no setting in gui? i think gui just uses it's own parameters and doesn't give a damn about settings u have |
| 09:22.45 | ZogG_laptop | there are two options, or to find where and switch/change |
| 09:22.49 | ZogG_laptop | or to contact dev |
| 09:23.02 | ZogG_laptop | i think you may report bug to him and he may fix it |
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| 09:25.56 | chem|st | mmh now it plays... |
| 09:28.32 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: plays everything stock doesn't? |
| 09:29.05 | ZogG_laptop | but it doesn't have hardware acceleraton you now like stock one, so it might be laggy :P |
| 09:29.42 | chem|st | *sigh* |
| 09:32.39 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: there is no way to use it as it closed :P |
| 09:32.50 | ZogG_laptop | and jonni left nokia so no one to leak the source :P |
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| 09:39.57 | chem|st | ZogG_laptop: that is why I wanted to have stock player have codecs available |
| 09:40.15 | chem|st | nvm |
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| 09:47.18 | djszapi | ~seen qwazix |
| 09:47.19 | infobot | qwazix <~qwazix@athedsl-342566.home.otenet.gr> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 6d 14h 16m 39s ago, saying: 'g'night'. |
| 09:49.29 | ZogG_laptop | chem|st: you can't have both :P |
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| 10:41.57 | djszapi | rZr: so what is it your raspberry pi? |
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| 10:54.45 | rZr | djszapi, in my neigbour's appartement but she's seems on holydays too ... |
| 10:55.01 | djszapi | rZr: why in the neighbour? :/ |
| 10:55.16 | rZr | djszapi, i wasnt home so ups gave it to her |
| 10:55.32 | djszapi | rZr: why not to the company? |
| 10:55.35 | rZr | djszapi, better than returned it where it came... |
| 10:55.50 | djszapi | well, company works fine during the daytime. |
| 10:55.59 | djszapi | unless someone is remote worker. |
| 10:56.03 | rZr | they came 3 times |
| 10:56.20 | rZr | well i might retrieve it next monday |
| 10:56.23 | rZr | donno |
| 10:56.49 | djszapi | I always found that company the most appropriate for deliverie. |
| 10:56.52 | djszapi | deliveries* |
| 10:56.56 | djszapi | the* |
| 10:57.11 | rZr | you mean your work place ? |
| 10:57.49 | djszapi | sure |
| 10:58.06 | djszapi | they are open during the daytime, and usually people visit them so it looks the best solution to me. |
| 10:58.19 | rZr | yes I thought about that too |
| 10:58.35 | rZr | but that time I thought it will be faster :) |
| 10:59.12 | djszapi | it is not the matter of time ;) |
| 10:59.17 | djszapi | it is just the matter of where you get. |
| 10:59.31 | djszapi | you are too dependent on other people if it does not come to the company reception. |
| 10:59.39 | rZr | but didnt you change the workplace ? |
| 10:59.59 | rZr | it might be arrived to your prev job ? |
| 11:00.11 | djszapi | nope |
| 11:00.23 | djszapi | as you may remember, Tom was asking for new addresses on the mailing list. |
| 11:00.36 | djszapi | but relocation would not have helped with neighbour either anyways ;) |
| 11:01.18 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: sup |
| 11:07.15 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: tell djszapi it might bring him a lot of contribution — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1270986#post1270986 |
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| 11:19.38 | rZr | djszapi, I gave my friend's company address as replacement address but it has been ignored |
| 11:19.50 | rZr | brb |
| 11:39.51 | rZr | ZogG_laptop, funny http://silk.qtquick.me/hellosilk.qml |
| 11:43.15 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: there was web page with whole qml |
| 11:43.55 | rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1271015#post1271015 |
| 11:44.12 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: http://lauri.paimen.info/qmlweb/test/testpad/viewer.html#../presentation.qml |
| 11:44.21 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: that is neat!!! |
| 12:01.12 | djszapi | rZr: I see. |
| 12:03.31 | djszapi | rZr: why do you keep repeating snowshow? |
