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| 10:21.50 | unreal- | mmm, i'm having a problem with my n9 |
| 10:22.17 | unreal- | it's using around 25mA of power in idle mode |
| 10:23.57 | unreal- | so I did a comprehensive reset ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 ), and added just my nokia account, and installed just Battery Usage |
| 10:24.09 | unreal- | and it's still using arount 25mA :| |
| 10:24.19 | unreal- | around |
| 10:27.29 | deram | isn't that pretty much the standard consumption without the poversaver enabled or set in 2g only mode? |
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| 10:28.16 | unreal- | i don't believe so |
| 10:28.24 | unreal- | should be around 10 |
| 10:28.50 | unreal- | and, the phone doesn't even have a SIM card at the moment |
| 10:29.15 | deram | so it's constantly searching for wifi to get connected? |
| 10:29.24 | unreal- | wifi is connected |
| 10:31.09 | deram | hmm.. I have now 13mA with 3g only, wifi connected and screen brightness at minimun.. so it might be true that it should be around 10mA when nothing on |
| 10:32.20 | unreal- | i'm not sure what to try now |
| 10:33.02 | unreal- | is there some sort of "maintenance mode" to check the phone for defects? |
| 10:36.40 | deram | check with command "top" on terminal if there is some process running wild |
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| 11:10.47 | pa | unreal-, reflash |
| 11:10.50 | pa | i reflashed |
| 11:10.54 | pa | now it's 3mA |
| 11:11.25 | pa | before i had between 8-12 , after pr1.3 OTA upgrade |
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| 11:13.12 | unreal- | i have reflashed |
| 11:15.20 | unreal- | i'm starting to think i have a hw problem... |
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| 11:55.50 | pa | hm |
| 11:56.16 | pa | so right after reflashing with pr1.3 001, and installing nothing, you have this abnormal battery drainage? |
| 11:56.19 | pa | sounds weird, yes |
| 11:56.36 | pa | also in flight mode? |
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| 12:56.50 | unreal- | pa: exactly |
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| 12:57.10 | pa | unreal-, |
| 12:57.12 | pa | try something |
| 12:57.16 | unreal- | how does the n9 know the battery power usage? |
| 12:57.27 | pa | enable ssh connection |
| 12:57.42 | pa | then disable psm |
| 12:57.44 | pa | enable wifi |
| 12:57.51 | pa | and ssh to the n9 over wifi |
| 12:57.57 | pa | and then run top |
| 12:58.05 | unreal- | psm ? |
| 12:58.08 | pa | while the phone is in standby mode |
| 12:58.22 | pa | in my case i normally have only 2 processes running most of the time |
| 12:58.29 | pa | one is top itself |
| 12:58.40 | pa | and another one is something else that takes like 0.2%cpu |
| 12:58.49 | pa | if you have more, then you have the problem |
| 12:58.54 | pa | psm is power saving mode |
| 12:59.14 | pa | you have to disable if you want that the wifi is not turned down automatically for inactivity |
| 12:59.25 | pa | thus killing ur ssh connectuion |
| 13:00.29 | unreal- | phone rebooting |
| 13:05.25 | unreal- | no cpu usage |
| 13:05.53 | unreal- | CPU: 0.1% usr 0.9% sys 0.0% nic 98.8% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 0.0% sirq |
| 13:06.02 | unreal- | (with top using 1%) |
| 13:07.27 | unreal- | is it possible that my battery is dead, and somehow that's messing up the power usage stats? |
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| 13:21.22 | unreal- | is there any way to get realtime information about battery/power/etc via SSH ? |
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| 13:32.07 | kallela | unreal-: try 'bmestat' command for starters |
| 13:35.43 | unreal- | thanks! |
| 13:35.50 | kallela | :) |
| 13:37.37 | unreal- | when i run "Battery Usage", Device Idle > and I usually have 95+% "Other Hardware and Service"... what is that? |
| 13:43.06 | kallela | unreal-: I have "Processor Usage": 7% and "Other Hardware...": 93%. I guess it's energy consumpted by rest of the device, except CPU? |
| 13:44.37 | unreal- | any way of knowing exactly what is consuming ~20mA idle? |
| 13:47.11 | kallela | you mean which process? |
| 13:51.01 | unreal- | well, i don't know... my freshly flashed n9 is using 20-25mA of power when idle (according to bmestat)... and i really don't understand what's going on |
| 13:52.13 | unreal- | bmestat says the battery is good (battery last full cap: 1451), and top/Power Usage are not helping me finding what's going on |
| 13:53.26 | kallela | with (h)top tool you can try to monitor which processes use cpu |
| 13:53.37 | pa | when i run battery usage, i normally have mostly "device idle" |
| 13:55.13 | kallela | ok, I'm not an expert either on hunting down power-hungry processes |
| 13:55.33 | pa | kallela, it seems it+s in general a quite hard problem |
| 13:55.59 | pa | when i had this problem, it was mostly system services that were eating cpu |
| 13:56.08 | pa | no user installed stuff |
| 13:56.17 | kallela | right |
