| 00:00.27 | evil_core | Is there a list with harmattan components, when I can find if its open/patchable? |
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| 00:12.18 | evil_core | Mass Storage Memory |
| 00:12.19 | evil_core | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.31 | evil_core | ROM Memory |
| 00:12.32 | evil_core | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.35 | evil_core | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9/ |
| 00:13.14 | evil_core | It means that it has 512 FPROM for booloader/kernel and additional 64GB? |
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| 01:17.31 | rZr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam# working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev |
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| 10:46.29 | pa | not a news i guess |
| 10:46.36 | pa | but harmattan-dev seems to be up now |
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| 11:09.48 | khertan | pa, now the question is : for how much time ... |
| 11:12.17 | khertan | apps for meego request aren't review since a month |
| 11:12.19 | khertan | :( |
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| 11:16.12 | cos- | hi, does anyone know about apps.formeego.org status? |
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| 11:29.54 | rigo | khertan, do you also have problems to switch from Wifi to 3G and back? I have particularly problems with SFR |
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| 11:31.01 | rigo | khertan, as there is no big corp behind anymore, community has to organize. Unfortunately, I'm not a programmer. But would you review stuff (that is not your own)? |
| 11:47.45 | suosaaski | rigo: my n9 seems to have problems when switching between 3g and wifi (for example, from wifi to 3g it seems that facebook chat does not want to log in unless I open a web page with my browser...) |
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| 15:06.01 | Lava_Croft | suosaaski: I have that problem too, concerning switching connections and logging in to FB chat |
| 15:06.40 | Lava_Croft | I haven't found any solution yet, besides ditching FB chat like that altogether and just use Bitlbee |
| 15:07.23 | Lava_Croft | suosaaski: another way of getting it to login is to open the menu and do All Online and then All Offline |
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| 15:07.39 | Lava_Croft | (and then All Online again, heh) |
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| 15:21.41 | Khertan_n9 | rigo, i got many problem with sfr, they didn't implement completely the gsm protocol, example no date time sync |
| 15:22.30 | Khertan_n9 | and there is strange protocol error too that make my n950 losing network |
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| 15:23.06 | Khertan_n9 | i leave that sucky isp |
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| 15:23.49 | Khertan_n9 | now everything works like a charm with free |
| 15:27.29 | arcean | Khertan_n9: your n950 has cellmo firmware from PR 1.3? |
| 15:34.37 | Khertan_n9 | arcean that happen since beta 2 firmware, and i ve tried all, 1.3 included |
| 15:35.05 | arcean | do you remember what syslog says? |
| 15:48.35 | arcean | Khertan_n9: it might be the same issue as with N900, when cellmo-related 'thing' tries to separate from the motherboard |
| 15:49.00 | arcean | it often happens to devices that get dropped |
| 15:50.44 | Khertan_n9 | didn't remember well, but unknow modem error , simatk error, csd failed, |
| 15:51.01 | rigo | arcean: I would have to look that up |
| 15:51.12 | Khertan_n9 | same device works well with an other ISP |
| 15:51.41 | Khertan_n9 | and other n9 owner report same problem with that ISP |
| 15:51.43 | rigo | too, no prob on vodafone in roaming |
| 15:52.29 | arcean | to be honest I don't have any problems with n950 and cellmo |
| 15:52.39 | arcean | but then my n9 sometimes goes foobar |
| 15:52.53 | Khertan_n9 | didn't have any since i change ISP |
| 15:53.11 | rigo | is N9 and on certain cells 3G hangs and on others it works |
| 15:53.23 | trx | my n950 can't send sms, does anyone have any experience with that? |
| 15:53.31 | arcean | rigo: yeah that's what happens to me |
