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01:14.16fcorreawhat's up everybody. So my wife's N9 wont reboot and wont charge. Already went through pretty much all forums trying whatever it was written
01:14.37fcorreaI guess the problem is the USB as it's not recognized either on windows 7 or linux
01:15.58fcorreaon linux I guess this: http://pastebin.com/HWhQAsvn
01:16.45fcorreaon windows, the new device shows up and immediately disappears as the device disconnects itself
01:17.34fcorreaI suspect this is related to some USB issues as we never were able to connect the device to any desktop environment on mac, windows or linux
01:17.55fcorreamain question is, is there anything else I can check before taking it to NCC?
01:44.12djszapiketas: works for me from the settings
01:50.45djszapifcorrea:
01:50.53djszapihave you tried the cold flash?
01:51.33djszapialso, to see if the device is in a reboot loop why it does not seem to charge?
01:53.13ketasdjszapi: i don't understand
01:53.39djszapiketas: well, there is a settings as autolock off...
01:53.56ketasbut i can't get to settings anymore
01:53.58djszapisetting*
01:54.12ketasbecause i don't know what the lock code is
01:54.19djszapiI thinkI cannot help as there lots of information missing.
01:54.20djszapilike this one.
01:54.27ketasprevious owner claimed have done nothing special with it
01:54.34djszapiI cannot spend my time if basic information is missing, I am afraid.
01:55.00ketasi opened track & protect from menu
01:55.04djszapidemand the previous owner to give the password.
01:55.04ketasit was mistake
01:55.52djszapior re-flash, or NCC.
01:56.17ketasdoes this reflash delete all content from phone?
01:56.25djszapialso, ssh could be tried as well anyways.
01:56.35djszapiwell, no.
01:56.39djszapiemmc is preserved.
01:56.55ketassecurity code can be reset without data loss?
01:57.02djszapiwell,no.
01:57.09djszapiyou will lose the rootfs.
01:57.34ketasis there way to mount it... in any way?
01:57.44ketasi'm assuming this isn't encrypted?!
01:57.54ketasonly you can't access it?
01:58.46fcorreadjszapi, hey there. Thanks for answering
01:59.16fcorreadjszapi, yeah, it's in the reboot loop without showing the spinning thing, just the "nokia" text and then reboots
01:59.36djszapifcorrea: ok, that is not too desperate.
01:59.42djszapiand the reason is clear.
01:59.50djszapithe reboot takes more kraft than the charging.
02:00.05djszapiso it is actually charging, but you need to turn the reboot loop off.
02:00.12fcorrearight, that's what I imagined
02:00.20djszapithere is an option for that if you read the help output of the flasher util.
02:00.28djszapigoes back to sleep
02:00.29fcorreachecks
02:00.39ketashow come you go back to sleep...
02:00.49ketasdid you just woke up? :)
02:01.54fcorrealet's try the cold flash thingie (if linux manages to get access to the USB)
02:05.07fcorreawonders what is the "2nd image"
02:05.45ketasi wish there be recovery boot for n9
02:05.50ketaswell supposedly there is
02:05.58ketasbut that's not installed there
02:06.09ketasas i read it works like this
02:07.07fcorreayeah, that would be nice
02:07.38fcorreathis was quite unexpected and I was really hopping for some combination of the volume rocker + pwr button
02:10.11ketaswonders if buttons
02:10.17ketasof
02:10.39ketasit still has some!
02:10.44ketaswhole three buttons
02:11.03fcorreareally?
02:13.58fcorreawell, the thing is that linux wont detect the device and thus it can't be flashed
02:14.14ketassucks
02:14.15fcorreanot sure if it's an issue with the micro USB
02:14.19fcorreayeah
02:14.31ketascan't the flasher somehow "catch" it?
02:14.31fcorreathe device is rock solid, except for that
02:14.43ketasto stop reboot loop
02:14.49ketaswhat happened with it anyway
02:15.00fcorreaso far I couldn't get the reboot to stop
02:15.15ketastried hammer?
