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| 11:28.47 | FatPhil | anyone familiar with the n950 bootloader. Where does the mtd partition info in the kernel cmdline come from? I have no mention of a moslo partition, yet apparently others do have in theirs |
| 11:30.09 | Aard | it's stored in the cal area. n950s (the ones handed out as developer devices) should have a moslo partition, older prototypes and n9s don't have one |
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| 11:37.30 | FatPhil | yeah, this is a dodgy device with a broken screen from a friend of a friend who knew I wanted to do some poking around |
| 11:38.54 | FatPhil | And dicking about with CAL is a rather risky operation. Has someone worked out what's where, and perhaps even created safe tools to mess with it? |
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| 11:47.16 | Aard | not that I'm aware of. and I'm not even sure if you can write all areas without rnd certificates present |
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| 15:08.48 | FatPhil | Aard: interesting. You've pointed me towards this: https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/utils/calvaria/files/src/calvaria.c |
| 15:11.09 | FatPhil | I'm wondering what mechanism "your CAL areas a permanently locked while in open mode" takes? |
| 15:13.07 | Aard | Jonni might know something there |
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| 15:41.15 | pa | does anybody know whether there is some newer build of firefox for our beloved? or still 14 is the latest? |
| 15:54.30 | Morpog_PC | meffox is based on 21 iirc |
| 15:54.38 | Morpog_PC | meefox |
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| 15:58.49 | pa | ah thanks§! |
| 15:59.08 | pa | but.. i assume it does not have the official features such as mozilla sync, does it? |
| 16:00.31 | Morpog_PC | no sync support in meefox, the code is there, just no API and UI that uses it |
| 16:00.37 | pa | ah okay |
| 16:00.38 | pa | thanks |
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| 17:26.57 | FatPhil | No R&D cerificate on this device, but writing to the CAL area works: |
| 17:26.57 | FatPhil | # dd if=dev_mtd1_c of=/dev/mtd1 bs=32768 |
| 17:26.58 | FatPhil | 12+0 records in |
| 17:26.58 | FatPhil | 12+0 records out |
| 17:26.58 | FatPhil | 393216 bytes (384.0KB) copied, 0.036468 seconds, 10.3MB/s |
| 17:28.06 | FatPhil | So there's nothing physically preventing it. Gonna try a downgrade of software, and make sure that fails... |
| 17:29.58 | ab | did you check that the content is the same as in dev_mtd1_c ? |
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| 17:36.04 | FatPhil | ab: indeed - the contents are not the same, so the write is not performed, and without the kernel reporting an error |
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| 19:27.51 | Jonni | FatPhil: yes on secure mode writing to cal area works, but be carefull as editing wrong places will permabrick the device. In openmode bootloader order cal area of the flash to be ro. |
| 19:30.49 | FatPhil | Jonni: what's "secure mode" in this context? |
| 19:31.24 | FatPhil | Not so worried about permabricking this one, as it's a junker from a skip with a broken screen |
| 19:31.45 | Jonni | I mean normal mode == secure mode vs custom kernel == openmode |
| 19:32.32 | FatPhil | hmm, my tests using dd, just copying back an old known copy of the whole of the partition, indicated that the write had silently not taken place |
| 19:33.18 | FatPhil | I've now got Nemo/Mer on it, I guess I could try my tests from within that context |
| 19:34.25 | Jonni | well if you have nemo/mer on it, then your in openmode, and that partition is readonly |
| 19:34.34 | Jonni | so dd will not write there |
| 19:34.53 | FatPhil | Do you know how the writes are blocked? |
| 19:35.15 | Jonni | yes bootloader order flash hw to mark that area ro |
| 19:36.03 | FatPhil | So if it can be worked out how the bootloader does that (RE, or put it in emulation?) then perhaps it can be undone? |
| 19:36.05 | Jonni | and only bootloader pa has access to call that API, kernel nor userspace have no way to change it back to rw |
| 19:36.24 | FatPhil | ahhh, those dreaded PAs |
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| 19:37.26 | Jonni | so without access to master signing key your out of luck : |
| 19:37.36 | FatPhil | My original plan was to try to get HArmattan/Alt_OS dual boot |
| 19:37.49 | FatPhil | alas that requires a moslo partition on onenand |
| 19:38.37 | FatPhil | which isn't the config on this device, so I was trying to trace where the partition came from |
| 19:38.40 | Jonni | with ubiboot you dont need to change onenand at all |
| 19:38.57 | Jonni | I have triple boot to nitdroid / harmattan and sailfish on my device |
| 19:39.30 | FatPhil | Yeah, I was told you were doing Sailfish on all kinds of devices |