| 12:03.35 | djszapi | it is snowsho_e_. |
| 12:03.59 | djszapi | rZr: you can tell to jukkaeklund it has been working for quite a while. |
| 12:04.07 | djszapi | Harmattan was the first mobile platform getting qt5 pakages. |
| 12:04.09 | djszapi | packages* |
| 12:04.11 | djszapi | afaict |
| 12:07.02 | rZr | but untested ? |
| 12:07.47 | djszapi | rZr: huh? |
| 12:07.54 | djszapi | what untested? |
| 12:08.01 | djszapi | I worked closely with upstream to make it work |
| 12:08.19 | djszapi | one client of those: http://lpapp.blogspot.ch/2012/09/randa-kde-frameworks-build-experiment.html |
| 12:08.25 | djszapi | should work |
| 12:08.34 | djszapi | what bug are you hitting? |
| 12:08.35 | rZr | yes i read it |
| 12:08.55 | rZr | i havent tested it ... never assume there are none |
| 12:08.56 | djszapi | we can fix if you find one. |
| 12:09.10 | djszapi | even the qml component gallery works. |
| 12:09.14 | rZr | anyway this is a great achievement |
| 12:09.14 | djszapi | which heavily uses it. |
| 12:09.31 | djszapi | there are two issues essentially about the components. |
| 12:09.36 | rZr | tell me ? |
| 12:09.48 | djszapi | orientation plugin - replacement of context kit |
| 12:09.53 | djszapi | and the other is the screen issue |
| 12:10.09 | djszapi | the Screen component is unrecognized for some reason. |
| 12:10.15 | djszapi | I am currently working on fixing them. |
| 12:10.27 | djszapi | and then it should be fairly simple to port qtquick1 applications to qtquick2. |
| 12:10.37 | djszapi | pretty much bumping the import from 1.X to 2.0 |
| 12:10.40 | djszapi | one sed command, that. |
| 12:11.54 | rZr | I will try that on redak |
| 12:12.16 | rZr | i must publish my symbian port too |
| 12:14.24 | djszapi | good luck : |
| 12:14.25 | djszapi | :) |
| 12:15.09 | rZr | http://lauri.paimen.info/qmlweb/test/testpad/testpad.html#parsingdev.qml |
| 12:16.33 | djszapi | rZr: you like it? |
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| 12:18.13 | rZr | well this is weird but funny |
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| 12:19.40 | rZr | here is the ghost of itsnotabigtruck |
| 12:20.12 | djszapi | rZr: well do not bother him. Perhaps itsnotabigtruck is now writing nice metro applications :-) |
| 12:20.35 | rZr | like wpinception |
| 12:47.08 | jonni | I made a small tutorial howto get 256MB more ram in your N9 -> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1271033 (only for advanced users, you will brick your device if your not carefull) :) |
| 12:47.45 | djszapi | jonni: what is new about it? |
| 12:47.55 | djszapi | there has been an ovi store application for quite a some time ;) |
| 12:48.31 | djszapi | at least for half a year, but I bet it is even more. |
| 12:48.41 | djszapi | you just essentially need to push a button which takes care of this. |
| 12:48.53 | jonni | djszapi: oh has there been, it turns the unused 450MB mtd partition as swap. Atleast I havent seen such an app in ovi store since it needs tcb-sign capa? :) |
| 12:49.31 | djszapi | well, no. |
| 12:49.42 | djszapi | there was an application in ovi store. I could potentially look up in the log. |
| 12:49.55 | jonni | turning off ramz app might have been earlier |
| 12:50.15 | jonni | but not the instructions to turn ramz from ram to mtd partition |
| 12:50.15 | djszapi | but I know that 256 MB sparing was possible. |
| 12:50.20 | djszapi | iirc |
| 12:50.31 | djszapi | or even more. I did not thrive into this deeply. |
| 12:50.36 | djszapi | I will check my log out later. |
| 12:51.46 | djszapi | yeah, that application was totally legit :) |
| 12:51.52 | djszapi | no inception and other hacks. |
| 12:52.00 | djszapi | so something that end users could trust more etc. |
| 12:53.17 | djszapi | how much does it matter? |
| 12:53.23 | djszapi | if it is put to mtd or not. |
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| 12:55.44 | jonni | djszapi: in ram system starts paging files to ramz after 768MB is full, with mtd is starts to paging after 1024MB is full, so basicly you can use 256MB more ram before system starts to slow down due to swapping. |
