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| 00:58.31 | Sazpaimon | ok so I broke my MyDocs partition and now my N9 won't boot, just stuck at the nokia logo |
| 00:58.36 | Sazpaimon | tried reflashing EMMC to no avail |
| 00:59.41 | Sazpaimon | just to be sure I'll try --erase-mmc=secure |
| 00:59.55 | Hurrian | Sazpaimon: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/n9/sources/kernel_2.6.32-20121301+0m8.tar.gz |
| 01:00.08 | Sazpaimon | thanks Hurrian, but I already found it |
| 01:00.16 | Hurrian | ah, k |
| 01:00.34 | Sazpaimon | what I dont get is why the N9 is so dependent on the EMMC to be working |
| 01:00.51 | Hurrian | sazpaimon, it's in the init scripts |
| 01:00.51 | Sazpaimon | if EMMC can't be mounted, it remounts / as read only |
| 01:01.07 | Hurrian | you could fix it if you had Backupmenu N9 installed |
| 01:01.23 | Sazpaimon | i already have my EMMC backed up |
| 01:01.23 | Hurrian | (oh, and edit the export script to export mmcblk0 instead of mmcblk0p1) |
| 01:01.37 | Sazpaimon | but I accidently formatted it as fat32 in windows and forgot to make it vfat again |
| 01:01.51 | Sazpaimon | now the N9 wont mount it, even after I reformatted it as vfat |
| 01:02.28 | Sazpaimon | i rebooted, and it's stuck at the nokia logo |
| 01:02.36 | Sazpaimon | tried disabling lifeguard reset, no change |
| 01:02.51 | Sazpaimon | so hopefully --erase-mmc=secure will format the partition correctly |
| 01:02.56 | Hurrian | hmm, to linux, isn't vfat=fat32? |
| 01:03.18 | Sazpaimon | good question, I dont know |
| 01:03.19 | Hurrian | although, windows may have created a partition table on mmcblk0p1 when it formatted |
| 01:03.30 | Sazpaimon | thats possible |
| 01:03.39 | Hurrian | which it shouldn't have, because it's a virtual lun |
| 01:03.54 | Sazpaimon | no you know what, I know it did |
| 01:04.00 | Sazpaimon | i was briefly using it as a usb dos boot disk |
| 01:04.11 | Sazpaimon | so yeah, it made a partition table and MBR and junk |
| 01:04.30 | Sazpaimon | that's probably what's causing it grief |
| 01:04.59 | Hurrian | meh, you should've just used Disk Management to format it instead of the Format command from Explorer |
| 01:05.03 | Sazpaimon | erase-mmc should hopefully zero out the entire partition then, which should restore it to a pristine state |
| 01:05.19 | Sazpaimon | i was actually using a usb formatter tool, which sets up a dos boot disk |
| 01:05.22 | Hurrian | ah |
| 01:05.34 | Hurrian | Sazpaimon, yup, a zeroize should do |
| 01:06.03 | Sazpaimon | i should have checked dmesg before i rebooted, that would have helped |
| 01:09.05 | Hurrian | Sazpaimon, "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 && /sbin/mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1" would've worked |
| 01:09.22 | Sazpaimon | yeah if I had opensh |
| 01:09.30 | Hurrian | if you're not squeamish about using the rescue initrd you could simply wipe that bit |
| 01:09.48 | Sazpaimon | doesnt just loading the rescue image enable open mode? |
| 01:10.11 | Hurrian | wait, you aren't in open mode? |
| 01:10.17 | Sazpaimon | not now |
| 01:10.19 | Hurrian | yeah, it puts the device into open mode. |
| 01:10.32 | Sazpaimon | I'm working on some non-openmode stuff right now |
| 01:10.49 | Sazpaimon | normally I'm openmode, but I disabled it to test some things related to inception |
| 01:11.12 | Sazpaimon | used to be on PR1.0/1.1, you could simply load an unsigned image and stay in closed mode |
| 01:11.20 | Sazpaimon | not sure why they changed that |
| 01:11.30 | Sazpaimon | as long as you didnt flash |
| 01:14.40 | Hurrian | ah. I switched to patched openmode when inabt stopped supporting it |
| 01:15.12 | Hurrian | oh, and I think they didn't want people dicking around with the system in open mode, and going back to stock kernel |
| 01:16.29 | Sazpaimon | ugh |
| 01:16.31 | Sazpaimon | still not working |
| 01:16.43 | Sazpaimon | the led is flashing, and it's rebooting now |
