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| 00:11.39 | evil_core | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80019 |
| 00:11.41 | evil_core | fixed it |
| 00:12.44 | evil_core | anyway I was in parents home and I was sitting next to machine which acts as wifi-router, and while accessing n9 trough ssh it was as laggy, that VKB is 10 times quicker to use |
| 00:12.51 | evil_core | what could cause that? |
| 00:13.08 | evil_core | its the only time I connected trough ssh to mine N9 |
| 00:13.30 | SpeedEvil | powersavimg WiFi malfunctioning |
| 00:16.35 | evil_core | its linux with atheros open driver, not madwifi, but those next |
| 00:17.00 | evil_core | not sure if it could be hostapd or driver related |
| 00:22.59 | evil_core | cp --copy-contents -R ~/.q3a/baseq3/ /media/Nokia\ N9/Downloads/apps/games/ |
| 00:23.00 | evil_core | cp: cannot create symbolic link ‘/media/Nokia N9/Downloads/apps/games/baseq3/Quake III’: Operation not permitted |
| 00:23.31 | evil_core | --copy-contents isn't enough? |
| 00:54.02 | njsf1 | should be |
| 00:54.16 | njsf1 | but, you're using busybox not coreutils right ? |
| 00:55.04 | njsf1 | if so cp -R -P is probably better |
| 00:57.12 | njsf1 | or even cp -R -d |
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| 01:07.49 | HtheB | anyone alive over here? |
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| 01:08.28 | unifly | hi |
| 01:09.38 | evil_core | cp -R -L |
| 01:09.49 | evil_core | it was host machine, to nokia n9 |
| 01:09.53 | evil_core | bash |
| 01:10.32 | evil_core | btw, fo you remember which Tweak(N9QT?) did terminal system keys black? |
| 01:11.07 | evil_core | I cannot find it and now when I set translucent VKB, those keys stays black |
| 01:12.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | cp: cannot create symbolic link means the target fs doesn't support symlinks I guess |
| 01:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is historically the case for VFAT |
| 01:12.36 | evil_core | right, I didn't wanted symlinks, but to copy contents |
| 01:12.51 | evil_core | and -L helped |
| 01:13.14 | evil_core | on host I have symlinks to ext4 w/o journal shared with windows |
| 01:14.28 | HtheB | does anybody has any experience with flashing Nemo on the N9/N950 ? |
| 01:14.54 | HtheB | I try to flash a dualboot, but it gives me this warning message: |
| 01:14.55 | HtheB | WARNING: bad moslo format in usr/share/moslo/moslo.img Picked ape-algo from a FIASCO file |
| 01:15.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's about MOSLO, nemo is not relevant for this problem I'd guess |
| 01:15.40 | evil_core | I never did it, but maybe use -a original_firmware |
| 01:16.08 | HtheB | well, its a modified moslo file for dual booting |
| 01:16.14 | HtheB | accourding to the wiki page |
| 01:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it's stslkeeps to ask |
| 01:16.32 | HtheB | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Dual-boot_method |
| 01:16.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka Carsten Munk |
| 01:17.02 | HtheB | i know him :p |
| 01:17.11 | HtheB | but I think he's asleep at this time |
| 01:18.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | try aard, lbt, sage, iekku, marquiz |
| 01:20.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw it's a warning, no error |
| 01:21.24 | HtheB | yes, but as far as what I understood is |
| 01:21.35 | HtheB | that it wont take the moslo.img as the file? |
| 01:21.56 | HtheB | meh, just going to flash and see what happens |
| 01:21.58 | evil_core | diablo is older than freemantle, right? |
| 01:22.08 | HtheB | maemo 4 = diable |
| 01:22.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | right |
| 01:22.10 | HtheB | diablo |
| 01:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's fremantle |
| 01:23.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not freemantle |
| 01:23.14 | HtheB | haarmattan :P |
| 01:23.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | haarmatte? |
| 01:24.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | also hear harmattan |
| 01:24.17 | HtheB | no way? |
| 01:24.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | or marhattan |
| 01:24.45 | HtheB | manhattan |
| 01:26.11 | evil_core | is there any karaoke app I could run on n9? |
| 01:27.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | what is a karaoke app doing? |
| 01:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, it probably can't do speech2text from the song |
