| 00:11.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: you missed some ~10 lines of elaboration about exactly that? |
| 00:12.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-21 00:34:40] <DocScrutinizer05> seems there's a special contraption to plug in instead of / on top of the SIM. There are two rows of TP there |
| 00:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | etc pp |
| 00:21.27 | beford | jonni: I see, thanks. I would have thought that Nokia had allowed downgrade since its a developer device |
| 00:25.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn, I hoped for finding a N9 fbus adapter from cyclonebox, nitro, $other-flasher. But actually that's not a promising result that google gives me |
| 00:28.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | beford: actually they warned that downgrade is *not* possible, when they rolled out beta1.1 or whatever the name of first upgrade |
| 00:29.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and they had a rather lame "excuse" why this isn't a complete brainfuck for devels that can't afford to buy a new N950 for each HARM revision they are supposed to test their software against |
| 00:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's also been the moment where HARM definitely died for me |
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| 01:03.44 | beford | DocScrutinizer05: yea, I'm not sure what they try to protect by not allowing a downgrade |
| 01:11.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | allegedly they try to protect *us* - bwahahaha! In fact - if anything - they protect the interests of investors who rely on the main purpose of ~aegis |
| 01:11.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis |
| 01:11.38 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 01:12.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. "third party software" that has (or deals with) some intelectual property, which they want to protect by all means |
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| 01:13.20 | njsf | and also cell carrier device lock |
| 01:13.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the really funny detail in all that: I have to see yet any such third party software for HARM |
| 01:14.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | njsf: nope, that's cell-modem domain and largely unentangled with general firmware downgrade |
| 01:15.27 | njsf | ok |
| 01:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | even cellmo firmware uo/downgrades are a well understood process by now, and Nokia knows how to protect the SIMlock etc flags in cmt flash filesystem from any damage possibly done by firmware up- or downgrades |
| 01:16.04 | njsf | I though that would also serve to have "unlockers" from being able to run |
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| 01:20.46 | tschakMAC | is there a page showing the different harmattan stock icons, e.g. icon-m-content-playlist-inverse ? |
| 01:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | tschakEee: I don't think so |
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| 01:27.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, maybe i'm mistaken, then sorry |
| 01:27.30 | tschakMAC | ok. |
| 01:27.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen tschakeee |
| 01:27.35 | infobot | tschakeee <~TSCHAKeee@173.9.2.181-New-England.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 302d 5h 9m 23s ago, saying: 'later.'. |
| 01:27.38 | tschakMAC | i was able to look at each one, so it's okay |
| 01:28.33 | beford | btw, if I need to add a new icon for a provider is it ok to copy it to usr share themes blanco icons? |
| 01:35.50 | Hurrian | beford, yup, that works |
| 01:37.22 | beford | Hurrian: nokia qa wont complain? |
| 01:37.41 | Hurrian | it's how most apps get their icons in |
| 01:37.49 | beford | ah well, thanks |
| 01:37.52 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05, the ridiculous part is that no app stops functioning under openmode |
| 01:38.04 | Hurrian | heck, even under developer-mode |
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| 02:39.31 | SpeedEvil | is ... |
| 02:40.00 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
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| 04:27.20 | pa | why cant ssh as user , if i have the phone connected via usb? |
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| 11:15.15 | lina100 | hey all checkout this fun popular cam chat www.chatville.com |
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| 11:21.54 | jonni | pa: by default user doesnt have passwd set, thats why ssh as user doesnt work :) |
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| 12:02.04 | pa | jonni, i set it , and over wifi it works |
| 12:02.20 | pa | but over usb it seemingly does not let me login as user |
| 12:02.47 | pa | i mean, using 192.168.2.idontrememberlast |
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| 13:42.51 | trx | whats the default file system on n9 ~/ ? |
| 13:42.58 | trx | FAT32? |
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| 14:20.38 | marcellus_ | hi. can maemo repositories from N900 be used for MeeGo? |
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| 14:30.41 | Kleggas | marcellus_: "can" and "can", two different things. appsformeego adds its own repos file, you could probably add new repositories also then to your phone. However, the versions on the packages differs, would you really want to start messing with that? |
| 14:31.41 | Kleggas | marcellus_: I installed few things by manually downloading them from the maemo repos, but some wanted different older versions of libraries than I had on the phone. kinda ignored them. adding the repos to the phone, well.... |
| 14:33.27 | marcellus_ | I think I better respect the lines: "only do this if you know what you are doing". thanks for advice |
| 14:33.37 | Kleggas | marcellus_: np :) |
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| 14:49.10 | trograin | Hi all. Check out the new Meego app on n9-apps.com called Mobile Trade Network |
| 14:49.27 | trograin | it seems like cool app :) |
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| 15:11.20 | jesuschrist_ | hello |
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| 15:40.25 | jonni | trx: ext4 |
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| 15:50.43 | jesuschrist_ | sup jonni |
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| 16:44.33 | Lava_Croft | On the N900, one could set a gconf key to stop the device from looking for software updates (at all, or make it wait longer inbetween checking) |
| 16:44.40 | Lava_Croft | is this possible on the n9? |
| 16:44.43 | pa | does anyone remember the page that explained the firm |
| 16:44.52 | pa | firmware codes and what they are? |
| 16:44.57 | pa | like 001 002... etc |
| 16:45.25 | Lava_Croft | pa: you need a specific version? |
| 16:45.34 | Lava_Croft | since iirc, mostly you should just want/get 001 |
| 16:45.46 | pa | i have a phone with 006 |