02:15.54ketaswell, one might have problem starting boot again after that
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02:16.01fcorrearight, so my wife went visit her folks and noticed that it wasn't charging. Then when it finally booted to meego, she said there was a red rectangle at the very top of the screen and it was locked
02:16.04ketasbut it surely stops it
02:16.12fcorreashe then tried a hard reboot and it got stuck there forever
02:16.41fcorreaI guess if there was a reboot counter in the hardware, it would be close to 1M reboots so far
02:17.26ketaswait
02:17.28ketas:)
02:19.40fcorreaso yeah, both windows or linux can't detect the device on the USB because it seems it disconnects itself right away
02:20.23ketasassuming 1m reboots, and it reboots every 3s you only need to wait 4 days
02:20.25ketas:P
02:20.46ketasyea that sucks if it can't stay connected to usb long enough
02:20.57ketasi wonder what can one do
02:21.01fcorreaheh, I guess I'll try the hammer before that
02:21.08ketassim card is in?
02:21.12fcorreayep
02:22.27ketashmm does cold boot take bit longer
02:22.32ketasthan hot rebooting
02:23.38fcorreahere's the evidence of the reboot and connect/disconnect: http://pastebin.com/9gUL8hQC
02:23.47fcorreait keeps going on and on
02:24.01ketasround and round
02:24.03fcorreawhile the flaher patiently waits for it
02:25.13ketasearth turns...
02:25.13fcorreayeah, almost a full turn by now
02:25.13ketassince n9 first failed?
02:25.18fcorreayesterday, I mean, saturday
02:25.46ketasMon Oct  8 05:25:39 EEST 2012
02:25.47ketashere
02:26.09fcorreaketas, not sure how long you've been hanging out here but have you ever heard people complaining about USB issues? Like not being able to mount N9 as USB storage?
02:26.30ketasjoined yesterday
02:26.35ketas:P
02:26.36fcorreaI'm behind, still Sunday here....23:26
02:26.38fcorreaheh
02:26.39fcorreanice
02:27.06ketasi though giving this n9 to mother
02:27.12ketasdamn lock!
02:27.24ketashow did lock happen anyway...
02:27.43fcorreaI'm a big fan of the device but this is killing me...actually it's killing it
02:28.31ketasif you hit it with hammer finally, does this mean n9 committed assisted suicide
02:28.47fcorreaI really don't know. My wife noticed in the morning that it didn't charge and then the device decided to enter in reboot mode
02:29.22fcorreawell, right now it's pretty much holding a loaded gun in his mouth this close to pulling the trigger
02:29.43fcorreasuspiciously looks at the hammer
02:29.55ketasyou actually have hammer there? :P
02:30.49fcorreayeah, I was fixing the place yesterday
02:33.47fcorreaalright, I'll crash and let it plugged on power AC. Will poke people tomorrow and see if it's fixable
02:33.51fcorreatake care
02:33.58ketas:)
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04:38.16ketasWOW, it entered into special usb mode!
04:39.48ketas0xffff talks with it
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06:39.39sony123Anyone tried using Qt Creator 2.6 with symbian qt component on a blackberry target?
07:00.07ketaskhm
07:00.14ketasstill hacking n9
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07:39.41ketashttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87063 / Nokia N9 fell from 16th floor balcony
07:39.44ketaspoor thing!
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07:59.05heymasterhttp://cl.ly/image/0O213c3T1T1j << bought used N9 and after 1 day got such scree. Anybody knows how to solve this problem?
07:59.14heymasterscreen*
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08:02.21cckweshow about a re-flash?
08:02.50heymastercckwes: thanks. will try
08:04.29cckwesheymaster: welcome, hope your problem will be solved :)
08:04.42heymaster:)
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09:01.42SpeedEvilhat is quite plausibly a hardware issue.
09:01.45SpeedEvilthat
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09:46.13Hurrianheymaster, that's definitely a hardware issue.
09:46.28HurrianDoesn't look like simple framebuffer bugs as usual.