| 01:28.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there anything like a genuine karaoke-media-file format? |
| 01:28.50 | evil_core | reading cd+g(mp3+g, ogg+g) files or classical midi+lyrics files and playing/synthesizing them |
| 01:28.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | mp3k |
| 01:28.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 01:29.24 | HtheB | oh man |
| 01:29.26 | HtheB | next error |
| 01:29.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems difficult to sync lyrics text with generic mp3 |
| 01:29.38 | HtheB | seems like it worked, dualbooting |
| 01:29.47 | evil_core | their nbot generic mp3's |
| 01:29.50 | HtheB | but the device couldn't make partitions |
| 01:29.53 | evil_core | tey don't have voice |
| 01:30.04 | evil_core | SunFly Karaoke and other ocmpanies sells them |
| 01:30.04 | HtheB | ERR: Re-partitioning failed! No partition created. |
| 01:30.11 | HtheB | need to telnet it -_- |
| 01:30.27 | evil_core | and older midi with embeded lyrics TiMidity can play |
| 01:30.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | evil_core: so I'd guess they also embedd the lyrics in those files |
| 01:30.38 | evil_core | not, graphics |
| 01:30.50 | evil_core | its very old format, CDG |
| 01:30.58 | evil_core | Compact Disc Graphics |
| 01:30.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, sorry |
| 01:31.06 | evil_core | you never were in Karaoke club? |
| 01:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | no :-D |
| 01:31.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | i heard they are very popular in Japan |
| 01:31.37 | evil_core | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pykaraoke/ |
| 01:31.49 | evil_core | I am from Poland, but I love Music and Karaoke |
| 01:32.17 | evil_core | the worst thing is that N9 got only 64GB non-expandable memory :/ |
| 01:32.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd bet a considerable amount of money that you can't find any karaoke club in my town here in Germany, with just one hour of searching |
| 01:33.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | duh, 15s |
| 01:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | www.bartime.de/locations.karaoke-bar-nuernberg.22.1.84.html |
| 01:34.06 | HtheB | xD |
| 01:34.11 | HtheB | bar time lol |
| 01:35.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | Letzte Aktualisierung: 28.09.2009 LOL |
| 01:37.11 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: i can't even telnet the device -_- |
| 01:37.21 | HtheB | all the others are dead I suppose |
| 01:37.23 | HtheB | haha |
| 01:49.54 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05, got no experience with this? |
| 01:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nada |
| 01:50.10 | HtheB | hmm :/ |
| 01:50.22 | HtheB | I just dont know why the device doesnt make partitions :? |
| 01:50.34 | HtheB | it also tells me that I can telnet it, but I cant -_- |
| 01:51.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | telnet? who's using telnet nowadays? try ssh |
| 01:52.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, that's bootloader you're talking about? |
| 01:55.34 | HtheB | yes |
| 01:55.35 | HtheB | :( |
| 01:55.47 | HtheB | I'm on the bootloader now |
| 01:55.49 | HtheB | with the green text |
| 01:56.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | never tested that |
| 01:56.03 | HtheB | telling me that it couldn't repartition |
| 01:56.22 | HtheB | glad that I still can boot into harmattan though |
| 01:56.22 | evil_core | http://maemo.org/packages/view/adblock-plus-1.0/ |
| 01:56.27 | evil_core | will it work on n9? |
| 01:56.31 | HtheB | evil_core: no |
| 01:57.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | afaik there are no packages for HARM on maemo.org |
| 01:57.22 | evil_core | flash can only be used under Firefox, or some symlinks can be made like under linux? |
| 01:58.03 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: darn it... I just noticed that I can't even boot to Harmattan |
| 01:58.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ouch |
| 01:58.59 | HtheB | why do I always do those things at THIS time |
| 01:59.05 | HtheB | where everybody sleeps |
| 02:02.20 | HtheB | DocScrutinizer05: ive got this error when I want to reflash: |
| 02:02.20 | HtheB | Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted |
| 02:03.29 | HtheB | meh, sudo |
| 02:03.39 | HtheB | captain obvious.... |
| 02:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | there are tasks you should start with typing `sudo su -` |