| 01:17.27 | Sazpaimon | let me disable the lifeguard reset and try again |
| 01:18.44 | Sazpaimon | actually, it's not rebooting, it's shutting down |
| 01:23.58 | Sazpaimon | tried every possible R&D flag, no luck |
| 01:24.50 | Hurrian | meh, just zeroize it already |
| 01:25.13 | Sazpaimon | isnt that what --erase-mmc already does? |
| 01:25.17 | Hurrian | use rescue initrd to backup stuff you need, then flatten it with rootfs+emmc to restore back to normal mode |
| 01:25.35 | Hurrian | malf state may be stored in /var |
| 01:25.41 | Hurrian | g2g, see you guys later |
| 01:47.22 | Sazpaimon | uh |
| 01:47.30 | Sazpaimon | somehow my rootfs partition is empty? |
| 01:47.48 | Sazpaimon | as in the actual partition table says empty |
| 01:49.17 | Sazpaimon | i guess modifying the EMMC broke the partition table of the device? |
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| 02:17.30 | arvut | hi |
| 02:18.37 | arvut | how do you root your n9? I got devel-su and devmode activated.. I feel more comfortable having root access... |
| 02:18.40 | Sazpaimon | testdisk is not finding the partition either |
| 02:18.43 | arvut | it asks for root pw |
| 02:18.52 | Sazpaimon | default password is rootme |
| 02:18.59 | arvut | oh |
| 02:19.38 | arvut | what was it on the n900, do you remember/know? |
| 02:19.43 | arvut | the default that is |
| 02:19.58 | Sazpaimon | it may have been the same, I cant remember |
| 02:20.01 | arvut | my rootpw on the n900 got changed the day I bought it and rooted it |
| 02:20.09 | Sazpaimon | actually all I remember is being able to just type root and it gave me root |
| 02:20.17 | Sazpaimon | after installing the root utility |
| 02:20.19 | arvut | I think it was something like it, not exactly the same tho |
| 02:20.25 | arvut | yeah |
| 02:20.33 | arvut | thats the rootsh |
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| 02:21.06 | arvut | gain-root or something like that |
| 02:21.24 | arvut | it still had an outside rootpw for ssh and such |
| 02:21.58 | Sazpaimon | word of warning, root on the N9 is still limited |
| 02:22.05 | arvut | how so? |
| 02:22.14 | Sazpaimon | you can run develsh after devel-su to get more permissions, but aegis still limits you from doing things |
| 02:22.36 | arvut | I did notice that it has a silly busybox and not the whole bash4 freedom |
| 02:22.52 | arvut | what's aegis? |
| 02:23.27 | Sazpaimon | oh boy, you're new at this |
| 02:23.49 | arvut | yeah, but I learn fast |
| 02:23.58 | Sazpaimon | people in here can explain aegis better than me |
| 02:24.04 | Sazpaimon | but basically it's the meego security platform |
| 02:24.11 | arvut | aegis is some kind of sudo system then? |
| 02:24.25 | arvut | or some kind of built in defense against users like us :P |
| 02:24.34 | Sazpaimon | if you aren't granted specific permissions to access certain things, you will get denied |
| 02:24.41 | arvut | yeah |
| 02:24.57 | arvut | even under root, huh? |
| 02:25.23 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 02:25.34 | arvut | so, you could say that aegis is its own root police, that limits whoever logs in to root or any other user acc and tries to do things |
| 02:25.36 | M4rtinK | like SELinux but worse :) |
| 02:25.45 | arvut | haha neat |
| 02:25.47 | Sazpaimon | yeah, selinux is a good comparison |
| 02:26.11 | M4rtinK | IIRC, its not that bad in principle & implementation |
| 02:26.17 | M4rtinK | but horribly misconfigured |
| 02:26.24 | arvut | im installing gentoo on this machine, actually considered running it hardened but I'll wait with that until i got a fresh install that has a working kernel |
| 02:26.40 | Sazpaimon | there's ways around it, you can install an unsigned kernel that has aegis disabled or limited |
| 02:26.44 | arvut | hardened with SElinux that is |
| 02:26.49 | Sazpaimon | then you can install a real root package |
| 02:26.53 | arvut | cool |