| 12:56.36 | jonni | if you only use couple apps at a time and never use more than 512mb ram, it doesnt matter at all, it only starts to affect if you use multiple apps, or apps that eat memory like mad ie browsers |
| 12:57.12 | djszapi | yes, but those applications will eat up the addition 256 MB as well, no? |
| 12:57.18 | djszapi | additional* |
| 12:58.13 | djszapi | rZr: could you please give a link to the Qt5 development thread? |
| 12:58.21 | djszapi | into the tmo thread where you posted a reply to mikecomputing? |
| 12:58.24 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: there were rumors that djszapi hired hitman to solve inception problem |
| 12:58.31 | djszapi | we should not have several separate threads for this. |
| 12:59.08 | djszapi | one thread should be dedicated to the topic as ajalkane and others did. |
| 12:59.17 | djszapi | and we should send people in there for further discussion. |
| 13:01.25 | djszapi | rZr: to this one specifically: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=85028 |
| 13:01.39 | djszapi | people send people there for qt5 discussions, thanks. |
| 13:03.28 | ZogG_laptop | or do it yourself, make proper announce post |
| 13:04.27 | djszapi | rZr: you can also send them to my blog posts directly where I mentioned all these things very ell. |
| 13:04.34 | djszapi | well* |
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| 13:05.23 | ZogG_laptop | and redirect maemo.org to his blog as well |
| 13:05.40 | ZogG_laptop | he is too busy and find TMO too stupid :) |
| 13:05.55 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: are you there? |
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| 13:29.53 | ZogG_laptop | ~seen itsnotabigtruck |
| 13:29.54 | infobot | itsnotabigtruck is currently on #n9 (24m 31s) #harmattan (24m 31s), last said: 'this is just one in a long line of simple utility apps with price tags suddenly slapped on'. |
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| 14:07.49 | lucido | qprocess works without problems in harmattan? |
| 14:08.43 | rZr | i think so |
| 14:09.43 | djszapi|windows | yes, it does. |
| 14:09.53 | djszapi|windows | although slightly differently as you would expect. |
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| 14:20.07 | Sfiet_Konstantin | djszapi|windows: what are the main diff ? |
| 14:20.55 | djszapi|windows | Sfiet_Konstantin: the runtime policy framework. |
| 14:21.10 | Sfiet_Konstantin | pfff |
| 14:21.29 | Sfiet_Konstantin | if I have the good Aegis credential it should work, right ? |
| 14:22.05 | djszapi|windows | well if you have a credential to do something, then you have :) |
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| 15:20.32 | blueslee | rZr: i renamed the 42^infinity to Mee42, i am having problems with non available packages on harmattan, i am switching the tools so that it can also run on harmattan |
| 15:22.01 | blueslee | rZr: if you wish you can package it and add it then to your repo, the same holds for SBM-EFA http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1213465, i had no time to do the modifications yet |
| 15:22.47 | ZogG_laptop | blueslee: hey long time my friend :P |
| 15:23.15 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: hi, how are you? |
| 15:23.35 | ZogG_laptop | mostly not bad |
| 15:24.09 | blueslee | do you make progress concerning programming? |
| 15:25.21 | blueslee | you wrote a cloud app afair |
| 15:25.36 | ZogG_laptop | nope |
| 15:25.40 | ZogG_laptop | imgrup |
| 15:25.42 | blueslee | one moment .. imgrup |
| 15:25.49 | ZogG_laptop | not really had time |
| 15:26.04 | ZogG_laptop | hope to play around rpi and if i get bb alpha device :P |
| 15:26.13 | blueslee | same holds for me, i have ideas but no time:-) |
| 15:26.44 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: i saw a prototyp of the next bb10 device this week:-) |
| 15:26.47 | ZogG_laptop | but i have no skills as well |
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| 15:27.39 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: the bb multitasking screen is more or less the same as of maemo/harmattan |
| 15:27.53 | ZogG_laptop | they stold few swipe ideas |
| 15:27.58 | ZogG_laptop | and feed screen |