| 19:40.09 | Jonni | you can just flash ubiboot kernel, and use sfdisk on cli to create as many partitions as you like on your device. |
| 19:40.43 | FatPhil | I'm prepared to experiment with ubiboot, this device is for experimentation more than actual use |
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| 19:53.42 | coderus | Hello!! Any source code for using transfers window in harmattan? |
| 20:05.35 | ab | coderus: https://gitorious.org/meego-sharing-framework/transfer-ui/source/a730089219133e9bb66b9965d5a6e7e2a83ca67e:libtuiclient/examples/tuiexample.cpp |
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| 20:55.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, at least that dialog between FatPhil and Jonni is what I could quote when somebody asks me why N9(50) are completely out of my range of interest |
| 20:55.57 | Aard | DocScrutinizer05: even as somebody who has r&d certificates on his devices -- working on jolla devices is refreshingly painless for a change |
| 20:56.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | I generally don't touch devices where some vendor-installed sw can do things I don't have any control over |
| 20:56.30 | Jonni | I bet that N950 prices will drop below 300e when Sailfish devices start to hit the market. |
| 20:56.59 | Jonni | I still have one extra N950 in unopened box as new. |
| 20:57.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: good to hear |
| 20:58.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang, I'm fighting my alter ego since ~one year at least to finally decide to sell N950, as long as it still cost more than gold |
| 20:59.16 | Aard | DocScrutinizer05: even though parts are annoying -- there's some sentimental attachement to those devices for me |
| 20:59.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think I haven't touched it since... 12 months |
| 21:00.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I feel like it's a sort of ... special, and not for sale |
| 21:00.52 | Jonni | my wife and wife's sister are using N950's as daily phone currently |
| 21:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | dang |
| 21:01.11 | Aard | is using a jolla as daily phone currently ;) |
| 21:03.07 | Jonni | Already had to change broken displays there for 3 times :), they usually just drop the devices from 20cm hight |
| 21:03.27 | Jonni | n950's displays were quite fragile |
| 21:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wut? change N950 display? where from you get the spares? |
| 21:04.22 | Jonni | I used to have a pile ;) |
| 21:04.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 21:04.53 | Jonni | I still have one or two left :) |
| 21:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and you don't happen to know any part number we could google for? |
| 21:05.36 | Jonni | they were so customs that there is no part numbers anywhere. Thats a dead hardware. |
| 21:05.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 21:06.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | LCD manufs are awesome regarding custom made built to specs low volumes |
| 21:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | you wouldn't think you actually can get such low batch volumes |
| 21:07.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | some start for a few 100s |
| 21:07.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | units |
| 21:07.45 | azeem | my N9 half-died the other day (no longer works with wall chargers, only charging via notebook/usb-hub), so now I have to see whether it'll last till Jollas are around for a good price or I might have to get an Android |
| 21:08.08 | azeem | currently sending back the second Nexus 4 as the N9 seems to keep living for a bit longer |
| 21:08.23 | Aard | hey azeem :) |
| 21:08.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh apropos N9, any of you insiders knows where from Nokia got that 1GB RAM POP chip? |
| 21:08.30 | azeem | Aard: heya! |
| 21:08.58 | Aard | pretty small world :) |
| 21:09.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually "apropos N9 and custom made" |
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| 21:09.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | 1GB RAM POP doesn't even "exist", according to aunt google, Samsung, Hynix et al |
| 21:10.24 | azeem | what's a POP chip? |
| 21:10.32 | azeem | doesn't the N9 have 1GB RAM anywa? |
| 21:10.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | Package On Package |
| 21:10.35 | azeem | anyway* |
| 21:10.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | piggyback chip on top of CPU |
| 21:11.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, that's exactly the point: N9 has |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | has a non-existent chip |
| 21:12.07 | Aard | azeem: what's "a good price" for you? |