| 02:27.21 | arvut | I might not do that tho, its my main communications device and I dont want to limit its security until I understand it more |
| 02:27.22 | Sazpaimon | or if you ask itsnotabigtruck, you can install inception, which exploits an oversight in aegis enforcement to elevate yourself |
| 02:27.43 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck can probably explain it better |
| 02:28.06 | arvut | I've heard of that inception thing (the movie was awesome..) but this package? what is it? |
| 02:28.43 | Sazpaimon | it's an alternative way to give yourself full permissions without doing a reflash of another kernel |
| 02:28.46 | arvut | some kind of "hack aegis-security" thing? |
| 02:28.52 | arvut | cool |
| 02:28.57 | arvut | I gotta play with that then |
| 02:29.14 | Sazpaimon | the flash method is the official way nokia reccomends doing this |
| 02:29.32 | Sazpaimon | since it's not an exploit, flashing an unsigned kernel changes the system into "open mode" |
| 02:30.25 | arvut | btw, a rather offtopic question real quick, is screen available for n9? (or some other terminal splitter like tmux)? and how do I split vertically & jump thru splits? |
| 02:31.02 | arvut | cool, can I have a bootmenu and boot both open & aegis mode? |
| 02:31.35 | arvut | I'm planning to corrupting the device with gentoo some day anyway, so it would be good to know if multiply OS's can be installed on it |
| 02:31.48 | Sazpaimon | there appears to be a tmux port in the unofficial harmattan community repo |
| 02:31.58 | arvut | awesome |
| 02:32.27 | Sazpaimon | nobody's done a gentoo port yet |
| 02:32.33 | arvut | do I have to enable the unofficial repo in terminal or can it be done in the "store" app? |
| 02:32.36 | Sazpaimon | and there really isn't an easy way to make a dual-boot setup |
| 02:32.42 | Sazpaimon | you can do it in the terminal |
| 02:33.13 | Sazpaimon | echo 'deb http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/ ./' >>/etc/apt/sources.list.d/nicks.list |
| 02:33.32 | Sazpaimon | not sure why this wiki said nicks.list |
| 02:33.36 | Sazpaimon | doesn't matter what you name it though |
| 02:33.41 | arvut | I'm used to working in a terminal, I get terminal abstinence if I dont get to be inside one every now and then. 3rd thing I installed on my n9 the day I got it was that bluetooth-term and the normal terminal |
| 02:34.03 | arvut | irssi and ip radio being the 2nd and 1st |
| 02:34.05 | Sazpaimon | fingerterm is another good terminal |
| 02:34.13 | arvut | I'll check it out |
| 02:34.22 | arvut | I need to get a proper bt keyboard tho |
| 02:34.34 | arvut | the touchscreen kb kills me |
| 02:34.37 | Sazpaimon | if you don't have a keyboard handy, fingerterm outputs a transparent keyboard overlayed on top of a kernel |
| 02:34.44 | Sazpaimon | erm |
| 02:34.51 | Sazpaimon | *on top of a terminal |
| 02:35.14 | Sazpaimon | http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ss2.png |
| 02:35.20 | arvut | that_sounds_truly_awesome! cause the vkb totally ruins the terminal experience |
| 02:35.37 | Sazpaimon | it's designed for programs like irssi too |
| 02:35.58 | Sazpaimon | you can do swiping gestures to do alt+pgup and pgdown to switch between irssi tabs |
| 02:36.47 | Sazpaimon | btw, if you're going to run gentoo, you may want to consider a prefix setup, rather than a full install |
| 02:37.03 | arvut | nice, altho irssi is installed in /opt, can it be ran from cli instead of the meego gui? I have to permanently alias it, right? |
| 02:37.33 | Sazpaimon | nokia store QA requires that apps get installed in /opt |
| 02:37.42 | Sazpaimon | but you're free to make symlinks of you so desire |
| 02:37.49 | Sazpaimon | *if |
| 02:38.13 | arvut | how do you permanently alias something under harmattan then? which file do I edit? |
| 02:38.31 | arvut | assuming alias is the way to do it |
| 02:39.01 | Sazpaimon | you can just make a symlink really |