| 15:28.02 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: the ui looks a lot as harmattan |
| 15:28.18 | blueslee | maybe the licensed it, who knows |
| 15:29.56 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: i have to dive into mee42 now, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1270736#post1270736 |
| 15:30.38 | blueslee | ZogG_laptop: hopefully taixzo implements it into saera so that we can all profit from it |
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| 15:35.24 | ZogG_laptop | blueslee: not bad |
| 15:38.28 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
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| 16:24.28 | djszapi|windows | rZr: what is the situation about gtk2? |
| 16:25.04 | djszapi|windows | on Harmattan for sure. :-) |
| 16:25.08 | rZr | it was building fine in the repo you discarded |
| 16:25.36 | djszapi|windows | rZr: so no any progress on the stable variant? |
| 16:26.05 | rZr | no |
| 16:26.37 | rZr | i dont think i will focus on it , since noone seemed to have lot of interest into it |
| 16:28.19 | rZr | djszapi, btw cobs is building a lot so i let it for others , will trigger some builds once it is idling |
| 16:28.41 | rZr | dammit |
| 16:28.45 | rZr | they did it |
| 16:28.47 | rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=emacs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting&repository=Mer_next_Core_armv7l |
| 16:29.04 | rZr | djszapi, do u have interest into nemo/mer ? |
| 16:32.47 | rZr | djszapi, same version ? |
| 16:32.48 | rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=libbonobo&project=home%3Arzr%3Adebian |
| 16:32.50 | rZr | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=libbonobo&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
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| 16:58.39 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: they have systemd, so why u shocked about emacs :P |
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| 17:30.27 | rZr | :) |
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| 17:50.33 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: someone connected rpi to motorolalap dock :P |
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| 18:24.25 | djszapi|windows | rZr: no, I do not have interest in mer/nemo, I am afraid. |
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| 18:51.07 | rZr | ZogG_laptop, this makes a ARM lappy |
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| 19:29.02 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: exactly :P |
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| 19:47.24 | beford | sup |
| 19:48.17 | djszapi|windows | beford: yo |
| 19:55.17 | beford | hey djszapi|windows |
| 19:57.38 | ZogG_laptop | beford: *wink* |
| 19:58.06 | beford | hey ZogG_laptop, going to bbjam right? get me a bb10 device please :3 |
| 19:58.35 | djszapi|windows | beford: I can give you one. |
| 19:58.41 | djszapi|windows | if you make a decent contribution for KDE. :-) |
| 19:59.00 | beford | I use gnome :/ |
| 19:59.04 | ZogG_laptop | why he has to be always such a smartass? |
| 19:59.16 | ZogG_laptop | beford: not sure if i get one |
| 19:59.37 | ZogG_laptop | i think to buy playbook there if they have USA prices and discounts :P |
| 19:59.38 | djszapi|windows | beford: ok, this program is mostly for kde contribution. |
| 20:00.11 | beford | I wouldn't really know where to contribute for KDE |
| 20:00.35 | beford | ZogG_laptop: that's ok I was kidding :P you are going with MohammadAG right? that's cool |
| 20:00.39 | ZogG_laptop | i have answer but i wouldn't say, i have device but u can't have it, why the hell why it would interest us that u have if u can share :P |
| 20:00.47 | ZogG_laptop | beford: yup |
| 20:00.58 | ZogG_laptop | i'm sure he gets one :P |
| 20:11.19 | beford | yea, did you apply for one too? |
| 20:13.21 | beford | djszapi|windows: i'm trying to show a feedback on the screen where the finger is pressed on the screen, is that possible? |
| 20:13.53 | ZogG_laptop | beford: yap |
| 20:13.59 | ZogG_laptop | wouldn't know till october |
| 20:14.11 | djszapi|windows | beford: what feedback exactly? |
| 20:14.30 | ZogG_laptop | beford: qml? |