| 21:12.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | I already pondered to buy used or broken N9s just to recover the POP chips |
| 21:13.33 | Jonni | samsung was happy to provide those :) |
| 21:13.43 | azeem | Aard: so far I bought my N900 and N9 on ebay, though I admit the 400 EUR which have been speculated aren't bad |
| 21:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hah |
| 21:14.08 | Aard | azeem: 'speculated'? we gave that number on our webpage :) |
| 21:14.11 | azeem | but the Nexus 4 I am returning was 250 EUR due to the sale |
| 21:14.57 | azeem | Aard: on the part where it says "scroll down"? |
| 21:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I have to actually disassemble my N9 finally. Instead of relying on the PCB photos in the schematics |
| 21:15.15 | Aard | I personally can't stand the android ui at all. I'd rather go back to a classic palm treo than go for an android phone |
| 21:15.26 | Aard | azeem: sorry for that, we engineers didn't do the webpage :p |
| 21:15.38 | azeem | Aard: ok, now I found out you have to use cursor keys |
| 21:15.52 | azeem | anyway, I didn't see it on the webpage so wasn't sure it was official |
| 21:16.01 | azeem | I actually like my Nexus 7 tablet |
| 21:16.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jonni: or do you maybe even know the part number? |
| 21:16.09 | Aard | in the presales campaign we said 399 |
| 21:16.30 | azeem | what really bugs me is how I have to check Facebook, Twitter, G+ etc. seperately |
| 21:17.52 | Aard | navigation in the os and in apps in android is annoying (and parts are now getting annoying on n9 as well, after using jolla as main phone) |
| 21:18.02 | azeem | heh |
| 21:18.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | Jonni: would save me from the tedious disassembly of my N9 to chack the *actual* writing on that POP chip, since the one in schamtics doesn't look like Samsung |
| 21:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | check, even |
| 21:19.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | and schematics |
| 21:19.36 | Jonni | I think that I have one disassembled N9 in work, so I can check on monday |
| 21:19.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | with an actual part number I *might* be able to find soare parts in HK |
| 21:20.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) great! |
| 21:20.58 | Jonni | there are also some devices with non-Samsung memory, but only few of those were sold to consumers |
| 21:21.29 | Jonni | so there were 2 different memory supliers |
| 21:21.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: but one of them been used for the photo in Nokia's schematics |
| 21:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that one has a manuf logo I never seen and wasn't even able to find out who it is |
| 21:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/09/21/plasma-desktopiS3743.png |
| 21:23.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | (e1) whatever |
| 21:24.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the part number is completely unknown |
| 21:24.45 | Jonni | DocScrutinizer05: It was Numonyx |
| 21:24.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mhm |
| 21:24.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 21:27.18 | Jonni | Micron bought Numonyx, so nowadays its Micron. |
| 21:30.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | HAH, and micron doesn't offer *any* 1GB RAM POP |
| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | custom build? |
| 21:31.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | like e.g LP5523 been |
| 21:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | dinner time o/ |
| 22:52.40 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: isn't samsung the /other/ supplier of OneNANDs? |
| 23:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 23:30.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | samsung, microsemi, micron, elpide, hynix |
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| 23:32.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | none of them lists >512MB LPDDR RAM (+NAND) cbp 168p POP |
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| 23:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | possibly since you need 3 chips for 2*RAM + 1*NAND when you want to go >512MB, the addr space of OMAP3 is limited to 512MB RAM but with 2 independant ChipSelect |
| 23:35.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess when you want 1GB RAM you need to use 2 banks aka dies |
| 23:35.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 23:39.15 | juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, if it's custom made you just won't find it anywhere. |
| 23:39.42 | juiceme | might be custom made with 2 dies, or a special die never released anywhere :) |
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