| 02:39.22 | Sazpaimon | ln -s /usr/bin/irssi /opt/irssi/bin/irssi or whatever |
| 02:39.29 | arvut | I gotta type that screenshot link on my n9, im under minimal gentoo enviorment, not chrooted and no gui atm |
| 02:39.32 | arvut | brb |
| 02:40.05 | arvut | oh, and it will be found as a command in the terminal after I've symlinked it? |
| 02:41.05 | Sazpaimon | yeah |
| 02:42.20 | arvut | I wish I could get my hands on a n950, would love to have one.. but I kinda lost hope when I saw one go for 2000 euros on ebay last summer |
| 02:43.11 | arvut | that keyboard and tilted screen looks so sweet.. and the aluminium unibody. *drools* |
| 02:45.02 | Sazpaimon | I think I completely fubared this |
| 02:45.15 | Sazpaimon | testdisk can't find my root partition atall |
| 02:46.04 | Sazpaimon | guess I gotta reflash and start from scratch |
| 02:46.18 | arvut | whats testdisk? and what are you up to? |
| 02:46.31 | Sazpaimon | i accidently broke the partition layout of my phone |
| 02:47.28 | arvut | ouch, are you trying to do what I suggested earlier? or just screw around with partitions? |
| 02:48.08 | Theorbo | What is the going rate of N950s these days? |
| 02:48.29 | arvut | that ss2.png link sent me to a site with a finnish error msg. I think it says "file could not be found" or something like that. I don't speak finnish |
| 02:48.56 | arvut | Theorbo: you mean what ppl sell them for? |
| 02:49.23 | Sazpaimon | fingerterm's availablein the store |
| 02:49.28 | Sazpaimon | so you can find it there |
| 02:49.42 | arvut | yeah, I downloaded it. was that just a screenie of yours? |
| 02:50.36 | Sazpaimon | no, that was the author's website |
| 02:50.47 | arvut | no english translation for unlink.org? |
| 02:51.03 | arvut | I see.. thought you uploaded it |
| 02:58.23 | arvut | hmm.. ln says file exists when I try to symlink it. are you sure thats the correct syntax? |
| 02:59.11 | arvut | would be more logical if it was "ln -s /path/to/link /new/symlink" |
| 02:59.40 | arvut | I've only used symlink once or twice before, still quite new to a lot of unix commands |
| 03:00.42 | Sazpaimon | i can never remember the order of arguments for ln |
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| 03:25.28 | arvut | I screwed up with screen =) |
| 03:26.05 | arvut | the prompt wouldnt let me type and all I could do was ctrl-a Q |
| 03:26.16 | arvut | I assume that would be a quit command |
| 03:27.18 | arvut | Sazpaimon: have you gone afk now? or are you messing around with partitions in another windows? |
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| 04:20.55 | Sazpaimon | anyone know what would cause my entire root partition to become zeroed out? |
| 04:21.53 | Sazpaimon | also, my home partition just has a "preinstalled" folder |
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| 05:06.02 | Sazpaimon | oh.. i see |
| 05:06.27 | Sazpaimon | --erase-mmc, Im brainless and didn't realize it formats /home |
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| 05:13.32 | Sazpaimon | well, there goes everything on my phone.. |
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| 06:26.25 | thedead1440 | i've done the setup to share my host machine's internet connection with my N9 via USB. Ping in terminal, easy debian works but no GUI app works even though the N9 is connected to a dummy ad-hoc network. Have set the default gw to host machine's ip. Any pointers on what I'm doing wrong? Thanks~ |
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| 06:58.50 | thedead1440 | My issue earlier has been fixed; it was my mistake to have played around with /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 10:18.25 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: ping |
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| 10:22.33 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: pong? |
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| 10:24.03 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: sup |