| 20:15.56 | beford | yea in QML, well just some small circle to show where the click event ocurred would be ok |
| 20:16.20 | ZogG_laptop | beford: try to check venemo's game code |
| 20:16.30 | ZogG_laptop | he uses multitouch to rotate puzzles |
| 20:16.34 | beford | but I wanted to implement it in the QML Page, and still be able to see click events on controls on top of it |
| 20:16.42 | ZogG_laptop | i bet he uses it to understan which one to move/rotate |
| 20:16.46 | beford | ok I'll see that |
| 20:17.01 | djszapi|windows | beford: see what? |
| 20:17.13 | ZogG_laptop | haha |
| 20:17.16 | ZogG_laptop | he ignores me |
| 20:17.30 | beford | some app by Venemo that could be doing what I need |
| 20:17.33 | ZogG_laptop | beford: talk to me without highlight |
| 20:17.43 | djszapi|windows | beford: none of Venemo's applications know that. |
| 20:17.57 | djszapi|windows | beford: actually, I cannot think of any applications doing that right now. |
| 20:18.08 | djszapi|windows | except the bootup screen. |
| 20:18.18 | ZogG_laptop | he would think you getting crazy |
| 20:18.37 | ZogG_laptop | beford: just check the code :P |
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| 20:21.50 | jonni | beford: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/lauri-jaaskelas-forum-nokia-blog/2011/02/03/raw-multitouch-pointer-events-in-qml thats example code that draws circles under you touch events |
| 20:28.17 | djszapi|windows | beford: perhaps I could implement this with the qt-components out of the box. |
| 20:31.21 | beford | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X1pDeuXLyA |
| 20:31.28 | beford | something like this is what I try to achieve |
| 20:31.41 | beford | thanks jonni I will check |
| 20:33.37 | djszapi|windows | rZr: you can check the "Hello Qt5" example by the way. |
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| 21:04.29 | rzr | djszapi, i'll get the rpi tomorow .... |
| 21:04.43 | rzr | djszapi, neighbour came back |
| 21:05.12 | djszapi|windows | rzr: gz :) |
| 21:05.27 | djszapi|windows | rzr: I am writing a blog post again. |
| 21:06.50 | rzr | qt related ? |
| 21:07.00 | djszapi|windows | rzr: yes |
| 21:07.25 | rzr | kde ? |
| 21:07.43 | djszapi|windows | rzr: yes |
| 21:12.28 | djszapi|windows | rzr: I have made an installer for rekonq. |
| 21:13.15 | rzr | usable ? |
| 21:13.24 | djszapi|windows | yes, for Windows. |
| 21:13.32 | djszapi|windows | I have been using this daily. |
| 21:13.42 | djszapi|windows | and I have stepped up for maintaining the kde windows rekonq package. |
| 21:13.53 | rzr | btw where did kde cygwin go ? |
| 21:14.03 | djszapi|windows | what is kde cygwin? |
| 21:14.20 | rzr | this was a project to support kde for cygwin |
| 21:14.37 | rzr | i used some kde tools in cygwin a decade ago |
| 21:14.46 | rzr | but it looks the project gave up |
| 21:14.52 | djszapi|windows | rzr: have not ever heard of any kde cygwin project. |
| 21:15.18 | rzr | http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 21:15.56 | djszapi|windows | huh, that is quite ancient. ;) |
| 21:16.05 | djszapi|windows | we have not used this for kde4 windows. |
| 21:16.34 | rzr | ftp://sourceware.org/pub/cygwinports/portslist.txt |
| 21:16.53 | rzr | http://www.flickr.com/photos/cygwinports/5858435457/in/photostream |
| 21:17.24 | rzr | not that old |
| 21:17.25 | djszapi|windows | we use emerge for KDE Windows (not the Gentoo stuff) |
| 21:17.30 | djszapi|windows | it is old :) |
| 21:18.16 | rzr | but does it support unix path etc ? |
| 21:18.33 | djszapi|windows | unsure what you mean. |
| 21:18.36 | ZogG_laptop | emerge |
| 21:18.38 | ZogG_laptop | they stoled it |
| 21:18.42 | rzr | http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Windows/emerge |
| 21:18.55 | rzr | cygwin has the unix root ... |
| 21:18.56 | ZogG_laptop | even chromeOs |
| 21:18.57 | djszapi|windows | rzr: windows does not use linux paths. |
| 21:18.59 | rzr | windows is not |
| 21:19.12 | djszapi|windows | like said, we do not use cygwin. |
| 21:19.14 | ZogG_laptop | cit is based on portage |
| 21:19.15 | rzr | ok |
| 21:19.18 | djszapi|windows | we have not been using for eons. :-) |
