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| 18:12.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | SpeedEvil: finally rtlsdr works rather OKish for me, on my linux PC |
| 18:13.17 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 18:13.56 | SpeedEvil | is depressingly stalled on fun stuff. been struggling to maintain house and garden. |
| 18:14.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | eeew |
| 18:14.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | get one of those 10$ rtl28xx usb sticks, it's worth it |
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| 18:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and over at ##rtlsdr you can chat with users who use those sticks as well as gnu radio and *this*: http://www.sbrac.org |
| 18:18.08 | teleshoes | anyone have any ideas about the best way to set a user passwd after flashing without human intervention? |
| 18:19.13 | teleshoes | goal is to be able to get ssh access without having to manually boot, devmode, reboot, terminal, devel-su, passwd user |
| 18:20.23 | teleshoes | i could automate installing a bootloader and stick a pubkey in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 18:21.09 | teleshoes | or perhaps theres something i could do to a kernel that would let me get access to bootstrap automatic installations |
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| 19:07.27 | teleshoes | {answer to what i want is obvious in retrospect, flash, load ubiboot kernel, get maintenance console, mount mmcblk0p2, stick pubkey} |
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| 20:02.43 | Jonni | teleshoes: you can just do one simple deb pacakge with your authorized_keys and add required depencies to that pull in ssh and devmode in one go, that way you can just flash, boot to massstorage, drop in the deb package and click it on ui. |
| 20:03.37 | teleshoes | well, after ive got auth-keys in there, i can just automate doing everything from ssh |
| 20:03.51 | teleshoes | the problem was just chicken-and-egg |
| 20:04.14 | Jonni | that is if you want it to work in secure mode. For openmode you can script the whole thing, to flash, ramload kernel which autoexports drives to your linux which drops in ssh-keys |
| 20:04.14 | teleshoes | and now i can have my phone completely restored, soup to nuts, without ever touching it |
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| 20:04.41 | teleshoes | yup, thx, the latter is what i decided to do |
| 20:06.17 | Jonni | or you can flash the device, and point the device over nfc tag which downloads you a custom deb pacakge that installs ssh keys and ssh. |
| 20:06.43 | teleshoes | heh, another clever soln |
| 20:06.49 | teleshoes | not quite as automatic as id like, tho |
| 20:07.07 | Jonni | personally I made me a nfc tag which just installs all capa opensh to my device after refhash |
| 20:07.41 | teleshoes | i run openmode so i dont worry bout refhashlist too much |
| 20:08.09 | teleshoes | in general, i hate doing things with the phones builtin ui when i can just run it from my laptop |
| 20:08.15 | Jonni | well refhashlist is still in play even on openmode, so you should worry about it |
| 20:08.27 | teleshoes | yea, not none at all, just not as much |
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| 20:36.25 | a5t3r15m0 | hi people, is the default mail app of harmattan an opensource app? |
| 20:36.30 | teleshoes | no |
| 20:36.35 | teleshoes | its called fenix |
| 20:36.37 | teleshoes | and its horrid |
| 20:36.46 | teleshoes | AND theres nothing better |
| 20:37.25 | a5t3r15m0 | nothing better than that email app? |
| 20:37.42 | teleshoes | there are some reasonable email apps |
| 20:37.47 | teleshoes | but no fully functional ones |
| 20:39.02 | a5t3r15m0 | but opensource? im not interested in sharong |
| 20:39.20 | teleshoes | sharong? |
| 20:39.29 | a5t3r15m0 | sharing all my mail passwords with the nsa |
| 20:39.34 | teleshoes | oh sharing |
| 20:39.43 | a5t3r15m0 | sorry, im on the phone rigth now |
| 20:39.46 | teleshoes | no worries |
| 20:39.56 | teleshoes | i thought sharong was an email app i hadnt heard of ;) |