| 15:53.40 | trx | it can receive them tho |
| 15:54.00 | Khertan_n9 | but n9 reception is far better (i live in an area with poor coverage) |
| 15:54.32 | arcean | hmm |
| 15:54.38 | arcean | let me check |
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| 15:54.57 | arcean | n900/n950/n5: 5/4/4 |
| 15:55.08 | arcean | the same SIP |
| 15:55.13 | arcean | err ISP |
| 15:55.57 | Khertan_n9 | i thinks it s depends of the bands frequency used |
| 15:56.19 | arcean | Khertan_n9: when I'm in train my n9 is almost useless |
| 15:56.36 | Khertan_n9 | n900/n950/n9 : 1/0/3 |
| 15:56.38 | arcean | it keeps dropping signal for the whole time |
| 15:56.56 | Khertan_n9 | lol it's the opposite for me |
| 15:57.07 | Khertan_n9 | where did u live ? |
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| 15:57.19 | arcean | sometimes I think the cellmo firmware is screwed :) |
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| 15:57.29 | arcean | Khertan_n9: Wroclaw, Poland |
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| 15:59.35 | Khertan_n9 | Paris, France |
| 16:01.02 | Khertan_n9 | 3g in France is on 900 bands, while in Poland it's 2100 |
| 16:01.44 | Khertan_n9 | different antennas, different results ;) |
| 16:02.07 | arcean | might be :) |
| 16:02.24 | arcean | here 900MHz is used for GSM |
| 16:03.14 | Khertan_n9 | mostly 1800 here |
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| 17:16.12 | lpapp | rZr: going to FOSDEM next year? |
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| 18:19.20 | rZr | lpapp, donno yet |
| 18:19.23 | rZr | i wish yes |
| 18:19.43 | lpapp | rZr: I am thinking of proposing a talk to the mobile and embedded room |
| 18:19.47 | lpapp | but not sure out of which idea :) |
| 18:19.50 | lpapp | I have 4-5 ideas at least. |
| 18:20.14 | rZr | see the openmoko communities |
| 18:20.18 | rZr | they're active |
| 18:20.32 | rZr | well i can talk about harmattan but who cares ? |
| 18:20.55 | rZr | and off course sides projects you're all aware... |
| 18:21.27 | rZr | or maybe I can talk of other work related stuff ... have to talk w/ boss |
| 18:23.36 | lpapp | talk about cute women |
| 18:23.39 | lpapp | with nacked slides :D |
| 18:25.16 | lpapp | ok, I stop joking. |
| 18:25.23 | lpapp | I do not think it makes sense about Harmattan. |
| 18:25.26 | lpapp | to talk* |
| 18:25.33 | lpapp | but you could about Android stuff. |
| 18:25.38 | lpapp | or Tizen, whatever. |
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| 18:42.47 | Khertan_n9 | Nemo mobile, tizen is born dead |
| 18:44.05 | lpapp | and nemo mobile is not |
| 18:44.07 | lpapp | ahaha :D :D :D |
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| 18:53.25 | rubdos | lpapp, interesting, let me know if you do talk about something like that; I live in Belgium and coming to FOSDEM |
| 18:53.41 | rubdos | (With my N9 ;p probably loaded with sailfishos by then) |
| 18:53.46 | lpapp | rubdos: :) |
| 18:53.52 | lpapp | I have such random ideas like: |
| 18:54.07 | lpapp | 1) Why is opensource education important? |
| 18:54.16 | lpapp | 2) What is going on with BB around Qt/KDE |
| 18:54.26 | rubdos | BB? |
| 18:54.30 | lpapp | 3) Qt got into Automotive?? |
| 18:54.45 | lpapp | 4) Where are we now with KDE Mobile |
| 18:54.48 | lpapp | etc :) |
| 18:55.19 | lpapp | 5) Future of Qt3D |
| 18:55.28 | lpapp | rubdos: BB = Blackberry. |
| 18:56.15 | lpapp | 6) How to utilize the qt graphics power in industrial projects? |
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| 18:57.14 | rubdos | Sounds interesting |
| 18:57.49 | rubdos | What about BB, do they use an Qt OS? I only know Android and Harmattan ;p |
| 18:58.31 | lpapp | yes |
| 18:58.34 | lpapp | they use cascades |
| 18:59.14 | rubdos | howhowhow. Is the OS open? |
| 18:59.21 | lpapp | unfortunately not. |
| 18:59.27 | leinir | Not quite, they're using QNX under the hood |
| 18:59.29 | lpapp | they actually made QNX close. >_< |
| 18:59.49 | rubdos | :'( |
| 19:00.00 | rubdos | Well, I hope SailFish will be as open as possible... |
| 19:00.03 | lpapp | yeah, QNX is a very nice kernel. It is very sad for the QNX community. |