| 10:24.07 | ZogG_laptop | long time no see |
| 10:25.28 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: i know u read books from devices and as piracy is not the best thing i wonder if you can advice any shop/services where i can buy books, the point is if i bought i can download it for my device not limited times and no subscribtion fee :) |
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| 10:25.45 | Elleo | I'm good, just about to leave to hopefully complete the purchase of my new boat/home :) |
| 10:25.58 | Elleo | err, well there's various independent DRM free publishers |
| 10:26.04 | ZogG_laptop | boat home? lol what? |
| 10:26.44 | ZogG_laptop | i have sony ebook and intend to read on it mostly and not phone or tablet or what ever :) |
| 10:26.46 | Elleo | http://www.baenebooks.com/ are pretty good in that respect (I'd personally recommend Louis McMasters Bujold's books), they also have a lot of free books available as samples for their longer series |
| 10:27.39 | Elleo | there's also smashwords.com for lots of individual authors |
| 10:27.46 | Elleo | quality there varies dramatically though |
| 10:28.04 | ZogG_laptop | yeah but i'm not that reader, i would prefer known authors with books i know :) |
| 10:28.23 | ZogG_laptop | and what is boat/home you was talking |
| 10:28.26 | ZogG_laptop | u made me curious |
| 10:28.30 | Elleo | yeah, unfortunately for authors that are with most publishers you're limited to one of the DRM encumbered shops |
| 10:28.55 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: I'm buying a narrowboat (a type of long, thin boat that travels the canals in the UK) to live aboard |
| 10:29.02 | ZogG_laptop | the problem is that i don't want to keep books on harddrive :\ |
| 10:29.17 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: to live like for a long time? |
| 10:29.29 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: yep |
| 10:29.35 | Elleo | ZogG_laptop: http://www.whiltonmarina.co.uk/used-narrowboats/details/2360.aspx <-- this is the boat |
| 10:29.41 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: when i'm in UK i would ask you for a ride then :) |
| 10:29.52 | Elleo | sure :) |
| 10:30.21 | ZogG_laptop | and what about computer and internet? |
| 10:30.44 | ZogG_laptop | though nowday it' enuf to have mobile internet it's still mobile internet :( |
| 10:30.55 | Elleo | the engine charges a bank of large batteries, and I have an unlimited 3G data contract |
| 10:31.04 | Elleo | also planning on fitting some solar panels |
| 10:31.11 | Elleo | but that's not a priority until the summer really |
| 10:32.14 | ZogG_laptop | cool |
| 10:32.21 | ZogG_laptop | i have no balls for things like that :( |
| 10:33.17 | ZogG_laptop | ok wouldn't keep you here longer :) talk to you late and good luck :) |
| 10:33.17 | Elleo | well you could just consider this a form of stupidity :P |
| 10:33.25 | Elleo | yeah, got to head out; bye :) |
| 10:33.29 | ZogG_laptop | it's not - i think it's cool |
| 10:33.33 | ZogG_laptop | bye |
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| 11:46.29 | patigoal | hi |
| 11:48.32 | patigoal | hi all |
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| 12:03.56 | patigoal | hi all |
| 12:04.12 | patigoal | all here have a n9 phone? |
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| 12:05.22 | patigoal | someo e from germany here? |
| 12:05.24 | RzR | ZogG_laptop, will share sources this week end |
| 12:05.35 | RzR | ZogG_laptop, should be easy to test that way on pb |
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| 12:17.16 | ZogG_laptop | RzR: hey |
| 12:17.55 | ZogG_laptop | RzR: ok, this week i'm pretty busy, but maybe next one. and next one maybe there would be bb10 on playbook as well :) |
| 12:19.34 | RzR | no problem |
| 12:19.42 | RzR | i am not hurry |
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