| 20:40.18 | teleshoes | there are tons of solns, none are especially viable |
| 20:40.29 | teleshoes | if usability is a top priority, youre stuck with fenix |
| 20:40.36 | teleshoes | theres another up-and-coming qt mail program |
| 20:40.39 | teleshoes | whats it called |
| 20:40.40 | teleshoes | err |
| 20:40.46 | teleshoes | starts with a t |
| 20:40.55 | teleshoes | troy something! |
| 20:40.57 | teleshoes | trojita |
| 20:40.58 | teleshoes | thats it |
| 20:41.05 | a5t3r15m0 | i had the hope that at least one email app with the avail of the opensource community |
| 20:41.12 | teleshoes | youd think, right?! |
| 20:41.18 | a5t3r15m0 | err and trojita |
| 20:41.23 | teleshoes | heh |
| 20:41.46 | a5t3r15m0 | trojita hangs up with my 30k message inbox |
| 20:41.58 | teleshoes | mm |
| 20:42.08 | teleshoes | like i said, theres absolutely nothing good |
| 20:42.20 | teleshoes | fenix also hangs with huge inboxes |
| 20:42.24 | teleshoes | and it cant search |
| 20:42.36 | teleshoes | cant edit text in replies |
| 20:42.45 | teleshoes | copy paste is buggy |
| 20:42.50 | teleshoes | highlighting text is weird- |
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| 20:43.04 | teleshoes | when you touch it, itstarts highlighting |
| 20:43.07 | teleshoes | and you cant move the cursor |
| 20:43.25 | a5t3r15m0 | yeah |
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| 20:43.36 | teleshoes | i wonder if anyone got claws working |
| 20:43.45 | a5t3r15m0 | i use that app for my work account and thats fine |
| 20:43.52 | teleshoes | claws? |
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| 20:44.05 | a5t3r15m0 | that account is already monitored |
| 20:44.14 | teleshoes | what? |
| 20:44.18 | a5t3r15m0 | by my empoloyers |
| 20:44.20 | a5t3r15m0 | so |
| 20:44.23 | teleshoes | ah |
| 20:44.26 | teleshoes | so no need to be paranoid |
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| 20:44.29 | teleshoes | its already hopeless |
| 20:44.46 | a5t3r15m0 | but my personal account |
| 20:44.53 | a5t3r15m0 | i use pgp and stuff |
| 20:45.01 | teleshoes | cool deal |
| 20:45.12 | teleshoes | BUT youre probably outta luck on the n9 |
| 20:46.00 | teleshoes | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83229 |
| 20:46.48 | a5t3r15m0 | is there any other os that can be installed on the n9? |
| 20:46.52 | teleshoes | yes tons |
| 20:47.02 | a5t3r15m0 | i mean, its a great phone |
| 20:47.27 | a5t3r15m0 | which ones |
| 20:47.47 | teleshoes | probably the most useful are mer and android |
| 20:48.20 | teleshoes | specifically nemo |
| 20:48.31 | a5t3r15m0 | mer? |
| 20:48.52 | teleshoes | mer is the successor to meego |
| 20:49.07 | a5t3r15m0 | is there any mail app that supports pgp? |
| 20:49.08 | teleshoes | harmattan is, er, a fork of an early version of meego |
| 20:49.25 | teleshoes | no idea, but android will almost certainly have one |
| 20:50.07 | teleshoes | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90646 |
| 20:50.09 | a5t3r15m0 | but i read about a dual boot with android |
| 20:50.11 | teleshoes | ive never done this and know nothing about it |
| 20:50.17 | a5t3r15m0 | not a clean install |
| 20:50.23 | teleshoes | but yea, you can dual boot with android |
| 20:50.26 | teleshoes | what? |
| 20:50.32 | teleshoes | what do you mean 'a clean install'? |
| 20:51.03 | a5t3r15m0 | wipe up meego amd install something else |
| 20:51.03 | teleshoes | didnt you just ask if there was another OS you could dual boot? |
| 20:51.19 | teleshoes | sure, you could do that instead of dual booting if you wanted to |
| 20:51.36 | teleshoes | you can {probably} configure your bootloader to do anything you like |
| 20:52.02 | teleshoes | {i imagine your main concern is not having to push a button at boot} |
| 20:52.18 | a5t3r15m0 | but still have meego in it |
| 20:52.48 | teleshoes | you can almost certainly erase it, but im confused as to why |
| 20:53.09 | teleshoes | why do you care if meego is still on it? |
| 20:54.07 | a5t3r15m0 | i have a finite disk space and no sd card |
| 20:54.11 | teleshoes | ahhh |
| 20:54.11 | teleshoes | yes |