| 19:00.42 | lpapp | but that is apparently the best we can get as of now. |
| 19:01.01 | leinir | well, that's the funny thing - with the Qt project having a very big foot in the door in RIM now, the concept of the dual license is already starting to filter in :) |
| 19:01.43 | leinir | So... there is hope :) |
| 19:01.59 | rubdos | Great! :D |
| 19:02.48 | rubdos | btw, anyone knows how I can install g++ compiler on my N9 default Harmattan? Dev mode is enabled and I'm a linux/debian/ubuntu/arch/fedora/... guru ;) |
| 19:03.02 | rubdos | (suse,...) |
| 19:03.04 | lpapp | we can always fork the last qnx version, too. :p |
| 19:03.12 | leinir | *cough* a guru would not ask that question ;) |
| 19:03.23 | rubdos | I'm not an Harmattan guru :D |
| 19:03.46 | rubdos | I'm on PR1.3 and there's something going wrong when I apt-get install g++-... |
| 19:04.06 | lpapp | what is wrong? |
| 19:04.11 | lpapp | what do you get? |
| 19:04.18 | rubdos | Let me test ... |
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| 19:06.21 | lpapp | rubdos: where do you live in Belgium? Leuven is quite a nice place. |
| 19:07.06 | rubdos | lpapp, Hemiksem, south of Antwerp |
| 19:07.31 | rubdos | My phone 's in Dutch, shall I translate? |
| 19:07.42 | rubdos | apt-get install g++-4.4 |
| 19:08.04 | lpapp | it is ok, people can drop it into google translator. :) |
| 19:08.55 | rubdos | Sommige pakketten konden niet geinstalleerd worden. Dit kan beteken dat u een onmogelijke situatie gevraagd hebt of dat u de 'unstable'distributie gebruik en sommige benodigde pakketten nog vastzitten in 'incoming'. |
| 19:09.03 | rubdos | De volgende informatie help u mogelijk verder: |
| 19:09.12 | rubdos | De volgende pakketten hebben niet-voldane vereisten: |
| 19:09.39 | rZr | arcean, hi |
| 19:09.42 | lpapp | and then the important part? |
| 19:09.46 | rubdos | g++-4.4: Vereisten: libstdc++6-4.4-dev (= 4.4.1-0maemo14+0m6) maar het zal niet geinstalleerd worden |
| 19:09.58 | rZr | arcean, I built that cam app , but i have some fixes to be done , wanna help ? |
| 19:10.17 | rubdos | I think libstdc++6-4.4-dev isn't in harmattan repos? I'll apt-cache search, have a sec |
| 19:10.56 | rubdos | ow, it IS in the repos |
| 19:11.23 | lpapp | have you tried to install that separately? |
| 19:11.38 | rubdos | jep, it requires libc6-dev |
| 19:11.47 | rubdos | I'll try that one too |
| 19:12.17 | rubdos | okay, got it: |
| 19:13.04 | rubdos | requires libc6 (= 2.10-0maemo18.1+0m6) but 2.10-0maemo20+0m7 zal geinstalleerd worden |
| 19:13.29 | rubdos | so, the needed version should be lower... Do I've got too much repositories activated? ;) |
| 19:13.46 | lpapp | that is weird. |
| 19:13.54 | lpapp | what is in the Harmattan repository? |
| 19:14.37 | rubdos | How shall I check? :p |
| 19:14.54 | rubdos | cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* gives |
| 19:15.44 | rubdos | default nokia.com/harmattan, apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps/, meego.com/...MEeGo_1.2_Harmattan..., harmattan-dev.nokia.com, people.debian.org/...harmattan for syncml |
| 19:16.26 | lpapp | unfortunately I need to leave now. |
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| 19:16.30 | lpapp | but perhaps rzr can help? |
| 19:16.52 | rubdos | lpapp, okay, thanks. Cy another time! |
| 19:18.28 | rubdos | rzr, could you help? I'm trying to install g++ on my N9 Harmattan |
| 19:20.04 | rZr | hurry i wont stay long |
| 19:20.13 | rZr | let me suggest to search on tmo |
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| 19:22.34 | rubdos | rZr, then I'l let you go, it's not urgent in any way :) |
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| 19:47.19 | arcean | rZr: right now I'm trying to build and package the camplus in QtCreator |
| 19:48.31 | rZr | arcean, I forked it |
| 19:48.41 | rZr | arcean, It builts on obs |
| 19:48.51 | arcean | oh, then wow :) |
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| 19:54.14 | rZr | arcean, http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam# working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev |
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| 19:55.18 | arcean | rZr: in my free time I'll add support for N950 (12 and 9 MPix) |
