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| 05:35.56 | imunsie | DocScrutinizer51: dm8tbr: Thanks for your help yesterday. Turns out "downgrade disallowed" can also mean "that's the wrong product code, schmuck" |
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| 06:24.02 | dm8tbr | imunsie: correct |
| 06:25.00 | dm8tbr | within the same firmware version, only the same code is allowed. you can only change the code only if you upgrade to a newer firmware. which obviously is impossible if you already are on the latest |
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| 07:17.56 | imunsie | Interestingly the screen not turning off issue must have crept into the backup I made (post fsck). Reflashed and restored again sans-settings.zip and only a partial contacts.zip (since the fs corruption was mostly around the ~/.cache) and the display seems to be turning off properly again |
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| 07:22.03 | imunsie | Just out of curiosity - has anyone ever seen an N9 who's low power standby screen displays the time in bright cyan instead of dim white? |
| 07:22.28 | CissWit | yes, by changing the good css file |
| 07:22.29 | imunsie | It happens on a collegues N9, but he's never bothered figuring out why (he didn't customise it) |
| 07:22.31 | mschlens_ | imunsie: no but I know that you can change the colors |
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| 07:23.12 | imunsie | I know the coulours can be changed by editing the css - I always change mine to red so it isn't as bright at night |
| 07:23.25 | imunsie | But he has never done that to his |
| 07:23.35 | imunsie | Even after he reflashed it it's the same |
| 07:24.11 | CissWit | then no :) |
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| 07:30.59 | imunsie | It's most interesting to me that the display seems to get brighter instead of dimmer - seems like something is backwards somewhere |
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| 07:33.05 | imunsie | I wonder how much it contributes to his battery life... he has mentioned that it isn't so great, on the other hand he uses his more actively than I do so it's hard to compare |
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| 07:49.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: however consider that every photon costs 1000s of electrons eaten from battery. Regarding _bright_ cyan |
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| 07:52.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, you wonder how it can change on its own. Hard to tell, maybe some hw defect |
| 07:52.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | or some sw defect or setting |
| 07:53.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | also mind you OLED displays are notorious to have a greenish color when looked at from the side |
| 07:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | regarding "cyan" |
| 07:54.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: is his display generally oddly colored, also during normal operation? |
| 07:55.14 | imunsie | In normal operation the display is fine - looks the same as mine |
| 07:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then a hw defect is rather improbable |
| 07:56.30 | imunsie | But when we both hit standby the clock is displayed in white at whatever brightness our displays are set to for a moment, then mine dims but remains white to go into low power, while his gets brighter and turns cyan |
| 07:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's ODD |
| 07:57.00 | imunsie | So, whatever the issue is it is clearly only triggered by the low power mode |
| 07:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather by the dimming |
| 07:57.30 | imunsie | yeah |
| 07:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but sure, dimming and low-power-mode and power-savings-mode are closely entangled |
| 07:58.59 | dm8tbr | could be some app he installed |
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| 07:59.26 | imunsie | dm8tbr: It even happened immediately after he did a complete reflash before he restored anything |
| 07:59.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | check you brightness settings, your device-display-timeout and standbyscreen settings |
| 07:59.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | on both devices |
| 07:59.58 | dm8tbr | imunsie: that's weird indeed |
| 08:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | battery-powersavermode |
| 08:01.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yeah, I bet there are display calibrations in CAL, to compensate white balance on several brightness levels |
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| 08:01.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: any info on that? |
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| 08:02.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | in /sys there must be a few sysnodes to tune/tweak such display parameters |