| 14:02.03 | unreal- | well, htop is not helping me... htop is the only process using cpu cycles |
| 14:04.48 | deram | if top does not see it, it is not software. |
| 14:08.11 | SpeedEvil | err, no |
| 14:08.32 | SpeedEvil | there are quite a number of things that do not affect top, but do battery |
| 14:08.54 | unreal- | like? |
| 14:13.39 | SpeedEvil | hardware left on, |
| 14:14.04 | SpeedEvil | things tunning on cores other than the main one |
| 14:14.28 | SpeedEvil | WiFi router not supporting power saving |
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| 20:00.25 | ZogG_laptop | beford: sup |
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| 20:24.52 | beford | hey ZogG_laptop |
| 20:24.55 | beford | how is it going |
| 20:28.56 | beford | ZogG_laptop: ZogG_laptop |
| 20:31.13 | ZogG_laptop | :P |
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| 21:46.21 | jesuschrist_ | hi |
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| 22:10.48 | ZogG_laptop | jesuschrist_: do you use drugs? |
| 22:11.13 | ZogG_laptop | did you use those while reincarnation? |
| 22:17.58 | jesuschrist_ | caffeine and nicotine |
| 22:18.00 | jesuschrist_ | nothing special |
| 22:18.11 | jesuschrist_ | :\ |
| 22:18.35 | jesuschrist_ | btw zogg do you know any way to do a full n9 backup ? |
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| 22:25.31 | ZogG_laptop | jesuschrist_: i might be wrong but there was thread on tmo i think about something like that |
| 22:25.41 | ZogG_laptop | but what excatly you want to bckup |
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| 22:45.54 | ZogG_laptop | jesuschrist_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82471 - as i understand you can do image of system with it |
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| 22:55.37 | jesuschrist_ | thanks zogg! |
| 22:55.40 | jesuschrist_ | did you try it ? |
| 22:55.59 | jesuschrist_ | i want to backup the whole phone |
| 22:56.05 | jesuschrist_ | WHOLE phone |
| 22:56.21 | jesuschrist_ | just to reflash it, no packages reinstalling and stuff like that |
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| 22:58.56 | louisdk | I've installed Inception on my N9. How do I get a real root shell? I can't use su. |
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| 23:14.13 | jonni | louisdk: well inception doesnt install you root shell, but you can get near if you install opensh. |
| 23:17.27 | louisdk | apt-get install opensh -> package not found |
| 23:19.16 | louisdk | jonni: I've installed dev mode. But I can't rename /usr/bin/smartsearch |
| 23:20.33 | arcean | louisdk, have you tried "ariadne" ? |
| 23:24.12 | louisdk | arcean: Yes. Stiil can't rename that file. |
| 23:25.01 | arcean | hmm, why do you want to rename the smartsearch file? |
| 23:27.52 | louisdk | I've heard that disabling the smartsearch feature would save some battery. |
| 23:29.13 | arcean | and will probably break some system functionalities :P |
| 23:29.38 | arcean | chmod -x /usr/bin/smartsearch is what people are using to disable smartsearch |
| 23:30.35 | louisdk | arcean: thx |
| 23:31.57 | louisdk | arcean: Would disabling dev mode improve the battery life? |
| 23:32.35 | arcean | no, I don't think so |
| 23:32.53 | arcean | but do you really want to live without terminal :D ? |
| 23:33.13 | jesuschrist_ | alas |
| 23:33.32 | jesuschrist_ | better way to improve battery is to not use connections and |
| 23:33.42 | jesuschrist_ | connection related functionalities |
| 23:33.49 | jesuschrist_ | :\ |
| 23:34.18 | jesuschrist_ | just with wife i got from a idle consumption of 5mA to 21mA |
| 23:34.23 | jesuschrist_ | s/wife/wifi |
| 23:35.09 | louisdk | arcean: I can still use the terminal with dev mode disabled: http://everythingn9.com/terminal-developer-mode-off/ :) |
| 23:35.17 | arcean | here's 6mA |
| 23:35.38 | arcean | with cellmo and wifi in idle :D |
| 23:35.58 | jesuschrist_ | meh |
| 23:36.04 | jesuschrist_ | maybe i have more bg daemons then |
| 23:36.06 | jesuschrist_ | dont know |
| 23:36.17 | jesuschrist_ | without wifi hows your idle consumption arcean |
| 23:36.49 | arcean | I have no idea, my devices are always connected to the home's wifi |
| 23:37.03 | louisdk | Well. I've an N950 and the battery life is very bad compired to the n9. |
| 23:37.25 | arcean | right now, the N950 has 9mA in idle |
| 23:37.35 | jesuschrist_ | arcean : just rechecked, 20mA with wifi |
| 23:37.50 | jesuschrist_ | :< |
| 23:38.14 | arcean | something eats your battery :P |
| 23:38.29 | jesuschrist_ | must be something that uses connection |
| 23:38.36 | jesuschrist_ | since when everything is off it goes to 5 |
| 23:39.59 | jesuschrist_ | any idea ? :p |
| 23:42.16 | arcean | maybe exchange account is going nuts :P |
| 23:42.58 | jesuschrist_ | no sync |
| 23:42.59 | jesuschrist_ | :p |
| 23:44.49 | jesuschrist_ | meh maybe my wifi router is dying and reception signal isnt so good |
| 23:44.50 | jesuschrist_ | dont know |
| 23:46.37 | arcean | sometimes reboot helps me when power consumption in idle rises |
| 23:47.39 | jesuschrist_ | nah its always like that |