09:46.58heymasterHurrian: ok. i will try to reflash and will post any news
09:48.44ketashow about my lock code
09:49.10Lava_Croftwoa nice borked screen :<
09:49.17ketasbtw, 0xffff even seems to work with n9!
09:49.25ketasi was able to turn r&d mode on
09:50.13Hurrianketas, nice, it means that Nokia didn't change the flashing protocol too much with the N9.
09:50.32Lava_Croftheymaster: when my used N9's camera broke, i just returned it to Nokia Online Repair
09:50.33ketasand -b works too... as it seems
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09:50.43ketashowever can't dump flash
09:50.45Lava_Croftthere they just replaced the broken HW and returned my phone
09:50.48ketasno device :(
09:50.52HurrianIIRC Pali was working on a rootfs and eMMC flasher for the N900, with a few tweaks to allow Harmattan to use ape-algo it could flash Harmattan.
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09:51.26ketasany kernel boot args i can pass to avoid lock code?
09:51.28heymasterLava_Croft: yes, i have guarantee, but don't know why seller don't said about such problems
09:51.33ketasi doubt i can...
09:52.17Lava_Croftheymaster: you bought the N9 without seeing it in action?
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09:52.31heymasterLava_Croft: i flashed 1.3 version on first day. but seems i saw black parallel lines
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09:52.47Lava_Croftheh
09:52.48heymasterLava_Croft: no. i checked everything
09:52.59Lava_Croftwell, maybe the seller never knew then
09:53.12ketasdidn't check screen?
09:53.13Lava_Crofti would go the safe route and try Nokia Care
09:53.25heymasteri check
09:53.34Lava_Croftyeah, nobody buys a phone with a screen like that:)
09:53.38Hurrianis it under warranty in your country?
09:53.41Lava_Croftmaybe it broke during transport?
09:53.45heymasterHurrian: yes
09:53.49Lava_Croftheymaster: you in EU?
09:53.52heymasteryes
09:53.53Hurrianheymaster, it should be covered
09:53.53Lava_Croftwin
09:54.00Lava_Croftthen you are completely covered, like me
09:54.20heymasterI bought it from person near my house :)
09:54.30Lava_CroftI bought it a few cities from here, from someone who was completely lost with it
09:54.41Lava_Crofti think he expected to buy  a top of the line Symbian^3 device:D
09:55.31heymastercan't be any problems with usb cabel to reflash ?
09:55.40heymasterbecause i using different usb cable
09:55.45Lava_Croftnope
09:55.51Lava_Crofti use all kinds of USB cables on my n9
09:56.00heymasterand reflashing with macflasher
09:56.13Lava_Croftdont think that matters, but i dont own a mac
09:56.34Lava_Crofti flashed both on archlinux and windows7 without problems, i doubt macflasher would break stuff like this
09:57.13ketasthat's one shitty usb cable if this interferes with flash
09:58.32HurrianI think the flash will fail immediately if the USB cable's faulty.
09:59.06HurrianIIRC USB has a checksum of sorts on each packet.
09:59.06Lava_Croftthe way the screen looks suggests hardware failure
09:59.25ketasstrange, i found flashing mode key combination in n9
09:59.33ketas:)
10:00.13Hurrianketas, it was "hold volume button something", iirc
10:00.38ketas- + power on... hold until usb symbol appears on right top corner
10:00.48HurrianI plan to do my reinstallations with backupmenu now though.
10:00.56ketas"-" + "power"
10:01.34Hurrianfirst things on agenda once I back up my N9 is to unify the rootfs and home partitions.
10:01.37ketascan n9 boot off usb?
10:01.48Hurrianketas, it doesn't have hostmode
10:01.58Hurrianso unless you're using NFS over USBnet, no.
10:02.34ketaswhat is the client and host usb modes then?
10:02.41ketass/is/are/
10:02.58Hurrianit's a USB gadget iirc.