| 08:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | even the display itself may have a local "cal" for such settings, in controller chip |
| 08:04.27 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: no idea, never looked at cal |
| 08:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I more wondered if you ever looked at display calibration on hw level |
| 08:05.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | aka white/gray/black balance |
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| 08:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | (the latter quite uncommon since ... black is black is black, _usually_) |
| 08:06.56 | imunsie | DocScrutinizer05: I just compared our settings for display & battery - the only difference we could see was the display timeout we had set |
| 08:06.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno if that's even part of Xwindows |
| 08:07.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | imunsie: I guess that's caused by a hw-decalibration or -variance |
| 08:09.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *seem* to recall similar reports about color balance way off the normal range, from other users of N9 |
| 08:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually noticed soon after purchase and swapped device on warranty |
| 08:10.00 | imunsie | yeah, his has always had this issue, but since it only affects the standby screen he hasn't really worried about it |
| 08:11.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | how's video on device looking? do you notice differences between yours and his in dark scenes of same movie on both devices? |
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| 08:14.07 | imunsie | I'd have to compare to be certain, but we have never noticed any differences like that |
| 08:14.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | also haha just noticed lockscreen display vanishes on bright ALS |
| 08:14.36 | imunsie | ALS? |
| 08:14.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ambient light sensor |
| 08:14.56 | imunsie | really? |
| 08:15.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | right of "NOKIA" |
| 08:15.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | I point there with a flashlight and the time dispay vanishes |
| 08:15.56 | imunsie | I think that's just the proximity sensor disabling it |
| 08:16.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems on N900 they practiced for that function X-P |
| 08:16.09 | imunsie | You can get the same effect if you hold your hand over that area for a couple of seconds |
| 08:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, since covering same area with my hand doesn't have same effect |
| 08:16.43 | imunsie | Or do you mean you are holding the flashlight some distance from the screen? |
| 08:16.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh right |
| 08:16.58 | imunsie | makes a mental note to try that later |
| 08:17.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 08:17.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | nm, you're right |
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| 08:22.08 | imunsie | is searching online for "Beer cafe" (in Drive) |
| 08:22.33 | imunsie | Something about that message is awesome |
| 08:22.54 | imunsie | Well, I have beers to go to |
| 08:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | curses maemo for obviously never having heard of ntp. "you need a SIM before you can use `automatic time update´!" WTF? |
| 08:26.26 | mschlens_ | Awesome, isn't it? |
| 08:27.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I once had a (casio, citizen?) wrist watch that had the option to adjust seconds to closest full minute (range -29 .. +30s) on simply double-clicking the "ok" button on the watch |
| 08:28.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn was that a useful and convenient feature |
| 08:29.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | you not even had to look at your watch to adjust it to any time source from where ever you ran into one |
| 08:30.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming you once a week did the double-click thingie on the "with the last tone it's umpteen o clock. pip ... pip ... pip ... peeeeep" |
| 08:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you never had to worry about correct setting of your wrist watch time |
| 08:31.37 | valdur55 | I have good idea for LED notify. |
| 08:31.49 | valdur55 | It should notify about open network.... |
| 08:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder why maemo can't do same, with e.g ntp. once a day, if connectivity available |
| 08:32.21 | valdur55 | Open connection.... |
| 08:33.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | valdur55: I#m not sure what you're after, but just let me say that wlan chip eats insane amounts of power for searching APs |
| 08:33.35 | valdur55 | I allways use PSM and connection is automaticaly closed, but when browser is opened then connection is also opened. |