| 02:08.17 | HtheB | fml |
| 02:08.36 | HtheB | i just cant boot into harmattan... :D |
| 02:08.45 | HtheB | restored moslo though |
| 02:08.49 | HtheB | but... still no luck |
| 02:08.59 | HtheB | it goes untill the Nokia flashing |
| 02:09.00 | HtheB | oh |
| 02:09.01 | HtheB | :O |
| 02:09.07 | HtheB | and now it works!? |
| 02:09.23 | HtheB | ok... glad i've got it working now (booted into harmattan) |
| 02:09.34 | HtheB | ill do this stuff tomorrow then |
| 02:09.41 | HtheB | im sure why this error accours |
| 02:09.50 | HtheB | The firmware is different i guess |
| 02:09.56 | HtheB | (leaked 1.3) |
| 02:10.22 | HtheB | goes to sleep now |
| 02:10.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a council member I probably should be more interested in all that stuff around HARM, but meh... |
| 02:11.26 | HtheB | well... |
| 02:11.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's really giving me nausea |
| 02:11.38 | HtheB | I'm actually interested in jolla |
| 02:11.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 02:11.52 | HtheB | which led me to look into mer :) |
| 02:12.01 | HtheB | thats why I want to join this project |
| 02:12.21 | HtheB | but the develish n950 stops me from joining it |
| 02:13.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | since I wrapped my head around what it basically means when you're not allowed to downgrade to older OS versions, I stopped upgrading and basically lost interest |
| 02:13.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | in HARM |
| 02:13.48 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 02:13.57 | HtheB | well, im stuck in 1.3 |
| 02:13.57 | HtheB | :P |
| 02:14.17 | HtheB | n900 ftw |
| 02:14.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | they sacrificed unbrickability for that insane aegis/security crap |
| 02:14.47 | HtheB | any particulair reason why they did that? |
| 02:14.51 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 02:15.25 | SpeedEvil | because the product design was for a range to sell in the tens of millions |
| 02:15.26 | HtheB | well, itsnotabigtruck ftw |
| 02:15.40 | SpeedEvil | maybe hundreds |
| 02:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: that's no justification |
| 02:16.00 | SpeedEvil | so, some sort of enhanced permission model seemed reasonable. |
| 02:16.24 | SpeedEvil | the way they achieved it wasn't optimal. |
| 02:16.34 | SpeedEvil | far from it. |
| 02:16.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | NOT to disallow downgrade, which means no way to roll back to a working OS version when you got screwed |
| 02:17.04 | SpeedEvil | that's a questionable decision, yes |
| 02:17.22 | HtheB | SpeedEvil: i almost got f-ed |
| 02:17.25 | HtheB | just a couple minutes ago |
| 02:17.46 | HtheB | because of that reason |
| 02:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | "fsck you devels. Sorry but you'll need to buy a separate device for each OS version you want to test your app against" |
| 02:18.06 | SpeedEvil | I can see why they did it, and the rationale. |
| 02:18.32 | SpeedEvil | that doesn't mean I agree with the way they implemented it |
| 02:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | "what? you can't buy N950? too bad" |
| 02:18.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | insane |
| 02:19.05 | SpeedEvil | some sort of free key release for all registered devs, for example |
| 02:19.06 | HtheB | is there really no way to roll back? |
| 02:19.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure there is: send it in to Nokia care |
| 02:19.29 | HtheB | how do they do it then? |
| 02:19.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | they got the certs to flash whatever they like |
| 02:19.33 | HtheB | im sure if they can, we can too |
| 02:19.37 | HtheB | ah... |
| 02:19.43 | HtheB | in other words |
| 02:19.49 | HtheB | we need those certs.... |
| 02:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | good luck |
| 02:19.58 | HtheB | :D |
| 02:20.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | I heard they sit under that microsoft drone's pillow |
| 02:20.24 | HtheB | why didnt any of the fired nokia members took the certs :( |
| 02:20.31 | HtheB | and "leaked" them :( |
| 02:21.26 | SpeedEvil | NDA |
| 02:21.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | not even normal nokians have any access to those certs |
| 02:21.38 | SpeedEvil | and worries about future employment |
| 02:22.02 | HtheB | SpeedEvil: no one can tell who leaked them really |