10:03.12HurrianHost mode = you can plug slave devices like printers, USB modems and flash drives
10:03.28HurrianUSB Gadget = the device is a slave for a USB Host
10:03.32heymasterhttp://cl.ly/image/0R0w050k373o/o
10:03.45heymasteri haven't done anything with phone.
10:03.48ketasHurrian: so it has usb host mode?
10:04.00heymasterbut i see such parallel black lines
10:04.11heymasterand first day i noticed them
10:04.12Hurrianheymaster, I'd worry about those, those are not normal.
10:04.22heymasterHurrian: why ?
10:04.24ketasit at least does usb eth... i bet host too
10:04.27HurrianTake it to Nokia Care, man, especially if you're covered.
10:04.48heymasterHurrian: ok
10:04.51HurrianThe screen, apart from the purple/green separation on white edges, is supposed to be flawless.
10:04.55ketasDevice's USB mode is 'client'
10:05.00Hurrianyup
10:05.04ketashmm it can be set to 'host' too
10:05.29HurrianIt can, but kernel interfaces and hardware PHY isn't ready for it
10:05.38ketasdamn
10:05.51Hurrianfirst off, it's a USB Micro-B connector, which lacks an ID pin for auto identification
10:06.07ketashackish usb host works
10:06.11ketasmaybe
10:06.24Hurrianminor inconvenience to manually switch modes, major inconvenience to find a micro-b to Full Size F cable
10:06.32heymasterHurrian: will care won't reflash my device to regional firmware ?
10:06.42ketasF?
10:06.52Hurrianheymaster, tell them NOT to flash the device
10:07.01heymasterHurrian: thanks
10:07.03Hurrianyou're in europe though, so you'd probably get 001
10:07.06HurrianWhich country?
10:08.15heymasterHurrian: yes i noticed my firmware was North Europe
10:08.28heymasterLithuania
10:12.16ZogG_laptopi sent u link eysterday to proper fw
10:13.00Hurrianheymaster, yup, you're safe.
10:13.11heymasterok, thanks
10:13.25heymasterZogG_laptop: yes
10:17.49mf2hdheymaster: nice country btw, been there couple of times at new year.
10:19.53heymastermf2hd: (y)
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10:30.12ketaswhat is fast blinking of led in n9
10:30.29ketasseems like "can't boot"
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10:36.02Jon_Severinssonketas: Has something to do with charging, I think it means too little power to boot.
10:36.15Lava_Croftcan you charge the N9 while its powered off?
10:36.21Lava_Croft(it better be able to!)
10:36.41ketasno went away fast but it seems like 50% full
10:36.46Lava_Croftsilly n900 cant boot and couldnt be recharged if battery is too low
10:36.52ketasi try to hack security code off
10:37.01ketaswithout losing anything
10:37.08Jon_Severinssonketas: yes, but verry slowly (at minimum usb power level).
10:37.26Lava_CroftJon_Severinsson: thats better than not charging at all :)
10:37.52ketasthere are supposedly some devices that don't charge at all
10:37.56ketassome charge SLOWLY
10:38.01Lava_Croftn900 doesnt charge
10:38.06ketasat all?
10:38.07Lava_Croftit needs to be booted to charge
10:38.24Lava_Croftthats why one carries around a stack of BL5J's
10:38.26Lava_Croft:P
10:38.33Lava_Croft(the n900's battery)
10:38.34ketashahaha
10:39.08Lava_Croftwell, that and being able to be the only person with a working smartphone after several days of not charging:)
10:40.29ketaswhy should it fail like this
10:40.46ketas:(
10:40.51Lava_Croftwhat code do you want, enabled security code or the other one
10:40.54Lava_Croftthe Lock code or whatever
10:41.04ketasme?
10:41.08Lava_Croftaye
10:41.46ketaswell i got used n9, previous owner said (s)he didn't enable anything... i managed to open track & protect... there it was
10:41.51ketasasking security code
10:41.57ketas:(
10:42.11Lava_Crofti dont even know if the t&p sec code is a seperate one
10:42.23Lava_Croftseperate from for example the code to unlock SIM or the other code
10:42.54ketasnow i'm trying to get it off somehow
10:43.14Lava_Crofthmm
10:43.26Lava_Croftuser said he/she didnt enable any security code?