| 08:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | i'd rather slightly modify this idea so notifier LED works all the same like the LED next to your regular ethernet NIC's rj45 receptacle: flash on each data transmission - well and yeah maybe light steady when "cable is plugged" aka connection established |
| 08:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly for GPRS this would be mad useful |
| 08:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | say "thank you so much for this idea" and wanders off to the sketing board to design the app that does this for maemo5 |
| 08:39.14 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: nitpick. in that case it would be SNTP and the utility is ntpdate |
| 08:39.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 08:40.28 | dm8tbr | which should be easy enough to implement |
| 08:40.31 | dm8tbr | timed and all that |
| 08:40.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware though that ntpdate is deprecated and obsolete? Not that I'd have any sympathy for that silly move they did |
| 08:41.03 | dm8tbr | yeah, bla and all that :) |
| 08:41.22 | dm8tbr | IIRC they integrated SNTP into ntpd or sthg like that |
| 08:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but they failed to implement the damn useful "only *display* ntp time" option into ntpd |
| 08:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you no longer can compare local time to ntp time by >> ntpdate; date; ntpdate << |
| 08:43.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather >> date; ntpdate; date << |
| 08:43.44 | dm8tbr | doesn't busybox even do ntpdate? |
| 08:43.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc |
| 08:44.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't think so |
| 08:47.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I preach for including a single "ntpdate" to ifup, on mobile devices, since ~6 years now |
| 08:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ntpd is incredibly inappropriate for systems that have intermittent connectivity to the internet |
| 08:50.12 | deram | openwrt suggests 'ntpd -q' as alternative for ntpdate |
| 08:55.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but that afaik doesn't do exactly what ntpdate does |
| 08:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | -q Exit the ntpd just after the first time the clock is *set*. |
| 08:56.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | what if I don't _want_ the clock to get adjusted? |
| 08:56.15 | deram | yep.. it does not just show the remote time |
| 08:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | the devels boldy failed on implementing a proper replacement of ntpdate |
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| 08:58.25 | deram | surely ntpd should have option to "just show what you would do without making the changes" |
| 08:58.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 09:01.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels poettering |
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| 09:03.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> |
| 09:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | BUGS |
| 09:03.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:03.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | << |
| 09:04.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | now consider how the above statement sounds - or should sound - with "workstation" replaced by "embedded device" |
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| 22:02.25 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: what's wrong with my tweets :) |
| 22:10.00 | GeneralAntilles | I was just commenting on the #FF complaint. :P |
| 22:12.07 | ZogG_laptop | just no one likes or talks to me :( |
| 22:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | Couple of things I've figured out |
| 22:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | Quality over quantity |
| 22:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | People dislike noise more than they like positive contributions |
| 22:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about things that interest you, but limit it to those things that also interest other people. |
| 22:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Talk about what you're seeing, not what you're doing. |
| 22:15.34 | ZogG_laptop | i don't want many people to follow me :) |
| 22:15.41 | ZogG_laptop | i want interection :) |
| 22:16.02 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: sup [al |
| 22:16.05 | ZogG_laptop | pal* |
| 22:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | Well, the two sort of go hand-in-hand. |
| 22:17.47 | GeneralAntilles | Or rather, good interactions and more followers tend to stem from the same source: quality content. |
| 22:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | and I can't recall getting a #FF either |
| 22:19.48 | GeneralAntilles | so I wouldn't worry about that. ;) |
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| 22:23.37 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: i actually had those once. and no i don't want to make people like me, i want them to like me for what i am :) |