| 02:22.04 | HtheB | so.... |
| 02:22.33 | HtheB | just like the pr1.3 for n950 |
| 02:22.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | very privileged employees may send their binaries to a signing-server to get then signed with the cert, and watersigned/stamped with their user name |
| 02:22.47 | HtheB | fail |
| 02:22.52 | SpeedEvil | and probably those have all been fired |
| 02:23.30 | SpeedEvil | and the key server shut down |
| 02:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably in whole Nokia only 3 persons have access to the root cert itself |
| 02:23.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | one admin, his boss, and elop |
| 02:24.14 | HtheB | admin must die |
| 02:24.19 | HtheB | so is boss |
| 02:24.20 | HtheB | and elop |
| 02:24.21 | HtheB | :P |
| 02:24.25 | HtheB | :( |
| 02:24.33 | HtheB | we were so peacefull a couple years back :/ |
| 02:24.37 | HtheB | N900..... |
| 02:24.44 | HtheB | wish we could upgrade this beast.... |
| 02:25.13 | SpeedEvil | in principle, you can swap the CPU for a 720MHz speed grade |
| 02:25.24 | SpeedEvil | doing that would be silly though |
| 02:25.26 | HtheB | i already OC it |
| 02:25.34 | HtheB | 900mhz works just fine |
| 02:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | :x |
| 02:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever said it wouldn't work |
| 02:26.16 | SpeedEvil | wonders about broken 64g n9s. |
| 02:26.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | it just is way too much grinding your CPU |
| 02:26.46 | HtheB | never had any problems untill now since 2009 |
| 02:26.53 | HtheB | what about them SpeedEvil ? |
| 02:27.22 | HtheB | they probably are getting crushed into lumias.... :P |
| 02:27.44 | SpeedEvil | desoldering the flash chip, and putting in Nexus n7 |
| 02:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | huh? |
| 02:28.07 | HtheB | i was once thinking of soldering the emmc |
| 02:28.12 | HtheB | to the N950 |
| 02:28.18 | HtheB | with its limited capacity :( |
| 02:28.36 | HtheB | didnt had time for it though |
| 02:30.09 | evil_core | overclocking N9 is dangerous or not? |
| 02:31.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | overclocking never is "dangerous" unless you do it on your ABS on your car, or your autopilot in your airplane |
| 02:31.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | overclocking however will significantly reduce livespan of OMAP SoC |
| 02:32.40 | SpeedEvil | may |
| 02:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | will |
| 02:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | definitely |
| 02:33.02 | SpeedEvil | will reduce its warrantied life. |
| 02:33.02 | evil_core | I don't want to overvoltage it radically |
| 02:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's a conclusive coherent cahin of cause and effect |
| 02:33.25 | evil_core | for me overclocking desktops were always relatively safe |
| 02:33.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | chain* |
| 02:33.59 | evil_core | there will be no PR1.4, right? |
| 02:34.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | desktop CPUs are completely different to those embedded critters |
| 02:34.45 | evil_core | but checking to so how much I can, to run it for a few hours is dangerous? |
| 02:34.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | for desktop CPUs the problem is heat when overclocking, and actually it stops "working" since some calculation fails since done "too fast" |
| 02:35.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you hardly will ever find a x86 CPU you could overclock by factor 2. OMAP you can, in principle |
| 02:35.33 | evil_core | because some data corrupts, not because too fast ;-) |
| 02:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | for OMAP it's a question of where electromigration starts |
| 02:36.16 | evil_core | so its better to not even install that app if I love my 64gb N9? |
| 02:37.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | for 3430 it's defined by TI that chip lives 100000 hours on every clock up to 500MHz, and 15000 hours at 600MHz |
| 02:37.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | so 500->600 reduces lifespan by factor 8 |
| 02:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 600->700 probably by another factor 20 on top of that |
| 02:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | 700->800 == factor 8 * 20 * 50 maybe |
| 02:38.54 | evil_core | sounds strange to me |