| 19:56.31 | rZr | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/cameraplus-rzr |
| 19:56.47 | rZr | may you merge my patches |
| 19:56.58 | arcean | is it me or the actual package is empty? :D |
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| 20:19.23 | rZr | arcean, it's empty now |
| 20:19.36 | rZr | buit it built |
| 20:20.08 | arcean | ok, I have it almost working under scratchbox |
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| 20:20.18 | rZr | you can fork me and merge that http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86649 |
| 20:20.25 | rZr | then i will merge |
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| 20:22.01 | arcean | ok |
| 20:22.33 | chfvc | slm |
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| 21:47.41 | evil_core | arcean: so n9 got some problems with polish operators? |
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| 21:57.43 | djszapi_ | faenil: hey there |
| 21:57.54 | djszapi_ | you were asking me about the qt5 stuff on harmattan at the wrong time. |
| 21:58.01 | djszapi_ | so try again. |
| 21:58.33 | faenil | djszapi_, just wanted to know the status of harmattan components port to Qt5 |
| 21:58.43 | faenil | I mean, components which fully use QtQuick2.0 |
| 21:58.51 | faenil | not just like Qt4 compatible with Qt5 :) |
| 22:00.43 | djszapi_ | what do you mean by Qt4 compatible with Qt5? |
| 22:01.10 | djszapi_ | what else would it use if not QtQuick2.0? LOLZ |
| 22:01.45 | rZr | arcean, install is better now |
| 22:01.50 | rZr | arcean, will commit it |
| 22:01.51 | faenil | djszapi_, I'm just talking bullshit as I'm not into Qt5 yet ;) |
| 22:02.04 | faenil | maybe you can still use QtQuick 1.1 and make it run on Qt5 |
| 22:02.06 | faenil | I don't know |
| 22:02.21 | djszapi_ | faenil: yes, but then what is the point? |
| 22:02.27 | djszapi_ | the whole advantage is qtquick2 :) |
| 22:02.37 | djszapi_ | and yes, my port works with qtquick2 |
| 22:02.42 | djszapi_ | there are some quirks here and there though. |
| 22:03.03 | rZr | arcean, humm near near near https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=cameraplus&project=home%3Arzr&repository=home_rzr_harmattan_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 22:03.31 | faenil | djszapi_, alright, so can you elaborate more on that? :) |
| 22:03.45 | djszapi_ | faenil: on what exactly? |
| 22:04.04 | faenil | djszapi_, like what's missing/ is anyone already working on it/ is there any timeline / organization |
| 22:04.07 | faenil | that kind of info :) |
| 22:04.22 | djszapi_ | orientation working is missing |
| 22:04.29 | djszapi_ | some input management issue |
| 22:04.39 | djszapi_ | no one is working on it as far as I can tell. |
| 22:04.50 | djszapi_ | obviously no timeline and organization correspondingly. |
| 22:04.51 | djszapi_ | why? |
| 22:05.19 | djszapi_ | I have made a bunch of patches. |
| 22:05.29 | djszapi_ | but the qt guys did not appreciate my work |
| 22:05.32 | djszapi_ | and no one helped in the harmattan community |
| 22:05.35 | djszapi_ | so I gave up. |
| 22:05.36 | faenil | djszapi_, I am interested in using them for Nemomobile :) |
| 22:05.57 | djszapi_ | well, I do not care about nemo mobile. |
| 22:06.46 | faenil | djszapi_, I know, but you know, people work on the same target for different purposes mate ;) |
| 22:06.54 | faenil | that's how things work :) |
| 22:07.02 | djszapi_ | not quite. |
| 22:07.09 | djszapi_ | I worked on this one alone, and exclusively for Harmattan. |
| 22:07.20 | djszapi_ | it might eat babies for Nemo. |
| 22:07.20 | faenil | djszapi_, so you're not willing to share the work? |
| 22:07.37 | faenil | Nemo needs no changes afaik |
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| 22:08.25 | djszapi_ | all the changes were shared after the fork right in the first second. |
| 22:09.03 | piggz | rZr: what is cameraplus like? |
| 22:09.05 | rZr | arcean, i am gone , see you tom' |
| 22:09.12 | rZr | piggz, untested so far |
| 22:09.17 | faenil | djszapi_, where can I see them? |
| 22:09.26 | rZr | piggz, it should rebuild soon wanna have a look at it ? |
| 22:09.34 | djszapi_ | faenil: you did not try to use google, right? :) |