| 22:24.00 | ZogG_laptop | anyway, when do you foce me to sit on sw port for bb10? |
| 22:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | foce? |
| 22:25.01 | ZogG_laptop | force |
| 22:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ok, what I figured. Still not sure what you're asking. :D |
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| 22:29.37 | teleshoes | anyone know where i can get a good n9 battery? |
| 22:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia? |
| 22:33.09 | teleshoes | yea |
| 22:33.14 | teleshoes | they dont seem to sell them |
| 22:33.20 | teleshoes | unless you know where? |
| 22:33.27 | teleshoes | lumia 800 battery |
| 22:33.38 | teleshoes | doesnt appear available online |
| 22:34.13 | ZogG_laptop | ebay |
| 22:34.30 | teleshoes | except the vast majority on ebay are oem |
| 22:34.55 | teleshoes | one says: 'genuine original nokia battery' and then says 'dont worry if the label is wrong, lots of different versions' |
| 22:35.14 | teleshoes | most just say original replacement battery |
| 22:35.18 | teleshoes | which means 'fake' |
| 22:36.23 | teleshoes | i dont know what capacity the fake ones have, but i lack the equipment to test them adequately, and im not rich enough to order batches of them and then test drive them in my phone forever |
| 22:36.54 | ZogG_laptop | i think you should advice on TMO |
| 22:37.04 | ZogG_laptop | but use search before opening new thread |
| 22:37.20 | teleshoes | mm |
| 22:37.38 | teleshoes | first, ill call nokia and see if i can just buy it. hadnt thought of that |
| 22:41.18 | bef0rd | sup ZogG_laptop |
| 22:41.33 | qwazix | teleshoes, try to find either a PISEN or JAPOD replacement battery |
| 22:42.11 | qwazix | nobody will bother making fakes of those and they are usually good. I have at least 4 of them for other phones and all are around the same capacity as the original |
| 22:43.28 | teleshoes | thanks |
| 22:43.37 | teleshoes | unfortunately, looks like neither make bv-5jw |
| 22:44.23 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: how are you? |
| 22:45.15 | teleshoes | anyone know about folote as a battery company? |
| 22:45.46 | teleshoes | in their product adverts, they recommend using battery testing equipment and give a guide for idiots on how to do this |
| 22:46.29 | teleshoes | theyre either slimier than most or legit |
| 22:54.33 | bef0rd | ZogG_laptop: just finished my work, not sure what to do now |
| 22:54.34 | bef0rd | :P |
| 22:54.56 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: i know what |
| 22:55.02 | bef0rd | :Q |
| 22:55.04 | ZogG_laptop | maybe you finaly would install funtoo? |
| 22:55.40 | bef0rd | Ubuntu works great on my thinkpad |
| 22:55.41 | bef0rd | :P |
| 22:55.44 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: do you remember BCMM ? |
| 22:55.53 | ZogG_laptop | what htinkpad do you have btw? |
| 22:56.00 | ZogG_laptop | ubuntu? really? |
| 22:56.02 | ZogG_laptop | i hate you |
| 22:56.04 | ZogG_laptop | ! |
| 22:56.05 | bef0rd | T420 |
| 22:56.07 | ZogG_laptop | >_< |
| 22:56.37 | bef0rd | yea, I 'm thinking about doing Ubuntu QML components development |
| 22:57.00 | ZogG_laptop | no!!! |
| 22:57.13 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: have you seen panda components from reffyy ? |
| 22:57.30 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: btw it would be nie to have this on mwkn |
| 22:57.44 | bef0rd | oh yea, I saw a video, look nice and he seems to be targeting N9 and N900 too |
| 22:58.29 | ZogG_laptop | it's n9, bb10 |
| 22:58.39 | ZogG_laptop | not sure about n900 or jolla |
| 22:58.50 | bef0rd | the video descriptions mentions fremantle |
| 22:59.47 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: https://gitorious.org/panda-qml |
| 22:59.49 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG_laptop, nope. |
| 23:00.03 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 23:00.24 | GeneralAntilles | Link for MWkN? |
| 23:01.08 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: just a sec |
| 23:01.08 | bef0rd | youtu.be/RimrQGLnElM?a |
| 23:01.18 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: is that it? |
| 23:01.22 | bef0rd | yea |
| 23:01.29 | ZogG_laptop | then ^ |
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| 23:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
| 23:08.02 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: https://twitter.com/Reffyyyy/status/350019936363610112 |
| 23:08.05 | ZogG_laptop | this is original tweet |
| 23:08.14 | ZogG_laptop | for references |
| 23:08.49 | ZogG_laptop | btw i liked his preview of metro ui with qml :) |
| 23:09.06 | ZogG_laptop | bef0rd: have you seen it as well? it's old one |
| 23:12.23 | bef0rd | yea, I checked his old videos |
| 23:12.25 | ZogG_laptop | GeneralAntilles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnzkviO-aXQ |
| 23:12.32 | bef0rd | qml is very powerfull, yet simple |
| 23:12.46 | ZogG_laptop | he is good |
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