| 02:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's a pretty normal exponential curve |
| 02:39.18 | evil_core | with every ARM its like that? |
| 02:40.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | the chip design is fundamentally different to those for desktop CPU |
| 02:40.32 | evil_core | installing FM antenna could be dangerous? |
| 02:40.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? |
| 02:40.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't install any FM antenna |
| 02:41.26 | evil_core | DocScrutinizer05: why? I heard N9 got FM transmitter, but antenna is not soldered inside |
| 02:41.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's FM-RX 'antenna' circuitry to use wired headphone |
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| 02:42.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably N9 even the chip doesn't have FMTX |
| 02:42.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | N950 it has, but the pin isn't routed to anything you could solder on |
| 02:43.17 | evil_core | DocScrutinizer05: are you sure? SO many peoples wrote that N9 got FMTx |
| 02:43.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | how many of those got it working? |
| 02:44.10 | evil_core | nobody |
| 02:44.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | QED |
| 02:44.27 | evil_core | and nobody wrote that it got working on N950 too |
| 02:44.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | since on N950 you can't get to the BGA ball that has antenna signal on it |
| 02:45.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | and even if you could, there's _no_ place in N950 to place the aerial to, since N950 backcover is alu in the middle |
| 02:46.34 | evil_core | f*** BGA :( |
| 02:47.02 | evil_core | but what about hostmode on N9? |
| 02:47.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | CBA |
| 02:47.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should be possible, but really, I lost interest |
| 02:47.57 | evil_core | On forum I found but PR1.3 ChangeLog told something about that |
| 02:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | since this OS makes me feel acute nausea each time I deal with it |
| 02:48.12 | ToAruShiroiNeko | any suggestions on how to fix gtalk on the n9? |
| 02:48.24 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I cannot use it for video or audio talk |
| 02:48.49 | ToAruShiroiNeko | also DropN9 doesnt seem to connect either |
| 02:49.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | and once I heard insider's rumour that some people in Nokia harmattan devel crew were looking into getting hostmode on HARM |
| 02:49.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody contacted me about it, so I thought WTF and stopped even thinking about it |
| 02:51.02 | evil_core | even that its amazing phone for me |
| 02:51.17 | evil_core | I am going sleep, good night |
| 02:51.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 02:51.55 | njsf1 | My Gtalk account on the N9 does not connect properly |
| 02:52.03 | njsf1 | has anyone seen this before ? |
| 02:52.15 | njsf1 | I checked in ~/.rtcom-accounts and the password is correct |
| 02:52.16 | ToAruShiroiNeko | yes |
| 02:52.22 | njsf1 | Any solution ? |
| 02:52.51 | ToAruShiroiNeko | its a problem I too am experiencing |
| 02:53.05 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I am unsure what the solution is |
| 02:53.42 | njsf1 | I am sure it is something to do with the telepathy gtalk specific support |
| 02:53.59 | njsf1 | because if I add a pure jabber account for the same account, that connects |
| 02:54.15 | njsf1 | But then I guess the video talk is gone |
| 02:54.19 | njsf1 | still have to verify... |
| 02:54.36 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I read something about telepathy too |
| 02:55.09 | njsf1 | in the N900 the most frequent issue was that on connection failure it would loose the port number |
| 02:55.14 | ToAruShiroiNeko | I am not even sure what to do :/ |
| 02:55.16 | njsf1 | but it does not seem to be the issue now |
| 02:55.33 | ToAruShiroiNeko | in my case it connects fine and immidiately looses connection with an error |
| 02:58.29 | njsf1 | hmmm interesting |
| 02:58.48 | njsf1 | it tries to connect to a qa-in-f125.1e100.net |
| 02:59.09 | ToAruShiroiNeko | that looks like a spam site :p |
| 02:59.41 | special | 1e100.net is google's cdn. |
| 02:59.43 | njsf1 | well it is a google machine |
| 03:00.11 | ToAruShiroiNeko | yeah |
| 03:00.17 | njsf1 | I guess I need to snoop the traffic |