| 22:09.56 | piggz | rZr: yeah, just wondered what features it has? |
| 22:10.06 | djszapi_ | http://qt.gitorious.org/+harmattan/qt-components/harmattan-qt-components |
| 22:10.09 | faenil | I actually did and found your discussion about componetns |
| 22:10.44 | rZr | piggz, just pushed my current works , http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam# working on packaging an alt camera app : CameraPlus for #n9 #n950club wanna test @detkodave @AllBoutN9 #HarmattanDev |
| 22:10.48 | rZr | i am going now |
| 22:10.51 | rZr | have fun |
| 22:11.04 | faenil | djszapi_, also, there is already work from w00t too on that side...so, I mean, why not joining patches...that's better for everyone |
| 22:11.34 | rZr | piggz, https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/cameraplus-rzr |
| 22:11.53 | djszapi_ | faenil: WHO CARES ABOUT NEMO? |
| 22:12.10 | djszapi_ | I wanted to get things right for Harmattan. I do not care about Nemo. |
| 22:13.10 | faenil | djszapi_, what's wrong with you? it's the same damn components, you don't want to accept help? |
| 22:13.13 | faenil | ok do it alone. |
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| 22:13.44 | rZr | djszapi_, i do care of nemo too |
| 22:13.56 | faenil | why do people always end up arguing with you? come on man! I'm trying to make two teams join their effort on the same piece of code! |
| 22:14.07 | faenil | everyone benefits! |
| 22:14.29 | faenil | good luck with harmattan. |
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| 22:15.02 | rZr | arcean, no need to fork mine we're in the same harmattan team |
| 22:15.10 | rZr | arcean, should be able to commit in my tree |
| 22:15.26 | djszapi_ | rZr: and show me how much work you have put into the harmattan components? |
| 22:16.19 | rZr | not today i am gone now |
| 22:16.20 | rZr | later |
| 22:19.15 | arcean | rZr, ok and good night :) |
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| 22:25.33 | Khertan_n9 | djszapi_, show us how bad decision and ugly bug you implement in harmattan components ... |
| 22:29.10 | djszapi_ | that is the type of post why I would not help the community further. |
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| 22:34.00 | khertan | djszapi_, that the type of post : "djszapi_> faenil: WHO CARES ABOUT NEMO?" which didn't help the community |
| 22:34.25 | khertan | djszapi_, anyway does the community really need your help ? personnaly i doubt |
| 22:34.57 | djszapi_ | khertan: please go and cry in #nemo about nemo. |
| 22:35.08 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | djszapi_ | please let me deal with harmattan in the channel called #harmattan. |
| 22:35.10 | khertan | shit |
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| 22:36.19 | djszapi_ | I have not gone to #nemomobile to troll about how much nemo rocks in every minute as faenil is doing. |
| 22:36.31 | djszapi_ | especially when I said politely several times, it is out of my interest, I am sorry for that. |
| 22:36.42 | djszapi_ | how much harmattan rocks* |
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| 22:39.42 | piggz | djszapi_: so, you are also not in ##wewantsailfish ;) |
| 22:39.55 | piggz | rZr: repo added, just need updated pkg |
| 22:40.11 | djszapi_ | piggz: yeah, I am an evil talking and helping the harmattan project in the channel called #harmattan :D |
| 22:41.10 | piggz | brb, kde4.10 installed.... |
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| 23:14.06 | evil_core | djszapi_: but Harmattan is dead |
| 23:14.58 | djszapi_ | evil_core: no, it is not. |
| 23:15.08 | djszapi_ | it is going to be dead when nobody is dealing with it. |
| 23:15.23 | djszapi_ | which does not seem to be the case yet by any means... |
| 23:15.36 | evil_core | btw can I get somewhere list for which harmattan soft source is provided? |
| 23:16.15 | djszapi_ | it is actually on the wiki |
| 23:16.27 | djszapi_ | have you made a short google query? :) |
| 23:16.52 | evil_core | djszapi_: I was goolging yesterday and mainly found official SDK trough it w/o answet |
| 23:18.29 | evil_core | and which wiki? |
| 23:18.43 | evil_core | meego? |