| 16:45.49 | pa | and i dont know what it is |
| 16:47.52 | Lava_Croft | i think it might be MEA |
| 16:47.54 | Lava_Croft | middle east |
| 16:48.19 | Lava_Croft | navifirm says the firmware with '006 |
| 16:48.25 | Lava_Croft | ' is MEA |
| 16:56.55 | pa | i see.. |
| 16:57.11 | pa | what the next best think i can put on it? |
| 16:57.39 | pa | i mean, it's PR1.2 and i would like to leave PR1.2 for now+ |
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| 17:20.36 | ZogG_laptop | hi |
| 17:20.57 | rzr | is there a place for harmy in hildon f ? |
| 17:21.04 | rZr | bbl |
| 17:21.40 | ZogG_laptop | harmy? |
| 17:44.09 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: PR1.4 is out :P |
| 17:45.06 | valdur55 | ZogG_laptop, Really? |
| 17:46.05 | ZogG_laptop | nope |
| 17:46.14 | ZogG_laptop | i'm trying to lure him back here :P |
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| 17:47.44 | valdur55 | irw |
| 17:48.59 | ZogG_laptop | irw? |
| 17:49.03 | ZogG_laptop | !irw |
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| 18:11.42 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuC6q9kbryw&feature=player_embedded - amazing thing |
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| 22:45.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | pa: too bad but afaik you can't "downgrade" from 006 to 001 |
| 22:46.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | stupid flasher/aegis/whatever considers XXX-006 a 'newer' version of XXX-001 |
| 22:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 22:46.48 | ieatlint | that also sucked that you can't downgrade |
| 22:46.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could upgrade from PR1.1-006 to PR1.2-001 |
| 22:47.01 | ieatlint | i was never sure what that was supposed to do for you |
| 22:47.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | I elaborated on the purpose of this idiocy just 24h ago |
| 22:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't it in this chan? |
| 22:48.07 | ieatlint | might've been, i've been busy/away :P |
| 22:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | [Sonntag, 21. Oktober 2012] [02:28:20] <DocScrutinizer05> beford: actually they warned that downgrade is *not* possible, when they rolled out beta1.1 or whatever the name of first upgrade |
| 22:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | so only 22h ago |
| 22:49.12 | rzr | sounds like a challenge :) |
| 22:50.16 | ieatlint | haha, standard geek reaction... never tell a geek they can't do something |
| 22:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | this is pretty foolproof |
| 22:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to the whole security framework |
| 22:51.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | ...concept |
| 22:51.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even Nokians can downgrade |
| 22:52.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | except that one guru in R&D that manages that crap |
| 22:52.45 | ieatlint | yeah, it seems like having the dev certs on a device doesn't seem to actually give you more access to things |
| 22:52.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that guy probably got fired months ago |
| 22:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | having R&D cert allows you to really break aegis policies and get something similar to openmode - it does NOT allow to flash random arbitrary images |
| 22:54.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's what I gathered |
| 22:55.04 | ieatlint | yeah, but there's already the ability to get to openmode without the dev certs... it's just a more official way to do it, but the end result seems to be the same |
| 22:55.14 | tonyoy | hi, where did you got this R&D cert ? |
| 22:55.27 | ieatlint | you don't |
| 22:55.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody got that |
| 22:55.46 | ieatlint | only internal devices have it, no way to get one |
| 22:55.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia handed special N9* devices with those certs installed to some of their employees |
| 22:56.14 | rzr | i remember a rule : no system is hacker proof |
| 22:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | this rule is untrue, like all rules |
| 22:57.20 | rzr | how can u be sure that there is no way to workaround this system / |
| 22:57.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | the 'truth' is there's no such thing like "hacker proof" |
| 22:57.48 | tonyoy | ok, maybe when jolla'outing these kind of certs... |
| 22:57.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | there IS a way, it's just the question how much effort you need to put in |
| 22:58.20 | ieatlint | i don't know anything about jolla specifically, but the system will be different enough that the concept doesn't translate over to them |
| 22:58.21 | rzr | there should be several :_ |
| 22:59.12 | tonyoy | seem that major part of jolla's employees are ex-nokia/meego/n9 team |
| 23:00.42 | ieatlint | sure, but that doesn't mean that they're copying the security system over... or will have the same "lock it down" policies nokia had with harmattan |
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| 23:07.31 | tonyoy | your'right, they claim it will be more open |
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| 23:09.01 | tonyoy | what I was hoping is that to gain n9 community, some will leak new bridges |
| 23:09.08 | SpeedEvil | I like aegis. |
| 23:09.25 | SpeedEvil | not the way it's configures though |
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| 23:20.30 | pa | however, there should be the possibility to disable it, in case one wants.. |
| 23:21.25 | ieatlint | i think the argument is that in order to disable it, it must require the phone owner to explicitly understand what they're doing, in order to prevent any nefarious activity |
| 23:21.53 | ieatlint | and nokia just eliminated the idea entirely... perhaps in part to keep network operators happier |
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| 23:22.34 | pa | i would say that allowing to do it with some secret tool from command line would make 99% sure that the user knows what he/she is doing |
| 23:23.07 | ieatlint | as long as i don't write an app that runs said tool, right? |
| 23:23.54 | pa | well, technically when you run such tool password could be asked |
| 23:23.57 | pa | or something like that |
| 23:24.04 | pa | and a decent disclaimer could be printed |
| 23:24.31 | pa | anyway, does anybody know what firmware is 009 Europe (2) ? |
| 23:25.14 | pa | i have a middle east firmware on a phone i bought in US |
| 23:25.38 | pa | maybe i should just leave that |
| 23:29.12 | pa | hm interesting |
| 23:29.16 | pa | 006 is smaller than 001 |
| 23:29.30 | ieatlint | usually it's based on what maps are preinstalled |
| 23:29.43 | pa | but isnt that on the emmc? |
| 23:30.01 | ieatlint | oh, yes |
| 23:30.10 | pa | the main bin is like 200mb smaller |
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