| 21:21.08 | rzr | cygwin is generally the 1st stuff i am installing once i am forced to use a windows box |
| 21:21.58 | djszapi|windows | have not used cygwin for a decade |
| 21:22.01 | djszapi|windows | I do not bother. |
| 21:22.07 | djszapi|windows | kde emerge is just so powerful. |
| 21:22.24 | djszapi|windows | I even develop qt stuff with the kde system on Windows. |
| 21:22.40 | djszapi|windows | I have even made "vim" working out of the box with it in the default cmd! |
| 21:22.45 | rzr | do you have konsole ? |
| 21:22.45 | djszapi|windows | "default". |
| 21:22.50 | djszapi|windows | just cmd |
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| 21:24.34 | djszapi|windows | rzr: http://imagebin.org/229544 |
| 22:12.34 | beford | lets see how well the necessitas SDK work |
| 22:13.06 | rzr | beford, qml ? |
| 22:13.29 | beford | qt on android yea |
| 22:13.39 | rzr | tell me if symbian componnents are ok |
| 22:13.56 | rzr | been told they're supported partially |
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| 22:25.42 | lpapp | beford: it does not. |
| 22:25.47 | lpapp | they do not have components |
| 22:25.57 | lpapp | and there is lots of lack unfortunately. |
| 22:33.39 | lpapp | rzr: symbian components on Android sounds like a very weird idea to me |
| 22:35.29 | rzr | unless you create ur own :) |
| 22:36.23 | rzr | symbian+meego component was a weird idea too |
| 22:40.08 | lpapp | rzr: we do not need nemo or/and mer. |
| 22:45.18 | rzr | #define we ? |
| 22:47.16 | lpapp | rzr: people preferring mature solutions instead of immature. |
| 22:48.09 | rzr | every mature solution was once immature ... |
| 22:48.25 | lpapp | so what? |
| 22:48.34 | lpapp | people will prefer immature over mature then? |
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| 23:14.22 | lpapp | rzr: have you ported redak to qtquick2? |
| 23:14.57 | rzr | not yet |
| 23:15.00 | rzr | i plan too |
| 23:15.12 | rzr | -o |
| 23:15.33 | rzr | should be fast as you said ... but i use some qtlabs import |
| 23:15.53 | lpapp | just version update, yes. |
| 23:16.22 | rzr | i'll do that tomorow on rpi :) |
| 23:16.37 | lpapp | well rpi is just a stupid board. |
| 23:16.55 | lpapp | you will need the very minimum a display. |
| 23:17.06 | rzr | i will judge myself |
| 23:17.37 | lpapp | and if that display is not touch friendly, you are screwed |
| 23:17.43 | lpapp | you will also need then inputs etc |
| 23:17.54 | lpapp | it is not like a phonon just to dismiss the misconceptions.... |
| 23:18.00 | lpapp | phone* |
| 23:18.27 | lpapp | you need to get things done which are done by default for target systems |
| 23:19.38 | rzr | tell me which platform support qtquick2 by default ? |
| 23:20.59 | lpapp | I was not actually referring qtquick2, but for way lower level things |
| 23:21.19 | lpapp | I dislike spending (wasting) my time to take care of even the hardware. |
| 23:21.26 | lpapp | I usually do not even have time for the software... |
| 23:22.35 | rzr | i can understand |
| 23:23.11 | lpapp | and a hardware I make will never be so good like on done by famous vendor as Nokia. |
| 23:23.20 | lpapp | used by bunch of people etc. |
| 23:23.39 | rzr | so there is no future ... |
| 23:23.47 | lpapp | back to your your slightly different question: raspbian does support qtqucik2 out of the box. |
| 23:24.02 | lpapp | qtquick2* |
| 23:24.26 | rzr | i dont even think they have components |
| 23:24.43 | lpapp | qtquick2 != components. |
| 23:24.53 | rzr | no but redak use them |
| 23:27.13 | lpapp | hmm I apparently missed the deadline for the Qt Conference Day. |
| 23:27.23 | lpapp | I had no time to submit a talk proposal. :/ |
| 23:28.52 | rzr | next one will be better :) |
| 23:30.19 | lpapp | too many events, too less time unfortunately. |
| 23:30.30 | lpapp | cannot be everywhere. |
| 23:35.22 | rzr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fy63w6WxOw |
| 23:35.39 | rzr | wait |
| 23:35.45 | rzr | this is old |
| 23:36.18 | lpapp | very old, yeah. |
| 23:38.05 | lpapp | this webkit a cruel beast project XD |
| 23:38.11 | lpapp | is* |
| 23:41.11 | lpapp | I wonder if there is anybody here with decent boost experience? |
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