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| 23:20.38 | evil_core | wayland FTW, you cannot use Harmattan and Wayland, only old X11 proto |
| 23:21.32 | djszapi_ | so? |
| 23:21.36 | djszapi_ | what is your suggestion? |
| 23:21.43 | djszapi_ | or just complaining? |
| 23:22.58 | djszapi_ | also, I found the sources in the channel with a few seconds: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources-pr1.3/ |
| 23:23.05 | djszapi_ | by typing 1.3 source. |
| 23:24.10 | djszapi_ | channel log* |
| 23:24.24 | djszapi_ | the channel log url is in the /topic for future reference |
| 23:25.05 | evil_core | but I wanted a table with apps and IM plugins(skype, facebook), I never used n9 yet |
| 23:26.24 | evil_core | and I wanted to tell that Harmattan is X11 dependant and cannot move forward |
| 23:26.35 | djszapi_ | yes, we know, so? |
| 23:26.45 | djszapi_ | you would like to discourage people who use it? |
| 23:26.51 | djszapi_ | or what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 23:27.16 | djszapi_ | you are frustrated and you wanted to let the frustration out? |
| 23:27.48 | evil_core | I am not frustrated, but it would be better to got phone that uses wayland instead of Xorg |
| 23:28.06 | djszapi_ | big wonder Harmattan does not work with wayland when Harmattan is a way older project than wayland got any usable... |
| 23:28.07 | evil_core | because of practical, not ideological reasons |
| 23:28.37 | djszapi_ | I have never heard any phone users complaining about a phone because of wayland... :) |
| 23:28.39 | evil_core | I know that, I am following wayland from beginning |
| 23:28.56 | evil_core | because users don't care about that |
| 23:29.02 | djszapi_ | so you are the first, so guess how popular this request is. :D |
| 23:29.24 | evil_core | Nokia devs wanted to switch over wayland |
| 23:29.54 | evil_core | and participated into wayland, but especially in porting Qt4 and Qt5 to wayland |
| 23:30.34 | djszapi_ | Harmattan was way late when wayland got any mature. |
| 23:30.48 | djszapi_ | we had at no point any plan to switch to wayland. |
| 23:31.11 | evil_core | so it means, it wouldnt be better to upgrade to wayland? |
| 23:31.31 | djszapi_ | yes, exactly. |
| 23:31.43 | evil_core | djszapi_: and whom you are you say "we had no point", were you Harmattan dev? |
| 23:32.02 | djszapi_ | yes, for a long time. |
| 23:32.21 | evil_core | but Symbian was before Wayland, mabe we should stick to it |
| 23:32.31 | evil_core | it means you worked for Nokia? |
| 23:32.40 | evil_core | mean* |
| 23:32.51 | djszapi_ | sorry, it is my private sphere. |
| 23:34.13 | evil_core | I guess that not, and you don't like OSS idea at all, and you are hardcore Windows user |
| 23:35.02 | evil_core | the correct question should be "why not", not "why" now, when we know that wayland is way better than X11, especially for embedded |
| 23:35.18 | djszapi_ | WHO CARES? |
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| 23:35.28 | djszapi_ | there was no any business use case for wayland. |
| 23:35.34 | djszapi_ | and you sell the devices for end users. |
| 23:35.41 | evil_core | there was, better performance/battery life |
| 23:35.48 | djszapi_ | business is way above technology. |
| 23:36.00 | evil_core | right, it would be risky to sell not-mature, possibly unstable product |
| 23:36.14 | djszapi_ | boils out of this flame |
| 23:36.26 | evil_core | but we are on that channel not because we want sell something, bjut improve |
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| 23:37.25 | evil_core | Nemo Mobile is upgraded/better Harmattan, it sticks to original nokia ideas |
| 23:38.45 | evil_core | Nokia wanted new technologies, like Qt4, Wayland, etc, but commercial products got another priorities than hackery |
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| 23:51.13 | Guest61899 | "above technology", you need to define in what sense when you say something like that |
| 23:56.01 | Guest61899 | if he meant "more influential" or "harder", I'd argue that technology takes both of those :) |
| 23:58.40 | Guest61899 | if he meant the short-term profits of a single company, then sure, you need to prioritize use cases that you can sell to the market right away with the least effort |