| 03:00.22 | ToAruShiroiNeko | still its a terrible URL :3 |
| 03:00.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: the problem with Aegis/security-framework/relatedstuff is the explicit change in paradigm Nokia did in HARM. They obviously abandoned the community collaboration for the core system, gave "community" this dalvik-metoo qt-* SDK where you can develop apps and nothing else, and tried to tivoize the core OS they stolen from linux as much as they possibly could |
| 03:01.58 | SpeedEvil | and, yes |
| 03:05.33 | njsf1 | And WTF is a connection to chat.ovi.com established... |
| 03:05.39 | ToAruShiroiNeko | njsf1 please let me know if you make any progress :/ |
| 03:06.03 | njsf1 | will do |
| 03:07.29 | SpeedEvil | there is nothing at all wrong with the framework, if there were sensible exceptions. which there have not been, so it's hideously restrictive. |
| 03:08.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | the wrong part in framework is that it's based on a wrong policy |
| 03:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | tivoization policy |
| 03:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I usually don't really agree with RMS, he's absolutely right about tivoization |
| 03:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when it comes to HARM which got dr |
| 03:16.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | derived from fremantle which been built by a lot of community contribution |
| 03:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you could argue Nokia was kinda obliged to allow community to further use this FOSS stuff on Nokia phones based on it |
| 03:19.59 | SpeedEvil | and yes. but that could have been done by 'allow installation from non market aources,' and other similar mechanisms |
| 03:20.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linus' POV as stated at end of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization might apply to general linux, it doesn't really apply to maemo anymore |
| 03:20.57 | SpeedEvil | it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if they hadn't gone off Linux internally a few months after the n900 |
| 03:21.05 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 03:23.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least it seems jolla learnt the lessons from that Nokia borne put-on |
| 03:23.45 | SpeedEvil | hopefully |
| 03:24.55 | njsf1 | capture dump gets me nowhere |
| 03:25.07 | virtuald | how u know jolla is real? |
| 03:25.14 | njsf1 | 3 repeated packets size 40, no obvious protocol |
| 03:25.25 | njsf1 | other than it seems to want to speak IPv6 |
| 03:25.27 | njsf1 | :/ |
| 03:25.47 | njsf1 | Maybe I need to uninstall IPv6 support to get gtalk to work... |
| 03:25.55 | njsf1 | but that will have to wait for tomorrow |
| 03:26.01 | njsf1 | bye all |
| 03:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible (IPv6) |
| 03:26.13 | virtuald | uninstall ovi store application |
| 03:38.02 | ToAruShiroiNeko | DocScrutinizer05 do you have any suggestions for me? |
| 03:38.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, not really |
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| 10:59.02 | Lava_Croft | Open Mode is nice |
| 10:59.11 | Lava_Croft | Feels better than inception |
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| 11:58.08 | juiceme | Lava_Croft; Open mode is a lot safer than inception :) |
| 11:59.17 | trx | why is that? |
| 12:00.00 | juiceme | with open mode you are running with CAL area locked, which meand your (propably rogue) SW/mods cannot accidentally mess up with something important and irrepairable... |
| 12:00.54 | juiceme | With inception it's free for all. You can brick your phone so that no flashing helps you. |
| 12:01.32 | Lava_Croft | Besides the fact that Inception was a bad movie |
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| 12:45.56 | juiceme | I have a strange kernel build problem... as I have 2 quite similar pc's, both with same OS (precise, 12.04) and same version of scratchbox. |
| 12:47.04 | juiceme | Now, I am building exactly the same image on both machines (let's say, for example the vanilla N9 kernel kernel_2.6.32-20121301+0m8.tar) |
| 12:47.32 | juiceme | make rm581_defconfig ; make -j5 |
| 12:48.32 | juiceme | Both build the /arch/arm/boot/Image correctly, but only on the other I also get /arch/arm/boot/zImage |
| 12:49.26 | juiceme | Other environment complains like this; |