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10:43.34ketasno
10:43.41Lava_Crofthttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1136955&postcount=3
10:43.54Lava_CroftMaybe that happened to the previous owner
10:44.35ketasi thought i can take quick peek and i didn't end up giving myself backdoor before this happened...
10:44.38ketasso sad
10:46.10ketassomeone said that swype password input screen has bug that gives you main menu :P
10:46.16rigoHi all, already earlier I reported that fenix is crashing once I try to open another mail folder of my imap server. Now I looked with ps aux and found that fenix continues to run, but that it looks like the folder dialog crashed. As nobody else has that problem, it looks like it is related to personal preferences. In KDE I would just remove .kde and start from scratch. What would be the equivalent for an N9?
10:46.43ketassupposedly you click on link in about swype dialog
10:48.04Lava_Croftrigo: Settings -> Reset -> ?
10:48.43Lava_Crofthttp://www.nokia.com/mea-en/support/product/n9-00/userguide/?action=onlineuserguidepagechange&pFile=GUID-6D73C105-43CA-4FDA-BF33-CA6AB2E4D4E6_FILE001.html
10:51.11Lava_Crofthaha, what
10:51.12Lava_Crofthttp://xkcd.com/1118/
10:52.33ketasvery good
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10:56.00ketasduring hacking, i somehow ended up having somewhat different ui but still lock screen
10:56.16ketaswhat kind of screen is this anyway
10:56.21ketassome app running on top?
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15:10.03fcorreahowdy folks. So, I'm waiting for my Torx screw driver set delivery. The N9 will need a volt charge directly in its heart
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15:24.23jonnifcorrea: usually its enought to have 1A 5V wallcharger
15:26.04fcorreajonni, yeah, already tried that
15:26.27jonniand led doesnt flash?
15:26.28fcorreajonni, it got stuck in the reboot loop and it wont be detected by either linux or windows so I can't query the id
15:26.48fcorreajonni, the led flashes yes, but it reboots and reboots
15:27.10jonnibut if it reboots and reboots, then its easy to query the id
15:28.07jonnijust put it to query the id in the background, and when it reboots it returns the value
15:28.18fcorreajonni, yeah, but only if linux or windows can detect it, which is not the case
15:28.22jonniand if it doesnt then change the usb port untill it does
15:29.06fcorreajonni, yeah, I guess that's what happens, when it turns on, it reboots so fast that it can't grab the id
15:29.41jonniif it reboots every second then maybe, but if it takes more than couple seconds then it can grab it
15:30.11jonniand ofcourse you can try 30seconds longpress powerbutton to change the mode manully to charning mode.
15:31.09fcorreajonni, 30 seconds? that's new
15:31.12fcorreatries
15:31.26jonniwell usually its 15-30s untill it vibrates
15:31.51jonnicold reboot.
15:35.42fcorreajonni, ok so I plug the wall adapter and the led goes white, the nokia logo shows up and then the led starts blinking. Then it sits there for like 50sec to 1min and then that process restarts
15:36.17fcorreajonni, so after the first vibration happens, right after the nokia logo shows up, press it and hold it for 30sec?