| 20:54.13 | teleshoes | that makes sense |
| 20:54.18 | a5t3r15m0 | only 16gb |
| 20:54.21 | teleshoes | ugh |
| 20:54.47 | teleshoes | you can definitely nuke things if you really wanna |
| 20:54.53 | teleshoes | BUT i dont think youll find a full, satisfying user experience on android |
| 20:55.33 | teleshoes | probably the best thing you can do until a good solution comes around is to use webmail through qmlmozbrowser |
| 20:55.55 | teleshoes | if you have a webmail client thats open enough for you to trust |
| 20:56.07 | a5t3r15m0 | yeah |
| 20:56.49 | teleshoes | its also possible theres a soln i havent heard of |
| 20:57.00 | teleshoes | but ive been looking for an email client for awhile now |
| 20:57.16 | teleshoes | have you tried a bleeding edge trojita? |
| 20:57.20 | teleshoes | they work on it constantly |
| 20:57.41 | teleshoes | i dunno if they even support pgp, or if they have recent harmattan builds |
| 20:59.12 | a5t3r15m0 | i dunno either |
| 21:00.00 | teleshoes | looks like no, and no |
| 21:00.12 | teleshoes | im gonna built it and see if its suitable for my purposes, anyway |
| 21:00.21 | teleshoes | last time i used it, it was absolutely not |
| 21:00.32 | teleshoes | but that was 15 months ago |
| 21:01.52 | a5t3r15m0 | ok |
| 21:05.47 | teleshoes | "opening a mailbox with tens of thousands of messages is something which Trojitá is very good at" |
| 21:05.51 | teleshoes | from their homepage |
| 21:06.00 | teleshoes | dunno whether this is a good sign or bad |
| 21:08.11 | a5t3r15m0 | trojita open the mailbox but cannot open |
| 21:08.15 | a5t3r15m0 | the messages |
| 21:08.24 | teleshoes | yea, no pgp |
| 21:08.51 | teleshoes | pgp seems to be vaguely planned |
| 21:09.24 | teleshoes | also, id like to point out that you can use a chroot debian app |
| 21:09.29 | teleshoes | like thunderbird |
| 21:09.33 | teleshoes | but it will be slow |
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| 21:16.03 | a5t3r15m0 | i tried that but itvis unuseable |
| 21:16.09 | a5t3r15m0 | its impossible |
| 21:16.10 | teleshoes | mmhmm |
| 21:16.14 | teleshoes | i agree |
| 21:16.33 | teleshoes | maybe you could find a really lightweight mail program for debian |
| 21:16.42 | a5t3r15m0 | you need a keyboard and mouse |
| 21:16.53 | teleshoes | and try that out? |
| 21:16.53 | teleshoes | nono |
| 21:16.54 | teleshoes | vkb works these days |
| 21:17.08 | teleshoes | theres a whole thing about how to set it up and plug it in and stuff |
| 21:17.21 | a5t3r15m0 | no debian app is designed for touch operation |
| 21:17.33 | teleshoes | thats certainly true, |
| 21:17.43 | teleshoes | but you could get by in a pinch |
| 21:17.50 | teleshoes | its not actually impossible, it just sucks hard |
| 21:18.12 | a5t3r15m0 | vkb is completely un iuseable |
| 21:18.12 | teleshoes | theres a translucent virtual keyboard that works in easy debian these days |
| 21:18.16 | teleshoes | eh |
| 21:18.27 | teleshoes | i agree, for the most part |
| 21:19.26 | a5t3r15m0 | that keyboard with transparency does not poups up in lots of text filling boxes |
| 21:19.40 | teleshoes | also true |
| 21:19.53 | teleshoes | but if you were trapped in a military bunker |
| 21:19.56 | teleshoes | and the nukes were gonna fire |
| 21:20.01 | a5t3r15m0 | so it is no iseful |
| 21:20.02 | teleshoes | unless you could open the enemy spreadsheet |
| 21:20.09 | teleshoes | and all you had was openoffice on the n9 |
| 21:20.13 | teleshoes | you could do it |
| 21:20.39 | a5t3r15m0 | hajja |
| 21:20.46 | a5t3r15m0 | haha |
| 21:20.48 | a5t3r15m0 | yeah |
| 21:21.02 | teleshoes | i dont think there is a single acceptable mail client |
| 21:21.12 | teleshoes | one more avenue to explore tho- |
| 21:21.18 | teleshoes | there is a native gtk port thats quite old |
| 21:21.28 | teleshoes | by martink |
| 21:21.42 | teleshoes | you might be able to hack another client to compile |
| 21:21.52 | teleshoes | but it would be a serious pita |
| 21:22.06 | teleshoes | if you actually DO that, let me know! |
| 21:22.32 | a5t3r15m0 | sure |
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