| 12:49.29 | juiceme | arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzo.S:4: Error: file not found: arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzo |
| 12:49.37 | juiceme | make[2]: *** [arch/arm/boot/compressed/piggy.lzo.o] Error 1 |
| 12:49.51 | juiceme | make[1]: *** [arch/arm/boot/compressed/vmlinux] Error 2 |
| 12:49.56 | juiceme | make: *** [zImage] Error 2 |
| 12:51.08 | juiceme | What am I missing here... I guess the bootstrap compression bit cannot be generated but what is causing that? |
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| 16:14.24 | Jeffrey04 | anyone here uses vnc to connect to N9? |
| 16:14.50 | Jeffrey04 | the screen lock timeout seems broken after using VNC |
| 16:14.52 | Jeffrey04 | :( |
| 16:15.00 | Jeffrey04 | rebooting doesn't fix the problem |
| 16:16.25 | rigo | have used vnc, did not have that issue |
| 16:16.38 | Jeffrey04 | reseting the settings fixed the problem |
| 16:16.45 | Jeffrey04 | but I don't want to reset it again |
| 16:16.45 | rigo | ok |
| 16:17.13 | Jeffrey04 | weird :( |
| 16:17.29 | rigo | use another vnc client? |
| 16:17.36 | Jeffrey04 | tried with 2 different clients |
| 16:17.58 | Jeffrey04 | don't know which triggers the problem |
| 16:18.24 | rigo | look into .xession-errors |
| 16:18.32 | Jeffrey04 | under ~ ? |
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| 16:20.05 | rigo | not on the phone, there is none, I realize |
| 16:21.07 | Jeffrey04 | erm, ok |
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| 16:22.38 | Jeffrey04 | weird, it is now back to normal |
| 16:22.51 | Jeffrey04 | :( |
| 16:22.59 | Jeffrey04 | rigo: thanks for the help |
| 16:23.41 | rigo | is not a dev on N9, so just some linux knowledge |
| 16:24.07 | Jeffrey04 | not a qt dev |
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| 16:57.52 | Lava_Croft | Aw, tried to solution to GOogle Calendar giving "storage full" error with CalDav sync, but it seems i still get the error :< |
| 16:57.56 | Lava_Croft | to/the |
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| 18:29.27 | suosaaski | Whee, got a new display on my N9, nice improvement in pic quality |
| 18:30.33 | suosaaski | (quality was the reason it was sent to service) |
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| 18:44.46 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
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| 18:47.55 | suosaaski | It had some thin lines across the display when looked at closely with certain apps/pictures, now it has a new panel and everything is fine :) |
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| 18:50.07 | SpeedEvil | :-) |
| 18:50.27 | SpeedEvil | is looking for broken n9s to do evil things to. |
| 18:50.47 | SpeedEvil | (desolder flash to put in my n7) |
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| 19:09.42 | Sazpaimon | "hidden symbol `__sync_fetch_and_sub_4' in /scratchbox/compilers/cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.4.1/libgcc.a(linux-atomic.o) is referenced by DSO" |
| 19:09.51 | Sazpaimon | anyone know what would cause this error and how to fix it? |
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| 19:36.49 | juiceme | Never came across that kind of error... what are u compiling? |
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| 19:42.51 | Sazpaimon | yate |
| 19:42.57 | Sazpaimon | i just ran it with --disable-atomic for now |
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| 20:55.08 | Sazpaimon | ok awesome |
| 20:55.31 | Sazpaimon | yate is working great on my N9, I can send and recieve calls directly from my google voice number over wifi |
| 20:56.09 | Sazpaimon | my only issue is, on my recent calls list, numbers made through SIP show up as "sip:5555555555@127.0.0.1" |
| 20:56.12 | Sazpaimon | is that normal? |
| 21:02.03 | pa | wtf? on PR1.3 the capa uid:root doesnt work anymore? |
| 21:05.58 | pa | no, apparently shell scripts cant be run from desktop? |
| 21:05.59 | pa | weird |
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| 22:22.44 | asch | hello guys, can you help me with my nokia N9? i have flashed rom with 1.3 with the variant 340 and the rom has sim-lock... is there any rom with higher number than 340 without simlock? or is there a way how to flash rom with lower variant? |
| 22:23.31 | Lava_Croft | why that specific variant? |
| 22:23.52 | asch | Lava_Croft: because I'm stupid |
| 22:23.57 | Lava_Croft | :< |
| 22:24.07 | asch | Lava_Croft: mistake, didn't know the stuff about variants |
| 22:24.13 | Lava_Croft | Yeah, it's a bit tricky |
| 22:24.51 | asch | is there any chance? |