15:36.31jonniyep thats normal, then just do "sudo ./flasher -i" and it should detect when it restarts
15:36.59jonniand if it doesnt, then try diffent usb port, since detection sometimes work better on 1st port vs the others
15:38.51fcorreajonni, thanks will try
15:40.17jonni99.99% cases can fix rebootloop without ever opening the device, the only time when I had to dismantle the device has been when the usb port was totally broken, then I opened it and charged manually before I soldered a hack fix for usbport
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15:41.39jonnithere is usb debugpads on the backside of motherboard on the worst cases if port happens to break up :)
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15:42.18fcorreajonni, right. So yeah, it was weird. My wife was using the device and then she said she left it charging and then when she got the device in the morning it showed up a red square at the top of the screen. She then forced a hard reboot and then it got rebooting since then
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15:45.10fcorreajonni, not sure if it entered in charge mode or not but after pressing the button for 30sec, it doesn't blink anymore
15:45.14jonniheh red square doenst tell much, if you dont look into the text next to it informing whats its about, could be broken hardware, corrupted flash (or malfed software), or software upgrade etc :). But if you havent installed any custom sw and havent played with inception, then charging should fix it. but if its checksum error in sw then reflash is needed
15:45.18fcorreajonni, connected to the usb though
15:45.46fcorreajonni, :(. I wasn't around when it happened
15:46.07jonniheh, I know the feeling :)
15:46.50fcorreaanyways, let's hope it's charging now. I don't see it blinking so I'll just leave it alone
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15:47.59jonniyeah hopefully its charging quietly, atleast its a good sign that its not in rebootloop anymore.
15:48.55fcorreaI wish I could plug my amp meter to the USB cable and check if some current is flowing by
15:50.44fcorreajonni, ftr, I have "sudo flasher -i" waiting for it to come live. So far nothing...but I suspect that if it's sleeping, then it should be like that
15:51.53fcorreajonni, and this is what I get in /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.com/gx6Ks299
15:52.06fcorreanot now, but when it's rebooting
15:53.04jonnifcorrea: that looks like your linux kernel needs to reboot, or you should try different usb port, that happens when port/kernel is in bad state
15:54.26jonnisome kernels and distributions and ports sometimes have problems when enumerating the usb devices.
15:55.00fcorreajonni, that could be very true indeed. I mean, I'm on 3.5.0-15 here
15:55.59fcorreajonni, but while trying on window 7, I'd get a dialog showing the an USB device was available, and then immediately it disappeared (because of the reboot loop or weak battery I guess)
15:58.07jonniwell windows flasher can have 32bit vs 64bit probelms etc.
15:59.21jonnianyways I havent been using windows flashers that much, usually I do things with linux or mac
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16:01.56fcorrearight, well, I'll stick to linux
16:02.02fcorreaand try that reboot later
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16:12.34ZogG_laptopjonni: hey
16:14.47jonniZogG_laptop: hi
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17:14.43fcorreajonni, so it seems that the battery is extremely weak. It only shows the nokia logo when plugged to the wall adapter. While using USB, the LED comes up, start blinking but no screen
17:15.17fcorreaalso, noticed that it didn't go into charging mode....maybe because it can't hold the charge for 30sec before rebooting
17:15.19jonniblinking means charging, you should just leave it for 24 hours to charge up
17:16.14fcorreajonni, even if it reboots? I guess that the reboot loop will consume whatever charge the battery has accumulated in the previous boot
17:16.23fcorreabut fair point, I'll just leave it
17:16.36jonninope, it if reboots it eats up the battery, you neede to get it to -i mode
17:16.54jonniwhich means rebooting linux, or using different kernel
17:17.05fcorreayeah, the -i mode is killing me. Not sure if the micro USB is malfunctioning
17:17.14fcorrearight, will try a different kernel
17:17.18fcorreajust rebooted this one
17:17.25fcorreano luck
17:17.46jonniand never use usb hubs etc, needs to be connected to machine directly
17:18.28fcorrearoger, yeah that's what I've been trying
17:18.48fcorreaunless this mac USB is already internally routed
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17:30.47fcorreajonni, just tried other kernel on a different machine. No luck...same errors on syslog
17:31.20fcorreajonni, I suspect the USB is malfunctioning. As a matter of fact, I do remember my wife saying she never was able to enable the USB on the mac
17:31.33fcorreaso not sure it's fixable
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20:19.19ketaslooks at Pali
20:19.40Palihi
20:20.48ketassomeone said you have some ideas on 0xffff + n9? :)
20:22.07Paliketas, need to look at NOLO and MKII protocol
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20:42.23ketasPali: it partly works
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22:56.33ketasPali: ping
22:56.46Paliketas, pong
23:03.14ketashm, n9
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