| 22:25.09 | Lava_Croft | You can't flash it with 001 variant? |
| 22:25.16 | asch | no |
| 22:25.20 | Lava_Croft | Oh |
| 22:25.44 | Lava_Croft | Let's hope somebody knows how to solve that. I don' :< |
| 22:25.47 | Lava_Croft | don;t* |
| 22:25.55 | Lava_Croft | meh, whatever, typos |
| 22:26.05 | asch | flasher -f -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 22:26.16 | asch | Downgrade disallowed (1341314261) |
| 22:26.22 | Lava_Croft | aw |
| 22:26.54 | asch | damn it |
| 22:27.08 | bluefox | going from say 001 to 005 is allowed but not the other way around |
| 22:27.09 | Lava_Croft | patience, someone here might know, but just not be around |
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| 22:27.31 | bluefox | even within the same version...it's silly |
| 22:27.57 | asch | i have 340 :-( |
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| 22:29.50 | Lava_Croft | asch: saw this? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1133159&postcount=1 |
| 22:30.45 | Lava_Croft | (no idea if it works) |
| 22:30.48 | asch | Lava_Croft: how does it solve bad rom? |
| 22:30.55 | bluefox | don't think that will do it |
| 22:31.03 | bluefox | since it's the actual flasher program that throws the error |
| 22:31.23 | Lava_Croft | but i presume it does so based on info it gets out of the n9 |
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| 22:34.26 | asch | Lava_Croft: you think that changing product code will help to flash? |
| 22:34.45 | Lava_Croft | I honestly have no idea, and my nature is always inclined to say 'it won't work' |
| 22:35.06 | asch | thus I bricked my N9, great |
| 22:35.17 | Lava_Croft | You could try Nokia Care |
| 22:35.18 | bluefox | not necessarily |
| 22:35.33 | Lava_Croft | And I'm fairly sure there must be some solution to this |
| 22:35.58 | bluefox | there are other carrier branded revisions that are higher than yours...they might not be SIM locked |
| 22:36.14 | asch | bluefox: oh, you have some? |
| 22:36.26 | bluefox | also, not possible to unlock? every locked phone has just asked for an unlock code when i put in a different SIM |
| 22:36.53 | bluefox | i do not, but reading the rest of the thread that was linked, some people have posted higher version numbers |
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| 22:37.53 | bluefox | might just be easier to pay someone off the internet $5 to generate an unlock code than dealing with nokia |
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| 22:40.06 | asch | ok, need to try some non-sim-locked rom with higher variant than 340 |
| 22:40.12 | asch | s/try/find |
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| 22:46.28 | asch | hope that some branded rom will be unlocked |
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| 22:57.30 | bluefox | trying to unlock it not an option? |
| 22:59.25 | asch | cannot figure out how |
| 23:02.24 | bluefox | no option to put in an unlock code when you put the SIM card in? |
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| 23:06.11 | asch | nope |
| 23:09.00 | asch | trying variant 365 :) |
| 23:10.15 | bluefox | well, before you keep flashing them, i'd try finding out first |
| 23:10.23 | bluefox | since it's a one way process after all |
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| 23:12.43 | asch | try finding out what? |
| 23:13.17 | bluefox | if they're SIM locked |
| 23:13.28 | asch | but how |
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| 23:14.05 | bluefox | maybe others have reported on it? |
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| 23:16.49 | iniesta | hai |
| 23:17.12 | iniesta | i hav a little problem |
| 23:18.06 | iniesta | my gps is cannot located my current position |
| 23:18.26 | iniesta | any hint to solve it |
| 23:21.20 | asch | iniesta: go out |
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| 23:22.52 | beford | asch there were some recent posts on TMO about downgrading |
| 23:23.08 | asch | beford: TMO? |
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| 23:23.27 | beford | ~tmo |
| 23:23.27 | infobot | hmm... tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. |
| 23:23.44 | asch | thnx |
| 23:23.57 | beford | but jonni claimed its not safe as you can brick it completly |
| 23:24.08 | beford | so if you can find a bigger variant sim unlocked should be safer |
| 23:24.28 | asch | i tried 5 roms already and all were locked |
| 23:25.32 | beford | :/ |
| 23:36.15 | asch | damn, nothing works |
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